Conor Ryan and Evan Marinofsky tackle some of the biggest questions surrounding the Boston Bruins right now. Is it time to bring up the young players and give them more responsibility? Has Jeremy Swayman lost the room, or is he still the answer in net? Should the Bruins explore trading Brad Marchand, and what impact could that have on the team’s future? Plus, what’s going on with David Pastrnak—has he lost his edge, or is it just a rough patch? Tune in for their takes on these key storylines and the future of the Bruins!
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00:22That's Connor Ryan.
00:23I'm Evan Maranofsky.
00:24Connor, what is up?
00:26Evan, I'm doing well.
00:28How are you doing?
00:29Doing great.
00:30Doing great.
00:31We've, we've done a lot of podcasts together.
00:32We've done a lot, a lot of podcasts together.
00:34Not sure there's been two people on this earth who've done more podcasts together than you
00:37and me, but today we're doing something different.
00:40We've never done this before.
00:41I'm talking about Red Sox?
00:42Mailbag.
00:43Oh, I wish.
00:44I wish it was Red Sox.
00:45There's a lot to talk about with that.
00:46If we had a Red Sox podcast right now, we'd have a lot to, uh, to dive into.
00:50Lots of things to rip the team for, but also like be like, oh, crochet trade.
00:54I like it.
00:55Um, it's a mailbag day and usually we only do these if we're roll, uh, riding solo,
01:00but today we're going to answer them together and you got quite a lot of questions.
01:04Uh, some I imagine were similar, so you probably blended them together, I would assume.
01:09Yes.
01:10Yeah.
01:11We got, uh, again, shout out to all of our listeners, uh, who sent along questions.
01:14Yeah.
01:15We, uh, got plenty of them.
01:16We'll roll through a couple of them.
01:18Um, a lot of them have to do with the, uh, loss on Thursday against the Seattle Kraken.
01:24A lot of, I think doom and gloom as expected.
01:26I think if you listen to Bruins beat that came out, uh, recently, I think it's the same,
01:32same tenor, same mood, I would say.
01:34We literally just recorded that.
01:36Yes.
01:37You can't tell by the fact that I'm wearing the exact same outfit.
01:39Yes.
01:40I didn't even try.
01:41I didn't even try to change.
01:42I was pondering like wearing a different hat and seeing if that would have thrown people
01:45off.
01:46I'm like, wait a second.
01:47But alas, I wasn't gonna, wasn't gonna go that far.
01:50Um, Evan, are you ready to start?
01:52I am ready to start.
01:54All right.
01:56We got this, uh, first one from, uh, Mark QC who asks, uh, with it feeling like the
02:01team's identity is directionless, does it seem like a good time to begin funneling in
02:06some of the youth talent in Providence up to get some NHL playing time and see which
02:11guys can really translate their game to the big leagues?
02:15You want to, uh, lead us off there, Evan, again, to Mark QC for sending along the question.
02:20Yes.
02:21Thank you, Mark.
02:22Well, I would agree.
02:23I mean, I think Patra is a great place to start.
02:25It's been doing great down in Providence.
02:26It's got like eight points and five games or something like that.
02:30Um, he's been really good.
02:32I, I know Lyselle hasn't been doing a heck of a lot, but at some point, like I do think
02:37you have to see what you have in him.
02:39Now I would assume that you would start bringing up this Providence talent after you trade
02:44guys off your roster.
02:45Like that would be something you would do in like sort of like September call-ups and
02:49baseball.
02:50So we're not used to this.
02:52We're not used to Bruins doing this.
02:54This would probably be something you do in like late February, March, and very early
02:58April.
02:59Um, I don't see them really doing like a bunch of youth coming up, but like miraculous Patra
03:06Lyselle, I'd like to see up here at some point in the not so distant future.
03:11It's not going to be the reason you like, you know, your team starts winning, but I
03:15agree with Mark QC and that you do want to see what you have.
03:19Yeah.
03:20I also think you look at the, the amount of elite talent or even intriguing NHL talent
03:26in the system.
03:28It's not that great.
03:29So after you get past those big three, I guess, of Lyselle, Mark Ulov, and Patra, then it's
03:35like, all right, is it more of just fourth line, like a Duran or something like that?
03:39Right.
03:40And I think you let those guys, honestly, the fourth line, you don't have to worry like
03:43they're fine as it works.
03:44Like, yeah, exactly.
03:45It's not, not great, but yeah, it also might depend on what the exact injury status is
03:52of the guys on the team right now.
03:54Like we haven't gotten an update yet on Elias Lindholm, who left Thursday's game early against
04:00the Kraken and also very late in that game, I'll be sorry, but I think Pavel Zaka took
04:05a puck off the, off the skate from, I think it was, I think it was friendly fire.
04:09I want to say it was Brennan Carlo.
04:11He didn't play the last like seven minutes of that game.
04:13So not great.
04:15So that I did not see that.
04:17I fell asleep.
04:18Yeah.
04:19Well, listen, that was, yeah, let me tell you, you didn't know, you didn't miss all
04:22that much.
04:23So again, I don't know if that's just the game was getting away from them, Zaka, like
04:28hold you back or what have you.
04:30But if both those guys are banged up, then yeah, you, you hit the point where it's like,
04:34all right.
04:35I got like Patra, I think especially as a guy that should be called up sooner rather
04:40than later.
04:41The fact that it's kind of what we mentioned before, right, Evan, in terms of when we were
04:45assessing back in training camp of the pros and cons of putting Patra down there.
04:50And I think you've seen the benefits, right.
04:52Of a guy that was kind of struggling to find his game a little bit.
04:55You go down to Providence against lesser competition, you're playing 18, 19 minutes a night and
05:00he's producing, he's probably feeling confident about his game.
05:02You can make the argument that you want him to continue to kind of marinate down there
05:05and get more confident, but you also look at this NHL roster, regardless of, let's say,
05:11Lynn Tolman and soccer are good to go on Saturday in Vancouver.
05:16Even with that, like I think the, the lack of skill, the lack of playmaking on this team,
05:21it's evident right now.
05:22So I think Patra is an obvious one and I agree, like you look at Lysel, the numbers haven't
05:26been there.
05:27I think he's got 10 points so far, like three goals, seven assists, not good enough.
05:31But if you're not going to find out now, like when are you with a guy like Lysel, I'd rather
05:36you bring him up here and you play him seven games and he's got one assist and he's not
05:42doing enough, then, you know, like, as opposed to just like having him be this white whale
05:47that you hope that, well, like if you're just hoping for him to go off and Providence all
05:50of a sudden score, you know, seven, eight goals in a seven game stretch, that's all
05:55well and good.
05:56But you look at what he can do well, which is skate, which is, you know, kind of make
06:01something out of nothing in terms of offensive plays.
06:04You're missing that right now.
06:05Maybe you bring him up here.
06:06He does well.
06:07And again, like maybe that's giving him too much of the benefit of the doubt because this
06:11was supposed to be a good training, pivotal training camp for him.
06:14Didn't do a whole lot.
06:16Not great.
06:17But I think when you look at just the lack of finishing ability on this team and what
06:22he can provide, and even like Merkulov, like he didn't have a standout, I would say, stint
06:28up here earlier.
06:29But you saw like on that power play when he was out there on the second unit as kind of
06:32another guy waiting for a one timer, like, but don't do that.
06:36Like that gives you a different look, at least a guy that maybe can can score you some goals.
06:42So I think at this point where if you're looking for a shakeup, and as you said, maybe trades
06:46have to happen first, but what do you have to lose when, like, especially guys like Merkulov
06:51and Lysel, like you got to figure out what you have these guys sooner rather than later.
06:55We're going to wait till next year.
06:56I don't think like that's even going to be the situation.
06:59So we keep saying that we keep, oh, next year.
07:02Next year's the year where you're going to see those guys.
07:03I also think Lysel has no trade value.
07:05As of now, I see people all the time being like, oh, trade Lysel, he can be part of the
07:08package.
07:09No, he's not much.
07:10There's not much value there.
07:12The whole idea of him being a first round pick is sort of gone at this point.
07:15And the whole idea of him being more a guy that hasn't worked in North American professional
07:19hockey yet is the main narrative with him.
07:22And so like, yeah, bring him up and see what you got.
07:25Because guess what?
07:26If he comes up and he's nothing, then it's like, all right, well, hasn't didn't really
07:30work out.
07:31It sucks.
07:32But how is that any different from where he is right now?
07:33Like you already got Wyatt Johnson's and those guys who are already taking off.
07:37So what if he's, if he comes up here and he's a bust and can't give you anything, well,
07:42at least, you know, as opposed to just having him in Providence where you're like, well,
07:45the numbers aren't good, but the skills there, but they don't want to like, let's figure
07:48it out.
07:49Figure it out.
07:50Lysel, this team is, has plenty of guys that are scoring at the NHL level.
07:54Like and, and you don't have many guys at the NHL level who have on this roster around
08:01the league.
08:02Yes.
08:03But on this roster, no.
08:04Who have his skill.
08:05Same with Murkuloff.
08:06Murkuloff has, is a, such a highly offensive player.
08:09Your middle six right now does not have many of those guys.
08:12Coil's not one of them.
08:14Frederick geeky.
08:15Um, Zach is in your, in your, in your, your top six, this and that.
08:18But like, you don't have a lot of that, um, on your roster.
08:23So I'm with you.
08:24You've got nothing to lose.
08:25And if Lysel comes up and does great, a, he could be a long-term fit here or B, then you
08:31trade him.
08:33You build up his stock a little bit and deal him.
08:35So like, I don't see the problem with bringing him up.
08:38I want to see all three of those guys and Patras like legitimately earned it and probably
08:42should be back.
08:43So that's a whole different case.
08:44But I agree with you.
08:45I agree with you.
08:46Bring up, bring up the kids, let them play, let the kids have at it.
08:51Uh, next question comes from Vince, who asks, uh, two questions.
08:56One has Jeremy swimming, lost the respect of his teammates to, if his play continues
09:01to falter to the Bruins entertained trade offers for him in the off season.
09:05Thanks in advance.
09:06You want to take this one first?
09:09Yeah.
09:10Uh, first, uh, yes.
09:11Thank you for the question, Vince, uh, in terms of losing respect for teammates, I don't
09:15buy into that.
09:16That was a narrative early on of like, uh, the Bruins resent in terms of his holdout
09:22and all those things like that.
09:23I don't get too much into that of, you know, talking to a few players also like a one-on-one
09:29it's like from their perspective there, you know, the whole thing is like, all right,
09:34if you had a beef with someone, am I intentionally, and I take a lot of pride in my game and I
09:38get paid my contract, am I intentionally going to make myself play like a dickhead and look
09:42like a fucking asshole on the ice just to own my teammate who I have a grudge against?
09:46Like that's something that's something you see in like, you know, movies, like you don't
09:51see it.
09:52I think like that's the whole thing.
09:53Uh, dealing with these pro athletes, uh, these guys, uh, are very, uh, proud of their own
09:58games and also think they're really fucking good at what they do, which they are like,
10:02they don't let grievances come in the way of them looking like a dickhead on the ice.
10:06I think it's the main thing for it.
10:09And again, that, that, that has been like, I've heard that storyline on like radio and
10:17stuff like that.
10:18And it's, it adds a lot of drama and I know those things, but I don't think it's, it's
10:22something like that where it's guys are letting them down just because they didn't like the
10:25contracts or anything like that.
10:27So I don't think he's lost records teammates.
10:29I think it's just play has not been there, especially from swimming himself, which he'd
10:33be the first to say, um, in terms of, uh, trading swimming, uh,
10:39So, you know, I think for me, it's still a guy that even if his numbers aren't there
10:43this year, um, and you hope he improves, he's still a guy that you've committed the money
10:47to that.
10:48Um, I still think he's a foundational piece of this team.
10:52Like the, the timing of him regressing this year has not been great.
10:56When you look at just the entire, all the drama and stuff like that, it's not great,
11:00but I mean, look at like, you know, she's stirking at a down year last year to not saying
11:04that.
11:05Sure.
11:06Circan and Swayman are one a one B, right.
11:07But, uh, this is also a sport with a lot of variants that I bank more on just the variants
11:13of shit going haywire this year, as opposed to it being a trend of regression, I would
11:18say off of one, you know, really, really bad two months stretch here, as opposed to like
11:23being like, this is, this is the start of, of the downturn for Jeremy Swayman.
11:27I'm not, I'm not getting into that yet.
11:29So I don't think you should trade them.
11:30Like even if you get to this off season.
11:31Yeah.
11:32I'm with you.
11:34Yeah.
11:35He has the no move.
11:36He has the no movement clause.
11:37Um, he just signed here.
11:39Like there's no way he would approve of any team going to any team.
11:43Um, and in terms of if, even if they could, like I'm with you on this, um, I consider
11:49him one of the three pillars of this team.
11:51He's one of your main parts of your core going forward.
11:55It's I know the Bruins have been good at developing goalies over the last 20 years under goalie
11:59Bob.
12:01But like, if you did trade Swayman, what's your next, who's your next guy?
12:05Like what is the, who internally are you turning to?
12:09Are you signing someone?
12:11Like if you have a good goalie prospect, he hold onto them and you develop them and they've
12:15done that with Swayman and it's worked.
12:17And I know this season has been bad so far, but I think given the start to the year, given
12:24the fact that the entire team has been bad, it's not just Swayman.
12:28It's not like everyone's having great years and Swayman's having a horrible one and he's
12:31losing them game after game when they should be winning.
12:34He's lost them a couple of games, but they've also like lost the games past him too.
12:38I mean, guys have just been on like Winnipeg, Dallas, all these games.
12:42So I'm not, I'm not there on trading him.
12:44I do think you have to see what you have next year when he has a full training camp and
12:48how he rebounds from this.
12:50Um, in terms of losing respect, like do I think guys were probably annoyed with the
12:55contract situation?
12:56Yeah, I do.
12:58Um, do I think that, you know, it affected training camp?
13:01Yeah, it did.
13:02But there were other things and I, and I, they're not playing worse in front of him
13:07because of it.
13:08I'm with you.
13:09Like they're probably like, it's not, yeah, it's not like they're, uh, they're in like
13:14the, the kitchen area and they all sit at the table with their trays and stream, which
13:18is sounding like, oh, yeah, it's not, it's not like that.
13:23It isn't.
13:24And obviously you want guys to get paid and everything.
13:25I think they, you know, they all want to get paid what they feel they're worth and
13:29then some.
13:30Um, but like, yeah, I think it, it caused a big distraction.
13:33It was the biggest storyline throughout camp.
13:35Um, you also had Montgomery and his future as like a real storyline throughout camp.
13:39And so it was sort of the perfect storm of crap.
13:42Plus guys just were really complacent.
13:45And even you heard Sweeney mentioned this after Montgomery got fired and guys just kind
13:49of thinking, oh, I got 60 points last year, I'll just do it again.
13:51Like you also had that too.
13:53So, um, we're like, you know, are they intentionally playing like crap in front of him?
13:59No.
14:00Um, but do I think that there are guys who were probably, who were annoyed by it and
14:03were irked and are like, damn, can this dude like shut his mouth?
14:07Probably.
14:08Probably.
14:09So yeah.
14:10Yeah.
14:11So fun stuff.
14:12Yeah.
14:13That is the, uh, that is the Swainman talk.
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14:57Now, NHL is tough to Bruins stuff to do right now.
15:00I mentioned this on Bruins beat.
15:01You could do time on ice, maybe do hits, Brad Marsh and more goals.
15:06Maybe you do that, but, uh, the Celtics exist, Celtics exist, more points for Tatum Brown.
15:12You also have, I almost said the Patriots, but, uh, I don't know if I'd go either.
15:16Drake May's really good.
15:18Maybe you aren't passing yards for Drake May.
15:19I don't think that's a bad idea going up against the Cardinals this week.
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15:48Run your game.
15:49Uh, let's continue with questions.
15:51These are good.
15:52I saw some of them on Twitter, so I'm excited to answer some.
15:55Yeah.
15:56So, uh, this one, uh, this person's, uh, Twitter name is actually just, uh, uh, a flex.
16:01So respect that question.
16:03Uh, he asked, or she, I don't know, it's just, it's just a flex.
16:07So the muscle, the bicep asked, yes, asks, uh, considering the Bruins have no one C insight
16:14barring Potra or Laterno, uh, surpassing expectations, and they don't have the assets to trade for
16:20one.
16:21Do you think it's worth selling this year in hopes to drafting a center that can play
16:23while 88, 73, and one are still in their prime?
16:27Yes.
16:28Yes.
16:29I think this is the whole thing.
16:31Like, and again, the jury, the jury is out on Laterno.
16:34The jury's gonna be on Laterno for a long time.
16:35I think BC has them as like the fourth line center right now.
16:38Like it's going to be years.
16:39Yeah.
16:40Yeah.
16:41It's going to take time.
16:43In turn, like I am for this and I'm not saying like, you know, like we can get, I think someone
16:49asked about Marsh and if, if my eyes proved me correct.
16:53So like, we'll get to that in a bit, but like, I'm at the point after the Winnipeg and Seattle
16:58games where I fully believe this team should enter a little bit of a retool for the rest
17:04of the year.
17:05It doesn't need to be next year too.
17:06You know, I mean, again, it comes down to, do you have like our guys, what are you getting
17:10for these guys?
17:12What are you getting for Trent Frederick or geeky?
17:14Do you have to dip into trading like a Carlo or a coil?
17:18Like then you get into a little bit bigger returns, but those like Carlo would be a legitimate
17:23loss.
17:24Like that's a, he's a leader on this team.
17:26That's a real guy.
17:27I like Brandon Carlo a lot as a player.
17:29Like I know it hasn't been the best season, but like, that's a, you know, are you getting
17:33into that?
17:34But yeah, if they, I mean they have their first round pick this year and if they continue
17:39at this rate, it's probably going to be somewhere like 15 to 20.
17:45And if they make the playoffs sort of in that range too.
17:49But if they could get another, if you could find a way to get another first, like I'm
17:52with them.
17:53If you can, like if you can continue to draft centers and stuff like that, or even just
17:56the best available, because LaTorno was sort of the pick LaTorno was like the one C pick
18:01the, you know, swing for the fences type thing.
18:04If you just want to pick the best available in the first round, like you could do that
18:07too.
18:08Yeah.
18:09I'm, I'm, I'm for that.
18:10What about you?
18:11Yeah.
18:12No, I agree.
18:13I think you have to target another center.
18:14And it, which sucks.
18:15Right.
18:16Cause I feel like, I think we've mentioned this on a few podcasts earlier that like what
18:21this team desperately needs to add to the system is like a guy, like a winger who like
18:25you look at his numbers and he like lit up the OHL, like, like I remember last year,
18:29the guy that I think Ty really wanted was that Liam Greentree who played on like a really
18:32crappy OHL team or maybe it was WHL, but like was lighting it up.
18:36And it's like a guy like that who like, you can at least be excited about too.
18:40Maybe it remains to be seen how they do in like Providence or the NHL, but like you draft
18:45them and they like just stuff the stat sheet in juniors.
18:49Like, ah, we got someone there.
18:50It's kind of like, remember like the first few years of Seneca, we were like, oh my God,
18:54this guy's unbelievable.
18:55Again, maybe that's just, maybe this is injecting false hope.
18:58Whereas it's kind of the inverse of LaTorno where I think we all said before the year,
19:03like this guy should be in the USL USHL this year.
19:06Like first year is going to be a lot of growing pains, but you hope it, it maps out for them.
19:11So I mean, hell, if you get another first round pick or something like that, that'd
19:15be great in terms of targeting a center and like a scoring wing, it's going to be tough
19:19this year.
19:20Cause it does feel like, you know, listen, the draft can change rapidly over the next
19:25couple of months, but it does feel like it's a couple of top centers, a couple of top wings.
19:29And then a lot of like the middle of the first rounds, like defenseman, this is a few
19:33guys.
19:34It was like a Jake O'Brien, which I just always point him out.
19:36Cause he feels like a guy that Bruins would take because of his name.
19:39No, I think he's, I think that could be like middle of the pack, you know, 10 to 20 that
19:50are more of like trying to think of like guys last year where there was a few guys that
19:55were taken before the Bruins got on the clock with what turnout that were kind of like high
19:59floor, low ceiling centerman, where they were viewed as like pretty solid, like three Cs.
20:05Like I'm no, I don't know how many sentiment it is.
20:07There was one name we talked about.
20:09I forget.
20:10It really was really bothering me as to, I'd have to look it up, but that would take, take
20:13away some time.
20:14But it does feel like this draft is kind of similar where I think it's more of a smaller
20:20sentiment or guys with that high floor, which again, your DMV, DMV don't like the complete
20:26inverse of that as a guy like Paterno where it's like, we don't know what his floor is,
20:29but shit, he could be like a Tate Johnson, right.
20:33But I think for the Bruins, the most important thing is just getting a sticking with that
20:37first round pick and bringing some sort of forward into this organization to see what
20:43do you have?
20:44The more you, the more you're able to draft, the more you're able to hopefully hit on at
20:47least one of these guys.
20:48Not every single guy is going to be a home run, obviously, but the more you jump, the
20:53more you put in a lottery ticket, the more chances you're going to have of cashing in
20:56is more or less the thing is.
20:58So I do think that if you're able to get another first round pick, I don't know how exactly
21:03you get that, I would say.
21:05But to Mr. Flex, who sent along the question, I don't know how you're getting another first
21:10or something like that, but the more picks you can accumulate and hold onto, because
21:14again, as I said on Bruins beat before, I'm not trading a first for a guy like Crider
21:18that maybe helps you out right now when the rest of the bones of this roster, the rest
21:22of these guys haven't done nearly enough to show you that it's worth investing in right
21:26now.
21:27I could change maybe, but right now I'm holding onto that first round pick and in some sort
21:32of forward that gets some skills, some scoring to this team and hopefully the near future.
21:38I looked up the centers.
21:39I had to do this.
21:40There were three that we talked about, and I think one we talked about more than others.
21:44So Sasha boy there went to the Blackhawks at 18.
21:47Michael Hague was the center.
21:49He went to the Canadiens at 21 and Cole Bowden boat.
21:55He was the he's the like the high floor kind of like he three C for the next like physical
22:01smart player.
22:02Maybe he's not going to like the lamp all that much, but he went at 24 to Utah, so one
22:07before you.
22:08I remember seeing that and being like, oh, damn, there goes the Bruins guy and then end
22:10up taking Laterno.
22:12I also think like it doesn't just need to be a first that they can go out and get like
22:17if they hypothetically if they did a retool and they dealt Frederick and geeky and you
22:21know, maybe some other pieces and they got, you know, they have a couple extra seconds
22:27thirds or whatever.
22:28Like you can get good guys there too.
22:31We at New England Hockey Journal cover the local kids getting drafted quite a bit and
22:36the feeling is always your first three rounds or your most proven commodities or swings
22:41and stuff four through seven.
22:44You if you're picked in the fourth round, you could also be a pick in the seventh round
22:48like that is it's such a crapshoot from four through seven.
22:53So if you can get us some seconds or some thirds or whatever, like there's value to
22:56that too.
22:58There's value there as well.
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24:04Connor, what time is it?
24:07A game time.
24:08It is approximately game time o'clock.
24:12So there we go.
24:13I don't know my watch on but that's that's what it would say.
24:16It's always game time.
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24:21More questions.
24:22What else we got?
24:23Yeah.
24:24This one is from a couple from Anthony Himmelberger who asks have there been any updates on Havis
24:28Lindholm weeks months the team really misses his presence especially offensively getting
24:34in the rush.
24:35He also asks thoughts on 88 going back and forth on if it's mental or physical.
24:39But since he didn't skate before Winnipeg it's got to be physical.
24:43No.
24:44So first off I think with Lindholm still weeks away.
24:49I don't imagine you're going to see him until after the new year barring some something
24:56significant in terms of his recovery.
24:58I think it's still a bit of a ways away.
25:01I don't think we're looking at like February and not or anything like that.
25:04But I don't think anything before the new year for him.
25:07So it's good to I think we set those expectations of when he'd be back.
25:11But as you said Anthony missed you're missing him tremendously.
25:15Like not only just the ability to eat the minutes you know be solid in his own zone
25:19but yeah offensively was one of the few guys even when Montgomery was here I think this
25:24year especially of getting the message of putting pucks on net activating joining the
25:29rush.
25:30And I think that's a big issue when you look at the way they've shifted their mentality
25:32under Sacco about getting any pucks on net as possible.
25:36Lindholm's like yeah sure I can do that.
25:39But the guy always needs to be really good at finding those shooting lanes jumping up
25:42into the play and making things happen.
25:46So again not a lot's gone right for this team but especially when you look at how they were
25:50kind of on the ropes going into that game against the Blues on the road and end up winning
25:54that game.
25:55But where they were at the time his loss has been huge for this team.
26:00I think he's probably been their best overall skater for the first couple of weeks of the
26:03year.
26:04So that's not great.
26:05As far as possible not where do you sit on that Evan in terms of do you think it's mental
26:08physical.
26:10Where are you at with it because it ain't good.
26:13No.
26:14And like he had his issues prior to the year that were physical and like you know that
26:19seemed to be dealt with.
26:20I know he was you know there were questions about him playing in Winnipeg on Tuesday.
26:25So maybe it isn't a physical.
26:27It just feels a little mental.
26:28OK.
26:29I don't know.
26:30I'm not in the room as much as you are.
26:34So I can't speak to you know things that I've heard people say or whatever but like just
26:39watching the games like there's no confidence when he's going down on a rush one on one
26:43on a defender.
26:44Like it seems like defenders have it easy with him.
26:47There was also like a lot of his wrist shots.
26:49It's like he's trying that slingshot goal.
26:52He's trying to do that.
26:53Like that is messing with his regular shot.
26:56He hesitates when he goes to take to when he gets the puck in the one timer spot on
27:02the power play.
27:03We talked about this a lot like backing up almost to the boards just to get open and
27:07then just firing on that to fire it like even the power play goalie scored against Winnipeg
27:12I think hit a stick.
27:13That's why it went into the top corner.
27:15So like right.
27:16Something's up.
27:17I also just wonder if it's deflating the guys around him.
27:22Like again you you've signed here long term clearly loves the city wants to be here like
27:27I'm not saying he doesn't but a big part of him pre signing it was like who who are you
27:31going to play with and Zaka was a bit was a when they got Zaka it was like OK here's
27:37a guy he's from Czech as well like plays well with Pasternak all that and then it was like
27:42they went out and got Elias Lindholm it's like oh my God like you put him a lie with
27:45Zaka Lindholm like this line is going to do numbers and it's broken up after doesn't work
27:50the first couple of games.
27:52Lindholm has not fit with Pasternak yet and the power play stinks and I just wonder if
27:56it's just depressing of like you know he carried the Pasternak carried the offense last year
28:03and I think coming into this year was more of hey you're not going to have to do that
28:05as much Lindholm is going to be great and Zaka and you know all these guys are going
28:09to carry their weight and they haven't either and I just wonder if that's part of it where
28:13it's like I'm playing I'm not playing with anybody who's near my level and I don't know
28:19like Dreisaitl signed up in Edmonton like I don't know who comes in who's at his level
28:25that works with him and we talked about the younger kids earlier like Merkuloff does have
28:29high offense like does that somehow work I don't know I don't know who Pasternak Center
28:35is for the next couple of years I don't know yeah I do think it's mental what about you
28:40yeah I think it's a little bit of both I think he's clearly dealing with something I think
28:43his whole offseason was kind of thrown out of whack which doesn't help help out in that
28:47regard either but yeah I also think it is a lot of it with confidence and as you said
28:52like it's not great that he hasn't found a stable center but like Pasternak's also one
28:57of the rare players I think in the league that is so good offensively that he should
29:00be able to generate with anyone I mean shit look at what he did with what did he do with
29:04Eric Holla like that was you know like so I know and it's not trying to pile on Eric
29:10Holla who's had a very good career and he's been pretty solid with the Devils as well
29:13but was Lindholm's a better player than Eric Holla like and again we look at like Pavel
29:18Zakha went from being a 30 point like like the devil is ready to move on from him even
29:24at his age to now a guy that should be hovering around 55 65 points a year that's like what
29:29he's been once he's been with Pasternak so I do think he's dealing with some sort of
29:35injury which I think is not helping him but as you said there's so many instances where
29:39even if he's banged up which every player is like once you get to this point of the
29:43season it's only gonna get worse as the year goes on he should still be a guy that's bearing
29:48pucks like he's got that skill level that when he's confident he can make a lot of plays
29:52kind of out of nothing and you're just seeing him fight it right now if either being hesitant
29:56to shoot overthinking things and split second like it just hasn't been there for him right
30:02now and it's even to snap out of it because if it was ever a time where the Bruins desperately
30:06need him to go off I mean it's happened like seven or eight times in this season alone
30:11where you're like wow they could lose a two goal game for Pasternak a nice takeover game
30:15hasn't been there I also wonder like physicality wise you know you've seen these playoffs teams
30:20target him hard and they play him hard and I don't know sometimes he seems a little easy
30:26to knock off pucks and I wonder if the mo is kind of out on him during the regular season
30:29where it's like hey this team has no other stars you know this is the one guy you need
30:34to shut down just be really physical with him and that's also kind of hurt his confidence
30:39and that's hindered his ability to really do anything and like I you know am I worried
30:44about him long term no but again I just you know when is he going to snap out of this
30:49this has been pretty much the whole year to this point so that's been basically over two
30:53months so I think it's a mix but I do think that lack of confidence is it's been it's
31:00been a while yeah not great not great at all Evan one final one we got this from Mike
31:07O'Connor who asks hey guys is it time we start looking at assistant coaches role with the
31:12team seems like Kelly and Leach are struggling to keep their system in place power play PK
31:16neutral zone in the D zone or is it a personnel issue in the lineups thank you for the question
31:21Mike I think it's probably a bit of both like I think it's the roster is what it is and
31:26they're not performing but I think there are areas where you need more adjustments
31:31I think especially the power play is the one where it's like they got to switch things
31:34up I think the D zone structure you can look at the numbers be like wow they've regressed
31:39they weren't all that great last year even before Leach got there they were giving up
31:42a lot of high danger looks a lot of quality chances and they were just bailed out by all
31:47mark and swin both playing at a very high level so I think that's more personnel but
31:52I think the power play right now is something that needs to change in terms of getting more
31:58guys involved in the bumper which you haven't seen with Elias Lindholm who we don't know
32:02what his status is now moving guys around a little bit maybe like moving posture off
32:06of his usual spot having him more mobile and holding on to the puck in other areas maybe
32:11up high or something like that I think that power play where how stagnant it's been with
32:16the talent that is out there that's something that doesn't need to change I completely agree
32:22I think that needs fresh eyes I know Kelly has stayed on as the power play guy because
32:28I know Sacco was adamant that hey you know as I take over we're not going to change every
32:32single thing you know I'm going to change all assignments and stuff go you know immediately
32:38I do think you need to change that who takes that over I don't know like does does Leach
32:43take hold of it does does Sacco do they bring in another assistant like midseason I was
32:49asked about this on that I think it was what's brewing podcast couple weeks ago of like hey
32:53who in the city or who could they bring in like midseason got college coaches and and
33:02other professional coaches whether the AHL or whatever they're midseason unless it's
33:07a guy internally not like it's going to be hard to get people to move and and and all
33:11that stuff and like me you can like it is the Bruins but like it that makes it a little
33:17bit harder it just needs fresh eyes and we talked about this weeks ago guys need to be
33:21in different spots like take posh talk away from the one timer put them near the bumper
33:26or you know just put people in different spots and change up how teams have to cover you
33:32open up other options like in that in that hasn't been and look at it as a fresh start
33:37to Leach has obviously improved defensively because you're right like high danger chances
33:42haven't been as prevalent the goaltending has been the issue this year whereas last
33:46year the goaltending hit all of your defensive faults it was the other thing the Ross is
33:52that a roster problem yeah I mean the roster's been brutal it's dad like you know again like
34:00I thought this roster was better than they I thought this roster was going to be way
34:04better so like I you know I was kind of with the Bruins on that I thought they'd be really
34:08good and they haven't been they've been terrible it did no one ask about trading marsh and
34:12I swore I thought I saw a question of yours trading marsh and I think I did see one I
34:17didn't have it pulled up right now but where do you stand on that I I don't want to do
34:24it and I don't think they would do it but if they he has that I think he has the no
34:31movement correct I believe I believe so like he would have to approve where he went yeah
34:36I don't think he wouldn't waive that so like that's gonna hurt your what you're gonna get
34:40it's like sort of like Taylor Hall a couple years ago people like oh my god what a steal
34:44for Don Sweeney it's like well because Hall was really gonna go to Boston so like there's
34:49not much that the Sabres could ask for I still think you would get a like legitimate things
34:55back from our shed like you mentioned a guy who's like lighting up junior so again I don't
35:04want them to trade marsh and but if they were not getting they're not getting James Higgins
35:08no no no I'm not doing that I'm not going down that road that's not happening I'm looking at
35:12Colorado because he's friends with Nathan McKinnon that would be a spot that I think
35:17if we're being realistic would be a spot he would go to because they're still in the playoff hunt
35:20they have a good core like all that stuff they drafted in 2023 late first rounder Cal Richie
35:27which I don't I don't know a lot about this player I just know he has like 34 points and 18 games
35:32with Oshawa he's 6-2 there are people who are way more know a lot more about him than I do so I'm
35:37not going to pretend to like know what he's like or whatever but like if you're going to trade
35:41marsh and you better either get a first rounder in return and or some sort of top prospect and
35:49Colorado has that guy with Cal Richie and they have I believe they have their first
35:53so like there are there that is a team that has assets to give you if you were to entertain
36:00trading marsh and now the downside to that obviously is he's your captain you would have
36:06him you want him to retire a Bruin he's had a lot of success here and to me I think he's one of the
36:11most interesting if not the most interesting player in the NHL I think he's definitely
36:15someone's got to do a book on him at some point but I just if you if you want to be better long
36:23term for the read for a retool you that's something you could entertain the thing is
36:29though he's still producing he's he's he's played a lot better over the last month and the second
36:34on your point team in points he's a legit fixture in your top six like you need him but I just
36:41wonder if they said you know what this is not working out and if they said to marsh and like
36:46hey we're probably need to do a retool for the next two years do you really want to sign on
36:50to do that I just wonder if they would entertain it and what you could possibly get I'm not saying
36:56you would fully revamp your whole roster with that trade but if you could get a first and a
37:02mid to high level prospect maybe you know maybe a second or a third rounder as well like I don't
37:09know yeah I don't know what do you think I think it just depends on how how badly things degrade
37:14here right if this team that's the other party not if this even looks like they're not gonna
37:17make the playoffs they go oh and five on this road trip and they're out of the picture in January and
37:23February then I think that changes things right but if they're still like clinging on and hope
37:28they can get a wild card spot and I'll say that people like well that they shouldn't be they should
37:33just sell instead of trying just to punch a ticket the playoffs it means they're going to get bounced
37:38in five games or have you that's a legitimate argument but I still don't think if you're
37:42trading a guy like marsh and this team that still thinks they've got the bones of a team that should
37:48be competitive I don't think you've seen anything this regular season that's painted that as being
37:53legitimate but I think a lot would have to go wrong this seem to really entertain an option
37:59when they trade a guy like marsh and again oh god yeah what yes and it depends on what the return
38:04would be and uh his ability with the no movement to to change things again it's like the same thing
38:09of I know I think I think it's a modified no tray I'm not sure it's a no movement it was no movement
38:14and it's like I just want to go to Colorado well you could be in the same spot of the the sabers
38:19with uh taylor hall who had really good value as like a what was he 30 I think when they got him
38:25like and they got him for nothing like so it if he has a no modified no trade it's modified no trade
38:34so uh that gives you a little more options if it was no movement I'd be like no because
38:37if he only wants to go to Colorado Colorado knows that they'd be like all right here's
38:41here's a second that's exactly you know that's the problem like that's the the things I mentioned
38:47Callum Ritchie first round picks are off the table if they're the only team and that's all
38:52and I also agree like if they're in a if they continue to do what they've done so let's say
38:57the rest of this road trip they win you know they go one one and one and they're still in and around
39:03the wild card they're not dealing him like they want to make the playoffs they this is a team that
39:09fully expected the beginning to be cup contenders and they're not giving up on trying to make the
39:13playoffs so if they continue at the rate that they're at where they're hot and cold in the
39:17middle of the pack they're not trading Marshad they are not um and I agree with you I think
39:23like anything can happen in the playoffs like I'm not saying go invest in this team but like if
39:27they're comfortably in that third Atlantic spot like and then maybe yeah maybe don't like retool
39:34you know just see what you have and roll with it um but to to go into my scenario of oh it's a first
39:40and this and that like for Marshad they would have I mean they would be well out of the playoffs
39:46like that would be when you would when you would trade Marshad but I think it's an interesting
39:49thing because it would probably help you in getting talent around the guys you have now
39:57for the next 10 years the problem is like it would be unproven talent and things can go bad
40:04because trading Marshad is you're getting close to a rebuild it's not it's it's still a retool
40:10but it's close and Marshad's a great leader great captain and I think holds the fabric of that room
40:18together and you let go of him and it's suddenly on McAvoy and Pasternak who have shown you
40:24nothing this year um in terms you know have not shown you a lot this year I shouldn't say nothing
40:28haven't shown you a lot this year in terms of leadership um so I I don't have a ton of confidence
40:34in that either so it's a slippery slope but I think it's a fun debate topic didn't think we'd
40:38be talking about it this year but here we are and here we are questions that's about it yeah
40:44we have we have a whole lot more but I'm also I've got four percent left in my laptop battery so
40:50I don't want to go yeah I don't want to go radio silent either so we had a whole bunch of questions
40:57so thank you everybody thank you for the support and we'll uh we'll do these more we should do
41:01these more throughout the year because you know guess we get to hear what the people think uh
41:05Connor what can the people look forward to from you over at the globe and boston.com
41:09yeah you can uh read me over at the globe boston.com we've covered every step of the
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