Greg Bedard and Nick Cattles preview Sunday's Patriots matchup against the Miami Dolphins, as Drake Maye will look to lead New England to their first defeat of Tua Tagovailoa. Is Miami a particularly bad matchup for the Patriots to deal with? Tune in as Greg and Nick break down all of the underlying storylines to watch.
0:00 - Dolphins Patriots preview
2:14 - Marcus Jones offense
5:54 - Wide receivers issues
7:44 - Offseason priorities
9:36 - Rookie performance expectations
12:27 - Draft class evaluation
14:30 - Coaching concerns discussed
16:14 - Need for easy plays
18:01 - Demarcus Covington's impact
20:40 - Demarcus Covington's coaching
22:18 - Busted coverages in Red Zone
24:03 - TC McCartney's coaching potential
26:12 - Simplified McDaniel's approach
30:01 - Tua's play extension analogy
36:46 - Patriots offensive line
38:24 - Dolphins blitz strategy
41:00 - Dolphins vs Patriots picks
44:20 - Patriots running strategy
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00:00This is the Gregg Bedard Patriots podcast with Nick Cavins.
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00:28All right, Greg, before we get the Dolphins Patriots, Alex Van Peltz met with the media
00:32today and he had something very interesting to say.
00:36Van Peltz told the media that he had no idea that Marcus Jones had played offense before.
00:44What was your reaction when you saw that?
00:48Basically this, my hand on my face, like seriously, this is the, this is the gang that can't shoot
00:55straight.
00:57Oh my God.
00:59Like really?
01:01I mean, I don't even know where to start.
01:05I mean, you know, Gerard Mayo is the head coach of this team.
01:09He's been around.
01:10He's seen Marcus Jones play offense.
01:14Never one time mentioned, especially, okay, I can see maybe in the off season or, you
01:18know, when they're getting ready for the season, like they just want to worry about, they got
01:22a rookie quarterback, they got a new scheme.
01:24They're just worried about that.
01:25But you know, I don't know, three, four or five games in the season when the offense
01:29like stunk the join up and they're looking for any way to create explosive plays and
01:34do anything on offense.
01:35Like Gerard doesn't say something like, Hey, you know, you may want to try Marcus Jones,
01:41you know, reverse or run or something like that.
01:44Like he's, he's been pretty good.
01:46I mean, yeah, he's playing a lot on defense and he, and he does punt returns, but you
01:50know, we might be able to do a couple of plays a game for him.
01:52You should check that out.
01:54Why don't you go watch his film from last year or, you know, I, I guess it must've been
01:59a couple of years ago.
02:00I, cause I'm trying to think, you know, cause he was hurt most of last year.
02:04Wasn't he?
02:05Yeah.
02:06Yeah.
02:07Yeah.
02:08So it would have been two years ago when he played some on offense or what have you.
02:11So I can see why AVP didn't notice it.
02:14He probably just watched the previous year's film.
02:16I mean, why go two years back on a lot of these guys with what's gone on with this offense
02:21and people coming in and out.
02:22So he probably just looked back at last year and it never came up, but I mean, this is,
02:26this is something else that I just put on the head coach and just be like, you know,
02:31what are we doing here?
02:32Seriously?
02:33Like, let's, let's, let's be on top of things.
02:36Yeah.
02:37He only played two games last year, started one.
02:39So, you know, not a lot of time you go back to his rookie season, he played in 15 games.
02:44That's when he was getting some offensive snaps.
02:46You know, I look at it not only at AVP, but also as you said, Greg, the rest of the staff,
02:50it's not just Mayo, but you have several coaches that were on the staff last year and
02:55nobody brought this up.
02:56Nobody brought this to Van Pelt's attention.
02:59And I also want to say this.
03:00I think it was Zoe.
03:02I'm not sure, but I think it was Zoe on Patriots all access that asked Mayo about utilizing
03:08Marcus Jones on offense.
03:11This was either last week's episode or two weeks ago.
03:14And Mayo's response was, well, you know, he's a defensive player.
03:18And so I, I just find it interesting that a week or two ago, Mayo's asked about Marcus
03:23Jones playing offense and he brushes it aside saying, well, you know, he's a cornerback,
03:28he's a defender and a punt returner.
03:30And then a week or two later, he's out there getting offensive snaps.
03:33Even if it were only, you know, two snaps, two snaps is two more than he had the entire
03:38year.
03:39So, you know, is this a situation again of, of Mayo, I don't know, throwing stuff up against
03:46the wall, not having a clear plan as to how to utilize players in certain spots.
03:51It's just all strange.
03:53Van Pelt also spoke about the interception from Drake May last week against LA.
03:58There's been a lot of back and forth about whose fault this was.
04:01Was it maze?
04:02Was it pops?
04:03Well, Van Pelt said today, Greg, that may made the right read on the pick.
04:09So certainly sounds like the offensive coordinator is putting that on pop Douglas more than he
04:14is the rookie quarterback.
04:15Yeah, it's, it sounds like it.
04:18I also, um, you know, he, he did say something about like he would, if he, if he looked,
04:24he might've had a chance to catch the ball.
04:27Um, uh, you know, I still, I, he didn't say it was a good throw.
04:33I still think the throw would have been problematic at the end of it.
04:36Like Drake was, uh, sort of got off balance.
04:39His feet were really narrow.
04:41He was throwing off of like one foot and the, he kind of sprayed the ball.
04:45Um, but the only thing I'll add to that is look, if pop was wrong, then Hunter Henry
04:51and Cation booty were wrong too, because they were all, they all had their head down, um,
04:56well after may release the ball.
04:58So to me, that's, that's a coaching point.
05:02Um, I think at this point I would put it on coaching that they, you know, weren't quite
05:08dialed in and ready for that situation on, you know, hopefully they corrected in practice
05:12this week, just so annoyed with, and we'll get into the rookies in a minute, what van
05:17Pelt had to say about the rookies, but I really am annoyed, frustrated by the fact that wide
05:23receivers seemingly, uh, you know, have so many mistakes on the field over the last few
05:30years at that position.
05:32And you just, we talked about Troy Brown and, you know, well, maybe Troy Brown, wasn't a
05:36great coach.
05:38They move on from Brown.
05:39He's hiding in an undisclosed area at Gillette stadium during the week.
05:43I don't even know what the hell he's doing.
05:45He's getting a paycheck from the crafts.
05:47I know that, but you move on from Troy, then you bring Hughes in.
05:52Doesn't seem like Hughes is doing a good job, but can we get a wide receivers coach in the
05:56building that knows his ass from his elbow?
05:58Can we try to do that once in a decade?
06:01I know.
06:02You, you know, you sort of look back to, you know, Mac Jones's rookie year.
06:07And um, you know, of course I was getting into it with some people on Twitter about
06:11this because God forbid you mentioned Mac Jones was, it was highly efficient at times
06:16during his rookie year, especially in the first half of the season.
06:19Um, but just, you know, sort of the job that coaching, uh, coaching staff did, especially
06:24offensively.
06:25Um, you know, I think it was Mick Lombardi was the wide receivers coach at the time.
06:30And really the weapons aren't all that different or I wouldn't say that the 20, uh, what would
06:34that have been?
06:352020 weapons were all that much better.
06:37I mean, yeah, they spent money, but you know, like I've said before, Kendrick Bourne basically
06:41needed his handheld, um, through Saturday to get him through Sunday.
06:46Um, we all know about Johnnie Smith's issues here.
06:50Nelson Aguilar was part of that.
06:53Um, yeah, I think, I think, um, yeah, I would like it.
06:59Just in my experience covering the league, Nick, the guys that I thought did the best
07:04job were sort of well traveled, older wide receivers coaches like, um, you know, there
07:14was a guy, I think his name was Jerry Sullivan.
07:16Those guys I covered, they all seem to be the same.
07:18They were sort of like in their late sixties, but these guys were hard asses.
07:23They were taskmasters.
07:24I mean, you know, the, the Packers did a great job of developing, I think it was Jimmy Robbins
07:30was the wide receivers coach and, and, um, you know, the, the Packers did a great job
07:35of developing, uh, wide receivers in that system.
07:38And I think it, I think it starts with the coach.
07:40I think you're absolutely right.
07:41I think that's gotta be one of the priorities this off season.
07:45Here's a name for you, Chad O'Shea.
07:50I don't know if he's going to be, you know, somewhere else go somewhere else.
07:54Maybe if Brian Flores gets a head coaching gig, he goes with Flores.
07:59Uh, he is the, uh, wide receivers coach and pass game coordinator for the Cleveland Browns
08:02right now.
08:03And, uh, Cleveland's not doing well last time I checked.
08:06So Stefanski, I would say is on the hot seat.
08:11He could easily be popped if Stefanski is popped, Chad O'Shea is without a job.
08:16He worked in Cleveland, uh, for the last few years.
08:19So he obviously has worked with Van Pelt.
08:21He was with Van Pelt when Van Pelt was in Cleveland.
08:25Uh, obviously, you know, he, he has some experience in new England.
08:29He was the wide receivers coach here from oh nine to 2018.
08:32So I just wonder if O'Shea could possibly be a fit knowing the Cleveland offense working
08:38in the Cleveland passing game.
08:40A lot of those, you know, things that they do in Cleveland is what Van Pelt wants to
08:45do.
08:46It would seem like a pretty good marriage.
08:49We'll see if it comes together.
08:50All right.
08:51Uh, rookies, offensive rookies.
08:53Van Pelt said that all offensive rookies will be good players.
08:56He said, quote, they have to roll.
08:58Uh, they're not rookies anymore.
09:01When you look at this rookie class, Greg, I mean, you got obviously Jalen Polk, everybody's
09:05talking about, but Javon Baker, uh, he made a brief appearance as a kick returner last
09:10week before Mayo benched him.
09:12Uh, Jaheim Bell, there was a lot of talk about Jaheim Bell getting better at practice, uh,
09:17leading into the game last weekend.
09:20Of course he got an opportunity.
09:21He dropped the football, uh, probably cost the Patriots at least three points.
09:26So when you just look at this overall, these offensive rookies, is there anything that
09:31tells us we should expect differently from them over the final six or seven games here?
09:38Not really.
09:39I mean, but I will say, I mean, because look, uh, I mean, I think Polk's going to continue
09:45to get action the way, uh, Van Pelt talk today.
09:49Um, even though to me, he looked utterly lost in the last game and sort of needs a reset.
09:56Um, I don't think Wallace is ever going to play.
09:58I don't think he's going to, uh, unless there's an injury, uh, unless he supplants the Monterey
10:03Jacobs, which, you know, I don't really see happening, but who knows?
10:07Maybe he does.
10:08Leighton Robinson.
10:09I don't see him playing.
10:10I mean, with Cole Strange coming back at some point, um, you know, I don't really see him
10:16playing.
10:17Uh, they even talked about, um, taking a look at Cole Strange at, you know, not only left
10:22guard and center, but also right guard as he comes back.
10:25Javon Baker, um, you know, I think this is a red shirt year for him.
10:31Um, he's been getting on the field, but I don't really think, I mean, I guess there's
10:35a chance.
10:36I don't think Wallace dial has done a good job on special teams, but they don't need
10:39them in the secondary Joe Milton.
10:41We know we're not going to see him.
10:42And Jaheim Bell.
10:43I think he's going to continue to get reps.
10:45He could do better.
10:47But what I was going to say was I don't, especially about the offensive rookies, I don't disagree
10:52with Van Pelt.
10:53Um, I know everyone wants instant gratification and they expect X, Y, and Z out of rookies.
10:59And we've talked about it.
11:00I think it's, I think, um, every year people forget that like they're, they're brainwashed.
11:07They forget that like rookies, most of them take, take some time to develop into at least
11:12their second season.
11:13But every year they want to, they want to play fantasy football with the drafts or no,
11:17we're going to draft this guy.
11:18We're going to plug him in and he's going to be great and like, but it rarely ever happens
11:22that way.
11:23You know, we all know about Drake May, Drake May.
11:25I think Jalen Polk is certainly an NFL receiver.
11:29He's not showing it this year.
11:31They have to address the problem in the off season.
11:33I fully expect next year that we're going to talk about the May and Polk, uh, connection
11:39at some point.
11:40Um, Caden Wallace, my opinion, I mean, we don't have a whole lot of data on him with
11:45his injury issues as a rookie, but to me he's at least a backup swing tackle type and that's
11:54fine.
11:55You need, and that's a third round pick.
11:56That's okay.
11:57Laden Robinson to me looks like a starting guard.
12:00He's had his issues this year as a rookie, but I think he's a starter.
12:04Um, Javon Baker, you know, we'll see again, not my favorite draft pick.
12:09Um, Milton, I think will be an NFL quarterback at some point with development and Jaheim
12:15Bell.
12:16I think he's, I think he's got a chance to be like a, one of those move tight ends down
12:20the line, but he is a seventh round pick.
12:22So you know, you're expecting that to pay off down the line.
12:26So I don't disagree with Alex Van Pelt.
12:28That's why I'm not like just ripping Elliot Wolfe for the draft.
12:32I don't expect instant gratification.
12:34And I see traits that these guys can play in this league and that's what they need after.
12:38I mean, we just looked at the, what was it, the 2022 draft and how many guys are left
12:43here.
12:45I feel much better about the chances of this draft cat class being here and being contributors
12:50in year three than what we got out of 2022 22 was brutal.
12:56The Jalen Polk stuff is, it's just fascinating to me because I watched him in Washington.
13:02I was there at camp, uh, for at least six or seven of the, of the camp practices, uh,
13:08in the preseason, he made a couple of plays.
13:11The player that I saw at camp was a guy who had great hands, uh, made plays on the ball
13:16every once in a while down the field seemed to have some decent chemistry, especially
13:20with Drake.
13:22Uh, and then all of a sudden it's just like, he's, his focus is just completely off.
13:28Uh, you know, when you look at the issues with him, it's, it's drops, it's penalties.
13:33It's the, these things that, you know, it seems like his focus isn't there.
13:38And I didn't read a single word about Jalen Polk's focus being a problem at Washington.
13:44And when Jalen Polk was drafted, everybody agreed that where he was drafted was pretty
13:48much where he should have gone somewhere in the early to mid second round.
13:52It wasn't like, oh my God, what are they doing?
13:54It wasn't like a Nikhil Harry, like, oh, well, this guy's game might not translate in the
13:59NFL.
14:00It wasn't a Taekwon Thornton pick where it was like, that guy probably should have been
14:03drafted two rounds later.
14:05What the hell are they doing?
14:07And it just seems like a focus thing with him.
14:09I don't know what's going on, Greg, with Jalen Polk.
14:11I don't know if there's a personal thing going on.
14:14I don't know if, you know, he just lost his confidence early in the year and he can, I
14:20have no clue what's up, but I can tell you the guy that people are watching it.
14:24And this is what makes it difficult because I understand people cannot go to a lot of
14:31training camp practices, right?
14:33Like they just, they have their jobs, they have their kids, they have their lives.
14:37You might be able to squeeze in one or two.
14:40And so you go off of what people are talking about and writing about.
14:44And so it's really difficult.
14:45I understand it's really difficult for people to watch Jalen Polk, what he's done this regular
14:49season where he's, he's looked like a bust through 11 weeks.
14:53It's really difficult for those people to believe in what we're saying, but I'm telling
14:58you, I watch this guy at Washington.
15:00He was a completely different receiver and I understand it's not going to be the same
15:04thing in the NFL, but that hands and focus were not the issues with Jalen Polk.
15:09The questions were, could he consistently separate, right?
15:12Was, was one of the questions, was he athletic enough and all of that stuff.
15:17And if you watched him at camp, you didn't have any inclination that, that this kind
15:22of season would happen with him.
15:23I thought, Hey, he might get 40, 50 catches and 500 yards this year.
15:28And you know, here we are.
15:29I don't know what's going on.
15:30I don't know if you've heard anything, but to me, just, just something is up with him.
15:35And I don't know if it's just my confidence is shot because I got off to a bad start or
15:40if there's something at more, uh, something more at play here, Greg, or, or it might be
15:43a coaching issue, but I kind of lean towards the first two things.
15:47Yeah, there, I, I haven't heard anything.
15:50There certainly could be something going on with him personally that, that also that always
15:56could be the case.
15:58Um, you just never know.
15:59I mean, to me, um, I think it's a, it's a combination of him not fitting the scheme
16:07as well as he did in Washington and he's not getting good enough coaching.
16:11All right.
16:12Yeah.
16:13I want to clarify.
16:14I'm not saying it's anything personal.
16:16I'm not, I'm saying when a player loses focus, there's a reason for it.
16:20Sometimes it could be personal.
16:21Sometimes it's just coaching.
16:23Sometimes like Greg said, he might not be the greatest fit with what they're trying
16:26to do right now.
16:27It's also obvious.
16:28I would say one more thing about poke before we move on.
16:32He's playing a lot in the 12 personnel.
16:35If you look at his snaps, he's playing a lot with the two tight ends, which tells me
16:38that the coaches feel like he's one of their best blocking wide receivers.
16:42Cause when you go 12 personnel, you're going to run the football.
16:45So I also wonder like, you know, it might, it might be time, Greg.
16:52I said this on my personal podcast, the Nick cattle show.
16:55I'll get that plug in there Monday, Wednesday, Friday on YouTube.
16:59But I have been surprised that they haven't schemed a couple of easy ones for him just
17:04to try to get him going like on Sunday, I don't know about you, but on Sunday, uh, you
17:09know, if it's 12 personnel or it's 11 person, whatever they're doing, whatever he's, whenever
17:13he's out there, I don't know, man, get them the football once or twice early and try to
17:18get them to feel good.
17:19Even if it's like a bubble screen or a tunnel screen to try to get them going, I am surprised
17:24that they haven't.
17:25And I know people might be like, oh, that's force feeding or kind of, you know, you know,
17:29giving them a little pat on the head.
17:31I don't care.
17:32It's your second round pick.
17:33Like, I mean, I think they've done that the last couple of weeks.
17:36Well, certainly that the, uh, the, the, the touchdown that they gave them, that was basically
17:40like here, Jalen, here you go.
17:44Feel good.
17:47They did that.
17:48Yes.
17:49In that game.
17:50But I'd still like to see a couple of passes during a football game, uh, that, you know,
17:53between the twenties to try to, to try to get them going a little bit.
17:56I don't know.
17:57Um, just, just two more quick things, Greg, before we get to the game.
18:00So DeMarcus Covington, we know he's coming off of one of the worst games that he's had
18:05as a DC.
18:06Uh, he was named in that annual hiring cycle list for head coaches.
18:11Do you think Covington's year as DC has impacted in a negative way, his chance to get a head
18:17coaching job in the next year or so?
18:19Wow.
18:20I don't think it's helped.
18:21Um, you know, I, you know, I do, um, I've always been high on DeMarcus.
18:27Um, I thought he did excellent work at, at defensive line.
18:31Now, Albert Brewer did bring up, um, something interesting.
18:34I forget where he said it, um, but I hadn't really realized it.
18:40And I thought about it and I was like, ah, Bert's right.
18:42Um, it's not often that you see a guy jump from defensive line coach to being defensive
18:47coordinator and play call norm, uh, play caller.
18:51Normally those guys have a little bit more experience in the back end, or at least, you
18:56know, they go from defensive line to linebackers to secondary or, you know, something along
19:01those lines, um, which sort of makes you question like, does he, does he understand like, you
19:10know, some of the choices that he's making and how that, how that, uh, how that affects
19:15the secondary and the ability to cover and, you know, is he going to have a good grasp
19:19of marrying pressure and coverage?
19:22Any interesting questions to, to, to talk about.
19:25And by the way, related to that, I was watching dates, JT of Sullivan broke down Matthew
19:29Stafford against the Patriots on his, on his YouTube channel, not on his Patrion.
19:36So it's out there for anybody to go watch, but especially the Cooper cup cup touchdown.
19:40Sorry.
19:41I don't know why I'm dying about Matthew Stafford's performance.
19:46Yeah.
19:47He basically was like, he, I know he, he quote unquote said like, this is LOL defense.
19:53Like, he's like, you know, they had, they had three over two and how they did it.
19:58Like, you know, no one passed off copy.
20:00He was wide.
20:01I mean, it's not, you won't get an easier touchdown.
20:03He was just like, oh my God, this is epically bad defense and, and, uh, just guy, just go
20:08watch the rest of it.
20:09Cause that wasn't the only time he was sort of laughing at the Patriots.
20:12And he didn't even, he didn't even put the one like later in the game.
20:15I think it was the, the, the, the, their last drive where Cooper cup was in the slot
20:21and they brought talkie talkie and a blitz from left inside linebacker expected Jelani
20:27to buy to cover Cooper cup in the slot, right inside linebacker.
20:31I mean, he was wide open, he didn't even break that play down.
20:37But anyways, uh, you know, I think DeMarcus is a good coach and is going to be a good
20:44coach.
20:46A lot of those lists have to do with agents and relationships and stuff like that.
20:50Um, yeah, he's nowhere near ready to be a head coach in this league.
20:54He might get interviews, um, you know, probably affiliated with the Rooney rule and things
20:59like that.
21:00I mean, that's just sort of the way, uh, things go, but you know, I do think if he, if he
21:06does the right things and has longevity and proves as a defensive coordinator, which I
21:10I think he will, because I do, I do think he's really good.
21:13Um, in time he'll be a serious, uh, candidate for being a defensive coordinator, but right
21:21now, based on what we've seen this year, hell no.
21:26Well we know that coaches pay attention to texts because that's how van Pelt found out
21:29Marcus Jones wanted to play offense and could play offense.
21:32So maybe you should try to text, I don't know if you have Covington's number, but try to
21:36text him some adjustments, Greg, that you've seen on film, maybe, maybe he'll take it seriously.
21:41I mean, you know, if, if AVP didn't know about Marcus Jones, then, you know, who knows what
21:46the Marcus Covington hasn't been told?
21:49I will say I tweeted out at Nixie radio, uh, during the game on Sunday, I am sick and tired
21:54of the busted coverages inside the red zone.
21:57There's been four or five of those like guys not knowing who to pass, you know, who to
22:01pass who off to.
22:03I think Marcus Jones himself has had two busted coverages in the red.
22:07It's like you get in the red zone.
22:08It's supposed to help the passing defense.
22:10Things get condensed.
22:11You're supposed to like, you're, uh, too many busted coverages in the red zone.
22:16Too many Greg.
22:17Um, all right, you know what I was going to ask you about TC McCartney, but let's hold
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24:02TC McCartney.
24:04Uh, he was listed in that, in that story that Tom Palacero does.
24:07I think it's Palacero and, and McCartney was listed as a NFL
24:11coaches to watch in future years.
24:13Maybe you haven't heard anything or much about TC McCartney, but I'm going to ask
24:17you, have you heard anything about TC and his, his reputation and maybe
24:20what's been going on this year?
24:22No.
24:24All right then.
24:26Yeah.
24:26I mean, um, nobody heard of TC McCartney, but this is the kind of stuff that you
24:30get with a rookie quarterback.
24:32If a rookie quarterback pops, especially early, people are going to look at the
24:36OC probably pass on Val Van Pelt.
24:39Uh, and then they're going to look at the quarterback's coach and be
24:42like, Ooh, who's this TC McCartney.
24:44He's also, um, you know, he is, he, uh, I forget how it works.
24:50He's the, he's the son, the son, grandson, grandson of the former
24:56Colorado head coach.
24:57Um, so it's in his blood.
25:00His dad was a quarterback at CU.
25:02Um, so certainly an interesting candidate.
25:05Uh, but again, um, early for a lot of these guys.
25:09I mean, they barely unpacked their bags here yet.
25:11Can we hold, hold the phone on them being head coaching candidates?
25:16All right.
25:16Um, not much.
25:18They are also three and eight.
25:22They are.
25:23It's a, it's true.
25:24It's true.
25:25All right.
25:25Let's get to, uh, let's get to this three and eight team
25:28against the dolphins this weekend.
25:29Let's start with the dolphins offense versus the Patriots defense.
25:33Greg, uh, your thoughts on, on Miami, what they try to do and
25:37what the Patriots have to do.
25:40Yeah, I'm, um, I'm worried about this one, Nick.
25:45Yeah.
25:45I mean, look, we saw the issues that the Patriots had last week with the Rams
25:50who, you know, similar scheme.
25:53We all know Mike McDaniel comes from, um, Sean McVay.
25:56Uh, I would say Mike McDaniel is Sean McVay's on steroids as far as how much
26:03scheme and motion, the pace that they play and also just the way it's teams built.
26:08I mean, if the Patriots had that much, that many issues with a, let's call
26:13it a more simplified version of what McDaniel does with less wouldn't like
26:18no speed out there now you're going up against the dolphins that's souped up
26:22with even more speed at like, I mean, I would, I would equate Kyron
26:26Williams with their running backs.
26:27I mean, even though a chain, uh, to me is, I mean, he's a lot bigger, all those guys.
26:32They're big, they're fast.
26:34They get them involved in the passing game.
26:36Uh, you got Tyreek Hill, you got waddle.
26:38Um, they're even getting something out of Johnny Smith.
26:41Um, even though I think that's a little bit overrated, I saw, you know, yeah,
26:46they ended up like this final score against the Raiders looked good, but it
26:50was a close game, the entire game.
26:51And it didn't really get busted open until Johnny Smith was left wide open.
26:56Oh man.
26:58That was one of the most delicious busted coverages I've ever seen.
27:01Nobody was within 30 yards of Johnny.
27:03He's literally just, he's just running down the field.
27:06I'm still surprised that he, he caught the pass.
27:09I mean, Mr.
27:10I, I gotta go back and look at it, see if his techniques change, but I'm sure it
27:13didn't, you know, cause I always equated him to like, he was like a, he was like
27:17one of those guys who catches fish at Pike's place market in Seattle.
27:21Like every time he caught a ball, he'd stop his feet.
27:24He'd be like, you know, it was like he was trying to catch a fish.
27:27Um, that's the way it looked just not a natural ball catcher.
27:31Um, you know, but you know, let's, uh, this look, this scheme is cooking now.
27:38They, over the last four games, they are first and offensive EPA.
27:42Uh, they are first and past DV, uh, EPA 15th and run.
27:48Um, you know, they don't turn, they've turned the ball over three
27:52times over those four games.
27:55Um, interesting though.
27:57I was interested in this, you know, big plays, you're quite the dolphins
28:01with big plays, even though I do think a lot of teams just play them back.
28:04A lot of team, they see a lot of zone, a lot of cover too.
28:07And, you know, to a basically throws, like I would say he's, he's an expert
28:12at throwing over the middle, about 10 yards or less, like seven to 10 yards.
28:17That's sort of his bread basket and also checking it down to the flats.
28:21He does that all the time.
28:22Um, so, you know, Miami has 53 big plays over the last four games.
28:28New England has 51, uh, Miami, Miami has nine, 20, 20 plus past
28:34place seven, um, for new England.
28:38Um, the dolphins, I think it's because of how fast they play and how to, uh,
28:43how fast it gets rid of the ball.
28:45But they, over the last four games, they are second in the least amount of
28:49offense, offensive pressure allowed 21.2%.
28:53I don't love their off their, their offensive line, but it's
28:57effective with this group.
28:59Um, he schemes around it.
29:01Um, which is possible people like we were talking about early on in the season
29:06with the Patriots, um, line struggles.
29:08The big key to me is, and I don't have a whole lot of confidence that the
29:14Patriots can do this, especially after what we saw against the Rams, you
29:18have to get two off his first read.
29:20Yeah.
29:21That's what he wants to do.
29:22You have to find a way to do it.
29:24It goes through, I mean, these guys are in the division.
29:27You should know them.
29:28You should have studied them in the off season.
29:30You should have a really good plan, certainly better than the Rams who
29:33you only see once every four years.
29:35So I could somewhat understand that.
29:37Uh, but you got to take his first read away and that's when
29:40you can get pressure on him.
29:41That's when he starts turning the ball over and taking sacks.
29:44So that's a big key in this game.
29:47I'm not sure if anybody will understand my analogy or my comparison, but I'm
29:52going to do it anyway, because that's how I roll folks, uh, I will explain it.
29:55So hang with me here for a second.
29:58So to, uh, he he's been able to extend plays from time to time, right?
30:04He was able to extend plays a couple of weeks ago against the Rams
30:07defense and it worked out for him.
30:10He did it once or twice against Vegas in that game, but he's like
30:15a Julius Randall of the NBA.
30:17We're like, you have some guys where like they'll take threes and they'll
30:22make their first couple threes, but you're not worried about it.
30:25Like you want them to keep taking threes because inevitably water will find its
30:29level and they'll end up bricking the next five threes, which opens the door for you.
30:35I feel the same way about Tua when it comes to extending plays
30:38and holding onto the football.
30:40He might be able to make a play or two extending, but the more he does that
30:45or tries to do that, the better it is for your defense, because when Tua holds
30:50onto the ball and he's kind of running around, he's, you just feel a mistake
30:56coming that's when errors hit.
30:58So I agree with you, Greg, you don't want to, uh, to be able to get rid of
31:04the football as quickly as he does.
31:05I mean, Miami is the fastest team in the NFL when it comes to time to throw 2.52
31:10seconds.
31:11I mean, as soon as it hits his hands, he wants it out.
31:14The more that you keep him in the pocket, the more that you, you have him guessing
31:19and looking at his second read, even his third read, the much better you're going
31:23to be, uh, a chance, a problem, a chance, a problem on the ground, a chance, a
31:27problem in the passing game.
31:29Greg mentioned motion.
31:30And it's not just motion with the wide receivers.
31:33McDaniel will motion everybody.
31:34I mean, the running backs will motion.
31:37Jonu Smith will motion.
31:39Jonu will motion at the snap.
31:41He had a touchdown last weekend because he motioned at the snap and got open.
31:44You're going to see a lot of that late motion.
31:47And as we saw last weekend, Patriots defense stunk against motion with the Rams.
31:52So they've got to be able to, uh, turn this thing over rather
31:56quickly and get it going.
31:58All right.
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32:46Pat's offense, dolphins defense, Drake may coming off, uh, his, his great game
32:52against LA has his best game in the NFL.
32:56Uh, how does Drake main company stack up against this Miami D
33:01not bad if they can get protection and if they can run a little bit, um, that's
33:08going to be a little bit of an issue.
33:10The dolphins defense over the last four games, 21st in total defeat, defensive
33:16EPA, 26 against the pass 12th against the run.
33:23Um, I think that, uh, they don't get a whole lot of pressure.
33:27Miami, uh, their dolphins D is 30 and pressure rate over the last four games.
33:32The Patriots are 18th.
33:33Of course, probably almost all of that was against the bears.
33:36So that skews that a little bit.
33:38Um, I think there'll be opportunities for them.
33:41I mean, I do like a lot of the players on the dolphins.
33:45Um, I, you know, Javon Holland at safety is, is really good.
33:50Uh, Poyer, you know, he's a vet, he's older.
33:53He's a little slower.
33:54I don't like them at the line.
33:56Vegas went at Poyer last week a couple of times.
33:58They, they moved, they moved Bowers and I'm sure we'll get
34:02into this with the tight ends.
34:03But they moved Bowers a couple of times to, to, you know, to pull Poyer over to
34:08him and, and Bowers just ate his lunch.
34:11Uh, and look, Brock Bowers was also one of the best players in the draft last year.
34:15It's not like, uh, you know, arrow Brown with all due respect is chewing up Poyer.
34:19But I do think, you know, Poyer's lost a step over the last year or two.
34:23Yeah.
34:24And I do think that they're like a little bit aggressive and you do see that with a
34:27guy like Poyer at his age, like, you know, we all, we all slow down a little bit and
34:31we gotta, you know, we gotta jump the gun, uh, a little bit.
34:34And I thought there were some opportunities over the head of the
34:37safeties that the, that Vegas couldn't really get to at times.
34:41Um, but you know, I think, uh, I'm, I'm worried about, so I think they'll have
34:46the ability to make plays down the field and, uh, you know, Jalen Ramsey is still,
34:50you know, really good.
34:51I like who, who, uh, uh, the slot safety, uh, slot cornerback.
34:57I know, uh, we might get storm duck again at cornerback, uh, all name team, but you
35:05know, this, this, what's, what's better.
35:08What's the better part of that name?
35:09The storm or the duck.
35:13I think duck, I was going to go with storm, which means that it really is one of the
35:18greatest names of all time anyway.
35:19Yeah.
35:19It's, it's, it's awesome.
35:21Um, but their, their defensive line of, you know, Ogba, you know, he's all right,
35:28but Siler inside Calais, Campbell, man, that guy just never stops.
35:33He's still one of the best players in the league.
35:35That's a guy, the Patriots should have signed him in the off season.
35:38I don't even know how much he signed for it.
35:39It couldn't have been that much.
35:41And he might not have come to, uh, new England, but like, that's a guy, that's
35:45the type of guy that they need going forward to sort of solidify the defensive
35:49line and the interior defensive line.
35:51Um, and chop Robinson, the rookie has done a really good job.
35:57They don't get a whole lot of pressure, but he's, um, one of the
36:00guys over the last four games.
36:03He's averaging four and a half pressures a game.
36:06Zach Siler, who's criminally underrated.
36:09A great player is averaging three per game.
36:12Clay is Campbell is at one and a half.
36:14Um, so, you know, chop Robinson is a guy who's coming into his own.
36:20They're going to have to account for him on third down.
36:23He, he lines up on both sides of the line against the tackle.
36:27So, you know, it's hard to get a beat on what he's going to do, but, um, you
36:32know, Jordan Brooks, also the linebacker brings a lot of, uh, pressure on blitzes.
36:36So, um, there's to me, the battle for the Patriots offense, whether they're
36:42going to be able to do anything and Drake may can sort of get in a shootout
36:46with the dolphins is going to, it's going to depend on, you know, can they
36:50block things up or are they going to have issues with that?
36:55Clay is Campbell is third in the entire NFL and defensive
36:59tackle pass rush win rate.
37:00He's like 45 years old.
37:02Uh, sealer is 14th in defensive tackle pass rush win rate.
37:07So you got two guys on the inside that have shown that they can get to the
37:11quarterback consistently, the interior of the Patriots offensive line, best
37:16have a good day on Sunday, uh, chop Robinson.
37:18When you look at that statistic, Greg, that analytic is 10th in edge pass
37:23rush win rate, which is one spot below Jared verse, the guy we talked about
37:26last week for the Rams, we sung his praises.
37:29Chop was a beast against Vegas.
37:31I mean, he, he, he was winning his rush.
37:36It felt like every other snap of the football when it, when it came to
37:39So, uh, chop is, is picking up the NFL.
37:43Now, one of the questions that I have though, I'm wanting to ask you if, if
37:49you are, was it Anthony Weaver?
37:50Is that the DC name?
37:52Yeah.
37:52Um, if you're Anthony, so when you look back, Greg, at week five, what's
37:57interesting is Miami doesn't blitz a lot.
37:59They're 19th and blitz rate.
38:01They blitz about a quarter of the time.
38:04Last week, they were 22nd in the league in blitz rate.
38:08They were under 17% against Minshew and Vegas.
38:12But when you look back at when the dolphins played the Patriots week five,
38:17they had the 10th highest blitz rate in the league that week at over 32%.
38:23So my question to you is, this is a team that doesn't like to blitz.
38:27They didn't blitz hardly at all last week against Minshew, but now
38:31you've got may instead of Brissette.
38:32If you're a Weaver, what's your plan?
38:35Are you bringing the heat to Drake may?
38:37Are you blitzing him or are you doing what you do, which is not blitz a ton.
38:41You know, hope that your defensive line gets home and
38:44play a lot of zone coverage.
38:48Um, I, well, I mean, look, I think you can, you could blitz Jacobi more
38:53because you knew where he was going to be and he wasn't really going to beat
38:56you with his legs, even though he's going to try and, and fail, especially
38:59after week one, um, you know, I think they, they better have a really
39:04good plan against May's legs.
39:05Um, you know, you would think that they might play a little bit
39:09more man coverage, um, in this game.
39:12But if you do that, you have to have a spy, um, on may.
39:15I mean, if I were the dolphins, what I would do is, cause I'm not afraid of
39:19the Patriots in any way, shape or form in terms of, um, them, you
39:23know, winning down the field.
39:25Uh, I'm manning everybody up and I'm putting a spy on may all the time.
39:28And one thing I wanted to mention about Robinson, as you were talking
39:31about, it reminded me, um, that dude has closing speed, like that.
39:37That's rare.
39:38Like, I mean, as soon as he gets on the edge, like when he's closing, like
39:41he all of a sudden goes, you know, five feet and like in a fraction of a second,
39:46he's all of a sudden like, so that, uh, that'll be interesting to watch to see.
39:52How may deals with that?
39:54Cause that's kind of one of those things as a young quarterback that you're just
39:58you, you don't realize how good these guys are.
40:01And sometimes you're falling back on what you did at UNC and in college.
40:05Like, you know, if you try to, if you try to evade chop Robinson,
40:10uh, that could be a big loss.
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40:44This week's pick.
40:45I am five and six against the spread.
40:47Greg is three, six, and two against the spread.
40:50I am five and six straight up.
40:53Uh, Greg is six and five straight up.
40:55So here's what this week's matchup looks like.
40:58The dolphins are favored by seven and a half down in Miami.
41:01So they're minus seven and a half.
41:03And Greg, the over under number is 46.
41:07Give us your pick big guy.
41:08So, you know, in a vacuum, I would probably, I would probably take the
41:14dolphins, um, and the points, especially because it's Miami and it's new England
41:19just for some reason cannot play there.
41:21And by the way, that, that place, it must be a South Florida thing, but that
41:26place in Tampa are two of the stadiums where I don't know, weird shit just
41:31happens, like it just, it just does.
41:34Like, it's just, I don't know what's the way it's situated or like, you
41:37know, to, in relation to the sun or whatever, but every time I go down
41:41there, like, uh, I feel like off kilter, um, at the game and plus they have the
41:47worst press box, um, in the league location and I will actually be at
41:52Sunday's game, so not looking forward to that, but it is what it is.
41:55Um, I do think that there could be a possible look ahead factor.
42:01Um, for the dolphins in this, you know, they have, they have at
42:05green Bay on Thanksgiving night.
42:07So they have a, um, short week coming up.
42:11Um, and this is one of those teams that sort of, uh, feels themselves if they
42:16have a little bit of success, but, and I do think that Drake may is going to
42:22have a pretty good game against the dolphins.
42:24I think he'll do all right.
42:26But at the end of the day, if, if the Patriots couldn't do better
42:29against the Rams last week, um, I'm, I'm not picking them, um, this week.
42:35I think they're going to have even more trouble with this speed.
42:38And I think that the Patriots at this point in time are just, you know,
42:42they're secondaries pretty fast, but overall they're a pretty slow defense.
42:47They're a pretty slow team.
42:49And I think Miami is going to make them look really, really slow in this game.
42:54So I'm going to go, uh, dolphins, 30 Patriots, 20.
43:04All right.
43:05Uh, I am going to go Miami 27, new England 23.
43:09Uh, I think Miami will score 27 to 30.
43:12I agree with you, Greg.
43:14I do think they're going to be opportunities for Drake may on Sunday.
43:18Uh, if you watch the Vegas game and I know you did, I did you watch that
43:22Vegas game and there were some things with that Vegas offense, the Patriots
43:27do, uh, and, and had some success against that Miami defense, the
43:31tight ends I brought up Brock Bowers.
43:34You know, I could see the Patriots moving Austin Hooper around Hunter Henry
43:37around a little bit and trying to get those guys matched up with some of their
43:41linebackers and employer who I mentioned earlier, I think the tight ends could
43:45have some success against this defense.
43:47Um, and here's what I would say.
43:51Alex van Pelt needs to run the football because when you go back to their week
43:55five matchup, Patriots averaged almost eight yards a carry, uh, but van Pelt
44:01only called 18 runs for Stevenson and Gibson.
44:05And I remember after that game, I lost my mind and I was screaming and
44:11ranting and raving, trying to figure out why you only called 18 runs when you
44:15were averaging almost eight yards, a carry run the football early and often
44:20keep it away from Miami forced to, uh, to take his time in the pocket.
44:24And I think you have a chance to keep this close and keep
44:26it within the seven and a half.
44:27So I'll go, uh, Miami 27, new England 20.
44:32I take the seven and a half and, uh, I would, I would go over
44:35that 46 and a half as well.
44:37All right, that'll do it.
44:38We'll see what happens on a Sunday.
44:40And by the way, did you notice, did you notice one thing?
44:42Everybody out there that's, uh, Greg Bedard doesn't go on a lot of road
44:46trips, but he just so happened to be able to squeeze a road trip
44:50to Miami in late November.
44:52This guy, he's got it figured out.
44:54He wouldn't send me to, you know, London.
44:56I couldn't go to any of these fancy, but my man was ready when he saw
45:01that, when he saw that, you know, schedule, he's got friends down in Miami.
45:05Don't don't forget.
45:06But darts of my was, was a Miami fan.
45:09He's, he's got, he's got friends down there.
45:10He saw, Oh, a trip down to Miami late November, right before Thanksgiving.
45:15Looks like a fantastic time to maybe, uh, go on that trip.
45:19My Miami dolphins, number one, they're on the ground.
45:24They're all.
45:24Um, so no, but I will say the only reason I'm going on this
45:29trip is number one, it was cheap.
45:31Number two, it's one that I love these trips where, so I'm flying
45:35down very late on Saturday night.
45:38Get up, go to the game.
45:40I'm on a flight back after the game, nine 30 takeoff.
45:44So it's only one night.
45:46Uh, and like, I really, I really liked that.
45:50I hate the getting up at like 5 00 AM on Monday mornings after Sunday game.
45:55That's just brutal, but this, these trips have turned in really good, really easy.
45:59I'll be there less than 24 hours, baby.
46:02I'm going to do the, uh, Will Ferrell anchorman.
46:04Jeff, I don't believe you.
46:05So there you have it.
46:06Everybody enjoy the weekend of football.
46:08Be well, uh, we'll talk to you early next week to react to this game.
46:29yeah.