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Join the Garden Report crew as they break down the Celtics' NBA Cup matchup against the Chicago Bulls. CLNS Media's John Zannis and Noa Dalzell are joined by Celtics Blog's Jack Simone to analyze Jayson Tatum's standout performance, scoring 35 points and grabbing 14 rebounds to lead the Boston Celtics to a 138-129 victory in Friday night’s NBA Cup pool game. Reserve Payton Pritchard also shined, contributing a season-best 29 points, including an incredible 19 during the fourth quarter.

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00:00:00Can you say hard hats, folks?
00:00:07Hard hats?
00:00:08Lunch pails?
00:00:09Steel tool boots?
00:00:10Anything short of a championship this year is a failure.
00:00:11Look at this boomer right here.
00:00:13You've just got so much talent here.
00:00:16Somebody said we need to apologize for Jalen.
00:00:18Can I pull the John?
00:00:19What are we apologizing for?
00:00:20What did we say?
00:00:21What did we do?
00:00:22What's going on, everybody?
00:00:32John Zanis, Noah Dalzell, and welcoming Jack Simone to the Garden Report postgame show.
00:00:37Nice enough to join us tonight as Bobby, Jimmy, Sherrod are all doing Black Friday things,
00:00:45whatever those things are.
00:00:46But they're not here to cover what was a wildly entertaining but ultimately meaningless
00:00:54game it turns out, or it appears, between the Celtics and the Bulls.
00:00:58Celtics win 138 to 129 to defeat the Bulls and go to 3-1 in group play and then have
00:01:09to wait for stuff to happen that probably isn't going to happen.
00:01:12We don't want to get too deep into it, but it sounds like it's virtually impossible
00:01:16for the Celtics to get in as a wild card due to point differential.
00:01:19I think they trail not only Orlando, but also Detroit in point differential at the moment,
00:01:25which is crazy.
00:01:26And for those people who don't fully understand how the cup works, I'm one of them, but I'm
00:01:30going to fumble my way through it.
00:01:34Three teams are going to advance and one wild card.
00:01:37It's the best of the rest and the Celtics right now, chances are, are not going to be
00:01:41the best of the rest and get that wild card slot unless some really weird shit happens.
00:01:46So it was fun.
00:01:48Second year in a row, Bobby's not going to Vegas.
00:01:50I'm sorry, Bobby, wherever you are, we're not sending you to Vegas to not watch the
00:01:55Celtics compete in the NBA Cup Finals.
00:01:58But let's just get into this game tonight.
00:02:01I guess, can you blame them for it being one of those, we'll show up in the fourth quarter
00:02:07sort of games when it really probably wasn't going to result in anything?
00:02:13They must have kind of known the scenarios heading into tonight.
00:02:16Would you imagine?
00:02:17Yeah, I mean, I think the same thing was last year where they needed to win by an obscene
00:02:22amount.
00:02:23That Bulls team was a lot worse.
00:02:24They were in a horrific stretch last year.
00:02:26So I remember before the game, we were all like, if there's a team that might actually
00:02:29lose by 25 preemptively, like this Chicago team is it, this team's been okay.
00:02:34But once they lost that early first quarter double-digit lead, it was looking like, okay,
00:02:39that's out of reach now.
00:02:40So it's really just about pulling off the win, minus the last possession of the, just
00:02:45the ridiculous, like with one second left, Sam Hauser three-pointer, which I'm still
00:02:48not quite sure.
00:02:49I got to hear from Billy Don.
00:02:52I really wish, I wish the Celtics broadcast had the wherewithal to just have a Billy Don
00:02:57of an ISO cam from the moment Joe Mizzoula called that timeout all the way to that Hauser
00:03:04bucket.
00:03:05I did see a lot.
00:03:06I did see on the replay Lonzo like this.
00:03:08You see Sam Hauser's face.
00:03:11No, but I'm saying like, are you effing kidding me?
00:03:14Like this, because we've talked about the point differential thing, Noah, and like how
00:03:18it's just kind of icky, you know?
00:03:22But Joe, I swear, is straight trolling Donovan by calling that timeout and he did it again.
00:03:28And I'm sure he's going to be completely unapologetic about it, which is great.
00:03:32I'm just really curious what Donovan's reaction is there, because that was hilarious.
00:03:36I'm very excited for those quotes because I can already imagine what I can do an impression,
00:03:41right?
00:03:42He's going to be like, no, it's point differential.
00:03:44I want to do in the cup.
00:03:45I'm ready for the cup.
00:03:46I was like, we're still in it.
00:03:47We're not going to be out of it until we're out of it.
00:03:51What a crazy final play.
00:03:52It did feel like they got blitzed a little bit by the Bulls.
00:03:56And so then they just reverted to, all right, let's just win, like whatever.
00:03:59We'll try to get the cup.
00:04:00I don't know how that sounds to it, but we just need to focus on getting the win.
00:04:04And that was pretty early in the game, too.
00:04:05So I have some scenarios for you.
00:04:08OK, do you want them hot off the presses?
00:04:13Yes, please.
00:04:14I might even share screen just to make it a little bit, a little bit spicier for everybody
00:04:18for effect here, courtesy of our guy, Sean Grandy.
00:04:22And hold on.
00:04:23Let me.
00:04:24He's been all over it with the scenario.
00:04:25I was waiting for Grandy to put it out there.
00:04:27So let me see.
00:04:28Let me let me see.
00:04:30You're cheating.
00:04:31I can't do my own research.
00:04:33And that's fine.
00:04:34I don't feel bad about it.
00:04:35But put it out here, right here.
00:04:37And that's what we're looking at, right?
00:04:40Pistons win big.
00:04:41So comes down to Tuesday for the Celtics.
00:04:44Boston needs Orlando to beat New York outright.
00:04:48That would make them the group winners, I believe, Jack.
00:04:50That's what we were missing, right?
00:04:52They go to 4-0 and be group winners there.
00:04:55So their point differential no longer would matter over the Celtics.
00:04:58That's what I knew.
00:04:59They either win big, win, or get smoked.
00:05:02But they also need Milwaukee to beat Detroit by 6 or Detroit to beat Milwaukee by 7, OK?
00:05:09So it's kind of, it's a weird scenario, but it is plausible.
00:05:12So it's not completely off the board there.
00:05:14That's more realistic than I thought, actually, seeing these scenarios.
00:05:17I read that earlier.
00:05:19It was the Orlando.
00:05:20The Orlando point differential was impossible to overcome, but if they won, it wouldn't
00:05:23have mattered.
00:05:24And I thought that's what I was asking beforehand, Jack, because if Orlando wins, they win the
00:05:28group.
00:05:29And that would be that.
00:05:30So then New York falls down, they'd be out, and you're looking at trying to, I mean, can
00:05:37you believe they've got an out point differential Detroit to get into it?
00:05:40But that's what we're looking at.
00:05:42I mean, Atlanta won the group.
00:05:44What world are we living in?
00:05:45What world are we living in here?
00:05:48I remember when the groups were initially announced.
00:05:50I think they were in Vegas.
00:05:51Is that true, Jack?
00:05:52Were we in Vegas when they-
00:05:53I remember we watched the groups and we were like, wow, the Celtics just had-
00:05:56I remember they divided the groups and we were like, oh, the Celtics group is terrible.
00:05:59Like, this should be a cakewalk.
00:06:01This is not-
00:06:02Atlanta Hawks.
00:06:03Yeah.
00:06:04This doesn't make sense, guys.
00:06:05It's still a regular season game.
00:06:06No one's losing it on purpose.
00:06:08This isn't tanking at the end of the regular season to avoid an opponent.
00:06:15It's the freaking NBA Cup.
00:06:16Nobody's dodging anybody here for the NBA Cup.
00:06:19But yeah, so there is a way.
00:06:23There is a path.
00:06:24There's a path.
00:06:25So it goes to Tuesday.
00:06:26We'll see.
00:06:27We'll see what happens there.
00:06:28So as for the game itself, look, end of the day, we're making fun of Missoula for it.
00:06:33That might be the difference.
00:06:34That point differential, that full screen we just put up there would be ten points and
00:06:38nine points or whatever, you know, and it makes it less realistic.
00:06:43So I mean, yeah, it was a good call and you got to do it.
00:06:48And I do have a postgame comment, I think paraphrased by Jared Weiss down there with
00:06:53one thing that Joe Missoula said he likes about the NBA Cup is that it allows him to
00:06:57throw out all the unwritten rules.
00:06:59Basically, I get to be an asshole and it's OK.
00:07:02And that's great.
00:07:03That's great.
00:07:04It is.
00:07:05Joe, just like I feel like the NBA Cup brings out the purest form of Joe Missoula.
00:07:10And I really love it because I think if it was up to him, he would do this every single
00:07:14game.
00:07:15I think he would run however many players he wanted to run.
00:07:18I think he would he would call timeouts in the last few seconds.
00:07:21I think he would if the Celtics had a bad possession on the second to last play the
00:07:24game in a 30 point blowout and he wanted to fix it, he'd call timeout like I think this
00:07:29allows him to have a reason for what he does without just having to be because I wanted
00:07:34to because I feel like he wants to.
00:07:35And I think it's it's a blessing to have a coach like that who likes to to win at the
00:07:41level he does.
00:07:43And the NBA Cup gives people a chance to actually see it in real time.
00:07:48Also, just now that I'm on Jared's Twitter feed, he also said that Derek Joe Missoula
00:07:53asked Derrick White about his foot and White told him he'll be fine.
00:07:55But Missoula said he doesn't know for sure yet, because I know a lot of people were very
00:07:58concerned about Derrick White not finishing the game, which isn't usual.
00:08:02I don't I don't I can't remember the last time Derrick White had something.
00:08:05Yeah, but that's that's I guess Derrick saying he'll be fine is probably a good sign.
00:08:10Well, I'll say this.
00:08:11The worst people in the world at at at assessing the severity of injuries or players immediately
00:08:18after the game, because that's what they say is they're fine.
00:08:21But again, a foot.
00:08:24There's a lot of things in there that you don't want to mess around with and little
00:08:26small bones and stuff that can go bad.
00:08:29So let's get let's get those tests and everyone can breathe a sigh of relief that Derrick
00:08:34White is back.
00:08:35But you hate to see it because being doubtful is being ruled out right away, you know, pretty
00:08:41much.
00:08:42And that's not great.
00:08:43If it was like, let me see if I can walk this off.
00:08:45He's questionable and he's on the bench and he's still.
00:08:48Trying to do something.
00:08:49It was out immediately.
00:08:50So something was off.
00:08:51So let's just hope it's not a big deal.
00:08:53But again, every player is like, I'll be fine.
00:08:55I'll be fine.
00:08:56Porzingis said he'll be fine.
00:08:58You know, when he hurt himself.
00:09:00You know, I'm not worried.
00:09:02And Joe said he'll be fine.
00:09:04Famously, Joe Mazula.
00:09:05I remember the question was any concern about Porzingis's injury in the finals?
00:09:08He said zero concern.
00:09:09And I learned my lesson that day to never care what anybody says right after the fact.
00:09:15Not to be not to be alarmist about it, but it's like to me, it's I'm until those until
00:09:21you get that clean, you know, that that clean report or the MRI or whatever test they do.
00:09:28I'm always going to hold my breath a little bit there because you don't want to you.
00:09:32We must protect Derek White at all costs and another person you have to.
00:09:36That being said, if you were, you know, heaven forbid to be without Derek White for even
00:09:43a small period of time, does it even matter?
00:09:46Does it matter?
00:09:47It might not matter.
00:09:49Might you even improve?
00:09:50No, but you're OK right now.
00:09:53You're OK because of this guy.
00:09:55And this is classic right now.
00:09:56How many games we had like this where Celtics don't really feel like playing or they're
00:10:02just medium into it, giving a B minus C plus effort.
00:10:05And Peyton Pritchard comes in and he's like, all right, guys, I'll do everything.
00:10:09And he did it again.
00:10:11Like he's saved them from so many mediocre performances this year.
00:10:16This was like otherworldly, though.
00:10:20And it wasn't just the shooting.
00:10:21It was rebounding.
00:10:22It was defense.
00:10:23It was a lot of a lot of things that he was freaking everywhere.
00:10:26He was literally he looked like he was playing a different sport than everybody else.
00:10:30And it also just being just ungodly, unconscious, hot from behind the arc.
00:10:35But he was just that he was moving at a different speed from everybody else who was just kind
00:10:39of like just going through the motions a little bit through the game.
00:10:42Yeah, I mean, it's hard to even put it into words because I feel like people I think there's
00:10:48still like maybe some people that feel like this is a little bit of an insanity run or
00:10:51this is a fluke thing.
00:10:53This is just who he is as a player at this point.
00:10:55And he's shown us all year and last year, too, when he got the opportunity.
00:10:59But it's not just a shooting thing.
00:11:01He got four offensive rebounds.
00:11:02He was playing really good defense all game.
00:11:03He played the entire 12 minutes in the fourth quarter.
00:11:06So like he was able to just go throughout the entire period.
00:11:10And he saved them.
00:11:11He completely saved them.
00:11:12This was not.
00:11:13Yeah, this was not going to happen.
00:11:14I mean, he was on fire.
00:11:15And they were up by three.
00:11:16So it's like those points were critical.
00:11:17And that's been the theme all year.
00:11:20I mean, Noah and I just did a podcast because Sam wasn't there.
00:11:23So she kindly filled in and we went through a bunch of teams like could Peyton Pritchard
00:11:27start for this team.
00:11:28There's a lot of teams that Peyton Pritchard could start for around the league and at the
00:11:32very least, he would be a top six man on any team.
00:11:36It just feels like he has been so ready to play this role for so long.
00:11:40And now that he was given even like an ounce of a chance, he's taking the most of every
00:11:44opportunity.
00:11:45Like he said at a practice, I think last week or a couple of weeks ago that they talked
00:11:48about him taking more responsibilities coming into the season.
00:11:51Joe Mazula said his ability to play on and off the ball has unlocked that.
00:11:54And from that perspective, from like of his offense, like he really can do whatever you
00:12:00need.
00:12:01He can run the show.
00:12:02He can.
00:12:03He can play off the ball.
00:12:04He can come off screens.
00:12:05It's not an easy thing to do.
00:12:06And he's great at it.
00:12:07So just seeing him take over these games is becoming less and less surprising by the day
00:12:10and is just another one today.
00:12:12Yeah, that was a conversation we had at the beginning of the year when we're doing preview
00:12:15related stuff.
00:12:16It's like, who is Peyton Pritchard?
00:12:18Like in reality, you know, is it is it a person who, you know, whose reputation has become
00:12:23mythical and exceeds his actual capabilities based on Celtics fandom, which happens with
00:12:29certain people.
00:12:30You know, you have these guys where you just kind of build them up and, you know, they
00:12:33become legend.
00:12:35But the reality is like they're better for you than they would be elsewhere.
00:12:38Or is Pritchard the other the other guy, the guy that, OK, he's a nice little player for
00:12:44you scoring 10, 11 points per game.
00:12:46But if you put him somewhere else, he's starting or coming off the bench as a sixth man and
00:12:50scoring 17, 18 points a game.
00:12:52It's hard.
00:12:53It was hard to kind of figure who he slots in as.
00:12:57But now he's doing it for you, which is insane to have these types of numbers on a team with
00:13:03this with this reservoir of talent to be able to do it.
00:13:09It's almost funny.
00:13:10It's like today was a day this game.
00:13:13The Celtics got in his way.
00:13:15Like when they checked back in, they're running that unit there.
00:13:18And you've got Hauser.
00:13:19You've got Kata.
00:13:20You've got Pritchard.
00:13:21And it's being run by Jalen out there and Al.
00:13:24And you see around the five thirty mark or wherever it was in the fourth quarter.
00:13:29And Pritchard's already got 19 points at this point.
00:13:31And Tatum and Porzingis and Holiday get up.
00:13:34And the next like three, four or five possessions were garbage because Pritchard didn't have
00:13:38the ball in his hands the whole time.
00:13:40You had Porzingis with a prayer three late in the clock when they couldn't get anything
00:13:44going on offense.
00:13:45Tatum got another one where he's stuck behind the arc with five, six seconds left on the
00:13:50shot clock because they hadn't gotten anything going.
00:13:52They kind of went back to ISO.
00:13:54Let me find my matchup off a switch and go to work.
00:13:57And it took Pritchard out of the game.
00:13:58I'm like, you're literally wasting possessions without the ball in his hands.
00:14:02And that's not hyperbole.
00:14:03That's actually how I felt watching.
00:14:05Like it's a travesty right now that the offense isn't running through this guy, which is again
00:14:10a crazy thing to think we would say and mean on this team at this point in the season.
00:14:18John catch this quote from Joe Mazzullo on Pritchard.
00:14:20He's one of the best three level scorers that I've ever seen.
00:14:24Hot off the press.
00:14:25Courtesy of Al.
00:14:26Wow.
00:14:27Everybody's finally coming around.
00:14:28Even Joe wasn't with me last year.
00:14:30I mean, I tweeted, I tweeted the all-star thing last year.
00:14:33No, like you, you saw everyone's rushing to the front of the line here on this.
00:14:39I was trying to bake Joe so far last year I was like, what is Pritchard sealing?
00:14:43And he was like, I don't know.
00:14:44Just shut up.
00:14:46I was waiting for him to be like, he's a legend.
00:14:48But no, this is, this is what I mean, that's what it feels like when you watch him play.
00:14:52It feels like we're just watching the glimpse of something.
00:14:54That's, that's how I feel.
00:14:56That, that, that, and again, talking about the three level thing, while in the midst
00:15:00of all of these heat check threes, the one play that stands out to me is when he takes
00:15:04Vucevich to the hole, you know, and he sits there and he up fakes him and he bodies him
00:15:09and he, he leans it in there.
00:15:11It's insane.
00:15:12And that's the thing is he does do that.
00:15:13You see him body bigger guys in the paint to get that shot off that we remember, I bought,
00:15:19you know, Bobby and I were talking about this and Jack, I want your take here too.
00:15:22But like, I remember, you know, the early on when you had Pritchard and it's like, and
00:15:27then, you know, he obviously had some offensive juice, but he couldn't, there are certain
00:15:31things he couldn't do.
00:15:32And the Celtics were playing like Jeff Teague and we're like, come on, like give Pritchard
00:15:36a chance.
00:15:37But you would see that when he'd get in there among the trees or get anywhere outside of
00:15:41his comfort zone.
00:15:42If he didn't have a wide open three, he really wasn't an effective scorer.
00:15:45In fact, he'd get blocked most of the time or wouldn't be able to get a clean shot off.
00:15:49This is something he's improved on dramatically, uh, over the years.
00:15:53And I mean, he really is to be able to get in there, get in tight and get that shot off
00:15:58is really unbelievable.
00:15:59Uh, you know, at a level that's like better than some of his, you know, you know, some
00:16:03of the, some of his teammates who you count on to do that on a regular basis who are taller
00:16:08and longer.
00:16:09I mean, you know, and Pritchard's doing it with, with a high level of effectiveness.
00:16:14So again, maybe Joe's exaggerating a tad, but like, I don't think it's crazy.
00:16:18Like he is like, he can step into that midi and it's great if he gets it and he gets somebody
00:16:24and he jab steps him, he'll shoot that free throw jumper.
00:16:27So absolutely.
00:16:28He'll do that.
00:16:29Not, not, not a lot of people can do that.
00:16:31I think you've seen him improve a lot.
00:16:33And I mean, you look at the post move on Vucic and I, I wonder how much drew holiday has
00:16:38helped him.
00:16:39Cause that's something he does constantly.
00:16:40I mean, Joe, Joe has talked about it a million times to this year.
00:16:43Um, Pritchard's on ball pressure, uh, defensively.
00:16:46And I bet that's a little bit of drew and Derek white as well.
00:16:49I think having drew holiday and Derek white has done the opposite of what a lot of people
00:16:53felt it would do.
00:16:54I feel like a lot of people assumed, Oh, maybe they trade Pritchard down the line.
00:16:57Oh, he won't be able to blossom.
00:16:58But in reality, Pritchard is kind of like by this time learning from both of those guys.
00:17:04And now, like you said, John, like I never thought Pritchard would score 15 points a
00:17:07night for this version of the Celtics, but he has turned into, I think you said it on
00:17:11the podcast when we were talking the other day, Noah, he started to like one of the most
00:17:14important players on the team.
00:17:16He is one of the Celtics games, including tonight.
00:17:18So just the, the sort of how he's gone from point a to point B has been wild to watch
00:17:25because two years ago he wasn't even playing and now he is averaging 16 a night.
00:17:29Yeah.
00:17:30I mean, and we've said it on this show, Jack too.
00:17:32It's, it's no longer is, you know, at the beginning of last year, the idea behind the
00:17:36Celtics bench was surviving the bench minutes, you know, get those guys in there, surround
00:17:41them by two or three of the six starters.
00:17:45And you can live with a couple of those guys in there, you know, eating up those bench
00:17:48minutes and get away with Hauser and Pritchard and this and that, you know, and that was
00:17:52kind of the vibe.
00:17:53And even still so much of last season, you had these weird bench numbers, right?
00:17:58Where it was like, well, they had the best plus minus in the league, but they had the
00:18:01lowest point output in the league for, for, for a long stretch of time because they were
00:18:06kind of riding the coattails of other players.
00:18:08Now it's completely different.
00:18:10Like you can't wait for Pritchard to get into games.
00:18:14He's been that spark so many times on kind of these flat, we'll show up eventually nights,
00:18:19you know, of which they've had a few and of which I don't blame them because they're that
00:18:24good.
00:18:25They're going to get bored.
00:18:26And he's, and he just comes in there like this out of his mind.
00:18:29You can't wait.
00:18:30You're like, they're counting on that spark of him coming off the bench.
00:18:33Now he's important and like, you're going to have weird conversations too.
00:18:37We said this when Porzingis comes back, Derek White got hurt and you didn't have to make
00:18:41the call tonight, but tonight would have been extremely interesting.
00:18:44What that closing lineup would be if Derek White didn't get hurt.
00:18:47And I can probably tell you that the holiday would have been on the bench and it would
00:18:51have been White and Pritchard and that's going to happen.
00:18:53And you're back to where you were a couple of years ago when it was smart, white and
00:18:58and Brogdon.
00:19:01And but now you have like, everyone is like, you want to play them all here.
00:19:08But you're going to run into these situations with these guys now that they're fully healthy,
00:19:12where it's like, well, yeah, I can't take Pritchard out of this game.
00:19:16What I love about this, this group though, and particularly Drew Holland and Derek White
00:19:20is that there's no issue with closing with Pradeen Pritchard if that's what the game
00:19:23calls for.
00:19:24And we've already seen it a number of times this year.
00:19:26Or Tata for that matter, which they've done.
00:19:28And so I don't know that I see a world where Tatum or Brown are ever sitting on the bench
00:19:32at the end of games.
00:19:33Like, I'm not sure that that would be pretty surprising to see.
00:19:35But other than that, any combination, I mean, there were games last year where Porzingis
00:19:38didn't close.
00:19:39And so if a game like tonight, he would have played the rest of that game, regardless of
00:19:44who else is out there, because he was just commanding that.
00:19:46And again, it wasn't just the scoring, it was really everything.
00:19:49And it's just it's a luxury, because I feel like the same way that we have these conversations
00:19:53with Porzingis, if he's out, you know, what are your backup bigs look like?
00:19:56The backboard has not been very injury prone, but even just having this conversation by
00:19:59Derek White, like, they have they have a guy who is ready to assume much larger responsibilities
00:20:03and already has this year.
00:20:05And I was worried with Porzingis coming back, because he's still going to get the touches.
00:20:08Because then, you know, even though they're not in the same position, like, there's only
00:20:11so many shots to go around, but I don't think that's going to change because he's just starting
00:20:15to establish himself as one of the best options in a lot of these plays, especially like when
00:20:18a play is broken.
00:20:19I'd rather him have the ball when a play is broken at the end of a shot clock than anybody
00:20:23at this point.
00:20:25That's not an exaggeration.
00:20:27He'll make something out of nothing better.
00:20:28No, I swear.
00:20:29Because, I mean, we've seen it before, like, you know, you've seen it with the other guys.
00:20:34You know, Brown being athletic enough is going to take an exceptionally difficult shot and
00:20:39sometimes make them.
00:20:40But he's he can do that because of his physicality.
00:20:43Tatum, we've seen him, you know, kind of what happens late in those clock scenarios.
00:20:47A lot of those things end up being fairly low percentage.
00:20:49You actually feel pretty good that Pritchett is going to be able to dart around somewhere
00:20:53where he's going to be able to create enough separation to get a decent look in those moments.
00:20:58And again, as Missoula said, you know, from multiple levels, when it ends up in one of
00:21:01those other guys' hands, you're looking at, you know, contested step back with time running
00:21:06out.
00:21:07And that's the best thing that you're going to get in those situations.
00:21:08So yeah, Pritchett is a magician and you really do.
00:21:11I really was getting annoyed, like, get the ball in his hands like it was when those guys
00:21:16came back in.
00:21:17It was frustrating seeing it not happen.
00:21:19It's again, it's it's crazy.
00:21:21It's almost beyond hyperbole, like at this point, what you're going to say about his
00:21:25impact on not just this game, but like so many games this year.
00:21:32It feels like at this point.
00:21:35Out of anybody on the Celtics, I have the most confidence that when a Pritchett shot
00:21:40goes up, it will go in like like obviously he is not as good of an offensive player as
00:21:45as a Tatum or Derek White, just because of like what they can do, the the space they
00:21:49create, they're facilitating the size, whatever.
00:21:52But like when I know what I said, you say that now it's still you're saying it because
00:22:00it's a safe thing to say now.
00:22:02But it's OK to say this and mean it like I kind of want the ball in his hands.
00:22:07I truly think that I like out of anybody in the Celtics, if you say you need a shot at
00:22:13the buzzer, I feel the most confident in Peyton Pritchett making that shot right now over
00:22:16anybody else on this team.
00:22:17And that's a crazy thing to say, considering the talent.
00:22:19But like it is just something about the way he is able to create shots out of nothing,
00:22:25make shots from literally anywhere on the floor, no matter who is guarding him.
00:22:29And the track record we've seen from Tatum in some of those moments, Jalen, some of those
00:22:33moments and other guys just throughout the courses of games like Pritchett is making
00:22:37shots in unreal level right now.
00:22:39And I think that's just the reality we live in.
00:22:43It's not a bad reality.
00:22:44It's I mean, and it's again, it's, you know, an embarrassment of riches in this team when
00:22:49you've added now.
00:22:50And again, we talk about this on the show all the time, but it's really found money.
00:22:53It's not like you knew you didn't know Peyton Pritchett could play, but you didn't know
00:22:56he's this guy this year.
00:22:58And you didn't know that Nemus Keita is somebody who actually can give you valuable contributions
00:23:02and valuable minutes.
00:23:03That's also found money on this team right now.
00:23:06So again, how do teams like the Celtics who won a championship get better internal improvements,
00:23:12you know?
00:23:13And that's what's happening right now where you're getting, dare we say, I mean, all-star
00:23:18level contribution or sixth man of the year level contribution for somebody you didn't
00:23:22necessarily expect that from at this point in time, which is crazy to get it.
00:23:27So Pritchett is an obvious story.
00:23:29It is crazy to think like, you know, this is the first night and again, we can't have
00:23:36nice things.
00:23:37This is the first night they had a fully healthy squad all year.
00:23:40And then Derek White goes out with the game.
00:23:41How did this game was at all remotely close when they had all of their horses and you
00:23:45had such a good Peyton Pritchard game and such a terrific Jason Tatum game, yet here
00:23:50they were kind of battling.
00:23:52I do want to give the Bulls a lot of credit tonight.
00:23:55I think tendency is to be like, well, the Celtics played like ass.
00:23:59Like, look, I don't think defensively they put a lot of pressure on them.
00:24:03They kind of gave them their space.
00:24:05They gave them room to operate.
00:24:06They created some open passing lanes to be able to get them to do stuff.
00:24:11I think they played a passive style of defense that allowed Chicago to move the ball around,
00:24:15get decent looks, and then they freaking hit them.
00:24:18It was kind of, it was, it's kind of a strange thing to watch somebody do to you what you
00:24:22do to them, which was create a lot of open threes and knock them down.
00:24:26And that's what they were doing.
00:24:27And so I kind of liked that.
00:24:29I thought it was a fun back and forth sort of dogfight.
00:24:31So I'll ask you guys just on the game itself, how much of it was Celtics maybe not bringing
00:24:37their A game to the court and how much of it was this Chicago played a dynamite game?
00:24:44I think it was more Chicago, honestly.
00:24:46And something I'm trying to do is I'm trying to have a better view of like what the other
00:24:51team is actually doing and not just what the Celtics are doing.
00:24:54And then the other team is just the side character.
00:24:57And I really feel like Chicago had so many individual performances that were impressive,
00:25:01but also just the way they responded as a team.
00:25:03Celtics went up by 10 early on, they could have folded and they really never did.
00:25:07And just individually, like Gale Horton and Tucker were six for six at one point.
00:25:10So I mean, that was just ridiculous.
00:25:11A lot of ridiculous individual performances.
00:25:15And even the fact that they were able to withstand the Peyton Pritchard fourth quarter, I mean,
00:25:18they were down by three or four at one point after the 19 points.
00:25:23So you got to give them credit for being able to hang in there.
00:25:25I think the Celtics squandered some opportunities to create separation.
00:25:28I mean, there was like three consecutive turnovers in the fourth quarter that were all bad decisions
00:25:31on the Celtics end.
00:25:33But also it was like Chicago found some defense down the stretch that they really didn't have
00:25:37much during the game.
00:25:38So I walk away a little bit more impressed with Chicago than disappointed with the Celtics
00:25:43effort.
00:25:44Also, I think the Celtics are 16 and three, and it's going to be hard for us to criticize
00:25:50like their effort until we see like some stretch of losing.
00:25:53And I talked about this in Atlanta.
00:25:54It's funny, we had that Atlanta loss that we were all kind of like, this is going to
00:25:57be this is a sign of something more or not.
00:25:59And then they've won what seven in a row since then.
00:26:02So it's hard to point to the Celtics having bad habits when they're not really facing
00:26:06the consequences.
00:26:07So I think I'm walking away just impressed with Chicago's effort mostly.
00:26:10Yeah, I think that's largely where I lean as well.
00:26:13I think the biggest thing that gets lost in translation sometimes like these guys are
00:26:16trying like I don't necessarily think it's always an effort thing.
00:26:19I think it's more that the Bulls played so well that the Celtics were a bit shell shocked
00:26:24with what they were seeing.
00:26:25Like it was literally they were getting beaten at their own game and the Celtics weren't
00:26:29used to seeing that version of the Bulls.
00:26:31And obviously they go look at the numbers.
00:26:32I mean, the Bulls are second and three point makes per game this season.
00:26:35I think they're third in attempts.
00:26:36And so you see that, but it doesn't really show up until it's in front of your face.
00:26:40And they're fast.
00:26:41And the Celtics were not defending well on the back foot.
00:26:44They were not rotating well.
00:26:45And the Bulls are creating open threes.
00:26:46The drive and kick was just automatic for them.
00:26:48Kristaps Porzingis wasn't stepping up to Vucevic enough.
00:26:51Like there were little things that you can look at, but I don't think it was much effort
00:26:54as it was execution.
00:26:55And I think a lot of that just stemmed from the Bulls played really good and the Celtics
00:26:58were not prepared for that.
00:27:00Once the third and fourth quarter came around, they had some good individual performances
00:27:04of their own in Tandem and Pritchard that sort of got them over the hump.
00:27:07But I think the Bulls just played a lot better than the Celtics expected and it took them
00:27:10a while to adjust.
00:27:11Yeah.
00:27:12Yeah.
00:27:13And again, they kind of, it's like you hit them with your best punch and they didn't
00:27:18go down, you know, and that's what happened early because the Celtics were smoking.
00:27:21They built that double digit lead and you're like, here we go.
00:27:24And it ended up not happening.
00:27:25So yeah, it definitely, I don't think they were totally ready for it, but they were,
00:27:31they were, they were, it was impressive.
00:27:33It was fun.
00:27:34It was an entertaining game.
00:27:35If you can put aside the whole like Celtics should destroy everyone, you know, smash,
00:27:40you know, if you only watch the games through that lens it's going to, it's every game is
00:27:45boring as hell, you know, and I don't think this was necessarily one of them, though there
00:27:48were some questionable.
00:27:49I, like I said, Vucevic, I think ate up Porzingis a couple of times where he kind of played
00:27:54off him a little bit, gave him too much room.
00:27:56I think you want to get critical.
00:27:57I thought Brown's shot selection was, was, was, was pretty bad all game long in terms
00:28:03of the degree of difficulty.
00:28:04And sometimes those just fall and that's just the Jalen Brown experience.
00:28:08You know, just tonight, really none of that difficult fall away, you know you know, MIDI
00:28:14game worked for him.
00:28:15I think I forgot what the final number was, but he was, you know, you know, hit four threes,
00:28:21had that one ridiculous dunk and was two of 10 on every other shot, you know, at a
00:28:25point.
00:28:26So it was just, those were tough.
00:28:28But other than that, like I said, is, you know, a really good Tatum game, good, you
00:28:32know, good efforts, good, good KP game.
00:28:35We'll talk about him as well, what we thought in his second game back and what he looks
00:28:39like to you guys through, through a couple of games.
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00:31:37Let's size up Porzingis after a couple of, nope, that's the wrong one.
00:31:40After a couple of games.
00:31:41What'd you think of him tonight versus last night where, I mean, versus his first game
00:31:46where you saw Porzingis things, his presence immediately, I think was, you know, you could
00:31:52notice it particularly on the defensive end and how much, you know, he acts as a deterrent
00:31:58back there and, you know, has helped things and what he does for the spacing and the offense
00:32:02and all of that stuff.
00:32:04But you can see he's a little bit winded.
00:32:06You know, at a couple of times in the game, what did you think of him game two versus
00:32:09game one?
00:32:10I thought he was, sorry, sorry, I was waiting my turn.
00:32:17I thought his offense, look at this stat line.
00:32:21It was, it was crazy.
00:32:22I think the biggest thing you notice in this game is what you saw a lot last season of
00:32:28the Celtics offense is, you know, having a few bad possessions or stalling.
00:32:33It gives them an immediate switch up.
00:32:34Like they'll, he'll set a screen, he'll get a guard in the post, he'll go to work and
00:32:37he'll either draw a foul or get an easy layup.
00:32:40And he did that over and over and over in this game.
00:32:42Obviously the threes went down a couple of times tonight, which was good too.
00:32:45But I think just having that as an offensive curve ball to throw in there as they're jacking
00:32:50up threes is something they missed a lot of this season.
00:32:53I thought he was a little off defensively in this game.
00:32:55I think they switched it up to put him on a different matchup so that he could play
00:32:57help a little bit better, but he wasn't really moving as well as you wanted him to.
00:33:01He wasn't getting out, obviously, like we mentioned to Vucic as much.
00:33:04So I don't think this was an amazing defensive game, but I think the offense is exactly what
00:33:07you want to see from him.
00:33:08Yeah, I agree.
00:33:09And it was one of those words like he was hitting these crazy shots, but that's also
00:33:14been what he's been shooting this year, but it's not what he's been shooting for his career.
00:33:18So I don't know what the game plan called for, you know, sometimes I know historically
00:33:22Joe just will live with certain guys hitting shots and will not change that defensive scheme
00:33:26regardless of whether those shots are going in.
00:33:29And at one point I was like, maybe that's what this is.
00:33:30But then at one point I was like, okay, he's shooting 45% and he's letting us up here.
00:33:33So I think that probably he should have been a little bit more aggressive there.
00:33:37But offensively, I just like the shot.
00:33:39Like this is not from like a basketball analysis standpoint, just from an aesthetics watching
00:33:42the game.
00:33:43It's just fun to watch him play.
00:33:44And it's just fun to have a guy that plays completely different than everybody else.
00:33:48And you dump it down low to him and he has all these nice moves and the swing through
00:33:51a lot of the same quintessential moves that I think were really impressed the fan base
00:33:55when he got treated to Boston last year.
00:33:57We saw more of those tonight, whereas I felt like the other night, we didn't really see
00:34:00that as much.
00:34:02I know a lot.
00:34:03There was a lot of buzz about him maybe being hobbled at one point.
00:34:07I think people are going to watch him very carefully and very closely throughout the
00:34:10rest of the season.
00:34:11Was that when he was going across the lane to his right?
00:34:13Yes.
00:34:14And he got fouled.
00:34:15No, no, not that one.
00:34:16Oh, because that one.
00:34:17That one too.
00:34:18That one too.
00:34:19And then he hopped up in frustration.
00:34:20I was sitting with my dad.
00:34:21My dad was like, he's hurt.
00:34:22I was like, no, he's just frustrated.
00:34:23But I guess that one.
00:34:24Yeah.
00:34:25Okay.
00:34:26Yeah.
00:34:27The previous half, he had a wide open dunk.
00:34:28Like he just drove in right.
00:34:29How do I open up?
00:34:30And then when he was running up, he seemed a little hobbled and then he didn't come back
00:34:31in for a while and was not on the bench for a second.
00:34:32So people, all the, all the detectives at home were very concerned.
00:34:33But it sounds like he, it sounds like he's fine.
00:34:34But I do think there's going to be an element of just people watching him very cautiously.
00:34:35I think it's going to be a lot of fun.
00:34:36I think it's going to be a lot of fun.
00:34:49I mean, he's probably going to deal with little things here and there, hopefully nothing major.
00:34:53But it is, I did kind of forget about how difficult it is to watch him at points just
00:34:57because of how like flimsy he looks and how it constantly feels, it constantly feels like
00:35:01he's on the verge of something.
00:35:02It really does.
00:35:03He looks like he's going to get hurt on every play.
00:35:06He really does.
00:35:07He does.
00:35:08He does.
00:35:09I'm all, but that's all tall people like that.
00:35:11It's like, there's just an, it's just an injury waiting to happen.
00:35:15Because there's just so many, like so much of him, you know, and like, yeah, you're right.
00:35:20I gasp almost all the time when he's doing stuff.
00:35:23I felt that way about Rob also.
00:35:25I was like, that's going to be it.
00:35:27That's the one.
00:35:28And that was also valid.
00:35:29Yeah.
00:35:30And it was.
00:35:31So it is difficult.
00:35:33Circling back real quick, as we said, there's still a scenario where the Celtics do get
00:35:40into this group thing.
00:35:42But it is interesting where that Atlanta loss kind of threw it away though, like, well,
00:35:48you know, that's all Atlanta is going to get.
00:35:49And Atlanta ends up winning this group, which is crazy with the Celtics and Cleveland, the
00:35:54two best teams record wise in the NBA and for Atlanta to emerge.
00:35:58Trey Young, who did not play in that game.
00:36:04Atlanta should be thanking you, Trey, because if you did play in that first game, it's probably
00:36:08likely that the Celtics win.
00:36:12That's what happened.
00:36:14But he didn't.
00:36:15And the Celtics lost that game, which was crazy.
00:36:18And as we pointed out, they needed to kind of juice that point differential a little
00:36:22bit near the end when they took control there.
00:36:25Joe Mazzullo calls a timeout.
00:36:26It's the second time that's happened with Chicago, where they've tried to run it up
00:36:29a little to increase their chances or odds of advancing.
00:36:33We paraphrased this quote earlier, but here is Joe Mazzullo talking about that after the
00:36:37game.
00:36:38For this situation, you seem to like.
00:36:39Yeah.
00:36:40I like it.
00:36:41One, it's the point differential, so you want to exhaust as much as you can, but I like
00:36:47it because this tournament and the point differential kind of eliminates all the unwritten rules
00:36:52that you're supposed to follow or not follow, where in a normal situation, you wouldn't
00:36:56do that.
00:36:57But in this one, you get to look at a need, and you get to draw up a play to try and get
00:37:01better in that situation.
00:37:02So guys did a good job of executing, and we tried to extend the point differential as
00:37:06much as we could.
00:37:09There it is.
00:37:10We tried.
00:37:11We tried.
00:37:12We tried.
00:37:13We tried to score meaningless points because that's what they're telling us to do.
00:37:17Still nothing from Donovan.
00:37:18I bet you he doesn't react.
00:37:19Well, I think part of it was last year.
00:37:22I don't.
00:37:23Donovan didn't really realize what was happening because there were still like five minutes
00:37:26left in the game when the Celtics were fouling.
00:37:28I don't think there was any question here about what this was.
00:37:31The question, you know, everybody knows the point differential thing now.
00:37:33Everybody gets it.
00:37:34Donovan even said last year at one point, I didn't, you know, once Joe explained it
00:37:37to me that what they were doing, like, I didn't have any hard feelings, I think.
00:37:40So I don't think he's gonna, I don't think he's upset.
00:37:42It's more just, it's just so unusual to watch an NBA game and to see, and DC was the other
00:37:47weird one where Washington started fouling the Celtics, and to this day, I don't think
00:37:51anybody understands outside of maybe the Wizards why they were fouling.
00:37:54So it just creates scenarios that people aren't used to.
00:37:58But I don't, I don't mind it.
00:37:59I don't, I don't like watching the last 30 seconds be dribbled out, especially when there's
00:38:02like a record to be broken, which happens all the time.
00:38:05So I don't, I honestly personally don't mind it.
00:38:07But I'm not surprised that Joe, Joe has leaned in.
00:38:09See, I saw officially, as someone who's trying to fill out the scores in my article, I was
00:38:15desperately waiting for them just to finish the game because I'm sitting there like, all
00:38:18right, do I have to add three and then Sam has or hit that shot, I had to go through
00:38:21like seven different places and fix all of my stats, because they decided to score an
00:38:25extra three points.
00:38:26But I mean, that's the least surprising answer I've ever heard in my life from Joe was like,
00:38:30he just, he likes to score, he likes to win basketball games.
00:38:33If Joe Missoula was in the MLB, he would pimp walk a home run up nine runs in the bottom
00:38:38of the ninth inning.
00:38:39Like, like, they don't care.
00:38:40He just he wants to play the game he's playing.
00:38:43And I think that fans should like that in there.
00:38:47And you do because you know, now it's because responses like that have kind of typified,
00:38:52you know, the entire Joe Missoula experience.
00:38:54And I think people have definitely embraced that here.
00:38:57I don't think he's making a lot of friends, but he's also outside outside of Boston.
00:39:01But I also, he's outright said, I don't want to make any friends outside of Boston.
00:39:07I'm not trying to.
00:39:08It's a weakness.
00:39:09It's a weakness.
00:39:10This is a killer be killed mentality here.
00:39:11And this is kind of what he says is, yeah, like, there's no decorum I have to worry about,
00:39:17you know, like in in his, you know, MMA fight world, you know, there's no ref pulling me
00:39:22off the person when they've had enough.
00:39:24That's what I love about this cup here, I get to just keep pounding away.
00:39:28And that's basically what he's saying here.
00:39:30And he likes it.
00:39:31And you know, it's it's raw and it's refreshing and it's a little bit terrifying also.
00:39:37But again, it's just kind of part of part of what Joe Missoula does lost in this.
00:39:43I do think, you know, it would be silly to not give Tatum his flowers.
00:39:48This was an insanely efficient Jason Tatum game.
00:39:51What's interesting, if you looked at what you might have thought was not a plus plus
00:39:56effort across the board from everybody, you know, for the full 48, I don't think Tatum
00:40:01fell into that category at any point in time.
00:40:03I think he was like, he had game face on the entire time.
00:40:08And he was, you know, you saw it with the both ends of the court, the block, and then
00:40:11they go the other way in the end one.
00:40:13But he was pretty dialed in, you know, from minute one, this is an incredibly efficient
00:40:18Jason Tatum game.
00:40:19Yeah, this was an MVP caliber game on all fronts, the rebounding, the three level scoring.
00:40:25I loved some of the drives to the basket.
00:40:28Sometimes you see him do a couple of those where he's just feels like he's gliding.
00:40:31It's like, I want to see that constantly.
00:40:33But he was just efficient across the board.
00:40:35He never took those like he check shots, which I feel like sometimes when he has a really
00:40:38good game, he takes a few just because he's been making a bunch and then he ends up ends
00:40:43up like his box score numbers don't reflect how good he was.
00:40:45I feel like that happens a lot where he feels like he's dominating, but then he misses a
00:40:49few shots just because he was, he just took some to take some and he never did that tonight.
00:40:53And so yeah, super impressive game on all fronts and I think he's just having a really
00:40:58good season.
00:40:59I hope he's getting I hope people are able to like, acknowledge the fact that despite
00:41:02all the talent on this team, and despite the fact that it's going to be the Pritchard storyline,
00:41:05there's other storylines that maybe are a little bit more fun and new and exciting.
00:41:08Tatum's had a very, very solid two way season this this year so far.
00:41:13I mean, I think however many points the Bulls are up by early in that third quarter when
00:41:17they put in the lineup that was basically Tatum and the rest of the guys, he just took
00:41:22over the entire game.
00:41:23Like he was getting to the room whenever he wanted.
00:41:25Like you just mentioned, he had that nice chase down block that turned into some more
00:41:28points for him.
00:41:29He got mad at a foul call on one end and then immediately just drove down the entire length
00:41:33of the floor and then made a layup.
00:41:35So at least that was channeled into a more positive light in this game to like everything
00:41:40he did turn to gold in this game.
00:41:41It just felt like it got overshadowed by paid pressure at the end.
00:41:44So he's not going to get the credit.
00:41:45It did.
00:41:46And what's also crazy is they were losing, you know, they were losing the non Tatum minutes
00:41:50until that Pritchard stint there in the fourth where it now exactly that his impact and how
00:41:57important he was to keeping them afloat basically in this game ended up being, you know, nullified
00:42:04because Pritchard had, you know, this ungodly fourth quarter performance.
00:42:08But you could see the dip when he wasn't out there.
00:42:11They were really they were not cohesive at all.
00:42:14He was the engine for pretty much all game long again up until Pritchard lost his lost
00:42:21his damn mind, which was which is really something and what we're going to continue talking about
00:42:24it.
00:42:25Other leftover thoughts you guys from this from this game here that you wanted to hit
00:42:30on that we haven't haven't touched upon yet.
00:42:32I was going to say on the Tatum piece, like there was a little bit of a danger zone there
00:42:36for them.
00:42:37Like I think they were down eight with seven minutes to go in the third.
00:42:41And then he scored 13 in that stretch.
00:42:43And again, it's like, you know, we talk about clutch and clutch shots and sometimes clutch
00:42:48shots are in the fourth quarter, but he had some clutch shots in that third quarter to
00:42:52bring them back into it.
00:42:53And then obviously Pritchard dominated the fourth.
00:42:54But, you know, we talked about this a lot last year with Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown
00:42:58and how they would almost take turns dominating quarters like the third quarter was all Jason
00:43:03Tatum today.
00:43:04And it was it was a hugely important stretch, especially when they kind of had that terrible
00:43:07start.
00:43:08And then so yeah, I just it's just fun to watch and it's fun to watch him just make
00:43:12good decisions.
00:43:13And that's really what we're seeing from him night in and night out.
00:43:15And I want to talk more about Pritchard.
00:43:19That's what I'm holding myself back.
00:43:20I don't want to be a meme, but it's like if there's more meat on that Pritchard bone,
00:43:25we can circle back to it.
00:43:26I'm not going to I'm not going to stop you from doing that.
00:43:29I don't even know what to say.
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00:46:30Getting back to it and Noah absolutely you can continue talking about Peyton Pritchard
00:46:33if that's what if that's what if that's what you want to do.
00:46:37It's not even that I have more to say I just honestly I hope that he gets the opportunity
00:46:40this year to continue this usage rate to continue having opportunities to close out fourth quarters
00:46:46because it's I do feel like he's a star in the making and I think that you know, he show
00:46:51he has shown flashes of that but there's a lot of stars in the making that never pan
00:46:55out because they don't get the opportunity.
00:46:56That's the whole story of the NBA and you know, right now he's getting an opportunity
00:47:00where there really wasn't a major one.
00:47:01It's not like there was, you know, guys went down and finally Pritchard got his chance
00:47:05like he really crawled in people forget, you know, Marcus Martin Malcolm Brogdon were
00:47:09taking all those guard minutes two years back and Pritchard was getting DNPs night in and
00:47:12night out and I don't think that I don't know that he would have known that either is going
00:47:17to be games now or drew holidays potentially sitting on the bench or he's taking big shots
00:47:20with Tatum and Brown on the floor.
00:47:21So it's just you know, I hope that the opportunity continues because it's just makes them so
00:47:26hard to guard there were moments today where it's like they couldn't leave Pritchard any
00:47:29space they have to they were sending to like in his direction and then you have Tatum and
00:47:33the finals MVP from last year.
00:47:35So it's like just another weapon out there.
00:47:37It makes it so hard to think about where you even begin to address this team and Doc Rivers
00:47:42has talked about it.
00:47:42I was the first thing on the scouting report.
00:47:44Don't let Pritchard go off and then he still does.
00:47:46So it's just yeah, just thinking about this team.
00:47:48Like it takes things to continue championship cores.
00:47:50We've seen it with the Spurs, with the Warriors.
00:47:53I don't want to get crazy here, but I think Pritchard might be one of those pieces that
00:47:56extends and I'm not bringing any other players up, but that's no, are you upping your
00:48:01prediction? Your prediction was future all star at some point.
00:48:05Are you going to you want to like double down on it?
00:48:09You want to add to it?
00:48:10No, it's going to be an all star.
00:48:11You want to say something bolder?
00:48:13It's really hard to be an all star.
00:48:14Honestly, that's the one thing like I want to get crazy here.
00:48:16But if you really look at it, like they are quite an all star and might not be one.
00:48:20So being an all star means, you know, in this NBA with all the talent and yeah, he'll be
00:48:27an all star. I'm going to leave it at that for now.
00:48:29For who?
00:48:32For the Celtics.
00:48:33OK, she didn't want to say that she didn't she didn't want to make that prediction.
00:48:38No, no, I did.
00:48:39I wouldn't say it if I didn't want to.
00:48:40John knows. I'll sit here in silence if I can't answer the question.
00:48:46I've taken it easy on you, by the way, with these merchant of chaos sort of questions
00:48:51that I that I tend to ask people.
00:48:53But yeah, so you think all star, all star for the Celtics at one point or another?
00:48:58Yes. Still there.
00:48:59Jack, do you believe that?
00:49:01I think it is very hard to be an all star, like Noah said, and I don't think.
00:49:09I think he could have the production to do it, but I think as long as Tatum and Brown
00:49:13are on the Celtics, he won't be able to, because I don't think I think it'll be rare
00:49:18that they get three all stars.
00:49:19So I don't necessarily like if I if you press me and I had to, like, guess yes or no,
00:49:24I would say no, but not because I don't think he's good enough because I don't think the
00:49:27situation calls for it.
00:49:28Derek White's going to be an all star this season, by the way, so just this is the first
00:49:31one.
00:49:32So, yes, he is.
00:49:34Yeah, take that, Derek, DJ, whatever the that's the thing, Noah, and this is where it does
00:49:42get tricky in order for this to come true.
00:49:44That's going to require Derek White or Drew Holiday not being on this team, most likely
00:49:52because he's not making it from the bench.
00:49:54I don't have to think about how it's going to happen.
00:49:55So who needs to go?
00:49:59So who needs to go in order for you to in order for your dream to come through?
00:50:03Why do I have to call for a trade right now?
00:50:07Because that's the only way it happens.
00:50:09Someone's going to go eventually.
00:50:11I know.
00:50:11I think once Holiday retires, like Holiday could retire and then Richard steps into a
00:50:15starting role.
00:50:16That's and then yeah, lifeline.
00:50:20I don't know.
00:50:20I'm not going to let a pretty Richard fourth quarter have me calling for the trade of
00:50:28draw.
00:50:30Got chat.
00:50:31You know what to do.
00:50:35The chat, the chat will see it.
00:50:37Otherwise, Noah, that's that's.
00:50:39What is the track going to see?
00:50:41The chat's going to say that you want you're trying to ride.
00:50:43You're kind of holiday.
00:50:44I'm seeing a split chat right now.
00:50:45The chat wants me to go further.
00:50:46And also the chat things I've lost my mind.
00:50:48So that that often is the case.
00:50:51That's how you know you're doing it right.
00:50:52I know.
00:50:53That's how I was thinking.
00:50:53I was like, I'll take this.
00:50:55That's how you know you're doing it right now.
00:50:57Yeah, no, I I'd love to.
00:50:59I'd love to say it.
00:51:00It is crazy, though.
00:51:02Just continue to talk about it that like when Doc River says it, you're like, OK, Doc,
00:51:07you're so smart.
00:51:08You told them, watch out for that thing that ended up happening.
00:51:11And that to me is almost kind of like covering his ass more than it is actually giving Pritchard
00:51:16is his flowers.
00:51:17Like, you know, I told these guys to watch out for him and they didn't listen to me.
00:51:21But like you actually I actually I actually do start to believe that coaches are like,
00:51:27so we can't you we can't give this guy an inch like you can't do it.
00:51:33Can't sag off him.
00:51:34Can't do anything like I think it's real now.
00:51:37I think it's not like, oh, you know, we got burned by the one out of 10 Pritchard game.
00:51:43It's not it's a regular occurrence.
00:51:46It is legitimately something you have to, you know, I'll date myself with it.
00:51:50But like, you know, people of my generation, like the first player like this was, you know,
00:51:54that you remember.
00:51:55Actually, there's a couple, but there's Sixers had one with Andrew Toney and the Pistons
00:51:59had Vinnie Johnson, who was known as the microwave.
00:52:01You know, and again, it's before your time, but it's a guy who just come in and heat up
00:52:05instantly.
00:52:06And back then, microwaves were new.
00:52:08So it was kind of a cool nickname.
00:52:11Were they all stars?
00:52:12Did they did they make the All-Star team?
00:52:14But it was like microwave.
00:52:16Microwave was basically sorcery back then, but it really was.
00:52:20But it's like magic.
00:52:22Vinnie Johnson is the name.
00:52:23Yeah, and he was the microwave and he would just come in and just bucket, bucket, bucket,
00:52:28bucket, you know, and like those guys are awesome when you have them.
00:52:32So even if that's all Pritchard ever is, just being an instant bucket coming off the bench
00:52:38is an incredible weapon to have on your team.
00:52:41I'm just reading up on this guy's career.
00:52:43Was he an All-Star Noah?
00:52:46I don't think so, but he had a respectable career.
00:52:49He averaged 16 points a game at one point.
00:52:52Yeah, that's who he was.
00:52:53But his career averages were probably seven or eight, but there was a stretch of time
00:52:59where he would come in there and he would just just assassinate you and be like, oh
00:53:03my God, you know, like that guy beat us.
00:53:06And like, that's what's happening with Pritchard right now.
00:53:08Like you're walking away from this.
00:53:09Like you didn't get beat by Jalen.
00:53:11You didn't get, well, I mean, Tatum had a great game.
00:53:13We got beat by Peyton frigging Pritchard.
00:53:15Like that hurts, you know, for other teams because you're looking at everything you have
00:53:19to account for on the other side.
00:53:20And when you just get smoked by a Peyton Pritchard game, it's easy to say like, oh,
00:53:24this was an outlier, but it's not an outlier.
00:53:27That's what's amazing about it.
00:53:30Yeah, and I think the other reality is that he was a phenomenal player in college.
00:53:33Like he was one of the best players in the country his senior year.
00:53:35And he's so easy.
00:53:36This is not his first time having the ball in his hand and making big plays.
00:53:39It's just, was it going to translate to the NBA?
00:53:41It was a question that all these undersized guys have to face.
00:53:45And I think he's answered it, you know, it took him time to adjust, but that, you know,
00:53:49there's flashes of like, he's done this before.
00:53:51And he always has the great quotes about like, you know, I do this in my off days.
00:53:54I do this in my sleep.
00:53:54I pay my friends to come overseas and compete against me.
00:53:57But he's also done it in high pressure moments, like, you know, in big stages before.
00:54:04It's just, this is the first time that we're getting to see it here.
00:54:07Yeah.
00:54:07Yeah.
00:54:08Someone just put this up here and this is an interest.
00:54:10Everyone's mad at you guys for being young and I don't, I celebrate it.
00:54:14There's obviously some boomers in the chat here.
00:54:16They're not supposed to know who Vinny Johnson is.
00:54:18He played like a hundred years ago, guys, give it a rest.
00:54:24But somebody put on here, one of the great things Brad did is get rid of dead weight.
00:54:29I hate referring to players as dead weight, but it is pretty interesting.
00:54:32If you look up and down this roster, there's really nothing wasted.
00:54:35Like you can make a case for people across the board, you know, and that includes, you know,
00:54:40DNPs tonight who were healthy.
00:54:41That's what, you know, like I said, is Luke is a guy who could absolutely get minutes.
00:54:45Who isn't getting minutes.
00:54:46Tillman is a guy who could get minutes.
00:54:47Who isn't getting minutes.
00:54:48Like you've now legitimately gone.
00:54:51What are you laughing at now?
00:54:52No, Jack has no.
00:54:56First of all, I've been better about not laughing when I see Luke Ornette in the chat.
00:55:01So just want to point that out.
00:55:05I think it's the new profile picture.
00:55:06It gets me a little bit less than the other one, which is like his roster pick.
00:55:09So thank you for changing your profile picture.
00:55:12I was laughing because Jack has a, I don't know if you know,
00:55:15but Jack has a Xavier Tillman thing.
00:55:17Like the same way that everybody has their thing.
00:55:18Jack's really, he's very high on Xavier Tillman.
00:55:22Yeah.
00:55:23So I just saw Jack light up at you mentioning Xavier Tillman.
00:55:27It was just, you know, it just brought me back to last time.
00:55:31That's my guy.
00:55:32Just like Grant was my guy that I had to abandon.
00:55:34Xavier Tillman's my guy.
00:55:37I had to quickly jump shit.
00:55:39No, I'm all in on Xavier Tillman.
00:55:41I desperately, I resent that Luke Ornette in the chat.
00:55:45Come on, he's staying right here in Boston.
00:55:48Multi-year deal.
00:55:49He'll find his way.
00:55:50This is the actual Luke Ornette, which nobody knows,
00:55:53but that's the best part about this.
00:55:56Can you imagine?
00:55:58I, when I was, so I wrote a Cornette story at the start of the season
00:56:01about like him being a comedian and I asked one of his friends,
00:56:04like, does Luke have a burner?
00:56:06And he told me no.
00:56:07So as far as I was told, he doesn't actually have a burner.
00:56:09Rule number one is say you don't have a burner.
00:56:11Yeah, I know, I know, I know.
00:56:16Yeah.
00:56:19But, and I will say also just basketball side,
00:56:22Xavier Tillman is like the friendliest,
00:56:25most charismatic, warm person on the team,
00:56:27as far as like talking to reporters and things.
00:56:29So I do think, I'm not saying that that's the reason Jack likes him.
00:56:33Yeah, there's, there's a lot of things that are intriguing about his game.
00:56:35It's part of the reason, for sure.
00:56:37But I just want to throw that in there that he's, he was during the finals.
00:56:40We were camped out at the Tillman station.
00:56:42Just chatting with Xavier.
00:56:43Oh yeah, I was, I was, I was next to you guys, half of it.
00:56:46Cause I was spilling tea about Porzingis in practice and everything else.
00:56:51The camera guys with the high end equipment were off shooting the premium podium.
00:56:55I was in Tillman land with you guys hanging out.
00:56:58Jack's asking like 40 questions in a row.
00:57:01Jack dominated.
00:57:02Someone had to.
00:57:04Jack dominated Tillman media availabilities in the finals.
00:57:08It was just, yeah, it was unreal.
00:57:10I know, I know.
00:57:12If I ever want to hear Jack be chatty, I just got to get him in front of Tillman.
00:57:16Someone asking me for this, I'll put it up real quick again.
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00:57:28A couple of people in the chat were asking.
00:57:29So I threw it back up there.
00:57:31He is a good dude.
00:57:32Honestly, that stuff helps because, you know, you know, like those guys with like the good
00:57:39dude karma vibes that helps a lot, you know, and you could have this, this happens every
00:57:44trade deadline, right?
00:57:46You want a player, you want to bring them in.
00:57:48You, you probably want a player that's better than the role that you can provide them.
00:57:52And if you do bring in players like that, you're going to have issues because they want
00:57:56to come in and play 25, 30 minutes a night.
00:57:58And you might be like, I got 12 for you.
00:58:00Is that cool?
00:58:01You know, and Celtics don't really have that.
00:58:04Everybody kind of slots into their role right now and is okay with it.
00:58:07And the guys who are going to be occasional DNPCD is like Luke and Tillman are cool about
00:58:13it, which is crazy.
00:58:15They're good dudes.
00:58:16And and they're not going to balk and they're not going to have issue.
00:58:20You've really settled in nicely to kind of what you have here.
00:58:23And really you're looking at, again, we've had this conversation so many times before,
00:58:28but a rotational third center situation where you're going to play based on whatever need
00:58:33you think is there.
00:58:34I think Kada has clicked just ahead of Luke, but that doesn't mean it's a permanent thing
00:58:39or it'll happen every single time.
00:58:41And I think there'll be games that call for X as well.
00:58:44But when you're using them in that capacity on those nights, when you have both your healthy
00:58:49bigs with Horford and Porzingis playing, I think you're in great shape.
00:58:55Yeah, I think it'd be really hard for them to get a big midseason that they feel can
00:59:00learn the defensive system and they can trust that person by the playoffs.
00:59:03Like, I don't think it's going to happen.
00:59:04So even if they got somebody that is maybe a little bit more decorated, has accomplished
00:59:08a little bit more in their career than either of the Celtics backups right now, there's
00:59:12the continuity and just the leg that's going to be a leg up.
00:59:15But I would be very surprised if somebody was able to actually get playoff minutes.
00:59:20Listen, I promise, just like there was in the finals, there's going to be a game this
00:59:23season.
00:59:24I don't know if it'll be the regular season.
00:59:25I don't know if it'll be the playoffs where Xavier Tillman is going to do stuff that is
00:59:29going to make it the Xavier Tillman game.
00:59:31I stand my ground.
00:59:33It's going to happen at some point.
00:59:34I don't know when.
00:59:35I don't know how, but it's going to happen.
00:59:37I need.
00:59:38I just.
00:59:39What's the prediction that he has one good regular season game?
00:59:42There will be a Xavier Tillman game is all I'm going to put my stand my ground.
00:59:46I do have a bet with Jake.
00:59:48He gets the whole game.
00:59:50No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, not that far.
00:59:53I do have a bet with Jake Eisenberger first of the floor, though, that he would shoot
00:59:5638% from three on at least 100 attempts.
00:59:59So I'm not looking too great there just yet.
01:00:04Well, I think the bet will be void because I don't think he's getting up 100.
01:00:08But that has not gone my way.
01:00:11Also, I don't care about shot sample when you're taking like 10 shots all year.
01:00:15I don't think that really tells us much about how his shots coming along.
01:00:18But he is a good three point shooter.
01:00:19I believe that wholeheartedly.
01:00:21He just hasn't done it in his limited minutes.
01:00:24No, I promise.
01:00:25I promise he's a good three point shooter.
01:00:26I watch him every day.
01:00:28I watch everything.
01:00:29Some guy paid $5 just to tell you you're wrong.
01:00:33Bring in the money.
01:00:34Tell me I'm wrong.
01:00:35I'm going to have to do that.
01:00:37He wanted he wanted me.
01:00:38He wanted it to be certain that it would get on there.
01:00:40So he paid for the right to get his comment put up there.
01:00:44James, no, wrong.
01:00:46That could be honestly, he could be on delay.
01:00:48And it could be saying that about anything we said.
01:00:50But I'm guessing it's you, Jack.
01:00:52It's not a big deal.
01:00:53That's all right.
01:00:54Keep the receipts, buddy.
01:00:57Listen, Jack, this is how people looked at me when I was when I was singing
01:01:00the Peyton Pritchard song when he was on his 12th DNP last year.
01:01:04People looked at me sideways, too.
01:01:05So I love I love the Richelman.
01:01:07And I do think that he could be a serviceable backup big.
01:01:09I just I think maybe you see a ceiling that I don't I don't quite see right now.
01:01:13But I'm never one to shoot down a player's capabilities.
01:01:16So I'm happy that we have one.
01:01:17I remember we were in Vegas and I had to defend Peyton Pritchard from you
01:01:22when we were in Vegas.
01:01:23I was hired.
01:01:24Yes, yes, 100 percent.
01:01:27That is what happened.
01:01:28Look at this.
01:01:30Well, this is an auction.
01:01:31Yeah, five dollars and one cent from Jack.
01:01:36You're right.
01:01:37Thank you, Jason.
01:01:38Oh, five dollars.
01:01:39We have five dollars.
01:01:41Five or one, five or one.
01:01:42Go for Jack.
01:01:43Anyone five or two want to tell Jackie's wrong?
01:01:45Bring it.
01:01:46He gets it.
01:01:48I'll stay on long enough to see how far we can go up by a penny.
01:01:52But yes, you're right, Jack.
01:01:54There might be a Xavier Tillman moment and that'll be outstanding if there if there is one.
01:01:59But but yeah, we love it.
01:02:01I do want to point out since Jack mentioned it, Jake Eisenberg, first to the floor.
01:02:07Terrific show coming up with Celtics late night right after this show.
01:02:10You should definitely check that out.
01:02:12Jack Simone also has his own podcast, which you can also find here on the CLNS Media Network.
01:02:17And again, you talk about embarrassment of riches.
01:02:19We have pretty much every Celtics podcast that you would ever want to listen to,
01:02:24including Noah's podcast.
01:02:26You got Boston, which is basically a daily Q&A where you get to just tell Noah that she's
01:02:31right about everything.
01:02:33And she says, cool, I told you so.
01:02:35And it just kind of goes like that.
01:02:37But it is a little bit of a chamber over there.
01:02:43Terrific podcast from Jack, from Noah and from Jake, along with Ben Vallis and Spoonie,
01:02:50who really know their stuff and are really good.
01:02:53And it's a very fun show.
01:02:54And that comes up after this game.
01:02:57I agree.
01:02:58Excellent pod.
01:02:59I know a lot of you guys go check it out.
01:03:00You should check all of them out.
01:03:01If you haven't checked out Jack's, you haven't checked out Noah's.
01:03:05You definitely should go looking for them because it's a lot of good stuff and a lot
01:03:08of good, fun, entertaining basketball talk.
01:03:11I think we are done.
01:03:11We are back on Sunday as the Celtics take on the Cavs with a shot to overtake them for
01:03:17first place in the East, which is kind of cool.
01:03:23Right now, Cleveland kind of reeling a little bit, having lost a couple to Atlanta and one
01:03:27to Boston recently.
01:03:28I think the guys made me this graphic, so we'll put it up here.
01:03:32It's very colorful, but the Boston Celtics NBA Cup hopes Orlando.
01:03:36This is what they need.
01:03:37Beat the Knicks bucks to beat Detroit by six or Detroit to beat Milwaukee by seven.
01:03:43Thanks for Sean Grandy for being all over that.
01:03:46So that's what we're looking at here.
01:03:48We're not going to know until Tuesday, if that happens for.
01:03:51So for those of you out there who really, really, really, really want the Celtics to
01:03:56advance, you're going to have to sweat it out for a couple of more days.
01:03:59But again, we've got a lot more basketball before then with the game on Sunday.
01:04:03Check out the Patriots as well with the Colts game.
01:04:07We'll have a post game there as well.
01:04:09Guys, I'm sorry I didn't do the food talk.
01:04:11I was rushed.
01:04:13I was rushed.
01:04:14I didn't take pictures of my pies.
01:04:16I am going to admit it wasn't my best year.
01:04:19It wasn't.
01:04:20It was they were pretty good.
01:04:24One of them looked gorgeous, but it didn't come out great.
01:04:27I'm really embarrassed.
01:04:28I had a bad pie Thanksgiving, and I'm still beat up about it.
01:04:32I made a great stuffing and a really good lobster mac and cheese, but my pies were not.
01:04:38I don't even know how to tell people this.
01:04:40They just weren't up to par.
01:04:41It wasn't a great pie.
01:04:44It wasn't a great pie Thanksgiving.
01:04:45Noah, however, put together this delicious spread here, and this is Noah's vegan Thanksgiving.
01:04:54If you insult the way the food looks, I didn't make it.
01:04:57So you're not insulting me.
01:04:58I'm not insulting the food.
01:05:00You're insulting my dad.
01:05:01I'm not insulting.
01:05:05Okay, I'm looking at the eyes.
01:05:08I'm looking at the sag paneer there.
01:05:14That's what you got there.
01:05:15The spinach and the cheese, that's a great Indian dish.
01:05:18If you're going to be vegan or you're going to be vegetarian, the way to go is Indian
01:05:23because there's great, great, great options there.
01:05:26So, yeah, Noah, why don't you talk us through some of this?
01:05:30Okay, so we got mac and cheese in the upper left corner.
01:05:35We got green beans, asparagus.
01:05:37With real cheese?
01:05:39Yeah, mac and what?
01:05:40Mac and cheese.
01:05:40Mac and what?
01:05:41Explain.
01:05:41No, no, no, mac and what?
01:05:43You want to know how we make the cheese?
01:05:45It's cashews.
01:05:47Okay.
01:05:48Okay, just hang on here, okay?
01:05:51We got asparagus.
01:05:52We got salad.
01:05:54Rice is for the spinach.
01:05:58Potatoes, eggplant parm, and then that's like an apple salad.
01:06:04There was also cauliflower soup that did not make it into the photo, but okay, thank you,
01:06:09guys.
01:06:09See, I thought when I took this, I was like, okay, I feel like this would be mainstream
01:06:13popular.
01:06:14Personally, I mean, I was raised as a charity, but when I look at everybody else's Thanksgiving
01:06:17plates, it's not like the food is jumping at you looking so delicious.
01:06:21Everybody's Thanksgiving, I thought mine could hang in there, but poorly received on
01:06:25the internet.
01:06:26A lot of messages of people being concerned about my Thanksgiving, so.
01:06:31No one is concerned, I just think.
01:06:32People were concerned, they were.
01:06:35Look, you challenged the Garden Report in your tweet.
01:06:38I did, I did.
01:06:38So that's why we-
01:06:40No, I'm receptive, I'm receptive.
01:06:42I just was surprised, because I think to me, this is good, you know?
01:06:44And we had a couple of non-vegan guests who thoroughly enjoyed the food.
01:06:49Who thoroughly enjoyed their, or at least they said they did.
01:06:54At least they said they did.
01:06:59Okay, I'm seeing a split chat, which I will take.
01:07:01Yeah, again, it works, it works.
01:07:05But that was a very vegan Thanksgiving.
01:07:08And again, people were looking for the food talk.
01:07:10Oftentimes, you get a Wednesday night game, and I get caught running back and forth into
01:07:14Pie Land, so people are getting live looks at it.
01:07:17It was a bit rushed this year, wasn't great.
01:07:19The apple pie was good.
01:07:21The pumpkin pie, slightly burnt crust.
01:07:24Good flavor, though.
01:07:25It just, they weren't picturesque.
01:07:26They weren't-
01:07:27Are you known for your pies, John?
01:07:29No, it just happens because of this.
01:07:31I've become the pie guy, because we always have the Wednesday show.
01:07:34And I'm literally running to the kitchen, and a timer goes off, because I got to pull
01:07:40one out of the oven.
01:07:41So I became pie guy.
01:07:43I'm new to baking, because my eldest daughter likes it, so we bake together.
01:07:46But I cook a lot, but pies are a thing.
01:07:51But I became the pie guy, and that's it.
01:07:53Got it.
01:07:54Yeah, so it's a Garden Report thing.
01:07:54I learn one good piece of lore every episode.
01:07:57Yeah, it's a Garden Report thing.
01:08:00So yeah, but it wasn't my best pie game.
01:08:03I will make it up for Christmas.
01:08:04I'm coming up with some real shit for Christmas, and I promise to share with everybody.
01:08:10But we've prattled on long enough, as we said.
01:08:13It's Friday.
01:08:14It's Thanksgiving weekend.
01:08:16People have stuff to do.
01:08:17There's reunions out there.
01:08:18You might be able to catch your buddies if you run out the door and head to the bars
01:08:23and do that.
01:08:24I know that that's a thing that happens a lot on Fridays and Thanksgiving weekends.
01:08:28If not, enjoy the rest of your weekend.
01:08:30We'll see you back on Sunday.
01:08:32As we said, check out Jack's Pod, and thank you to Jack for joining us.
01:08:35We do appreciate it, obviously.
01:08:37Always good to have Noah.
01:08:39And as we said, Jake and those guys are coming on right now for more basketball talk with
01:08:44First to the Floor and Celtics late night, so you want to check that out as well.
01:08:49Until Sunday, we are out of here.
01:08:52Thanks again.

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