The Boston Herald's Doug Kyed returns to the show to share some intel on how certain Patriots staffers view the team's quarterback battle, then run down the biggest surprises of cutdown day, why the front office kept seven receivers, players the Pats could claim off waivers and the positions Eliot Wolf should address next.
0:00 - Intro
2:12 - Roster cuts discussion
6:10 - Barmore's injury update
9:44 - Patriots' quarterback depth
12:18 - Sean Clifford evaluation
14:42 - KJ Osborn discussion
17:01 - Trade deadline strategy
19:39 - Tight end needs
22:02 - Caleb Jones discussion
24:01 - Michael Jordan's versatility
27:35 - Defensive line needs
29:23 - Player performance analysis
30:54 - Carolina cuts Marshall
32:48 - Potential receiver upgrades
35:59 - Comparing wide receivers
39:12 - Dell Pettus discussion
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6:10 - Barmore's injury update
9:44 - Patriots' quarterback depth
12:18 - Sean Clifford evaluation
14:42 - KJ Osborn discussion
17:01 - Trade deadline strategy
19:39 - Tight end needs
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00:00Okay, I'd like to think we'd have some memorable intros over the years, but the People's Favorite
00:17Guest Doug Kida is back, and he is back with some scoops.
00:20So I'll just shut up and let you take it from here, man, the first 15 seconds.
00:25Well, yeah, I was talking to one person within the organization.
00:29This is one person, I think, ultimately, the Patriots starting quarterback job will
00:33be determined by Drodd Mayo, Alex Van Pelt, Elliott Wolf will have to say offensive coaching,
00:38but there's talked to one person within the building who still thinks that Jacoby Brissett
00:42will be the week one starter for the Patriots.
00:45But based on Drake May's performance, it's a matter of when, not if he takes over.
00:50So I think that this is nothing groundbreaking.
00:54I think this is all kind of what we expect, and that's what people within the building
00:58expect as well.
00:59But until that announcement comes from Drodd Mayo, it's all just expectation.
01:04But yes, there's people within the building who are very impressed with how Drake May
01:07performed this summer.
01:09But we're still looking at a situation where Jacoby Brissett took every single first team
01:13rep in practice and the preseason and starting week one, probably you would be fast tracking
01:20things a little bit here at this point.
01:22Yes.
01:23Now, by the time people listen to this, it might be.
01:24We might know.
01:25They might know.
01:26It might be slow tracking, if that's such a thing, because as we record Tuesday, 530
01:31roster cuts are done.
01:32You go 50, 53 on your roster projection based on what the Patriots actually did today.
01:37I bet it's something like.
01:38Well, I think you want a 53.
01:39So what did I say?
01:41I think you said 50, but I just want to make it known 51 out of 53.
01:45I'm speaking a little fast.
01:46You will not be surprised to hear I'm on a multiple diet Mountain Dews today.
01:49I still have another column to write and do TV later.
01:52So we got to keep going.
01:53But the point is, you did very well with your roster projections.
01:56The Patriots have a 53 man roster, which we all know will be tweaked and changed and refined
02:02and twisted in this and that based on starting with the waiver claims, which, again, by the
02:06time people listen to this, you might already know.
02:09But what we wanted to do is dive into what will be the meat of the roster, because you'll
02:13probably pick up by Wednesday at noon the deadline for all players who were released.
02:18They're up for grabs and the Patriots pick third, and there were a couple of players
02:21even ahead of them, at least by Carolina and Washington.
02:24Maybe we talk about.
02:25That they might jump on at obvious places, right?
02:28Offensive tackle center, maybe receiver, even though they kept seven and a run stuffing
02:33defensive tackle.
02:34So there's a lot to come, but the rosters here, we're going to dive in and the players
02:39were off today.
02:40So there was no announcement, which Rod Mayo said there will be about the quarterback.
02:43They could announce that in a team meeting tomorrow morning when they've got practice
02:45Wednesday, Thursday, and we all take a Labor Day.
02:48Okay, moving up in the quarterbacks or we can stay here.
02:51Your instant snap reaction to the 53-man rosters.
02:55You assembled it and wrote about it today.
02:57Biggest surprises were not that huge of surprises.
03:00I did not expect running back Kevin Harris or cornerback Sean Wade to make the roster.
03:06And then in turn, the guys who did make it who I wasn't expecting to were Tristan Hill
03:11and Marcellus Dial.
03:13But these were all four players that I was kind of really trying to weigh back and forth
03:18whether they'd make the roster.
03:19So none of them are huge surprises with Wade.
03:22It's just a matter of Patriots traded for him back in 2021 with the Ravens, and he's
03:26been on the roster ever since that point.
03:28He's not a guy who's gone back up and down to the practice squad.
03:31So the Patriots finally saying, all right, we'll release or we'll wave Sean Wade to keep
03:37a guy like Marcellus Dial on the roster.
03:39Little bit of a surprise, Tristan, Tristan Hill, a defensive tackle.
03:44I think the Patriots just needed like at least four defensive tackles on that initial roster.
03:49Not taking anything away from Tristan Hill, but a player like Hill, a player like Michael
03:54Jordan might be some of those players who could potentially move if the Patriots do
03:59either claim a player off of waivers or sign a veteran that was released.
04:04Yes.
04:05Now, it is a good idea to have warm bodies in your defensive tackle room, and I think
04:10you're absolutely right in assessing the players here who were probably 50 to 53 because
04:15they did fill out the 53 as opposed to having a 52 man roster, as I projected last episode
04:20and also called Sean Wade the cockroach of cut down day because we will have a nuclear
04:24Holocaust and he'll still be a healthy scratch the following Sunday.
04:27He's gone.
04:28I still think somehow he's going to come back up down to the practice squad just to be that
04:31healthy scratch because I don't know what I would do with my life since 2021.
04:35But to that point, if it's not Hill or dial, is there anyone else that stands out to you
04:41when you look at this roster?
04:42Michael Jordan's in their cash on booty.
04:43I would include because if they do add a player into Rob Mayo said as recently as yesterday,
04:49one of their starting guards or tackles as sad as this is might be might have been waived
04:54today.
04:55Who would you be looking at to get cut?
04:57Those would be the big ones.
04:58I think Hill and Michael Jordan would be the top two.
05:01I can't imagine.
05:02I think they would have just cut Marcel's dial if they were going to do it eventually.
05:06I think that he's a guy that you'd be like, we're afraid that he's going to get claimed
05:09cash on booty.
05:10Probably a guy that they were afraid was going to get claimed.
05:13One other one to just look at.
05:15I don't know what the status of Christian Ellis is at this point.
05:17He got injured in that preseason finale, left with a head injury, didn't return.
05:22So if the Patriots think that that could be a multi-week injury or something like that,
05:27now with the new injured reserve rules, he would only have to miss four weeks if they
05:31place him on injured reserve and designate him to return.
05:33So he would be another one.
05:36But overall, and I'm not just saying this because I came close to predicting the 53-man
05:40roster pretty accurately.
05:42I think the Patriots did a very good job of constructing this roster and keeping players
05:47who they were afraid would get claimed and cutting the guys that they're probably pretty
05:52confident will not wind up on other rosters.
05:55And ultimately, if they do, they can't care that much since they cut him anyway.
05:59A couple other notes that I think we should get out early before, again, we go position
06:03by position here.
06:04Christian Barmore designated to return from the non-football injury list.
06:08So that says they are at least open to the possibility that he comes back at some point
06:11this season.
06:12There's still no definitive timeline update.
06:14You and I have poked around.
06:15Nothing yet.
06:16I'm sure Gerard May will get a question tomorrow, meaning Wednesday, about him.
06:20Marte Mapu, same thing, except for on injured reserve.
06:22So Mapu could come back as soon as week five.
06:25To me, unless he's practicing next week as they get ready for the bangle, which would
06:29be too soon.
06:30So if he's practicing in two weeks, because that triggers a 21 day window, he couldn't
06:34come back until week five.
06:35He's just missed so much time.
06:36He did not practice in pads this summer.
06:38And then all the three physically unable to form list of UP guys, Kendrick Bourne, Cole
06:42Strange, Tony Taki Taki.
06:44They're definitely out until week five.
06:47Barmore, I'm glad to see that seems to indicate that he again, it might be healthier than
06:52some expected when you get blood clots and David Andrews is out for the year.
06:55So maybe not Christian Barmore.
06:57Anything else there?
06:58Bill?
07:00But I mean, they picked they picked placing Christian Barmore on that NFI list over, let's
07:04say, a guy like Calvin Anderson or Armand Watts.
07:07So but once again, I think this was the smart move here where they say even the possibility
07:12that Christian Barmore could come back at any point this season is more valuable than
07:17ensuring that you have Calvin Anderson or Armand Watts on your roster.
07:21Calvin Anderson just never competed for a starting job.
07:24Really, this summer, Armand Watts fell down the depth chart.
07:27And I we should mention this earlier.
07:29Big change from last year's cut down.
07:31Patriots have more than one quarterback on the roster.
07:33So that's huge.
07:34OK, that's big.
07:35I thought I think we expected that, though, Jacobian Drake made the very least Joe Mills.
07:39I just kind of forgot.
07:40They only kept one quarterback until I was looking at last year's 53 man roster depth
07:43chart thing.
07:44I was like, wow, they kept one quarterback last year.
07:47One quarterback.
07:48That was wild.
07:49The end is happy hour, though.
07:50Yeah, I think this is it.
07:51Right.
07:52I mean, boring a practice squad return, which obviously happened last year.
07:54And then he comes and plays.
07:55Even if he's signed to the practice squad, though, there's no way he shoots to the top
07:59of the depth chart again this year.
08:01No, no.
08:02And yeah, I like I, I would say that out of any player that I've ever covered, the words
08:09unfairly maligned would probably apply to Bailey Zappi.
08:13There's a guy I follow on Twitter is like a Patriots fan.
08:16I think it's like TCL or something like that is his name.
08:19He was like the only thing that Bailey Zappi ever did wrong was start games under the most
08:24like the worst possible circumstances.
08:26And now like every Patriots fan hates him for some reason.
08:29So hopefully Bailey Zappi land somewhere where he can be a backup, where he won't get booed
08:35for simply entering games.
08:37And yeah, I think it makes sense for all parties to move on.
08:39Who knows?
08:40Maybe they bring him back.
08:41I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility, but I just think it's best for all parties
08:45to move on from Bailey Zappi.
08:47Yeah, it's really quite a time for guys like him who come in in 2022.
08:52Not only is Matt Patricia, your offensive coordinator, there's a new offensive line
08:55coach.
08:56It's Patricia.
08:57He's going to be gone in a year.
08:58And then you come in in 2023 and you get to say for the rest of your life, I played for
09:03the Patriots.
09:04I played under Bill Belichick, but it was only in the last two years, not representative
09:08of what anyone else is going to think when you bring that up at a party 40, 50 years
09:12from now, 30 years from now, whatever.
09:14But that was the Bailey Zappi experience.
09:15It wasn't fair.
09:16I still, I still think he's not a quarterback worthy of being in this roster.
09:19The Patriots agreed last year.
09:21They agreed this year, but circumstances certainly did him no favors aside from maybe being drafted
09:25higher than we expected in the fourth round.
09:28But since then, no stability, no protection with the offensive line, bad weapons, inconsistent,
09:33just downright dysfunctional coaching.
09:34By the time you get a regular staff in here, they're ready with a bridge starter in Jacoby
09:39Percet and a guy they drafted third overall.
09:41So of course he's going to be on the outside.
09:42Yes.
09:43Yeah.
09:44And then, yeah, no big surprise that Zappi's gone and that Joe Milton is going to be that
09:47developmental third quarterback.
09:49And I would not be shocked if the Patriots still sign some sort of quarterback, the Will
09:53Greer type, not Will Greer, but a Will Greer type to their practice squad, just to be more
09:59depth behind Drake May, uh, just in case another injury like Jacoby Percet's happened.
10:05You just, you don't want to put Joe Milton into a game this year.
10:07So I think that it's worth that practice squad spot to keep a fourth quarterback around.
10:11Well, let's bat around a couple of names because I think people are going to want to know,
10:15especially since Gerard, last time we talked to him, this could be new when we finally
10:19get this episode out and he speaks to everyone.
10:21I think it's Wednesday, maybe at one o'clock when he's speaking, but sometime around there.
10:26Yeah.
10:27CJ Beathard gets cut in Jacksonville, Nate Sudfeld's gone in Detroit, your boy who you're
10:31not counting on, Will Greer, uh, not got caught in Philadelphia, any of any of those names,
10:37any other names I didn't mention kind of say to you, Hey, this makes sense based on either
10:41some system experience or just what you've seen from him playing football as a backup
10:45in the NFL.
10:46I mean, Beth third would be, I think would be a great pickup, but I just think it probably
10:50makes more sense for him to wind up back in Jacksonville.
10:52I'm like, honestly, who knows?
10:53Maybe we'll agree.
10:54Or is the guy who comes back?
10:55Like, I know that people within the organization have ties to will agree or like will agree
10:59or, um, and maybe they can convince people on staff that things will go better this time.
11:03Maybe they can convince will agree or that things will go better.
11:06But like, I think that he was kind of that adult in the room last year.
11:09You don't want the awkwardness that you had last year with Mac Jones and Bailey's happy.
11:13So just get some sort of journeyman veteran quarterback, preferably one with some experience,
11:19um, in Alex van Pelt system.
11:21But the, the Browns kept all four quarterbacks and it's five 48 right now in the NFL hasn't
11:27actually released all of the cuts yet.
11:28So I can't tell you like every single quarterback that's out there, but yeah, there are some
11:32names that those three, I think are a good starting point, um, for who the Patriots could
11:38potentially pick up.
11:39And maybe there's someone that Elliot Wolf or Alex van Pelt or someone else is just really
11:43like throughout the years.
11:44And, and that's who they pick up.
11:46And there were players last year, I know of, uh, whom they worked out and then offered
11:51a practice squad spot too, and just said, no, thanks.
11:54I should be on the roster.
11:55Your team stinks.
11:56Give me a 53 man roster pay.
11:59And so they didn't sign.
12:00So it's very possible that because the Patriots obviously are going to keep her set and may
12:04and Joe Milton, you know, they're going to say, Hey, we'd love to have you.
12:07You'll have a real shot to play here.
12:09And we mean that.
12:10But in the meantime, you're going to be a practice squad and they just go kick rocks
12:14and they leave because what kind of offer is that if you think you could be signed to
12:17a 53 minute roster, even if you might've been cut in Jacksonville, obviously CJ Beathard
12:21was going to lose that job to Mac Jones.
12:23If he found some semblance of his old form, which it seems like he has, uh, Sean Clifford,
12:28Michael Pratt, two Packers quarterbacks released a Desmond, Desmond Ritter release.
12:32I don't think Ritter would be the best option, but like, yeah, maybe someone like a Sean
12:37Clifford would be another name to throw out there at quarterback.
12:40Yeah.
12:41Young guy.
12:42We actually saw him last summer.
12:43What did you think of him last summer?
12:44He had a, he had a big drive at the end of that one joint practice, which is everyone
12:46knows is enough sample to completely judge a player on.
12:49He had a big drive.
12:51Uh, my big takeaway from the Packers quarterback situation last year was, I can't believe that
12:56this is all they have around Jordan love.
12:58And it worked out because Jordan love stayed healthy, but I was like, what if Jordan love
13:01doesn't work out and you've got like Sean Clifford and I forgot who some of the other
13:06guys were.
13:07I was just like, this is a rough backup quarterback situation.
13:10So perfectly fine for a fourth quarterback on your practice squad.
13:14Not ideal for a backup would be my, uh, my takeaway on Sean Clifford at this point.
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14:35Okay.
14:36Let's go to the receivers.
14:38You nailed this.
14:39I did not.
14:40Uh, the Patriots kept seven, not just six.
14:42The six to me were obvious.
14:43KJ Osborne, Tyquan Thornton, pop Douglas.
14:45Those are your starters behind them.
14:46The two draft picks Jalen Polk, Javon Baker, and the Jalen Raker sticks to me, special
14:50team's value.
14:51Gachon booty.
14:52I just said, I don't know how he wins.
14:53He's got exceptionally strong hands sometimes, and then he's dropping passes in the preseason
14:59and I'm certainly not upset that he's on the team, but he opened the best for everyone
15:01that we cover and interact with.
15:03But he, to me is included in that group.
15:05We talked about at the start, you know, 50 to 53, who could be on the chopping block
15:09of the Patriots?
15:10Like one of these offensive tackles.
15:12Why did you keep them on the roster?
15:14Which is also asking, why were you right?
15:15And why was I wrong?
15:16Uh, I'd simply because I had spoken to two people within the organization who had highlighted
15:22him as a standout over the last, let's say like two to three weeks of training camp.
15:27And then in following up with that, I was saying like, is seven wide receivers really
15:31in play here?
15:32Like, is that a possibility?
15:33One of the people that I talked to was like, not only that, but like, that's what I'm rooting
15:36for us to do.
15:37So I think that this just, they wanted to keep the talent that they had at wide receiver.
15:42And this isn't from anyone that I've talked to, but just, this is just my theory is, you
15:46know, the Kendrick Bourne is going to be coming back in four weeks or, you know, maybe a little
15:50bit longer than that.
15:51This is just another four week tryout for Kishon booty to prove that he belongs, that
15:55he deserves a spot on the Patriots because they're not going to keep eight wide receivers
15:58when Kendrick Bourne comes back.
15:59So someone's going to have to get that chopping block.
16:02So this is just a little bit more competition.
16:04And the big thing for me, um, once again, not anything sourced, but just my opinion,
16:09if Taekwon Thornton's you're starting X wide receiver, I don't mind having two backups
16:15in Kishon booty and Jalen Rager, just in case that doesn't work out, doesn't work for work
16:20out for injury.
16:21It doesn't work out for talent.
16:22It doesn't work out for whatever reason.
16:24I think you need other options in case you put Taekwon Thornton out there and week one
16:29and you're like, okay, this is, this was a disaster, nevermind, sorry.
16:32And then you've got some other guys to put out there.
16:34So I do think it's a position where it makes sense to have a lot of depth that I agree
16:38for injury sake.
16:39I also wonder if a trades in play, because we know Kendrick Bourne was involved in the
16:43trade talks with San Francisco for Brandon.
16:45I, you can born as experienced there.
16:47So it's not to say that the 49ers value him the same way that other teams would, because
16:51you know, let's say he comes back week five, right?
16:54You add him to the roster.
16:55Someone else has to get moved.
16:56Let's say it is Taekwon Thornton who just gets banged up again.
16:59That could be trade bait at the trade deadline, right?
17:01I think unlike last year when they were still striving to win, even though I had declared
17:05the season over dead time of death in Vegas, six 42 or whatever it was, and Mack Jones
17:10basically took that safety or did they're going to sell, I believe in the trade deadline
17:15this year.
17:16Do you buy any of that with booty or maybe another receiver who might, I mean, it wouldn't
17:19be the draft picks, right?
17:20Or any of the guys?
17:22Yeah, I could certainly see them having like some, some trade value either at the trade
17:26deadline or even like, let's say the next week, I mean, the Patriots trade for what
17:30veteran low and Tyron Wheatley right around this time last year, I think it was before
17:34cuts, but still there can be some movement at this point.
17:36So certainly wouldn't be shocked.
17:38I don't know who would have the most trade value outside of born in the rookies.
17:42Like you said, the rookies aren't going anywhere, but like neither is pop Douglas, right?
17:46And pop Douglas is neither.
17:48I just, I don't know what they would be able to get for like an Osborne or a booty or a
17:53or Taekwondo.
17:54And so I don't know, I think eventually they could, I'm not expecting anything imminently
17:59though.
18:00Probably.
18:01Okay.
18:02One position.
18:03I'm going to have you guess where I would believe something is imminent.
18:05If not, again, by the time people listen to this, it's already happened that they are
18:07going to add to, they have to add to is what, what position am I pointing to right now?
18:12Offensive line.
18:13Yes.
18:15Yes.
18:16Except I'm going with the tight ends.
18:18Okay.
18:19Sure.
18:20Hunter Henry.
18:21We have not seen it two weeks.
18:22Austin Hooper just came back from injury.
18:24Jaheim Bell is not going to be in line blocking.
18:26I don't think for maybe another two years, if ever in the NFL, this is an offense you
18:31and I've seen play with two tight ends in a lot of 11 on 11 periods in training game.
18:37That's the way they want to play.
18:38That's the way they did play with the Browns.
18:39And I'm not talking about over 50% of the staffs would necessitate definitely for tight
18:44ends.
18:45But I would say they need to add here, not just because of the temporary injury situation,
18:50but because if you're going to play 30, maybe upwards of 40% of your snaps like that, you
18:54need another guy who can play in line and like Cooper and of course Hunter Henry and
18:59Donald Parham got released.
19:01It's a name to at least throw out there, but I think this is a group because Jaheim Bell
19:05is just not ready to be an inline blocker again, if ever that they just, they just need
19:09another body in there.
19:10Yeah.
19:11I mean, I wouldn't be shocked if it wound up being Mitchell Wilcox coming back as well.
19:14I think the Mitchell Wilcox was certainly good enough in training camp that he could
19:20be the guy who comes back and I don't expect him to be someone who's signed right away.
19:23I believe he has four accrued season.
19:25So I believe that was a release, not a waiver situation for him.
19:30So I mean, that could be like, they could essentially sound to the practice squad right
19:34now if he's not getting interest around the league.
19:37So yeah, absolutely.
19:38Someone at tight ends could be coming to the practice squad, possibly even the 53 man roster.
19:43But certainly a good one to punch there and Hunter Henry and Austin Hooper, you just have
19:46to make sure those guys stay healthy.
19:49Mitchell Wilcox does not have four years, just shy.
19:51He's got three.
19:52So he, he, he was waived.
19:54Yeah.
19:55Interesting.
19:56Unless he, because he was drafted in 2020 over the cap says he's got four accrued seasons.
20:04Okay.
20:05So he didn't play then or accrue any statistics there.
20:08Okay.
20:09One of us is right.
20:13You mentioned the offensive line.
20:14The reason I skipped them is because I just think at some point, and maybe I'm wrong.
20:19Folks are at home are sick of an offensive line conversation.
20:22They stink.
20:23They don't have enough tackles.
20:24We talked about this in the spring.
20:26Hey, you should probably add a left tackle.
20:27Hey, they should buy a left tackle.
20:29Lo and behold, the Darien low, the, the one liner to express that, you know how bad it
20:34is in new England right now is to save an area and low starting at left tackle.
20:38They missed him in Washington in that season finale, but they still have nine bodies to
20:42the Tristan Hill, warm body in the room argument.
20:45So I look at this and go, there's going to be movement.
20:49They're probably going to add a tackle, Bob.
20:50So see great shout out.
20:51You and I both retweeted today, guy got released from the Titans.
20:54If you want to bring him up, am I crazy for thinking though, that because you keep nine
20:59and among them, I can see three, well, four tackles.
21:04If you include Mike on when it was that to me, that says they might be a little bit more
21:07willing to play them at right tackle than we've seen most of the summer.
21:11Oh, potentially.
21:12I, I, I think so, but I also, if like, if you had like gun to my head, offensive line
21:18week one, I'd probably have vicarian low and a core for the tackle positions if they're
21:23healthy, but that's such a big, if we don't know at this point of video and low is going
21:27to be healthy.
21:28We don't know if city South is going to be healthy.
21:30So we just like, if, if the Darien low can't play, then you almost have to start Michael
21:36when you tackle, unless they do sign a guy like drawn Christian and feel like they can
21:40plug him in right away on a week and a half for the practices.
21:44One thing on Christian, once again, it's 5 57 PM on Tuesday.
21:48I don't know when this, when this podcast is going to be dropping, but I did reach out
21:52about drawing Christian potentially given the Patriots there.
21:56There's been no contact up to this point, but once again, it's been two hours, less
22:00than two hours since cut down.
22:02So that could certainly change, but it's not as if they saw his name come across the wire
22:06and immediately picked up the phone.
22:08So I don't know.
22:09I, I do think that based on what draw Mayo's saying on Monday, that who knows, we could
22:17have the starting tackle and guard might not even be on the roster yet.
22:20At this point, we might use our waiver wire pickup.
22:22Like obviously that's a position that they're looking at.
22:26And then one other name to just throw out would be Caleb Jones.
22:28He's a guy who was waived by the Packers and I follow a decent amount of Packers reporters
22:33on Twitter.
22:34There did seem to be some surprise that Caleb Jones had been waived.
22:38He's a young player.
22:39I think he's like six, seven, 350 pounds, something crazy like that has some experience
22:44at left tackle.
22:45Once again, not sure if that's a guy that you plug in right away, but once again, no
22:49offense to Vidarian low, but when you're starting left tackle, it could be Vidarian low.
22:54Anyone could potentially be plugged in and play left tackle off of waivers or a signing.
22:58Well, you pointed this out to me the last time we heard from Vidarian loan, a press
23:02conference setting when asked about his standing within the team, he was like, I am intent
23:07on proving myself as a swing tackle in the NFL and then followed up and said, yo, yeah,
23:13I think I could start at left tackle, but he's self-aware.
23:15Okay.
23:16Not all of us are wrong or sandbagging on Vidarian low in his future and his potential
23:21in the NFL.
23:22I think against consensus, I might be a little higher having reviewed some of that film specifically
23:26against the Eagles where, you know, he really got screwed on that sack of Kevin Harris,
23:30chipping in a way that running backs typically don't chip, but overall still, you don't
23:33want him starting.
23:34And he is aware that over time, that's probably not a good idea.
23:38Anything else missing from the offensive line?
23:40Like Michael Jordan's a backup guard.
23:42He made it.
23:43I kept him off of my projection because again, first, first play that he comes on the field
23:47for city.
23:48So he gets called for holding.
23:49I think he's been okay.
23:50It looks like a backup guy who don't like get cut.
23:52Kaden Walsh in there, Nick Leverett stuck, and they still don't have a guy who can reliably
23:57snap the ball behind David Hendricks.
24:00I'll go five seconds on this, but Michael Jordan played center at Ohio state.
24:06He was a center on the practice squad, whatever team was on last year.
24:10So I'm frankly shocked that they never gave him a shot out there, that they decided to
24:13move Antonio Moffitt to center before they gave Michael Jordan snaps there.
24:17But maybe they just like Michael Jordan being depth at guard more than they wanted to move
24:23him to center.
24:24But I don't know what that was.
24:25He's also got experience at tackle.
24:27So he is a versatile guy that one way or the other, whether it's on the practice squad,
24:30the roster probably gonna stick around.
24:32Yeah.
24:33I didn't see him set the ball once and maybe I missed it at the start of practice when
24:37you know, like the quarterbacks get together one end of the field with the centers and
24:40take, you know, these snaps and they do little slow-mo kind of bootleg or just kind of fake
24:45the handoff.
24:46Just get loose for practice.
24:47Right.
24:48Didn't see that once.
24:49So I'm not even saying that's a good idea.
24:50They might've just deemed like there's no way he can handle this at the end of the level
24:55in a game setting.
24:56But it's it's still David Andrews who might be the most irreplaceable player in this roster.
25:01When you look across across the offensive defense, it might also just be a body type
25:05thing.
25:06I mean, I think that that's one thing is that most of those centers that they were using
25:09this year are kind of the the shorter squatter types other than Liam Fornadel, I guess.
25:13But like Michael Jordan's a legit legitimate 6-6.
25:16So maybe, you know, Scott Peters just didn't like that.
25:19Didn't like having that tall of a center.
25:20Who knows?
25:21But yeah, it was kind of odd.
25:23All right, let's wrap on the offense.
25:26The coming back had, as you said, the biggest surprise so far, one of the biggest surprises,
25:29period.
25:30But it says something when a 2022 six round pick counts is a big surprise because it's
25:35really just a numbers game.
25:37Kevin Harris gone, I would say likely to come back to the practice squad, but that just
25:40left them with a reminder of Stevenson, Antonio Gibson and Michael Hastie, who I noted last
25:45week, earlier this week, really started to come on as RB three in the last one to two
25:49weeks of training.
25:50Yeah.
25:51Not to mention is, of course, special team.
25:53roster.
25:54But I missed that.
25:55Kevin Harris would just not make the team outright.
25:58I don't hate it just because I do think he's a player.
26:00You can pretty confidently get through to the practice squad through waivers.
26:05And the one thing I was considering when I was doing my 53 man roster projection on Sunday
26:09night because I was like, you know what?
26:12Yeah.
26:13In theory, you want that backup running back behind Romandre Stevenson is like a big body
26:16that can carry the load on early downs.
26:18But I was like, that could just be Antonio Gibson.
26:21Antonio Gibson is six foot two, 230 pounds.
26:25He's done that before in Washington.
26:27So if Stevenson for some reason got hurt or isn't playing for any reason, you would just
26:32move Gibson into that early down role.
26:35And then Michael Hastie would be your third down back.
26:37And Hastie is much more useful on special teams than Kevin Harris is.
26:41So if you only want to keep three running backs for special teams ability and for just
26:46his ability in his defined role, I think Hastie is the more valuable player than Harris.
26:51Yeah, I don't have much more here.
26:53I know people are going to like Michael Hastie a little bit more than they might have expected,
26:58especially if you've never really watched him or just didn't stick around for the preseason.
27:02It's not because he's going to wow you, but you'll just look at him and go, oh, that's
27:05a functional part time third down back.
27:08We have to give him a couple of carries.
27:09You know, he'll know where to be and what to do.
27:12And that counts for a guy who's going to be counted on to play in an ideal world.
27:1710% of snaps, maybe if that and a lot more on special teams, which say we will about
27:21Bill's old philosophy.
27:22They only have one real special teams only player this year, non-kicker, non-punter,
27:26non-longstamper.
27:27It's Brendan Spooler.
27:28Michael Hastie also might unofficially be the second, if not Christian Ellis and some
27:32other guys on defense.
27:34You touch the defensive line.
27:35So here's the here's the two deep.
27:38Let's pretend that they go, you know, three across, right?
27:42Because it's usually been a defensive tackle, defensive tackle and some hybrid defensive
27:46and outside linebacker, Steven Gottschall and Daniel Kowali in the middle.
27:50Then you've got Keon White is this hybrid guy on one end behind them.
27:54You have Tristan Hill, Jeremiah Farms Jr. and Dietrich Weiss.
27:59And that's it.
28:00And we saw them go three defensive tackles and certain looks and 11 on 11 periods.
28:04And you can take your own experiment.
28:06That's what for training camp is for.
28:07They need another giant human being in this room to add to that because you lose to Von
28:14Gottschall and you were looking at a giant little giant hole in the middle of your run
28:18defense that you cannot afford, especially when we expect a lot of teams to try to run
28:22on the Patriots and run up the clock this season.
28:24Yeah, I just I don't know who that guy is going to be because there was some players.
28:30I forgot who it was.
28:31I think it was a I think it was like a Panthers third round pick, something like that, who
28:35got released.
28:36And I was immediately like, oh, that could be an interesting pick up for them.
28:40Yes.
28:41Browns.
28:42Browns.
28:43Yes.
28:44But then I immediately like search them on Twitter and everyone was like, this is not
28:47an NFL player.
28:48And the first clip that I saw of him was him falling down.
28:51So I was like, you know what?
28:52Maybe not.
28:53Like, you know, you know, Twitter scouting is is never going to be anyone's kind of highlights
28:59like unless you're in high school and you're pimping yourself out to recruiters.
29:03Twitter is not for self-esteem like this is.
29:06But I look.
29:07He got what's what's that?
29:08What's that gentleman's name again?
29:09What's his last name?
29:10Gentlemen.
29:11Wow.
29:12I feel like you've just aged five years with that one question.
29:13His name is Siaki Ika and he's 335 pounds and he played football at LSU and this is yes.
29:19All new information I'm acquiring from Google.
29:22Not a big step up from Twitter, but I would say a little bit more if we're so he played
29:26he played 59 snaps in the preseason this season this year and his PFF grade was 29.4.
29:35So, you know, it's what is also played a Baylor played a hundred and three snaps last
29:42season.
29:43The regular season PFF grade of 29.0.
29:46He's consistent.
29:47Consistent.
29:48Yes.
29:49We'll see.
29:50We'll see if he winds up being the guy.
29:51He's certainly fits the bill as being a big body 63, 358 pounds played at LSU as you mentioned.
29:57Also Baylor, but has not put a lot of good football on tape so far in his young NFL career.
30:03Jacqueline Roy, another guy who who knows could be a guy.
30:07Yes.
30:08Is he another LSU product?
30:11I don't think so.
30:12I think you went to a I think you went to like a smaller school of some he was and I
30:17we talked about this, but I think you do this too.
30:19And this is so in the weed.
30:20So if anyone wants to hit skip for the next 30 seconds, I completely understand Roy was
30:25one of these six seventh round.
30:27I'm just going to take a fat defensive tackle and one of the easier to get it right.
30:31Yeah, it was LSU.
30:32Yeah.
30:34So anyway, he made a mock draft at some point and I see these guys cut all the time guys
30:37from BYU, Utah.
30:38I'm like, it just the Patriots play those guys.
30:40They need them in early down to death.
30:42So come on home, Mr. Roy.
30:45He's been better than than the other guy whose name I are.
30:49Oh, come on.
30:50You got Ika.
30:51Ika.
30:52Yeah.
30:53I'm my brain is shot right now.
30:54And then this isn't a interior defensive lineman, but KJ Henry was cut by the commanders and
31:02he's the guy who sacked Jacoby percent in the third and final preseason game wasn't
31:07exactly the best play by him.
31:08He kind of had a wide open lane, but he's a guy who looks like he can play some football
31:13as a potential like outside linebacker defensive end.
31:16So I tease this at the top and we're going to hit pause in the defense for a second.
31:20And this is this is no reporting.
31:22It's nothing source.
31:23But Carolina Wave, Terrace Marshall, who is second round pick of theirs in 2021.
31:28He only has 767 career receiving yards, one touchdown.
31:32He did have almost 500 of those two years ago.
31:34And we all know Carolina has not been this, you know, dictionary definition example of
31:39functioning franchise, let alone offense.
31:41When you look at their talent, their protection, obviously quarterback play.
31:44So there's talent there.
31:46And in that year, 2021, when the Panthers drafted him, Pat Stewart, director of pro
31:50personnel now for the Patriots, was in that front office.
31:54So to me, look, they have seven receivers.
31:56They've got to do buried in the depth chart.
31:58Who also went to LSU and he's a little bit more recent in case on booty was kind of a
32:02flyer in there.
32:03Are you in there with me or out on Marshall?
32:06Ah, possibly like I think that Terrace Marshall, just because of the ties with the Panthers
32:11and and Pat Stewart potential.
32:14Other one that I've seen thrown around is Donovan Peoples Jones.
32:18He had 839 receiving yards with the Browns back in 2022.
32:22Lots of ties there with Alex Van Pelt, Scott Peters, all those guys.
32:26So he would be another one.
32:27But I'm just not fully convinced.
32:29I got I got like a weird lighting situation here that I'm trying to to like a boy shirt
32:33with like an angel popping.
32:35I know you're sitting in your lap earlier, like so at least we know that's what you need.
32:40I'm not convinced that Marshall or Peoples Jones are better than what they have.
32:46If I was looking for a wide receiver, I would be looking for someone who is a 100% upgrade
32:52over Taekwon Thornton in that X wide receiver role.
32:55And I'm just simply not convinced that either one of those guys would be that.
32:58So like another guy buried on the depth chart, I just maybe, but I'm not convinced of it.
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34:32So Peoples Jones, for folks who don't know, is also a Vesta veteran.
34:37He would be able to sign as soon as possible, got traded from the Browns to the Lions last
34:41year following that breakout 2022 season, when Jacoby Brissett was the starting quarterback
34:45for most of that year.
34:47And now the Lions have said, see ya, we don't need you.
34:50Right.
34:51And the Browns said see ya.
34:52Right.
34:53Right.
34:54Right.
34:55Right.
34:56Right.
34:57After that season, mid season, just said, just said goodbye.
34:58So to me, they're not eager, obviously, to keep them around.
34:59Their receiver situations are much better than the Patriots, by definition of just being
35:03another NFL team.
35:05But as we know, the tie is going to go when playing time decisions are made to the kids,
35:10to the rookies.
35:11That'll be Jalen Polk, Javon Baker, Bob Douglas even.
35:14And Taequann Thornton is a third-year player, so I guess we could include him.
35:17Honestly, though, I'm kind of backtracking a little bit.
35:21Ultimately, I think Taequann Thornton will be the X-wide receiver, and that they probably
35:27won't add one of these guys.
35:29But in a vacuum, you're starting X-wide receiver of Taequann Thornton versus Donovan Peebles-Jones.
35:36Peebles-Jones has just done so much more in the NFL.
35:38You might feel more confident if he's your starting X-wide receiver than Taequann Thornton.
35:42We'll see what Thornton can do.
35:43They've worked with him all camp.
35:44But yeah, I don't know.
35:46Who knows?
35:47Maybe they do wind up grabbing one of those guys.
35:48I think there's some other wide receivers who could get cut that we just haven't seen
35:52yet or I haven't seen the full list yet.
35:53But I don't know.
35:55There could be a way to upgrade, but it would be a moderate upgrade, I think.
35:59So I'm with you in a vacuum.
36:01Donovan Peebles-Jones is a better football player than Taequann Thornton, as far as they've
36:04shown so far.
36:05But we know this is not a one-for-one conversation, not even because of Polk or Baker, because
36:09you're going, OK, he starts at the X. K.J. Osborne is at the Z. OK, where's Jalen Polk
36:14going to play?
36:15Because ideally, he starts, right?
36:16Like, something will have been wrong if Polk is not starting week four or five at one of
36:21those outside spots.
36:22Because Pop Douglas is camping out.
36:25He doesn't even need to mark his territory.
36:27The slot is his and will be for as long as he wants.
36:30So if you add another player like that, and I know fans are going to clamor for it, and
36:34I get it, even Donovan Peebles-Jones or other players, well, it's going to be at the expense
36:39of Jalen Polk or K.J. Osborne, which I know people don't care about.
36:44But if you're getting another veteran of his level, why not just roll with Osborne, who's
36:48been here, knows the system, has been working with the quarterbacks?
36:51And if you want to go Osborne versus Peebles-Jones, to me, that's a wash.
36:55Yeah, I think that's fair.
36:57And yeah, I mean, it looks like Peebles-Jones kind of split his snaps between the slot and
37:00out wide back in 2023 and 2022.
37:04So yeah, probably more of a Z anyway than an X, but I don't know.
37:08We'll see.
37:09I'm just not overly excited about any of the wide receivers I've seen out there so far.
37:12Okay, so they're going to add to the defensive line to go back to 10 minutes ago.
37:16We don't know what the names are yet, but let's just jump into the secondary.
37:20We had seven cornerbacks kept so far.
37:23Marcellus Dial, I think, could still be, as an older prospect, six-round pick, a casualty
37:28of cut-down day just in the sequel.
37:32Then it's safety.
37:33Del Pettis, undrafted rookie, got in.
37:36He's there.
37:37It's him.
37:38Kyle Duggar, Jabril Peppers, Jalen Hawkins.
37:40I was first on Del Pettis.
37:42I swear I was first.
37:44I have to have been first.
37:46There's someone in my CLNS crew here who I think is probably going to argue with you.
37:52Wow.
37:53Okay, maybe.
37:54I do feel like our guys, our guys, fellow friends, Taylor Kiles, Mike Kadlik, Alex Barth
38:00is in there, and Brian Hines cast a lot of nets.
38:05There was some Deshaun Fenwick stock that was bought up, and I said, that's a bad buy
38:10because this guy is not sticking around, got cut, and then came back and got cut again.
38:14I'm just going to say, if you want to claim you were first, talk to them.
38:17That is the extent of this part, aside from shouting out our guys who do very good work
38:21and are on top of it always at CLNS and Patriots Press Pass YouTube channel that I just don't
38:27know.
38:28Anyway, I was late to the Del Pettis party.
38:30I'm looking around.
38:31You're all having a great time, and you're celebrating today.
38:33How did he make this roster?
38:35I've made a lot of plays in training camp.
38:36Looked pretty good in the preseason.
38:38He was another one who was highlighted as a late camp standout, and if you're going
38:43to keep a guy on the roster, like what I was mentioning earlier, maybe some other team
38:49saw tape on Del Pettis during the preseason and heard people talking about him in training
38:53camp and say, let's take a risk on a young safety like Del Pettis that you're not as
38:58afraid of losing a guy like Mitchell Wilcox or a guy like Kevin Harris.
39:02I think that these are the roster conversations that you have to have.
39:06I think it's also valuable for the Patriots to prove to players in the future, look, this
39:11is an undrafted free agent, and he made the roster.
39:14So if you sign here, there's a possibility that you could be the next Del Pettis or in
39:18the past a guy like Jonathan Jones, or you can list them all, the undrafted free agents
39:24who have made the Patriots roster, but I also think that's just valuable from that standpoint
39:27as well.
39:28Yeah.
39:29Yeah.
39:30Yeah.
39:31Yeah.
39:32Yeah.
39:33Yeah.
39:34Yeah.
39:35Yeah.
39:36Yeah.
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39:38Yeah.
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39:41Yeah.
39:42Yeah.
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40:00Yeah.
40:01Yeah.
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44:19week and then roll into Cincinnati. Uh last position
44:22here or special teams. Do you have anything besides? Yeah,
44:25Joey Sly won. We all saw it and Chad Ryland's bad days were
44:28worse than his. Yeah, I I also just sort of think it was
44:32honestly pretty even like I'm kinda surprised the Patriots
44:35couldn't get a trade done for Chad Ryland. I think they tried
44:37to um but I don't think Chad Ryland was like horrible this
44:41summer or anything like that. Joey Sly was just slightly
44:44better and that's why he won like the slightly better guy
44:46won. I think um no pun intended Sly Sly to feel
44:50better. Um. Oh god. But uh I it came to my mind. I you started
44:56smiling. So, I was like, did did Andrew pick on something
44:59that I didn't? Um I don't know. I don't have a lot of
45:02thoughts on this. I think that the right guy won and I think
45:05that ultimately, there was just bad vibes from last year with
45:09Chad Ryland. I think that he did try to improve. He's a good
45:12guy but I think it's best with how it went last year to just
45:15move on to someone else. Yeah and you know, I I said this in
45:19the last episode. It's great. It's cool. If you play really
45:23well at any position, the first week, week and a half of
45:25training camp. Yeah. That doesn't matter as much if you
45:28are then worse in a position competition for the rest of
45:31camp or don't perform to that level in the last week and a
45:34half. Right. Everyone's worn down. You're in pads. It's more
45:37competitive. You'll understand where you are and where things
45:40are trending because that's what the coaches are gonna lean
45:42on and especially in that lens, who is better lately and who
45:45is better at longer kicks even though he missed 260 plus
45:47yarders at Washington. Joey Sly was the guy. So, I don't think
45:51kicker is gonna suddenly be this like strength of the
45:54football team but whether it's vibes or just you look at the
45:56pure on-field product, Joey Sly was a better kicker. So, Chad
46:00Ryland moves on. He is a good kid. I know he went back to a
46:02lot of his old fundamentals. They got him drafted in the
46:04fourth round. He got plenty of leg strength. Did not really
46:07agree with the techniques taught by Joe Houston and and um
46:11Cam Accord last year. They're gone. He was better. Just not
46:14good enough. Uh okay. Last one linebacker. I I don't have many
46:17thoughts here either. Like it's it it was fairly predictable
46:20for me writing up those practice reports every day. I'd
46:22get down to the section. Um okay. Jelani started. Juwan
46:27Bentley started again. Raycon McMillan's in there.
46:29Christian Ellis in there. Okay. Uh alright. Next defensive
46:33backs. Like I was that was in. That's what we have. Bentley's
46:36here. Yeah. McMillan and Christian Ellis. I think your
46:39core special teamers. They're in there. Anthony Jennings,
46:41O'Shane Ziminis, and Josh Uche are on the edge. What did I
46:43miss? Uh Joe Joe Giles Harris overall I think had a good camp.
46:47He wasn't a crazy standout or anything like that. Good camp,
46:51good preseason, but he's been around the league and like once
46:56again going back to that conversation like you should
46:58feel pretty confident that you can get Joe Giles Harris
47:01through waivers on your practice squad where he can be
47:04that further depth that linebacker or you even
47:08potentially bring him up for special teams duties if
47:11necessary, but like that's just not a player that you need to
47:14keep on your roster because you can get him through and you can
47:18get him on your practice squad just as easily. He's he's more
47:21of a practice squad player than he is a 53 man roster player at
47:24this point in his career. Yeah, I will say you know that was
47:27one other note I had and I might have even said it on here
47:29is like look if you wanna get down into the weeds where it's
47:33basically just dirt the back from inside linebacker
47:36competition was one of the closest ones to camp because
47:38Joe Giles Harris even saw this at Washington getting into
47:41passing lanes getting his hands on balls, but it also speaks to
47:44the larger truth of just hey the second half of preseason
47:47games and you know running with the third stringers. It's just
47:51not that telling about being a football player. The more
47:53telling part is you're playing that deep in the preseason
47:55games where you're playing that late into practice when they're
47:58handing out reps. That's where he was. That's where he lived.
48:00I think him and Ellis and even Rayquan McMillan had good camps,
48:03but Joe Giles Harris was not the one running with three out
48:06of four special teams units and so the two guys who were got
48:09the bump for me and they made the team and I think Joe Giles
48:11Harris might be back and good for him. Like again, these guys
48:14to make it to get where they wanna go make as much money as
48:17they can, but it's just not gonna happen. Anything else we
48:20missed here any position any player again. I mentioned every
48:24single draft pick made it from this class. I think rebuilding
48:27teams do that. They pick the players obviously they like
48:29them. They wanna give more run. I don't have still long term
48:31hopes for Jane Bell or Marcella style based on what I've seen
48:35so far. I'm not ruling it out, but that's that's basically all
48:38I got. Well, what's your predicted starting offensive
48:42line week one? This is a good question. Cuz you know what
48:48occurred to me too is that Mike has also played a little left
48:52guard in his NFL career and it didn't go particularly well in
48:552021 when he'd come back from playing right guard or my
48:58tackle and bounce around was a stutter because then he gets
49:01benched in that week four game Brady back, but of course we
49:04all remember it is the day that Ted Karras took over and
49:06didn't lose that left guard job. It's true from then on out,
49:09but if they really wanted to move him over, you could keep
49:11Leighton Robinson at right guard and then a core for right
49:15tackle who knows about left tackle. All of which is to say
49:17I don't know I like it that the health part on low and and so
49:21keeps me from giving any good answer, which feels like a cop
49:24out. But if it is, you know you can call me out on it. No, I
49:29I think it's fair. I I I still think it's probably gonna be
49:34low. So Andrews a when you a core for but like if those guys
49:40are hurt, then it could also wind up being a core for left
49:45tackle Michael Jordan at left guard David Andrews at center
49:49Leighton Robinson at right guard and Michael when he went
49:51right tackle like literally every other position can be
49:54changed around depending on which guys can play and which
49:58combination the Patriots like the most. The only thing we
50:00know the only thing we know about the offensive line is that
50:03David Andrews is gonna be at center. Every single other
50:06position is up for grabs and who knows what's gonna happen.
50:11That's concerning II tweeted during the game. Not not a very
50:16serious night of tweeting and from being on said right on
50:18deadline as did you David Andrews should ask for another
50:21raise and extension. The more time passes MVP. I just need to
50:25send that to his agent and be like, hey, you know if this
50:28this happens like 0.01%, are we are we cool cuz I got a lot
50:32more attention than you would think for NFL center over 30
50:36should get more money. Everyone's on board cuz we're
50:38all watching the same thing going. Yeah. Oh god. Oh please
50:42god. Oh someone's gonna get hurt. Oh there it is. Yeah and
50:46I think that you know if they can find a center, that's one
50:48thing that we didn't talk about too much. I don't know who the
50:50available guys are out there but like yeah, finding a guy
50:54concept the ball is is kind of a should be a priority for the
50:58Patriots if they don't trust Nick Clever, which after that
51:00Sunday night game, I'm not sure if they can trust Nick Clever
51:03as a center. So we'll end there. If you played high
51:05school football or you played college where you successfully
51:08snap the ball, the New England Patriots are looking for you.
51:10Please apply to actually I think I could probably guess
51:14your email. We're not gonna give it out. We are just gonna
51:16say thank you to Doug for coming on as always the
51:19people's favorite guest. We'll be back Thursday special
51:21edition. Not as much deep into the weeds talk. This is gonna
51:24be zoom out. It's gonna be a lot of fun. A lot of laughs
51:26about how to help you survive watching potentially a team
51:30going for the number one overall pick in a very good
51:32way. This is not being facetious. This is not
51:35twisting the knife just to do it because you get plenty of
51:37that in Boston media space. You know here you can kind of
51:39laughs and sats and fun. So with that we're gonna say
51:42goodbye and see you in a couple days and thank you again
51:44Doug. Absolutely.