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FOXBORO -- Greg Bedard and Nick Cattles report on-site from Patriots training camp day 6, discussing the Mathew Judon contract situation, Christian Barmore’s health scare, Drake Maye’s slump, and more.  0:00 - Intro 0:24 - Christian Barmore update 2:44 - Matthew Judon situation 4:30 - Judon's open revolt 5:47 - Judon's contract frustration 8:21 - Judon's agent involvement 12:50 - Quarterback updates 14:21 - Drake Maye struggles 16:54 - Maye's potential concerns 18:11 - Comparing Maye and Mac Jones 21:59 - Promising offensive line   ************************************************ Patriots Content Brought to you by....  Prize Picks - PrizePicks.com/CLNS Download the app today and use code CLNS for a first deposit match up to $100!  Gametime - https://gametime.co Take the guesswork out of buying NBA tickets with Gametime. Download the Gametime app, create an account, and use code CLNS for $20 off your first purchase. Download Gametime today. Last minute tickets. Lowest Price. Guaranteed. Terms apply.  Merch Store - https://shop.clnsmedia.com  Social Media!!!!  Patriots Twitter- https://twitter.com/patriotsclns  Patriots Instagram-  https://www.instagram.com/patriotsclns/  Facebook- https://facebook.com/clnsmedia  LinkedIn- https://www.linkedin.com/company/clnsmedia/about/  Tik Tok - https://www.tiktok.com/@clnsmedia *********************************************************  ABOUT PATRIOTS COVERAGE ON CLNS:   Welcome to the CLNS Media Network’s YouTube channel for New England Patriots  football.  CLNS Media is the leading online provider of audio/video coverage for the 6X Super Bowl Champions.  Get complete inside access to the New England Patriots at Gillette Stadium in Foxboro and everywhere on the road. CLNS Patriots credentialed insiders Greg Bedard, Andrew Callahan, Tayler Kyles, John Zannis, Alex Barth and Mike Kadlick provide instantaneous news and analysis all in real time, as well as full access to complete videos from the players, coaches, ownership and everyone else inside Patriots Place.  If you enjoy CLNS’ Celtics  All Access and are craving more Boston sports content, you head over to CLNS’ Patriots  Press Pass at   https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqX7G3pEDTseNxtoDU27PEg?sub_confirmations=1   __________________________________________________________________________  For Celtics Content:    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmp3kivpOg3lzoJC7yV7VjQ?sub_confirmations=1   https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmp3kivpOg3lzoJC7yV7VjQ?sub_confirmations=1    Celtics Twitter - https://twitter.com/CelticsCLNS   Celtics Instagram - https://instagram.com/celticsCLNS  Twitter Main- - https://twitter.com/clnsmediaCLNS  Main Instagram - https://instagram.com/clnsmedia ******************************************************* Check out over dozens of sports podcasts from CLNS Media here: https://clnsmedia.com/ OR for all 200 shows, go to https://northstationmedia.com

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00:00This is the Gregg Bedard Patriots podcast with Nick Cattles.

00:09We're live on location Nick Cattles, Gregg Bedard, Gregg Bedard Patriots

00:13podcast with Nick Cattles on a Tuesday afternoon we just watched the second

00:19padded practice with the Patriots and Gregg let's first start off with things

00:22that we haven't talked about yet of course that's Christian Barmore the

00:25blood clot situation what do you think well it's obviously a huge issue for the

00:31Patriots we know how valuable Christian Barmore is I mean they paid him and that

00:37always shows you the level of respect and what they think about the player in

00:40the future I mean the big question is when and if he can come back this year

00:44and beyond just in the past dealing with these things where there's David Andrews

00:50Antonio Garcia these things tend to take a while usually blood thinners are part

00:56of the the process to alleviate the issue right the problem is is that you

01:02can't play football when you're on blood thinners and you also need it you need

01:06to run its course so perhaps there's you know maybe maybe he's on it for like a

01:11month but then he needs another month off to make sure it's all out of his

01:14system that sort of thing but I mean look Nick it's it's huge and you combine

01:19that with I'm sure something we're also going to talk about you combine no

01:23Christian Barmore and no Matthew Judon and all of a sudden we go from a defense

01:29that we expected to carry this team Gerard Mayo said the other day this team

01:33is gonna win on defense yeah and running the ball and without basically two of

01:37their biggest difference makers maybe Christian Gonzalez would be the other

01:41one it's a huge issue for this team and so you know you just wonder how they're

01:47gonna be able to compensate I mean they don't have anybody on the roster no that

01:50is gonna come close I mean we're talking about the Daniel Equalize Jeremiah

01:55farms of the world not even close they paid the good thing for the Patriots is

02:02that they still do get a lot of pressure with their scheme and but without

02:06Christian Barmore that guy in the middle that's probably gonna draw double teams

02:10and free up other people it's gonna be tough sledding for the pass rush yeah

02:14you see across the NFL I think we all have to adjust our expectations as far

02:18as interior offensive lineman guards getting paid a lot of people looking at

02:23a winner was saying oh he's making about 20 million years that too much well Quinn

02:26minors is getting 20 million a year in Denver hunt got 19 20 million and that

02:31speaks to the importance of the interior defensive lineman nowadays and that that

02:35pass rush you look at Chris Jones in Kansas City how much of a difference

02:39maker he is of course Aaron Donald before he retired but let's look at

02:42Matthew Jude on now you mentioned it Greg we saw it play out yesterday here

02:46on the practice field everybody knows what happened by now the conversation

02:49with Mayo walks away comes back speaks with grow speaks with wolf and then

02:54walks away looked like he might have given a little bit of a parting shot as

02:58he walked off the field reportedly was not at the facility today this is a

03:02mess well there's a report out there that he

03:05wasn't even at the facility I believe Phil Perry said that he was not at the

03:08facility Wow that is yeah it's a mess it really is from the way Jude on the

03:15whole thing how this has played out whether it was you know my report and

03:19him answering it and then you know him talking to the media at a basically like

03:25thin air we didn't think he was gonna talk that day and yeah being so honest

03:29which we've talked about and it seemed like you even said well I signed the

03:33contract so I guess I got a play on it you know even though I don't want to to

03:38suddenly an open revolt during practice where you know there's a certain way of

03:43doing things like last year he was in the same situation and what did we get

03:47out of him lash it last year was I'm not talking to you snitches about my

03:52contract he went through conditioning instead of taking part in practice even

03:57with he used that as an excuse to us like oh I'm just I'm just working on my

04:02condition and making sure I need to be where I need to be by the time the

04:05season rolls around which we all knew was a bunch of BS to now this year you

04:11know he's openly talking about it for about 10 minutes in front of the media

04:14being completely honest which is fine and Mayo was fine with it to him coming

04:19out to practice sitting on a bunch of pads on a garbage can looking like he's

04:25an open revolt it's a complete 180 and yeah you know and then you get into the

04:29whole interplay between Mayo and judan and then judan comes back out and then

04:36he goes to wolf and grow during practice and he's not happy about that and Robert

04:41Kraft is in the middle of things to sell Robert Kraft out here today talking to

04:44Devon God show another guy in a contract impasse with the Patriots so look do I

04:51think this is like a big deal like in terms of do I believe like things are

04:57out of control with the Patriots no it's just that people around here aren't

05:00used to these things right I've covered different teams I've been around the

05:04NFL this kind of stuff goes on all the time as long as it gets resolved at some

05:11point whether that he gets more money he's happy here or he gets traded you

05:16know at some point that's all that really matters and so it's not a good

05:19look it's not a good look for judan it's not a good look for Mayo but I don't

05:24think it's a huge problem you know I felt this whole time that it was more

05:29likely that judan would get taken care of over gotcha but after how things

05:33played out yesterday I just felt like there was a 180 and I don't know what

05:36you do as a team this is a tough situation because you've got a first

05:39time head coach he's trying to set the standard and now do you want to set the

05:44precedent Greg of having somebody really show up the organization that's what

05:48judan did yesterday look if you have an issue I get it he's he's irritated he

05:52should be frustrated by the contract situation with what he's getting paid

05:55but you can't do what he did yesterday you cannot show up your organization in

05:59front of everybody out here in public and I just wonder if you know if you

06:03bring him back and you give him what he wants even if it's a little bit of a

06:06tick up and pay this year is that setting a precedent where now other guys

06:10see that and say oh okay now I'm gonna act like judan did and maybe I'll get my

06:16money I don't know what you want to do with that if you're Gerard Mayo and

06:19well I do think you know this is where Gerard Mayo comes into this because he's

06:25the head coach he's responsible for the way things go down yeah and thus far it

06:30looks like to me this is just my opinion that you know he was worrying so much

06:38about changing the culture after bill loosening things up letting the players

06:43express themselves that he didn't sit and think about all right well what if

06:48it goes badly what if X Y & Z happen like I understand the good that could

06:52come of this yeah but what's the bad and then also like I don't put it all on

06:56judan I think that Mayo bears responsibility in this because if he if

07:02he didn't think to set the parameters to be like look this is what we're gonna do

07:06we're gonna let you guys express yourself we're gonna give you more

07:09freedom but this is what I expect in return and if I don't get it then I'm

07:14gonna be pissed yeah and it's obvious that there weren't any boundaries put on

07:19this because I think that Matthew judan would have respected it but you know who

07:23knows maybe some people got in judan's ear and said especially with Drew

07:27Rosenhaus Devon gotcha house agent here yesterday that's usually a sign that

07:32gotcha I was gonna get taken care of that's normally how things go with

07:35Rosenhaus he comes in gets face-to-face with people they find to some resolution

07:38and then judan hears about that and he's like now I'm the last one right and

07:43and it looked different to at least to me the conversations that were happening

07:47judan it certainly seemed like there was a little bit of an irritability between

07:51the sides after practice I saw gotcha speaking with you know Rosenhaus first

07:56Rosenhaus spoke with Matt Groh was right in front of me he speaks with grow grow

08:00walks away gotcha comes up Rosenhaus and gotcha speak for about five minutes and

08:05then Mayo comes over and it's gotcha Mayo and Rosenhaus all talking and you

08:11could see you know gotcha kind of pushing Mayo playfully and they're kind

08:14of laughing with each other it at least seemed again we're going off body

08:17language which is always difficult I think we understand the judan thing now

08:21since he's not here today but you know the gotcha thing looked like Greg that

08:26it was somewhat amicable and that the two sides were getting along at least in

08:31that conversation yeah no I completely agree with your characterization of that

08:35and we'll have to see and I also think Nick this this is a little inside

08:40football but I don't think I've never I looked up judan's agent I've

08:45never heard of him yeah normally when you get that that's more like an

08:48advisor slash lawyer just to look over the well judan did say on that podcast

08:53that came out last night that he came up with a contract offer put it together

08:58and gave it to the Patriots so it sounds like judan has a heavy hand and what's

09:01going on this this is the downside of that like you can say all right I'm

09:04saving the 3% or whatnot or I've been through this and I know what's what but

09:10at the end of the day there's a reason why you you hire someone to handle your

09:14business so that you don't have to get in involved in this someone's

09:18representing your interest and you can concentrate on the field yeah let's talk

09:22quickly about your bill peppers he was out there yesterday with the training

09:26staff at the training shed way in the back looked like they were looking at a

09:30foot or an ankle a leg something lower leg injury issue goes out there takes

09:35one snap walks off the field that was it unstraps the helmet he did not practice

09:40today he was out there walking around though just kind of the overall the

09:44accumulative effect Greg with you know the judan stuff happening major player

09:48on your defense bar more happening major player on your defense and now you've

09:53got peppers come up lame pretty pretty big impact player on your defense for

09:58sure yeah hopefully it's minor you know we saw guys out there like it seemed

10:03like joshua blood so got a lot more time along with Jalen Hawkins has been

10:08out there as the free safety but there's no question that you know when you look

10:13at this team and they just gave him a contract extension jabril peppers is the

10:17heart and soul of this defense yeah and they're one of the emotional leaders and

10:21you know hopefully it's just minor and he's back the good thing is there's a

10:25long ways to go until they start games in September I will get to the

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12:52Jacoby Brissett I have not been here until yesterday he looked really good

12:57yesterday today not as good but first two days of padded practices how do you

13:01feel about Jacoby Brissett I think Jacoby's looked pretty good these last

13:05couple days I think it was you know the first four days without pads it was

13:09really sketchy for the offense as a whole I do think that yesterday he was

13:15really good today we saw they got into a little bit more situations yeah with red

13:20zone a little bit of hurry up yep Jacoby had the really nice pass on the

13:25first snap of red zone touchdown to Hunter Henry sort of the first time

13:29Hunter Henry has popped in a very long time I mean he was going against blood

13:33so just a perfect pass from Jacoby Brissett other than that it was a little

13:39dicey there there was there was another lap done by the offense that's been a

13:45theme the past couple days yeah where they broke the huddle and it looked like

13:49it looked like it was Jalen Polk was lined up in the wrong place and Jacoby

13:54Brissett got mad and looked like he was yelling in the direction of Tyler Hughes

13:58the wide receivers coach so there's some of that going on but I think Jacoby's

14:04been as advertised so far like he knows the offense he's calming you know he's

14:09pretty good under pressure he delivers the ball knows what he's doing with the

14:14ball and you know that's in stark contrast to the younger quarterbacks on

14:18this team yeah we'll get to Drake May in a second I just kind of echo what you

14:23say about Brissett much more control of what's going on out there than the other

14:27guys and then you look at Drake May and May had a rough day yesterday not much

14:33better today has not been has not been great for the rookie in the last couple

14:38of padded practices Greg yeah I this is sort of three straight down days for for

14:43Drake May today in the main team period he was one of six and had a fumbled snap

14:48with Antonio Moffey now I will point out even though this is no excuse for him

14:52even though people on Twitter love to use it as an excuse yes he is working

14:56with the backup line Moffey's a train wreck yes and he can't snap the football

15:02which seems to be important when you're a center yes he he he has been a train

15:07wreck he is every shotgun snap is an adventure everything's that so what

15:13Greg's thought about is literally every shotgun snap is at the shoestrings of

15:17Drake May he has to go down and get it or yeah it's over his head yeah and this

15:22is a byproduct of David Andrews has missed the last two practices yeah so

15:26Nick Leverett is now the starting center Antonio Moffey because Jake Andrews is

15:30on PUP is not out here it might be time for them to sign some sort of center

15:36yeah somewhere to come in because this is getting ridiculous now it's no excuse

15:41for May and I've seen out of May especially today and it really came home

15:46in that main team period where he's one of six he is now at the stage where he

15:52is thinking too much he has rookie brain lock and look I'm not overly concerned

15:59he's gonna go through this stuff where he is doesn't make a difference to me I

16:05always he was going to need to be brought along did I have the thought

16:10today that going up to number two snaps was maybe a little bit too soon for him

16:15yeah I had that thought today but I want to see how the kid rebounds and we'll

16:22see how things go yeah a couple things on May and again this is not to excuse

16:25the way he's looked because he hasn't been good and he hasn't been good the

16:28last two days for sure but I also think he's not getting much help out there the

16:32offensive line has not been very good you know Mitchell Wilcox dropped a

16:36couple of footballs for him yesterday that hit him in the hands so overall

16:40that unit has been a little bit sloppy and well behind the first string guys so

16:45I would say that and also just a reminder because I do see people jump

16:49into these grandiose conclusions about Drake May and everybody settled down

16:54everybody take a breath we all talked about this before the draft Greg talked

16:58about it I talked about it everybody and their mother talked about it heading

17:02into that draft which was May is not polished he's not a polished prospect he

17:08is going to be raw it's about potential in drafting Drake made to me was more

17:12about 25 and 26 and it was about 2024 so we have to keep that in mind it doesn't

17:18mean he's gonna be great but you know the first couple of padded practices we

17:22knew what the Patriots were getting into when they drafted him third yeah

17:25you know without question and people are overreacting to the comments I made the

17:30failure mass yesterday where I said Mac there's no question Mac Jones was way

17:34ahead of where Drake May is right now that is not breaking news we knew Mac

17:38Jones was the most pro-ready quarterback coming out of that draft he had been in

17:43pro style offenses he had been coached by Brian Dayball Steve Sarkeesian Nick

17:49Saban played with you know NFL draft picks and an NFL basically the 33rd team

17:55in the NFL yeah Alabama at the time had played a lot of football you know in

17:59high school by to this time at Alabama Drake has not played a lot of football

18:05but you know here's the thing about Drake May and where he is yes I said

18:11that about Mac Jones now a lot of people are just thinking about Mac Jones last

18:14year no no this is a much different Mac Jones that I'm talking about and that

18:18Mac Jones as a rookie was also way ahead of two guys who are going to the

18:23Hall of Fame Patrick Mahomes and Aaron Rodgers that's where Mac Jones was you

18:27just didn't know what a ceiling was we found out that was about his ceiling his

18:31rookie year and not to mention this guy was second in offensive rookie of the

18:36year balloting at the end of his rookie season and so you can't compare Drake May

18:43and Mac Jones no I'm not comparing them but what I'm just saying is Drake's

18:49starting from a much lower point and it's gonna take him time they just need

18:54to build them up the right way and you know we don't know the answer to that

18:59we're gonna have to see how this thing goes along yeah I tweeted out earlier

19:03today you can check it out at Nick C radio the Jordan love stuff from 2020

19:07and 2021 you know everybody proclaiming that love was gonna be a huge swing and

19:13a miss Dan Olofsky saying it looks like he was a terrible pick and Jordan love

19:18was very raw and didn't have a lot of football experience and we forget Drake

19:22May's story you know the COVID year messing around with his high school

19:25season he only played you know two years at North Carolina switched offensive

19:30coordinators from year one to year two so he's again he's raw and he's really

19:34young one more thing on that somebody tweeted me today a podcast that Tyreek

19:39Hill did at one point in time and there he was asked about Patrick Mahomes and

19:42he was just even Tyreek Hill said as a rookie Tyreek Hill was like this is the

19:48guy we drafted yes I thought he was trash and then he talked about all of a

19:53sudden year two how much improvement coming into year two it was like night

19:57and day like that's what they and remember Patrick Mahomes didn't play

20:01outside of one garbage start in week 17 right like the idea is to do what the

20:06Chiefs did with Patrick Mahomes and maybe Drake arrives earlier than that

20:11and plays earlier we will see but the idea is to let him develop and it's the

20:18future you're right 2025 26 and beyond just making you sure you set the right

20:23foundation for him all right some rapid-fire I'm waiting for lunch I'm

20:26starving so let's get to the offensive line looks like they're settled Greg for

20:30now looks like it's Caden Wallace left tackle city so left guard David Andrews

20:34missed the last couple days of practice but obviously when he gets back he will

20:38be at center and then you've got a whenu right guard and right tackle chooks a

20:42core for that's been there five for the last three or four practices what have

20:46you seen yeah I think it's looked pretty good I mean obviously getting David

20:50Andrews back in the middle will make everybody look a lot better I Caden

20:53Wallace has not looked like a fish out of water at left tackle he's done a good

20:57job he's done a good job in one-on-ones city so has done a really nice job yeah

21:03you know I like Nick Leverett as as a backup center and he can play all the

21:09interior positions Michael whenu has been ridiculously good he was crazy good

21:16yesterday and he he actually did have a loss today against Keon white that's his

21:20first loss in one-on-ones but he's been outstanding a core for I don't know

21:27we're gonna have yeah he's been a little bit iffy on the right side I don't know

21:33if it has to do with you know switching from left to right I would also be

21:38interested to hear the rationale between switching them your Wallace and a core

21:43for you know it could be just as simple as you know if you line up a core for on

21:47the left with city so it's a bit of a finesse left side of the line the inside

21:51is more powerful yet by swapping them you're now more balanced as an offensive

21:55line and it could be as simple as that but you know so far I think I think the

21:59returns have been promising you know I'm not gonna say they're good they're gonna

22:02be gangbusters but you know I think they've been really good they've been

22:05really good in the one-on-ones I haven't tallied up today but yesterday

22:09dominated the defensive line again without Christian Barmore or without

22:13Matthew Judon but they're off to a good Scott Peters and Robert Kugler so far

22:18off to a good start in pads yeah and the run game looks a little bit more

22:22together yep and then you know past years especially when they made that

22:26switch to Patricia back in 2022 it looks a little bit more together the run games

22:30and popping a little bit just thoughts overall defensively defensively I think

22:36you know the they've been able to scheme up a lot against the Patriots they there

22:40have been some free rushers I think the defense the run defense has been good

22:46for the most part there you know the the offense has battled them and certainly

22:50pops some runs but yeah I think I think the defense has been good so far I can't

22:56wait to watch it you know they'll get a rest day tomorrow they probably won't be

22:59in pads on Thursday and then get back at it on the weekend to see these guys

23:03compete more and more he's Greg I'm Nick that'll do it for the podcast today two

23:09padded practices in the books back on Thursday we'll see what it looks like

23:13until then be well

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