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00:07What's up, everyone?

00:07Happy Friday, at least as we sit here and record it.

00:10Maybe you're catching it over the weekend or the show in obviously

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00:18Whichever the case, we thank you for being here, listening, watching.

00:21However, you are consuming the content.

00:23Adam Kaufman, Evan Valente.

00:25We are joined by Brian Barrett host the ringers off the pike podcast and

00:30great to have Brian back here with us.

00:32We didn't even realize it.

00:34Like, I mean, we've done each other's shows and talking to have the other

00:37day.

00:38Who should we have?

00:38Honestly, man, it's been a while from Barrett and my holy crap.

00:41It has been months.

00:42I think since Barrett has joined us.

00:44So while we sit and we wait for the Red Sox to sign one Soto, let's talk

00:49a little bit about no, not going to happen.

00:51Heads are shaking.

00:52Let's talk a little bit about no, no, better than that.

00:58How you doing, Barrett?

00:59What's up?

01:00I'm doing well, fellas.

01:02You know, we all three of us know that Juan Soto is not going to play for

01:06the Red Sox.

01:06I think we all know this.

01:07We can.

01:08Didn't you see that video of him dancing at the wedding or whatever it

01:10was with Pedro Martinez and Jason Veritech?

01:13I mean, if it bread wasn't broken there, I don't know when it will be

01:18better chance Soto to the Sox or John Henry buys the Celtics.

01:22Soto to the Sox.

01:26Soto.

01:26Yeah, I think so.

01:29That's not what I expected that one to go.

01:31I thought it was going to be like Soto to the Sox or Patriots to make

01:35the playoffs, something like that.

01:37Yeah, I don't think anybody wants John Henry to buy the Celtics at this

01:41particular juncture, but the Juan Soto thing, I can't get myself excited

01:46for it, even though they had a three-hour meeting, which I'm thinking

01:49to myself, why do they need to meet for three meetings?

01:52Or for three hours?

01:53What are they talking about for three hours?

01:55Like, hey, this is how we this is how we do not to cut you off.

01:59But I was reading an article and and in there it said that they met

02:02for three hours, but they never discussed money.

02:04So like I want to start with money if I'm Soto.

02:08All right, like let's not waste each other's time.

02:11What are you thinking?

02:12Here's what I'm thinking.

02:13Let's see if this is even realistic.

02:16Yeah, you know, what's hilarious about this whole thing is they

02:19stopped negotiating with Mookie at 300 million and whether you

02:24believe Mookie just never wanted to be here and he wanted to leave.

02:26I mean, people have that perception, but the point being is they

02:29stopped at 300, right?

02:31So Mookie is making around 30 million dollars per season.

02:34These guys, it's unbelievable how poorly they read the market.

02:37Juan Soto wants to deal until he's 39.

02:40It's going to start at 40 million.

02:41Like that's the low.

02:42Like there's a chance he gets 50 million dollars, right?

02:45Aaron Judge has already signed for 40 million dollars on that long-term

02:49extension.

02:50So actually, if you think about it, I know this sounds crazy to say

02:52for a guy that's making 365 mil, but for a guy that most of the time

02:57plays as a top five player in the sport, as long as he's healthy, Mookie

03:00is going to be drastically underpaid once Soto gets his money.

03:04And of course, Judge already got it.

03:07Yeah.

03:07I mean, look, we talk about that in the NBA all the time, you know,

03:10whenever someone gets a big fat new deal when Jalen Brown, you know,

03:14a year ago was the highest paid player in the NBA.

03:18And we had to have the whole conversation again about it's not

03:20about the dollars.

03:21It's about percentage of cap and yada, yada, yada with the TV deals.

03:25And as the money goes up, you're going to look back in a few years

03:27and you're going to say that he's on a bargain contract or like

03:30Peyton Pritchard.

03:31He's on a bargain call that and it's but it's true.

03:34The money only goes up.

03:35The money is never going down.

03:37That's that's not the way this works.

03:38And so yeah, at a certain point in time and we're far enough removed

03:42from someone like a Mookie Beth signing that new contract a handful

03:45of years ago now that you can look at it that way.

03:48It's it's depressing but you know, you can't help but be happy for

03:54him obviously because he probably even had he signed with Boston

03:58stuck around, you know, wouldn't have a couple more World Series

04:00championships in his back pocket.

04:02So, you know, I obviously he chose right but look, it's a basketball

04:06show for people that have either fast-forwarded or already already

04:10turned things off.

04:11Let's let's talk about the Celtics.

04:13The fourth best team in the NBA record wise.

04:16I am giving them that slander that treatment because that's what

04:19happens when you dick around with the Atlanta Hawks and lose a game

04:24that you were favored by like 1516 points going in.

04:28I mean, they've three losses on the year.

04:29You want to lose to the Pacers and overtime?

04:32Okay.

04:32I mean should have won that game but it happens, you know, fall to

04:35the Warriors.

04:36Look Steph was out of his mind and and Golden State is is to be

04:40taken seriously at least at this moment.

04:42We'll see about down the line.

04:44You don't lose that game to the Hawks.

04:46That was irritating.

04:47It was just it was just irritating.

04:49Now.

04:49I know ab does, you know, wants to lie.

04:51I'm not going to bitch about it for the, you know, duration like

04:54you want to though.

04:55I mean might as well get off your chest off.

04:56I want to because it was well, I want to because it cost me money

05:00but putting that aside it it just I want to see.

05:06I don't want to see the playing with the food like you're going

05:08to lose games and you're going to you know, you're going to

05:11you're going to fall it like regular most regular season games

05:15at this stage.

05:16I understand the big picture of it all don't really matter.

05:20It all adds up over time.

05:21You're going to get your seating whatever it is.

05:23They don't care for the number one.

05:24I don't care if they're the number one seed like I don't need

05:27them to win every game and I realize it wasn't a blowout.

05:30They only lost by, you know, one point which credit to me go

05:35For you know, for being a true Celtics employee, but you know

05:39coming on after and doing he mentioned that in terms of the NBA

05:44Cup, like if you're going to lose point differentials important.

05:48They only lost by one yet fine, and I don't care about the winning

05:52the NBA Cup.

05:53That is not important to me at all.

05:55It's like it doesn't even begin to register to me.

05:58I don't even care about the NBA Cup let alone which games are

06:01NBA Cup games and which ones are not.

06:04I just want to see them so like don't look stale, you know from

06:08the jump and have to play catch-up or conversely have a big lead

06:12and then, you know, sort of take your foot off the gas and get

06:16complacent down the stretch and all of a sudden when you have

06:18to snap back into action and take things seriously again, it's

06:22sort of too late.

06:23Yes.

06:23That was a winnable game.

06:24They had an opportunity at the buzzer and they didn't do it,

06:26but it was it was just an irritating loss.

06:29They bounce back.

06:30They demolished the nets.

06:31I'm not worried about Boston or anything like that just to be

06:34perfectly clear to anyone out there watching or listening.

06:37There are just certain games that as you're watching them are

06:40a little aggravating and I think as I am within the right, I

06:43know you do your whole social media thing.

06:45I don't want to hear people complaining about singular games

06:47and but look singular games are going to be annoying.

06:51Yeah, but I alone here Barrett do you feel that way when you're

06:54watching these things?

06:55You're often doing postgame shows.

06:57Well for me, I gave myself 24 hours to kind of be upset about

07:01that game because it was crazy to me.

07:03Joe Missoula always talks about the margins, right?

07:06And the Celtics got outshot by 25 field goal attempts in that

07:09game. It's very difficult to win.

07:11So they gave up 20 offensive rebounds, which Houston is first

07:14in the league at 15.3.

07:16It's almost five more points in the paint 68 Memphis is number

07:19one in 60.3 and turnovers 20 Utah averages the most in the

07:24league.

07:24They're just under 19.

07:26So they were the worst turnover team basically in that game

07:29worst in terms of giving offensive rebounds and worse in

07:31points in the paint yet.

07:33They still had a chance to win at the end of the game and all

07:36these things happened, right?

07:37When you think about the fact that Dyson Daniels has that

07:40shot that he misses and Okonkwo puts it back in to give them

07:43the lead drew holiday throws the ball into Tatum Tatum can't

07:46make the catch.

07:47You have a turnover in that particular situation even before

07:50that Jalen Johnson late in the game loses his shoe yet still

07:54gets his own offensive rebound kicks it out to Larry Nance

07:57who somehow at every three that he took in that particular

08:00game.

08:01So I was upset just because all these things were happening

08:03and they couldn't figure it out.

08:04Just hate one stop right defensively or let's not turn it

08:08over this time or let's not have an offensive rebound and

08:12you win that game, right?

08:13So that was the aggravated part.

08:15I also think that this team that Atlanta team is more difficult

08:18to play without Trey young because there isn't the Celtics

08:21are so good at mismatch hunting.

08:22There wasn't that guy like Tyson Daniels is an awesome defender

08:25like he's got a chance to be in the conversation for defensive

08:27player the area had six deals.

08:29He leads the NBA in sales per game.

08:31But the thing that I look at is how do you respond?

08:34Right?

08:34So like I said, obviously as somebody that wants to see this

08:37team win, I'm aggravated after the game but against the next

08:40those same numbers offensive rebounds.

08:42The Nets had three the Pacers are last at 8.2 points in the

08:45paint. The Nets in that game at 40.

08:48The Celtics are actually less than the NBA 40.8 turnovers.

08:52They gave up.

08:53They had only a UK OKC is first at 11.8.

08:57So basically everything they did wrong the previous night.

09:01They realized like we didn't respect our opponent Peyton

09:04Pritchard.

09:04I love the fact that he like took responsibility for it

09:07saying I need to bring the energy.

09:09So you're going to have these losses throughout the course

09:12of an NBA season.

09:13My whole theory now with it because we've seen what they

09:16can ultimately do win a championship.

09:18I'm only giving myself 24 hours to get upset about one loss

09:22in less.

09:23It's like now we see this trend throughout the season where

09:26it's like, hey, they've lost three or four games like what's

09:28going on with the Celtics at that point.

09:30Maybe I'll be more concerned, but I love the bounce back

09:33against Brooklyn.

09:34And that's the important part.

09:35The important part is they came back and they righted the

09:38ship and they did not going to miss a beat.

09:40And this is why it kills me when people overreact to one

09:44loss and we did it last year and it drove me crazy and it

09:49was a mixture of oh nothing in the regular season matters.

09:52But like when they lose a game, it's like the end of the

09:55world.

09:55Okay, this year.

09:57I'm not allowing people to do this because last year I think

10:00everybody got lost in the you know, they haven't proven it

10:04yet.

10:05So none of this stuff matters and we lost in the on all of

10:07that conversation and it's I've been trying to do a hammer

10:10home between the end of last season the offseason and now

10:14this season.

10:15We just did not acknowledge how historically great that team

10:18was last year until it was done and I am not allowing people

10:21to do that this year.

10:22This is a this I like Barrett's rule, but you get 24 hours.

10:27I gave myself like 12 minutes was like, yeah, you know all

10:31the turnovers really bugged me the offensive rebounding.

10:35I think I had a bigger issue with because that sometimes like

10:38an effort thing and that was it.

10:41I was like you had the next day you had people on our own

10:43network off and saying they have a championship hangover.

10:46Are they like are they just rolling through the season and

10:49I'm like, what are we talking about?

10:50You had people on run, you know, sports talk radio, which

10:53is this is their job.

10:55It works of being like, you know, the Celtics, you know, again,

10:58they have the hangover.

10:59Are they just sleepwalking through the season?

11:01I'm like they lost a game.

11:02They're going to lose probably 19 more of these.

11:05It's going to be okay.

11:07All that matters is the health of the team in the process

11:11of by which they go and do things and the process is mostly

11:16fine. And again having the Nets the next night a good team

11:20like the Nets are good.

11:21That's are fun to watch.

11:22They definitely know who they are.

11:23They right of the ship.

11:24They're great.

11:25Jason Jalen.

11:26Everybody looks awesome.

11:27So I'm not allowing people I will not allow this people to

11:34overreact to one game sample sizes when just like stuff

11:39happens like you're going to like credit the the Hawks for

11:44ramping up their defense Dyson Daniels who I believe had three

11:49straight games of six deals or more, which is pretty awesome.

11:53Like he's been a kind of a game wrecker.

11:55They do done real give credit to the Hawks.

11:58They had a great plan.

11:59Also understand in a seven game series.

12:02They would get smoked.

12:04This team would kill them.

12:06But hey, like also and this is like kind of Joe Missoula

12:09SP.

12:09Like hey, like take the time and say like, oh, this is a way

12:13other teams might try and beat us later in the season.

12:16Let's make sure we have an answer for that.

12:17Next time.

12:18We see a defensive coverage like this like and you have to

12:22take it as that was an opportunity for a team to show us

12:25where we're weak and opportunity for us to make some changes

12:28before like games really actually matter here.

12:30So I am not Kaufman.

12:32I'm not letting you hijack this episode trying to you know,

12:35this is the sky is falling because the team loss of one

12:38falling.

12:38I never said the sky is falling.

12:40Although I do like what Barrett brought up about Peyton

12:42Pritchard because while I certainly do not like it is

12:45laughable.

12:46I don't hold Peyton Pritchard accountable for you know,

12:50a one-point loss.

12:51He's like your sixth most important player or whatever it

12:55is. So that's fine.

12:57But in fairness, he did have a crappy game and it's very

13:00rare that Pritchard has a crappy game.

13:03And I mean he shot two for eight all from three obviously

13:06and he only had six points that was sandwiched in between

13:08games that he had 23 18 20 60 like he is a consistent scoring

13:14presence.

13:15He's averaging 16 points a game off the bench.

13:18And so it does highlight that, you know, look they've lost

13:21a couple of games when Pritchard's been just fine like

13:23they, you know, he had 16 against the Warriors on 5 and

13:2613 shooting.

13:27They lost that game.

13:28He had, you know, 16 points similarly against the Pacers

13:32and that overtime loss.

13:34So it's you're certainly not looking at Peyton Pritchard's

13:36direction when you lose that game, but there is a part of

13:39me and again, don't hold him responsible.

13:41But there's a part of me since Barrett brought it up that

13:44does say man Pritchard makes one more bucket you in that

13:47game like it wasn't uncharacteristically bad game for for

13:50Peyton Pritchard where you know, like these games were normal

13:53for him last year, you know, it was it was a little more

13:56abnormal that he had 16 18 20 points.

13:58That's kind of the norm at this point.

14:00They're there.

14:01He is the leader of that second unit and scoring at a productive

14:05consistent clip.

14:06And so when he has that that blip on the radar of only six

14:09eight points or whatever it may be Boston is sort of in a

14:13situation where oh, okay.

14:14Well, they might win in spite of it and you know, they've

14:17got enough weapons, but maybe that is kind of a difference

14:20making thing just something to pay attention to maybe going

14:23forward. But the other thing the whole championship hangover

14:25thing there are just certain.

14:30Phrases in sports for lack of a better way of putting it.

14:33I don't know about you guys, but I just fundamentally disagree

14:36with like in the NFL.

14:37You probably talk about this all the time Barrett on your

14:39show. Look ahead spots like the you know, the Chiefs aren't

14:44taking the Broncos seriously because they got the bills next.

14:48I don't believe in look ahead spots.

14:49A lot of people out there do I think it's dumb.

14:52You're like you play 17 games in the regular season.

14:54I think you're taking all your opponents seriously, you know

14:57and in the NBA or whatever the sport I don't believe in a

15:01championship hangover.

15:03I certainly don't believe in a championship hangover for a

15:05team that we spent the entire offseason talking about all

15:07the different new things that are going to be motivating

15:10them, you know between the Olympic snubs are not getting

15:13this MVP or that all NBA or that whatever it like it's it's

15:17dumb like either a team and this team this does not apply

15:21just to be perfectly clear about that.

15:22This team, you know, is the fourth best record percentage-wise

15:25in the NBA is off to what a nine and three start this team

15:28is good.

15:29It's great.

15:29It's going to continue to be great.

15:31But if a team comes in and limping into the next season off

15:34a championship, maybe you've made some changes to your

15:37roster or maybe somebody is hurt or maybe you just suck but

15:42I don't think that all of a sudden like they're they offseason

15:47wasn't long enough championship hangover like it's stupid.

15:50It doesn't mean you're automatically going to win a championship

15:53the next year.

15:54It's very difficult to go back to back and have that sustained

15:57run for all of those months and the extra two months in the

15:59postseason and it's incredibly impressive when teams put

16:02those runs together like the aforementioned Chiefs chasing

16:05a third straight championship, but let's like I think if we

16:09could put while we're putting things aside of if we could cast

16:12aside the the notion of a championship hangover Barrett, that

16:16would be wonderful.

16:18Yeah.

16:18Well, I would just say this is look across the league right

16:21now, right?

16:21There is what four or five teams that came out of the gates

16:24where they're ready to go.

16:25Okay sees rolling and they're now dealing with this Chet

16:29injury.

16:30The Cavaliers have been awesome to start the season and Golden

16:33State has sort of been a surprise.

16:34They've been really good.

16:35Look at the Knicks.

16:36They've been a dumpster fire as great as Carl Anthony Towns

16:38is from an offensive perspective.

16:41He's just as bad defensively.

16:42The numbers with him on the court are terrible in the ninth

16:45percentile and he by the numbers is the worst rim protector

16:47in the NBA.

16:49The Philadelphia 76ers have a real situation with what's going

16:52on with Joel Embiid.

16:53Look at Minnesota, right?

16:54A team that just made it to the conference finals.

16:57They just dropped back to back games to Portland and look

16:59at the Dallas Mavericks.

17:01I mean the Dallas Mavericks have not been good to start

17:03the season either.

17:04So I think when you look at this Celtics team in particular,

17:07you mentioned Pritchard.

17:09This is a guy that is averaging more points per game than

17:12the player that the Knicks gave up five first-round picks

17:15for in McHale Bridges.

17:17Okay.

17:17So when I look at this team, we see improvement across the

17:20board. Pritchard is better than he was last year.

17:22Look at Tatum.

17:23Tatum is the only guy in the NBA right now that is in the

17:26top five and free throw attempts and made threes per game.

17:30You look at Derek White and Peyton Pritchard.

17:32There's five players in the league that are taking nine threes

17:34per game and hitting 40% of them.

17:36So two of the five are on the Celtics and Peyton Pritchard

17:39and Derek White. Jaylen Brown, number three in the NBA in

17:42transition points per game.

17:43And how about this?

17:44He is up to eight free throws per game and I know he missed

17:48some critical ones.

17:49He took 4.3 last year.

17:51This is Celtics team that is now in the top 10 in free throws

17:55per game compared to the bottom 10 that they were last year

17:58and they're actually their whole idea of shooting more threes.

18:02It's on a totally different level.

18:03I mean, you look at the attempts.

18:05They're 50.4.

18:06Charlotte's second and 44.9.

18:08It's more than a five attempt gap.

18:10The makes 18.8.

18:12The Warriors are 16.1.

18:14I was talking about this on my pod with Michael Pina the other

18:17day. 244 made threes.

18:20So 732 points, if my math is correct, and their opponents

18:23hit 163, 489.

18:25So we're 11 games in and they've outscored their opponents by

18:28243 points from the three-point line.

18:31This is like historically unbelievable stuff in a league.

18:35Pina made a great point.

18:36Like everybody's now taking threes.

18:38Everybody's trying to take threes and they're still taking

18:39way more for threes than everybody else.

18:41So I've been encouraged by what we've seen from the team.

18:44We've seen improvement from Tatum.

18:45He's much more efficient than he was last year.

18:47We've seen improvement from Jaylen.

18:49Derek White has a legitimate bonafide all-star case.

18:52Not just like, hey, look at the advanced metrics.

18:54Look at the on-off numbers.

18:55Like he's averaging 20 points a game on ridiculous efficiency,

18:58right? Peyton Pritchard plus 6,000 to win six men of the year

19:01before the season.

19:03Now he's the favorite.

19:04My only concern really quite frankly with this team besides

19:06health because of course at some point they're going to get

19:08the Unicorn back who hasn't played a game for this team.

19:11My only concern is like Al at times looks a little bit slower.

19:16I mean the numbers with him on the court defense lane at the

19:19rim have not been good.

19:19That's my only like little concern because we saw what happened,

19:23how good he was in the postseason.

19:24But I truly believe that Al will be able to dial it up when

19:27it's necessary.

19:28I mean, and this is all with Hauser finally hit three threes

19:31in a game because he was dealing with an injury.

19:32He did that against Brooklyn.

19:33So I think if anything this team is not hung over at all from

19:38the championship.

19:38I think they're ready to go.

19:40And I quite frankly think this is a better version of the team

19:42we saw last year.

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21:29Let's get back to the show.

21:32Yeah, we don't really know that until KP comes back when you

21:35see this Death Star that's fully operational and we got a little

21:39bit of an update today during some of the press conference

21:43stuff that they've had so far today.

21:46I believe Missoula said today, this is it comes from everybody,

21:51but I'll read Bobby Manning's just because it's just right

21:53in front of me.

21:54Well, Chris Epperson is in advance to some on court work and

21:57involvement in practice.

21:58Joe Missoula said quote from Missoula some reads versus the

22:01coaches some up and down work some five on zero and versus

22:04the coaches.

22:05He's getting there.

22:06So again, I like the fact that yeah, Austin is not putting

22:12a timetable on this.

22:13It's just like he'll be back when he's fully ready to go.

22:15You're seeing a lot of people, you know, just mentioned this

22:19the on-court stuff like before the game.

22:21I think Forsberg was talking about, you know, KP's on-court

22:25workout prior to the Nets game.

22:27And you know, the fact that he traveled them was a little

22:28bit different and a little unusual.

22:30He's been traveling in road games.

22:32I think the fact that Brooklyn is just super close to Boston.

22:35I think probably helps but like that and that's going to be

22:37the really fun part.

22:39Cuz bear and I agree with you.

22:40I think this team in certain areas has stepped up, you know,

22:44you look at and I've been trying to find some ways to highlight

22:49this but I will have to probably put this for like a Twitter

22:52thing later where I, you know detail what I'm looking at, but

22:56I feel like both the Jays have leveled up not just like a little

23:01bit but like considerably and it's more about their shot

23:03profile and how they're shooting.

23:05Like you mentioned Jalen shooting eight free throws a game.

23:08Why is that?

23:08Well, he's absolutely killing matches right now in the post

23:12and in the mid-range area.

23:13This is one of the things that Kaufman you and I talked about

23:16with Brandon Anderson about how like the difference between

23:20McHale British and Jalen Brown is Jalen feasts in an area.

23:23That's usually not common anymore.

23:26He's one of the best mid-range shooters in the league and

23:29he's turned into an absolute low post monster.

23:32And I think that's a credit to working with TMAC and also

23:36working with Sam Cassell and some other things Tatum shot clearly

23:40looks way better this year.

23:41And if as I said last year, if Tatum shoots slightly better

23:46from three-point range, he's probably like hovering around 30

23:49points a game and he's right on that MVP conversation.

23:53Not only that the offense runs smoother with him.

23:56You've seen many times throughout the season scowl Andrew mentioned

24:01whenever Jalen or Jason gets doubled that you're it's just not

24:05a it's not a winning formula because the way that they move

24:07the ball now, I everybody has leveled up a little bit and that's

24:11a testament to like Missoula and everybody in the coaching

24:13staff, you know, getting these guys to come back and work even

24:16harder and then you're going to you're going to throw this

24:18Porzingis thing into it where I don't know if you guys remember

24:21bear.

24:21I know you might Kaufman.

24:22I know you do KP and Jalen were awesome together last year.

24:27It was a revelation.

24:28Like I feel like unlocked Jalen a little bit and so to have

24:33a new Jalen ish to come back to like I'm all smiles.

24:38And again, just like you said Kaufman take your time.

24:41There's no rush here.

24:43Things are going to be fine because the the bigs have sorted

24:47themselves out, you know, little Cornette here a little K to

24:50their little Horford here.

24:51Take your time big guy.

24:53This is going to be I mean if they're already breaking the

24:56mold right now, like with the way they they shoot when

24:59Porzingis comes back people are going to be even angry.

25:03They are now it's going to be great.

25:04I'm loving every second of it.

25:08Yeah, I'm excited for him to come back.

25:10I think they obviously need them in a series against like

25:14say Cleveland in the postseason just because Cleveland's been

25:17so good to start the year.

25:20The one thing that I think when I think about Porzingis right

25:22now, I think they actually miss him more in defense.

25:24Like you look at the rim numbers.

25:25This is cleaning the glass 67.1% opponents are shooting 20th

25:30and last season that was 63.6% which was fifth now.

25:34It is interesting with Kata on the floor.

25:36Those numbers have actually been outstanding Kata on the floor

25:4064.4% which is 4.7 percentage points better than when he's

25:45off the court.

25:46That's in the 79th percentile Kata though does make a lot

25:49of mistakes.

25:49Like the other game where he followed Cam Thomas at half

25:53court.

25:53I'm like, what's the upside here?

25:56And then like two points later, he makes this unbelievable

25:58chase down block.

25:59So I think he's been certainly fun to watch but you mentioned

26:03Jalen and just his ability to sort of like get into that

26:06mid-range game.

26:06Imagine what that's going to be like when Porzingis comes

26:08back because they were playing like Al Horford.

26:11There's a different respect level with Al's three-pointer

26:14compared to Kristoff's Porzingis and Kata is a roller and he's

26:17actually been really good with Tatum. Tatum's always played

26:20well with an athletic big.

26:21You think back to Robert Williams, but obviously when Cornette

26:24plays, Cornette is not a shooter.

26:25He's a roller and then Tillman has just been exiled.

26:29I mean, they thought like maybe he could shoot.

26:31It's crazy.

26:32Like Kata's just jumped all these guys.

26:33So when they get Porzingis back, this is like the luxury of

26:36having this team.

26:37The comparison I always make to him and I'm not saying they're

26:41the same quality of player.

26:42Gronk is the greatest tight end of all time, arguably.

26:45Porzingis is not like the greatest center of all time, but

26:48I always feel like, hey, the Celtics just proved they could

26:50win a championship without Porzingis.

26:51Now, maybe that changes this year with some other teams being

26:55healthy too, but I feel like when they have Porzingis, I don't

26:58think anybody has a chance against them in a seven-game

27:01series because he just unlocks something that nobody else on

27:04this team can.

27:04And I will say this, Tatum right now is leading the NBA in

27:07isolation points per game and they're using them in a very

27:10similar way to remember last year.

27:12Porzingis was the most efficient post player in the league

27:15because Porzingis wasn't posting up like Joel Indy.

27:18He was posting up short guys.

27:19He could just shoot over.

27:20This is why Tatum's isolation numbers are so good right now.

27:23He can go by a like-sized player, obviously, but how many

27:26times do we see inverted pick and roll with Derek White and

27:29Jason Tatum?

27:29Tatum's like, oh, I got a small guy on me.

27:31I'm just going to bully this guy and get to the basket or he

27:33gets, he's much better.

27:34This is one area.

27:35I think Tatum's much better this year.

27:37He's so much better going by big guys.

27:39It always used to be, let me get to my step back.

27:41He still does that and he's obviously shooting better, but

27:43he's so good getting downhill against the big guys.

27:46So I do think that's something that's sort of switched where

27:48they're like, okay, we can sort of have the same impact that

27:51Porzingis had against smaller players with Tatum and mismatches

27:54and the Celtics are the best team in the league right now

27:56going at mismatches as we saw in the finals.

27:58Like, I mean, Luka got abused.

28:01While we're talking about Tatum and you mentioned obviously

28:03the free throw opportunities ballooning for Jalen Brown, Tatum

28:07is also right now at a career-high attempts per game, 8.9

28:13and that is more than two more than last year.

28:18Last year was at 6.7.

28:19So it's a whole extra trip to the free throw line per game

28:23with the nine attempts basically.

28:25Now, excuse me.

28:26The percentage has taken a step back.

28:28He was at 83% and changed last year down from 85% a couple

28:33of years before that and 87% going back a handful of years.

28:3681% right now, very early on, plenty of time obviously to

28:41lift that up.

28:42Numbers jump all over the place.

28:45Why does he take the Ts?

28:46Is this just a superstar thing?

28:48That's exactly where I wanted to go.

28:50Sorry.

28:51No, I'm glad you brought it up.

28:53So part of the reason that the percentage is what it is

28:56is because the man just keeps missing technical foul shots.

28:58He's out there on the floor.

29:00Someone's got to take it.

29:02You know, Joe Mazula was asked about it, said, I have nothing

29:05to do with it.

29:06The players decide who's on the floor, who goes and takes

29:08the shot.

29:09And this is where, this is truly, it may not sound like

29:12I'm leading into it this way.

29:14This is an appreciation of Jason Tatum.

29:16This is a golf clap on maturity, ego, whatever else, that

29:21the other day, he said to Peyton Pritchard after he missed

29:24one, you do it.

29:26You go take it.

29:27I love that.

29:28I absolutely love that.

29:30That's not me saying like, Jason, you keep missing these

29:33things.

29:33Please stop taking them.

29:34I mean, maybe depends on who's on the floor, but him

29:38recognizing that he's in a little bit of a ride.

29:41He's got the the yips when nobody's around him shooting

29:44free throws.

29:44I don't know what it is.

29:46I don't know why he's missing these shots.

29:47It's not like he's a bad free throw shooter, but Peyton is

29:51borderline automatic and for him to, you know, like I, I

29:55don't know.

29:56I can't sit here and say like, oh, would LeBron ever do that?

29:59Because I have no idea if LeBron has ever done that, but

30:01I'll look at LeBron and think of him as someone that would

30:04do that or many of these other guys that are the stars of

30:07the league that, you know, could justify handing it off

30:11like you go take it.

30:12And so I just, I appreciate, again, I think there's, I think

30:15there's a maturity aspect to this that, that should not go

30:21unnoticed or, or, you know, undiscussed that Tatum's, Tatum's

30:27just saying, you know, like Peyton, you, you go handle this,

30:30go, go get us the free point.

30:31Because honestly, some of those in, in, in the past week have

30:36been a little detrimental, you know, they, they've almost

30:38been momentum shifting in, in missing these technical

30:41opportunities.

30:42Hell, the overtime the other day, the, they started with

30:46a technical free throw and he missed it, you know, so like

30:49these, again, I'm, I'm rambling, but Barron, I just, I like

30:53the fact that Tatum is recognizing for whatever reason, mentally,

30:57this is an area of weakness for him right now and he doesn't

30:59have to do it.

31:02Yeah.

31:02Well, I would also say like that sort of goes to his personality

31:05and you can do Derek White too.

31:06Derek White is like never, I don't think he's ever missed

31:08a clutch shot in his life.

31:09So I don't think he's going to miss the fact that technical

31:11free throw.

31:12He's been like a 90% guy for the past two seasons, but that

31:15sort of Tatum's game, right?

31:16Where it's like, you mentioned the technical foul thing, but

31:20think about how often he screens and besides like big guy

31:24superstars, not a lot of wings and guards like Steph Curry

31:28does it.

31:29That's why he's one of the greatest, not the reason, but

31:31part of it, like he's a very unselfish superstar, right?

31:33Like he doesn't care if he's running around and because

31:36two guys chase him, somebody else gets an easy opportunity

31:38at the rim. Tatum's similar in a different way.

31:41Like this guy screens all the time and we think back to the

31:45NBA finals, even though he wasn't shooting the ball.

31:47Well, it didn't distract him from doing the other things,

31:50right?

31:51I mean, how many guys right now in the NBA could play point

31:56guard on offense because that's what he had to do.

31:58He had to be the playmaker so they could bring out the big.

32:01So in that series against Dallas, he had a game where he

32:04had the most drives in the history of his career.

32:06He's been in the NBA for a long time now and in the finals,

32:09he did this right, which is not his game.

32:11He's not really a high drive guy.

32:12He's a very efficient drive guy when he does it, but that's

32:15not ordinarily what he does.

32:18So he's playing point guard and then he's guarding the other

32:20team center.

32:21Like it's one of the most underrated parts of their championship

32:24is because you had this guy because you have this wing that

32:27can guard centers.

32:28I'm not saying every center obviously can't guard Jokic, but

32:31that type of center, like a rim roller, like Gafford and

32:33Lively, it took away the Mavericks best play and prime LeBron,

32:39like he could certainly do it, but who in the NBA right

32:43now could do that?

32:43Giannis won't guard anybody's best player.

32:45That's like not in his DNA.

32:46He doesn't do it that way.

32:47He's better as like a health defender.

32:49I mean, I don't even know if Kawhi can do it because he doesn't

32:52have like really the same height that Tatum has.

32:54I don't know if there's one guy in the NBA that can do what

32:56Tatum did in the finals.

32:58And I think sort of Tatum's versatility as a player, like he's

33:02a much better playmaker as a sister up.

33:04He's one of the best rebounding players in the entire league

33:07for his position.

33:08Like he's probably the best rebounder as a forward in the

33:10entire league right now.

33:11He now can shoot threes better.

33:13He can get to the free throw line.

33:14He like there's really, and he's an elite defensive player.

33:17There's really no holes in his game.

33:19When you look at the other best players in the league, like

33:22Jokic is on a different level right now.

33:23Like he is just carrying that team and he's not the detriment

33:27on defense that people thought.

33:28But like take Luka, we just saw it in the finals, right?

33:30Luka's not a guy that he has a real weakness that can be

33:34exposed.

33:34It's not last night or what I should say Thursday night as

33:38he literally fell asleep and let Jordan Clarkson throw a

33:42pass back door to lose the game.

33:43The final set.

33:46Yeah, I know.

33:47I like even Yanis can't shoot.

33:51You know what I mean?

33:51Like he would legitimately can't shoot.

33:54Okay, so like that that's the concern.

33:56Look at Yanis like the past couple years to like his health

33:58record is not the best.

34:00By the way, I not to go on a digression.

34:02Although I think I just went in a digression.

34:04It's like that thing with Jalen.

34:06I mean that was embarrassing.

34:08Oh, the the childish thing where he called it.

34:10That was embarrassing.

34:11Which aspect of it Yanis's behavior Jalen calling him a child

34:15and get ripped by, you know, not ripped but poked at by Nike

34:19and then Jalen answer it like which part of it is embarrassing.

34:23I thought the Yanis part was the most embarrassing because

34:26okay, you elbowed the guy and like I was okay that happens,

34:30right?

34:30It's it's a basketball game, but either ignore Jalen don't go

34:35up to him or actually shake his hand.

34:37Like I think any of those other things would have been better

34:39than his decision.

34:40Like that was like when you say child that like literally is

34:43a childish thing.

34:44That's like coffee.

34:46I know you have kids like children will do.

34:48Yeah, people do kids do that to each other.

34:50Right?

34:50Like it literally what like Jalen.

34:52I thought explained it perfectly that it was childish.

34:54Jalen's like I don't have any time for this right now.

34:56Like that was yeah, it was a basketball game.

34:59You think?

35:00Yeah.

35:01All right.

35:01We'll take a quick break.

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36:39I will say one of my favorite trends and I'm curious bear how

36:43you feel about this as we've you know, there were 13 games

36:46into this thing and things trends are starting to take, you

36:49know, take shape and take hold and you know shape narratives

36:52throughout the year and one of my favorite things so far because

36:55it's kind of an opposite to what we've been used to with these

36:58two guys.

36:59Normally, it's Jalen Brown starting hot and coming out of

37:03the gates and Jalen kind of like waiting back and kind of

37:05bringing taking what the game brings him kind of a little

37:08LeBron asked right LeBron used to that, you know with past

37:11playoff teams where he would he wouldn't be like totally

37:14involved.

37:15He'd let everybody else get involved in when came the game

37:17started to pick up a little bit and it started to be, you know,

37:20closer to the end of the game.

37:21LeBron would start to insert his dominance a little bit.

37:23But what I like now and bear I'm curious where you're at with

37:26this is I think we all know Jason Tatum leads the NBA in

37:29first quarter points.

37:31One of the things I think a lot of us have noticed is Jason

37:33plays the entire first quarter and then sits to start the

37:37second comes back in usually around like six minutes.

37:40I want to say like six minutes to go in the first half.

37:46I like this.

37:46I actually really enjoy like aggressive Tatum coming out

37:50asserting himself like getting this team moving and then you

37:54know, taking a backseat a little bit until things need to

37:57be, you know, taking care of I think he's done a better job

38:00in the third and fourth like reading when to get aggressive

38:03when he should really like, oh, hey, like we're not playing

38:06well right now.

38:07We're coming out of the half.

38:08Like we need to start fast and let me get this team moving

38:10whether he's like, you know, it's, you know, it's initiating

38:12the offense are actually scoring.

38:14How do we feel gentlemen?

38:16I'll start with Barrett about Tatum playing the entire first

38:19quarter, but in a stark contrast to what these guys normally

38:23did saying like, let me be the guy that starts this thing

38:26and Jalen, why don't you like pick off pick up where I leave

38:28off? Yeah, it's a great point because Jalen obviously has

38:33been frequently up there in the top 10 and first quarter

38:35scoring. I actually love it and I wonder who deserves the

38:39credit for it.

38:39If it's Joe Missoula himself, if it's somebody else in the

38:42coaching staff that suggested this because Tatum last year

38:45as we were mentioning, he did so much playmaking in the playoffs

38:49right and had to basically play point guard and I think about

38:52it this way.

38:53It's like, hey, this is our best player.

38:55We want him to show you who he is early, right?

38:57So he's going to be attacking from the beginning of the game

39:01and I feel like that also gets Tatum going because Jalen is

39:04always going to be aggressive getting downhill.

39:06And when Jalen goes off the court at the end of the first

39:09quarter there, we started in the Brooklyn game Tatum.

39:11It was three straight drives to the basket, got to the free

39:13throw line a couple of times and just a couple of other times

39:15hits him.

39:15He had a crazy shot around.

39:17I forget who the defender was on the nets, but it was one of

39:19their big guys, but I think it was Claxton actually.

39:22But I feel like he's way more aggressive this year than he's

39:25been in previous years.

39:26And when you already have that first quarter that Tatum has

39:29where he's what he's over 11 points per game.

39:31I think in the first quarter at this point.

39:32Yeah, 11.3 and you're like, okay in the third quarter.

39:35I don't have to be like, okay.

39:37This is the time I have to go get going.

39:38He's just like I'm already there.

39:40Like I'm already at that point.

39:41So I thought it was a genius move.

39:42I was surprised because I'm like Jalen has been like the tone

39:45center for so long for this team.

39:47I actually love it that Tatum is the guy doing it.

39:50Yeah, we got so used to the first quarter Jalen shoutouts anytime

39:56we were watching a game and and look it still pops up from time

39:59to time.

39:59We've seen a couple of vintage first quarter Jalen performances

40:02so far this year, but I'm in line with you guys.

40:04I like that.

40:05They're just, you know, right now big picture or big picture

40:08show.

40:09I think they're just sort of in an experimentation phase a little

40:12bit, you know, all right, we know what we're capable of.

40:15We know what we did last year.

40:16We got to the promised land.

40:18People are still in the organization collecting their rings what

40:21feels like on a daily basis right now.

40:23Let's see what we can do a little bit differently before we have

40:28Porzingis and who knows if the guy is going to make it through

40:30the year healthy anyway, and what different looks we can throw

40:33at certain situations.

40:34And so this one is different.

40:36It's, you know, it's a look outside the box, you know, compared

40:39to the way they did it last year and I it's clearly worked out,

40:43you know, it's it's as long as everybody is on board, you know,

40:47keep rolling with it.

40:48Keep doing what you're doing.

40:49I know that we are, you know, relatively tight on time.

40:51So I want to mix in a couple more things, including a big game

40:56seemingly that the Celtics have on the way.

40:58It'll be big regardless but could be particularly big because the

41:02Cleveland Cavaliers are the only unbeaten remaining in the NBA

41:06right now.

41:07They are 13 and O atop the Eastern Conference with a game as we

41:11sit here later on tonight.

41:13I do think it's a game.

41:14They could lose.

41:15I don't think they will but I think this is at least one that

41:19I am entertaining as a possible loss for Cleveland and that is

41:23the Chicago Bulls, but it's in Cleveland probably won't be a

41:25problem.

41:26I don't think Donovan Mitchell will allow it to be a problem

41:28quite frankly.

41:29So in all likelihood they do win and then provided they get past

41:32that I'm not in the least bit worried about the Charlotte

41:35Hornets in their next game.

41:36And so we could be looking at the 15 and O Cleveland Cavaliers

41:41playing host to the Celtics on Tuesday night, which I bring up

41:45this game because it's before, you know, we'll be recording

41:49next and so I'm just curious, you know one if you think the

41:53Celtics knock off the if they're still undefeated Cleveland

41:56Cavaliers or independent of what their record is if Boston wins

41:59that game, but also what you make of what you've seen so far

42:03of the Cavs and exactly how seriously we should be taking

42:07them because you know, the Bucks the Sixers they are a disaster

42:13and honestly, I don't think they're going to climb out of it.

42:15I don't I'm not saying both are going to miss the playoffs, but

42:17even if they squeak in play in tournament playoffs, whatever

42:21it is.

42:21I don't think they're going to do anything when they get there.

42:23So I think we need to start to kind of reassess who the actual

42:27threats in the Eastern Conference are I said coming into the

42:30year the New York Knicks right now.

42:32They're a middling team.

42:33They're below 500.

42:34It's not quite working the way they want it to but it's early,

42:39you know that stuff can take time didn't take time for the

42:41Celtics last year when they brought in their new pieces, but

42:44for most teams when they do bring in new assets, it does take

42:46time look at the Timberwolves who bear brought up before.

42:49So what are you thinking of Cleveland and and just the East

42:53in general?

42:55So for me, I do think Cleveland is the best team besides the

42:59Celtics and kind of an obvious statement based on the fact

43:02that when we're recording this they're undefeated.

43:04But the Knicks they have real issues defensively that we went

43:07through and I would also say I don't think Mitchell Robinson

43:10is securing those issues because how often is he going to be

43:13on the court and Carl Anthony Towns in Minnesota.

43:16They were the reason they traded for go bear is because he

43:19can't play the five defensively.

43:20We saw the Celtics pick on him on opening night.

43:23So unless something unless Mitchell Robinson is like what

43:26we saw last year from Hartenstein.

43:28I don't think that the Knicks are a threat.

43:30I just can't trust the 76ers right now with the health and

43:33be looked awful in the first game that he played and that

43:37team has a lot of defensive issues and the Bucks are a dumpster

43:39fire right now.

43:40I think it's more likely that Giannis gets traded then they

43:43play in the Eastern Conference finals.

43:45So with the Cavs Kenny Atkinson has done a lot of interesting

43:49things.

43:49One was a like Evan Mobley.

43:51We drafted him second overall.

43:52He's really good.

43:53Let's feature more in the offense rather than be concerned

43:56about him taking threes.

43:57Like let's actually like do things.

43:58He's good at that's certainly how it should work with Mitchell

44:02and Garland.

44:03They played better together.

44:04There's two things though that the reason I don't think that

44:07I think there'd be a difficult series and I think that you

44:10would need Porzingis for this one because he can pull one of

44:12those bigs out like you can't leave Porzingis.

44:15But the one thing I'd say about them a the Celtics two best

44:19players are wings.

44:20I don't know if they have the answers for those guys defensively

44:23like I know mobile is a great defender and an awesome defender

44:26probably be in the conversation for defensive player of the

44:28year.

44:28I don't think you cover one of your wings and the other thing

44:30is this guy's they're shooting.

44:33It's not sustainable.

44:34So five guys in the rotation here shooting north of 40% Lavert

44:38his career 34.3 is at 45 Garland career good shooter 38.7% but

44:44he's almost at 45 Mitchell 36.7%.

44:47He's at 40.7% Jerome 36% not a lot of attempts.

44:52He's at 57.7.

44:54He's been a revelation for them.

44:55I actually think he's a good rotation player.

44:57The biggest one is okoro.

44:58He's at 35.2% for his career 48.5% so with Cleveland.

45:04Yes, it's their offense is much better than it's been and give

45:07Atkinson credit, right?

45:08They do a really good job staggering their two guards and

45:12staggering their two bigs.

45:13I just from the way they're made up.

45:17I don't think they have as great as they are defensively.

45:20I don't think they have the right answers for the Celtics

45:22defensively and I don't trust their shooting.

45:24Like I'm sure Garland is going to shoot over 40% the guy's an

45:27outstanding shooter, but the rest of these guys maybe Mitchell

45:30will the okoros the Laverts of the world.

45:32I just I don't buy into it.

45:35Yeah, I don't know.

45:37Isaac Okoro when he got drafted.

45:39He was not a great shooter as we're about defense and he hasn't

45:41really done anything to really bring the offense along from

45:44a shooting standpoint that so it should be comfortable leaving

45:46him alone and just saying hey if Isaac Okoro is going to beat

45:49us in the corner then so be it.

45:51I'm this could be a fun game.

45:53You know, again, this is a this is a game that I think Boston

45:56will be up for so it should be should be a fun one just in

45:59terms of energy and things.

46:01I think Boston will want to go in there.

46:03There's like there's this thing that happens and I and you can

46:05see with Golden State, especially when they ever anytime they

46:09play a big game.

46:10Steph Curry just still like I'm the I'm the baddest guy here

46:14and we're going to win this game.

46:15Like there's there's a real energy to that and you can feel

46:18it every time you play them.

46:20Well, I look up against the Mavericks the other day.

46:22Yeah, I think this is Boston's opportunity to say hey like

46:25it's cute that you're 13 14 15, you know, or whatever but like

46:30we still run this thing man.

46:31Like let's let's like this isn't anything serious.

46:34I want to see that that like that energy and it's only energy

46:38you get from being a champion.

46:40I think and I think you know, and whenever anytime you see

46:43Denver feels that way Boston.

46:46I think some of these big games has to assert that dominance

46:48and that's my one thing that I still love about Steph Curry.

46:51It's like they could be the worst team in the league.

46:53He's still going to walk on that floor being like you ain't

46:55going to beat me today.

46:56There's no way I just love that that confidence and it only

46:59comes by winning and you know, the Cavs are a great story.

47:02I'm thrilled for Kenny Atkinson.

47:04I was like probably both of you like pissed that he got fired

47:08after it was just not fair like at all whatsoever.

47:11He literally built that team like him and Sean Marks went

47:15through the the really tough lean years to build a program

47:20and like culture.

47:21So I'm pumped that he has an awesome opportunities being

47:24the best out of it.

47:24But I really am curious to see just like the attitude that

47:28Boston plays with because that's the stuff that like is

47:32like is generation defining and if Boston can find a way to

47:35play with that kind of swagger.

47:36I think they I think they certainly play with it opening

47:39ring night played with that kind of like for the champs

47:42like we're going to dust you guys.

47:44I want to see that again.

47:45I don't think that I think they kind of let the go of the

47:46rope a little bit on that.

47:47I want to see him pull it back their way a little bit.

47:50Is that game in Cleveland?

47:52Yeah.

47:53Okay.

47:54Yeah, that'll be fun because that building although I can't

47:57stand the PA and I'm sort of like when he announces when

47:59they hit a shot that so loud.

48:00I don't know why it's so loud when he announces anybody that

48:03scores but obviously these guys have played a lot of big games

48:06in that building right go.

48:07Obviously they played in the playoffs last year but going

48:09back to like maybe when we thought we knew today and was

48:13going to be a star when he dunked on LeBron when LeBron was

48:16still at the Cavalier.

48:17So I'm excited for it too.

48:20Yeah, should be a fun one and be a nice little, you know,

48:25you're cute put you in your place kind of opportunity for

48:28the Boston Celtics as well.

48:29We'll see if it winds up happening.

48:31But Brian Barrett again, he hosts the off the pike podcast

48:34part of the ringer network of podcasts and you know, a certain

48:38noted Celtics fan Bill Simmons.

48:40His boss is working on a nice Celtics documentary a multi-part

48:45that people can go out and read about and looking forward

48:48to checking that out when debuts in 2025 as well Barrett.

48:52What what do people need to know as far as how often your

48:55show drops and where to find you and all that at least three

48:58times a week.

48:59We'll have one up after the Patriots.

49:01Of course this weekend when they try to get another win this

49:05time against the Rams will have James White on after that one

49:07on Sunday and then we'll be back again on Tuesday after the

49:11Cavaliers and the Celtics cannot wait to pot after that one.

49:13Hope I'm happy after that one.

49:15I think I will be yeah.

49:16Otherwise, remember give yourself 12 minutes like I've said

49:19and then it's on to the next thing Brian Barrett from the

49:22ringer Evan Valenti.

49:23I'm Adam Kaufman everyone.

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