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00:00I am joined by Robert Griffin III, James White, Field, Yates, Mena Kimes.

00:10All right, so first play we're going to look at, second and two, one of the Patriots' first

00:14offensive plays.

00:17What's going on, everyone?

00:18Mike Cadillac, Taylor Collis here for CLNS Media, back with another episode of the Patriots

00:24Daily Podcast, powered by PrizePix, powered by GameTime, and now powered by a bunch of

00:29Bill Belichick rumors, where obviously it's a Wednesday.

00:32We're going to get to all of your Patriots questions that were so kindly put out to us

00:38on Twitter.

00:39We'll try and get some in the chat as well if we get to it here, but first let's talk

00:43about a couple things.

00:44We talked about both of them yesterday, but we're going to start with Belichick, and then

00:47we'll finish with some Gerard Mayo stuff that went down in Foxborough today.

00:53Nothing crazy, but obviously the Patriots practiced today, so we'll ask for Taylor's

00:57updates there.

00:58First and foremost, it seems like this Belichick thing is getting realer and realer by the

01:02day.

01:03We have a new update here basically every single day on the channel, and the latest

01:07is from, originally, Inside Carolina, which was the first.

01:12We've talked about them a bunch on here, because it was the first people that really broke

01:15Belichick's first interview last Thursday.

01:18We keep comparing them to our friend Kevin Stone of the New England Football Journal,

01:21sort of a local college beat.

01:24They nailed it.

01:25Things have since come out, and then today they reported that they are finalizing Belichick

01:30to UNC.

01:31Now, it's since been held back a little bit more from Albert Brewer of Sports Illustrated,

01:36from Adam Schefter of ESPN, or Pete Thamel and Chris Glow, I believe, of ESPN have it

01:41as well, and then Jonathan Jones of CBS.

01:43All are basically saying that they're nearing a deal, they're ironing out the details, and

01:48that both sides are working towards getting this thing done.

01:51So while it's not official, it feels like Bill's going to college, Taylor.

01:54What do you make of it?

01:56What are your thoughts on this?

01:57It's pretty wild that all of the rumors keep coming out, and it's like, oh, that's crazy.

02:01I wonder if it actually happens.

02:02Now that it's real, I feel like it's becoming a lot more wilder by the moment.

02:07It's so interesting.

02:09The manifesto thing is cool.

02:11It's just like, what is his offense going to look like?

02:13What's his defense going to look like?

02:15I know the Patriots borrowed some things from college, like their mint front, where they

02:19would sometimes have like Jabril Peppers, or Kyle Duggar is a pseudo outside linebacker

02:23in some of those five-man fronts.

02:24That usually helps you protect against RPOs, like they used it a ton against Joe Burrow

02:28a couple of years back.

02:29But I'm going to be very interested to see how he changes his coaching philosophy, because

02:34I do know that, to a degree, at some point, I think he acknowledged that he did need to

02:38keep up with the times and let the young players know how to be able to connect with them and

02:43get messaging through to them.

02:44And that's part of being a coach.

02:45You need to learn how to be the best communicator for different types of people.

02:49But if he's going to take the approach he did with Brady, where you're doing low lights

02:54and you're calling guys out, I know in college, a lot of kids are on scholarship, and there's

03:00not a whole lot they can say, which is why coaches like college better, or at least used

03:04to before NIL, because they had a lot more power.

03:07And then you get to the NFL, and people are like, I'm a grown-ass man.

03:10Who do you think you're talking to?

03:11I make more than you, so you're not about to be doing all that.

03:15Obviously, different with Belichick, but it's just going to be interesting.

03:18Is he going to adapt?

03:20I think those who are close to the Patriots know, or who really follow them closely, know

03:24that Bill is not actually the evil hoodie.

03:27He has his own sense of humor.

03:29Anybody you ask will be like, no, Bill's low-key, very funny.

03:32He just goes about it in a different way.

03:34So it's not like he's some monster or anything.

03:36But still, the way that he tries to get the best out of players in the NFL may not be

03:41the same for college students.

03:42So from a scheme perspective, from a philosophical communication perspective, it's going to be

03:47interesting to see how he adapts.

03:48But I'm sure that UNC is very familiar with his track record, and I'm sure they're not

03:52going to bring him in if he's going to be the exact same Bill Belichick.

03:56You want the structure, and you want the experience, and you want the expertise, but you may not

04:00want, again, that negative kind of reinforcement where you're dragging guys a little bit, because

04:05that just might not fly, especially with the NIL.

04:07I wrote about this yesterday for SI.com, and it was actually from WEI when Ross Tucker

04:14was on with Andy Hart and Christian Arcand yesterday.

04:17Ross Tucker has turned into an NFL media guy, but he also used to play football, and he

04:22played in 2005 with the Patriots.

04:24And he basically went on their show yesterday and was like, Belichick will be the worst

04:28college head coach, because from what I know about college football and what I know about

04:31Bill Belichick, he is negative reinforcement all day long.

04:35He's not going to be able to recruit.

04:37And now, take that with a grain of salt, because Tucker obviously only played one season in

04:40New England.

04:41And you're right.

04:42With guys who really know him, know that he can get to you the right way.

04:45It's just different.

04:46It's interesting.

04:48The difference between college and the NFL, and I think what's interesting, actually,

04:51with that is what he said yesterday on Pat McAfee, talking about how he would run a college

04:56program.

04:57I'm going to read it.

04:58I quoted it.

04:59I tweeted it yesterday.

05:00Basically, he was saying that, I'm going to turn it into a pipeline to the NFL for players

05:03that will have that ability.

05:04We'll run it like professionals, training, nutrition, scheme, coaching, and techniques,

05:08all that will transfer.

05:09And it will be geared towards developing players, honing in on time management, discipline,

05:14structure, and all of that, developing lifestyles, and basically said, I have all the contacts

05:19in the NFL that I have no doubt that I'll be able to do that.

05:21Also felt like a recruiting pitch, right through the words of ESPN.

05:25But again, I think he has sort of learned and adapted to this new age of players.

05:30The guy's 72.

05:32You have to adapt or die in this business.

05:34I think Mac Brown, he obviously got fired from UNC, but I think he did a pretty good

05:38job of that over the last couple of years, since leaving Texas and going there.

05:41I mean, Drake May talks the world about Mac Brown, and now, granted, he helped him become

05:46the number three overall pick and one of the best young quarterbacks in football, but that's

05:49beside the point.

05:50But yeah, interesting stuff on Bill.

05:53Maybe news breaks within the hour while we're on here that it's official, but as of now,

05:57talks between Bill Belichick still ongoing with UNC, but it looks like they're trying

06:01to get it across the finish line.

06:03All right, that's the Bill Belichick update, Taylor.

06:05Now let's talk about what's going on, Patriots post-bye week.

06:08It's Wednesday.

06:09They're back at practice today.

06:10You were down there.

06:11I was not.

06:12Two questions for you.

06:13One, any updates, just in general practice attendance, that you can relay anything of

06:19note?

06:20And secondly, the report that we talked about yesterday on the show where Jarrod Mayo's

06:25job could be in jeopardy if these last four games don't go according to plan, they get

06:29blown out, et cetera, loses the locker room.

06:31That was from Craig Bedard yesterday.

06:33We talked about it on the show.

06:34Any updates there?

06:35You can relay any information or just any thoughts in general, questions asked about

06:39Mayo and his job security moving forward.

06:43So with attendance, Marcus Jones, once again, was not there.

06:46We actually saw a few guys in the locker room with masks.

06:49You saw Kyle Dugger.

06:50He was at practice.

06:51Devon Gottschalk, he was at practice.

06:53Marcus Jones has had that mask on, I think, for at least a couple of days and he missed

06:55a couple of practices.

06:56So he could be dealing with some kind of illness.

06:58I believe we're going to get an injury report today.

07:01So we'll get a little bit more information on what may be going on there.

07:04Javon Baker, whose locker actually moved from the corner where you first walk in, he used

07:09to be with all the running backs, like Kevin Harris, Jermichael Hays, Diermondier Stevenson,

07:12Antonio Gibson, and then awkwardly, like Javon Baker.

07:16They only have so many spaces in the locker room and sometimes you just need to accommodate

07:19based on where guys have been, what spots you have available, because that's awesome

07:23pushback on like, why is he not with the receivers?

07:25Like Polk was with the tight ends and offensive linemen earlier.

07:28So you kind of do your best with what you've got.

07:31Now Javon Baker is between Jacoby Brissette and Demario Douglas.

07:34Now all of the receivers are finally together, but he was not at practice, Javon Baker, and

07:39you know, a stretch where we're expecting to see more of the young guys.

07:42We'd like to see him out on the field.

07:43So that was a little disappointing, but besides the attendance, go to Gerard Mayo.

07:48The big thing, really, I still don't get the vibe that players are going against Gerard

07:53Mayo.

07:54Like we haven't gotten any hint of that.

07:56And I think if you really need to be worried, it's when things start to kind of leak out

08:00and you get the kind of off comment every once in a while where it's like, that's not

08:04the status quo.

08:05Like, yeah.

08:06Like what made you say that when, you know, your head kind of peeks up a little bit like,

08:10okay, exactly.

08:11And Hunter Henry was talking about how he appreciates the consistency, the messaging

08:14from Gerard Mayo.

08:15That's been the same really throughout where it's, you got to learn from your losses and

08:18you got to find ways to win.

08:20Might sound obvious, but I'm sure that consistency allows them to at least have a message in

08:24some or a vision for what they need to achieve and something always have in the back of their

08:28minds during games, outside of games, what have you.

08:32I asked also, Kendrick Bourne, no, I'm sorry, Christian Gonzalez.

08:35I tried to ask Kendrick Bourne.

08:36I couldn't get one in, but I asked Hunter Henry, oh my God, I'm getting names like stuff.

08:41I asked Christian Gonzalez.

08:42Oh my goodness.

08:43Sorry.

08:44Sorry.

08:45I'm flustered.

08:46I literally just, I asked Christian Gonzalez, you know, all head coaches have different

08:49edges that they bring, you know, something that makes them unique.

08:52What is that for Gerard Mayo, especially in the context of, you know, it's been a tough

08:55season you're trying to retain buy-in.

08:57He mentioned the playing background, which is what KJ Osborne mentioned, what Austin

09:01Cooper mentioned.

09:02Basically what a lot of players said over the summer who were new was they were really

09:06intrigued by Gerard Mayo, the perspective he brings.

09:09And Gonzo was saying, yeah, if Gerard Mayo is telling you something, he probably knows

09:13what he's talking about and he does a good job of preparing those guys.

09:16So the locker room, there was not a single whiff of Gerard Mayo being on any kind of

09:20hot seat.

09:21But at the same time, the report did say it would have to be a disastrous end of the season.

09:26You know, like we said, if you get blown out week after week after week, then yeah, you're

09:31probably staring a potential scalding hot seat in the face.

09:36But I do not think we're even close to getting there.

09:38I think guys are ready to reset, ready to finish strong.

09:40And Drake may mention how guys, you know, there's a, there's a sense of urgency in the

09:45locker room because guys, I love this quote.

09:47He said, we never want to have this season again.

09:49And I'm sure fans feel the exact same way.

09:51So they understand the circumstances.

09:52I think a lot of these guys also understand the need for professionalism and really locking

09:57in, like finding your why or whatever it is to close out the season and just try to finish

10:00strong and, you know, whether it's because they're leaving, this wasn't something I was

10:03said, but like, whether you're a free agent, you just want to put good tape out there.

10:06Like teams are going to look at the last four months and if you clocked out, they may not

10:11want you as badly if you're, you know, on the open market.

10:13And if you're returning, you want to have something that you can hold up and be like,

10:17Hey, next year, if we fix these things, maybe we got a little something going on.

10:20So yeah, it was, it was just a refreshed locker room and you know, the press conferences,

10:24I would say.

10:25Any other good quotes from Drake?

10:26I didn't get to listen in.

10:28Not a ton, really.

10:29He got a bunch of questions about Belichick and UNC and he was like, yeah, that'd be really

10:34cool.

10:35You know, nothing really too crazy there.

10:36He said it'd be, it was very interesting.

10:38I'm trying to think, he mentioned.

10:39If you don't have it, no worries.

10:41I just, again, I didn't get to listen in.

10:42So I'm like literally scanning through my brain, like ball security is something he

10:45said he wanted to emphasize and not thrown into bad windows because Hunter brought up

10:49how there was a sack he took that led to a field goal that he was really impressed by

10:52where Drake didn't throw into traffic.

10:54So that's, that's pretty much it.

10:56Yeah.

10:57And on the, on the male front, before we move on to questions here, I know you sort of mentioned

11:00like the losing the locker room thing and how right now everything seems fine, but like

11:04a lot can happen honestly, over four weeks.

11:06And I, I, it made me think when you said that to like the Matt Eberflew situation in Chicago.

11:12Now I'm not comparing it to that, but they went into this season, revamped their roster,

11:18drafted Caleb, number one overall, and basically gave Matt Eberflew another chance.

11:23And I think at the beginning, you would at least assume that that was because the locker

11:26room was relatively bought in on the guy and they would kind of get a feel of the players.

11:31And very quickly this season, they were like four and two, they were in the playoff hunt.

11:35And then all of a sudden they tank, they lose six straight.

11:38And by the time the end of that Thanksgiving game boils to, you know, boils over Jalen

11:43Johnson is reaming out Matt Eberflew is in the locker room.

11:46And I'm not saying that's going to happen here, but I'm saying like there is, there

11:49is a possibility if it gets super ugly over these next four weeks that it could happen.

11:54You're not saying it will, but that's kind of how quickly that stuff can happen in the

11:57league.

11:58So obviously his job, not necessarily super safe, given the, given the season, but I think

12:03if things go status quo from here, he will be okay.

12:06Obviously see what happens over these next four weeks.

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13:29Prospects.

13:30Now let's get in to our questions.

13:34Let's start here.

13:35This is from where I like this guy's name, curmudgeon Mike.

13:39You would think it's my burner.

13:40Yeah.

13:41Right.

13:42Uh, I guess this is sort of what we just said, but I guess we can kind of dive a little deeper

13:46if we want.

13:47What do we think the final Gary Ames need to look like for him to save his job heading

13:50into the off season?

13:52I think you need to be in it towards or until the end against the Cardinals and the chargers.

13:57I think the Cardinals were very inconsistent team as talented as they are.

14:00They're very boomer bust.

14:01I think to a bit on both sides of the ball, like Kyler Murray's made some outstanding

14:05plays, especially outside of structure.

14:07He's also put the ball in harm's way more than most quarterbacks over their last few

14:10games.

14:11Then you look at the defense.

14:12Buddha Baker is kind of the shining example of this, where he's the kind of guy who's

14:15going to make some plays and obviously like 18 tackles last week.

14:18I don't even know how that's possible, especially for safety.

14:21But at the same time, he also misses a bunch of tackles and the Cardinals are like one

14:25of the teams that's given up.

14:26I think the most missed tackles, but they're also have like had some of the most stops.

14:30So it's very kind of back and forth there.

14:32So the Cardinals, I think is a game you can win.

14:35I think Chargers, especially with such a very shallow receiving core with Patriots

14:39secondary.

14:40I think that's another game.

14:41They should be until the end.

14:42The Bills look, if you get blown out in Buffalo, I'm working to happen like that is.

14:49It's one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL and MVP candidate, a defense that's extremely

14:54well coached and plays its heart out.

14:56And you just saw what happened against the Rams where they're down.

14:58They come, you know, swooping back and almost end up pulling it out towards the end if it

15:03weren't for one poor coaching decision.

15:05So that at Buffalo game is the one where I'm just like, hey, man, just like don't don't

15:09beat yourself is the biggest thing.

15:11If it's penalties and it's just like you have a complete brain fart, then that's a bad look.

15:15But at least one of those Buffalo games, I think you need to be competitive, whether

15:18Josh Allen's playing in the last game of the season or not.

15:21So that's kind of where I'm at.

15:22Like, I got to be competitive in these games, but the one pass I'll kind of give would be,

15:28you know, that one game at Buffalo.

15:30I'm totally with you.

15:31I mean, even yesterday, like we talked about this and you had mentioned I mentioned going

15:37on for but keeping competitive, it would be OK.

15:39And even you push back and you were like, they need to win at least one of these.

15:42And I still don't know if they do.

15:44I do think they just need to play each one relatively competitive throughout the end.

15:49And I think, like you mentioned, I'm kind of just regurgitating what you said a little

15:52bit.

15:53But playing Arizona, playing L.A. is a reasonable expectation right now.

16:00Buffalo is its own thing.

16:02The game out there, it's not week 18 yet.

16:04Allen's likely going to play.

16:06So that's what it is.

16:07But I do think that week 18 game is actually pretty important, because even if they are

16:12playing starters, they're looking ahead to the postseason.

16:15You're at home.

16:16This is your last your last tape to put on for the twenty twenty four season.

16:21Right.

16:22I think even if starters are in that game, you're at home and you need to play relatively

16:26competitive football.

16:27Now, if it turns into a 14 point loss at the end or, you know, something, but you need

16:31to play sound like you mentioned, the penalties can happen.

16:35One of the two Buffalo games, actually, no, the last Buffalo game at home has to be competitive.

16:39Name the other two.

16:40You got to keep it close.

16:41I think it'll be OK if this just turns into, like we mentioned, this nightmare scenario

16:45where, you know, you come off the by and the discipline gets worse and players aren't giving

16:50their all and Mayo again loses this locker room for whatever reason, coaching decisions.

16:55Again, you're talking about a potential one and done, but I think play it safe, play a

16:58competitive and he'll be just fine and especially with the red zone stuff.

17:02That's the biggest thing on both sides of the ball.

17:04Like if if Marvin Harrison Jr. catches a contested pass against Christian Gonzalez and scores

17:09like, yeah, OK, I'm fine with competitive reps, but the wide open stuff that we've been

17:14seeing where it's not even, you know, there's no one in the area code and the offense like

17:18shooting itself in the foot again with the penalties like those are the biggest things

17:22where the other stuff that's going on, you know, you want to make those improvements,

17:25but the red zone execution is probably like the banner thing that you got to just it's

17:29got to look better than what it has in the past.

17:31Totally.

17:32Taylor, you actually asked this question the other or last week on Twitter to followers.

17:37So I wanted to kind of I wanted to see the feedback you got and I wanted to get your

17:40answer to came in in the mailbag.

17:42What has drive Mayo done well this year?

17:44Like what is the affirmative case for his return?

17:46Besides, it's just year one because you kind of asked it and we talked about it like what

17:51is the the draw aside from players, coach and guys still haven't bought out just yet.

17:58So one thing I'd say is we've seen the team bounce back after their worst games.

18:01I don't think that's nothing.

18:03There were multiple times this year where things could have spiraled and obviously like,

18:06yes, they lose to the Dolphins.

18:08They also lose to the Colts.

18:09But you that was a very competitive game still that came down to a two point conversion or

18:13the Colts a playoff team were like, you know what, we just want to kind of put this away

18:17and not really give them a chance to come back in this one.

18:19So I think that's the biggest thing for me is that they haven't really spiraled at any

18:24point this season.

18:25When things get bad, they have a much more competitive effort the next week.

18:29And two out of the three times that happened, they won.

18:32I would also say, I think that he does prepare them well, like in terms of letting them know

18:36like the keys to the game that Belichick always talked about, like this, we have to do week

18:40in and week out.

18:41Mayo says it, players say it.

18:43They're like, we knew what we had to do and we didn't do it.

18:45Now that's its own problem, of course.

18:47But I think as a as a head coach, that needs to be like one of the bare minimums is you

18:51need to give the answers to the test.

18:53I think he does that pretty well, especially if I was a linebacker, it's not like he doesn't

18:56know how to study tape, find tendencies, look for weaknesses.

18:59He's not Bill Belichick.

19:00But, you know, he's still a cerebral guy who understands the game very well.

19:04I would say those are the two big things and also like retaining the buy in.

19:07I know that seems like nothing, but that's not nothing.

19:09This is a losing season.

19:11Yes, they have young players and yes, this is a rebuild where a lot of guys knew what

19:14they were in for.

19:16That doesn't always matter.

19:17Sometimes if you start losing and things aren't looking great, it's very easy for people to

19:20start pointing fingers.

19:22The locker room starts to divide.

19:23That has not happened.

19:24They have been consistent in their messaging.

19:26Yeah, like, you know, little things throughout the season where the receivers were upset

19:30or whatever.

19:31But like, that's not the kind of thing where I was like, oh, no, the team is falling apart.

19:34Like, yes.

19:35Happening in in Philly right now.

19:37A.J.

19:38Brown and Jalen Hurst apparently hate each other and they're still 11 and two and going

19:40to go to the Super Bowl.

19:41And you have a veteran who's going out on interviews and being like bad in reporting

19:46things that nobody knew about.

19:49So yeah, I do think there are some positives and those are the things that excite me.

19:52I think the thing he really needs to improve handling the media, which I need a much better

19:57job today.

19:58No crazy quotes.

19:59I barely understood what he said.

20:00I barely remembered what he said when I was just trying to pull stuff back.

20:03That's what he wants.

20:05That's a very good thing that and then I think the in-game situational execution.

20:10Those are the two really big adjustments I'd like to see him make.

20:13But yeah, I do like what we've seen so far.

20:16But also, like I mentioned yesterday, I'd like to see more aggression, better situational

20:20execution.

20:21And again, the media stuff, just like don't make any more headlines.

20:25If we can get that done, you know, more aggression, better decisions in those critical moments

20:30and then no unnecessary headlines.

20:32I think that you're looking good, Gerard Mayo heading into year two with some time to reflect

20:36on what you could have done better.

20:38Yeah, I'm with you.

20:39And I think he does obviously bring the players not again, he says he's not a players coach

20:43and I tend to agree with him, but he knows how to get the most out of players by being

20:47a former player.

20:48And I think that's the line he wants to sort of, you know, the fence he wants to kind of

20:54stand on, right?

20:55Is being being hard on these guys, getting the most out of them, but also understanding

20:58what these guys go through on a day-to-day basis.

21:00And I think he's done a pretty good job of that.

21:03Now the you mentioned the in-game stuff decision making.

21:06I also just think the in-game like actual coaching too, where he should be able to give

21:11a helping hand to DeMarcus Cummington.

21:13It feels like he hasn't wanted to do that yet because I actually, he mentioned that

21:17today.

21:18He said, even if it doesn't look like he's talking to everybody else, he has the headset.

21:22So they're in constant communication.

21:24That's just one thing where when you look at the, when you look at it from the broadcast,

21:27he's just standing in one place most of the time and it's just like, what is going on?

21:31But he did say that even when you don't realize he's still talking to those guys.

21:34Yeah.

21:35And you hope that's the case.

21:36And all you can do is believe him.

21:37And I, you know, I do until he proves us wrong on that front.

21:40But there are some, sometimes like I always think of Jim Caldwell with the Colts where

21:45it looks like that guy just stood there and let Peyton Manning run the entire show.

21:48Now granted, I think they won a Superbowl or they, yeah, they won a Superbowl with Caldwell

21:52or they went to one and lost, but no, they went to one and lost in 2009, but he was,

21:56they were still good on that team.

21:58And, but yeah, it just, it does sometimes it gives off that vibe that he doesn't really,

22:03he's not really coaching in game, but obviously he he went against that today, but yeah, that,

22:07and then the, the, the player's coach aspect, I think is important.

22:11I think that can help guys come in and potentially attract free agents.

22:16So just build on that.

22:17And again, to the, to the question, I do think it just being year one on a team that was

22:22pretty decimated does give him the right, I guess, to return next year, barring a complete

22:28collapse.

22:29And even Dietrich Wise talked about how, like with the miscommunications and the issues

22:32on defense.

22:33He mentioned it today.

22:34John Jones mentioned, I believe on Monday that there are a lot of young guys, a lot

22:38of new guys that have been in the mix and that does play an effect.

22:40Now it's more disappointing when you're talking about a guy like Kyle Duggar being the one

22:45who's making those like really critical mistakes, obviously early in the season, it was Jelani

22:49Tavai.

22:50But you also, you know, you have Christian Ellis, you have Del Pettis, you have Jalen

22:53Hawkins.

22:54You have like Jaquay Lenore, Eric Johnson.

22:56There are so many, Yannick Ngakwe, Yannick Ngakwe, not necessarily inexperienced, but

23:01a guy who's still new to your system.

23:03There are a lot of new pieces, rotating pieces, far more coming back and trying to get his

23:07legs under him.

23:08So that's another aspect of it.

23:09Like when people say it's the same defense or they want to compare the two, it's like,

23:14it's not apples to apples.

23:15It's very much apples to oranges.

23:16And it's like, not to be condescending, but it's like, if you really think about it and

23:20think, okay, why aren't they better?

23:21Like look at the roster, look at the guys who were playmakers last year and look where

23:25those impact players are now.

23:27And I think that answers a lot of the questions about why they took such a big step back.

23:31And that's why I'm transitioning us to this question here from at that guy stinks on Twitter.

23:36Love the handle, by the way.

23:38Why do you think the defense has played so bad with Demarcus Covington, who was so highly

23:41spoken about in coaching circles last season?

23:44It's really tough when you don't really know what exactly a defensive coordinator for a

23:48team is doing in that exact week, right?

23:51Because the biggest thing they do is just prepare you.

23:53Like they let you know what you can expect.

23:55And then a lot of the other stuff is position coaches, like the really specific minute things

23:59because you have to break these things up.

24:01One person can't do everything.

24:02The DC has so many other things to think about.

24:05I would say obviously the talent is one thing.

24:07I think the Belichick effect and not having him, just the little nuggets he can give you

24:12that goes such a long way and can kind of just simplify things in a way that even coaches.

24:18Coaches will talk about like who have very successful careers.

24:21I think it was Matt rule last year mentioned how he had a conversation with Bill and it

24:26kind of felt like, Oh my God, these were things that I'd never really thought of.

24:31And it really opened my mind to things.

24:32I think that's a really big factor.

24:34So talent not having to build Belichick advantage.

24:38And I want to sound like a scapegoat and I'm trying to get to Marcus Covington out of the

24:42weeds because I think if there has to be a scapegoat and someone needs to get fired and

24:46the crabs are like, I want blood, like who is going to pay for this bad season?

24:50It might maybe unfairly have to be Covington.

24:53I really would like to know, I wish I could give a player true serum and be like,

24:57what is he not doing well enough?

24:59Maybe like the coaching of the fundamentals, maybe not focusing on certain things quite

25:03enough that can obviously be a part of it.

25:05But it also feels like the issues are so inconsistent where it's rarely like one thing for more than

25:10a few weeks.

25:11And if it is one thing in a few weeks, usually it gets corrected.

25:14Like we talked about tackling for a while that got better containing mobile quarterbacks

25:18that got better third down defense got better.

25:20We don't really talk about those things because it's always just like shit on DeMarcus Covington

25:24time.

25:25But there's not a lot of issues you can talk about that were issues earlier in the season

25:29that have persisted.

25:30The run defense hasn't been great, but you also look at who they played.

25:32Like we talked about it.

25:33Tank Bigsby, Tony Pollard, Jonathan Taylor.

25:38Like these are guys with very good vision that are very powerful.

25:42Joe Mixon.

25:43And that was a different, that was like really bad coverage bus.

25:46Like that's giving up explosive plays, but they've really cut down on the explosive carries

25:50and we haven't quite had a game like Tank Bigsby had where they could not stop him to

25:55save their life.

25:55Right.

25:56So I do want to give him credit for that.

25:58They have made a lot of adjustments, but I think the lack of talent, not having Belichick,

26:01those are probably the two biggest things.

26:03Cause you don't get that extra winning edge that you need sometimes when you have a depleted

26:07roster and you're like, all right, next man up.

26:09That sounds great, but it sounds even better when you got Bill Belichick and he can, you

26:12know, just really make things crystal clear for these young guys.

26:15Let's stay on the Belichick topic.

26:17There's a tweet from a, from a UNC offensive lineman who tweeted like within an hour ago,

26:23I have decided to take my name out of the transfer portal.

26:26Hashtag Go Heels.

26:27Like that has Bill written all over it.

26:29I think that's so funny.

26:30So you mentioned the Belichick.

26:32I love this, this story now it's, it gets funner by the, by the hour.

26:36And you mentioned the Belichick effect of.

26:38Oh, it's Katzen.

26:39Oh my God.

26:39This is one of my boys, Alex Katzen.

26:42Oh, hi, Alex Katzen.

26:43Uh, well this, this tweet, this, uh, this, this Belichick story, I love it.

26:50And you mentioned this Belichick effect, the breadth of knowledge he has in his head about

26:53football.

26:54They, this 400 page Bible that he gives them, like he knows everything about the game.

26:58And I like how you said the Matt rule thing too.

27:00So I know college NFL different, frankly, neither of us are as well versed in college

27:07football as we are in the pros.

27:09But what, like, do you think, do you think he can do this?

27:12Like, do you think he's going to go there and he's going to elevate the program and

27:15he'll probably help them get a couple more athletes, but do you think it's actually going

27:19to work?

27:19What are your, what are your thoughts on that?

27:21I think having Nick Saban as a resource and a pest friend is massive because Saban obvious

27:27was, was NIL part of the reason he retired.

27:29Yeah, I think so.

27:30He wasn't, he wasn't a fan of the whole, the new landscape.

27:33And they've clearly talked about this, right?

27:35And like, you know, Nick Saban did not do well in college because he did not like, or

27:39didn't do well in the NFL because he liked the college environment better, where you

27:42have more control and you can tell people what to do and they can't really bark back.

27:46So he at least can tell Bill Belichick, all right, this is the kind of stuff that works

27:50because they have very similar coaching styles.

27:52You look at Nick Saban coaching at Bama and it's just like college Bill Belichick, where

27:56he is getting after these guys.

27:58He's not letting any detail or attention to that lack.

28:01So I think that maybe he can let Belichick know, all right, you got to curve some things,

28:05but yeah, you still got to lean into these guys because they do need discipline.

28:08But like what Belichick and Saban bring, that attention to detail, being able to communicate

28:13things in a way that very few coaches on the planet in any sport can do.

28:18So I absolutely think he'll be successful.

28:20Now it's going to be two years.

28:22I like to give him a year of some, you know, potential growing pains because so many people

28:26say that college and football and NFL football are two different sports.

28:29Got the wider hashes.

28:31Philosophy is a little bit different.

28:32You know, you can't rely on the quarterback quite as much.

28:35There's more sideline communication.

28:37There's so many different aspects to it.

28:39So I hope he surrounds himself with people who have experience in college.

28:42It can make that easier on him.

28:44But I think if he has that thousand foot view and just being more of someone who just relays

28:47messages, I think that can be fine because he's watching college.

28:50Like I think it's going to be a lot easier for him to kind of see.

28:54I won't say easier because a lot of the things that get to the NFL trickle up from high school,

28:58then college, then they get to the league.

29:00So it's not going to be the same kind of thing.

29:02But I mean, at some point, there's only so much you can innovate in football and Bill

29:06Belichick has seen just about everything.

29:07So I know I think he can be successful in college, but I also would like to acknowledge,

29:11like you said, we are ignorant when it comes to the college game.

29:14There could be aspects of this that I'm not even considering.

29:17But I mean, it's Bill Belichick.

29:18He's just, I think, a great coach, period.

29:20We even coaches respect and hold in high regard as a teacher.

29:23So I would be shocked if he's unsuccessful.

29:26I'll say that a couple of layers that I kind of keep have sort of been peeling back on this

29:31over the last couple of days.

29:32The first one is the the idea that he's like, we're not going to be able to talk about him

29:38anymore.

29:38It's almost like, oh, we want him to stay in the pros because we want him to stay relevant.

29:42Like, I think he's still going to be he's going to be appointment TV at UNC, like just

29:46like Dion.

29:48That's where I was going.

29:50Yeah, people, people love Dion in Colorado.

29:53They love Travis Hunter and Shader Sanders now because he brought a different element

29:57to that.

29:58Now, he's not going to be as open and, I guess, entertaining as Dion is at Colorado, but he

30:04still made Colorado Buffaloes the like worst college football program the year before they

30:10hired him into in two seasons, a ranked program.

30:12And they were just outside of the college football playoff.

30:15So the ability to turn around a program with a high profile coach, it can happen.

30:21It just did for the last two seasons in Boulder.

30:24And I think people, like I said, it's going to be appointment TV.

30:26People are going to watch.

30:27They're going to want to see what, how that team plays, at least early on, even down the

30:31stretch last year, like my brother became obsessed with the Colorado Buffaloes.

30:35And we, he used to come over and watch like when they first started winning those first

30:40couple of games last year.

30:42And he was like, oh, I love this team.

30:43They're so fun.

30:44I was, we would, we would watch the games together.

30:46And then by the end of the year, he'd still be texting me like, you want to watch the

30:48Colorado game?

30:49I'm like, no, they're four and eight, but like people still cared.

30:52Right.

30:53And so I think that's going to happen with Bill.

30:55And the other thing on that is, uh, with the new playoff, the ACC, isn't that challenging

31:03to win?

31:04Like Clemson won the ACC in the ACC championship this year.

31:07And they were ranked like 20th through, like they were basically unranked for some of the

31:13season because they went so up and down.

31:15They made a run, they get into the playoff or they get into the ACC championship rather

31:19because Miami, like if he just gets in and wins, the ACC gets in the playoff, anything

31:24can happen in a one game, one off against Bill Belichick.

31:27You think Bill Belichick isn't going to have you prepared to play Ohio state or Tennessee

31:31in, in a, in a one game, and then you can just move on from there.

31:34So if he makes the playoff, I think that's a good successful season.

31:37So I do think that'll happen with him in Chapel hill.

31:40So we'll see where it goes, but it's going to be fun to pay attention to.

31:43All right, Taylor, we're going to get back to some questions in a couple of minutes,

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33:08It's also time to finish the rest of this mailbag.

33:10So we are going to go to JR Hawk talking about free agency.

33:15What is the realistic plan B?

33:17If T Higgins actually stays in Cincy with upcoming free agent or which offensive free

33:22agent offensive lineman, excuse me, should the Patriots prioritize one little wrinkle

33:27to this is after Monday's game.

33:32Monday night's game.

33:32It was Bengals and Cowboys.

33:34And Joe Barrow was asked after the game about T Higgins potentially leaving.

33:38And he said, I have a feeling we're going to figure this thing out.

33:41And Kelsey Conway, who is a very respected Bengals reporter tweeted after the game.

33:47I've been covering Joe Barrow for years.

33:49He doesn't say anything that isn't calculated.

33:51I think he knows something.

33:52They're going to get this thing done.

33:53And then Jeremy, Jeremy Fowler from ESPN reported today that T Higgins may be switching agents.

33:59So something tells me they're going to get done with him in Cincinnati.

34:03So let's move on to plan B Taylor.

34:04What do you think it should be?

34:05And also if you want to hit on some free agents at the offensive line position as well.

34:08I mean, I think the plan B really has to be Ted.

34:11If you don't get Darius Slayton now, obviously you can try to go for a trade.

34:14There's been some rumblings about AJ Brown and Jalen hurts.

34:17We mentioned earlier.

34:19Now I do know that players have been saying that it was kind of getting blown up a little

34:23more than what it was and that'll make them better or whatever.

34:25But you always keep your ear to the ground with these kinds of things.

34:27AJ Brown has been traded from a team once different situation, but you know, it could

34:31happen again.

34:32You never know what these things.

34:34I would like trade for DK, you know, one of those guys, like if you're going to trade,

34:37I want it to be for those like true alpha X types who can completely take over a game

34:43that doesn't feel totally realistic right now.

34:46Then when you look for agency, there's just not a lot of great options.

34:48And that's kind of how free agency works.

34:49We talked about it last year, kind of feels like it's starting to shape up similarly this

34:53year.

34:53Although there are some players I think that will hit the market value every year.

34:57You got like five difference makers really on the market.

35:00But if you look at the wide receiver position outside of T Higgins, you're talking about

35:05step on digs.

35:06She's probably going to go back to the Texans.

35:08He had a season ending injury, but had a lot of chemistry with CJ Stroud early on.

35:12Keenan Allen don't really have any interest in him period, but I don't see why he wouldn't

35:16go back to the bears when they have better coaching around him.

35:19Amari Cooper was being a Buffalo bill.

35:22Chris Godwin's coming off a major injury.

35:24You know, I've been saying Darius Slayton because I think he's one of the few guys that

35:28has some real juice has lived at X in his career and can bring some verticality to the

35:33offense that they've been lacking.

35:35Demarcus Robinson's been a decent X for the Rams.

35:38And like I was saying last time we had this discussion, if you're good enough for Matthew

35:42Stafford and the Rams, I think you're good enough for the Patriots.

35:44They have obviously two superstars, but you know, at least it's a better in presence.

35:48Cause right now you don't really have a true X, even though Keisha Booty has been in the

35:52role.

35:52So again, you need a difference maker at receiver period.

35:55You cannot go into next year with the same room that you have right now.

35:58And maybe just like a couple of mid tier veterans added to the mix.

36:02So I think that's your alternative, whether it's him.

36:05Mika Buka, like whoever it is, Luther, Luther Burden, like you need one of those true difference

36:11makers who is going to be a starter from day one and be able to contribute right out of

36:15the box.

36:15So yeah, I hope that T it's the market.

36:18It's really going to suck if he doesn't, because this market is dry receiver this off

36:22season when you look at the realistic guys to hit the market.

36:25But yeah, I think it's probably just going to be the draft is your best case scenario.

36:28You mentioned Tet, you mentioned Luther Burden, you mentioned a Buka, you didn't mention

36:33Travis Hunter.

36:34Travis Hunter in the latest ESPN mock draft with field Yates this morning goes to the

36:39Patriots at pick number three.

36:40Obviously Heisman favorite, uh, unbelievable wide receiver, unbelievable cornerback plays

36:46both sides, did everything for Colorado this season.

36:48Question comes from G McJenkins.

36:51If we do take Travis Hunter, how would you expect the Patriots to use them?

36:54Are you worried about him being too skinny to handle the rigors of one side of the ball,

36:58let alone two?

36:58I know this has been your knock on Travis Hunter.

37:00So talk to me about Hunter.

37:01I also saw today that you tweeted that you're kind of warming up to the idea of them dropping.

37:05Yeah.

37:05And James White was on board.

37:08Um, but yeah, so I looked at scouting reports cause that's been my concern, but I haven't

37:13really heard about that from, you know, scouts or anything.

37:15So I wanted to just quick Google search.

37:17Let me read three scouting reports about Travis Hunter and see if I'm alone in that fear.

37:21If he has the potential to gain some mass now, friend of the show, Andre Weingarten,

37:25who used to be an NFL scout did mention that Travis Hunter's legs are pretty skinny and

37:30they don't look like they can put on much more mass, but he did say they're very toned,

37:34which obviously like it's more muscle there.

37:36So maybe that'll help, but really none of the scouting reports I read said anything

37:40about durability concerns.

37:42Obviously there's, you got to figure out where you're going to play him.

37:44I think most people assume he's going to be a corner in the NFL because one, I think if

37:49you are concerned about his size corner, you're not nearly as concerned as you are.

37:53If he's a wide receiver, you're not going to be taking as many hits.

37:55If anything, you're delivering the hits.

37:56And he does play with an aggressive style at corner.

37:58Like he doesn't play like he's 180, 185 or whatever.

38:01He gets after it.

38:02Also like that forced fumble he had in that one game on the goal line was awesome.

38:05But I mean, he's such a playmaker dude, like athlete in terms of like what he can do on

38:10a football field.

38:10Maybe he's going to run like a low four, four.

38:13I don't know if he's a four, three kind of guy, but he is an incredible football player

38:18and the kind of guy that you want on your team.

38:20If the durability is not a concern and the Patriots aren't worried about it and they

38:23say, Hey, we're going to get you in here, put another 10, 15 pounds on you.

38:26Kind of like what we know with DeMario Douglas, he put on a lot of weight before he got to

38:29the team.

38:29If you can do that, you're talking about Christian Gonzalez and Travis Hunter, two guys who you

38:35can have, you won't be paying both at the same time until about 20, 29, maybe 20, 28.

38:40If you sign a new, an extension early Travis Hunter.

38:42And those are two guys who are going to be under 25 and potential all pro slash pro bowl

38:48players every single year.

38:50I'm all about building up the trenches.

38:52Like that's where I'd like them to invest a lot of their money.

38:54Like Mason Graham, if you can get him, she like, yes, please.

38:58But at the same time, man, it'd be really hard to pass up what would be truly a lockdown

39:02cornerback duo.

39:03So that's why I'm saying I'm warming up.

39:05And then on offense, like he's not like Marcus Jones where he didn't really play receiver

39:08in college.

39:09He was more of a gadget guy.

39:10Travis Hunter, is he going to be running like whip routes and all that stuff?

39:14No, but he can run a hitch, a go and a slant.

39:17Those are three of the most important routes in football.

39:19You can do that at a high level.

39:21I'm all about it.

39:22So I think he could be more than a Marcus Jones where it's not just like a few badges

39:26appearances.

39:26It's like, no, he'll line up outside and he'll actually run and you need to respect him.

39:30So maybe like five of those plays a game or something like that.

39:33Because if you think about like Marcus Jones, he's a punt returner.

39:36So that's another like five, six plus reps that he has.

39:40Plus now the offensive stuff.

39:41So if you can maybe take the role that Marcus Jones has or that kind of snap share and translate

39:46into a package of Travis Hunter in the red zone, critical situations, what have you.

39:50You're getting me excited.

39:52I'm really trying to think about it and be fair.

39:54I think it'd be crazy to only have him play on one side of the ball, especially if you

39:58do have him play corner because you're running a lot.

40:00But if you're a good athlete, you should be okay.

40:02It's more like the, and he clearly has the stamina to play a ton of football.

40:05Like he has the last two or three seasons, right?

40:08And like, is it, do I want him doing that after his rookie deal?

40:11Maybe not.

40:11Like I'm not saying it's necessarily sustainable for an entire career.

40:14An NFL season is much different.

40:16It's longer.

40:17You have training camp.

40:19An NFL season from training camp going all the way to, if you make the playoffs, especially

40:24is like two college football seasons.

40:26Like you, you cannot survive.

40:28I don't care who you are.

40:29You're not surviving playing both sides of the ball consistently.

40:32But if it's like, you know, in certain game plans again, packages I'm cool with, but yeah,

40:35I I'm definitely warming up on Travis Hunter.

40:38And like anytime we bring it up, I feel so bad bringing up the durability

40:41because I love everything else.

40:42So yeah, I, I definitely more, uh, okay.

40:45With the, uh, yeah, the, and the idea of him being more like a rot, a rotational

40:50receiver plus kind of thing, like not just Marcus Jones, but like, I look at how much

40:54Drake made loves his tight end.

40:56So get another tight end to develop behind.

40:58Obviously you have Jaheim Bell, but behind Hunter and Hooper and run a ton of 12.

41:03And then when you do run 11, he can be like your third wide receiver.

41:07And I know he's, he can play on the outside, but I'm saying like, when you go three wide

41:10receiver, you can have him go out there as well and kind of be like your third gadget

41:14rotational piece there, where it's more than just market Jones two plays a game, but it's

41:18like you said, a red zone package.

41:20It's okay.

41:20It's third down and we freaking need another weapon out here.

41:23I don't care.

41:24Everyone can know we're going to go to Travis.

41:26And if you cover the shit out of him, then it's just going to open up somebody else.

41:29And here we go.

41:29So his ability, um, it's, it's exciting.

41:33And I think that if they play it right, uh, which again, you can only hope that the front

41:38office and the, uh, and the coding staff can, I think it's very intriguing.

41:41So if they do lend the third pick and QBs go one and two, we'll certainly see what happens.

41:45But man, is he an exciting player to watch?

41:47Just won the, uh, what's the award.

41:49I just, I just wrote about it today.

41:51Um, he won the, uh, Paul Horning, basically, basically the freak of the year award.

41:57It's the, uh, the most versatile player in college football award where Marcus Jones

42:00won that.

42:01Yeah, he did.

42:02Marcus Jones won it a couple of years ago.

42:04Um, Jack Coletto, who was like a fullback slash linebacker for, uh, Oregon state, I

42:09think won it last year, but other guys like McCaffrey drill peppers won it when he was,

42:13uh, with Michigan.

42:14So like, it's, it's that, that versatile guy and he's a freak.

42:17He basically won the freak award.

42:18So, uh, all right now back to the draft.

42:21And I like this question.

42:22Um, can you see the Patriots being aggressive and trading back into the first?

42:26Like the Texans did when they got Stroud and CJ Anderson at two and three.

42:30Now the Texans, when they did this, they had pick two and then they had pick like 12.

42:38So they were able to use 12 and change to get up to three.

42:40So it'll be tough for the Patriots to be that aggressive because they just don't have the

42:44capital, but if they do trade out of three to five or six, if someone wants a quarterback

42:52or something, then you have capital to get back into like the middle or back half of

42:57the first round.

42:57And you can double dip in a situation like this.

42:59Now you can also use that capital to develop a bunch of other players, but I do see them

43:04potentially if they like another guy last year, they wanted to get into the backend

43:08and got burned and weren't able to go that, that receiver.

43:10So now yeah, right now, whether they extend themselves even further and offer more, now

43:16they'll have the capital to do that.

43:18Or you find a different team that will actually make a trade with you and go from there.

43:21So I do definitely think it's possible.

43:22I don't know if it's two front half of the first round guys, but they could definitely

43:26go do this.

43:27Yeah.

43:28If they love the guy, I'm about it.

43:30Like the first round is where you're getting potential instant starters.

43:33Now, obviously, they tried to go and get a Tyler Guyton.

43:37I think it was reported.

43:37Tyler Guyton, Xavier Leguette, and Keon Coleman were the names that we heard about that they

43:41were trying to get back into the first round for.

43:43I'm cool with it.

43:44If you have extra capital to spend, you can get more draft picks.

43:47You can figure that kind of stuff out.

43:49But if you have extra first rounders to deal, hell yeah, man, if you really like a player,

43:53because you're on Drake May's rookie deal, you want to maximize this window as best as

43:58possible once, especially with young contracts.

44:02So yeah, there's only so much I can say because I don't really know the prospects.

44:06It's not like I can say, yeah, go in and get that guy.

44:08But absolutely, if they have the extra picks to use, I would be very down for that.

44:11Yeah.

44:11All right.

44:12Let's take a couple of quarterback questions before we get out of here.

44:15The first one, I wanted to ask it.

44:17I don't like the idea, but it's interesting.

44:20What are your thoughts on sitting Drake May down the stretch here, giving Joe Milton a

44:24look and increasing his trade value?

44:26No, no, no.

44:27That's what preseason's for.

44:28No, that's all I got.

44:29No.

44:29I agree.

44:30It makes no sense.

44:31You are trying to convince teams that they need to come here.

44:34If you put in Joe Milton, you look so unserious.

44:37Absolutely not.

44:38Absolutely not.

44:39This isn't like a veteran with a major health concern.

44:42We're talking about a rookie who you already didn't play until after the first month.

44:47Drake May protection already happened.

44:49Right.

44:50Yeah.

44:50No, respectfully, absolutely not.

44:52I'm with you.

44:52You can't do it.

44:53There's no question that he needs, not that he needs the reps, but it's good for him to

44:57see more NFL football heading into next season.

45:00They've relatively cleaned up the offensive line enough to where it's not a complete nightmare

45:06for him being back there.

45:07Right.

45:07And so that was the only concern.

45:09I don't think you should, you can't protect him and save him from getting injured at this

45:12point in the season.

45:13And we talked about tanking or lack thereof on yesterday's show.

45:17If they do this, that's tanking.

45:19That looks so bad.

45:20That's how you lose the locker room is sitting Drake May here down the stretch.

45:23Joe Milton may be great, but like you said, I like how you said it that way.

45:26That's what the preseason's for.

45:27Jacoby reset when he was first here, he was able to be traded a because of his preseason

45:32tape.

45:33But he also got in for those couple of games when Jimmy went down as well, but guys can

45:38up their trade value in preseason.

45:39I think that's what they, you know, that's, that's Joe Milton season.

45:42I don't know how much of a rush you are necessarily to get rid of Joe Milton.

45:46I know he's got the arm.

45:47He's got the athleticism where if he had to step in, he's not Drake may, but he could

45:51probably replicate a lot of what Drake may does.

45:53And even if you bring in a veteran, unless you really like the guy, you know, I, I, I,

45:57not that I, if someone wants to offer you like a third round pick or even like a fourth

46:01or something like that for Joe Milton next year, you have to think about it.

46:04Yeah.

46:04But I wouldn't necessarily be in a rush to get rid of the guy.

46:06If he's growing in your system, he's talented.

46:09You know, you just want to have some kind of insurance behind Drake, especially when

46:12you are relying on that playmaking ability.

46:14All right.

46:14We'll parlay that into this to close out the mailbag.

46:17Then who is the Patriots backup quarterback next year?

46:20Oh, I think.

46:24I do wonder if Jacoby Brissett would come back if he didn't get offers from other teams.

46:29Now depth at quarterback is so important.

46:31I think the Patriots would tell him next year, you would not be our main backup.

46:34They probably would try to transition towards a Joe Milton type.

46:39But yeah, I think it really just depends on what kind of offers Jacoby Brissett has, or

46:43it's like, how many teams is he really going to play for?

46:46Like he could be another bridge guy if he wants, but does he really want to do that

46:50again?

46:50Right.

46:50If the Patriots pay him well as a backup, like they have all this money.

46:53If they just want to be like Jacoby, we will pay you.

46:55And I also don't know how much Patriots are going to value him to be honest, because obviously

46:59you're hoping next year they had more talent where he maybe can get back to the kind of

47:03Jacoby Brissett we saw before he got to the Patriots, but didn't play very well for you.

47:09The whole reason you brought him in was to be a mentor.

47:11You don't need a mentor next season.

47:13So I do question how much they value him, whether he would want to come back or go somewhere

47:17where he has a better chance to start.

47:18So I'm going to go with Joe Milton.

47:20I feel like that's the safest choice.

47:22Yeah, I'm with you.

47:22Well, you know what?

47:24I do think Milton's probably the safest choice, but just to pump up Brissett's ties a little

47:28bit here.

47:29Yeah.

47:30The question says that he couldn't win games, but first of all, he did win two games for

47:35them.

47:35He won two out of their three games as the Jets game was, he didn't start, but he came

47:39in and won it.

47:39And then he won that first game in Cincinnati.

47:41Secondly, I think he's a great leader.

47:44He's still a captain.

47:45People have talked, you know, highly of him in the room.

47:49I don't think Drake May necessarily needs him anymore.

47:53I think that the transition was what the idea of the transition where you have him to lean

47:58on a pros pro type of guy.

48:00I think that's kind of over, but Drake May has never done a year or two.

48:06He's never hit a, you know, a year too low, right.

48:09And Jacoby Brissett may have.

48:10So someone like that can kind of guide him through that.

48:13Now, Alex, my pal TC McCartney can as well.

48:15And they've done a great job with that development here.

48:18So I, you're right.

48:21As far as the money, I think it would be a solid investment to have a guy like him to

48:24be a backup a, to, to help out the Roman B, to have someone who can win game, go in there

48:29and know the system, et cetera.

48:30I just don't know how realistic it is.

48:32You mentioned going elsewhere to be a bridge guy.

48:33He could probably make more than he would in new England and he could play football.

48:38I look at Jamis Winston, who was I want to say they're around the same age because they

48:42were drafted around the same year, 2014, 15 like Winston was bridge slash backup material

48:50for the last three or four years in new Orleans and then into Cleveland.

48:53And then Deshaun Watson goes down, Winston goes in, starts playing pretty well in Cleveland.

48:57And he's going to get paid a decent amount of money.

49:00I would think next year to be a backup elsewhere or even another bridge starter once again,

49:04or he could be Cleveland starter next year.

49:06If Brissette has those types of aspirations and wants to go and try and do that somewhere else,

49:10I think he should.

49:11I think he's, he deserves it.

49:12So we'll see what happens there, but I think he would be a good fit.

49:15Should they, should they be able to mend the fence there?

49:18All right.

49:18That's going to do it for our week 15.

49:20We didn't even answer any Cardinals questions.

49:22I know we have a couple more, but we got, I got a hair.

49:24I want to see if we didn't really even have any Cardinal center questions.

49:27So we'll be back tomorrow with our Cardinals preview on Patriots daily.

49:32So make sure to tune in for that.

49:34Thank you for tuning in.

49:36We will be down in Foxborough tomorrow as well.

49:37Two more practice for the Patriots before they head to Arizona for their week 15 matchup

49:42to keep this thing rolling for more games left.

49:44Taylor, thank you for joining me.

49:47And I think that's it until next time.

49:49Take care of yourselves and take care of each other and we will see you next time.

49:52Peace out everyone.

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