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00:00:00Can you say hard hats, folks?
00:00:07Hard hats?
00:00:08Lunch pail, steel tool, boots?
00:00:09Anything short of a championship this year is a failure.
00:00:11Look at this boomer right here.
00:00:13You've just got so much talent here.
00:00:15Somebody said we need to apologize for Jalen.
00:00:17Can I pull the John?
00:00:18What are we apologizing for?
00:00:19What did we say?
00:00:20What did we do?
00:00:21Jimmy!
00:00:22This was the game that we didn't want to see.
00:00:41We make fun of the NBA Cup, the NBA Emirates, what's it called?
00:00:48The Abu Dhabi Special?
00:00:50Yeah.
00:00:52Abu Dhabi.
00:00:53He tries to get psyched about it.
00:00:58And Bobby, this is the back story on the Garden Report chat.
00:01:05When Bobby talks about this play-in tournament, he's talking like, here's the pool, and here's
00:01:13what they're going to do, and here's why they've got a good chance, and they've got to play
00:01:17this guy.
00:01:18And he's literally talking about it.
00:01:21This is a cake schedule for the NBA Emirates, and he's talking about it like it's real stuff.
00:01:26And Jimmy and I are like, dude, what are we?
00:01:28It's a game.
00:01:29It's a game.
00:01:30It's a regular season game.
00:01:31I have to make sure that the stakes didn't change.
00:01:33And sure enough, they didn't.
00:01:35So I will say this.
00:01:40But they're into it.
00:01:41This is what you and I conceded.
00:01:43We thought it was a joke.
00:01:44Players don't care, but teams get into it, and they want to win it.
00:01:48It seemed like the Hawks looked like they were in it.
00:01:50But John, on the other hand, it didn't look like the Celtics were into it.
00:01:55I'll tell you that.
00:01:56So if you're a team that won the NBA Finals, does the Abu Dhabi Cup really matter much
00:02:02to you?
00:02:03No.
00:02:04And I think the Celtics kind of showed that tonight.
00:02:06This is just another game to them.
00:02:07And actually, it was a bad game.
00:02:08It was even worse than a meaningful regular season game.
00:02:13You either want it, and you friggin' get after it, or you are not ready to compete
00:02:21for the NBA Emirates Cup, as the Celtics clearly are not.
00:02:24And honestly, I think changes have to be made.
00:02:27This is the type of loss where you have to look inward, Jimmy, and decide whether or
00:02:31not there's something rotten with the core of this team.
00:02:35Well, it starts with Joe.
00:02:36We're going to get into Missoula a little bit, too, because not a great Missoula game.
00:02:40And you've got to wonder if he's on the hot seat now after a performance like this.
00:02:44The opening night for the Cup, all eyes are watching, you know?
00:02:50All of the world is waiting for the NBA Cup, the champion, to host it.
00:02:58Quick side note on the NBA Cup, I kind of sneaky do love the Celtics court.
00:03:02I know it's wacky and wild.
00:03:03I like it, too.
00:03:04And super green, and I was nervous to finagle with the colors on my TV because it was freaking
00:03:09out.
00:03:11I kind of like the court.
00:03:12It looks like the line-stripe guy went a little crazy.
00:03:15But other than that, I like the court.
00:03:18There's about 17 different sports on that court lined up.
00:03:20You can play volleyball on it.
00:03:21You can do a number of things.
00:03:23This loss proves the Celtics championship was fraudulent.
00:03:27Right here.
00:03:28This loss right here, Jimmy.
00:03:29No, I mean, look, kidding aside, Jimmy and I both were not NBA Championship Cup people.
00:03:37We played in the Emirates Cup Play-in Tournament Cup, and then we turned on it because it really
00:03:43was fun and interesting, and I applaud the NBA for doing something fun and interesting.
00:03:48So I'm joking about it.
00:03:49I actually do think, you know.
00:03:51It was fun.
00:03:52It's fun because, well, like the point differential to me is what made it fun, and that's what
00:03:55people were crying about last year.
00:03:57It's like, ah, it's like running up the score.
00:03:58It's like, grow up.
00:03:59Yeah, they are running up the score.
00:04:01It's fun to do that sometimes.
00:04:03And it's not just being a jerk about it.
00:04:05It actually matters when you win by more points.
00:04:10So that's what I liked about it a little bit.
00:04:12And yeah, the players did get into it a little bit more, and there was kind of like maybe
00:04:16a European.
00:04:17They're trying to go for like the Euro style feel to it, right, like an in-season tournament
00:04:20like they do in these other leagues.
00:04:22But I'll tell you what, the Celtics aren't going to be playing in it for long if they
00:04:26play like they did tonight down the line.
00:04:31Well, look, look at the trend, right, Jimmy?
00:04:36And like, look, the Hawks are down a million people, but look at the trends here.
00:04:42They were better tonight, but you're willing to excuse a lot, right?
00:04:45Like you're willing to excuse like throughout the season, and like I know you're mad at
00:04:50me because I wasn't getting more mad at stuff last year, but I really did feel like they
00:04:54had their shit together and nothing was going to derail a championship run.
00:04:58But this is a new season, and things are a little bit different, and so you have to
00:05:02look at it.
00:05:03You can't just be like, well, Tuesday won, and you know, blah, blah, you have to kind
00:05:06of look what's going on.
00:05:07And like you're entering this game against a team that's missing like 40 guys, and what
00:05:14happened the last two games, 16-2 and 16-2 to start.
00:05:19So you're not waking up for games, and this wasn't necessarily the case tonight, but you're
00:05:24playing selectively, right?
00:05:26And you keep doing that, you're going to get burned, and they got burned tonight.
00:05:29They lost the game they absolutely shouldn't lose, because you can't pick and choose when
00:05:34you're going to play and when you're not going to play.
00:05:37And again, they kind of shut it down for periods of time in this game, and they let the Hawks
00:05:40take it to them.
00:05:41They were up 15 in this one, John.
00:05:43I mean, this was a game that was all-intensive.
00:05:45And then they were like, well, we're all set.
00:05:48Yeah, we're done.
00:05:49Yeah.
00:05:50I mean, I got to give the Hawks, as sleepy as the Celtics looked out there, I really
00:05:53do have to give this Hawks team credit, because they were all over the glass.
00:05:58They were all over, like, any little pass.
00:06:01The Celtics, if they didn't put enough, the Celtics couldn't get away with anything tonight.
00:06:08If their passes weren't as sharp as they needed to be, Hawks were getting a hand on the ball.
00:06:12They were tipping the passes.
00:06:14They were stealing a lot of turnovers, a lot of steals, a lot of second-chance opportunities,
00:06:2025 more field goal attempts for the Hawks tonight, John, because of all those offensive
00:06:26rebounds, second-chance opportunities, turnovers.
00:06:29Joe Mizzou has said it after the game.
00:06:30I don't know the exact quote, but he basically said, if your shot differential is that much,
00:06:35you know, you're going to have trouble winning that game.
00:06:37And sure enough, the Celtics proved that.
00:06:39But the Hawks, without Trey Young and a couple other guys, you see it sometimes with teams,
00:06:45you know, their superstar players gone, and it allows the other guys to kind of spread
00:06:48their wings and play a little bit more team ball.
00:06:50The Hawks played inspired basketball tonight.
00:06:52They didn't give up.
00:06:53Even when they were down double digits, they fought back, they hit some big shots down
00:06:56the stretch, and they've got some young, they've got some good young players on that Hawks
00:07:02team.
00:07:03Now, they're much more likely to win the NBA Cup than they are the NBA Finals, so maybe
00:07:08that has something to do with it tonight, and the Celtics have bigger priorities.
00:07:13But you can't take nights off like this and expect to come out, you know.
00:07:18This is a game where it means it should matter and mean more to the Celtics down the road
00:07:23that they lost it than if they won it, because it proves that you can't cheat your way to
00:07:29a, you know, number one seed, or you can't, you know, sleepwalk your way to an NBA title.
00:07:34You have a target on your back, NBA Cup game or not, if you don't play a full 48, and you're
00:07:40playing against, you know, an NBA team that is, you're going to lose that game.
00:07:43I don't care how talented you are, I don't care how healthy you are.
00:07:46Sometimes, but you're right, when they get away with it, they get away with partial efforts
00:07:51because they're that good.
00:07:52Tonight wasn't one of those nights.
00:07:55But if you, tonight was, this second half was, it was worse than a partial effort.
00:08:00I mean, you had Brown and White and really nobody else, and Brown, I got to give Brown
00:08:05credit, he did miss two free throws late in the fourth, but he made up for it after that.
00:08:10He had a big three, he had another two.
00:08:12Missed the game winner.
00:08:14That was a tough one off the inbounds, but, you know, they, you know, they forced the
00:08:19Hawks turnover to give themselves that last possession after the Hawks had taken the lead.
00:08:25So little good, a lot of bad in this one.
00:08:28You're going to have nights like this, it's, you know, obviously, you know, we all have
00:08:33them winning a lot of games this year, if you go back to our season preview and predictions,
00:08:38but there are going to be games, there are going to be games like this.
00:08:41And this was certainly one of them, you know, you gave the Hawks just so many opportunities
00:08:48to claw back.
00:08:49And they did.
00:08:50And they took the lead at the very late stages.
00:08:52Couple of things you want to question, Mizzou, you can.
00:08:54I thought the late game, some of the late game decision-making was questionable.
00:08:58Celtics had an opportunity for a two-for-one, didn't, you know, and I feel like they always
00:09:02go for the two-for-one.
00:09:03It feels like they always go for the two-for-one.
00:09:05They're addicted to it.
00:09:06Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:09:07And for whatever reason tonight, they had an easy two-for-one opportunity.
00:09:10I think they got the ball back with like 38 seconds or 40, close to, close to 40 seconds
00:09:16and just elected to not do it.
00:09:21And it came back to bite them.
00:09:22It really did.
00:09:23Here's a little Joe Mizzoula kind of echoing your sentiments, Jimmy, about, you know, just
00:09:27not really, not really, you know, basically just being outworked.
00:09:31They played more physical than we did and they got 20 offensive rebounds and forced
00:09:36us into 20 turnovers.
00:09:37So, you let a team outshoot you by the shot margin like that and you're not going to win.
00:09:44Yeah.
00:09:45Can you attribute to kind of just the carelessness with the ball?
00:09:49Their physicality, their ball pressure.
00:09:51Threw a couple of passes on our heels, their long, active hands, but just didn't, some
00:09:56of the reads were there.
00:09:57They just didn't connect on the passes, but it's a credit to their physicality and their
00:10:01ball pressure.
00:10:02How do you feel about the defense overall this year?
00:10:05We're third.
00:10:07We're actually third and expected.
00:10:11There you go.
00:10:12We're third.
00:10:13Bobby.
00:10:14Stats.
00:10:15Stats.
00:10:16Strategy, man.
00:10:17Scoreboard.
00:10:18Numbers don't lie.
00:10:19Yeah.
00:10:20That sums it up though.
00:10:21I mean, if you watch the game, you could just see the Hawks playing tough for basketball.
00:10:28Physical team, scrappy, pesky, all the words I like to use for a team that, you know, that
00:10:35I don't have it.
00:10:36If I'm an Atlanta Hawks fan, I'm looking for a hard hat tonight because this Hawks team,
00:10:45that was the definition.
00:10:46People ask, oh, what's the hard hat for?
00:10:48If you're a Hawks fan, you need to go get yourself a red hard hat because that was the
00:10:52definition of a hard hat win from a Hawks team, down guys, scrappy, but good young players,
00:10:58man.
00:10:59I'm telling you.
00:11:00Freaking Jalen Johnson had a great game.
00:11:03What's his name?
00:11:04Dyson Daniels.
00:11:05This guy, Dyson Daniels was all over the place tonight.
00:11:10Yeah.
00:11:11And, um, triple-double pie.
00:11:15Let me ask you this, Jimmy.
00:11:16The chat is in Doomer mode right now.
00:11:19Doomer?
00:11:20Yeah.
00:11:21They're freaking out.
00:11:22Why?
00:11:23Because of the loss and because of, because of habits, because of effort and because they're
00:11:28a little concerned.
00:11:29And I think it's fair.
00:11:30Like, look, you can take this tact, which I was kind of joking, you know, like, oh,
00:11:36you know, it's all over, you know, um, guys, I gotta tell you, I'm a poser.
00:11:42I'm not, my, my wife got this hat.
00:11:45We were shopping for my nephew.
00:11:46People are asking me about PSG and like mad about my allegiance.
00:11:50My wife, we were shopping for something for my nephew who's a big, you know, soccer enthusiast.
00:11:55And I like it too, but we were just on a store, you know, buying stuff for him because
00:12:01he likes a particular team.
00:12:02And my wife saw this hat and thought, oh, I like the colors and bought it for me.
00:12:06She likes the, what does she like?
00:12:09What does she like about the colors?
00:12:11Just like, I can't explain traffic cone orange or the, or it's red.
00:12:15It looks orange from here.
00:12:17Orange.
00:12:19I think it's clearly orange actually, if the chat can confirm that, uh, unless my eyes
00:12:23are wrong.
00:12:25So anyway, so no, just to answer the PSG stuff in the chat, it is fair.
00:12:32Like I said, as people right now are a little freaked out because they don't like what they
00:12:36see out of this team.
00:12:38Um, they don't like their, their, their think they're kind of just showing up and, you know,
00:12:43playing partial games.
00:12:44And I think it's fair to say like outside of the first three, four games, again, where
00:12:49they shot the lights out and that kind of, you know, cures all ills.
00:12:53Their team can't really get going or do much, uh, to you when you're just hitting 45% of
00:12:58your threes and shooting 60 a game.
00:13:00So, uh, outside of that, any concern about the patterns here, Jimmy.
00:13:07You live by the three that you die by the three tonight.
00:13:09It was more of an effort thing than, than not hitting shots.
00:13:11I mean, they shot 40% from three.
00:13:12They just allowed so many additional shots.
00:13:15Barbie's going to come on here too and tell you about how they got dominated on the glass.
00:13:20And that's, that's something that you could be concerned about.
00:13:23You know, as, as good as, um, you know, Kate has been, you know, he's, he's still getting
00:13:29better and he can't do it all.
00:13:30And they just don't have that interior presence, John.
00:13:34And I think teams are going to try to exploit that and teams that are big and teams that
00:13:38are physical are going to do just that.
00:13:40And they are going to maximize their opportunities and their second chance
00:13:44opportunities, and that's how they're going to combat the Celtics taking all those
00:13:47extra three point shots.
00:13:48So there might be a little bit of a blueprint, uh, forming against the Celtics team, but
00:13:52it's going to be on Missoula and that coaching staff to figure out ways to get more
00:13:56physical, to figure out ways to get more, uh, I guess, effective down low, especially
00:14:02on the defensive side of things.
00:14:04Uh, we knew going in that the five spot was going to be their weak spot, uh, on this
00:14:09team.
00:14:10And we thought, well, as long as they can just shoot the ball and I would score
00:14:13opponents, they'll be fine.
00:14:14Well, there's going to be games where that doesn't happen.
00:14:16Am I concerned to the point where it's like, no, I mean, it is what it is.
00:14:21It's, it's, it's a game.
00:14:22They lost, you know, they could go tomorrow against the Nets and win by 30.
00:14:25And I don't think anybody would bat an eye.
00:14:26So, um, these games are going to happen.
00:14:29It's, it's too, listen, nobody likes to, to, to hit the panic meter more than I do
00:14:34and try to manufacture something, something to care about.
00:14:38I'm not entirely there yet.
00:14:39I think the Hawks really just did put really just played with way more effort.
00:14:43And I think the Celtics, it's going to be, listen, if you want to be nervous
00:14:46about anything, it's going to be the fact that can the Celtics manufacture the
00:14:50effort and the, and the care for an 82 game season, we were texting about it
00:14:54earlier today, John, it's just too long of a regular season, you know, whether
00:14:57it's injuries, whether it's just effort, whether it's just like boredom, we're
00:15:01not even close to the dog days of the NBA season.
00:15:05We're not, we're not even close to it yet.
00:15:07So you can't use that as an excuse.
00:15:10Yeah, but it's, you know, a team coming off a championship and they know what it,
00:15:16they, they know what it takes to win a championship having just won one.
00:15:19So I'm sure that they understand that putting games together like
00:15:22this cannot become a trend.
00:15:25You can't get into these bad habits.
00:15:26I said it, you know, you can't just flip a switch in the playoffs.
00:15:29Right.
00:15:29So if we're talking about this and we're having similar conversations
00:15:32and at game 70 or game 60, then yeah, there's going to be problem.
00:15:37And I'm already going to have panic by then.
00:15:39But game 12, still figuring some things out.
00:15:43Still, still just, I do want to point out that Jimmy, that you got mad at
00:15:47me when I wasn't panicking over losses like this last year.
00:15:49I just want to point that out.
00:15:50It's too soon.
00:15:51I wasn't saying it.
00:15:52I wasn't saying it at game 12.
00:15:54I'm not panicked.
00:15:55I'm just saying that I think you got mad at me a little bit, but anyway,
00:15:58later in the season, I probably did.
00:16:00Yeah.
00:16:00Well, I don't, you know, I I'm over on blue sky.
00:16:03I'm less angry, Jimmy.
00:16:05I'm less angry now.
00:16:06I get a different tone.
00:16:07I get a different tone.
00:16:08That was also before they won a title.
00:16:10So like I was, this is blue sky, John.
00:16:12I'm not like angry Twitter troll.
00:16:14Yeah.
00:16:15This is blue sky, John.
00:16:16Is it all rainbows and blue skies over there?
00:16:19Puppy dogs and sunshine.
00:16:20No, I'm a happier guy these days.
00:16:22It's my, it's my, it's my social media Prozac.
00:16:25It's really loud over there.
00:16:27What's going on?
00:16:34No, I'm going to, I'm going to take you off the stage for a split
00:16:36second, um, because it is the Mike's coming in a little hot and it is loud
00:16:40over there, so we'll figure out those technical issues and get back to Noah
00:16:44in there because I want to, I'm curious.
00:16:47Huh?
00:16:47I wonder if it was the, um, AirPods mic that was, that was on.
00:16:50Cause that's how, that's how.
00:16:52Yeah.
00:16:52It did not sound like she's coming through on the mic at all.
00:16:55Um, um, so we'll fix that.
00:17:00We'll get, we'll get, yeah, nothing makes John angrier than bad, bad sound.
00:17:05Oh, it's my ADD brain.
00:17:08People like that have problems like noises, uh, loud noises.
00:17:13I get, you know, I have a, I have a volume threshold, Jimmy that like it,
00:17:19and it doesn't have to always be soft, but if something comes in just a tick
00:17:24above what I consider to be my volume threshold, I'm a, I'm a difficult
00:17:27person to be around, um, like this comment.
00:17:30Yeah.
00:17:32Yeah.
00:17:33Josue had to leave something behind.
00:17:34He left, he left Noah, his mic.
00:17:38Let's try it again.
00:17:39All right.
00:17:40I think this is literally the mic that he was better.
00:17:43Yeah.
00:17:43I think you were talking about your pause.
00:17:45Yeah, that's life.
00:17:46So Noah, Jimmy's Jimmy's a little mad.
00:17:49I'm not really mad.
00:17:50Are you mad?
00:17:51What, what, what happened?
00:17:52What happened tonight?
00:17:53Put your finger on like outside of the obvious, like, well, the Hawks played
00:17:57harder and they, they, they won, you know, 50 fifties, they killed them on the glass.
00:18:01But like, what's your, what are you looking at tonight?
00:18:02It's like, what, you know, this is how do you, how'd you lose this game?
00:18:08Yeah, this is a tough one because I haven't been concerned so far this season
00:18:12with some of the slow starts, some of the losses, um, this felt like maybe a step
00:18:20to a step further than we've seen in all this season, but nothing that we
00:18:23haven't seen in previous years.
00:18:24And so I guess the thing for me is like, if this is going to be the
00:18:27marquee loss of the year, you know, you have a few of those every year, but
00:18:33there are some trends that you're seeing, like just the way they're coming
00:18:35out the gate, this is like three or four games in a row now where they're just
00:18:38not coming out with the right intensity.
00:18:39Um, and so that's a little bit concerning, not, not to the point where
00:18:43I'm like, Oh, this team has dramatically changed.
00:18:45This is the exact same team that won the championship last year.
00:18:47Um, but you don't, you don't love the fact that they're consistently coming
00:18:50out a little bit lackluster or they've relied on Peyton Pritchard and
00:18:53Demetri Kata to bring in the energy these last few games.
00:18:55And it didn't really work this time.
00:18:57You know, this time it was kind of both route and then, yeah, they
00:18:59didn't deserve to win this game.
00:19:00So I thought Joe, Joe was very, I don't know if you guys had the pregame on
00:19:03the post game on, but Joe was very clear that they did not deserve to win this
00:19:07game.
00:19:07They were outplayed in every way.
00:19:08It gave all the credit to Atlanta.
00:19:10Um, and I think that's the only interpretation of this game.
00:19:12And this was one of those that it's either a sign of something bigger, or
00:19:15it's just one of those losses.
00:19:17You just want to forget about it.
00:19:18And we'll know in the next few weeks, this is an isolated thing or not.
00:19:22Yeah.
00:19:22Um, so my question is this, the chat is three.
00:19:26We haven't gotten into super game specifics here.
00:19:28Uh, it was very delayed, you know, what happened late in the game there as well.
00:19:32But, uh, the crowd is the chat that we got it.
00:19:36We're going to have to take a break here.
00:19:37We need to get Noah hard hat.
00:19:39Yeah.
00:19:40We're going to have to, yeah.
00:19:42What's it take to take that court down the NBA cup court.
00:19:45What's it take over there?
00:19:48Unbelievable.
00:19:49Yeah.
00:19:50I love you.
00:19:50No, we just can't hear you.
00:19:52No, sorry.
00:19:53No.
00:19:53Yeah.
00:19:53We're not hearing, uh, we're not hearing it.
00:19:56Well, I think the bull gang is overpowering the microphone, uh, right now.
00:20:00So we're going to have to either wait for the construction to end or relocate,
00:20:07but we will get them on as soon as possible.
00:20:09They got to just figure out it's something wrong with them.
00:20:12The mic is picking up way too many outside noises.
00:20:15Yeah.
00:20:16Yeah, no doubt.
00:20:17Um, we will get to the podium a little bit and we'll hear a little bit more
00:20:19from, uh, the other, uh, you know, the other guys in this game, but let me,
00:20:24let me, let me, let, let me go through the top targets here on the chat.
00:20:29Um, and just see whether or not you, uh, I just saw Bobby and his little hat
00:20:32walk through my screen here on the TD garden.
00:20:35There he is again.
00:20:36Backpack.
00:20:38Backpack.
00:20:39Um, uh, Tatum and Joe.
00:20:43Yes.
00:20:45Blame pie it.
00:20:47Oh, we're going to blame pie.
00:20:48Pull up the blame.
00:20:49We had the blame pie thing, don't we?
00:20:51I love that thing.
00:20:52I haven't seen it in a minute.
00:20:53Here we go.
00:20:55It can't be, it can't be a Jalen blame pie day.
00:20:59I know, but I don't see any other ones.
00:21:01No, Jalen doesn't.
00:21:03Jalen doesn't get any piece of the blame.
00:21:04Yeah.
00:21:05We got to get the blame pie back.
00:21:06Um, Oh, we have blame pies all over the place, but just the wrong one.
00:21:10Let's hear Derek white, by the way, let's, let's do some positive Derek
00:21:13without Derek white in the fourth quarter.
00:21:15This was a blowout.
00:21:16Let's listen to it in the fourth quarter too.
00:21:18He was very good in the fourth.
00:21:19Yeah, but white was ridiculous.
00:21:20It wasn't just the threes he was hitting.
00:21:22It was like, it was touching his hand and just flying out of there.
00:21:25He was unreal.
00:21:25Let's listen in on D white, 50, 50 balls.
00:21:27Seem like, and, uh, they just wanted to do a little bit more for us
00:21:33over here, D Derek, uh, last two games, you guys went down 16 too early.
00:21:39You had this game.
00:21:40Obviously it seems like the effort focus has been a little more selective recently,
00:21:45which is a little uncharacteristic for you guys.
00:21:48What, what has gone into that?
00:21:49I mean, our, our starts have been pretty bad.
00:21:51Um, so that's on us as a starting, the starting five.
00:21:56Um, but yeah, it's, it's not really like us to, to come out and, um, have to
00:22:01question our, um, like readiness, especially like the group we have.
00:22:08So, um, we gotta be better to start games for sure.
00:22:12Uh, Jason has said that human nature plays a role and that might be something
00:22:17everybody likes to talk about the championship hangover.
00:22:20Is there something about having one and coming into the season, knowing how long
00:22:25the season is and what, what the ultimate goal is that maybe makes you guys look
00:22:29past some of this, especially when they are, they're missing so many guys.
00:22:34Uh, I mean, I think when my guys are, are out, when other people are just
00:22:39looking forward to that opportunity and, uh, just playing wild and free and,
00:22:43um, shooting confidently and, uh, we just gotta up our attent level at the
00:22:51beginning of games and, um, just understand like, that's what teams are
00:22:54trying to do.
00:22:54And, um, I mean, we want to talk about last year all we want, but, uh, that's
00:22:59over with.
00:23:00We gotta be ready to go just to start every game.
00:23:03Derek, what broke down for you guys in terms of, and then this one, it looked
00:23:07like you got cross matched a lot, specifically inside of game one.
00:23:10And then this one, it looked like you got cross matched a lot, specifically
00:23:13inside against some bigger guys.
00:23:15Um, you know, what kind of broke down inside defensively for you guys?
00:23:20Uh, I just gotta be better.
00:23:23It's gonna be cross matches every game.
00:23:25I just gotta be better, um, personally.
00:23:28Um, but yeah, I'll just, I just gotta be better.
00:23:37Thanks.
00:23:40Bobby made Derek sad.
00:23:42Yeah.
00:23:42He has to be better now.
00:23:44Come on, Bobby.
00:23:45Trying Bobby.
00:23:46I'm sick, but Derek White's basically apologizing to Bobby there.
00:23:50Cross matches, match-ups.
00:23:53I know Bobby.
00:23:54I was there.
00:23:56Press conference is over.
00:23:59Damn it, Bobby.
00:24:01I was there.
00:24:04Yeah.
00:24:05Downer game, man.
00:24:06Derek White, Derek White.
00:24:08Not very much, uh, a guy who gets too high or too low, but that would say that
00:24:13the energy on the podium is fair for how this game went for them.
00:24:19Yeah.
00:24:23If they win this game, we're having a big conversation about how freaking
00:24:27awesome Derek White is and how he's like, and we still should be because
00:24:30he was awesome and also the Jalen Brown needed a win and tonight, again, too
00:24:35many turnovers for sure for miss free throws late.
00:24:38You can't ignore those, but also if he's not doing what he's doing
00:24:41offensively in this game, uh, and getting to the line, which was also
00:24:45really big, um, for him and again, 10 free throws well above his, you know,
00:24:49his season average, but you know, missed, missed a couple late comes
00:24:53back, you know, hits another three.
00:24:54Nice to see the three ball go down a little bit.
00:24:56He started one for four.
00:24:57He hit his last two to go three for six, you know, 14 to 22 from the field, 37
00:25:02points again, he was monster tonight, but you know, you're going to remember,
00:25:06you know, some of the other stuff that didn't necessarily go that way.
00:25:09Tatum I know is going to get a lot of flack because I, people didn't
00:25:12like his vibe and his effort, but I questioned how much pressure was on
00:25:16him to play with the ankle in this game.
00:25:19I think you could really use Lonnie Walker.
00:25:21I'm not going to lie, but, but, um, I questioned how much pressure there
00:25:26was, you know, the idea of the in-season tournament with back to backs
00:25:29coming off an ankle tweak would have been probably better for him not to play.
00:25:34So again, who knows, but we'll talk more about it.
00:25:37We'll get back to the podium in a little bit.
00:25:39Uh, and Bobby and Noah are going to be joining us real quick.
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00:26:52We are going to quickly check out Jalen Brown, uh, who's up at the podium right
00:26:58now, we're going to hear from Jalen physical, um, but me and JT and Noah,
00:27:04we'll hear from 20 turnovers as a team at 11 combined and some of the offensive
00:27:11fouls and, and whatever, but still just, we gotta be better secure in the ball,
00:27:16get into our space and, and we didn't do that tonight and it costs our team.
00:27:23Joe, what was your view on what happened with the inadvertent whistle
00:27:25when you had the steal there?
00:27:28What was the deal?
00:27:29What was your view?
00:27:29Like just trying to make a play, play all the way through the whistle.
00:27:33Um, you know, we had a inadvertent turnover, you know, for the opportunity
00:27:39to go to, to, to go up.
00:27:41Um, so just trying to make something happen.
00:27:44Uh, I guess he blew the whistle.
00:27:46Um, thinking that, uh, I was out of bounds, but I wasn't, I was able to get
00:27:51that, that still, but wasn't able to convert on the offensive end.
00:27:55You guys obviously set a pretty high standard for yourselves, but it does
00:27:59seem like this last week or two, you haven't quite been at the level you're
00:28:01used to, what, what kind of things are you seeing, you know, beyond maybe the
00:28:04starts just in general that you guys need to clean up a little more defense
00:28:08setting its own, you know, physicality, you know, uh, too many layups, I think
00:28:14we guarded the three point line.
00:28:15Well, um, just physicality switching, rebounding, stuff like that, um, that
00:28:20we got to, you know, night to night, we got to be great at, and, um, tonight we
00:28:26wasn't a few games ago, Joe talked about like embracing the chaos of the game.
00:28:31This felt like a pretty chaotic game.
00:28:32Like Atlanta made a point to make it chaotic.
00:28:35How do you, what's the difference between, I think it was a box game when
00:28:38he said it like in a game like that, where you're able to match that versus
00:28:40tonight, is it just, you know, what, what happened to happen?
00:28:42I think, yeah, just, I think mentally, um, we just was too careless tonight.
00:28:47Um, we expected to win too careless.
00:28:49Um, and it show, I think that the number one category show was that our
00:28:53turnovers uncharacteristic of us to have 20, 20 turnovers and under any
00:28:59circumstance, I just think that this display that, you know, we, uh, we
00:29:04wasn't in sync like we normally were.
00:29:06Um, so we gotta be better at that and, you know, I gotta be better at that.
00:29:11Jalen, you mentioned the defense inside guard in the room specifically, what
00:29:16have you noticed that Bobby keeps telling me he's going to be on in a
00:29:19second and he's keeps asking questions.
00:29:22Um, we switch, both things can't be true.
00:29:25No, we like, we can hear you and that'd be able to be able to switch, but you
00:29:30gotta rebound and you gotta, you gotta fight, um, some of those bigs, they
00:29:34got a lot of seals tonight, uh, Congo and, uh, Capella, um, did a good job
00:29:40offensive rebounding and sealing some of our, our switches and made us pay for it.
00:29:45And we just got to fight better.
00:29:47Um, we didn't, we didn't fight how we normally do tonight.
00:29:54Jalen, how do you increase that physicality?
00:29:56Like, how do you become the harder playing team all the time?
00:30:01It's just a mentality.
00:30:02Um, it's a mentality and this is a part of the journey.
00:30:07Um, but we got, uh, we got some stuff to clean up.
00:30:10We're not a perfect team.
00:30:11It's a new season.
00:30:12It's a new journey.
00:30:13And we're looking forward to embracing, you know, those, those moments.
00:30:17We're going to watch it.
00:30:18We're going to address what needs to be addressed.
00:30:20So we got to be able to move forward.
00:30:22Can't let it turn into, you know, a habit, you know, we got
00:30:26to be able to respond well.
00:30:27So, uh, we looking forward to film got a back to back coming
00:30:32up and I'll put it behind us.
00:30:33Um, but we don't learn from these situations, um, and we'll be better.
00:30:39So Noah, I'm going right to you with this.
00:30:42Nice.
00:30:43My least favorite, my least favorite press conferences are the ones
00:30:48where the word we is thrown around.
00:30:50Um, and it's not like I expect people to, we, we need to do this.
00:30:55And when people say, when people say we, oftentimes they mean other people.
00:31:01I'm not going to say who, but sure.
00:31:03I'll say we, but really I scored 37 points and I left it all out there.
00:31:07So I'm not really part of we, who is the we tonight?
00:31:11Who's who wasn't trying?
00:31:12Was it a true collective lack of effort?
00:31:15Lack of focus, the entire team going in and out?
00:31:18Was it pockets of different players?
00:31:21Like, where did you see the letdown tonight?
00:31:26Yeah, it's a good question.
00:31:27I will say, John, if you're not a big fan of we, you're going to have, you've,
00:31:29you've probably had a hard time with a lot of these press conferences, because
00:31:32I feel like it's the number one thing that, uh, self-explorers say I've been,
00:31:36I've been harping on it for a long time.
00:31:38I think it was worse when things were bad because we did not, we meant I'm
00:31:44looking around the room and I see a lot of guys not doing it much less.
00:31:47So obviously now that they've got a championship pedigree, but that we
00:31:51thing, when it pops up, I don't think people mean we, so yeah, it's been a
00:31:54hangup of mine for a while, but go ahead.
00:31:57Yeah, no, I mean, I think Joe said individual defense.
00:32:00I think it was almost, honestly, almost everybody tonight that
00:32:03there was lapsing and Jalen as well.
00:32:05Jalen had a really good offensive game as far as, you know, he scored 37 points,
00:32:09but he also had some lazy passes.
00:32:11He had some moments where he wasn't fully focused.
00:32:13He also had some moments defensively where he got burned.
00:32:16Um, he still, he had the best game of anybody.
00:32:17And I don't, I don't want this to be an anti, an anti Jalen crusade.
00:32:20And he did mention him and Tatum as well.
00:32:22Like he did say them by name, so I'm not really there, but it's like, I'm
00:32:26more curious in the observation.
00:32:27Did you think it was everybody?
00:32:29I think so.
00:32:30Yeah.
00:32:30I mean, that's kind of what I've been feeling about these starts in general.
00:32:33Tillman kind of got the brunt of the blame the other day, um, because he was
00:32:36in that starting group that struggled when they went down 16 to two, but that
00:32:39was just one out of the last four slow starts, um, if they're just not coming
00:32:43out the gate with the right intensity.
00:32:44And I think the reality is, is that this tends to happen when teams win a
00:32:48championship and come back the following year, like it's not, you don't just
00:32:51come back and not miss a beat.
00:32:53And, you know, typically this is something that happens early on.
00:32:56Um, and we were hoping that the Celtics team was going to be not like that.
00:32:59And I thought, I think that there was reason to believe that with Joe
00:33:02Missoula and with other pieces here with Jalen's intensity, like maybe they
00:33:05were actually going to avoid, um, that championship hangover, but it's
00:33:10kind of what you're seeing.
00:33:11I mean, he said it's a part of the journey and he's absolutely right, but
00:33:14this is the part of the journey where you're not Jalen Brown did just now.
00:33:18Just outside.
00:33:19Somebody said Tatum said something earlier, which I didn't see.
00:33:21Cause he hasn't gone to the podium yet about human nature
00:33:23regarding like the, the hangover.
00:33:25And that's why Brown was asked about it.
00:33:27I don't, I didn't hear him say that.
00:33:28I'm not sure.
00:33:29Tatum was in the locker room.
00:33:30So I'm not sure.
00:33:31Oh, I don't think there it is.
00:33:32I don't think he's doing the podium.
00:33:34Okay.
00:33:35Cause yeah, the idea of the human nature and the letdown, like it is, but like,
00:33:41should it be, you know, like I get it.
00:33:46I think there's a conversation to be had about like Tatum's defensive
00:33:48intensity at points this season.
00:33:50Um, the reality is, is that the other night, like Joe Missoula pretty
00:33:54much never calls out players.
00:33:55And the other night he did say, I challenged him at halftime to play
00:33:59better defense and then he did.
00:34:01And that was great.
00:34:02Um, and then Drew said in that same post game, we're a much better team
00:34:05when Tatum is playing good defense.
00:34:07So I think there's an element of like, he hasn't been always locked
00:34:10in on the defensive end this season.
00:34:11And I don't think it's unique to the season, but certainly that doesn't help.
00:34:15Um, I don't think it's just him though.
00:34:16I think Al has had lapses that are uncharacteristic.
00:34:19Um, Drew and Drew and Derek, I think have been pretty good, but Drew has
00:34:22had some elapsed some lapses as well.
00:34:23I mean, it's usually a contagious thing.
00:34:25I don't think it's one guy's completely locked in and then the other guy is
00:34:28defensive, you know, defensively locked out.
00:34:30Like, I think that it's, it's kind of the, as, as a unit, they really just
00:34:33haven't had the right intensity.
00:34:34Um, and that's why I felt like there's been certain moments of season where
00:34:37like Pritchard's come in and he's just given them that energy and then
00:34:39everybody starts to pick it up.
00:34:41Um, but you can't have one guy off the bench, come in and dictate that.
00:34:44Right.
00:34:44With Tatum, how much is it the offense defense thing?
00:34:47Because I really do feel like it goes hand in hand, you know, the, uh, the,
00:34:51you know, the old habits of, you know, can't get things going offensively
00:34:54or the shot isn't falling oftentimes, uh, translates to either maybe looking
00:35:00for a call or slump in the shoulders and getting a little bit late to get back.
00:35:04You know, how much of that was going on tonight versus how much do you think
00:35:07you might've been hobbled a little bit by his ankle because you know, he, he, he
00:35:11didn't have a good game in any regard, shooting the ball, the defensive lapses,
00:35:16as you mentioned, turning it over.
00:35:17I mean, it was just a really, really poor performance.
00:35:20Yeah.
00:35:20I thought the ankle looked like it bothered him late.
00:35:22He, he, he seemed to react.
00:35:25Yeah.
00:35:25I think you retweak it.
00:35:26Um, he missed his first four shots like badly, like front rim, like, you know, not,
00:35:32not like, Oh, just in and out or whatever.
00:35:34He looked really off to begin.
00:35:35And it's really hard to say if that's because of his ankle or not.
00:35:38Like, you know, only he knows if it was really, you know, if it was a
00:35:41big part of what he was feeling.
00:35:42Um, but once he retweaked it, I felt like he was kind of slow
00:35:45on a bunch of possessions.
00:35:46Um, I, I think, you know, I admire the fact that he plays through injuries.
00:35:49He's one of the most dependable superstars in the league.
00:35:52You have to credit, you know, you would pick that over anybody
00:35:54else from that standpoint.
00:35:55But I have felt over the years, like there's games where he just is a step
00:35:58slow and he's a step behind and maybe it'd be better if he just sat and
00:36:02somebody else played, um, like obviously the famous example of being game seven
00:36:05of the Eastern conference finals, where he was really like a liability.
00:36:08Um, this wasn't like that by any means, but I think sometimes like his desire
00:36:11to play, like he's not always at a hundred percent and, and he's not
00:36:14like somebody that you can't see that he's playing through something
00:36:17like you can sometimes tell.
00:36:18And tonight was one of those times where I felt like he, he seemed slow
00:36:21and maybe not early on, but I think once he re-aggravated the ankle, um,
00:36:25in particular, I felt like it was bothering him.
00:36:27Um, but I'll rewatch it and then I'll see if, if, if I think that that was
00:36:30the main, you know, pulper here, or if it was just a mindset thing, because
00:36:34there have also been games prior to the ankle injury where he and, and
00:36:37everybody else, I don't want to single him out.
00:36:38Cause I don't think it's really accurate to say that it's him specifically,
00:36:41but I do know that him and Jalen can set the tone and everybody
00:36:44else kind of follow suit.
00:36:45And with Jalen out, there were a couple of games where Tatum wasn't
00:36:47really setting the tone defensively.
00:36:49And, um, it was certainly, you know, kind of carrying over.
00:36:51But again, the funny thing is they, Jalen makes that last shot.
00:36:54Like we're still talking about how this game should never have been closed, but
00:36:59there were some good things that kept them in it because ultimately, like
00:37:01they only lost by one, right.
00:37:03Um, but because they lost to a team that they were so, so much more talented
00:37:06than so outmatched, um, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and,
00:37:10and so outmatched, um, you know, obviously that's not going to be the focus here,
00:37:14but it is kind of funny just to think about, cause it feels like a pretty
00:37:16disastrous loss yet they had a chance and Tatum had an in and out three pointer
00:37:20from the corner that had, he made that, that would advice the game.
00:37:22So a couple opportunities there that slipped through.
00:37:25I think it's a thing.
00:37:26They blew a 15 point lead too.
00:37:28I mean, this was a game that they really had no business losing, right.
00:37:32Even though, yeah, they had an opportunity to win it in the end.
00:37:34It shouldn't have ever got to that point.
00:37:36You were talking about slow starts earlier.
00:37:38We're also getting like full, full first quarter Tatum.
00:37:42Are these like, is this a coincidence or like, what's the connection between
00:37:48Tatum all of a sudden getting, you know, cause last year, you know, it was,
00:37:52yeah, but Joe's done this all year.
00:37:54No, I know.
00:37:55This was the first time in years that the two of them have played
00:37:58the entire first quarter.
00:37:59Brown doing it.
00:38:00Yeah.
00:38:00Yeah.
00:38:01It's not right.
00:38:03Yeah.
00:38:03Yeah.
00:38:03And we didn't know.
00:38:05Joe got funky.
00:38:05Joe got funky tonight.
00:38:06Things, he definitely mixed things up a little bit with the, how he, how he,
00:38:10you know, how he rotated and it definitely, definitely had mixed results.
00:38:16Yeah.
00:38:17And I, my interpretation of the first quarter thing again, I don't know for
00:38:20sure, but I think Jalen just had it going.
00:38:22He had like 16 points in the first quarter after really struggling
00:38:24for a couple of games here.
00:38:25And so I think he felt like, let me just let him ride this.
00:38:28He's been looking for some rhythm.
00:38:30He's missing games with injury.
00:38:31And then Tatum has been doing the first quarter thing.
00:38:33So yeah, it ended up being a little bit of an unusual sub pattern.
00:38:37I don't know that it necessarily made the difference, but I will say I always
00:38:40tally up the leading scores after each quarter and after the first quarter, it
00:38:44was like pretty much just Jalen and Jason had scored and nobody else had really
00:38:47contributed.
00:38:48And generally speaking with this iteration of the Celtics, like I don't think that's
00:38:51the best recipe for their success.
00:38:53And obviously Derek White got going later on, but as much as, you know, it's good
00:38:57that they're both putting up points.
00:38:58Like generally speaking, it's better when Drew Holliday and Sam
00:39:01Hauser's getting his touches.
00:39:02He hasn't been getting enough looks.
00:39:03I think there's just, you know, other signs that show the offense is functioning
00:39:07better more so than just their two points.
00:39:10I don't want to like, I feel, I do feel like the big, a big reason for this last
00:39:14night was just the dominance that the Hawks had down low on the offensive,
00:39:21obviously on the offensive glass and maximizing, you know, their opportunities
00:39:24and all that stuff.
00:39:25So I kind of feel like that that's the reason why I lost tonight.
00:39:28But I also feel like this was another game where I just didn't really notice
00:39:32Drew Holliday that much.
00:39:34And I don't know if that's something to be concerned.
00:39:36I'm not concerned about it, but is it something to like note that there's been
00:39:40a few games this year early on where, and again, he does a lot of things that don't
00:39:45show up in the stat, in the stat sheet.
00:39:46Right.
00:39:47And you have to really watch the game to see the effect.
00:39:48I get it.
00:39:49I get it.
00:39:49I do watch the games, but I still feel like it almost feels like he's missing
00:39:54a, like a half step in certain situations.
00:39:58Yeah, I didn't, I didn't, I don't feel like he's being like slow or anything,
00:40:01but he hasn't asserted himself as much as we saw during the playoffs.
00:40:04I thought like one of the most brilliant things that happened during the last
00:40:07year's playoffs is that Drew Holliday became like a 20 points per night threat.
00:40:10And there were losses earlier on where like, he wasn't really even being
00:40:13guarded, like I remember versus the Nuggets where they were kind of just
00:40:15letting Drew Holliday just kind of stand there and he didn't really capitalize.
00:40:18And everybody was talking about it afterwards.
00:40:20And so this might, he might have to wake up and reassert himself
00:40:24offensively as a threat because I do think that they are a much more dynamic
00:40:28team when he's looking for his shot.
00:40:30Um, and that was the key in the playoffs.
00:40:32Yeah.
00:40:32And just for, I mean, five, five attempts tonight, you know, two or five from the
00:40:36field, you know, he's, he's getting 30 minutes to game.
00:40:39Yeah.
00:40:39I mean, it was a bad signing.
00:40:41What are you going to do?
00:40:41You know, like a bad trade.
00:40:45And how much, how many chops did Hauser finish with?
00:40:48Hauser also was kind of a no-show tonight.
00:40:51He had three, but he made two of them.
00:40:53So again, he didn't get many up, but he's two or three from three, uh, in his 19
00:40:59minutes, Kate, I didn't get a single field goal attempt all night in his 21.
00:41:05Which is when I always keep my eye on, because I do think like when Hauser
00:41:09attempts eight, nine threes, it's a sign of a healthy offense.
00:41:13That's moving the ball guy.
00:41:15And when he gets three shots up, it's like, you know, he was two for three for
00:41:18night and maybe he could have had it.
00:41:19But, um, yeah, it just, it's not a good sign for them.
00:41:23Well, I mean, the Celtics did not play connected basketball tonight, 20 turnovers.
00:41:28You know, they let, they left a lot of, you know, they, they allowed the Hawks
00:41:32to score all those second chance opportunities.
00:41:34So they're not getting out in transition.
00:41:36It's the Hawks are getting back on defense.
00:41:38The Hawks are kind of running things the way they want it.
00:41:40So the Celtics can't do what they did when they're clicking on all cylinders.
00:41:44It's when they're getting out in transition, whipping the ball around,
00:41:48exploiting like a double team that, you know, on Tatum and finding the open guy.
00:41:53Noah hated my point.
00:41:54She's like, he sucks.
00:41:55I'm getting out of here.
00:41:56No, your point, your point is valid.
00:41:58We're going to be joined by Bobby in a little bit as well.
00:42:01Uh, jumping in here and, uh, and, uh, and given his insights on the game.
00:42:05Mr.
00:42:06Bobby, Bobby lockers, Bobby.
00:42:07He's not still, he's not still, uh, at the podium.
00:42:10That's Bobby ski hat.
00:42:12Yeah.
00:42:13Does he have a ski hat on right now?
00:42:15He did.
00:42:15Oh God.
00:42:17He's okay.
00:42:18The indoor ski hat.
00:42:19Did you see Joe Missoula was a Jeopardy question?
00:42:22No.
00:42:23What was the question?
00:42:24More than it might, might've been an old one that it made its way onto my feed.
00:42:28Um, but I'll, I'll pull it up and we'll throw it on the screen at some point.
00:42:32Um, but yeah, Missoula, Missoula was a cool.
00:42:37I bet you they got it wrong.
00:42:39There's no way the Jeopardy contestant got that one, right?
00:42:43No, it was, it was an easy answer.
00:42:44I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll pull it up later.
00:42:46Let's bring in this guy.
00:42:51Emo Bobby, huh?
00:42:53He's a man of many hats.
00:42:55I love this guy.
00:42:56Emo Bobby.
00:42:57Let's try that.
00:42:58No, it's not going to work.
00:42:59We can't hear them.
00:43:00I'm just trying different things here.
00:43:03Serious.
00:43:04None of these works.
00:43:05Yeah.
00:43:05We got it, John.
00:43:06Perfect.
00:43:08All right.
00:43:08That works.
00:43:09What's up?
00:43:10What's up guys.
00:43:12Bobby, what do you got?
00:43:14Yeah.
00:43:15Talking after this one and Brown definitive that, you know, they got to get better
00:43:21specifically on the defensive end right now, address some things he put it on
00:43:25himself and Tatum in this game with the turnovers took responsibility for this
00:43:29game and the way that it went.
00:43:31So, you know, among the people we talked to after the game, white Tatum and Brown,
00:43:36Brown, the one a little more forceful in terms of his, you know, urgency to get
00:43:41this thing right here.
00:43:42And it is defense right now to me.
00:43:44And this was obviously, I think a unique game where they're turned the ball over
00:43:48and they're giving up offensive rebounds as other factors.
00:43:51But I do think you've seen this build up here in terms of the amount of shots
00:43:55they're giving up at the rim, the efficiency with which they're giving up those
00:43:58locks.
00:43:59And I think some of it goes back to the obsession we talked about with them trying
00:44:04to take away threes at the beginning of the year.
00:44:05I think it took away from their interior defense.
00:44:08And then this one, what are you seeing?
00:44:09It's like Okongu against white and Capella going up against Jalen and just all these
00:44:15mismatches that they're giving up in the post that piled up as the game went on
00:44:18there.
00:44:19And yeah, this was kind of a weird game.
00:44:20Daniels hit some ridiculous ones in there.
00:44:22And again, when you're going in transition, I'm sure a lot of those shots at the
00:44:26basket are transition looks off turnovers.
00:44:29But this is something I've been talking about all year long is they're really
00:44:33uneasy rim protection.
00:44:34I know Drew Carter tweet out like the first five games it was 28th.
00:44:38The next five games it was first with Kata involved a little more.
00:44:42And Kata wasn't great tonight, but this was probably a game that called for a
00:44:47little bit more double big than we saw.
00:44:51Yeah, no, I think you're absolutely right.
00:44:52I mean, schematically, I still don't mind them giving up, you know, preventing more
00:44:57three pointers in favor of like maybe these layups, because at the end of the day, like
00:45:00they lost by one and they made so many errors.
00:45:03I mean, 20, 20 turnovers.
00:45:05The offensive rebounds, I feel like was the big thing.
00:45:07And maybe that is, you know, that is part of the defensive schemes a little bit.
00:45:10But curious what Jason Tatum said, because we had Jalen Brown over here, but we were
00:45:15speculating about what his vibe was in the locker room.
00:45:17You were there.
00:45:17Yeah, I mean, Tatum pretty even keeled as always said he should have caught the pass
00:45:22on the last play there.
00:45:24That was a weird play.
00:45:25Yeah, talk about his arm maybe getting grabbed.
00:45:28But he basically said, I got to catch that.
00:45:32And I feel the same way.
00:45:33It just bounced right by him from the replay that I saw.
00:45:36So other than that, I mean, I asked him about the rim protection, said he hasn't seen
00:45:40the numbers, but, you know, they can be better defensively and they just got to play
00:45:44better, though he did agree with Joe's assessment.
00:45:47And I do think for Joe, by Joe's standards, we got outplayed in every facet.
00:45:52It's pretty biting criticism from Missoula.
00:45:55Yeah, he wasn't going to say anything outside of that today.
00:45:57I feel like he was asked the same question, rephrased in a couple of different ways.
00:46:00And it was very clear.
00:46:01I mean, they were that was the reality.
00:46:03I was seeing people like just national NBA people saying this Hawks performance is one
00:46:07of the greatest all time underdog performances we've seen.
00:46:10Fifteen and a half, I think.
00:46:11And especially when you think about who they had tonight.
00:46:13Quinn Snyder pregame was like, I don't know how we're going to do this, but we're
00:46:16going to find a way to compete and just like hang in there.
00:46:18If you had told us at that point, like they're actually going to come out with a win against
00:46:21this like starting lineup that has won the championship last year.
00:46:25I mean, you know, he said we were down three quarterbacks effectively.
00:46:27So it was a really impressive performance from the Hawks.
00:46:30And I don't think Joe had anything to say other than we were literally outplayed in
00:46:33every facet because they were.
00:46:34Tatum also asked about the ankle, his health after this one.
00:46:38He said he's going to play tomorrow and, you know, he's good to go.
00:46:41So I did see him limping around a little bit.
00:46:43I know you asked about that, John.
00:46:44And specifically after the steal where he kind of fell back on the ground, I noticed
00:46:48him come up a little lame after that one.
00:46:50So I saw him impacted in this one.
00:46:52He started 0 for 4, right?
00:46:54It was a slow start offensively.
00:46:55It was a very dramatic 0 for 4.
00:46:57It's something to watch there.
00:46:58And I do think you had that my turn, your turn thing going between him and Brown and
00:47:02this one a little bit.
00:47:03And this was a great Brown game.
00:47:04I mean, he almost stole the game on the last possession.
00:47:06That was just ridiculous what he did there.
00:47:09And I thought I got a decent shot off.
00:47:10It was a tough one.
00:47:11What are you going to get going full court with five seconds left?
00:47:14So I mean, credit to Brown, who is okay in Milwaukee, but amazing in this one.
00:47:20And that's a good thing.
00:47:21Look, that double clutch.
00:47:23There was good defense there.
00:47:25There was a hand in his face.
00:47:26He had the double clutch and it wasn't, he got to a spot on that last shot.
00:47:29It's just, I think that little double clutch, he had to shoot it a little bit on his way
00:47:33down and it just didn't get, didn't get exactly the look that he wanted.
00:47:37But I, you're not going to argue with your best player going to one of his bread and
00:47:41butters, which is that foul line fade away.
00:47:45That's his spot.
00:47:46He got there, but the defense was decent.
00:47:48He had the kind of double clutch it and go, no, a quick question for you.
00:47:51You tweeted at one point in the game that, um, or you, or you might've blue sky did.
00:47:55I wasn't sure, but you did say that this was a, this was a tough watch tonight.
00:48:00Uh, and that you don't say that often.
00:48:02What was it that got you?
00:48:05What got me?
00:48:06I think at one point I was filming the game from like the sky, you know, the skyscraper
00:48:10view that I often film for.
00:48:12And it literally looked like it was in slow motion on the Celtics end.
00:48:15Like I was watching there just the way they're moving defensively, the way they're moving
00:48:18up the floor.
00:48:19You know, a couple of times there were turnovers where guys didn't do the Derek white, go back
00:48:23and try to contest and make the layup a little more difficult, kind of just gave up on the
00:48:27shot.
00:48:28So I think just, you don't oftentimes see this team come out with low effort and it
00:48:31wasn't low effort for 48 minutes and it certainly wasn't offered by everybody for 48 minutes,
00:48:34but there were uncharacteristic spurts of low effort.
00:48:38And then the offensive rebounds is just, it's just a tough watch sometimes when, you
00:48:42know, you just see two, three guys standing there and someone just comes in and we've
00:48:46seen this versus the Hawks a couple of times over the years.
00:48:48So it's become almost like they have a little bit of an Achilles heel for this team.
00:48:51I mean, Bobby and I were at Atlanta last year when they lost two in a row and both of them
00:48:54were pretty bad, let down games.
00:48:56Um, but yeah, that's, that's what kind of stood out to me was just the effort and then
00:49:00the offensive rebounding.
00:49:01Um, yeah, offensively it was like, you know, there were highs and lows, but Jalen put a
00:49:05pretty masterful performance together.
00:49:07Eric White saved them so many possessions where it was a broken play and then he just
00:49:10hit one of his kind of like patented three.
00:49:12So there were highlights, there were moments.
00:49:14Also the crowd, I would say it was one of the worst I've experienced in this building.
00:49:17Uh, I mean, South separate themselves at many points.
00:49:20The one play though, the alley, wait, wait, wait, why was it so bad crowd was dead.
00:49:26Yeah.
00:49:27I mean, it was an early tip.
00:49:28I feel like that doesn't help Tuesday night because you're only getting a high profile
00:49:34in season tournament games.
00:49:36Like this is the big money crowd, right?
00:49:38These aren't the real fans.
00:49:39These are the guys who paid premium dollar for these Saudi Arabia.
00:49:43Yeah, exactly.
00:49:44Like this is heavy money here.
00:49:46So yeah.
00:49:47Yeah.
00:49:48And I'll go, I'm going to go back, Jimmy, you said it a couple of shows ago, cater bringing
00:49:53a meanness, a toughness, a physicality, I'm going to keep going back to him in this game
00:49:57because I don't know why he wasn't, he did get that sub midway through the fourth quarter
00:50:02where it felt like maybe they were going for a little more room protection there.
00:50:05And I know Pritchard subbed in there too.
00:50:06So they got a little stint with that bench group.
00:50:08This is a tougher game for Pritchard where he's going to get attacked by the bigger guys
00:50:11on the Hawks.
00:50:12But Kate, I feel like had a, uh, a case to close this game out.
00:50:16And you know, they go with Horford, they go with the starters.
00:50:19I understand that.
00:50:20But the Hawks had no shooters in this game.
00:50:22Like no one who could hit a three Daniels didn't hit any, despite the crazy game he
00:50:26had reached the shade, can't shoot them Johnson's week.
00:50:29So across the board, you had opportunities to get Kate in there and play him off a guy.
00:50:33I mean, or Kongu, if you want to shoot 10 threes in this game, you should have let them,
00:50:37they got destroyed at the rim.
00:50:38And it's something to watch because obviously when Kate is on the floor, you're getting
00:50:42some good room protection there.
00:50:43And when he's not, and Joe said after the game too, they're a little small, they're
00:50:47a little vulnerable to the, uh, the interior scoring that other teams have thrown at them.
00:50:53I mean, I look back, they gave up 75% shooting at the rim to the bucks the other night.
00:50:58And again, they've had some good games.
00:51:00They've had some really bad games.
00:51:01So it's sort of been up and down the whole way.
00:51:03I asked Joe how he felt about the defense overall this year, and he did all with third
00:51:06thing.
00:51:07So, I mean, are we going to do this again?
00:51:09Like two years ago, like we're going to just keep throwing out the number instead of like
00:51:13what it looks like here.
00:51:14Which, which numbers?
00:51:15Oh, yeah.
00:51:16The, the Joe response, honestly, I, I look, I, I hate that answer.
00:51:23Hate it.
00:51:24Hate it.
00:51:25Hate it.
00:51:26Hate it.
00:51:27It's just, it's just, it has nothing to do with it.
00:51:29It doesn't really mean anything.
00:51:30Guys, we're going to take you off for one second cause we're just tweaking something
00:51:33behind the scenes, but yeah, Jimmy, I'm going to talk about that cause it was a Bobby question
00:51:37and a, you know, a little terse Joe answer there of, you know, the, well, we're third
00:51:43in the league.
00:51:44I, I hate that defensive stuff.
00:51:46Like he's right ish, you know, but like there's so much more to it than a final number, uh,
00:51:54what it comes down to.
00:51:55It's ultimately like, do you think you're playing to your best capabilities?
00:52:00Like here's the thing.
00:52:01If Joe is not acknowledging trends either, it's just a, it's a pointless defensive answer
00:52:06because if Joe Missoula can acknowledge that they, that they played poorly, um, like the
00:52:12entire game and that they got out hustled and outworked every step of the way and that
00:52:18it's happened, you know, at times before, there's no reason to get defensive over that
00:52:23particular question and, and, and, and, and tout the, uh, yeah.
00:52:27All I asked was how do you feel about the defense this year?
00:52:30And it was, Oh, number three.
00:52:31Yeah.
00:52:32We were watching.
00:52:33Yeah.
00:52:34We watched it.
00:52:35Yeah.
00:52:36I mean, I do think they've been okay on that end this year.
00:52:40Again, they've had good games.
00:52:42They've overall again, ranked third or third, I guess.
00:52:45I haven't looked at that, but I guess that's where they are.
00:52:49The interior is a problem.
00:52:50Would you agree, John?
00:52:53Yeah.
00:52:54I mean, look, but you know, it's going to be a problem.
00:52:55Like you're really only consistent rim protector who was playing minutes last year as Porzingis.
00:52:59So you knew you're going to be challenged in that regard.
00:53:02All season long, you get flashes from Kata, but then you also get like Kata from Kata,
00:53:06you know, like he's gonna, you know, he's got his lapses.
00:53:09It's not going to be perfect all of the time.
00:53:11And this was one of those games where it wasn't perfect.
00:53:13He had a couple of blocks early and I think his presence was felt, but you, you saw the
00:53:17numbers that you put out there.
00:53:18I can't remember who tweeted them or put them out there.
00:53:20Brian Barrett might've taken them from someone else, but the rim, the rim protection numbers
00:53:25and the interior field goal percentage for teams from, you know, pre, you know, pre-Kata,
00:53:30post-Kata are pretty significant.
00:53:33So again, this might've been more of a one-off.
00:53:36There has been an improvement in terms of them being able to defend the, you know, defend
00:53:41the paint since he started playing a little bit more.
00:53:45At the very least, like people know he's back there.
00:53:47So he's definitely a deterrent, even if he's not actually altering shots or, or getting
00:53:51a ton of blocks.
00:53:52So I don't know, I don't know if it's a problem.
00:53:56I think they have actually addressed it as, as well as they possibly could have by putting
00:54:00him in there.
00:54:01And I think that's one of the reasons he's in there right now.
00:54:02You'll live with some imperfections to have a guy back there who people have to kind of
00:54:06be a little bit concerned about.
00:54:08Yeah, no, and not to do, not to go there, but if you didn't feel good about him in spots
00:54:14in this game, maybe it's a Cornette game.
00:54:15Again, they had no shooters on the Hawks side, apologetic about having to say that
00:54:22again, go ahead and say it.
00:54:27No, you can say it.
00:54:28You can say it.
00:54:29You can say it either way you want to go, but yeah, but I think they needed to play
00:54:34a little bit bigger in this game.
00:54:36And I, I, I sent the numbers, the Cato numbers, they're really better across all areas defensively
00:54:44when he's out there, except the defensive rebounding.
00:54:47So maybe that wouldn't have helped much in this game, given that that was a major part
00:54:51of this one.
00:54:52So I'll acknowledge that.
00:54:54But I just feel like, I don't know, like if you were to go to any like second guesses
00:54:58in terms of adjustments or things they could have done differently in this game, that's,
00:55:01that's what I'm pointing out.
00:55:03More Luke, more Luke, more size in general, whether it's Luke or Cato.
00:55:07Yeah.
00:55:08I mean, honestly, I don't think that it was, we're just as done as you are.
00:55:11I want to hang that one in the loop right there, defensive issues best tonight was Joe
00:55:15saying it didn't matter if it was a small, a big or a medium, they were scoring layups
00:55:20on us.
00:55:21Yeah.
00:55:22That's the truth.
00:55:23Honestly.
00:55:24Like, you know, sure.
00:55:25Prisinghas would have helped because I think Prisinghas is in that massively underrated
00:55:27room protector and he bails everybody else out.
00:55:29He's going to solve a lot.
00:55:30He's going to help a lot.
00:55:32But I don't think this was a Cato thing.
00:55:34I don't think this was an Al thing.
00:55:35I don't think it was any one guy.
00:55:36It was, everybody was getting beat all night, uncharacteristically so, and it's just going
00:55:41to throw everything off.
00:55:42And I don't want to bail Joe out either.
00:55:43Like, again, I'll be watching this game and then maybe it'll, maybe I'll change my mind
00:55:46on this, but from just watching it the first time around and being here, like it didn't
00:55:50look like a one person adjustment that would have fixed things.
00:55:54So is that where we are, John, already, the malaise, the low of the season?
00:55:59I mean, we've had a few Tatum games recently that I think you could qualify as that.
00:56:03And even, you know, going down 16 at Milwaukee and, you know, just some of the Nets game,
00:56:07the down all game, like are they in that stage already?
00:56:11Sadly, yes.
00:56:12It's been building a little bit, right?
00:56:14Because I mean, you go, you got back to back games where you don't show up at the start,
00:56:18you go down 16 to two and again, your talent wins out hugely.
00:56:23But like, you can't not recognize that that's not a great way to start games.
00:56:27Again, we're not talking about, oh my God, this team's in a, you know, they've completely
00:56:34lost focus and it's going to be this way all year.
00:56:37But the concern, as we've seen in past iterations of this team is this notion of flipping the
00:56:43switch.
00:56:44You don't want to fall too far into that habit of like, okay, we really know it doesn't matter
00:56:50because it really doesn't matter for this team, the regular season, because you know
00:56:54where they're going to be at the end of the season, but you can't always turn it on and
00:56:58off.
00:56:59You do need good habits.
00:57:00And again, part of what made them great last year was that they didn't have a lot of games
00:57:05like this.
00:57:06If they did, they might've had little bumps that were one in two games of like inconsistent
00:57:10effort and then they came back with a vengeance.
00:57:11So any of the quote narratives that people like to run with about what type of team that
00:57:16they were when they were, you know, criticizing them, they would beat them back.
00:57:20So resoundingly, not only would they like, you'd have a game, they didn't have a three
00:57:26game losing streak.
00:57:27Right?
00:57:28No.
00:57:29I mean, that Hawk series is a good example.
00:57:31Sure.
00:57:32But not only, but like, not only would you have not have a, you know, a game or two where
00:57:35their performance would be inconsistent or a small stretch, then they would come back
00:57:38and rip off like 12 straight games where they just destroyed.
00:57:43So like it was never anything you can get worked up about.
00:57:48This is, I mean, you can say like, they haven't really had a lot of complete efforts since
00:57:51the first three or four games of the season.
00:57:54And that's not awesome.
00:57:56You'd rather they be able to quickly snap themselves out of it and come back with like
00:58:01a dominant full on, you know, strong effort, bounce back performance.
00:58:05You're just getting it in flashes, you know, in the games, but not, you're not getting
00:58:10full 48s out of them right now.
00:58:12And I do think the bench is part of it, Noah, because Pritchard's given you a great boost
00:58:16in those minutes.
00:58:17This is a game where you did.
00:58:18There's always a savior.
00:58:19Right?
00:58:20Yeah.
00:58:21Someone's bailing them out.
00:58:22Yeah.
00:58:23We threw that quote out there.
00:58:24Last segment we did is he, she says, when the stars don't have it, I got to come in
00:58:28and the bench has to come in and bring that energy.
00:58:31Like whether it's the injury or just a slow start to the year that hasn't been a boost
00:58:35for you.
00:58:36And then you've lost Luke effectively here with Kata, you know, rising, and he's been
00:58:39a big boost for you in spots.
00:58:42The bench unit hasn't been that consistent force or the driver when they're shorthand
00:58:47and they've won those games and spots this year, but it's going to be interesting to
00:58:50see tomorrow.
00:58:51Like with Horford out, who knows if Tatum actually plays, I know he said he was gonna,
00:58:55but you know, if you are shorthanded against this Nets team that almost pulled it off last
00:58:59time against you, you could be in a tough spot where the bench really has to come through
00:59:03again.
00:59:04So they're still getting a feel for things, right?
00:59:07Obviously, like we talked about, and it hasn't been a huge thing to start this year, but
00:59:11our biggest concern, or at least my biggest concern is that you didn't have poor Zingas
00:59:15in spots last year, like maybe two, three, four game stretches.
00:59:19And then of course you didn't have them for the playoff run, but you could play Horford
00:59:2340 minutes to make up for it.
00:59:25Now that you can't quite do that or you can't quite get that like full burst from the starters
00:59:29and playoff mode, it's tougher not having poor Zingas for 10, 11, 12, 13, 15, 20 games,
00:59:35however long this is going to go on here.
00:59:36So I actually think you're starting to feel that loss a little bit right now.
00:59:39Yeah, you are.
00:59:41I think we're going to learn a lot about this team over the next few days because this was
00:59:44a really uninspiring portion of the schedule.
00:59:47Yeah, we had, yeah, we had Brooklyn, Atlanta, we have Brooklyn tomorrow, we have Toronto
00:59:51this weekend.
00:59:52I don't think this is the stretch that guys are getting up for.
00:59:56But the important thing about being a good team is that you win the games even that aren't
01:00:00the most exciting.
01:00:01And so this, you know, in a way, it's probably, I don't want to be Joe Mazzuola here, but
01:00:05it's probably for the best that they lost in the sense that like they've gotten away
01:00:08with some bad habits, they've gotten away with some slow starts.
01:00:11We've praised them, I've praised them for being able to overcome those slow starts and
01:00:14kind of a lot of things not going their way.
01:00:17But ultimately, like this, that's not a sustainable way to go about your season, especially the
01:00:21teams that they were falling down to.
01:00:22It's like there was no reason to be down 16 to 2 to Brooklyn and 2 to Milwaukee.
01:00:26And so we'll see if this is the Celtics team that we know from last season, like they'll
01:00:31win by 25 tomorrow in Brooklyn.
01:00:33Like that's what I expect, honestly.
01:00:35I'll be surprised if they come out with low energy, low effort tomorrow or even any shades
01:00:39of today's game.
01:00:40So we'll see.
01:00:41But I do think these next few games are going to kind of answer this question of like, is
01:00:44this indicative of something more concerning or something larger about this team?
01:00:47Or is this just, you know, it happens and every single season we can appoint to every
01:00:51championship team, there's always like a couple of losses where you're just like, how did
01:00:55this team lose to that group over there?
01:00:57Yeah.
01:00:58And you know, we're always going to mention the threes as part of it, John.
01:01:01But we talked about a couple of games ago, that five, six games starting to add up when
01:01:05they're not quite shooting the same and then they got back to it.
01:01:08It's a night and loss never happens.
01:01:11Yeah.
01:01:13Losing when they shoot 40% is a rarity, obviously, here in the Joe Mazzuola era.
01:01:21So they got the threes, they just, again, those second chance points to get beat up
01:01:25on the glass.
01:01:26Every time I feel bad about things with the Celtics, I go over and I check out, recently
01:01:30at least, the Portland Trailblazers box score.
01:01:33And it's nice to see, again, Rob Williams coming off the bench, five minutes, two for
01:01:38three field goals, four rebounds, one assist, two blocks.
01:01:41Wow.
01:01:42He's back.
01:01:43He's back.
01:01:44In five minutes.
01:01:45In five minutes.
01:01:46That's Rob's stat line.
01:01:47That's what he would always say.
01:01:48And he's out for two months.
01:01:50And he's out.
01:01:51No.
01:01:52Jimmy.
01:01:53No.
01:01:54Don't say that about our guy.
01:01:56We need a full season from him.
01:02:00I need it.
01:02:01But anyway.
01:02:02That's what we need to see.
01:02:03Yeah.
01:02:04Available on Band.
01:02:05Shout out to him.
01:02:07Bandon also having a nice start to this game.
01:02:10Wanted to talk about it real quickly, Joel Embiid made his NBA, his season debut today.
01:02:16Oh.
01:02:17Oh, wow.
01:02:18Not great.
01:02:19I didn't catch it.
01:02:20I didn't get to watch it.
01:02:21Did almost nothing in the first half, shot only three field goals in the first half,
01:02:26finished 26 minutes, two for 11, 105 from three, a minus seven, 13 points on the game.
01:02:34Not a great start as the Sixers got run by the New York Knicks.
01:02:39Bobby and Noah's team, they were scared of the Sixers this year.
01:02:43Is it possible we've got the East wrong this year?
01:02:46Is it possible everything is wrong?
01:02:48Before the year, it was Knicks, Sixers, Bucks, Celtics.
01:02:52Everyone else can go screw.
01:02:54Completely upside down right now in terms of teams.
01:02:57You've got- I know.
01:02:58Who knows who could grab those titles?
01:03:00Who knows?
01:03:01The Knicks are still there.
01:03:02Who has?
01:03:03No, I'm not making team predictions anymore because mine are all wrong.
01:03:06I pride myself on being good at predictions, but I realize it's limited to the Celtics
01:03:10because I do think when you're looking at this landscape, the fact that the Cavs are
01:03:1412-0, it's like the same thing as last year where the Timberwolves just made their massive
01:03:17jump or the Thunder.
01:03:20It's so hard to see these things coming and then once they're there, it's like, obviously,
01:03:23I'm looking at this Cavs team and I'm like, why wouldn't they be one of the best teams?
01:03:26They just have all the pieces you need and they just weren't that.
01:03:29It was Mobley.
01:03:30Yeah.
01:03:31Mobley underwhelmed immensely to start his career offensively and now he's finding himself
01:03:36on that end.
01:03:37Yeah.
01:03:38And the tail end of the Celtics series there and not to do the easiest run everything,
01:03:43but I think you got the Pacers best punch.
01:03:45You got the heats, you know, no Butler, so that's no Jared Allen and, and, and, and half
01:03:51the series.
01:03:52No Mitchell and Allen.
01:03:53You're really not playing the real Cavs there.
01:03:55So that was, that was a series that I don't think is indicative of how you're going to
01:04:00play them this year.
01:04:01If you meet up with them and Bobby, I remember you saying the people you were talking to
01:04:06within the Celtics organization last year, heading into the playoffs of all of the teams
01:04:11were saying, where's the potential landmine here?
01:04:13They thought Cleveland was it?
01:04:14Yeah.
01:04:15That was last year.
01:04:16Yeah.
01:04:17Two years ago, their numbers said the heat are dangerous and they ended up losing to
01:04:21the heat.
01:04:22So the Cavs were that team last year, but they weren't healthy.
01:04:24And now, you know, you look at obviously Allen being back and Mitchell being back at full
01:04:28strength.
01:04:29And Garland's a different player than he was last year.
01:04:31But even Ty Jerome shooting, like shooting the lights out here, you know, Ty Jerome's
01:04:35a nice piece, a guy who can handle, shoot and play some guards slash forward minutes
01:04:39for you.
01:04:40So they're great.
01:04:41And the coach is amazing.
01:04:42I mean, you look back at his Nets days and Warriors days, and he's just, he's great.
01:04:46He's transformed that team.
01:04:48Let's end on a couple of positive notes, Jalen Brown, again, a couple of incompletes in this
01:04:53game, just in terms of missing a couple of free throws late in the turnovers a little
01:04:56higher than you would like to see, but he had a monster game and he needed it bad.
01:05:02So it was really good to see that.
01:05:04And then, you know, Derrick White in that fourth quarter and just not just the threes
01:05:07he was hitting, the way he was hitting them, just ridiculous.
01:05:10This was like the ball was touching his hand and it was gone and just splash, splash, splash.
01:05:16And again, every time you see Derrick White, I asked myself, like, how can you keep, how
01:05:24can you be underrated year after year after year?
01:05:27Like he keeps doing something amazing and impressing everybody.
01:05:31And they're like, oh, he's really, really better than we thought.
01:05:34And then he's still underrated.
01:05:35And then he's like, like, you have to start talking about Derrick White is like among
01:05:39the 20 best players in the NBA and not like this nice extra piece that the teams have
01:05:44here.
01:05:45Brown, we know is good.
01:05:46And Brown's kind of made that little bit of leap.
01:05:47But Derrick White is just, when, like, you almost want him to, at this point, he absolutely
01:05:56is.
01:05:57And I do wonder with Brown's slow start and missing a few games, if he's knocked himself
01:06:01back out of that pack a little bit.
01:06:03And D. White is the second all-star and we'll see how that goes because the numbers are
01:06:06always going to.
01:06:07Anyway.
01:06:08Team USA all over again.
01:06:11Team USA.
01:06:12Oh, I can't wait for the emojis if that happens.
01:06:14But yeah.
01:06:15But, I mean, both of those guys, outstanding.
01:06:18I mean, you know, Brown needed it because he had had a really rough start to the season.
01:06:23Yeah.
01:06:24Yeah.
01:06:25And you need guys to be able to carry you for stretches.
01:06:28Tatum, not quite himself in this game, especially at the start.
01:06:32You needed ball handling and shot making on the wings and all that.
01:06:35So they came through, wasn't enough.
01:06:38And just, we'll see, again, Noah said it, we'll see how this extends to the next couple
01:06:43games here.
01:06:44And that'll tell us a lot.
01:06:45But in this case, super uncharacteristic.
01:06:47They only turned the ball over 20 times once last year.
01:06:51So they do it again here.
01:06:53Is this going to be the only time we see this this year?
01:06:55They controlled the ball pretty well this year.
01:06:57I think that they can put that to rest.
01:06:59But rebounding, interior defense, that's something I'm keeping a very close eye on
01:07:04the start this year.
01:07:05And it's a vulnerability of theirs for sure.
01:07:07Yeah.
01:07:08I mean, I think some of the turnovers were pretty perplexing.
01:07:10Like, again, I don't want to be a broken record, but I really want to rewatch it because
01:07:13some of them were like, like, like the last pass from Drew Holliday to Tatum.
01:07:16I don't know why he couldn't catch that from our angle.
01:07:19It was so confusing.
01:07:20And there were a lot of plays like that where it was just a missed conversion, you know,
01:07:24and if you're Joe Mazzuola, I don't know how you even like process those.
01:07:27It was just the teeniest bit.
01:07:29Like I watched it a couple of times.
01:07:31It was just the teeniest bit of lean where Tatum, I think, was at that moment just kind
01:07:36of digging into a spot.
01:07:38And I think they thought the pass was just that he was going to flash out or pop out
01:07:43a little bit.
01:07:44So that was it.
01:07:45It was literally momentum because it was within his reach.
01:07:47But at that exact moment, he was just, just moving his momentum, moving back just a little.
01:07:54And he couldn't get back out there because he was, he was starting to pull, he was starting
01:07:58to work deeper into the post for the catch and it went a little bit outside of his reach.
01:08:04Yeah.
01:08:05It's funny that that happens because how many times have we complained about him launching
01:08:08a three?
01:08:09Yeah.
01:08:10We're like, get into the post and do your work from there.
01:08:12And I think he was trying to get positioned and working for his position and putting his
01:08:16weight back.
01:08:17And it was just out of his reach there, which was, which was too bad.
01:08:22As much as they draw complaints all the time, it's a clean shot that you can get off.
01:08:26So you'd rather get a shot off there.
01:08:28Yeah.
01:08:29Last thing I want to mention, just because I, you know, it's probably a person that wasn't
01:08:34on a lot of people's radar.
01:08:36I mean, coming into this game, but holy Dyson Daniels, man.
01:08:40Yeah.
01:08:41Like, wow.
01:08:42They got a haul for DeJounte Murray.
01:08:45Wow.
01:08:46The Lakers pick.
01:08:47Yeah.
01:08:48Yeah.
01:08:49I've been seeing, I've been seeing Pelican's Twitter talking about him, not happy about
01:08:53what they're seeing.
01:08:54And he, he, uh, he went at them when they played them and like was firing shots at their
01:08:58bench when he hit a big shot in that game.
01:09:00I heard, uh, my guy, Kevin Canard down there told me he had seven steals last game and
01:09:05six tonight.
01:09:06Yeah.
01:09:07So Daniels has, Daniels has something like 36 steals on the year.
01:09:10I thought I saw the stat and the next person's closest player has 20 something and he had
01:09:14six tonight, seven the other night.
01:09:16So, I mean, and he's got deflecting balls, like he's holy crap, like he's some tough
01:09:22layups too.
01:09:23That last one he hit just hung on the rim and roll then it was impressive what he did
01:09:28in here.
01:09:29Yeah.
01:09:30Yeah.
01:09:31So whatever hat tip there, you know, you want to, you want to not just make every single
01:09:35loss about the Celtics, you know, played like shit.
01:09:38Um, this was, uh, there was now they have the upper hand in this NBA cup.
01:09:42Oh yeah.
01:09:43So let's get down to it.
01:09:44Bobby, what does this?
01:09:45You're the only person on the planet who understands and cares and processes this.
01:09:50What does this do for their, for their Emirates cup chances?
01:09:54Like, uh, how, how much does this loss screw them?
01:09:58Well, fortunately only lose by one.
01:10:00So if it does go to tie breakers, which it probably will, if you have a loss, you can
01:10:04overcome that.
01:10:05But now you're going to have to run up that scoring differential and all these remaining
01:10:08games and probably win all these remaining games.
01:10:10If you lose to the Cavs, it's going to be looking pretty dicey.
01:10:13Damn.
01:10:14Yeah.
01:10:15No, I mean, you definitely don't want to start off with, with a loss, especially to that
01:10:19team.
01:10:20Like, I think honestly a big thing here is just how impressive that team's performance
01:10:24was like just on their end, unrelated to the Celtics.
01:10:27But with the Cavs in this group, like early on when they assembled these groups, I was
01:10:30thinking this is a pretty weak group, but I didn't know the best team in the NBA was
01:10:33going to be in it.
01:10:34So I mean, the Cavaliers have been, they've been winning in every single way.
01:10:38And so they're going to be a tough matchup and, um, yeah, you don't want to start off
01:10:43this way.
01:10:44Yeah.
01:10:45It doesn't bode well for their hopes.
01:10:46And I can't tell if they really care about the cup or not.
01:10:47I don't think they do.
01:10:48People keep asking me this.
01:10:49I can tell.
01:10:50They don't care?
01:10:51Yeah.
01:10:52I think it's safe.
01:10:53But do you remember last year they were fouling on, they were fouling to run up the score
01:10:57and they were cheering in the locker room when they made it.
01:11:00And I was like, okay, they care a little bit about this.
01:11:02Yeah.
01:11:03It's been mixed signals.
01:11:04I don't, it's tough to tell.
01:11:05I don't think they care.
01:11:06I'm leaning no based on today.
01:11:07It's the, it's the, it's, they don't care when they lose, but they care when they win.
01:11:11So you, it's a too cool for school attitude.
01:11:14If you're losing like, well, whatever, it's just a game, regular choosing game.
01:11:17But when it gets down to it, we saw, we saw exactly how much they cared.
01:11:22They, they, there was a little extra intensity and a little extra effort in those games.
01:11:26And then that locker room reaction.
01:11:27So you know, it, I mean, ultimately somebody is moving on ahead of you and there's a bit
01:11:34of ego involved in it.
01:11:35And I think that trip to Vegas is also fun, but like, and the money is nice.
01:11:40So they care when it's close, but they can write it off as not a big deal if they fall
01:11:44short and that's what they're going to do if they stumble in any other of these games
01:11:48heading into the, you know, to the, to the elimination round.
01:11:51They failed to get the money for Luke last year, because he said he was going to pay
01:11:54off his mortgage and he didn't do it.
01:11:56So now this time around, they got to get it for him.
01:12:00And it's more money this year than it was last year.
01:12:01It's almost more than twice as much, I think.
01:12:04Do it for Luke.
01:12:05Yeah.
01:12:06Well, again, that's, that's that with this game.
01:12:10Celtics lose the first game of the NBA, Emirates, Emirates, Emirates NBA cup or NBA Emirates
01:12:19cup?
01:12:20You're asking me?
01:12:22One of those?
01:12:23In-season tournament?
01:12:24In-season tournament.
01:12:25It's not the cup.
01:12:26I'm just saying, I'm talking ISP.
01:12:27Should I drop the ISP?
01:12:28Is that over?
01:12:29It's the cup.
01:12:30It's the cup.
01:12:31I like, you know, even like the Washington football team.
01:12:35I like the like playing brand in-season tournament now compared to this thing actually sounds
01:12:41pretty good.
01:12:42What didn't they do in baseball?
01:12:43They changed the play in game to play in stuff, to call it something else to just, yeah, keep,
01:12:49let's keep it simple.
01:12:50Let's keep it simple.
01:12:51But yeah, they lose to this, to the Atlanta Hawks home game.
01:12:53They're back against the Brooklyn Nets tomorrow and we will be back as well covering that
01:12:58game here on the garden report.
01:12:59So again, thank you to Bobby and Noah covering the game at home.
01:13:03We're sorry for the late start to this one.
01:13:05Had a little bit of a snafu with scheduling, but we are glad that you were able to join
01:13:10us.
01:13:11Celtics.
01:13:12Like I said, fall one 17, one 16 to the Atlanta Hawks and man, maybe the worst game of the
01:13:20year.
01:13:21We're going to forget about this game.
01:13:22We're going to forget about it.
01:13:23New ones.
01:13:24New one tomorrow.
01:13:25We don't even think I forgot about it already.
01:13:28Yeah.
01:13:29I'm done.
01:13:30We're good.
01:13:31Thanks guys for hanging out.
01:13:32First to the floor.
01:13:33First to the floor.
01:13:34Go check those guys out.
01:13:35They're coming up next with more basketball talk.
01:13:37Take care.
01:13:38Wait, Ahmed's got an outro for us, I think.
01:13:39No, he doesn't.
01:13:40You said he was going to work on an outro.
01:13:41He had a phenomenal game.
01:13:42Phenomenal.
01:13:43Pour for dough.
01:13:44I think it's an odd one.
01:13:45That did not sound like a chair.
01:13:46It was a freaking chair.
01:13:47It does sound like a chair.