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00:00PokeTheBear is brought to you by PrizeFix and the GameTime app.
00:07And welcome into PokeTheBear episode 296 presented by PrizeFix and GameTime tickets.
00:13My name is Connor Ryan.
00:15Once again, we are joined by the esteemed, the ever studious, Ty Anderson of 985.
00:21What's up, Ty?
00:22How you doing?
00:23Studious.
00:24Studious.
00:25Yes, I do have all my research numbers, I suppose.
00:28I'm doing all right.
00:30We're living in a world now where the Bruins have ended their losing streak.
00:35Not out of the woods, but it's four points.
00:38And so I think this team needs that.
00:40And so the show will not be as dour as it's been, I feel like, as a result of what they've
00:45done this week.
00:47I will say the vibes weren't great last week.
00:51I would say that it was justified considering how brutal the Bruins were over an extended
00:58stretch of losing six games in a row.
01:00As you said, they do bounce back.
01:02They do win two games in a row against the Florida Panthers and the Santa Fe Lightning.
01:08The shot volume, the shots on goal, not great in those two games, but they still four points
01:13is four points.
01:15Clearly what this team needed was the power of friendship to right the ship after Brad
01:21Marsh and David Pasternak.
01:23Turn your DMs off, by the way, everybody.
01:26Yes, exactly.
01:28Keep an eye out on those things.
01:31I would say beyond the power of friendship, though, Ty, which we can't underestimate,
01:35it is a driving factor in many championship runs, many great teams fueled by that, fueled
01:41by narratives involving rogue DMs flying out there, what have you.
01:46What have you thought about just the play on the ice these last two games?
01:50Are you encouraged by the four points, which I guess is rather obvious, but are you encouraged
01:55by the response or there's still things you're looking at of like, that's good, but I don't
02:00know how sustainable that is.
02:02Yeah, I think the biggest thing you can take away from the two games is that Jeremy Swayman
02:07looks like Jeremy Swayman, the one that you were happy to pay 8.25 million or maybe not
02:14happy, but at least accepting of paying that man that much money.
02:19And I think that's the most important thing for this team.
02:21You look at this team, the way they're built, the holes they have, the roster they've built,
02:27the greatest X factor they have is their goaltender.
02:30If he can get going and he can be dominant, that masks a lot of their inefficiencies,
02:35their power play, their five on five scoring, the lack of punch there.
02:39If he can play like that every game, which is going to be really hard, obviously, but
02:43if he can be a 9.25 kind of goaltender from here on out, they're going to be in good shape.
02:48It's going to allow them to skate by a lot of their issues and win a lot of games that
02:55they should lose or that they were losing back in November, December and the start of
02:59the new year.
03:00So if that can continue to surge, they're in a good spot.
03:05But I think that the Tampa game, I don't know how you feel about it, but being there watching
03:13that game, it didn't feel like they were straight up dominated like the way they were in Florida.
03:18It felt like that was a they're out to a 4-0 lead, their foot's off the gas, and that's a
03:23scoring effect, you know, score effect, kind of shot total, not while they were dominated,
03:28lucky to get out of there with two points at the Florida game.
03:31They were dominated the Tampa game.
03:32I didn't feel that way personally.
03:34Yeah, no, I agree.
03:35Listen, I'll tell you what, Ty, I was just happy that we had a actual entertaining game
03:41because God, God help us for the first four months of this year.
03:45There have been a lot of ho-hum, nothing to talk about games where, again, it's usually
03:50been the same flaws, same issues, same results.
03:54In fact, we had, you know, Potra gets called up, contributes right away, sets up Frederick,
03:59Frederick's goal.
04:00You had Michael Callahan making his debut.
04:02Other players step up.
04:04Weatherspoon gets a goal peak.
04:05I think had a really good game.
04:07Swimming continues to play well.
04:10Yeah, I think that I'm just happy the fact that we had a somewhat entertaining game with
04:14multiple narratives, and it's maybe we took it for granted, like in 2022, 23, beyond the
04:19results of just that that was a team that was so deep that every game felt like the
04:23new, you know, it's the inverse of like they say you never want to be the main character
04:27on Twitter for the day, right?
04:30Every game for the Bruins that year was like another.
04:32There was the Bertuzzi game.
04:33There was the Foligno game.
04:34There was you had Poster and I lighting the lamp the entire time, but you and other guys
04:39step up, and I think you look at how the Bruins did respond in that game, and I agree with
04:44you.
04:44It wasn't as lopsided as that Panthers game where they were just repeatedly getting punched
04:48in the face and then just threw an uppercut and knocked Florida out from each other game
04:53went.
04:54I do think it is encouraging, though, as you said of, you know, other guys stepping up,
04:58but most importantly, it's it's swimming, right?
05:01And again, like you look at where he's been, and he's got a 925 the last eight games.
05:06The record still what?
05:07Three and five over that stretch, which means that not getting the margin of error he's
05:11operating with is not great, right?
05:13You'd like to have the team support a little bit more, but if he's playing to that level,
05:17at the very least, you're going to one, steal some games or two going to be in these matchups,
05:22right?
05:23And if guys like Geeky can continue to come along, if a guy like Patra can add some spark
05:30further down the line, which he did on Tuesday, and especially David Pasternak is heating
05:35up.
05:35He's got what?
05:36Six points in his last two games.
05:38I think you expand that even further.
05:41Over a point per game, the last two plus weeks of the season.
05:44So listen, this team is still pretty flawed.
05:48They're still short.
05:50One, two top six players, probably.
05:52But if you have some guys that are slightly pulling on the rope, and most importantly,
05:58swimming, playing at a high level and posture, not going back to being a cheat code as I
06:02give the thumbs up, thumbs up bubble.
06:04Yes.
06:05If those two guys are playing at a high level, you're going to be in most of these games.
06:09And that is, you know, is that fool's gold?
06:11Is that just being a very top heavy team?
06:14Yeah, probably.
06:15But like, I don't know.
06:16You look at the team from 2019 or even before that, 2017 through 2021, and they were pretty
06:25top heavy.
06:26You're just the Martian on posture line, and you let everything fall into place.
06:29Like, if you're this team, and you're pretty desperate for just points right now, you have
06:34to rely on swimming and posture.
06:36I'd kind of bail you out and let kind of the pieces fall where they may.
06:39Yeah, 100%.
06:40And the other part of that is sort of like, that is how you're built.
06:44You know, you didn't go out and add secondary scoring.
06:46You didn't go out and give jobs to Fabian Lysel and Georgie Murkaloff and Matt Potts.
06:51Like you said, you were kind of in the offseason.
06:53So you kind of made your own bed, and now you got to lie in it.
06:56And you got to get the points.
06:58I don't care how you get them.
06:59And, you know, it's kind of interesting, right?
07:01And we're going to talk more big picture stuff, I imagine, after this.
07:05But with the way they play, if they get into the playoffs, are you, I don't know, overly
07:12worried?
07:12Like, do you look at them and go, they're going to get stomped by a team in five games?
07:17Like, they could, but I also look at what they have, and I'm like, they might make it
07:22interesting for somebody.
07:23They might make it interesting for if they were to draw the capitals, you know?
07:28Like, it's like, I don't know if that's a blowout kind of series because of these things
07:33we're talking about.
07:34David Pasternak, the way he responded in game seven a year ago, the way that Swayman played
07:42in the playoffs a year ago.
07:43Like, so for me, it's kind of like, if they get in, I'm not super down on them.
07:49I don't know what I'm going to get.
07:50But if I get what I've seen these last few games from Swayman, from Pasternak, throw
07:55Marcian in there, like, I feel a little bit better about what they can potentially do
08:02as an upset kind of team.
08:03It's just, it's just, this has to be a constant.
08:06Like, these guys we're talking about, Swayman, Pasternak, Marcian, if you want to extend
08:11it to Zaka and Coyle, I'm cool with that too.
08:13Like, those guys got to be a constant in your team.
08:16They got to bring it every night.
08:18They got to play at the top of their game every night, because if you do, you're going
08:20to be a better, deeper team.
08:22And you are not afforded the luxury of those guys not bringing it right now with the way
08:26your roster is built.
08:28Yeah, no, exactly.
08:29And I agree, and we'll probably talk about a little bit more in terms of big picture
08:33and setting expectations for where this team is both for right now and if they do make
08:38the playoffs.
08:39Looking more at the current product on the ice, you know, Kim Neely mentioned the fact
08:44that, you know, they call it Matt Potra.
08:47They thought he was going to be with the team kind of the whole year and took a step back,
08:50which he clearly, I think, needed some seasoning.
08:53But you saw on Tuesday what he can provide this team in terms of his skill and playmaking.
08:59Neely also mentioned that, you know, a guy like Fabian Lysel thinks he's working his
09:03play away from the puck, which I'm still like, how about we see what he can do up here,
09:08considering that guys already aren't playing the puck and aren't really being responsible
09:11in their own end up here with the team right now sitting comfortable with their NHL contracts.
09:16But I don't know what you think, Ty, but were you encouraged by what you saw from Potra?
09:22And do you think that he is a guy that, listen, I don't think this is a thing where we're
09:27going to talk about in late March where Potra is all of a sudden in the top six.
09:32That'd be great if he just exploded and did that.
09:34But even if he's on the third line and you're getting more production out of guys like
09:39Frederick Arezzo or Coyle or what have you, were you encouraged by what you saw from Potra?
09:45And would you like to see some more guys join him up here just in terms of what that spark
09:48could be?
09:49Yeah, can I just say that I absolutely hate that quote of you have to outscore your mistakes.
09:56Yes, I mean, look at this roster.
09:58Who's doing that?
10:00Who's outscoring their mistakes right now on this roster?
10:03They have one guy.
10:04Just a real quick look.
10:06They have one guy who in terms of being on the ice.
10:09I'm talking forwards here just because Potra's a forward.
10:12They have one forward or let me let me check that two forwards who have outscored their
10:18mistakes by at least five goals on the ice.
10:20Do you want to know who they are?
10:22Pavel Zak and Cole Kepke.
10:24That's it.
10:25Okay, that's not great.
10:26Those are the only two guys that have outscored their mistakes by at least five goals this
10:30year.
10:31Martians a plus one.
10:32Geeky's a plus one.
10:33And this is again, this is five on five on ice scoring.
10:36This is not their overall plus minus.
10:38Yeah.
10:39Kaselec plus one.
10:41Brazzo plus two.
10:43And this right, this work, it's funny to me.
10:46Georgie Merkuloff two to one.
10:48He's actually a plus one.
10:50Fabian Lysel plus one, one, one, nothing.
10:53Like, what are you talking about?
10:55What do you mean?
10:56It's like outscore your mistakes.
10:57Those guys are Matthew Potra was a minus two, whatever.
11:02I don't care.
11:06Yeah, no, I do.
11:08Like, I think you do look at the way that like the what little rope is afforded to these
11:15kind of players like a Merkuloff and Lysel when again, the product on the actual ice
11:20just isn't cutting it.
11:21Just isn't cutting it in terms of the guys that are already up here.
11:25And again, it goes back to what we said, like if this team is going to be in a situation
11:30where, you know, this this season is either a loss cause or one where the expectation
11:38should be set low, where if you make the playoffs great and you see just kind of what happens,
11:42I don't think I'm expecting this team to be playing into late May, early June would be
11:46great, but I don't think it's realistic to go in with any of those sorts of views.
11:51I'd rather see what these guys can do up here.
11:54And listen, if they do suck and are a black hole defensively, one, will it be that much
12:00different from what we've seen up here in terms of guys not being careful with the puck,
12:03making dumb mistakes?
12:05And two, if they are that bad, and it really is a complete detriment to the team.
12:09Well, now, you know, and we don't have to keep on talking about this.
12:11I'd rather just not have to talk about this.
12:12I'd rather go into next year, knowing that like a guy like Merkuloff and Lysel are either
12:17not in the picture or are comfortable in terms of like, oh, that guy is not another
12:22one that we go in early September.
12:25And Sweeney or whoever is running the show here doesn't have to talk about them as being
12:29the well, he could fit in here.
12:32Let's get let's get the clarity and figure out what these guys can do.
12:35Because again, you saw what Patra Patra is not a finished product by any means.
12:39That guy is still probably going to get rocked.
12:41He's still going to get outmuscled along the boards.
12:43But you saw what he can do when he has the puck on his stick and a little bit of space.
12:48And that's not going to happen every single game.
12:50But when you're this desperate, and he must have worked so, so hard to generate any sort
12:55of offense, a guy like Patra can make the difference.
12:58And his play alone got you rolling in that game and set the tone for what was a four
13:03nothing lead out of the gate.
13:05Yeah.
13:05And sorry about that.
13:06My mic got unplugged there for a moment.
13:08Um, yeah, what I feel is that, you know, I, I look at that team and I look at the outscoring
13:16their mistakes.
13:17And it's like, well, nobody's doing that.
13:18So you can't cling to that anymore, especially when you have like the fifth worst goal differential
13:22in the NHL or whatever it's been this year.
13:24Like you like that's not that's no longer a viable excuse, especially I think with the
13:30where the way the game is trending.
13:32And then you look at the guys that committed significant minutes to over over the span
13:36here.
13:37Max Jones was outscored.
13:38I think five, one, Riley Tufte was I think zero to three.
13:42Tyler Johnson broke even Walsham is a minus one.
13:46So it's like, okay, well then apply that metric to everybody.
13:48Not just your younger players.
13:50You know, like if you're going to sit here and tell me that guys can't guys can be responsible,
13:55then that's going to apply to everybody.
13:56They can't just apply to just guys who are under 23 years old.
13:59That's not fair.
14:00That's not how that works.
14:01Like, and that just shows, I think, a lack of understanding of where the game is trending.
14:06That's a great motto for 1998 Pat Burns and the Bruins to have.
14:11It's not it's not a great motto for 2025 NHL standards.
14:16It's just not watching it.
14:17You know, I've said this before this podcast.
14:20I know last night I watched I watched Edmonton, Colorado.
14:26Mistakes galore.
14:28Mistakes galore.
14:29Every every shift two mistakes.
14:31But it was an electric game with high end, high skill players making high skill plays
14:37like that's that's what it is.
14:38That's the game.
14:39Now the game is high risk, high reward.
14:41And if you don't want to accept that, that's fine.
14:44But you're going to get left in the dust.
14:46That is just how I feel about that.
14:47And you're going to have a certain ceiling that's on your team every year.
14:51I would rather not be the Ken Hitchcock Blues who were great.
14:56They allowed 15 shots a game.
14:58But every postseason they maxed out in the second or the third round.
15:02I would not want to be the Barry Trotz Islanders who suffocated teams but lost in the second
15:08or third round every year.
15:10Like you got to embrace the high end skill.
15:13You got to embrace the mistakes.
15:14And especially when your NHL roster, like we've said, they're making those same mistakes.
15:20So I say release them.
15:23Let them go.
15:24Figure it out in your base.
15:26Conor should be strong enough.
15:28When you go out and you sign Lindholm and you have Charlie McAvoy and Nikita Zdorov,
15:34Brandon Carlo, Brad Marchand, one of the best two-way wings in hockey, Charlie Coyle, who
15:38got some Selke love a year ago, you should have a strong enough base where you can bring
15:43in guys that are not good with the puck, perhaps responsibility-wise, and bring them along
15:49in a way that doesn't sink your entire team.
15:51And if you can't do that, you built a bad team.
15:54Yep.
15:55No, exactly.
15:55I do think right now in this team, again, points are at a premium.
15:59You need to get some sort of spark.
16:00Get going here.
16:01Bring up the kids.
16:02See what they can do.
16:04Ty, before we continue to talk about this team and what the next steps are for them,
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18:12Ty, when you look at the Bruins right now, and yes, it's all well and good.
18:17They've won two in a row.
18:18They have not completely bottomed out.
18:20The issue is, and this is what I think we've mentioned since November when this team was
18:26really struggling and the message in the locker room was, oh, we're fine.
18:29We still have time.
18:30Don't worry about it.
18:32It is not looking great right now when you look at the number of teams behind them in
18:35the standings who are, one, playing really well, and two, still have a lot of games in
18:41hand.
18:42Thursday, the Bruins did not play, and it was probably about as disastrous as you could
18:47want in terms of every team behind you winning.
18:51Every single team, like Columbus won again.
18:54What?
18:54Ottawa, they get a point, played a pretty tough game against the Capitals.
18:59Montreal wins.
19:01Detroit wins.
19:02Rangers win.
19:03So as of right now, the Bruins are in the second spot in the wildcard, 49 points.
19:10And right behind them, Ottawa and Montreal both have 48, both with two games in hand.
19:16Not great, to say the least.
19:19Yeah, that was wild.
19:21Watching the games last night on Thursday night, watching all the results and going,
19:27wow, that's not what you wanted.
19:29Pretty much across the board.
19:31Yeah, this is going to be a dogfight, and I thought it was really telling.
19:36You know, I'm not one of these, like, I don't love obsessing over the numbers and the
19:40projections because it's so hard this time of year.
19:42You know, a team can go lose five in a row.
19:45You know, the hottest team in the league, like the Bruins, were entering the Christmas
19:48break and then come out playing like absolute crap.
19:51But I couldn't believe that.
19:54Playoffstatus.com, which I use to kind of track your playoff odds and whatnot.
19:59Playoff status has the Bruins with a 62% chance of missing the playoffs.
20:05That's not great.
20:06That's not great.
20:07And that was before the games last night.
20:08It's probably gone down, you know, this morning.
20:11But I and Moneypuck has them at 53% as of three weeks ago.
20:17It was 80%.
20:18So they are entering coinflip territory, which is terrifying for the Bruins because that's
20:23you know, the coinflips haven't gone their way historically when they've been that kind
20:27of team.
20:28They have not made the playoffs more often than not.
20:30And so, listen, there's a lot of time between now and game 82.
20:34You know, Ottawa could fall off face the earth.
20:36Columbus could as well.
20:38Montreal probably will.
20:39Honestly, like you look at some of these rosters and it's hard to imagine them playing
20:43800 hockey forever.
20:46But this really makes every point incredibly valuable here in January for the Bruins.
20:53I think if only because, as you mentioned, they have like five teams chasing them right
20:57now.
20:57It's not like, oh, you got to worry about this one team.
20:59It's like, no, that's five of them.
21:00So you need five teams to drop off face the earth.
21:03It's probably not going to happen, honestly.
21:05Yeah.
21:05And again, you look at the number of teams that are in this mix.
21:08And as you said, like, yeah, maybe Montreal doesn't have the metal or just the bodies
21:13right now to keep on that run.
21:14But like you look at like Columbus, like, again, I don't know how that team is on the
21:19run.
21:19Listen, they already feel good story.
21:20And it's great to see them making this push a lot of firepower on that team.
21:24But like you look at Ottawa, they've stayed in the mix.
21:27They haven't bought him out, even though Lena's hallmarks been out.
21:29And let's not forget when he was playing, he was like arguably the best goalie in the
21:33NHL for like three weeks.
21:36So they're still kind of staying.
21:37Again, they're not on like a seven one in one run or anything like that.
21:41But they're treading water right now without all mark in the lineup.
21:44So it also means that where the Bruins are playing them a couple of times here in the
21:48next couple of weeks, you got to take advantage and put this team away in these matchups.
21:52Because last thing you want to do is have it come down to you're in a dogfight with,
21:56you know, Swainman and Omar needing to both bail out their teams to get a playoff playoff
22:02birth here.
22:02And then you look further down the line of like the Bruins.
22:05It's frustrating because they were, you know, both in November before Montgomery's firing.
22:10And then over this extended lull, they had multiple opportunities to really pull away
22:15from a lot of these scenes.
22:16Like you look at the Rangers who are playing a little bit better, but still not great.
22:22But their team that has the talent certainly to go on a run here, you look at like Detroit,
22:26they've been up and down, but they've been great since their coaching change.
22:30And they aren't short on talent.
22:32I don't know what exactly Detroit's ceiling is, but they should be a lot better than what
22:36they've showed the last two-ish years, right?
22:39So yeah, it's definitely a different spot for the Bruins to be in.
22:43Whereas it feels like the last couple of years, we knew that they were going to be one of
22:46the three teams most likely, right?
22:49In the Atlantic.
22:50And you could kind of sit pretty, not worrying about it.
22:52I will say, I don't hate that the Bruins are potentially are looking at navigating through
22:57a wild card to get to the playoffs, because I think it opens up more possibilities.
23:02It lowers expectations.
23:04And I think that's probably the best way to approach it.
23:06This team does make the playoffs.
23:08It's just like, should be like the 21 Red Sox, where you get the playoffs.
23:11So like, ah, what the hell?
23:12And if something good happens, this is great.
23:15If not, well, you know, what are you going to make of it?
23:18But there's no guarantee that's what it's going to be.
23:20It does, as you said, feel like it's going to be a dogfight every single game moving
23:24forward, which maybe that's kind of the kick in the ass this team needs.
23:27Again, whether it's the way you played earlier this year, the inability to separate yourself
23:31from so many of these teams, you kind of reap what you sow.
23:34And it means this team pretty much has to be dialed in from now until April, pretty
23:39much, if they want to even make the playoffs.
23:41Yeah.
23:42And, you know, I think as relates to their plans, the deadline and what they could or
23:47couldn't do or shouldn't do, I think that they're kind of like a gambler that you have
23:53to pull away from the table.
23:56You tried.
23:57You tried.
23:57You went all in for basically seven years in a row.
24:00I think beginning in 2018 through 2024, you made some variation of a move that indicates
24:06that your win now didn't play out that way.
24:11Again, there are different degrees of going all in and buying for this team.
24:15We all agree.
24:15I think their heights were in 2018 and then 2023.
24:20Those were like, all right, you're making your moves.
24:23It didn't work.
24:24And now you got to be pulled away from the table and you got to say, hey, we tried to
24:29hit the jackpot.
24:30We didn't hit it.
24:31We got to walk away.
24:32Like, I think that's kind of where they are right now because you can't, in my opinion,
24:36you're chasing more losses.
24:38Like you're chasing your losses now instead of doing what's probably best for your
24:42franchising or organization.
24:44And so I hope they walk away.
24:46I hope they sell.
24:47I hope that they realize some of the assets that they could bring in if they were to sell.
24:54We've talked about some deadlines and stuff in the past with other teams.
24:57Look at the two year break from buying that the Washington Capitals took.
25:02Look at 2023, where they traded Rasmus Sandin.
25:07They traded Orlov and Hathaway, as we know.
25:09They traded Marcus Johansson.
25:12And then down the road, I think they traded, I don't know if it was that deadline or the
25:15next one.
25:15They traded Lars Eller.
25:16I think it was 23.
25:17They traded Lars Eller to Colorado.
25:19So they trade four players.
25:22They got like, I think, 10 picks for those four players.
25:26Awesome.
25:27They got two first round picks, in fact, along the way.
25:31Then last year, they trade Joel Edmondson.
25:35I believe it was, right?
25:36They trade Joel Edmondson and they trade another player.
25:41I can't remember who exactly right now.
25:43Oh, Anthony Mantha.
25:45They trade Anthony Mantha and they get another five picks, I want to say.
25:49Four or five picks.
25:50In a two deadline span, you got 14 draft picks, essentially.
25:54There's value there.
25:55There's value there in realizing, hey, we could make it, but we're not going to win
25:59it unless something crazy happens.
26:01So let's do what's best for the organization.
26:03Let's sell and let's get back to the drawing board.
26:07And now look at them.
26:08Now, they're a good team again.
26:10And they have an arsenal of draft picks they've either used or will use or can use for trades.
26:16That's huge.
26:17That's huge.
26:18And I think if you're the Bruins, anybody who's not bolted down, I think you got to
26:22take calls on.
26:22You got to see what you can do.
26:24If Anthony Mantha could fetch a second and a fourth in a market that's short on buyers
26:29or sellers, rather, Justin Brazzo could get you something better than what you paid to
26:34bring him in, which was an NHL contract.
26:37It's economics.
26:38And I feel like the Bruins have to accept the economics of their situation.
26:43Yeah, no, exactly.
26:44I do think you look at this team and where they are.
26:46There are going to be some hard decisions that have to be made in the next couple of
26:50weeks.
26:50And we'll dive a little bit more into what came nearly said on Wednesday.
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28:42Ty, as you said, you look at where this team is and what probably is the most realistic
28:47path for this team in terms of knowing when to punt, knowing when to wave the white flag
28:52and, you know, look at long term success of this team.
28:56What did you make of Cam Neely's comments and, you know, his admission?
29:00Again, I think the one thing that Cam Neely has been when he talks to media is pretty
29:03candid, sometimes to a fault.
29:05Sometimes it gets him in the prunes and trouble.
29:07But what did you take from him admitting that this team has to realistically look at
29:11two paths at the deadline?
29:13Yeah, real quick.
29:14I just want to make a quick correction.
29:15The Capitals acquired Rasmus Sandin and then trade him.
29:18Oh, OK.
29:19I had my Eric Gustafson has played for every team in the league.
29:22So I got my wires.
29:23Except the Bruins.
29:24Yes.
29:24Yes.
29:25But basically, to recap it real quick, I wanted to look it up.
29:28The 2023 Capitals for trading Marcus Johansson, Lars Eller, Orlov and Hathaway acquired
29:35and Gustafson acquired two first, two thirds, two seconds and Rasmus Sandin, who's become
29:40a big factor for their defense.
29:42In 2024, they traded three players, Joel Edmondson, Anthony Mantha and Evgeny Kuznetsov.
29:48And they acquired a second, a fourth, two thirds and a fifth round draft pick.
29:53That that is that is insane.
29:55GMing right there, too.
29:56And then they then they spun and they they picked up Logan Thompson at Chikrin and Andrew
30:04Manchiapane for some collection of those draft picks.
30:08Like that is that.
30:10Yeah, that is such a quick turnaround for a team using assets that you acquired.
30:15So anyways, yes.
30:16Going back to Cam Neely.
30:18Yeah, he's been super forthright.
30:19And you know what?
30:20I like that.
30:21I like that better than the GM speak of, you know, just the unknown of like we saying saying
30:26something but saying nothing, which is what Don Sweeney has sort of mastered.
30:31I give him credit.
30:31It's part of his job.
30:33But Don Sweeney will speak for 22 minutes and there'll be maybe four quotes that you
30:37can actually use in those 22 minutes.
30:41So so Neely is always the truth.
30:44You know, it's like you have the Hulk and then you have the Hulk Buster.
30:47It's like it's like Cam Neely is kind of like he's that version.
30:52So, you know, I agree.
30:54I think that it's him.
30:56What I liked about those comments, Connor, was that he acknowledged that their internal
31:02math may have been wrong, you know, like like acknowledging that, yeah, the roster that
31:06we built is not probably not the best.
31:09Right.
31:09And I think that is what I find most.
31:14I don't know.
31:14I would say acceptable.
31:17Right.
31:17Because it's like I was sitting there going, do they think they built a good team when
31:22they fired Jim Montgomery?
31:23We're watching that team.
31:24I think two things can be true at once.
31:25We can acknowledge the roster was bad, but also the coach wasn't getting the most out
31:28of said roster.
31:30But now you're seeing some of the same problems with Joe Sacco.
31:32It's like it's the roster, man.
31:34You don't have enough scoring and speed like you don't have enough skill.
31:37And it's nice to finally get some admission of that.
31:39But what do you do to get out of it?
31:40Right.
31:41And that, I think, is the big question.
31:44I'm going to ask you, do you think they sell?
31:47Because for me, this is this is I don't believe it until I see it.
31:51I just I just don't I don't see it happening.
31:53Yeah, I don't I can't see it.
31:57I agree with you.
31:58I like that they acknowledge that that has to be a tangible scenario.
32:01And I think I like that they admitted like, hey, like we might have overvalued the guys
32:06we already had.
32:07And he said like they shouldn't they went into this year not expecting a lot of guys.
32:12I think he said hit their high side to either continue to do that or build off of it.
32:17Like, I don't think they were like, well, Zaka had 60 points.
32:19So, hell, you could have 75 if he's with Lindholm and Pasternak for a year.
32:23Like if you did go in thinking that that was pretty short sighted and pretty dumb.
32:27If you're if you're that case.
32:28So I like that they admitted that it's not like, well, no, like we still think this team
32:32can like if you're going to be delusional about it, that's when or you just want to
32:36believe what your projections were in September or July when you're building this team.
32:41That's when you run into trouble.
32:42If you put the blinders on, all of a sudden you trudge forward and you're two years into
32:46a team that is now just a fringe playoff team with no future.
32:50That's not great.
32:51So I do like that they accepted that this team has faults that maybe they did not have
32:57the right mindset, but it's one thing to also say, like, yeah, we might have to retool
33:03a little bit.
33:03Nothing to do it like it's it's one thing to and I think from their perspective, right?
33:08Like it's you have the optics of either missing the playoffs or adopting the label as a seller
33:16and what that does for Sweeney and Neely in their jobs, right?
33:20That is probably the most striking thing in terms of why they don't want to admit that.
33:26And also it comes down to, you know, this is a team that they still thought even if
33:30they thought it was a flawed roster, they'd have to address and add another score down
33:34the road, what have you.
33:36There's still a team that they thought going into the year was poised to build off of what
33:39they did the previous season.
33:41And maybe, you know, nearly admitting that negates some of that.
33:45But this is still a team that it's probably tempted.
33:48They got the little green goblin mask being like, just get another 20 goal score, like
33:53two seconds and two seconds in my cell.
33:56And like, all of a sudden, like you look at the math, if like Swayman was what he is now
34:00in, I'm not going to do a creepy Willem Dafoe voice.
34:03So that's why I'm not going to do that.
34:05But really, I love walking in a room is going misery, misery.
34:08Yes, I was going to do the him when he's screaming at the boardroom.
34:14But that's the numbers when it comes to, like, Potter and those guys.
34:19But I could see them looking at this team and like, we're just 120 goal guy away.
34:24And if we can get a guy for a couple of seconds and maybe some guys down in Providence, we
34:29can get this thing really cooking, really firing off here.
34:32Because again, like, it's why it's so frustrating.
34:34You look at this team, because as up and down as they've been, if this team had like Swayman
34:41what he is now back in October, November, if this team had a power play that was 18th
34:47in the league, you know, not functional.
34:50Yeah.
34:51If you had a lot of guys that were playing league average, whether that's Swayman before
34:56the year or the power play being league average, you're probably like second in the Atlantic
35:00right now.
35:00So like, again, that maybe is just the Green Goblin mask telling you what you want to hear
35:05and putting, you know, delusions of grandeur into where this team is.
35:10But again, it comes down to the most realistic or the best path this team probably is to
35:17do what the Capitals did.
35:18Because like, again, if you trade off guys, get draft picks, and you hit on a few guys
35:22this offseason, like you can write the shit pretty quickly.
35:25You still have a 60 goal scorer, a top pair defenseman, two of them, honestly, regardless
35:32of how you want to view Lindholm in the long term, but him and McAvoy, you've got foundational
35:37pieces there on your blue line.
35:39And you've got Jeremy Swayman, like you still have foundations in place to build a team
35:46pretty quickly.
35:46If you are going to do a retool, it's just is the appetite there.
35:50And I think that is the biggest thing.
35:52And even if it's there, it's one thing to, you know, on January 1st, say you're gonna
35:57run four miles a day and no sugar and you're cutting out those things.
36:01And another thing, once you get to, you know, crunch time when it's the middle of January,
36:06it's still dark out at 4pm.
36:08You want to order Domino's and you don't want to do like, you know, it's one thing to say
36:13it and all the right things.
36:14And I think to actually carry it out when the going gets tough and it's gut punch time
36:18and you're the Bruins and you're hell, this team could, you know, middle of February still
36:23be up three points in the standings.
36:24But if a team's calling, you'd be like, hey, Frederick, you know, like that, that is the
36:30thing where what is the right call and what is going to be the short term gains?
36:33And this team has to kind of grapple with that because I think we know what the right
36:37move is, but that's where you're at.
36:41Right.
36:42Yeah.
36:42The siren, the sweet siren song of the cheesy bread with a side of garlic sauce.
36:47Yes.
36:49Yeah.
36:50And here's a little trivia for you because I'm what's when's the last time the Bruins
36:55sold?
36:56Can you remember off the top of your head when the last time they sold was?
37:00Jesus.
37:01Like 15 in the offseason, like.
37:04So in season 2007, 2007 was the last time I did that.
37:09They traded Brad Stewart to Calgary for Andrew Ference and Chuck Kovacs.
37:13It's been almost 20 years since they've done that.
37:16The closest thing that we've had to that, to your point, in season is 2018 when they
37:21traded Frank Petrano for a third round pick, which they then immediately flipped to acquire
37:26Nick Holden.
37:27So it wasn't even a sell.
37:28It was a lateral sell because they wanted to bring in a different kind of player.
37:32So they haven't done this.
37:34And so that's why I think that I don't believe it until I until I see it.
37:38Um, they are not a team that that sells historically.
37:42They just they just simply don't do it.
37:44And but here's here's where it gets.
37:46It gets interesting, right?
37:48Charlie Jacobs also spoke during this gala, and he said, I don't measure success by making
37:54the playoffs.
37:54I measure by championships.
37:57OK, well, then allow your front office to do what's best to get you closer to a championship
38:02this year, which is not simply making the playoffs.
38:04It's selling off guys that are not part of your long term plans.
38:08And if you allow them to do that, you will get closer to what your ultimate goal is.
38:13But if you do that and then you don't make the playoffs and then you fire the GM, you
38:18fire the president.
38:18Well, then you're a liar.
38:19You're a liar.
38:20And you just want to make playoffs.
38:22And I think that's where things get kind of interesting here is that the Bruins, in theory
38:26now, because Charlie Jacobs said that almost have the blessing to make moves that get them
38:32closer to being a contender faster.
38:34Which this year, I hate to say it is selling off guys that are not part of the future and
38:40just acquiring assets to either draft or flip in a trade for something in the offseason,
38:46like the Capitals did.
38:47That is what they got to do.
38:48It's just do they have the actual authority, the blessing, the guts really to do all that?
38:55Yeah, yeah.
38:56We will see in terms of what exactly the Bruins appetite is for a retool rebuild moving forward.
39:02What do you think retool means, by the way?
39:04Real quick.
39:04What do you think that means?
39:05That means hockey trade.
39:06Like you trade a guy who you trade a pending UFA for a guy who is maybe not great, but
39:14has term or is a pending RFA.
39:16Like what like what would that mean?
39:18Retool, in your opinion.
39:20I mean, I think it's probably moving assets that aren't here for the long haul for for
39:24picks and getting somewhat sort of a a clean slate in terms of next year.
39:29Right.
39:29In terms of the offseason of if you're moving guys, you bring in new blood, get draft picks,
39:35you're able to keep your first round pick this year and just bring in someone like right
39:39now, if you're a team that is on the fringe or what have you, and these teams are so jumbled
39:43together, the standings, you could all of a sudden have like the 12th, 13th, 14th pick,
39:48like just off of just missing the playoffs.
39:49These teams are so jumbled together.
39:51So if like this team goes out there and all of a sudden there's a guy that again, I just
39:55want like a player that you look at their stats and like that guy is automatically the
40:00top of our prospect pipeline.
40:01I want some dude from the WHL who maybe he's got to work on his defensive game a little
40:07bit, but he's got 53 goals in 60 something games in WHL, but they need just pure skill.
40:13So if you're able to keep your first move guys that you don't think are here for the
40:17long haul, maybe it opens the door for a hockey trade or something like that.
40:21But I think it's setting resetting a little bit and giving yourself the opportunity to
40:25be bold this off season in terms of keeping your prospect pipeline in place, building
40:31more, adding more assets there while also giving the ability where you still have these
40:34foundational pieces to build off of that going forward.
40:37I think that's how I viewed the retool.
40:39Yeah.
40:39I look at it like maybe you're moving off some guys that have term, right.
40:44And you're, and you're resetting the deck in terms of like your cap space moving forward.
40:50You know, maybe that is a Charlie Coyle.
40:52Maybe that is an Andrew peak, a Brandon Carlo, perhaps like, and you're making more of a
40:57hockey trade, but you're trying to get maybe a sliver more of cap space or, or just address
41:02a position that you think is a long-term need, like, like second line, right wing.
41:07Maybe there's a winger out there who has some term left that the Bruins say, you know what?
41:11If we package this guy and this guy, we bring this guy in.
41:14It's like, yeah, it's going to hurt in 2024, but we're going to solidify a spot that we
41:18need to solidify for a long time.
41:20So that's how I look at it.
41:23I don't know.
41:23Like, I think, I think the seismic sort of shift that people want, A, if it happens,
41:29it's not going to happen.
41:30The deadline and B, I don't know if they're there yet.
41:33I don't know if they're there, like full-on culture shakeup.
41:36We're going to trade a McAvoy or a posture, not like, I don't see them doing that.
41:40And if they do, it's not going to be until the summer.
41:43But again, I don't see that kind of trade happening.
41:46I think Retool might be guys that are solid players for them, but they have term and their
41:53value may never be higher than it is right now in terms of trading them, because you're
41:57giving a win now team an extended rental, a year and a half long rental, you know, so
42:03to speak.
42:04And so that might be where that that leads.
42:06But I don't know, because again, they've never done this in our time covering the team.
42:11They've never done this in our time, even being a fan of the team.
42:15They've rarely done this predating our writing days.
42:17So it's a really weird spot for them.
42:21I think you're going to get something kind of like, I don't I have no idea.
42:25I think they have an appetite for hockey trade, but I just I think they're cognizant of trading
42:30picks because they realize they need picks not to jettison even more of them.
42:34Yeah.
42:35And I think even like, again, in terms of the appetite, and I'll just leave it at this,
42:38like in terms of the team being hesitant for an appetite, I think the appetite is there
42:43for the Bruins fan base that, again, if this is if you go in with a purpose and all of
42:47a sudden you're back next year with a new cast of players still, again, your floor is
42:51still like you should be in the mix.
42:54At your worst, you should be in the mix every year.
42:56You know, maybe that means you're still like a 93 point team a year if it goes haywire
42:59like this year.
43:00But if you're able to bring in new blood, bring in younger players that offer up hope
43:05of what they could be in another couple of years, and you can follow, you know, maybe
43:09not to the T of to what the Capitals have done, but be bold, bring in new faces and
43:13see what they can provide.
43:15Then again, the hardest part is out of the way in terms of your foundational talent.
43:19Not every team has a 60 goalscore.
43:20Not every team has a 26 year old goalie that when he's on can win you a round or two or
43:25three.
43:26Not every team has guys like McAvoy or Lindholm anchoring your decor.
43:32So I think the appetite is there.
43:33If this team is smart with what they do and they go in with a purpose and a unified front
43:37on this offseason.
43:38Because again, like you can, you know, even if you like sell a few pieces, you could still
43:44friggin make the playoffs as like a wildcard team and other teams fall off and swimming
43:48goes on a heater.
43:49And then you're playing with house money of like you're still in kind of can retooling
43:53on the fly going into next year while starting that kind of those growing pains now.
43:57And if you're growing pains is you still make the playoffs, make things exciting.
44:01You see what you do in the first round.
44:02If you're out, well, you at least have a jumping off point for the offseason.
44:06You do it.
44:06So I do think the fans would endorse that.
44:09It just comes down to whether the team wants to bite the bullet, except that, you know,
44:14the optics may be on that great for what they are for what they're doing.
44:18But I think a lot of Bruins fans who see the writing on the wall and see that as much as
44:23it sucks that you, you know, it might have to take the label of a seller or retool.
44:29The hard part is out of the way in terms of the franchise fixtures you have there.
44:33Like now it's all about getting creative and being bold to help what you already have.
44:36Because, again, Red Wings are a team, you know, Sabres, even like the Montreal Canadiens,
44:45where they've got a lot of talent.
44:46Lane Hudson's great.
44:47They don't have a 60 goal score.
44:49They don't have a number one goalie.
44:50Like there's a lot of teams that even if you look at them being like, damn, these teams
44:54are going to be on the up and up.
44:55They don't have the foundational franchise fixtures that you have.
45:00So it's all about the Bruins in the front office committing, I think, to those to that
45:05retool, if that's what ends up being.
45:07Yeah, I agree.
45:08And for me, it's just you got to have the stomach for it.
45:11And you got to have the blessing, I think, from above that.
45:14Hey, I know you're not going to like this, but this is what's best for the franchise.
45:18And until we see it, you know, given the green light, I have a hard time believing
45:23it's going to happen.
45:24I just it's just it's just how I feel like they Sweeney has never been a selling GM.
45:29I don't think he likes doing it.
45:30I don't think the front office likes doing it.
45:32And, you know, I think it goes back to the idea that, yeah, until proven otherwise, playoffs
45:38are how you keep your job in this town in that office.
45:42And so if they if they feel that way, you know, regardless of what the CEO of the team
45:48says, like they might act like, oh, I got to make playoffs or I'm going to get fired.
45:51So we'll see what happens there.
45:53And the other thing, too, is I'm not sure what his status is.
45:56But keep in mind that this is now, I believe, the third season of Don Sweeney's new contract,
46:02his latest contract with the team.
46:05I can't imagine he got more than a four year deal.
46:07So so I don't think he's a lame duck.
46:11But but I wonder for entering the final year of that contract and if that allows him to
46:16maybe have a bit more freedom because like, hey, like I'm not a lame duck guy.
46:20I'm not coaching.
46:20I'm not GMing for my job, but I have a year to do this and then to bring in high end
46:26talent before I'm up for a new deal.
46:27So I wonder what happens there and if that plays a potential factor for the Bruins and
46:32Sweeney specifically.
46:33Yeah, we will see what happens.
46:35We'll see what the moves the Bruins end up making.
46:37First up is that game on Saturday against the Senators, which if the Bruins lose, they
46:41will be out of the playoff picture, which maybe that accelerates what the Bruins end
46:45up deciding to do in the coming months.
46:47Ty, before we let you go, where can we read your stuff?
46:49Where can we hear you on the airwaves?
46:51All that good stuff.
46:52Yeah, you can find me on the Sports Hub, the Shawson Star Market Hockey Show every Saturday
46:56morning from 9 a.m. to 11 a.m.
47:00I'll be there tomorrow.
47:01I'll be riding solo, so please call in 617-779-0985.
47:06So I'll be on there from 9 to 11 tomorrow.
47:08You can also find me on 985thSportsHub.com and on social media at underscore Ty Anderson.
47:15So we'll have you covered every step of the way there as the Bruins try to continue their
47:21little mini streak here, make it three on Saturday.
47:24How about yourself?
47:25Yes, you can read my stuff over at Boston.com and the Boston Globe.
47:28We'll have you covered every step of the way this Bruins season with recaps, features,
47:32columns, breakdowns, all that good stuff, especially this team does decide to retool
47:37on the fly here a little bit this year.
47:39You can also find me on Twitter, whatever it's called, at Connor Ryan, underscore 93.
47:44Fans, this is Poke the Bear, episode 296.
47:48You have a great rest of your week.