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Welcome back to Celtics Beat! In today's episode, Adam Kaufman and Evan Valenti are joined by Brian Barrett of "Off the Pike" from The Ringer. The guys discuss Team USA, specifically Tatum's lack of playing time and present an argument for why he should be being used. Additionally, they preview the gold medal game against France.  0:00 - Intro 4:17 - Tatum DNP-CD again  12:14 - Jayson’s jumper shouldn’t be this big of a deterrent  14:13 - Why not play the three Celtics players together? 18:50 - PrizePicks 20:52 - Does Kerr have a Celtics bias? 29:54 - Gametime 31:56 - Will Team USA drama add motivation for the Jays? 48:15 - Could Mazzulla coach another team and beat Team USA? 54:15 - Gold medal game breakdown   CLNS Media is Powered by:   Prize Picks - PrizePicks.com/CLNS  Download the app today and use code CLNS for a first deposit match up to $100!   Gametime - https://gametime.co  Take the guesswork out of buying NBA tickets with Gametime. Download the Gametime app, create an account, and use code CLNS for $20 off your first purchase. Download Gametime today. Last minute tickets. Lowest Price. Guaranteed. Terms apply.  Elevate your style game on and off the course with the PXG Spring Summer 2024 collection. Head over to https://PXG.com/GARDENREPORT and save 10% on all apparel.  Nutrafol Men! Take the first step to visibly thicker, healthier hair. For a limited time, Nutrafol is offering our listeners ten dollars off your first month’s subscription and free shipping when you go to https://Nutrafol.com/MEN and enter the promo code GARDEN!   #celtics #NBA #BostonCeltics The CLNS Media Network is the leading provider for video/audio content. CLNS is a fully credentialed member of the media with access to all NFL/NBA/NHL/MLB teams & venues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------  CLNS' rebuilt their YouTube community in less than 12 months, during a pandemic that attacked sports. Wondering how? Find out here (and support our channel) - https://www.tubebuddy.com/clnsmedia  Visit the Official Home of CLNS Sports Coverage -  https://clnsmedia.com  Twitter - https://twitter.com/CLNSMedia Celtics - https://twitter.com/celticsclns Patriots - https://twitter.com/patriotsclns Bruins - https://twitter.com/bruinsclns Red Sox - https://twitter.com/redsoxclns Non-Sports - https://twitter.com/northstation Facebook - http://facebook.com/clnsmedia INSTA - http://Instagram.com/clnsmedia INSTA Celtics - http://Instagram.com/celticsclns INSTA History - http://Instagram.com/nbahistoryclns

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00:00:06Hey everybody, welcome to a new edition of Celtics beat. We appreciate you hanging out here with us

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00:00:18We greatly appreciate it. Another person who has a podcast is kind enough to join us

00:00:24Of course Brian Barrett every once in a while

00:00:26We go on the off the pike podcast over there with him on the ringer. He comes on with us

00:00:32There's no relationship partnership agreement there behind the scenes

00:00:35He's just cordial and nice and inviting and we are the same and we love having you here Barrett. How are you, bud?

00:00:42I'm doing well, man. I'm doing well

00:00:43I'm a little more tired than Jason Tatum today because I got a run on the treadmill

00:00:47So I'm a little bit more fatigued than Tatum. I didn't think that we would have a situation

00:00:51Where both Jacoby Brissett and Drake May who only played one series in the Patriots preseason game would play more than Jason Tatum

00:00:59But here we are

00:01:00Don't get me started on that freaking Patriots game and the utter complete waste of time of watching

00:01:06Whatever it was an hour and a half of Bailey's happy who shouldn't even be on this roster

00:01:11At least they haven't and sorry if anyone's late to the party on this at least they finally rectified the Juju Smith Schuster

00:01:18Situation and released him earlier today

00:01:19I don't even know how he broke minicamp with this team, but whatever. This is not Patriots beat

00:01:24This is Celtics beat and as of right now, I guess this is kind of USA beat

00:01:28This is the team that is center stage for everybody gold medal game barely barely

00:01:34It was almost the bronze medal game gold medal game

00:01:38after edging coming back

00:01:40Defeating Nicola Jokic and the Serbia squad to set up a date with Victor Wembenyama the future of the NBA in many ways the present

00:01:47As well in France on the other side and you bring up the Jason Tatum thing

00:01:51I'll be it in jest one thing that is it does not seem to be in jest from a lot of people that I

00:01:57Wouldn't really say Barrett and Evan the you know people I've talked to necessarily but definitely people that I've seen on social media

00:02:03Actively rooting on the French in the gold medal game out of pure

00:02:08Allegiance maybe to Jason Tatum or just being pissed off with Team USA and Steve Kerr or whatever it is

00:02:14Maybe they just want to see something different

00:02:16I can't really imagine actively rooting against your country, but that is what people are doing some people and I personally

00:02:23Just don't I I can't be I can't care. I I just I really don't care

00:02:28I realize that sounds very un-american. I don't mean the Tatum thing. I mean if the US wins great

00:02:33I mean that all they're doing at that point in time is

00:02:36Kind of like the Celtics last year right doing their job doing what they were supposed to do

00:02:41That's what Team USA is supposed to do

00:02:43They are supposed to win the gold

00:02:45Shouldn't have even been close against Serbia should have been another blowout on the way to 5-0 and now France

00:02:51You know, it's a whole lot

00:02:53We pick Wemby and company to cover the spread and yada yada yada, but as far as Tatum goes

00:02:59Man, I mean, this is a weird situation five games two DNP CDs did not play coaches decision

00:03:07Limited minutes and some others he did start at one point in time

00:03:12We see this game against Serbia when Team USA is down by 17 points

00:03:17You absolutely could have made a viable case for one of the top players in the world

00:03:21And I realize that's true of all of these guys

00:03:23But I mean a top five player in the world coming off a championship and a brand new 300 plus million dollar

00:03:30Contract to have maybe given you a little bit of a boost a little bit of a lift off the bench

00:03:34Maybe he could have changed things up at Steve Kerr and we'll give you the quotes in a bit has come out and said

00:03:39It's a math problem. It's nothing against Tatum personally some people

00:03:43You know conspiracy theorists like to disagree, but it's nothing about Tatum personally

00:03:47It's a math problem with Kevin Durant being Kevin Durant. There's just no room for Jason Tatum

00:03:54What do you make of this whole thing? Because I think this is an embarrassment in terms of coaching on the part of Kerr

00:04:01Yeah, it's an interesting situation

00:04:03So I'm trying to figure out the reason that Kerr isn't playing him

00:04:08The first thing that I've seen thrown out there. The theory is like, oh Tatum likes to hold on to the ball

00:04:14I don't think that's the case because they're playing Anthony Edwards, right? Anthony Edwards is a ball-dominant guy too. So I don't think that's it

00:04:20I think it's that Tatum has struggled to sort of find a shot right going back to the playoffs and I do think it's interesting

00:04:26My boss Bill Simmons had the theory that he's not like jumping forward on his jump shot

00:04:31And I I'm thinking about it

00:04:33I'm like, well, what about when he turned his ankle against Spam in the playoffs, right?

00:04:37And he shot the three poorly in the playoffs

00:04:39That's four games into the postseason because if you look at the last 48 regular season games

00:04:44Tatum hit the 14th most threes in the NBA and he shot 39.4%

00:04:48So he was actually shooting at a high level for the majority of last season

00:04:52He had the poor start to the season shooting the three and then he got on fire

00:04:55I think it's more about shooting than anything else because we know how the Warriors dynasty was sort of created

00:05:01But the thing that I just can't get over here is I felt like the whole idea of having Team USA compared to these other teams is the depth of the team, right?

00:05:11So and I'm not defending Steve Kerr's decision here not to play Jason Tatum

00:05:15But for example, let's say in the game on what was it now Thursday?

00:05:22Anthony Edwards isn't playing well, Anthony Edwards is actually playing poorly

00:05:25He had one foul that was awful

00:05:27He had a really bad turnover in that game

00:05:29I believe he finished with what two points, two fouls and two turnovers

00:05:32Like he was legitimately bad in the game

00:05:34Well, then why in the second half can't you go to Jason Tatum, especially considering the fact that how was Serbia killing you?

00:05:42They were hitting a million threes, right?

00:05:44So what's the way to sort of take the three ball away?

00:05:47Oh, a switching defense, which the Celtics are one of the switchiest teams in the NBA

00:05:52Jason Tatum, him and Bam Adebayo are the most versatile defenders on the team

00:05:57I would put Tatum and Bam ahead of Anthony Davis when it comes to that perspective

00:06:01I think Bam can hold up a little better against guards

00:06:04So why wouldn't you turn to Tatum then?

00:06:06So that would be the first point is it just doesn't make sense like, oh, there's not room for Tatum

00:06:10He is arguably the most versatile player on the entire team

00:06:14And secondarily, and maybe this is going to sound a little homerish, but they came into the tournament

00:06:21Steve Kerr came into training camp, I should say

00:06:23And remember Tatum was late getting there because Tatum was, you know, celebrating his championship and signing, you know, the richest contract in the history of the NBA

00:06:31If you look at the stars of the team, right, LeBron, Curry and Durant

00:06:37And I would say they have, I know he beats out one game

00:06:40I know he beats out one game, but they plan to start and beat all the time because they recruited him, right?

00:06:45Like he, there was a possibility that he went to the French team

00:06:48Okay, so Steve Kerr's plan and they said it

00:06:52Grant Hill said, hey, if LeBron and Curry and Curry was awesome, obviously he saved them

00:06:57If those guys want to be on the team, they're on the team

00:06:59And he said Embiid, LeBron and Curry are starting every game

00:07:03Steve Kerr said that at the beginning of this whole thing

00:07:05Now one game he, of course, didn't play Embiid

00:07:08Okay, so if you look at that and we know Durant who broke the record, he's going to get his playing time

00:07:13So if that's the case, if those are going to be the featured players, because that had been determined by the head coach of the team

00:07:19He determined that before the tournament, before training camp started

00:07:22Jason Tatum is the next guy up in terms of his stature on the team

00:07:26He's the only guy on the team right now that has made three consecutive first team All-NBAs

00:07:30He's the only guy on the team that is coming off a championship

00:07:33He's the only guy on the team that just led the NBA Finals in points, rebounds and assists

00:07:38I think and maybe this conversation was had

00:07:41He should have been told, hey, these are going to be the featured players

00:07:46Because the reality is Tatum is an on the ball player

00:07:49And I'm not saying he can't play off the ball, he can

00:07:51But we just saw him play point guard throughout the NBA playoffs

00:07:55And in particular in the NBA Finals

00:07:58He was the point guard for the Celtics on offense

00:08:00And he was the center on defense

00:08:02All these other guys like Booker can find a role because he's a shooter, right?

00:08:05He's an outstanding shooter

00:08:06Drew and Derek White are basically playing the same roles they have

00:08:10Bam is not going to be a featured offensive player

00:08:12Anthony Davis is not going to be a featured offensive player

00:08:15I think there should have been a conversation with Jason Tatum

00:08:18Because if I was Tatum, I'd be thinking, wait, hold on

00:08:21I averaged the second most points on the team that just won the gold medal

00:08:24Not even four years ago, three years ago, because of COVID

00:08:27I had, what, 19 points coming off the bench in the gold medal game

00:08:31I scored the second most points

00:08:32I think there should have been more of a conversation with Tatum before he went there

00:08:35Because from a Celtics perspective, the guy just played 97 games

00:08:39It was pointless for him to go to this thing and for this to be the storyline

00:08:43Mm-hmm

00:08:44And before you go, I'll just give you the Steve Kerr quote

00:08:47And this is courtesy of Tim Reynolds

00:08:49Sorry for being so long there, but I had to get a lot off my chest

00:08:51All good information, all good, you know, thoughts, obviously

00:08:54Kerr said, it's not what I'm seeing from Jason

00:08:57It's what I'm seeing from the other guys

00:09:00Like I've said so many times during this tournament, the last six weeks

00:09:03It's just hard to play 11 people, even in an NBA game

00:09:07It's not about anything Jason is doing or not doing

00:09:10It's just about combinations and the way the group has played together

00:09:13The way Kevin has filled in since he came back from his injury

00:09:16It's just a math problem more than anything else, as I alluded to before, obviously

00:09:20So that is where it is

00:09:21Ev, I think we should go with this, really

00:09:24Because this is the biggest thing

00:09:25It's not the, you know, is Tatum butthurt about this

00:09:29And does he have a right to be, and he does, obviously

00:09:32You know, he should have some sort of role

00:09:34I mean, throw him out there for five, eight minutes, whatever

00:09:37Like within a 40-minute game and the 200 minutes or whatever it is

00:09:40You know, that you've got, whatever the math, I don't know

00:09:43You've got time to play Jason Tatum in each of these games

00:09:47All of these guys, this isn't about Tatum, Halliburton, Embiid

00:09:50Anyone else who's been a DNPCD

00:09:52You've got room for all of these guys, especially during these blowouts

00:09:56You want to tighten your rotation during a close game against Serbia, so be it

00:10:00But every other step along the way, you have had the room, obviously

00:10:04To make, you know, an opportunity for Tatum or whoever else

00:10:07But the last thing that Barrett said, Ev, is, I think, the biggest

00:10:11Which is the Celtics, everyone, White, Holiday

00:10:15Everyone on that roster already has a shortened offseason

00:10:19Because of playing upwards of 100 games and the run to the championship

00:10:23They start early because they go to Dubai for this game

00:10:27Or games, and then, you know, come back around, obviously

00:10:31And the lead-in to the regular season, then it all starts again

00:10:34You have a very abbreviated time to sort of sit back and catch your breath

00:10:39And if you are Holiday and you are White and you have a real opportunity there

00:10:43And you're playing considerable minutes, fine, you're not part of this conversation

00:10:47But if you're Tatum, really just kind of getting your work in during practices

00:10:51And, you know, hanging out with these guys and, yeah, it's an opportunity

00:10:55And I'm sure it's an unbelievable one and you got your family there and Deuce and everything

00:10:59But you think that a part of him, at least, wouldn't rather just be kicking it at home

00:11:03And taking a break after the grueling year that he had

00:11:06And what he still has in front of him versus this?

00:11:10Yeah, I think there's maybe some pressure of trying to be

00:11:14Because we're looking for the new face of the NBA

00:11:17And people are gravitating towards certain people

00:11:20Anthony Edwards is everybody's flavor of the week at this particular point

00:11:23But I think Tatum maybe carries that a little bit with him

00:11:26Like, hey, I have the signature shoe, I have the championship, I'm the cover of Sports Illustrated

00:11:31I need to do this to keep my stature as the next guy in this league

00:11:37And to be not played at all in two games is crazy

00:11:41And Barrett brought up, like, they were getting absolutely trounced in the first half

00:11:45At what point do you say, hey, we need to try something different here

00:11:48And maybe put some different people out there

00:11:50The thing that bothers me is, like, yes, the reason why Tatum isn't playing

00:11:54Is because he's not shooting the ball very well

00:11:56Well, it's really hard to shoot the ball very well when you have no rhythm at all

00:11:59You know what I mean? Like, he's not out there playing to get into rhythm

00:12:02I know the ball sometimes can be tough to get used to and depth perception and all that stuff

00:12:07But after a while, like, he's one of the best players in the league

00:12:10He's going to figure it out, and to not have the opportunity to, I think is frustrating

00:12:14And it's frustrating a lot of people

00:12:16Like, you know, you saw Tatum's mom going nuts, quote, you know, quote tweeting

00:12:20Dick Vitale trying to, like, figure this out, you know what I mean?

00:12:23She was quoting Greeny even

00:12:25It's frustrating because, you know, I think Brian's point of

00:12:30There should have been a discussion of, like, what everybody's role is

00:12:34And I feel like a lot of times there's no discussion at all

00:12:38About what everybody's supposed to be doing here

00:12:40I mean, there are definitely enough pieces on this team to make this work a little bit better

00:12:44I mean, I know you probably want the ball in Durant's hands

00:12:47But Durant's also, like, a pretty awesome just stand-alone shooter if you want to

00:12:50Derek White's an excellent shooter

00:12:52Halliburton, I know, is not a great defensive player, but he can shoot

00:12:55You know, Holliday, I mean, you can get on the line here, or you can go on and on

00:12:58What's really frustrating to me, and somebody pointed this out yesterday

00:13:02And I still can't quite wrap my head around this, boys

00:13:05Maybe either of you can help me

00:13:08And I haven't watched every game, so just flat out

00:13:10I have not watched every second of every game of the USA

00:13:12I apologize

00:13:15Have we seen, and this is, like, off of a

00:13:19What do all these teams have in common?

00:13:21They play a lot more together than Team USA does

00:13:24They have more time, et cetera, except they build chemistry

00:13:26That's why it seems to be easier for these guys

00:13:29If you're Steve Kerr, why wouldn't you play the three guys

00:13:32Derek White, Drew Holliday, and Jason Tame together

00:13:34They would have played more basketball together than any of these teams

00:13:37Like, any of these guys combined

00:13:39Like, they had just won the most games in the regular season together

00:13:43They won the NBA championship

00:13:45They've played over, as you said, Kaufman, over a hundred games together

00:13:49Right?

00:13:50And yet, these three guys haven't shared the court at the same time together

00:13:54In a single game?

00:13:56How is that a plan?

00:13:57Like, how does, and you guys watch

00:14:00Like, I was watching yesterday

00:14:01Drew Holliday did his thing where he leaves his assignment to go double someone

00:14:06I believe it was Jokic on the baseline on the left side

00:14:09He comes down, right, to double Jokic

00:14:11Jokic is crazy because he can steal everything

00:14:14And he just throws the ball to the top of the key where Drew's guy was

00:14:16But nobody went to go recover where Drew left a vacant spot

00:14:21And everybody's just standing around watching

00:14:22I think it was Bogdanovich hit another open three-point shot

00:14:25It was, like, one of these things where the chemistry sometimes would help

00:14:29And Steve Kerr has just thrown that out the window

00:14:32Like, we don't need chemistry

00:14:33They're so lucky

00:14:34Steve Kerr is lucky that Steph went off

00:14:37LeBron dialed it back to really carry the team on his back for a while

00:14:43And Embiid finally had a moment throughout this entire summer

00:14:47Finally had a second

00:14:48If those three things don't happen

00:14:50This is a ginormous collapse

00:14:53And Kerr has to eat a ton of crow, right?

00:14:55Instead, everything works out

00:14:57We're on to the French team and then the gold medal game

00:15:01I can't fathom for the life of me, boys

00:15:04How they haven't clicked to that at all whatsoever

00:15:07I'm sitting here looking at Steve Kerr saying

00:15:10Dude, the answer is sitting right in the face

00:15:13You can get all these guys' exposure if you want to

00:15:16But to not play Barrett

00:15:17To not play the three Celtics

00:15:19Who just won the NBA title

00:15:20Any minutes together, to me, is mind-blowing

00:15:25Yeah, and whenever Tatum's played with Derek White

00:15:27Those minutes have gone well

00:15:29Which shouldn't shock anybody

00:15:30Because they're always up in the top tier

00:15:32In terms of plus-minus, those two guys

00:15:35So it would have been interesting to play those guys

00:15:37But I really do think it's the shooting

00:15:40And maybe Kerr looks back at the playoff

00:15:42Sort of performance from Tatum

00:15:44Not shooting a three-well

00:15:45Even though the Celtics won a championship

00:15:46I think that really is the reason

00:15:48But the reason I just bring up the fact that

00:15:50If you look at Tatum's stature

00:15:53Compared to everybody else

00:15:54And what he did on the last Olympic team

00:15:56And also his standing in the NBA right now

00:15:59So if you're going into the 2024-2025 season

00:16:03Tatum is the best player on that team

00:16:06He's the best player on that team

00:16:07LeBron and Curry are older

00:16:09At this particular point in time

00:16:10We saw last year, Curry faded down

00:16:12The second half of the season

00:16:13The only possible...

00:16:14And Embiid, until we see him actually prove it

00:16:17In the postseason

00:16:18You're not taking Embiid over Jason Tatum

00:16:20Maybe you say, hey

00:16:21Embiid could be a better regular season player

00:16:23And win the MVP, fine

00:16:24But we've seen some of Embiid's issues

00:16:28When we get to the postseason

00:16:29Like, I don't know

00:16:30Game 7 against the Celtics

00:16:31When he gave up more points

00:16:33As the primary defender

00:16:34Than points he actually scored

00:16:35Because they just exposed him

00:16:37In terms of the drop coverage

00:16:38That wasn't it

00:16:39By the way, Embiid had his moment

00:16:40The seven straight points

00:16:41He was also part of the reason

00:16:43A big part of the reason they fell behind

00:16:45Because of the drop coverage

00:16:46That they were just hitting all those shots

00:16:48So the fact that they didn't use

00:16:50The 6'10", most versatile defender on the team

00:16:53That's irritating to me in that game

00:16:54Because Serbia scored 91

00:16:56Everyone points to the shooting

00:16:57They still scored 91 points

00:16:59And they were generating a lot of good shots

00:17:01And Tatum could have helped

00:17:02When it came to that

00:17:03I would imagine he'd be motivated

00:17:04Because he's had really

00:17:05Outside of the 10 and 10 performance

00:17:07He hasn't done much

00:17:08And the other thing that I would say

00:17:10As it pertains to Tatum

00:17:11Is, if he knew all this

00:17:13Maybe he says, hey

00:17:14I take this summer off

00:17:15I'll come back and be the face of the team in 2028

00:17:18Now I wonder

00:17:19Like, whoa

00:17:202028 rolls around

00:17:22Anthony Edwards is probably

00:17:24Going to be given the team

00:17:25He's going to be the face of the team

00:17:27But you start to think about it

00:17:29Team USA, they kind of

00:17:31We'll see some of these young guys coming up

00:17:33The Cooper flags of the world, etc.

00:17:35But Tatum sort of needs to be

00:17:37On that team for Team USA

00:17:39You look at Canada

00:17:40And I know Jamal Murray

00:17:41That's a whole different story

00:17:42How bad he was

00:17:43But Shea is going to be back

00:17:44And Shea just finished runner-up

00:17:46To the MVP

00:17:47Nembhardt was awesome

00:17:48Nembhardt was awesome for that team

00:17:49Outside of the elimination game

00:17:51Like, that's a team with a lot of talent

00:17:52They just have to find some big guys

00:17:54Now, Wemby at that point

00:17:55Is probably going to be

00:17:56The MVP of the NBA, you would think

00:17:58Even though he's not really scoring

00:17:59And they don't really have a ton of

00:18:00Or, although the dancing bear

00:18:02Has been going off of them

00:18:03They don't really have a lot of

00:18:04Depth on that team

00:18:05They don't really have a lot of guards

00:18:06And we'll see where Germany's at

00:18:07At that point in time

00:18:09But if I'm Jason Tatum

00:18:10If Kerr's the coach

00:18:11I'm fucking done

00:18:12Oh, I don't know

00:18:13Can you swear on this pod?

00:18:14Sorry, maybe you can

00:18:15You can when we're talking about this, Barrett

00:18:17Yeah, you're good

00:18:18All right, I didn't

00:18:19I forgot if we swore on this pod or not

00:18:21But if I'm Tatum, I wouldn't

00:18:22You swear on your pod?

00:18:23You should

00:18:24Yeah, I swear on my pod

00:18:25From time

00:18:26I tried at the beginning

00:18:27When I first did it

00:18:28My mom's like, you're swearing too much

00:18:29I'm like, all right

00:18:30I got to cut it back a little bit

00:18:31When it feels necessary

00:18:33And you know what?

00:18:34Right there, it did

00:18:35That just slipped

00:18:36But so my point being

00:18:37Like, if you guys were Tatum

00:18:38And Kerr's the coach in 2028

00:18:39Would you play for him?

00:18:40I certainly wouldn't

00:18:41If they give it a spolster

00:18:43Or Luke takes over

00:18:44Maybe I would

00:18:45Maybe it's not their decision

00:18:46But like, I would not be playing for Kerr

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00:20:51Let me tie these two things together

00:20:53Kind of what you're talking about

00:20:54With is Kerr going to be the coach

00:20:56And what you were talking about, Ev

00:20:57In terms of why aren't

00:20:59White Tatum, Holiday

00:21:00As a trio seeing the floor together

00:21:03So I don't know if you guys saw this

00:21:05We certainly haven't mentioned it

00:21:06Although Ev did bring up the

00:21:08Sports Illustrated issue

00:21:10And cover and all of that earlier

00:21:12There were two guys

00:21:13We know, we had Chris Mannix

00:21:14On with us recently

00:21:15There were two guys that were

00:21:16Featured in that article

00:21:17Tatum was one

00:21:18The other, Bob Cousy

00:21:20Well, Cousy has talked about this

00:21:21With Dan Shaughnessy

00:21:23In the Boston Globe

00:21:24And here's what Cous had to say

00:21:26Tatum's on the cover of

00:21:27Sports Illustrated this month

00:21:28Any experts that I have read lately

00:21:30Have chosen him in the top five

00:21:31Sometimes number one

00:21:32In the bleeping world

00:21:34Now Kerr is telling the world

00:21:35He doesn't agree

00:21:36In a 40 minute game

00:21:37If you can't find five minutes

00:21:39To play somebody on the team

00:21:40Without hurting yourself

00:21:41When Kerr did it last week

00:21:42He was in no danger of losing the game

00:21:44But in this case

00:21:45They got down by 17 points

00:21:47And he's got to worry about

00:21:48Losing the game

00:21:49And then to not let Tatum

00:21:50Get off the bench

00:21:51To me, there's got to be

00:21:52Some kind of bias he has got

00:21:54Against the Celtics

00:21:56Let me ask you guys this

00:21:58Is what we've seen so far

00:22:01And I personally would lean more

00:22:04In this direction than the other

00:22:06Is it more coaching malpractice

00:22:08On the part of Steve Kerr and company

00:22:10But he's the head coach

00:22:11He's the face of this thing

00:22:12He's got to own it

00:22:13Or is there bias against the Celtics?

00:22:15I mean, I hesitate to see that

00:22:18Given the run that we see

00:22:19From Holliday and White

00:22:20But you guys tell me

00:22:22Does he want his guys being

00:22:24You know, Curry, formerly Durant

00:22:26To be more at the center stage

00:22:28Of this thing?

00:22:32You know, you can make the argument

00:22:34That they're just trying to let

00:22:35Curry and LeBron and Durant

00:22:37Get one more

00:22:38And have them be a part of this thing

00:22:40Yeah, because they're going to

00:22:41Age out, obviously

00:22:42Because this is it

00:22:43I mean, this is Curry's only

00:22:44Olympic appearance

00:22:45LeBron, he's, you know, been

00:22:47The guy forever

00:22:48And Durant's the all-time leading scorer

00:22:50In Olympic basketball history

00:22:51For Team USA

00:22:52So, like, obviously you have

00:22:53Some legends on this team

00:22:54And clearly, they

00:22:56And I'm not trying to say

00:22:57Those guys shouldn't be playing

00:22:58Because they legitimately won the game

00:23:00For Team USA yesterday

00:23:02Or on Thursday

00:23:03So, like, that's

00:23:04You can't really argue with it

00:23:06But the reliance on those guys

00:23:09I think is an interesting question

00:23:11Like, why is Curry sticking

00:23:13And, like, the Embiid point

00:23:15Is a fantastic one

00:23:16Sticking with Embiid

00:23:17If that guy gets double teamed

00:23:18He has no clue what to do

00:23:20And it's, like, growing

00:23:22Increasingly frustrating

00:23:23I watched that game

00:23:24And I can't believe

00:23:25Anthony Davis doesn't play more

00:23:26Because whenever the ball goes up

00:23:28Embiid, if the ball's not coming

00:23:30To him off the rebound

00:23:31He doesn't move

00:23:32He has cement feet

00:23:33Meanwhile, at least Anthony Davis

00:23:35Is trying to get a rebound

00:23:36And tip it out to somewhere

00:23:38At least Bam Adebayo

00:23:39Is trying to tip it out

00:23:40To some other guy

00:23:41Embiid just stands there

00:23:43And it drives me crazy

00:23:44Look, I don't think

00:23:46It's a Celtics

00:23:47Like, an anti-Celtics thing

00:23:50I don't think it's that

00:23:52I will say this

00:23:53Thank you to Team USA

00:23:55For providing some motivation

00:23:57For Jaylen and Jason

00:23:58As they come back

00:23:59To try and defend a title here

00:24:01Like, you know, Jaylen

00:24:02Obviously has got some issues

00:24:04With Team USA

00:24:05And now Tatum does

00:24:06So thank you very much, guys

00:24:07But, like, I think

00:24:09It's more of a Kerr thing

00:24:11And I think what's interesting

00:24:12Is to read the Golden State fan

00:24:15Perspective of this whole thing

00:24:17Because they've been dealing

00:24:18With this for a long time

00:24:20I mean, I'm not

00:24:21In that universe

00:24:23I'm not reading the discourse

00:24:24Of after every single game

00:24:26That Golden State has

00:24:27But Kerr's rotations

00:24:29Apparently have been a problem

00:24:30For a long time in Golden State

00:24:33And this is just more

00:24:34Illuminating of the fact

00:24:35That his rotations

00:24:36Are a little off

00:24:37And, like I said

00:24:39I think Curry and LeBron

00:24:40Specifically really bailed

00:24:42Kerr out yesterday

00:24:43Because if it doesn't go well

00:24:44And they lose

00:24:45Kerr's got to answer

00:24:46Way more questions

00:24:47About what he does

00:24:49And doesn't do

00:24:50As the coach of this team

00:24:51Yeah, well, I think

00:24:52It's with Kerr

00:24:53I don't think it's a specific

00:24:54Bias against the Celtics

00:24:56But I do think there's

00:24:58Sort of some

00:24:59Whether it's, like,

00:25:00Unconscious or not

00:25:01It's, um

00:25:02It's like a previous belief

00:25:03He had

00:25:04About Tatum, right?

00:25:05So if you go back

00:25:06To the 2022 Finals

00:25:08They had both

00:25:09Jalen and Tatum's number

00:25:11Right, where

00:25:12With Jalen

00:25:13It was foursome to his left hand

00:25:14And it was Tatum

00:25:15After this amount of dribbles

00:25:17We want to force him

00:25:18Off the three-point line

00:25:19We don't want him

00:25:20To get to the basket

00:25:21So it's like

00:25:22He figured out a game plan

00:25:23How to stop Tatum

00:25:24Although that was two years ago

00:25:25He was a much better player

00:25:26And I think he sees Tatum

00:25:27Going back to this whole

00:25:28Ball stopper thing

00:25:29As, like, not his

00:25:30Typical type of player

00:25:31Like, if you look at

00:25:32Sort of, although he did

00:25:33Trade for Shaq

00:25:34But you look at the

00:25:35Steve Nash era

00:25:36Where the ball is fine around

00:25:37And if you look at

00:25:38Some of those, like

00:25:39Role players

00:25:40Because he's looking for Tatum

00:25:41To be a role player

00:25:42On this team

00:25:43If he is going to play, right?

00:25:44You think about

00:25:45The Andre Iguodalas

00:25:46The Sean Livingston

00:25:47Remember when he was there

00:25:48Like, those guys

00:25:49Are just, like, really

00:25:50Quick decision makers, right?

00:25:51So I think that's part of it

00:25:52With Curtis

00:25:53He just doesn't see Tatum

00:25:54Fitting into the way

00:25:55That he wants basketball

00:25:57To be played

00:25:58Even if it's wrong

00:25:59I think that's what it is

00:26:00I think it's a bias on

00:26:01Sort of, Tatum's game

00:26:03But the one thing

00:26:04I'll say about Kerr

00:26:05Is ever since that finals

00:26:07That he beat the Celtics in

00:26:09Let's acknowledge, like

00:26:10This dude has lost his fastball

00:26:12I mean, he had

00:26:13And I'm not blaming him

00:26:14For this happening

00:26:15But he lost his team

00:26:16Two years ago

00:26:17They, remember

00:26:18They couldn't win

00:26:19Like, on the road

00:26:20It was a complete debacle

00:26:21They had the Jordan Pool

00:26:22Draymond situation

00:26:23They couldn't win

00:26:24Any games on the road

00:26:25That team completely

00:26:26Fell apart

00:26:27And then you go to

00:26:28This past season

00:26:29To Valenti's point

00:26:30About his rotations

00:26:31He wouldn't play Kaminga

00:26:33Until Kaminga called out

00:26:34The coaching staff

00:26:35Kaminga turned out to be

00:26:36The second best player

00:26:37On the team

00:26:38And look, I'm not blaming him

00:26:39For the Draymond issues

00:26:40We know Draymond

00:26:41Missed a bunch of time

00:26:42As well

00:26:43But it also took him a while

00:26:44To get to trace

00:26:45Jackson Davis

00:26:46When anybody watching

00:26:47Kavon Looney this year

00:26:48Knew that Kavon Looney

00:26:50Like, couldn't move anymore

00:26:52Okay?

00:26:53And we know how important

00:26:54He was to the dynasty

00:26:55They built

00:26:56He was awesome in the series

00:26:57And the Celtics

00:26:58I still think the guy's

00:26:59Getting offensive rebounds

00:27:00Against the Celtics

00:27:01And the other thing

00:27:02That Kerr did

00:27:03Specifically this year

00:27:05And this kind of goes

00:27:06Full circle back

00:27:07To the whole Celtics point

00:27:09He actually thought

00:27:11Draymond Green's strategy

00:27:13Against the Celtics

00:27:15Was a good strategy

00:27:17To just leave

00:27:18Jalen Brown open

00:27:19Because of his

00:27:20Three point percentage

00:27:22Those weren't

00:27:23His three point percentage

00:27:24Isn't just on

00:27:25Wide open threes

00:27:26He's an NBA player

00:27:27If you leave him open

00:27:29He's going to hit

00:27:31Basically walk through

00:27:32Jump shots

00:27:33Or shoot around

00:27:34Jump shots

00:27:35Steve Kerr actually

00:27:36Went with that plan

00:27:37Like he was presented

00:27:38This plan

00:27:39Hey guys

00:27:40Let's just leave

00:27:41Jalen Brown open

00:27:42He thought it was

00:27:43A good idea

00:27:44Okay?

00:27:45So Steve Kerr

00:27:46From my perspective

00:27:47Has lost

00:27:48His fastball

00:27:49For the past two years

00:27:50Ever since they won

00:27:51That championship

00:27:52And remember

00:27:53I'm not saying

00:27:54He made the pick

00:27:55He made the pick

00:27:56For the past two years

00:27:57When they decided

00:27:58To draft James Wiseman

00:27:59I know it's weird

00:28:00In terms of

00:28:01The whole COVID situation

00:28:02But there's a million guys

00:28:03That went after him

00:28:04That could have

00:28:05Fit on that team

00:28:06That could have

00:28:07Helped that

00:28:08Propel that dynasty

00:28:09Going forward

00:28:10I know they got 22

00:28:11And they're always

00:28:12Going to have

00:28:1320-22

00:28:14And as I mentioned earlier

00:28:15He traded for Shaq

00:28:16On his team

00:28:17And made absolutely

00:28:18No sense to trade for Shaq

00:28:19Because it took away

00:28:20What they did well

00:28:21Which was

00:28:22Playing fast

00:28:23And getting shots up

00:28:25Because if they lose

00:28:26That game

00:28:27And Tatum doesn't play

00:28:28It's like

00:28:29Hold on

00:28:30Serbia just put up

00:28:3191 points on you

00:28:32And you have this guy

00:28:33That was just on

00:28:34The best defense

00:28:35In the playoffs

00:28:36And you didn't use him

00:28:37Like

00:28:38Didn't he cover centers

00:28:39In the playoffs?

00:28:40Like you didn't

00:28:41You didn't want to use him

00:28:42At all so

00:28:43I think Kerr's been

00:28:44Absolutely atrocious

00:28:45Throughout this run

00:28:46People are giving him

00:28:47Credit for his lineups

00:28:48I'm like

00:28:49Look at who's on the team

00:28:50Like how difficult

00:28:51This situation

00:28:52When did the lineups

00:28:53When you mentioned

00:28:54LeBron was awesome

00:28:55Curry was awesome

00:28:56In that game

00:28:57The starting lineup

00:28:58The reason they got

00:28:59Into that hole

00:29:00The starting lineup

00:29:01Amazingly

00:29:02With Drew Holiday

00:29:03Out there right

00:29:04The starting lineup

00:29:05Is not good on defense

00:29:06How many plus

00:29:07And look

00:29:08LeBron's tipped up

00:29:09His defense

00:29:10Part of the reason

00:29:11They won is because

00:29:12LeBron took on

00:29:13The Jokic matchup late

00:29:14So Embiid could

00:29:15Kind of like

00:29:16Zone up behind him

00:29:17And help out at the basket

00:29:18Who's a plus defender

00:29:19Right now in the

00:29:20Starting lineup?

00:29:21Drew Holiday

00:29:22That's it

00:29:23Booker's not a plus defender

00:29:24Curry is

00:29:25At this point

00:29:26In his career

00:29:27Well below average

00:29:28Remember Carlick Jones

00:29:29Earlier in the tournament

00:29:30Just absolutely

00:29:31Cooked the guy

00:29:32In pool play

00:29:33They don't have

00:29:34Embiid can be

00:29:35Sort of

00:29:36You can take advantage

00:29:37Of Embiid in this

00:29:38With the drop coverage

00:29:39With all the shooting

00:29:40From some of these

00:29:41Other teams

00:29:42So part of the reason

00:29:43They're in that hole

00:29:44Is because

00:29:45The combination

00:29:46Was not a good

00:29:47Combination defensively

00:29:48Even if

00:29:49That combination

00:29:50With Durant at the end

00:29:51Of the hole

00:29:52Is because the

00:29:53Defense is so bad

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00:31:56Let's go back to the motivation thing too

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00:32:11Holding it against Nike

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00:32:20You know

00:32:21This is just another thing

00:32:22To fire up Tatum

00:32:23And you know

00:32:24Helmsbach

00:32:25I guess for both of these guys

00:32:27Right

00:32:28Like with Brown it's

00:32:29You know

00:32:30He wasn't all NBA

00:32:31He

00:32:32You know

00:32:33Wasn't named to

00:32:34Team USA

00:32:35And has had all of this

00:32:36Sort of drama

00:32:37And people questioning his

00:32:39What kind of guy he is

00:32:41All the Stephen A. Smith stuff

00:32:43And he's not marketable

00:32:44And guys don't necessarily

00:32:45Like him

00:32:46And on and on

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00:32:48He doesn't win MVP

00:32:49And I don't mean

00:32:50In the league

00:32:51I mean

00:32:52Conference finals

00:32:53Or NBA finals

00:32:54He is of course

00:32:55First team all NBA

00:32:56And he is on Team USA

00:32:57But now he's not playing

00:32:58All that much

00:32:59And he gets benched

00:33:00In two games

00:33:01In limited minutes elsewhere

00:33:02And who knows

00:33:03If he's gonna play

00:33:04Or however much

00:33:05In the gold medal game

00:33:06Against France

00:33:07And you know

00:33:08Basically does the concept

00:33:09Of extra motivation exist

00:33:10And Helmsbach is of the mind

00:33:11That no

00:33:12It doesn't

00:33:13You know

00:33:14If you're giving 100%

00:33:15You're giving 100%

00:33:16You can't go to 110

00:33:17Like it doesn't exist

00:33:18You know

00:33:19People like to say

00:33:20I'm giving 110%

00:33:21That's not a thing

00:33:22You're either giving 100%

00:33:23Or you're not

00:33:24But

00:33:25I don't know

00:33:26To me

00:33:27Ev, Barrett, whoever

00:33:28Like there's a

00:33:29There's a middle ground there

00:33:30That does exist

00:33:31To where

00:33:32You know

00:33:33You can certainly

00:33:34Brady

00:33:35Tom Brady

00:33:36Talked about it all the time

00:33:37Throughout his 20 plus years

00:33:38In the league

00:33:39Of their

00:33:40You know

00:33:41Always being motivated

00:33:42By being number 199

00:33:43Or something

00:33:44To get pissed about

00:33:45There was a chip on his shoulder

00:33:46For some reason

00:33:47I think that is very true

00:33:48Of a lot of professional athletes

00:33:49Not just the great ones

00:33:50But even

00:33:51You know

00:33:52Michael Jordan

00:33:53Would always see

00:33:54There was

00:33:55In the

00:33:56The last dance

00:33:57The bulls thing

00:33:58People talking about

00:33:59You know

00:34:00How

00:34:01How Jordan

00:34:02Even if there wasn't

00:34:03A critic

00:34:04There wasn't a naysayer

00:34:05He would make one up

00:34:06In his own mind

00:34:07Just to find that

00:34:08Extra gear

00:34:09I mean

00:34:10Is

00:34:11Celtics fans want to believe

00:34:12That they have a

00:34:13Warpath

00:34:14This coming season

00:34:15That all of this

00:34:16Crap

00:34:17Has only

00:34:18Further fueled

00:34:19Boston to banner 19

00:34:20Do you guys agree

00:34:21With that concept

00:34:22Or do you think

00:34:23That's just something

00:34:24That we say

00:34:25To make ourselves

00:34:26Feel good

00:34:27No I agree with this

00:34:28100%

00:34:29Again

00:34:30Watching Tom Brady

00:34:31Do it for 20 years

00:34:32You have a front row seat

00:34:33For it

00:34:34You know

00:34:35It's not easy

00:34:36To win championships

00:34:37In any league

00:34:38That you participate in

00:34:39And it's really hard

00:34:40To go back to back

00:34:41Sometimes

00:34:42You need a little

00:34:43Extra motivation

00:34:44A little extra push

00:34:45To

00:34:46Do something

00:34:47You normally

00:34:48Wouldn't do

00:34:49Something out of your

00:34:50Comfort zone

00:34:51You need someone

00:34:52Telling you that

00:34:53You can't do this again

00:34:54What's been the biggest

00:34:55Topic

00:34:56One of the biggest

00:34:57Topics is

00:34:58There hasn't been

00:34:59A repeat champion

00:35:00Since Golden State

00:35:01Nobody can really

00:35:02Do this anymore

00:35:03With the current

00:35:04NBA rules

00:35:05Etc

00:35:06All those things

00:35:07You can take

00:35:08And file away

00:35:09And be like

00:35:10I'll say

00:35:11With Tatum and Brown

00:35:12Like they haven't

00:35:13Needed

00:35:14Maybe that's

00:35:15The wrong way

00:35:16To put it

00:35:17Obviously

00:35:18A lot of things

00:35:19Came out after

00:35:20They lost to Golden State

00:35:21In the finals

00:35:22On their home floor

00:35:23And how much that

00:35:24Motivated them

00:35:25For the next season

00:35:26Right

00:35:27Cause they're like

00:35:28We hated hearing

00:35:29The Warriors

00:35:30Celebrate in our

00:35:31Locker rooms

00:35:32Like in Boston

00:35:33And drove us nuts

00:35:34And obviously

00:35:35They got to the

00:35:36Eastern Conference

00:35:37Finals

00:35:38And Tatum rolls his

00:35:39Ass off

00:35:40Tatum and Brown

00:35:41Have always

00:35:42Come back

00:35:43The next season

00:35:44Like a little bit

00:35:45Better or in certain

00:35:46Cases a lot better

00:35:47Than they were the

00:35:48Year prior

00:35:49So I don't know

00:35:50If they need

00:35:51The extra motivation

00:35:52To come back

00:35:53And be stronger

00:35:54But this certainly

00:35:55Doesn't like

00:35:56It's not a

00:35:57Hindrance

00:35:58To them

00:35:59Maybe

00:36:00Cause you know

00:36:01Jalen used to

00:36:02Put out videos

00:36:03Of him being in

00:36:04The lab

00:36:05Working on stuff

00:36:06Working with T-Mac

00:36:07You know

00:36:08He would always

00:36:09Post videos

00:36:10From that kind of

00:36:11Stuff

00:36:12With Tatum

00:36:13You always know

00:36:14He's working out

00:36:15With Hamlin

00:36:16Cause Hamlin's

00:36:17Always posting things

00:36:18Right

00:36:19So these guys

00:36:20Obviously put in the

00:36:21Work in the off season

00:36:22But you know

00:36:23If you need a little

00:36:24Extra motivation

00:36:25To carry you

00:36:26To that next level

00:36:27I mean Kobe

00:36:28He's celebrated

00:36:29As an absolute

00:36:30Maniac

00:36:31Cause he's always

00:36:32Looking for some

00:36:33Edge to become

00:36:34Better

00:36:35You know

00:36:36He's waking up

00:36:38The guys

00:36:39I think on the

00:36:40O-18

00:36:41Were coming back

00:36:42From the club

00:36:43At like

00:36:44Four o'clock

00:36:45In the morning

00:36:46Or whatever

00:36:47And Kobe was getting

00:36:48Up to go to the gym

00:36:49And it's like

00:36:50Oh that's the kind

00:36:51Of work ethic

00:36:52We need to

00:36:53Become that next

00:36:54Level guy

00:36:55It all comes in

00:36:56Different shapes

00:36:57And sizes

00:36:58And flavors

00:36:59But I certainly

00:37:00Don't think this is

00:37:01A hindrance

00:37:02To those two guys

00:37:03Specifically coming

00:37:04Back and saying

00:37:05Screw all this

00:37:06Nobody thinking that

00:37:07We're good enough

00:37:08For anything

00:37:09You know

00:37:10I don't think it's

00:37:11A bad thing

00:37:12Compared to you

00:37:13No I think if it's

00:37:14A good thing

00:37:15I thought the whole

00:37:16The Jalen situation

00:37:17I thought was a little

00:37:18Bit odd

00:37:19Just because

00:37:20We didn't hear

00:37:21Anything about this

00:37:22Like when the

00:37:23Original team

00:37:24Was sort of

00:37:25They chose the

00:37:26Original team

00:37:27He wasn't mad

00:37:28About not being

00:37:29On the team

00:37:30And then it wasn't

00:37:31Until Derek White

00:37:32Was the replacement

00:37:33And I know like

00:37:34Derek White and him

00:37:35Look man he just won

00:37:36The finals MVP

00:37:37In the Eastern Conference

00:37:38Finals MVP

00:37:39Maybe he's just

00:37:40He's feeling really good

00:37:41So he wanted to say

00:37:42That it did

00:37:43And based on the way

00:37:44That they've sort of

00:37:45Handled Tatum

00:37:46I don't know what

00:37:47Type of role Jalen

00:37:48Would have had on this team

00:37:49Right?

00:37:50Because he's a guy

00:37:51That had the ball

00:37:52In his hands a lot

00:37:53And he's really

00:37:54A guy that's accustomed

00:37:55To having the ball

00:37:56So I don't know

00:37:57What his role

00:37:58Would have been on the team

00:37:59But he obviously

00:38:00If he's going to use

00:38:01This as motivation

00:38:02I'm fine with it

00:38:03I think the bigger

00:38:04The focus

00:38:05I think he was already

00:38:06Mad about that

00:38:07And then this

00:38:08Team USA thing

00:38:09Remember he said

00:38:10I don't win anything

00:38:11Or I don't win shit

00:38:12Or whatever it was

00:38:13When he won

00:38:14Eastern Conference

00:38:15Finals MVP

00:38:16And I don't know

00:38:17If I mentioned this

00:38:18Here before

00:38:19But basically

00:38:20They're the only team

00:38:21In NBA history

00:38:22That has won

00:38:2364 games

00:38:24And didn't have

00:38:25Either two

00:38:26All NBA guys

00:38:27Or have the MVP

00:38:28So it was one

00:38:29Or the other

00:38:30It's like

00:38:31Dirk in 07

00:38:32Right?

00:38:33He wins 64 games

00:38:34And only have one

00:38:35All NBA game

00:38:36All NBA guy

00:38:37As it pertains

00:38:38To Tatum

00:38:39I worry a little

00:38:40I do worry about

00:38:41The shot

00:38:42Like with the whole

00:38:43Drew Hanlon thing

00:38:44Like I wonder if they

00:38:45Like mess around

00:38:46With that thing

00:38:47Too much

00:38:48It seems like

00:38:49It's in his head

00:38:50What's ever going on

00:38:51Because he's too good

00:38:52Of a shooter

00:38:53To be shooting this poorly

00:38:54In the postseason

00:38:55And obviously

00:38:56The one that he shot

00:38:57Off the backboard

00:38:58In this tournament

00:38:59Is where

00:39:00But I do think

00:39:01There will be

00:39:02So Tatum

00:39:03And Jalen

00:39:04Are going to be

00:39:05Back to taking

00:39:06Pretty close

00:39:07To the amount of shots

00:39:08They were taking

00:39:09Two years ago

00:39:10Where they sacrificed

00:39:11A couple of shots

00:39:12Per game

00:39:13So I think those guys

00:39:14Their numbers could actually

00:39:15Go up

00:39:16And of course

00:39:17I think Derek White's

00:39:18Numbers will go up

00:39:19I think Drew will have

00:39:20More of an offensive role

00:39:21During the regular season

00:39:22Although Drew's the one guy

00:39:23Where I'm like

00:39:24Let's be careful

00:39:25With the minutes here

00:39:26Let's be careful

00:39:27With the games

00:39:28Just because he's

00:39:29A guy

00:39:30Outside of out

00:39:31There's the

00:39:32Team USA stuff

00:39:33Kaufman

00:39:34That you point out

00:39:35With Jalen and Tatum

00:39:36There's the

00:39:37All NBA stuff

00:39:38With Jalen

00:39:39And then

00:39:40The last sort of

00:39:41Part of this is

00:39:42Let's not forget

00:39:43What everybody was saying

00:39:44Like during the playoffs

00:39:45Remember everybody's

00:39:46Picking Dallas

00:39:47More ESPN experts

00:39:48Pick Dallas than

00:39:49The Celtics

00:39:50And everybody's

00:39:51Sort of idea with this is

00:39:52Oh they didn't play anybody

00:39:53All these teams had injuries

00:39:54And everybody dismissed

00:39:55The fact that

00:39:56A guy that averaged

00:39:5720 points per game

00:39:58For the Celtics

00:39:59Wasn't playing at all

00:40:00It's Donovan Mitchell

00:40:01Going down for Cleveland

00:40:02Right or Jimmy Butler

00:40:03Although

00:40:04We're never going to

00:40:05Beat the Celtics

00:40:06The Mavericks were healthy

00:40:07They had their guys

00:40:08When they were in the

00:40:09NBA finals

00:40:10And they just beat

00:40:11Minnesota who beat

00:40:12The defending champs

00:40:13If you want to go

00:40:14Like down that whole road

00:40:15But the other thing is

00:40:16And I hate to bring up

00:40:17A Warriors comparison

00:40:18Because we just

00:40:19I was just bashing

00:40:20Steve Kerr

00:40:21Remember this same

00:40:22Conversation happened

00:40:23With the Warriors

00:40:24After they won

00:40:25It was hey

00:40:26Kyrie didn't play

00:40:27Remember Kyrie got hurt

00:40:28In game one

00:40:29The Cavs actually had a lead

00:40:30They were up 2-1

00:40:31In that series

00:40:32And then the next year

00:40:33Now ultimately

00:40:34The Warriors didn't win

00:40:35The NBA championship

00:40:36But they broke the record

00:40:37For the most wins

00:40:38In NBA history

00:40:39It was almost like

00:40:40Scorched earth

00:40:41I think that the Celtics

00:40:42Will come out

00:40:43Sort of in that fashion

00:40:44Now I hope they're careful

00:40:45And I think Missoula

00:40:46Is really good about

00:40:47The minutes stuff

00:40:48Outside of Tatum and Brown

00:40:49Like sometimes

00:40:50Why is Tatum in the game

00:40:51When they're up 20

00:40:52But he's really good with Al

00:40:53And that's the scary thing

00:40:54About Porzingis

00:40:55Because they were really

00:40:56Careful with Porzingis

00:40:57And he still ended up

00:40:58Winning the championship

00:40:59But my point with all this

00:41:00Is I think like

00:41:01For a team that

00:41:02Won a championship

00:41:03It's usually like

00:41:04This coronation right

00:41:05Like oh

00:41:06Giannis had the

00:41:0750 point game

00:41:08He finally won a championship

00:41:09Look what Kawhi did

00:41:10With the Raptors right

00:41:11LeBron

00:41:12Look at what he did

00:41:13In Cleveland

00:41:14Like beating that team

00:41:15Coming back from the

00:41:16Crate

00:41:17Even the Lakers

00:41:18Where they won

00:41:19The Peach Jam

00:41:20That AAU tournament

00:41:21They had in the

00:41:22In the Orlando bubble

00:41:23They won that

00:41:24Like he gets all this

00:41:25Credit and says

00:41:26It's the best championship

00:41:27They've ever won

00:41:28Even though nobody

00:41:29Had to travel

00:41:30But anyway

00:41:31My point with this is

00:41:32The Celtics

00:41:33It sort of felt like

00:41:34The opposite right

00:41:35Like they

00:41:36They haven't really

00:41:37Like I think the

00:41:38Players feel that way

00:41:39But there's almost been

00:41:40Like Tatum gets

00:41:41Criticism for not winning

00:41:42The NBA finals MVP

00:41:43It's kind of like

00:41:44Similar to what

00:41:45Happened with Curry

00:41:46Back at the beginning

00:41:47Of his career

00:41:48So I do think

00:41:49There's going to be

00:41:50Sort of like this

00:41:51FU attitude

00:41:52That this team has

00:41:53Yeah I want to hop

00:41:54On that for a second

00:41:55Because I was thinking

00:41:56Everything that has to

00:41:57Surround the Celtics

00:41:58This whole year

00:41:59Has just been an

00:42:00Absolute nightmare

00:42:01From like just a

00:42:02Discourse standpoint

00:42:03Like all season

00:42:04I mean you guys saw

00:42:05It was like

00:42:06Oh you know

00:42:07It won't mean anything

00:42:08Unless they win the finals

00:42:09Like nothing mattered

00:42:10Right and then they

00:42:11Go to the playoffs

00:42:12It's like oh

00:42:13Everybody's hurt

00:42:14This doesn't matter

00:42:15It just feels like

00:42:16There's like a toxic

00:42:17Discussion around this team

00:42:18And like even on

00:42:19Team USA right

00:42:20Like if Tatum

00:42:21Doesn't play

00:42:22And that's the

00:42:23Biggest storyline

00:42:24Dude

00:42:25And I know

00:42:26We're in the

00:42:27Dead time of content

00:42:28Right they got

00:42:29Footballs back

00:42:30So we don't have

00:42:31To deal with this

00:42:32All the time

00:42:33But that story

00:42:34Was like the

00:42:35A-block of like

00:42:36First things first

00:42:37And first take

00:42:38And like everybody

00:42:39Had a comment on it

00:42:40And like it just

00:42:41To me

00:42:42It just seems

00:42:43Like there's a lot

00:42:44Of negativity

00:42:45Surrounding this team

00:42:46Right no matter

00:42:47What it is

00:42:48Like it's not

00:42:49Like Jason's

00:42:50Like a hard guy

00:42:51To root for

00:42:52You know what I mean

00:42:53He's a great dad

00:42:54He's never like

00:42:55Involved in anything

00:42:56Off the court

00:42:57That has to do

00:42:58Like poorly

00:42:59He's not like he's

00:43:00John and I'm not

00:43:01Trying to kill

00:43:02John Moran here

00:43:03He's just made

00:43:04Bad decisions

00:43:05But like he's not

00:43:06Like John Moran

00:43:07Out there like

00:43:08Flashing guns

00:43:09At nightclubs

00:43:10And things

00:43:11He's like pretty

00:43:12Like laid back

00:43:13Just plays basketball

00:43:14And is a great dad

00:43:15Like I

00:43:16I compared him

00:43:17To Tim Duncan

00:43:18Years ago

00:43:19Because it just

00:43:20Seems like he's

00:43:21The easiest guy

00:43:22To root for

00:43:23And there's just

00:43:24Negativity

00:43:25That follows him

00:43:26Everywhere

00:43:27And it's driving me crazy

00:43:28And now

00:43:29Here we have this thing

00:43:30We've talked about it

00:43:31For an hour

00:43:32Basically right

00:43:33We haven't even

00:43:34Talked about anything else

00:43:35We haven't talked about

00:43:36Yabusele

00:43:37Like finding a role

00:43:38With Team France

00:43:39Like was Danny right

00:43:40About that the whole time

00:43:41We haven't talked about

00:43:42The possible FSG stuff

00:43:43We've talked about

00:43:44Only about Jason Tatum

00:43:45In this one game

00:43:46For an hour

00:43:47Why is it like this boys

00:43:48Like why is it

00:43:49Help me out

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00:54:33The Wagner brothers are really good and Franz just,

00:54:36he wasn't good in the last game

00:54:38and he had been having an outstanding tournament,

00:54:40but those guys have a lot of athletic players,

00:54:42so I thought Germany would have had a chance.

00:54:43I just, I don't think they have enough offense

00:54:46to compete with the US

00:54:47and I actually think what they're gonna do defensively,

00:54:50and remember Embiid went, I think Embiid's,

00:54:53wasn't Embiid's 70-point game against Wembley?

00:54:56I believe it was, but I think what-

00:54:58Not against Gobert, because it was,

00:55:00well, no, no, you might be right, you're right.

00:55:03I think it was against Wembley,

00:55:04but I could be wrong on that,

00:55:05but I think that they're gonna put somebody else on Wembley.

00:55:10I don't think that it's gonna be Embiid.

00:55:13I think they may, we saw Lebron go at Jokic,

00:55:15I think they may try to get physical with Wembley

00:55:18and just have Embiid off the ball.

00:55:19I just, I don't think France has enough firepower

00:55:22to keep up with the US and quite frankly,

00:55:24I don't think they're gonna be able

00:55:25to stop the US offensively.

00:55:27Their tougher game was in the semifinals against Serbia,

00:55:31and I would say that's at least,

00:55:32it has to be in some capacity, a wake-up call for Team USA.

00:55:37I wish it was Germany to be, and look,

00:55:39the atmosphere is probably gonna be crazy, right,

00:55:41because they're playing at home.

00:55:43Obviously, the French crowd hates Embiid

00:55:45because Embiid was contemplating playing for them.

00:55:47So maybe the atmosphere helps France,

00:55:50like the home court advantage, but I just, I don't see.

00:55:53I wish it was Germany or Canada, quite frankly.

00:55:57Not excited, because France was so bad in pool play.

00:55:59The reason they're in this is because

00:56:01they got that stupid four-point play.

00:56:03Remember that?

00:56:04At the end of the Japan game, they got a stupid,

00:56:05and they kicked Rui Hachimura out of the game.

00:56:08Like, that's the reason they beat Japan.

00:56:09That's the only reason they're in this.

00:56:11Yeah, but it only takes, it's only one game,

00:56:13so I don't know that anything can happen.

00:56:15My point with Kauffman was, we were fishing around

00:56:18for something to talk about,

00:56:19because until Tatum got benched against Serbia,

00:56:23there was really just not a lot to talk about,

00:56:25and so I was like, you know, can we do a segment on,

00:56:29good thing they said they got their title now,

00:56:31because Wembley's coming, Wembley's here,

00:56:33he's gonna start to own this league,

00:56:34and it's gonna be way harder to win,

00:56:36because Wembley's nuts, and then, of course,

00:56:38the Serbia game's happened, so, you know,

00:56:40obviously, things are a little different.

00:56:43I'm not, after what I just saw against Serbia,

00:56:45again, I believe in the USA, I think they're gonna win,

00:56:48but, you know, Wembley can go off for a game,

00:56:50and the fact that he can dominate the game

00:56:53on both ends of the floor if he's shooting well,

00:56:55like, I know he hasn't shot well,

00:56:57but, again, like Curry yesterday, or Curry Thursday,

00:57:01you know, he finally has a really great game

00:57:04shooting the basketball, has 36 points in the game,

00:57:07first really good shooting game from the tournament,

00:57:09Wembley could have, because he's just got ridiculous range,

00:57:13and can dunk on anybody, he could easily have a big impact

00:57:17on the offensive end, in addition to all the stuff

00:57:20that he does defensively, where he just scares people

00:57:22from getting fast break layups, I mean,

00:57:23he's in everybody's head, you know, as a trail guy,

00:57:26whenever you're going down the floor,

00:57:28so, I do think, you know, the USA will win this game,

00:57:32but I'm not putting anything, it's only one game,

00:57:35it's only 40 minutes, not 48, like, it's,

00:57:38again, I don't know about you guys,

00:57:39but at a certain point, I'm like,

00:57:40does Team USA know this is only 40 minutes and not 48,

00:57:43there's not enough time to come back in this one,

00:57:45in the third quarter, fourth quarter,

00:57:47they're down double digits, I'm like,

00:57:48there's no way they're gonna do this,

00:57:50and then, you know, they magically,

00:57:52it was the Durant three, then the Booker three,

00:57:54consecutively, that really bailed them out,

00:57:57you know, whether that was a foul on Jokic or not,

00:57:59I thought it was, did Ant pull him down,

00:58:01I don't think so, or did Davis pull him down,

00:58:04I don't think so, I thought Jokic kind of ran him over,

00:58:07but that was the turning point of the game right there,

00:58:09you know, Durant hits that three,

00:58:10then Booker gets the three, six point swing,

00:58:13then, you know, then the rest is history.

00:58:15Yeah, the one thing that that French team has found

00:58:17is that guy, I can't tell if I'm pronouncing this correctly,

00:58:22but the Courtenay guy, who's like super fast,

00:58:25like he's been good for them recently,

00:58:26but even if you go back to their last game that they won,

00:58:29they only shot six of 27 from three,

00:58:32and look, their defense has been much better without,

00:58:34somehow without going with the defensive player of the year

00:58:37in the NBA, but we'll see, man, like it would be,

00:58:40and I think the one way that they can sort of stay,

00:58:43like I, and this is gonna sound cliche,

00:58:45but I think the start is so important for them,

00:58:48because the US is putting out a defensive unit

00:58:50that's not good, like it's not a good defensive group,

00:58:53they turned it on and they played better

00:58:55late against Serbia, but that's, I talked about it earlier,

00:58:58the defensive personnel is not great

00:59:00in their starting lineup,

00:59:01Serbia got out to the lead against that group,

00:59:03like Curry was the story of the first,

00:59:05like 14 of the first 15 points,

00:59:06but it's like, oh wait, they're down,

00:59:08because Serbia was generating all these good shots,

00:59:11so I think it's gonna come down to,

00:59:12hey, can France get up on that starting unit?

00:59:14Because if they can, I mean,

00:59:15then they're gonna have the crowd behind them.

00:59:18I kind of hope it works out that way,

00:59:19I mean, obviously I want the US to win,

00:59:21but I would like it to be like,

00:59:23that game, like just from a pure basketball perspective,

00:59:26that game was awesome,

00:59:27like the Serbia-US game was so much fun, I thought,

00:59:30I mean, Jokic was unreal

00:59:31with some of the passes he was making.

00:59:33Yeah, I'm with you, again,

00:59:35not to sound un-American or whatever,

00:59:38I want Team USA to win, but give us a game,

00:59:42give us something fun, it's a gold medal game,

00:59:44and I don't think any of the three of us,

00:59:46or probably most people listening are gonna lose any sleep

00:59:48if France does actually win this thing,

00:59:50not that I see it happening,

00:59:51but give us something competitive,

00:59:53I think that would be fun.

00:59:54But yeah, I do wonder, you know,

00:59:57if I'm betting the thing, because I probably am,

00:59:59I do wonder if what happened with Team USA against Serbia

01:00:05is a, not to be cliche, but a wake-up call

01:00:08to where US does come in and blow doors,

01:00:11or if that is an indication that this team

01:00:13is not exactly maybe what we thought it was

01:00:16earlier in the tournament,

01:00:17and France is gonna find a way to keep this thing close

01:00:19and make it competitive, you know,

01:00:21and therefore you bet the plus 16.

01:00:23I don't know, just something to think about, obviously,

01:00:25and to each their own,

01:00:26in terms of how you wanna handicap this thing.

01:00:28But Tatum, at least around here, is the biggest story,

01:00:32and Brown before that, and you know, what's still to come

01:00:35here as we sit in almost mid-August, which is kinda crazy,

01:00:39so September right around the corner,

01:00:42camp and preseason and regular season's

01:00:45all rapidly approaching.

01:00:47I mean, there is basketball on the way

01:00:49for the Boston Celtics, not just a, you know,

01:00:52trio of Boston Celtics that are busy there in France.

01:00:55But Barrett, thanks so much for hopping on, man.

01:00:58We appreciate it.

01:00:59Make sure, obviously, you check out

01:01:00the Off the Pike Ringer podcast that Barrett hosts.

01:01:04You can get Brian on Twitter, it's Brian Barrett.

01:01:06He just put out a show with Tom Caron of Nessun

01:01:08talking about the Red Sox, who are fun again,

01:01:12and we'll see what they can do against the Astros.

01:01:14Just, again, betting, bet the over.

01:01:17Expect runs in that one, and pretty much every game,

01:01:19because that has been the trend for these Sox

01:01:21throughout the year.

01:01:22They can hit, they can't pitch, and those things

01:01:24oftentimes go together and lead to a lot of scoring.

01:01:28But it's a wild card chase, a lot of fun,

01:01:29and maybe, just maybe, as we get closer and closer to that,

01:01:33we'll sprinkle in a thought of that as well.

01:01:34But it is primarily a basketball podcast,

01:01:38so we don't bother.

01:01:39But Barrett, like I said, thanks for hopping on.

01:01:41Nev, always a pleasure.

01:01:44Thanks for having me, fellas.

01:01:45It's Celtics Beat.

01:01:46We'll see you again next time.

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