On this episode of Bruins Beat, Andrew Raycroft joins Evan Marinofsky to discuss the current state of the Boston Bruins. Razor gives insight into his role with NESN, talks about who isn't pulling their weight in this Bruins roster, and if the Bruins could/should make a move for Vancouver's Elias Petterson. All that, and much more!
Topics:
- Raycroft is adjusting to being the rinkside reporter
- What's going wrong?
- Breaking down the power play
- Lindholm vs. Lindholm
- Trade rumors!
- Building through the draft debate
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Topics:
- Raycroft is adjusting to being the rinkside reporter
- What's going wrong?
- Breaking down the power play
- Lindholm vs. Lindholm
- Trade rumors!
- Building through the draft debate
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00:22I'm Evan Maranofsky.
00:23That is Andrew Raycroft.
00:24Razer, what is up?
00:27What is up?
00:29More like what is kind of down right now in regards to this.
00:34Unfortunately, the Bruins are dropping in the standings and they're down in the standings.
00:40But everything else is great.
00:41Everything else is great.
00:42That's good.
00:43Everything.
00:44How was the play, Mrs. Lincoln?
00:45Yeah, that's right.
00:46At least they spared you from this road trip.
00:48You're home.
00:49You don't have to go to Florida.
00:50Yeah.
00:51And I guess it was cold down there too.
00:53So yeah, they let Pellerin hang with the mom, so that's perfect for him.
00:58And on top of it, national game on Saturday, so I can DVR it and watch at my own leisure
01:04peril without, and hopefully I'll check the score while we're doing that to make sure
01:11I want to watch it.
01:12That's right.
01:13Yeah.
01:14It's, it's been a weird stretch here.
01:16How's it been for you?
01:17You've been, they have you down by the ice, they've got you as the ringside guy, they've
01:20got you kind of everywhere.
01:21How's that been so far?
01:22Yeah.
01:23I'm buzzing around.
01:24It's great.
01:25It changes things up.
01:26It's a little different at home than it is on the road.
01:29It's nice to go to the studio and hang there, but yeah, no, it's been, it's been good.
01:34It's been fun.
01:35And, and despite the last 10 days, it's, you know, it has been an entertaining and interesting
01:42season.
01:43And I guess it still is been interesting.
01:44There's lots going on.
01:45That's for sure.
01:46This isn't like just a cozy, regular national hockey league team this year.
01:50It's, it's, it's had a lot going on.
01:52It's been drama.
01:53I haven't remembered a season.
01:54I started doing this in 2019.
01:56I don't remember like Cassidy got fired in, in 2022, but that was sort of those after
02:03the season and the B of Montgomery, the whole contract situation, you have Jeremy Swayman's
02:07contract situation.
02:10And there's been legitimate drama with this team.
02:12I mean, not really on the ice.
02:14You know, I think that's been the disappointing part, but there's been a lot of storylines
02:17off the ice.
02:18Talk about, I'm curious though, like you moving down to doing ringside stuff you know, kind
02:24of for the first time.
02:25How's that been?
02:26How's that?
02:27It's gonna be like a new challenge.
02:29It's a bit of, yeah, it is.
02:30It's different.
02:31It's, it's, it's trying to work in with the, you know, with, with brick and Judd and trying
02:39to stay out of their way, of course, add my little tidbit and, and get out as soon as
02:46possible and not ruin, ruin their flow because it is so good.
02:51Judd's awesome at it.
02:53He's very good at directing traffic up there and getting to both of us, you know, and of
02:58course it's, it's, it's a little sporadic.
02:59It's, they don't need me all the time and there's a lot going on, but, but for me, it's
03:04just a matter of compressing my thoughts really quickly.
03:09Cause it's, it's not, it's not the studio where you have a little bit of rope and it's
03:13not brick where you can talk for the period or you can talk for the entire time that the
03:19other team's getting ready to, to break out on a controlled breakout where they're just
03:24kind of hanging out.
03:25So it's coming, it's coming out of TV a lot of times, or it's coming off of a goalie interference
03:30where they're ready to drop the puck again.
03:32I can't, I can't be talking over a goal call that that's an absolute tragedy.
03:37So, so it's been fun.
03:39It's, it's, it's, it's a little bit of work for me, which is great.
03:41It gets my mind going and, and again, it's, it's just a great way to, to watch a hockey
03:46game and be involved.
03:47That's what I appreciate the most is, is just being in the mix and being in a, in, in, in
03:52the game.
03:53You think that's long-term what you want to do?
03:55I, I, yeah, I mean, you know, I've got my, my crew and, and the, all the stuff going
04:01on.
04:02I don't really think about the long-term game still.
04:04Like I'm kind of day to day, but, but you know, brick's got six, seven, eight years
04:11in them left.
04:12So if I can hang around that long, possibly, but, but at this point it's, it's kind of
04:16wherever they can put me.
04:17And if I can stay part of the, the team, I'm happy to do that.
04:21No, that's awesome.
04:22That's awesome.
04:23You're doing a great job.
04:24Team that hasn't been doing a great job is Bruins.
04:27What is going on?
04:28They lose four, one in Tampa on Thursday night, they're Oh five and one in their last six.
04:34What do you see going wrong right now?
04:37Well, first off, I do think they're a good team still.
04:41I mean, of course I see the, the vitriol of the fans and, and, and hear it and, and
04:49people call me a Homer all the time and tell me, I don't know what I'm talking about.
04:53I, whether it's here, the radio or brew or TV, but I don't think they're a bad team.
04:59I really don't.
05:00I hear a lot of roster construction and I, and I hear that there was no roster construction
05:05issues when, when they got the free agents that they wanted in the summer.
05:10And then when the season started, of course there was, there was individual question marks
05:15and then the swaying and contract, like all of that stuff got done.
05:19So, so starting there, I think if they, they can organize here, there's still a very, a
05:27team that most teams wouldn't want to play in the first round if everyone's healthy.
05:30So I'll preface all of that now, two things for me, really two big things.
05:37The easy ones, the power play and super easy to look at that and, and it's killing them.
05:42It is flat out killing them because now we've crossed over another threshold of giving up
05:47shorthanded goals on top of it.
05:50First it was, yeah, it's pretty good.
05:52They're not scoring, but there's still some momentum there.
05:55Then it goes to, Ooh, not scoring.
05:58And they're not getting any momentum out of these.
06:00It's almost a benefit for the other team.
06:03Then it goes to, all right, we don't even want these called.
06:06Like there's no excitement at all.
06:08When you're right, like decline the penalties, you're like, Oh no.
06:11And now we're at the next one where, Oh my gosh, they're giving up shorthanded goals
06:15on top of it this week.
06:17Not just no momentum or not just no scoring, not just no momentum, not just no excited
06:22to get a penalty.
06:23Now it's absolute dread.
06:24You're going to be minus one on this power play.
06:26So it's as bad as it gets.
06:29That's it.
06:30It's as bad as it gets.
06:31They are where they are that, you know, looking at it last night, I didn't go, I didn't have
06:34time to go through all the teams, but just a very, and I know Tampa might not be the
06:38best because the power play is so good, but Tampa's power play, just the flat out shorthanded
06:44goals to power play goals.
06:47And not even adding in the PK, the special teams, but just the shorthanded goals to the
06:51power play.
06:52They're plus 22 and they've given up short, six shorthanded goals too.
06:56They're plus 22.
06:57The Bruins are plus 10, 16 goals, four, six against halfway through the season.
07:02So they're plus 10.
07:04That's just 12.
07:05That's 12 more that Tampa's got.
07:07That's, that's probably worth eight points, minimum, minimum eight points.
07:12And then you go to their PK is minus 30.
07:16Okay.
07:17So they're minus 30 on the PK that they've got 32 power play given up and two shorthanded
07:23goals.
07:24So they're minus 30.
07:25So combined they're minus 20 in special teams, Tampa Bay's plus 11.
07:32Okay.
07:33So that's, that's just a simple math of like one team.
07:36If you went through the entire league, I can't imagine there's too many special teams that
07:40are dash 20 and that's not percentages.
07:43That's raw goals.
07:44Those are goals.
07:45That's, that's half a goal, a game that they're losing on the special teams compared to what
07:49all the other teams are gaining, maybe a quarter of a goal.
07:52So they're way behind the rebuilding team.
07:55You would expect that out of if, if that even, yeah, yeah, just, yeah.
07:59No matter what, you're just not, this team has been in the top five or seven of both
08:04every single year for the last 12 years.
08:07So, so they're just, that's, that's it.
08:10And then the other little small part of that, and that's, which is leading into the special
08:14teams issue is no Hampus Lindholm.
08:17You could, he he's taken flack at certain times as a, you know, as a defender, which,
08:24which everybody does in this town, everyone gets it, but we are seeing, you could survive
08:29without Hampus Lindholm and your number two defenseman in this league for three or four
08:33weeks, which they did, and they had the coaching change and it gave them a bump and they got
08:36back to the defensive structure, but they are missing that so much on the left side
08:39right now, whether it's the PK Zdorov takes a penalty.
08:43Okay.
08:44Now it's, now it's Lowry and Ulster Lee over on the left side or Watherspoon on their PK
08:49on the power play.
08:50There's no other options to move up top.
08:53It's McAvoy or it's McAvoy or it's Lynn and then low rise on the second one.
08:57Probably Lindholm was moving into that when it struggled and Lindholm's good.
09:00Lindholm moves the puck, Lindholm skates, the puck, Lindholm can get into the zone.
09:04He can shoot the puck who everyone remembers David Pasternak being the hero in game seven
09:09last year against the Leafs.
09:10It was Hampus Lindholm who got in and scored the tying goal with eight minutes left.
09:15And again, he, he drives a lot of offense from the back end.
09:18So it's no surprise that he made that pass on that pass on Pat, right?
09:23He's one in one in game seven.
09:24So great call.
09:27And so since December 5th, the fact that they just scored their first offensive goal, isn't
09:31much of a surprise that coincides directly with Hampus Lindholm being out of the lineup.
09:35So that's the power play and it's Lindholm being out as long as he has, that that's really
09:40hurt this group or caught up to this group over the last 10 days.
09:44Yeah.
09:45Lindholm.
09:46It's interesting because that the game he got hurt, they finally put him on that first
09:49power play unit and then he gets hurt immediately.
09:51It's like, all right, well that there goes that.
09:53And he got hurt blocking a shot on the PK.
09:55Like he was huge in the PK, really big, really important.
09:59And he was back to playing his sort of 2023 form.
10:02He was back to that same kind of guy that we didn't see as much of last year.
10:07I agree with you on the, the, the special teams, it's been awful.
10:11And that's where like, you need drastic change.
10:13I know Joe Sacco mentioned when he got hired, he's like, we can't fix everything in a day.
10:17They haven't hired a third assistant yet.
10:19So it's only just, you know, him, Leach and Kelly.
10:24But I don't understand why you don't try to move some guys around.
10:28You know, like I've been saying for weeks, either move posture, knock out of the one
10:31timer spot.
10:32And I know it goes deeper than this because they can't even enter the zone cleanly.
10:36So like there, there are bigger issues at play, but it started with teams just cracking
10:40down on that one timer and McAvoy trying to force feed those pucks to posture, knock on
10:46the elbow.
10:48To me, you either move guys around or you go with a new formation, try an umbrella.
10:52Like there are things you could try to do.
10:54And also you have nothing to lose at this point.
10:56Like your, your power play is rock bottom.
10:57You gave up a shorthanded goal to the Islanders the other night, you gave up a shorthanded
11:00goal to lightning last night.
11:03Both were one goal games, by the way.
11:04I mean, the last two for the lightning were empty netters, but both were one goal game.
11:07So you essentially lost because you gave up shorthanded goals.
11:11And to me, like, I think you're correct in that that's a huge problem.
11:14And I don't understand why we haven't seen bigger changes yet on, on the first unit.
11:21Yeah.
11:22And to that point, right, it's these are your guys.
11:26These are the guys that are on the power plays that are, are your guys.
11:32So you, you do, you have to be as patient as possible with your, with your high money
11:39superstars in the national hockey league.
11:41You don't just like blow the whole thing up.
11:45To that, though, it has gotten to the point where it's like, okay, we're going five forwards.
11:49All right, we're going to put Zdorov out there and work his shot at the point, just something
11:57and a different view, a different idea.
12:01They're getting to that point.
12:03And I don't, again, three weeks ago, I, I, I wouldn't have said that I would have said,
12:08you got to keep letting these guys figure it out and letting them work through it.
12:11They're all getting paid 10 million a year.
12:14They're all, you know, there's one hall of famer, maybe another one, certainly two guys
12:20that are going to have their numbers retired.
12:22Like this is, these are your guys.
12:24This is, they're not, they're not, they have to figure it out themselves at some point
12:29too.
12:30But, but we're past that now.
12:31And to your point this week is, is the flip on that with the shorthanded goals.
12:34Now it's, now I'm all in on just doing something to, to, to shake the whole thing up.
12:42And of course, I don't know what exactly what that would be.
12:45I would start with Zdorov up there and just see if he can try and get some shots off and
12:50slappers.
12:51Ooh, that's interesting.
12:52I haven't, I didn't think of that one.
12:53So Zdorov at the point, he's got a bomb, he's, he has to be respected up top with a shot.
12:58Obviously he doesn't, you know, moving it doesn't work as much, but if you could, if
13:02you could find a way to, to open him up with a few wristers or a few slappers, I wouldn't
13:07mind seeing that.
13:08I would do that before I go to five forwards, but I'm almost at five forwards to just whatever.
13:14Let her rip.
13:15Yeah.
13:16I think that's a great idea.
13:17It's definitely out of the box.
13:18I think right now, like a lot of the out of the box ideas are probably what they should
13:22at least try to do.
13:23I was thinking, so for a while I've been saying, you know, move posh knock out of the one timer
13:27spot.
13:28If you're going to do an overload, like they do move him, put them at the point, put them
13:32at the bumper, like try just use him in a different spot to open up somebody else.
13:37You know what I was thinking about last night though, is sort of an umbrella where you have
13:41low riot, the very top you've got posture knock at his right.
13:46So he's on his, he's not in a one timer position, but he's in a position where as you're moving
13:51the puck around, right?
13:52If you have, let's say even Zaka on the left of low ride and you've got even Elias Lindholm
13:56and Brad Marchand down by the net or Justin Brezow and Brad Marchand down by the net,
14:00you can have posture knock sort of gaining speed.
14:03So finally he hits his stride and low right can hit him with a pass.
14:06You see some teams do this and it's not a high percentage shot per se, but if he does
14:11have some momentum on that and it is at the top of the circle, teams would probably lock
14:16in on him.
14:17But I also think if he has that speed and gets that shot off, he can score obviously.
14:21But also you have those two guys down by the net for rebounds.
14:23You have screens.
14:24Um, I think, I just think right now you have to go, you have to try anything, um, cause
14:29nothing's really working.
14:31No, it isn't.
14:32It isn't.
14:33And you do, you do have to mix it up a little bit.
14:36The, the, the, but the, the harsh or not harsh, it's, it's just the kind of the reality of
14:42it is these guys have done been, they're on the PowerPoint in the national hockey league
14:47for a reason.
14:48And they've done it a certain way for a really long time.
14:50So to, to put guys out of position, I know it doesn't sound like a lot, but it is that
14:59to, to do that on the fly in an NHL hockey game is asking a lot, right?
15:04It's on top.
15:05Like it's, and, and I'm not talking to you, I'm just saying in big picture, cause I hear
15:09it all the time.
15:10Again, I hear it all.
15:11Just call everybody up.
15:12Like, well, they're down there for a reason, everybody like they're there.
15:16This is a, this isn't just the video game where you, you move things around and, um,
15:22that's why you, you, you have to, you have to all be so much more fun.
15:26You have to, uh, you have to be patient with it.
15:29But again, I, I, I repeat they're past that now because of what's happened this week where
15:35Okay.
15:36Let's let's, we got to try something guys.
15:37This is this, we let you guys try and figure out now we just have to do it.
15:41Something else just to, to, to switch it up.
15:43Yeah.
15:44And I think you look at like McAvoy and Pasternak, the two highest paid guys on the team.
15:48They have a lot of pride.
15:49There's ego there.
15:50Like they're not just going to say, Oh yeah, I don't need to quarterback the power player.
15:53Oh yeah.
15:54I'll be the guy, you know, I'll be in that front now.
15:56No, it doesn't work like that.
15:59It doesn't work like that.
16:00Um, we'll get into some more stuff cause I think there's a Lindholm on this team that's
16:05been a big reason why there's sort of been struggling, uh, but it's not Hampus.
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17:31So Lindholm, Elias Lindholm, I think so.
17:36It's funny going into this year.
17:37I was one of the few people who was like, I think this team is going to be nasty.
17:40I think this lineup is going to be great.
17:42Elias Lindholm, it's going to put everybody into place down below and Morgan geeky is
17:45going to be a third liner like this team's going to hum.
17:48And then of course the Swainman contract situation and Jim Montgomery's, you know, half of his
17:52body was in St. Louis and you get the rest.
17:56I do think Elias Lindholm struggles and he's been a little bit better of late.
18:01He slowed down production wise last couple of games, but for a little bit there, especially
18:04in December, he was doing well.
18:07I think that's really hurt them because it started with, he didn't really work with Pasternak
18:11and he was supposed to.
18:12So that, you know, and Montgomery moved him off quick, but it didn't last long.
18:16Yeah.
18:17The production hasn't been there at five on five.
18:19The production on the power play really hasn't been there that we all thought like, Oh, he'll
18:22just fit right in on the bumper.
18:24And that's been like non-existent and he's a minus and I'm not the biggest plus minus
18:30guy, but this is a guy who was billed as this, you know, stalwart two way center, Patrice
18:35Bergeron light, all these things.
18:37And I get that free agents take time to acclimate to places.
18:40But to me, I think one of the biggest reasons that, that they've struggled along with the
18:44power play is he hasn't fit the way they thought he would fit.
18:49And I think like one of the biggest things is like last year, Morgan Geeky at the end
18:53of the year was on the first line and we all said that, you know, that's great.
18:56He's, he's versatile, but when you start next year, you want him as a third liner.
19:00He's a great third line guy who kind of like a Brock Holt can fit in the top six when needed
19:05and be a utility guy, but really you want him as a third liner.
19:08Well, part of the, part of the thing, part of the after effect of Lindholm not fitting
19:13with Pasternak is Geeky's up there.
19:15Now Geeky has worked, Geeky's producing like Geeky's been an undervalued guy, but I still
19:21think if you're a cup contender, which they have not proven to be yet, he is a third liner.
19:26And to me, I think Elias Lindholm struggles have been a big reason why I think this team,
19:32I'm not saying it's the biggest, but I think it's very impactful on why they are now the
19:36first wildcard team.
19:38Yeah.
19:39So, so a few things, one, I agree, except for one thing I'll push back is just that
19:44plus minus they've given up a lot of empty nickels the past 10 days that those guys have
19:50eaten, eaten the minuses.
19:52So just for that, like the other day they did David's minus four.
19:55Well, he's out there for two empty netters.
19:57So last night, say another empty netter for Lindholm for pasta, like these guys are eating
20:02minuses.
20:03So just the, on that plus minus thing, you know, it's, we, that there is an asterisk
20:08and I don't like plus minus either.
20:09I think plus minus.
20:10Yeah.
20:11Yeah.
20:12So, but I'm just trying to make a point.
20:13I'm doing that just because I think Lindholm's been good defensively.
20:15Like he's lived up to the building of 200 foot game.
20:18He's good in his defensive zone.
20:20He's good with the stick.
20:21Now, now that's, that's where it kind of ends though.
20:23Right?
20:25Yeah.
20:26You're right.
20:27The, the fact that you, it didn't work with David is probably the most disappointing part
20:34of it is that you don't have a Zach, a Lindholm pasta line that that is going because you're,
20:42and then to your point, Geeky absolutely is, he's actually producing as a number one line
20:47guy for most guys, like since he's been there, since they got rid of Montgomery, who didn't
20:52like Geeky for whatever reason, it was obvious he was healthy, scratching them since that
20:57December point when Geeky got put there, he had a few great chances like Detroit, he should
21:03have scored like five goals that night.
21:04And then it started to come.
21:06And since then he's produced as a first liner this month.
21:09Yeah.
21:10There's no question, but that would have been great if it was coil Geeky and Marshawn, if
21:15he had a step this way to Marshawn's line, and then you had, then you still had Lindholm
21:21pasta and Zach connecting.
21:24Had that worked, it's somehow worked and had those guys going Geeky, then yes, it would
21:29have been nice on the third line, but it makes, he could be a second line guy if he's going
21:33to produce the way he is and shoot the puck the way he is right now.
21:37That that's all kind of a pipe dream at this point.
21:39And it's hard to imagine how that, that goes back at this point, you're just so locked
21:45into where you are and there's not a lot of chemistry to be made.
21:48There's no practices.
21:50I guess the, the one silver lining could be the, the break, the break coming for this
21:57and to be able, you might actually, for the first time in a long time, get a reset in
22:02the national hockey league.
22:03A lot of teams are going to reset and look different out of that for the first time,
22:07but you can't count on it.
22:10And I am, it is, it has been ideal for Lindholm to fit the production.
22:17And again, it didn't have to be an 80 points.
22:21It had to be, even if we're at 55 point pace right now, how much better this team would
22:27look.
22:28So between the power play, not working with him out there and, and that first line, not
22:33gelling they've, they've that, that's where that roster construction stuff has come into
22:39talks now.
22:40But, but again, I was with you the whole time at the start, it made complete sense.
22:44It made complete sense.
22:45And, and when you're making those decisions, it, it, it worked for me.
22:49Yeah.
22:50I mean, I know they, you know, going into the year they lost, you know, they don't have
22:53the goalie tandem.
22:54They lost to brusque.
22:55He lost Grizz like, but I thought, okay, you replace Grizz with Zdorov and Zdorov's another
22:59one.
23:00Like Zdorov's been up with McAvoy a little bit, but even against Edmonton the other night,
23:03they have Watherspoon with McAvoy.
23:05Well, again, that's Lindholm, Lindholm, Lindholm, I know it's everybody.
23:09Cause you either put him with McAvoy in some matchups or you have them with Carlo and they
23:14play defense.
23:15Like, and then that slots Zdorov as well, because then you're doing that.
23:20And then you can really slot Lowry in the proper places and not get him out.
23:23So it just that, like, I know it sounds crazy that just one player it's, you know, you plug
23:30in, but this one's this, this really affects a lot, a lot of matchups on a nightly basis.
23:36Oh yeah.
23:37Oh yeah, it does.
23:40Let's talk some trades.
23:41We'll talk trades in a second.
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24:49What time is it?
24:50It's game time.
24:51It's game time.
24:52Damn.
24:53Right.
24:54It's game time.
24:55Um, it might be trade time, but not really, but we should talk about this cause it is
25:00out there.
25:01Um, I forgive me.
25:03I forget who reported.
25:04Uh, I think it was a guy named Mark D'Amico reported that, uh, the Bruins have been talking
25:09to the Canucks about, uh, Elias Pedersen and JT Miller, the two centers.
25:13So I guess they're feuding.
25:14It'd be nice if the Canucks had like a reality show right now, because I think people would
25:17enjoy that.
25:18That would be good.
25:19Oh, that'd air on like, what, like Bravo?
25:22Like the most like trashy reality shows like on there.
25:24I think that'd be a great fit over there.
25:27Um, Pedersen's 26 signed eight years, I think 92 million.
25:32So he makes a little over 11 million per, so he's a hefty payday, young guy, JT Miller,
25:38I think is 32.
25:39Um, been around a long time.
25:42I think, you know, people are more excited about, Hey, what would it take to get Pedersen
25:45and Pedersen would fit you better.
25:48Um, I have a couple of thoughts on this.
25:50I mean, number one, like I think there might, there's a small chance they have enough to
25:56deal for like a guy like Pedersen, but there's a lot of teams with a lot more assets, a lot
26:02more because Pedersen's no movement doesn't hit till next year.
26:05Correct.
26:06He is not old enough to get that no movement because he hasn't hit till the next year of
26:12his contract.
26:13Um, so they can move him if they wanted to, to wherever, um, a, would you do it?
26:20And B, what do you think you would need to give up?
26:23Well, you know, this one, so of course, I mean, he's an awesome player, so he, he, he's
26:32good.
26:33I mean, he's an all-star.
26:34He's got that deal because he gets a hundred points in this league when, when healthy and
26:37happy and everything's going well, there is turmoil there.
26:42There's an opportunity for teams to get creative.
26:46And then the other thing, like teams calling, I promise you, I absolutely promise everyone
26:51listening that there's been 31 teams called the Vancouver Canucks about what those two
26:56guys and what the deal is and what the price is that that's how the league works.
27:00These GMs are literally on the, they have a group chat with each other and they text
27:05each other who's available and what's options.
27:07And then they call each other after they do that text on the group chat and see who's
27:11up.
27:12Then they call each other and they talk about it.
27:13Like that's, that's how the league works.
27:15That's how they all know what's going on, that it's a legit group chat that you get
27:19kicked out of as soon as you get fired.
27:21So that's gotta be so stressful.
27:23If your phone's down for like 20, you know, like, well, you know, your phone's not down
27:27by no, but I'm saying like, if you, if you, you know, middle of summer, I know, I know
27:31the president's phone is never down, neither is the national hockey league general manager's
27:34phone.
27:35It's, it's, it's not saying you might have eight of them if, if just to be sure, but
27:39it's not.
27:40Um, so, so, so again, the report is the report.
27:44I get it.
27:45And it's fun to talk about, but, but certainly everyone's kicking tires on that and teams
27:49are going to try and get creative because there's, they see these GMs are sharks, there's
27:54blood in the water out there, whatever it is.
27:56And they want to pounce and they want to try and take advantage.
28:00What would I do it?
28:02Of course, I want all good players if possible.
28:06Salary caps going up.
28:07It shouldn't be a problem.
28:08You should be able to work your way through it.
28:10Now, what do you have?
28:11What does Vancouver want that that's so hard to answer?
28:15Of course, there's if you want to just go off like contract wise, like, but you're not
28:21just, you know, you're not just flipping like a first rounder and, and, uh, an extent, you
28:26know, and a contract that's expiring at the end of this season.
28:29Correct.
28:30So that, that's not how this is going to work.
28:32Um, realistically you're, you're, you know, you're going, you're giving another player
28:37that's has similar term and similar upsides in the other direction.
28:42I just don't see Vancouver selling to, to sell on either of those guys, but aside, especially
28:47Pedersen.
28:48So do, do I, I don't, I don't envision any scenario that it happens.
28:54Um, I would do it, but I just don't see that.
28:59It's just a big one.
29:00It's just a really, really big kind of deal that usually just doesn't end up happening.
29:05It's fun to talk about, but I don't even know if the Rangers would do it at this point.
29:09Well, that's what's interesting is Kevin Paul DuPont wrote, I think last week that the Bruins
29:13are in need of like a big shakeup trade.
29:15And he mentioned the Joe Thornton trade as sort of, you know, ideally this is what you
29:19would do.
29:19Yeah.
29:20And they want to come five years later.
29:21I'll give them that.
29:22Um, but I wonder would this be, this would be like the opposite of the Joe Thornton trade.
29:27You would be trading for the disgruntled star center.
29:30Um, well, Joe wasn't disgruntled just, uh, let's put that right.
29:35There was no fighting here.
29:36There was no, they were not mad at, there was no JT Miller on the other side of Joe
29:41Thornton.
29:41This was, uh, there was some disgruntled.
29:45Here.
29:45Yes.
29:45Let's make sure he had just, he had just signed a relatively big deal at the time.
29:49He just bought a house and he was excited to stay here forever.
29:52So yeah.
29:52And then that much, we got to go to San Jose.
29:55Um, I think in terms of what it would take, in terms of what it would take, cause I see
30:01you see like the Reddit and the HF boards, people like, Oh, Carlo and coil and Zaka.
30:06It's like, no, that's not happening.
30:08That's not how this is going to work.
30:10I think if you have a shot in hell at this, cause you, a, the Canucks want to compete.
30:15Right.
30:15They, they, they were, they went fairly deep last year, even without Demco.
30:19Like they're in it.
30:21They have a young core Quinn Hughes.
30:22Like that, that team is in it.
30:25I think if you're the only way you're able to make this trade and it's a, again, this
30:29is a 1% chance is why I don't think this happens.
30:33They did try to resign Elias Lindholm in the off season.
30:37They did.
30:38Now he was their third line center.
30:40So I don't know why he would have, you know, didn't make sense for him to stay.
30:42But if you could get Lindholm to wave his no movement, to go back to Vancouver and then
30:48you add in a first and you might even have to add in Patra probably will probably would
30:54have to.
30:55If you did Elias Lindholm, they take all their, his money.
30:58You take all Patterson's money and you add in Patra on a first.
31:02I think that's realistic.
31:03Now that's a lot.
31:05That's like, and I'm not, you know, you can say like Lindholm, uh, swaps out for
31:10Patterson.
31:10Patterson comes in for Lindholm fine, but losing Patra would hurt and losing a future
31:16first, which you need to make hurts.
31:18Now, Patterson is, I think, worth all of that.
31:20I think Patterson's real good.
31:22Now that line with Pasternak and Patterson would be billed as soft.
31:26Everyone would be calling them soft, even though, you know, they'd be putting up a
31:30ton of points.
31:30Yeah.
31:31Um, I think there's a way better chance that Patterson works with Pasternak.
31:34So I think you get, you get a legit number one center, but it hurts your depth because
31:38suddenly like geeky still in your top six, which is fine.
31:41You can probably put geeky with Patterson and Pasternak or you can put Zach up there
31:45and you can put, you know, coil as your second line center.
31:47There's things you can do you, but your, your depth pieces still are not, you know,
31:54they're still the same guys.
31:56Well, yeah.
31:56Well, and that goes to the moral of the whole story is your depth, you know, the
32:00guys that you were counting on to, to at least get close to continuing their
32:05production from last season, the coils, the Fredericks of the world haven't, and
32:09you're still there.
32:10Um, and that's, that, that, that's a huge, huge change this season from last the
32:16change from this season to last.
32:18So, um, I don't, you know, yeah, that, that deal's probably about right when it
32:22comes to, to assets now, when, and when you say Lindholm, it has like, that has to
32:29be, that player has to be really wanted by the Vancouver Canucks.
32:34It's not just like a, a guy who's good and makes it like, it has to be re that
32:39guy really has to be wanted by the Canucks and then they really want to have that
32:43prospect.
32:44And then they're like, yeah, and you have to throw your first and we don't care
32:46about it, but you're throwing it in.
32:48So, and he has to waive his no movement.
32:50He just signed here.
32:51He's a house, like, you know what I mean?
32:53Like there's that end of it too.
32:54Yeah, of course.
32:55So, so that's all in all why it's, it's, uh, you know, it's easy to talk about,
33:01but exactly.
33:03And I think, and that's the thing is there, you know, the Canucks aren't
33:06rebuilding.
33:07This isn't trading an asset, you know, to just kickstart a rebuild.
33:11Like they want legit pieces back, but I don't even know if you have the full
33:14legit pieces.
33:15Well, and again, to that point, I don't know if anyone in the league does.
33:19Right?
33:19Like that's the issue.
33:20Like they're, they're, they, they might not think that anybody, well, that is
33:24actually tradable, right?
33:25Of course they would trade Pedersen for McDavid, but that, you know, so that's
33:28the issue is like, there's nobody else that's really disgruntled out there.
33:32So Vancouver has got to take a bit of a haircut here.
33:35And they, if they haven't done it yet, this, these guys didn't start fighting
33:38three days ago.
33:39These guys, these guys, it's been, this has been long time, really, really long
33:44time.
33:44So, so the fact that they haven't, you know, they've signed both of them to 10
33:48year deals while this was going on means to me that they're not, they're, they're,
33:52they're not too concerned about it and feel like they're going to work it out
33:56or have to be absolutely blown away by Leon dry sidle coming across the board
34:00to, to make a deal.
34:02Hey, you know what?
34:03You know, this winning cures all does you win, win, just win.
34:06It just like they were very, we were not in a bad place literally 10 days ago,
34:11literally 10 days ago.
34:13This, the whole team was fine.
34:15Everything was okay.
34:16They're in the playoffs easily.
34:17They're five games over 500 cooking along everything.
34:21Then this is what happens when you lose in 10 days, we start making up fantasy
34:25football trades and we start dissecting every little minute breakout and break
34:32in of the power of like, this is what happens folks.
34:35And, and again, if they win four in a row next week, then, then that goes away.
34:39And that's what the players are talking about.
34:41And they know that.
34:42And, uh, it starts, start Saturday afternoon against Florida.
34:46That's right.
34:47Cox need to win to stop those trade rumors and the Bruins need to win to
34:51also stop those trade rumors.
34:52Um, we'll see what happens.
34:53I mean, again, Bruins have Florida, Tampa and Ottawa next three.
34:58I, to me, I go back to like, I think the Buffalo the other night too, nothing on
35:04home ice.
35:04So again, I hear the Ottawa is like, oh, they're, you know, it's still worse to be
35:10Ottawa folks.
35:11It's way worse to be Ottawa.
35:13Please don't want to be Ottawa.
35:15It also though, I mean, again, and I, this is the other thing of falling into that
35:18wild card.
35:19I mean, you know, the Bruins are the first wild card as of Friday morning, 45
35:22points, Columbus has 44.
35:24Then there's Pittsburgh with 44 and Ottawa with 41.
35:26So you're not far away from falling out of the playoff picture.
35:29You're not far away from it.
35:30No, you're grinding the rest of the year for, or at least till the, till the break
35:33you're, you, you need to, you need to grind here for sure.
35:36Before you go.
35:37Yeah.
35:38What do you feel on the deadline?
35:40Does this team add, does this team sell?
35:43No, no, you're adding.
35:44Yeah.
35:44Yeah.
35:45I mean, and, and not, you know, they're not, they showed last season.
35:49They're not going to just, they're not dumping first rounders at this point.
35:53Um, they're not there, but, but you're, you're done.
35:57They're going to make this team better.
35:58They're going to try to make this team better.
36:00They're not going to sell everything off.
36:02Of course they have a couple of free agents.
36:04They have, you know, with between Beecher and Frederick's the big one.
36:08Um, and Geeky's restricted as well.
36:10So you've got, you've got things there up front that you might have to move around
36:15pieces, but I don't see, I don't see a sell-off for second round NHL draft picks
36:20here.
36:20This, that, that will make no sense to me at all.
36:23Not when you, you've built the team you have.
36:26What do you mean?
36:26So like them selling their second round pick.
36:29Yeah.
36:29I don't see them giving up Frederick for a second round pick and not replenish.
36:33It is what I mean.
36:34You know, like they don't need third round picks and please folks don't, don't at me.
36:39I'll do the draft pick thing some other day, but you don't build.
36:44It's not the NFL.
36:45You don't build through the draft in the NHL the same way.
36:48It's just different.
36:49You don't think?
36:50No, I don't.
36:51I don't, I don't believe in, I don't believe in 30th overall picks.
36:54You do it.
36:55You can rebuild if you get the first overall pick or you get a top five pick,
36:58but you don't build for first round picks that are below 17.
37:03Do the math.
37:04You go look, go Google it and see how many guys and how many games and how many
37:08people miss.
37:09It's a lot.
37:10It's the, the percentages are right.
37:12First round is the same as the second, which is the same as the third to me.
37:16But then, but so my point is like, you look at this past summer, right?
37:20I think this past summer of going and signing Lindholm and Zdorov, and I think
37:23at the time we all wanted them to go sign at least Lindholm because it was the best
37:26center available, but that shows you that free agency is also not the way to build
37:30your team.
37:30Like I think drafting and developing your guys is the way to build your team.
37:34Well, they've, they've done that though.
37:35See, I argue these, this all the time.
37:37So their backend, they have McAvoy, Carlo, and Lowry all draft their draft
37:43picks.
37:43They've built those three guys and they got rid of Grizzly last year, but there
37:47was four guys last season.
37:49And I like how they got Hampus Lindholm.
37:51They traded a first for someone who they got back in line and they use Lindholm.
37:54Like we can go through this whole thing and how well they've actually developed
37:58their draft picks.
37:59You've got upfront, you've got David and in goal, you've got Swayman.
38:03So you literally like, and go around the league and see what teams have their
38:07starting goalie, their best defenseman and their top scoring forward all drafted
38:12without drafting in the top 10 in the last 15 years.
38:16It's unheard of folks.
38:17It's literally hasn't ever happened before.
38:20But there's not a lot around Pasternak that they've drafted and developed.
38:23That's, I think that's the problem, especially down the middle.
38:25Contra's on that, on that ascent for sure.
38:28I know, but, but there, there isn't, there isn't any other team that has either.
38:32What do you want to do?
38:32Edmonton, Tricital and McDavid and Nugent Hopkins first, first and third.
38:38Well, you don't want to do that.
38:40That's the other thing.
38:40You don't want to be a headman for Vasilevsky 19th overall.
38:44Like their point, like there's, there's my, again, my point is, is do not, you do
38:52not want third round draft picks and second round draft picks at this deadline.
38:56Oh no.
38:57But I'm saying if someone comes along and says, here's a first for Trent Frederick,
39:00I would do it in a second.
39:01Well, I do it.
39:02They're not.
39:02That's not that.
39:03That's never happening in the entire world of planetary.
39:07That's, that's not what he's worth.
39:09Yes.
39:09But trade trade deadline trades can get crazy.
39:12I wouldn't be surprised if a team came along with that.
39:15Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
39:16Okay.
39:16Well, if that happens, yeah, they're going to do it in an absolute heartbeat.
39:20But I agree with you.
39:20I agree with you on this.
39:22They're not going to look to sell.
39:23Like a retool is not the worst idea in the world.
39:26I'm for it, but they're not going to do that.
39:28They want to compete.
39:29They've put too much money in this roster.
39:30They have to.
39:31Yeah, they have to move.
39:32You know, you have to do business and you can't give assets up for free over the summer.
39:37And that's, that's the reality of the league.
39:40But, but you also, you don't, you don't try.
39:43You can't try and go to the bottom with this lineup.
39:45It's too good.
39:47No.
39:47And I think the fans who say like, you know, they need to, they need to blow it all up.
39:50I think they don't know.
39:51Completely mistaken.
39:52Yeah.
39:52Unfortunately, they don't know.
39:54I don't understand that line of thinking.
39:56But if you want to sell Frederick for picks, I'm fine with that.
39:59I am.
39:59Yeah, that's one guy, but you have to replenish.
40:01You have to use the picks to then go get someone else too, though, is what I'm saying.
40:04Because if you don't have Frederick, then, then there's one more.
40:07Then there's even less spots out there for everybody.
40:11I would be completely fine if they dealt Frederick for picks and had Patra come in
40:14and be some third line center.
40:15I'd be fine with that.
40:16Yeah.
40:17But I know you're not and that's okay.
40:20No, no, I just, there's a development process to these picks too, right?
40:23You, you, you need to develop them properly.
40:26Like the Washington Capitals, everyone's going to the Washington.
40:28These guys played in the minors and one playoff series in the minors.
40:31All these McMichael and Portra or Protis.
40:35And these guys all played for a while down there.
40:37They didn't just call them up when, when things, when they got a little hairy in the National
40:41League.
40:41So you, that's the, that's the underlying point of this too, where people want to talk
40:48about developing and getting their draft picks up.
40:50Well, you also have to make them good and you have to be patient on that too, right?
40:55So, and they have been, and Murky lofts been down there a long time.
40:58Like, and it's been a long time is two years at this point, right?
41:03Yeah.
41:03Two and a half.
41:04So give them, give them a blow.
41:06Potra has been there for four months.
41:09That's right.
41:09You're right.
41:10You're right.
41:11You're right.
41:11But you know what?
41:12I look at it like this, right?
41:13Like he's building, he's building his confidence.
41:15I think going down was a great move.
41:16A hundred percent.
41:17He's going to be better because of this.
41:19And it might not be until September.
41:22Maybe, maybe.
41:24But I, I would, what the scenario I mentioned, I would, I'd be okay with that.
41:27I would be razor.
41:30What can people look forward to from you coming up when you back on the broadcast,
41:33you got the pod, you got morning brew, what's going on?
41:36Uh, yeah, no, it's pretty steady.
41:38Eddie dog days, right?
41:39Tuesday game.
41:40So work that game and brew afterwards.
41:44And, um, yeah, no, there's, there's nothing new in my life.
41:47It's, it's, it's, it's all out there.
41:49It's all out there.
41:50Nothing new.
41:51Just the grind of grab a nap this afternoon.
41:54That's yeah.
41:56There you go.
41:57Razor.
41:57It's always a pleasure.
41:58You got it.
41:59You want again?
42:00You got it.
42:00Thank you for doing this.
42:01And that's been this week's Bruinsbeat.
42:03I'm Evan Marinovsky.
42:04Bruinsbeat listeners.
42:05Have a great rest of your week.
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