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Mike Giardi and Will Parkinson break down the Week 8 NFL slate of games, including a big-time win by the Patriots over the Jets. They also discuss the epic hail mary throw that won the game for the Washington Commanders, and a great showdown between the Ravens and the Browns.  0:00 - Intro 2:30 - Special teams issues 5:17 - Rodgers' performance struggles 7:58 - Denver game disaster 10:01 - Team's adversity struggles 15:33 - Jets' game struggles 19:10 - Drake Maye's performance 22:23 - Patriots' old school approach 24:40 - Bengals need to rebuild 27:18 - Eagles' strong identity 29:02 - Young Eagles' defense 31:00 - Colts' quarterback situation 32:39 - Ravens' defensive struggles 34:10 - Browns' coaching concerns 36:04 - Lamar's support narrative 39:01 - Baker's impressive performance 41:17 - Arthur Blank's urgency 42:57 - Bills' dominant win 46:46 - Disappointing loss 52:10 - Stevenson's rough week 54:24 - Playoff picture discussion   ************************************************ Patriots Content Brought to you by....  Prize Picks - https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/CLNS Download the app today and use Code CLNS at PrizePicks.com/CLNS & Get $50 instantly when you play $5!   Gametime - https://gametime.co Take the guesswork out of buying NFL tickets with Gametime. Download the Gametime app, create an account, and use code CLNS for $20 off your first purchase. Download Gametime today. Terms apply. What time is it? Gametime!  Merch Store - https://shop.clnsmedia.com  Social Media!!!!  Patriots Twitter- https://twitter.com/patriotsclns  Patriots Instagram-  https://www.instagram.com/patriotsclns/  Facebook- https://facebook.com/clnsmedia  LinkedIn- https://www.linkedin.com/company/clnsmedia/about/  Tik Tok - https://www.tiktok.com/@clnsmedia *********************************************************  ABOUT PATRIOTS COVERAGE ON CLNS:   Welcome to the CLNS Media Network’s YouTube channel for New England Patriots  football.  CLNS Media is the leading online provider of audio/video coverage for the 6X Super Bowl Champions.  Get complete inside access to the New England Patriots at Gillette Stadium in Foxboro and everywhere on the road. CLNS Patriots credentialed insiders Greg Bedard, Andrew Callahan, Tayler Kyles, John Zannis, Alex Barth and Mike Kadlick provide instantaneous news and analysis all in real time, as well as full access to complete videos from the players, coaches, ownership and everyone else inside Patriots Place.  If you enjoy CLNS’ Celtics  All Access and are craving more Boston sports content, you head over to CLNS’ Patriots  Press Pass at   https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqX7G3pEDTseNxtoDU27PEg?sub_confirmations=1   __________________________________________________________________________  For Celtics Content:    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmp3kivpOg3lzoJC7yV7VjQ?sub_confirmations=1   https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmp3kivpOg3lzoJC7yV7VjQ?sub_confirmations=1

Transcript

00:00It is caught! Touchdown!

00:04The New England Patriots select Drake May.

00:08He's got the ball! And that's the ballgame!

00:12What a week eight it was.

00:16Happy days for some. Depressing for others.

00:20Welcome to the All 32 Pod. Mike Giardi alongside

00:24Will Parkinson as always. A reminder, this show brought to you by PrizePix, the exclusive

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00:36that you want to see. Will, we're going to jump right into it. Patriots-Jets.

00:40In my backyard yesterday. Huge game for the Jets based on how

00:44they've been playing. Lost four in a row after beating the Patriots on that, what now

00:48seems like eons ago, that Thursday night game in Jersey. Patriots

00:52of course had lost six straight. Coach calls them soft, tries to walk it back.

00:56End of the day, Patriots win 25-22. And while there's

01:00plenty to talk about with the Patriots, I think the obvious starting point here is the Jets.

01:04As you and I were texting during the game,

01:08I know mathematically it's still possible, but it sure feels like that team is

01:12dead where they stand. Yeah, look, I think

01:16in terms of trades and what could happen in the future,

01:20Thursday is the biggest indication. If they beat Houston, you can talk yourself and it will be five and six to

01:24five. We lost to the Patriots, but we beat Houston, so we're kind of net even.

01:28Whatever. We'll talk about that when we get to it. We'll record it on Thursday

01:32and we'll preview that game. But from all intents and purposes,

01:36it's felt like every single week

01:40between kicking special teams in general for the Jets, Brent Boyer, who's been the special

01:44teams coach for three regimes now, which is pretty much you've never seen

01:48in the NFL. Mike Westos, one of the only guys I've seen survive like that

01:52coaching staff to coaching staff. He's probably the best ever.

01:56Brent Boyer is not the best ever. He's a good football coach and that's

02:00great. The Jets special teams have been a huge issue this year.

02:04I believe over the last three to four years, every year DVOA,

02:08top five defense, top five specials, and the worst or second worst

02:12offense. That's the whole thing building this thing was load up on the

02:16offense. They just got a status quo. Even if they drop off a little bit,

02:20they'll be all right. We'll get to the offense in a moment, but

02:24I think the biggest issue for me yesterday was two things happened.

02:28As much as Drake May was doing well against the Patriots and against the Jets, I am not

02:32taking anything away from him at all. It felt like the second he went out, the Jets just stopped

02:36playing defense. I feel like it was

02:40their point of adversity yesterday. I felt like when he went out, was it

02:4413-7 if I'm not mistaken? He didn't come back out for that next

02:48drive. I'm looking at, I'm getting texts from you and

02:52a lot of our colleagues in the media and my brothers and

02:56everyone saying, hey, this game's over. Drake May's out. They should blow him out. I'm thinking

03:00yeah, they should, but in the back of my head, I'm like, this is a team that handles

03:04adversity worse than anybody probably in the league. It felt like the defense

03:08majority of the time stopped trying. Not actually stopped trying. I'm not

03:12implying they quit. I just want to make sure that doesn't, but my point

03:16being, he was like, oh, we don't have to be as locked in as we probably just were. It felt like the

03:20offense was like, oh, we'll just coast. We kind of figured it out here and two touchdown

03:24drives in a row and we've moved the ball all four drives. We're good.

03:28The Jets have the worst kicker in the NFL this year.

03:32Greg Zierlein's a really good player and that's all great. He's 9-15

03:36as well as missed, I believe, two or three extra points in seven weeks

03:40or eight weeks. Six missed field goals, multiple extra points.

03:44The Jets have a lot of issues. If they had a kicker, they'd probably be

03:485-3 or 6-2 right now.

03:52The NFL and Patriots fans will know this better than anybody. Belichick used to talk about this all the time.

03:5690% of the NFL is not losing football games. That's how we used to beat the Jets

04:00every time. Devin McCourty told a famous story on my podcast about him

04:04playing Zach Wilson in 2022. Mike, you were at that game. The Jets were 6-2.

04:08If I'm not mistaken, they're 5-2. The Patriots, 3-4

04:12or somewhere in that range. Zach Wilson's not playing terrible football.

04:16The Jets are rolling. Finally, the Patriots have

04:20Brady. They have a much better team. Bill told them

04:24all week, do not lose this game.

04:28Do not make mistakes. Make our kicks.

04:32Don't turn the football over. Stay at your assignment and

04:36you will turn them over. The Jets will beat themselves. That's what they did yesterday.

04:40The Patriots tried damn hard to beat themselves. The Jets missing kicks.

04:44The play clock stuff was a disaster because Rodgers needs everything to be perfect

04:48right now because he can't move and he needs to see everything. He doesn't want to get hit.

04:52He's audibling and waving downing off.

04:56There's so much to unpack from this game because I felt like

05:00there's a building moment there a little bit for New England. This was such an encapsulation

05:04of all the things that have gone wrong for the Jets over the last 15 years.

05:08It's all mixed into one game. The Patriots are now

05:12in second place in the division or whatever it is at this point.

05:16It's bananas. The Rodgers question, we talked about it leading up to the game

05:20in our preview pod about some of the stats coming into the game

05:24indicate that he's playing the worst football of his career.

05:28What I saw in person was a guy who

05:32is 40 who looked like he was 60.

05:36He's struggling to move and look, no quarterback wants to take contact

05:40but he really didn't want to take any contact yesterday. The quarterback that the

05:44Patriots got beat by in week three, that wasn't the same guy

05:48that you saw Sunday at Gillette Stadium.

05:52Just pretty much stuck in the pocket. Even Patriot defenders

05:56talking about afterwards, man,

06:00he ain't right. It's Devon Gottschall basically saying

06:04330 pounds if I can chase him down. It's kind of sad

06:08to see but I wonder part of this too

06:12the Patriots had an approach for him yesterday.

06:16They went back and watched film from previous meetings with Aaron and they said

06:20look, he loves to find the matchup that he can exploit and that clearly was Garrett

06:24Wilson versus Marcus Jones and he exploited

06:28it pretty well. 100 plus yards receiving, whatever, touch, all those things.

06:32However, when they were showing the film to the guys

06:36they were like, but sometimes he'll pass up the stuff underneath

06:40because he's so beholden to this one matchup that he won't take the easier

06:44throws, the open throws and kind of going through the tape

06:48today, there are plenty of throws that he left out.

06:52Devon could have had 200 yards yesterday. That first half was like, dude,

06:56he's open every time and Gonzalez is a great player and I'm not taking anything away

07:00from him. He was sticky yesterday. The play he had down, I thought the play he had on third

07:04down that eventually led to the missed field goal was the play of the game. I thought that

07:08in the punt return yesterday were the two plays. If the Jets make either of those plays, New England doesn't.

07:12This is a borderline of two touchdown win easily.

07:16But because the Jets don't go in and capitalize there, I don't know if that was at 16-14

07:20or if it was at 17

07:24at that point. I don't remember. I think maybe 17-14 the Jets missed

07:28or whatever it was. Gonzalez makes a great play, but Devonta

07:32was open all day long and Aaron wasn't throwing it

07:36or he was missing them. He feels so off and I don't feel

07:40like he's playing confident right now at all. I think, again,

07:44there's a lot of things that you could look back on with this Jets team and with Rodgers in particular,

07:48but the way Rodgers left that week three game was the best he's looked in

07:52since he won the MVP in 2021, I believe.

07:56He gets destroyed in the Denver game.

08:00I don't know. That game was a sloppy mess. They go over to London and he takes

08:04that shot. I referenced it last week.

08:08That shot, I almost think you look back, it's Hindsight 2020. Their season ended

08:12right there because he couldn't move anymore. Once he couldn't move,

08:16it eliminates so much of what he's good at.

08:20They're easy to game plan for. It's torpedoed.

08:24He's not playing confident football, which means the rest of the guys, you're feeding off this guy that you've been

08:28told for now 18 months, right?

08:32He's the only thing you need. If you just do what you were doing now and he comes in

08:36and when he's not, it's just an unfair, even to

08:40ask Tom in his prime or whoever, you're asking a lot of anybody, let alone a guy

08:44who's playing on a pretty clearly

08:48injured hamstring, which is, I think, the biggest reason why he can't move is because he thinks that

08:52feels like if he moves too much, it's going to pop. I don't blame him.

08:56I don't know. I didn't mean to cut you off there. I'm watching back to him. Devontae's open.

09:00Garrett's open. Conklin had whatever he wanted yesterday. He only gave him three targets, which

09:04made no sense, especially with no peppers, especially with no Duggar.

09:08He beat, again, two games. He's got, what, eight for 150, a touchdown

09:12or two against him. Why did they go to him three times? Brees had whatever he wanted.

09:16For them to only have 22 points there and then let Jacoby carve him up and sauce

09:20this year is frustrating.

09:24I don't know how much you've felt this, but Kishan

09:28Butte, who is not good, and then on top of that had like 12

09:32drops in this game after calling out he was prime Randy Moss.

09:36That route, I think that I

09:40could have probably T-stepped a little better than sauce. I don't know what sauce was doing.

09:44It was an encapsulation of an absolute mess yesterday. Credit to New England, though.

09:48They obviously took advantage. You talked about in the beginning

09:52when I first posed you the game about the

09:56adversity and this team dealing with adversity worse than any team in the league.

10:00This is no big, huge 30,000

10:04foot question. How do they address that? Because the roster

10:08is what it is. You went out and traded

10:12for Devontae Adams. They did. They went in on

10:16Aaron Smith, which was the right thing to do at the time. They had to upgrade their offensive line.

10:20Morgan Moses, on and on it goes. They built this team for now

10:24because the quarterback has to be for now.

10:28But if you're having come-to-Jesus moments with the guy

10:32you just acquired six, seven days ago and Devontae Adams giving the post-game

10:36speech, and then you go into New England and lose to a team

10:40that was 1-6, had lost six in a row, and was just getting curb-stomped

10:44everywhere they went, I can't imagine what

10:48that locker room is like right now.

10:52The term was darkness, right? Days of darkness.

10:56They're in the darkness, man. I don't know if they know where the light switch is.

11:00I think that guys are

11:04in a very, very, very

11:08turning point. Yesterday probably was.

11:12The issue is that yesterday shouldn't have to be the turning point.

11:16There's three different times the season should have turned.

11:20We talked about the same thing, right before Buffalo, right before Pittsburgh, right before New England,

11:24even before the Minnesota game. I think the one thing, and I know

11:28we're spending a lot of time on Jets here, but a couple of things

11:32that I wanted to get your opinion on, and one of which is

11:36what they do with trading guys off or not. Again, we'll talk about that more after Thursday

11:40but wait at that point. Jugg Douglas is a lame duck GM. He's going to be fired

11:44either soon or after the year relieved of his contract. They're going to have to overhaul

11:48everything. I don't know

11:52what they do with some of these guys because, yeah, you probably do

11:56trade a Mike Williams. Even if you win, I don't know, Mike Williams should probably move anyways.

12:00DJ Reed, I think if you lose on Thursday, you probably move on because

12:04the contending team, it's a pro-ball level corner you could get. He has

12:08not a lot of money left on that deal, obviously, expiring. Does someone kick the tires

12:12on Tyron Smith with very little money remaining that has an injury? If you're the Bucs

12:16or the Browns, if the Browns figure it out, win two in a row here.

12:20They're just using examples of teams with tackle problems. Do they kick the tires?

12:24The Jets are going to want to get a look at Olu. The kind of questions from

12:28here on the Jets are, how do you handle the second-tier starter

12:32veterans? A Tyler Conklin, a Jamie Sherwood,

12:36and a Morgan Moses, all who are average or above-level starters that

12:40are not going to get paid massive amounts of money. At some point, in my opinion,

12:44you keep those guys and you try to extend them because as you go into a rebuild,

12:48you do need players. A first-year GM, first-year coach is going to try to get that first-year

12:52hey, we won eight games and we were supposed to win four

12:56and that just bought me three. The Giants example.

13:00You want to win nine or ten games that year first year because it buys you time.

13:04The other question is, Mike, who's taking this job?

13:08I talked a little bit about it. I tweeted about it. Yeah, it's not going to happen.

13:12But just for argument's sake, Pete Carroll comes in and he's like, hey, I don't want to coach

13:16any more of that Bill Parcells model of let me oversee everything

13:20and kind of correct a lot of your infrastructure problems. Mike Vrabel

13:24makes all the sense in the world for the Jets, but is Mike Vrabel going to take that job? I have no idea.

13:28And GM search, it's anybody's guess. I threw out Ray Agnew because he's been

13:32with the Rams and Lions and kind of done, reestablished the culture and then

13:36I don't know. Is there anyone that comes to mind for you that you're like

13:40Ulbrich's not going to be back realistically. Zvio Drogos isn't either.

13:44Where do you see this kind of going even though it's insane we're talking about this on October 20th?

13:48Yeah, not expected.

13:52Vrabel makes sense in a lot of ways because

13:56I think they're desperate for a program culture guy and he did help

14:00build a program in Tennessee. And yes, it went bad at the very end

14:04as the roster sort of disintegrated and he couldn't keep

14:08it together anymore. And that could be as much about John Robinson

14:12and then first year GM ran Carthon is now in year two

14:16and Carthon ends up winning the quote unquote, the power struggle. Although it wasn't

14:20a massive power struggle, just sort of a differing of opinions there. And Amy

14:24Strunk wanted to go, the owner wanted to go with Carthon because he was embracing this whole

14:28collaborative thing. I don't know that the Jets need a collaborative

14:32thing. I think the Jets need someone who is in control

14:36period, end of story. And the Adam Gases and the Robert

14:40Salas with their backgrounds

14:44are the hot young assistant coach or whatever. No, I think they need someone who's been there

14:48done that and is about to do it again. And you have that resume already

14:52and for all that happened poorly in Tennessee

14:56at the end, Mike had the ton of respect

15:00from the players in the locker room. They played hard for him right until the very end because they saw

15:04a number of times where we don't have it.

15:08We're not the better team. We got guys on the injury report. We know our roster's not that great.

15:12And somehow, some way, you're beating Kansas City or you're

15:16taking Kansas City into overtime. There's all these examples the last couple of years

15:20where that team had no business being in games and by

15:24excellent coaching, putting guys in positions where they could be successful and limiting

15:28their weaknesses, that they were able to stay in those games or win those games.

15:32And to me, that's sort of

15:36the Jets lose games all the time that they shouldn't lose.

15:40Somehow, some way, they need to reverse that. And I feel like he would

15:44be an ideal candidate from the building perspective

15:48and from the culture perspective and just from the

15:52he's a hard ass. Even though, as I said, the players love them,

15:56there were rules in place. You had to take care of your business.

16:00My question for him is, A,

16:04if Rodgers is back, does he want that? Does he want his first year to be Rodgers'

16:08likely his last year and on all that goes with being

16:12Aaron's coach and having to sort of, in some ways, turn the offense over to him?

16:16And then, the Middie aspect of it. And not that

16:20Mike is bad at Middie. He's actually, he can be really, he can be excellent,

16:24but he's also feisty. He's combative. And I've said in many

16:28a press conference where he just got disgusted by the question,

16:32would cut pressure short or just destroy

16:36the question. To his credit,

16:40sometimes in the same press conference or sometimes the very next or generally

16:44the very next day, that same person could ask a question and he would answer it.

16:48And sometimes he would even say, hey, I was in a bad way yesterday.

16:52Lost a game. Couldn't get it out of my head.

16:56Was just angry. I don't know if that flies in New York.

17:00Just the amount of attention. I mean, we're talking to Tennessee.

17:04They are the only thing in town, really, for all intents and purposes.

17:08And yet, the media contingent's not huge.

17:12It's massive in New York. Everything he does gets magnified.

17:16The one thing, I'm going to move on, obviously, here. The one thing I would say is

17:20I almost think the Jets need that because so much

17:24of, if you look at the New York landscape right now, pretty much every team

17:28sports team outside of the Jets and Giants is quite good right now.

17:32Robert Sala was great with the media.

17:36Very, very cozy, very cozy with the media.

17:40I don't guess whether he let you know it or not. Very, very cozy

17:44and cushy with the media. I look at Tom Thibodeau

17:48who's kind of rebel-ish in a lot of ways of really overachieving

17:52some of their parts. Maybe it's not a great example, but

17:56Tibbs came in and was like, enough. I don't care about the media.

18:00I don't care about anything else. I care about, we are going to play 82 games

18:04as hard as possible and whatever happens, happens. And yeah, not

18:08everyone's a huge fan of Tibbs' style and all these different things, but

18:12he's a horrible person for their New York culture, right? He's like a

18:16six-foot, 260-pound fat dude walking on the sidelines and yelling at people

18:20and calling them a mother effer every two seconds. I almost maybe think

18:24the Jets need that. That's the whole Pete Carroll thing. Do they bring in a guy

18:28who's in his 70s but still obviously wants to be around ball?

18:32Can he come in and be like, hey, we're going to invest in analytics? The Jets have four people in their analytics department,

18:36two of whom are not even full-time. They're interns.

18:40Someone tweeted out yesterday, the Jets have 40-plus people in social media

18:44and ticketing, and they have 14 people in their scouting department

18:48or whatever it was. It was like, how is that even possible?

18:52The one thing I wanted to touch on last time in this game,

18:56Drake May looked really good. It was very small sample size.

19:00He did a lot of things yesterday that you just have not seen Patriots quarterbacks

19:04do, and I don't know how severe the concussion is or not, but I think

19:08if you're a Patriots fan, you should feel...

19:12It's been three games, two-and-a-half, two-and-a-quarter. I think they have a franchise quarterback.

19:16I'd feel much better if I was a Patriots fan this morning than if I was a Dolphins fan.

19:20I just would. I'm 100% with you on the way

19:24Drake played. I'm not going to go franchise quarterback

19:28yet. I mean, look. He's showing all the signs.

19:32Yes, he's showing all the signs. The throw he made to Tyquan Thornton

19:36had the pocket 30 yards down the field.

19:40Oh, the contact came a little bit early. It did. The defensive back got there a split

19:44second early. The ball still hits you in the freaking chest.

19:48That's a dime. That's a beautiful throw.

19:52His instincts... And look, the instincts end up

19:56in part getting him the injury because he takes off and runs for 18 yards,

20:00slid late. People are debating whether it was a dirty hit.

20:04I don't think the intention was to be dirty. It should have been flagged, obviously, because it's helmet-to-helmet.

20:08But whatever. I don't think it was a dirty play.

20:12But the scramble for the 17-yard touchdown, same thing. He just saw it open up. You're going to play man

20:16against me? You're going to turn your back on me? He's fast, man. He's not a slow player.

20:20No, no. He is

20:24a really good athlete, and you're seeing that. I'll give them credit, though,

20:28the Patriots in general. Clearly, this game was a lot

20:32about the Jets, too, and we just detailed that for the last 17-18 minutes.

20:36But the coach called them soft, tried to walk it back. They had

20:40all kinds of noise with the receivers this past week. Receivers generally played like crap

20:44yesterday. I think five drops. Just an absolute

20:48mess. But they didn't turtle

20:52with Brissett. The crowd was uneasy. They ran five of the first six times. Brissett

20:56was in there on the first two series, kind of like resetting the process.

21:00The second half was a disaster, by the way. I'll just be honest.

21:04The punt return to spark things in the third quarter, give you the short field,

21:08get the touchdown. Then all of a sudden, there was energy back in the building again.

21:12They're like, hey, we could beat the Jets. Not just for the players, I think, but for the

21:16fan base. The fan base hates the Jets.

21:20There really was a good bit of life in the stadium yesterday

21:24for the first time in a long time. I actually thought there was more life in the stadium for this game than there was

21:28for the Braves' debut against the Texans.

21:32Credit to them for not turtling. I think they answered

21:36not definitively about the soft thing, because

21:40they still couldn't run the football. There's all this talk afterwards about how body blows, body blows.

21:44Dude, get out of here. 25 carries for 54 yards from your running backs.

21:48Let's relax. That's an impotent offense.

21:52As someone pointed out today, if you take away the quarterback scrambles, and Jacobi

21:56had a big one as well on the game-winning drive,

22:0018-yard scramble for May, 17-yard scramble for the touchdown. Bursette had a 14-yard scramble.

22:04You had 190 yards of total offense.

22:08Not knocking it. You showed toughness.

22:12You played hard. You needed a win. We talked about it last week.

22:16If you won 3-2, it didn't matter. You just needed a win to change the vibe.

22:20They changed the vibe. They feel good about themselves, but they're still a long way from being a good football team.

22:24They've got to stack this now. They've got an opportunity. Tennessee this weekend.

22:28Tennessee is an abject disaster right now.

22:32I had to fire Mike Rabel, though.

22:36Rabel is probably smoking a cigar somewhere, laughing a little bit.

22:40Again, you chose Ran over me. Brian Callahan can't get that team to respond at all.

22:44Brian Callahan is a strong candidate to be a one-and-done,

22:48whether that's fair or not. That's just the way they're trending.

22:52Lastly, I'll just say about the Pats.

22:56A bit of an old-school approach. I mentioned how they

23:00dealt with Rodgers. Going back and looking at the tape from years ago,

23:04playing him. He'll want to seek this matchup out all the time.

23:08He'll pass up open guys underneath because he just doesn't want to do it.

23:12He's decided that's the best place to go.

23:16There was some physicality that had been lacking. It didn't produce much results

23:20in terms of the run game, but they did a better job of stopping the run.

23:24Still wasn't awesome. Again, still gave up 120 yards rushing,

23:28but they didn't get run through as they'd been the last five or six weeks.

23:32They needed it. They got it.

23:36We're going to move on because we spent a lot of time on that game. Let's get to Eagles-Bengals.

23:40Bengals needed this one, I thought.

23:44Kind of badly. Had turned the season around after the 0-4 start, won three in a row.

23:48They get absolutely smacked by the Eagles.

23:5237-17. Eagles score in their last six drives.

23:56They score 34 total points. I had three straight possessions

24:00where they went for touchdowns. First time this season that they've done that.

24:04It was offensively the combination of, obviously,

24:08the big play, which is what they hunt on offense all the time.

24:12You've got the Devontae for 45 yards. They're always looking for those one-on-one matchups.

24:16Power with Hertz in the run game and power with Saquon,

24:20who's playing about as well as anybody in the league right now, isn't he?

24:24Yeah, a couple things. We talked about the Jets and trading pieces.

24:28If I'm the Bengals, it's time.

24:32Is there a chance the Jets and Bengals could be who we thought they were preseason and get hot?

24:36Yeah, there is. If either team loses this week, it's done, in my opinion.

24:40The Bengals maybe have an extra week, maybe, because they already had their bye.

24:44They're so much better than the AFC East is. I don't see it.

24:48I'd trade T. Higgins as soon as he's healthy.

24:52He's not coming back. There's absolutely no reason to run this thing into the ground.

24:56Take some of that money that'll go off your cap, roll it over to next year,

25:00and Paige Marchese. It's simple things.

25:04They need him, but he's not going to be.

25:08The Jets need D.J. Reed. He's not going to be there next year.

25:12Get out of your room. Read where your franchise is at. Now they're paying Burrow.

25:16They're going to have to go a little cheaper at some options, a little younger.

25:20Develop the Yoshi Vashis of the world and these guys. Maybe you go smaller there.

25:24They've invested so much money in that offensive line.

25:28I don't know what they do on defense in terms of...

25:32Logan Wilson and Trey Anderson both make a lot of money. Those guys are team leaders there. They're their best players on defense.

25:36They couldn't sniff Jalen Hurts yesterday.

25:40I'm just saying, do you just try to totally reset this thing and say,

25:44somewhat of what the Bills did going into this year and say,

25:48let's reset this thing. Hopefully Joe's healthy

25:52and play the way Josh is. Let's just build this roster.

25:56Just totally rebuild this roster on the fly. That's what I'd do

26:00if I was Cincinnati.

26:04Zach Taylor thing will be interesting to see. Him and Burrow were obviously

26:08kind of done this thing hand-in-hand, but Zach Taylor's record outside of

26:12it's not the most pleasant thing to look at.

26:16If you were Philly, we talked about this on Thursday's show and I'll keep it shorter with

26:20Philly. The defense is playing finely, generally, except for

26:24Fangio. I mean, Nolan Smith and Jamar Chase.

26:28Vic, what are we doing, buddy?

26:32It's one of the three best receivers in football getting...whatever.

26:36It's just insane, but generally speaking, Philly's doing a lot

26:40and they have an identity again. When these guys are all healthy, Jalen still

26:44would scare me in a bigger game just because I don't think he's still great, but

26:48Saquon's awesome. Demonte Smith is awesome. H.J. Brown is

26:52awesome. This offensive line will get healthier and is still really good.

26:56The Eagles are good. They've been good. I don't think anyone thought

27:00they would be bad. I think there were some questions around coaching, hurts, etc. Those haven't gone away,

27:04but this is now a couple weeks back-to-back of beating some crappy teams.

27:08This was like, oh, yep, I know you beat the Browns and Giants handily. Well, not

27:12really the Browns, but now it's like you just went into Cincinnati and smoked a desperate team.

27:16So yeah, if I'm Cincinnati, I'm getting

27:20that T. Higgins off the injury report as quickly as possible. Because look,

27:24at the end of the day, if you're the Bengals and someone's team gets desperate,

27:28does he go for a two because he's a rental that's younger and maybe you have a chance to

27:32re-sign him? I don't know. If you're the commanders, aren't you trading

27:36a two for T. Higgins and saying, let's go win this division and maybe we'll re-sign him with money?

27:40Something like that. You have the money to do it, as opposed to

27:44in the offseason, I got it. Now, as much as I know they'd

27:48miss him, if you told me there's a 50-plus

27:52percent chance he's there next year, it's a different conversation. It feels like

27:5610 percent chance. He's going to get $25 million a year.

28:00Again, if you're Washington, which we'll touch on at the end here,

28:04you're 6-2 right now and the division cowboys look bad

28:08and the Giants are bad. Why can't you go and

28:12say, hey Jaden, you're going to get T. Higgins for the rest of the year

28:16and Scary Terry and the way you're playing football.

28:20We could go win 11 games and be last year's Houston and then next year we have a much better

28:24chance. I don't know. That's just my take. I know I didn't talk

28:28much about the game, but those are just some bigger point things where the Eagles have an identity

28:32and the Bengals are very much where the Jets are.

28:36We might need to start just selling off and rebuilding this thing a little bit

28:40on the fly. Bengals are 3-1 against teams who are

28:44under .500. Of course, the one loss being

28:48they would love to take it back, lost the Patriots in the opener.

28:52Then 0-4 against teams who are winning records.

28:56One quarterback hit, no sacks yesterday.

29:00There's a lot wrong with that roster. To your point about Vic Fangio and the defense,

29:04they have an identity and Cooper Dejean

29:08is making an impact. Ian Quinion Mitchell,

29:12dude, that draft. We could look back at that draft a few years from now

29:16and go, whew, they remade their whole defense right there.

29:20Young, athletic players. It's making a difference for sure.

29:24The Eagles to win a second in a row, getting a little bit of momentum.

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30:12We'll review some of our... Mike, one thing

30:16we're not going to realistically touch on, but I just felt like I had to talk about

30:20for 30 seconds. Anthony Richardson

30:24saying he was fired.

30:28This was something yesterday that

30:32I've never heard. I talked to players around the league yesterday that

30:36all were like, there's absolutely no way he said that out loud. They're like, what?

30:40I cannot believe they just saw that. Like Shane's thinking a lot.

30:44This is a challenge.

30:48It might be flack of time, which is

30:52again, it's insane.

30:56I'm reading some of the tweets from the Colts beat writers and they're just talking

31:00about how Shane's hard to read. But he did say, Anthony's our starting

31:04quarterback right now. Interesting.

31:08We heard a lot of right nows in New England as Jacoby Brissett was the quarterback

31:12for the first five weeks. Jacoby's the quarterback right now.

31:16I think he's on the clock a little bit because they've been in every game.

31:20I think every game has been decided by six points or less for the Colts

31:24this year. Would they have an extra win or two if Flacco

31:28was playing quarterback for them? Which is insane to say, by the way.

31:32That's the power of Joe Flacco, baby.

31:36Let's go to the next one. Browns upset the Ravens 29-24.

31:40Ravens five-game win streak is over. They fall to five

31:44in three. Look, there's the whole

31:48Jameis Winston, Deshaun Watson aspect of this game. I don't really

31:52care about the Browns. The Ravens

31:56were playing outstanding football offensively. They're one of the best, if not the best

32:00offense in the league. Had a few issues yesterday.

32:04But to me, this continues to be about their defense, which every time you

32:08think might be getting a foothold, they don't. They got torn up

32:12yesterday. Zach Orr, again, the first-year defensive coordinator,

32:16young guy replacing Mike McDonald, brought in Dean Pease a couple weeks ago, the

32:20longtime defensive coordinator at history with the Ravens and a whole bunch of other places

32:24because they were just looking for another set of eyes. Nothing helped.

32:28It's not helping. Jameis goes for over 300 yards. Their secondary

32:32is struggling. And they had injuries. Now Wiggins, Humphrey,

32:36Marcus Williams, dressed but did not

32:40play. Seems to be some sort of discipline thing going on there.

32:44Harbaugh said afterwards, he's still going to

32:48play good football for us, but something's happening there. So their secondary

32:52is a disaster. And it showed against

32:56Cleveland, but it's been showing all year long. They're one of the worst

33:00past defense teams in the league. And I don't know.

33:04Yes, Humphrey back when he's healthy. That makes a difference.

33:08But guess what? Hasn't been healthy a ton the last couple years. Wiggins

33:12has had a hard time staying on the field here in his rookie season. So they're a team that

33:16definitely can win, in my opinion. But they've got to figure out a way to fix that

33:20defense. And I wonder if they don't start looking at the trademark and saying to themselves

33:24whether it's more bodies in the secondary,

33:28whether it's another pass rusher, whether it's both.

33:32They feel like they need to do something because

33:36they could piss away a season that, quite frankly, I think from an offensive standpoint

33:40they shouldn't let get pissed away.

33:44If the Browns fire Kevin Stefanski at the end of this year, it'll be one of the

33:48stupidest moves in the NFL. And if I was a Jets fan, if I was a Giants fan,

33:52if I was a Patriots fan,

33:56I'd be sprinting to hire Kevin Stefanski.

34:00Without Deshaun Watson, he just wins coaches of the year.

34:04Just look at it. Every year when he does not have

34:08Deshaun Watson on his roster or even playing,

34:12Jacoby Bursette, when he won 7-8 games that year with Bursette, he won

34:16I believe 10 or 11 with Cleveland. With Baker, when coach of the year then,

34:20they should have beaten Kansas City in that playoff game. Baker can make an out-route throw.

34:24Last year, they rattled off

34:28eight in a row with Flacco and collapsed in the playoffs.

34:32Last week, even yesterday, the second Deshaun goes out,

34:36all of a sudden, the playbook works again.

34:40I don't know what they're going to do in Cleveland because it feels like they're at a

34:44crossroads here where at some point the owner is going to have to

34:48OK them moving on from him, whether it's a trade or cutting him or whatever it is and just owning that

34:52dead cap. Andrew Barry

34:56feels safe, even though I think it might be the opposite. But what do you do with

35:00it? There was the weird trade rumors again.

35:04They already traded Cooper. There's other pieces on that team. You maybe want to restart it.

35:08Stefanski's a damn good football coach. If you told me the

35:12Browns rattled off three or four in a row here because this is what happens, I wouldn't be shocked.

35:16It's not because Javis is good or anything like that. Stefanski's

35:20back in the game. It's a good program in place. There's no question about it.

35:24The Baltimore thing, we've talked for a while. The defense

35:28hasn't figured it out. I don't know that they're going to.

35:32We're in November football now.

35:36They kind of get torched. They're not even a good

35:40defense, to be honest with you. I don't know if it's going out and saying, hey, we'll

35:44bring Genevieve Clowney back, who's basically just sitting there and cashing a check

35:48living at home in Carolina. Or they call the Jets and say, hey,

35:52DJ Reed and Hasan Reddick for a two and a four, and we'll take on the salaries of these

35:56guys. I don't know. Whoever

36:00it might be, they're not good enough up front, and they're not good enough

36:04on the back end. Roe Clown can run around like a chicken

36:08with his head cut off and trying to hit everybody, and that's great, him and Kyle Hamilton.

36:12They're not beating Kansas City if their defense does not

36:16improve. The last thing I'll say in this game, and I know maybe it's just a Twitter thing,

36:20the Lamar doesn't have any help thing

36:24kind of seems to come up every time they lose a football game. He

36:28has plenty of help. Lamar is amazing. He's a two-time MVP.

36:32I don't care what he does in the regular season. He's reached that point of his career where him and

36:36Josh Allen, it's like you've got to beat the Chiefs.

36:40That's great, but he has plenty of help.

36:44I don't know why that narrative got thrown around yesterday.

36:48It seems to happen every time they lose a game. It's like, oh, we've got to get Lamar our number one receiver.

36:52Dude, their offense is more than good enough.

36:56We're lax. It's maybe just probably a blip

37:00for them, but Raven,

37:04that defense has got to get figured out a little bit. If you're a Browns fan,

37:08it's probably best to suck the rest of the year and keep your coach and rebuild this

37:12thing, but again, I wouldn't be shocked if they just get hot here randomly

37:16for a couple weeks. Yeah, and the problem with them is

37:20sucking is the haslam. The owner is such a lunatic that he'll fire

37:24everybody. They'll both get jobs in three seconds because they're that good.

37:28Cover zero on the game-winning touchdown to Cedric Tillman

37:32where it isolated Eddie Jackson, who's about 146 years old.

37:36Still in the league for a second.

37:40He got burned twice yesterday. He was a really good player.

37:44Unfortunately, it's not 2014 anymore. Yeah, it's a different time

37:48at a different place. Let's go to Falcons beating the Bucks

37:5231-26. Falcons improve to 4-0 in the division, 5-3

37:56overall. Bucks fall to 4-4. Falcons are kind of who we thought they

38:00were, right? That first game, the way Kirk looked, and you're like, oh boy.

38:04He's still not totally trusting the Achilles, although he did take off

38:08for a pretty important scramble in yesterday's game,

38:12but 23-29, 276, four touchdowns, two long

38:16touchdowns to Kyle Pitts. Mooney with a long touchdown. He's unlocking

38:20the pieces that for the last couple years couldn't be unlocked,

38:24specifically Pitts, who's been the top five pick

38:28in basically Wasteland for two years.

38:32It's all happening for them offensively. Defensively, that's still not a

38:36good football team. Feels like they're praying for

38:40a mistake. They got a mistake yesterday. It was actually not

38:44from the Bucks offense, but from the Bucks special teams. 24-17, Bucks decide

38:48to, what did they do there?

38:52Fourth down. Turn it over. Short

38:56field. Boom. It's 31-17, and then the Bucks are in catch-up mode, and they're in catch-up

39:00mode without Godwin and Mike Evans, who are out for the game,

39:04and still Baker through for 3-30. 37-50 for 3-30.

39:08The Bucks move the football. Falcons are going to be a team

39:12much like the Ravens at this point when they're going to win games, probably because they're going to have

39:16to score in the high 20s to 30s to get it done, but in that division,

39:20we said that was a craptastic division, and it wouldn't be surprising if 8-8 won the division.

39:248-9, 9-8 won the division. 8-8 no longer

39:28a thing with the 17-game schedule, and that's sort of how it's playing out.

39:32Yeah, a couple things. Kirk's kind of having, he's having

39:36a good year. He's turned the ball over a little bit more,

39:40maybe a little bit more than he had in the past couple years, a little bit more like maybe

39:44the 2022 Kirk, higher completion percentage this year

39:48than he had that year, but that year he was .22, if people remember, 4,500 yards,

39:5229 touchdowns, 14 picks. Right now, he's roughly on pace for about

39:5629 touchdowns, 14 picks, higher completion percentage, but similar yardage.

40:00That team went 13-4, 13-3, and then lost at home.

40:04My one issue with the Falcons is I still feel like they're a

40:08roster that is not fully, fully

40:12just haven't consistently strung it together for

40:16a month in a row yet, and I'm not saying, because they've only played eight games.

40:20To your point, though, look at what they had to do in the offseason,

40:24or right before the season started. You trade for Judon,

40:28you sign Simmons. They realized. They looked at their roster and were like,

40:32all right, well, we don't have to give up too much for Judon. We can do that because we need to pass Rusher

40:36early. We're still not sure about our back end, even though we had Bates.

40:40Let's go to the second power with that thing and bring Simmons back there because they're looking

40:44around going, we don't have enough difference makers, especially on the defensive side of the ball,

40:48and guess what? Judon and Simmons haven't been difference makers for them so far.

40:52Yeah, so my thing with the Falcons is

40:56how aggressive is Arthur Blank going to get here? I know we talked a lot about trade

41:00deadlines and trade targets and stuff.

41:04Do they go? I don't even know what they would go after at this point.

41:08They kind of are a team that could use anybody but doesn't necessarily need

41:12anybody. I don't know. They're just another team that I look at.

41:16I'm like, Arthur Blank's not getting any younger. He just inducted himself in his own Hall of Fame, which is

41:20pretty sweet, actually. What do you think about it?

41:24It's pretty awesome. It's awesome. You know what? That's how many F's I give. I'm putting myself

41:28in the Hall of Fame. But he went out and was like, we're paying Kirk. I don't really care. That's why it was

41:32always like, oh, that's the Belichick team because it made all the sense in the world.

41:36Obviously, so on and so forth. We know the whole deal there. The Falcons are a good team.

41:40I still think Detroit run them off the field

41:44in a 60-minute playoff game. It's a good time to be a Falcons

41:48fan for those who are. The Bucks are so frustrating because

41:52I don't think we expected both these guys to be hurt when Godwin and Evans

41:56right now. Me and you talked so much about how this is an 8-9 win team because

42:00week to week, there's some awesome veterans and they still got it.

42:04Even the Levantes of the world and

42:08Vitavia and all those guys, they still got it. But there's still

42:12holes there. I still think Bowles is a good coach, not a great coach by any means.

42:16I still think he makes some interesting, very dumb decisions at times.

42:20And Baker is very reckless with the football. But

42:24all that said to me at the same time, the season's not over for them.

42:28If you look at the remaining

42:32what the Bucks have going on the next couple weeks,

42:36you got the Chiefs on Monday night and then the Niners

42:40before they have the Giants and Panthers.

42:44They might be 4-6 before you look and then yeah, they can

42:48dig themselves out of it. Giants, Panthers, Raiders, then the Chargers, Cowboys,

42:52Panthers, Saints. Again, you can convince me they could then roll six in a row

42:56and get Evans back and they'll fly. But man, these two against the

43:00Falcons are going to come back to bite them right now. You're down a game and a half to them.

43:04And Atlanta's got Carolina again too.

43:08You know what I mean? I think the Bucks' best shot is to get in as a wild card

43:12but they're going to have to probably rattle off five to six, six out of six

43:16to do it. And again, the schedule dictates they can.

43:20But as we've talked about, the Jets and the Bengals and other teams

43:24between injuries and other things, relying on rattling off five out of six

43:28is just not usually the best for business.

43:32Yeah, I mean, being down those two receivers is, you know, again,

43:36he threw for 330 but those guys are difference makers.

43:40Now he's thrown to Kate Otten 12 times.

43:44And Kate Otten's a perfectly fine player but that's not

43:48going to, that's not scaring anybody. And yet they still had a Hail Mary

43:52at the end of the game with a chance to win.

43:56Which is crazy. Bill Seahawks 31-10. Bill's romped.

44:00They're 6-2. They have as many wins now as the rest of the AFC East

44:04combined. Rainy, nasty day in Seattle.

44:08I thought this was an interesting test for the Bills just

44:12to make that trip. Face a Mike McDonald defense. Josh hasn't seen it very much.

44:16Josh was really good again yesterday.

44:20A few yards, a couple touchdowns.

44:24Cooper wasn't very involved yesterday. Played more, just didn't,

44:28there wasn't much of a connection there. In fact, the one interception came when Cooper slipped

44:32on a route and led to the interception. But Keion Coleman

44:36elevating. Actually getting dapped up by Tariq Woolen

44:40who skied over to get the touchdown. Almost like Woolen saying, dude, nobody does that to me

44:44at 6'4". But you just did. Nice play.

44:48Getting him involved a little bit more. The Khalil Shakir thing continues to be

44:52that's become Josh's whoopee a little bit.

44:56I think Ryan Fitzpatrick tweeted out last night

45:00targeted him 82 times over the last season and a half. 75

45:04completions. He knows where he's going to be. Trust him.

45:08Shakir makes plays. The other thing about this game to me

45:12physically, how they can run the football now and protect

45:16the quarterback. Their offensive line is one of the best offensive lines in football. Dawkins and Brown

45:20at the tackles. I love Osiris Torrance.

45:24In fact, he was one of my draft guys a couple years ago.

45:28He's been great for them. David Edwards at guard as well.

45:32Connor McGovern at center. They played very well as a unit.

45:36Cook rushes for over 100 yards. Looks explosive. Had all day to sort of pick his spots and go.

45:40They're back.

45:44I think it was a good win.

45:48A little litmus test for them offensively.

45:52McDonald doesn't have all his pieces in place yet, but they've been playing better.

45:56They've gotten some of their front defensive line guys back. Murphy in particular.

46:00It didn't matter.

46:04You encapsulated a lot of what I wanted to hit on in a good way.

46:08The division is over.

46:12They're not coming out of them.

46:16At least not to catch Buffalo.

46:20The Patriots are not winning the rest of the next nine games.

46:24To me, the two things to Seattle that are a little concerning

46:28are San Francisco has not figured it out yet.

46:32I don't know if they will, but you lost.

46:36It felt like a home game. East Coast team traveling cross country.

46:40They don't have to have. You get steamrolled.

46:44Not great.

46:48Not to lose in that fashion. Buffalo is very good. I don't think they should be beating anybody.

46:52Let alone a team that's supposed to be a contender in the NFC

46:56on their own field by almost 30 points.

47:00They didn't run the ball at all.

47:04Buffalo is not great against the run. They're very light

47:08through the middle of the defense.

47:12Throwing the ball 50 times doesn't do you any good.

47:16Five carries, 16 yards for Gino.

47:20That's awful.

47:24Great Buffalo win.

47:28The division is over.

47:32Josh has put himself. His numbers are amazing.

47:36He's going to be in the MVP conversation because that's how good of a player he is.

47:40This was a little bit of a disappointing one.

47:44I was expecting a fun game and we got a steamrolling.

47:48We didn't realize we were going to, but that's what we got.

47:52It was a beatdown.

47:56Speaking of beatdowns, I don't know if you've been following the World Series, Will.

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48:52We're going to end the pod on the play that everybody's talking about

48:56for a lot of different reasons.

49:00After scrambling around for, what was it, 12, 13 seconds,

49:04Noah Brown on the receiving end,

49:08they dominated the game and yet were behind but end up winning the game,

49:12stealing it from the Chicago Bears.

49:16Will, just incredible. I'm jumping around my living room. I couldn't believe it.

49:20Phenomenal play. Then the social media videos start to come out.

49:24You're wondering what Stevenson is doing.

49:28I'll turn that over to you. He was the defensive back

49:32for Chicago. Is that a rough 24 hours?

49:36He was telling people to go have a nice rest of their afternoon down in the D.C. area.

49:40This was a really fun game. It wasn't necessarily a game I think we were all expecting

49:44in terms of lower scoring. I thought both quarterbacks did a lot of really nice things.

49:48I know the numbers aren't going to bear it out. They were special by any means.

49:52Caleb, to me, he's not fully hit full stride,

49:56but he's pretty damn good.

50:00If you just box score, look at him, every week, I'm not sure you're going to see quite as much.

50:04He was good yesterday. He made a lot of winning

50:08plays in the fourth quarter. A lot of winning plays in the fourth quarter.

50:12Jaden is special, obviously. This is a big win for them.

50:16These two teams are probably, if they don't win the division,

50:20we're fighting for that 5, 6, 7 seed. Washington having the tiebreaker is huge.

50:24Washington keeping pace now. Still leading that division. Dallas

50:28is struggling. That play was special. Jaden didn't get it out there

50:32far enough, but it almost worked out, obviously, in the end.

50:36Devin McCourty talked a lot about this on Sunday Night Football last night.

50:40The way these teams can never figure out the Hail Mary.

50:44We saw Rodgers do it earlier in the year against Buffalo.

50:48Buffalo is horrible at defending it too. Bat the ball down

50:52and get your biggest and tallest players on the field.

50:56It's every year we see something.

51:00It's usually the end of half and stuff, but you can never figure it out.

51:04That's why, no matter what anyone says, I know the percentages are low.

51:08The game is never over. Even the Jets-Patriots game yesterday. Garrett, you thought

51:12caught that ball. They're going to spike it. Rodgers is going to throw another Hail Mary.

51:16You would have liked your chances. That's just so special from Jaden

51:20to buy the time he did. Good for the Commanders. That building was the most

51:24alive I've seen it in at least 10 years since RG3's rookie year.

51:28It feels like they're getting

51:32the football gods are smiling upon them.

51:36Daniel Snyder is no longer the owner. They get the

51:40quarterback who, through the first eight weeks, has given that franchise

51:44an incredible amount of juice. The maturity with which he's

51:48played has been awesome. Literally, for most of the week, no one

51:52thought he was going to play. The rib injury, it seemed like it was,

51:56we'll play smart. He just, 4.30 in the morning, getting there,

52:00getting his treatment, and has a good day yesterday. Obviously, the big play

52:04at the end. Chicago,

52:08I'm sure anybody who's listening to this pod or

52:12watching this pod has seen the video of Stevenson gesturing to the crowd.

52:16Matt Eberfloos, we're taping this on Monday afternoon,

52:20late Monday morning or early Monday afternoon. He had his press conference and he's like,

52:24Stevenson was supposed to be the guy checking Noah Brown

52:28at the end of the play. Just from bad to worse for Stevenson.

52:32To his credit, he has at least come out and said, I'm going to get better from this. That was a

52:36mistake. Shameful. I apologize to my teammates.

52:40I think McCourty brought it up on Sunday Night Football

52:44about now the veterans got to go put their arm around him and get him back.

52:48He starts for them. He's an important guy for them. You got to make sure this thing doesn't spiral for him

52:52because you still got plenty in front of you. You're four and three.

52:56There's a playoff berth that could be there if you can find your footing quickly

53:00and continue to improve at the rate that they've improved.

53:04I just thought that poor kid, he brought it on himself, but that's one

53:08hell of a week for him to have. The other part about that video,

53:12just go back and you can find different things that are happening in the video.

53:16There's a blatant hold. He gets something new every time.

53:20There's a blatant hold. I shouldn't say the refs

53:24would call it a hundred times out of a hundred because the officiating in this league

53:28has been wretched. I don't even like to talk about officiating, but it's been that

53:32kind of year so far where I felt like I've had to bring it up a few times.

53:36There's a hold, but when Brown catches the ball and they have

53:40the shot of it with him coming into him, there's two

53:44dudes behind him that literally one dude tackles the

53:48other dude. There's security work, whatever they are. I don't even know who they are.

53:52There's staffers, security people, the net guys. I don't know what they were,

53:56but one guy literally just smokes the other guy, just completely tackles him.

54:00Then there's the video of it afterwards where one coach runs up to try to

54:04chest bump one of the offensive linemen. That guy sends him flying.

54:08I love football. Some of these moments were pretty cool to see in the aftermath

54:12of it. Yeah, it was awesome. It was an awesome Sunday.

54:16We are

54:20in a legit, start looking at the playoff picture here, play soon.

54:24Yeah, absolutely. All right, that's going to put a wrap on this edition of the All 32.

54:28Here's Will Parkinson. I'm Mike Ciardi. We'll see you again later in the week

54:32as we preview the Week 9 slate.

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