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Welcome back to Celtics Beat! In today's episode, Adam Kaufman and Evan Valenti are joined by Brian Barrett of "Off the Pike" from The Ringer. The guys discuss Team USA, specifically Tatum's lack of playing time and present an argument for why he should be being used. Additionally, they preview the gold medal game against France.

0:00 - Intro
4:17 - Tatum DNP-CD again
12:14 - Jayson’s jumper shouldn’t be this big of a deterrent
14:13 - Why not play the three Celtics players together?
18:50 - PrizePicks
20:52 - Does Kerr have a Celtics bias?
29:54 - Gametime
31:56 - Will Team USA drama add motivation for the Jays?
48:15 - Could Mazzulla coach another team and beat Team USA?
54:15 - Gold medal game breakdown


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00:00:00Celtics is brought to you by ice pits and the game time at
00:00:06Hey everybody, welcome to a new edition of Celtics beat. We appreciate you hanging out here with us
00:00:11I always say it at the end by then you've probably tuned out
00:00:13So why not put it at the beginning rate review most importantly subscribe to the show wherever you get your podcast
00:00:18We greatly appreciate it. Another person who has a podcast is kind enough to join us
00:00:24Of course Brian Barrett every once in a while
00:00:26We go on the off the pike podcast over there with him on the ringer. He comes on with us
00:00:32There's no relationship partnership agreement there behind the scenes
00:00:35He's just cordial and nice and inviting and we are the same and we love having you here Barrett. How are you, bud?
00:00:42I'm doing well, man. I'm doing well
00:00:43I'm a little more tired than Jason Tatum today because I got a run on the treadmill
00:00:47So I'm a little bit more fatigued than Tatum. I didn't think that we would have a situation
00:00:51Where both Jacoby Brissett and Drake May who only played one series in the Patriots preseason game would play more than Jason Tatum
00:00:59But here we are
00:01:00Don't get me started on that freaking Patriots game and the utter complete waste of time of watching
00:01:06Whatever it was an hour and a half of Bailey's happy who shouldn't even be on this roster
00:01:11At least they haven't and sorry if anyone's late to the party on this at least they finally rectified the Juju Smith Schuster
00:01:18Situation and released him earlier today
00:01:19I don't even know how he broke minicamp with this team, but whatever. This is not Patriots beat
00:01:24This is Celtics beat and as of right now, I guess this is kind of USA beat
00:01:28This is the team that is center stage for everybody gold medal game barely barely
00:01:34It was almost the bronze medal game gold medal game
00:01:38after edging coming back
00:01:40Defeating Nicola Jokic and the Serbia squad to set up a date with Victor Wembenyama the future of the NBA in many ways the present
00:01:47As well in France on the other side and you bring up the Jason Tatum thing
00:01:51I'll be it in jest one thing that is it does not seem to be in jest from a lot of people that I
00:01:57Wouldn't really say Barrett and Evan the you know people I've talked to necessarily but definitely people that I've seen on social media
00:02:03Actively rooting on the French in the gold medal game out of pure
00:02:08Allegiance maybe to Jason Tatum or just being pissed off with Team USA and Steve Kerr or whatever it is
00:02:14Maybe they just want to see something different
00:02:16I can't really imagine actively rooting against your country, but that is what people are doing some people and I personally
00:02:23Just don't I I can't be I can't care. I I just I really don't care
00:02:28I realize that sounds very un-american. I don't mean the Tatum thing. I mean if the US wins great
00:02:33I mean that all they're doing at that point in time is
00:02:36Kind of like the Celtics last year right doing their job doing what they were supposed to do
00:02:41That's what Team USA is supposed to do
00:02:43They are supposed to win the gold
00:02:45Shouldn't have even been close against Serbia should have been another blowout on the way to 5-0 and now France
00:02:51You know, it's a whole lot
00:02:53We pick Wemby and company to cover the spread and yada yada yada, but as far as Tatum goes
00:02:59Man, I mean, this is a weird situation five games two DNP CDs did not play coaches decision
00:03:07Limited minutes and some others he did start at one point in time
00:03:12We see this game against Serbia when Team USA is down by 17 points
00:03:17You absolutely could have made a viable case for one of the top players in the world
00:03:21And I realize that's true of all of these guys
00:03:23But I mean a top five player in the world coming off a championship and a brand new 300 plus million dollar
00:03:30Contract to have maybe given you a little bit of a boost a little bit of a lift off the bench
00:03:34Maybe he could have changed things up at Steve Kerr and we'll give you the quotes in a bit has come out and said
00:03:39It's a math problem. It's nothing against Tatum personally some people
00:03:43You know conspiracy theorists like to disagree, but it's nothing about Tatum personally
00:03:47It's a math problem with Kevin Durant being Kevin Durant. There's just no room for Jason Tatum
00:03:54What do you make of this whole thing? Because I think this is an embarrassment in terms of coaching on the part of Kerr
00:04:01Yeah, it's an interesting situation
00:04:03So I'm trying to figure out the reason that Kerr isn't playing him
00:04:08The first thing that I've seen thrown out there. The theory is like, oh Tatum likes to hold on to the ball
00:04:14I don't think that's the case because they're playing Anthony Edwards, right? Anthony Edwards is a ball-dominant guy too. So I don't think that's it
00:04:20I think it's that Tatum has struggled to sort of find a shot right going back to the playoffs and I do think it's interesting
00:04:26My boss Bill Simmons had the theory that he's not like jumping forward on his jump shot
00:04:31And I I'm thinking about it
00:04:33I'm like, well, what about when he turned his ankle against Spam in the playoffs, right?
00:04:37And he shot the three poorly in the playoffs
00:04:39That's four games into the postseason because if you look at the last 48 regular season games
00:04:44Tatum hit the 14th most threes in the NBA and he shot 39.4%
00:04:48So he was actually shooting at a high level for the majority of last season
00:04:52He had the poor start to the season shooting the three and then he got on fire
00:04:55I think it's more about shooting than anything else because we know how the Warriors dynasty was sort of created
00:05:01But the thing that I just can't get over here is I felt like the whole idea of having Team USA compared to these other teams is the depth of the team, right?
00:05:11So and I'm not defending Steve Kerr's decision here not to play Jason Tatum
00:05:15But for example, let's say in the game on what was it now Thursday?
00:05:22Anthony Edwards isn't playing well, Anthony Edwards is actually playing poorly
00:05:25He had one foul that was awful
00:05:27He had a really bad turnover in that game
00:05:29I believe he finished with what two points, two fouls and two turnovers
00:05:32Like he was legitimately bad in the game
00:05:34Well, then why in the second half can't you go to Jason Tatum, especially considering the fact that how was Serbia killing you?
00:05:42They were hitting a million threes, right?
00:05:44So what's the way to sort of take the three ball away?
00:05:47Oh, a switching defense, which the Celtics are one of the switchiest teams in the NBA
00:05:52Jason Tatum, him and Bam Adebayo are the most versatile defenders on the team
00:05:57I would put Tatum and Bam ahead of Anthony Davis when it comes to that perspective
00:06:01I think Bam can hold up a little better against guards
00:06:04So why wouldn't you turn to Tatum then?
00:06:06So that would be the first point is it just doesn't make sense like, oh, there's not room for Tatum
00:06:10He is arguably the most versatile player on the entire team
00:06:14And secondarily, and maybe this is going to sound a little homerish, but they came into the tournament
00:06:21Steve Kerr came into training camp, I should say
00:06:23And remember Tatum was late getting there because Tatum was, you know, celebrating his championship and signing, you know, the richest contract in the history of the NBA
00:06:31If you look at the stars of the team, right, LeBron, Curry and Durant
00:06:37And I would say they have, I know he beats out one game
00:06:40I know he beats out one game, but they plan to start and beat all the time because they recruited him, right?
00:06:45Like he, there was a possibility that he went to the French team
00:06:48Okay, so Steve Kerr's plan and they said it
00:06:52Grant Hill said, hey, if LeBron and Curry and Curry was awesome, obviously he saved them
00:06:57If those guys want to be on the team, they're on the team
00:06:59And he said Embiid, LeBron and Curry are starting every game
00:07:03Steve Kerr said that at the beginning of this whole thing
00:07:05Now one game he, of course, didn't play Embiid
00:07:08Okay, so if you look at that and we know Durant who broke the record, he's going to get his playing time
00:07:13So if that's the case, if those are going to be the featured players, because that had been determined by the head coach of the team
00:07:19He determined that before the tournament, before training camp started
00:07:22Jason Tatum is the next guy up in terms of his stature on the team
00:07:26He's the only guy on the team right now that has made three consecutive first team All-NBAs
00:07:30He's the only guy on the team that is coming off a championship
00:07:33He's the only guy on the team that just led the NBA Finals in points, rebounds and assists
00:07:38I think and maybe this conversation was had
00:07:41He should have been told, hey, these are going to be the featured players
00:07:46Because the reality is Tatum is an on the ball player
00:07:49And I'm not saying he can't play off the ball, he can
00:07:51But we just saw him play point guard throughout the NBA playoffs
00:07:55And in particular in the NBA Finals
00:07:58He was the point guard for the Celtics on offense
00:08:00And he was the center on defense
00:08:02All these other guys like Booker can find a role because he's a shooter, right?
00:08:05He's an outstanding shooter
00:08:06Drew and Derek White are basically playing the same roles they have
00:08:10Bam is not going to be a featured offensive player
00:08:12Anthony Davis is not going to be a featured offensive player
00:08:15I think there should have been a conversation with Jason Tatum
00:08:18Because if I was Tatum, I'd be thinking, wait, hold on
00:08:21I averaged the second most points on the team that just won the gold medal
00:08:24Not even four years ago, three years ago, because of COVID
00:08:27I had, what, 19 points coming off the bench in the gold medal game
00:08:31I scored the second most points
00:08:32I think there should have been more of a conversation with Tatum before he went there
00:08:35Because from a Celtics perspective, the guy just played 97 games
00:08:39It was pointless for him to go to this thing and for this to be the storyline
00:08:43Mm-hmm
00:08:44And before you go, I'll just give you the Steve Kerr quote
00:08:47And this is courtesy of Tim Reynolds
00:08:49Sorry for being so long there, but I had to get a lot off my chest
00:08:51All good information, all good, you know, thoughts, obviously
00:08:54Kerr said, it's not what I'm seeing from Jason
00:08:57It's what I'm seeing from the other guys
00:09:00Like I've said so many times during this tournament, the last six weeks
00:09:03It's just hard to play 11 people, even in an NBA game
00:09:07It's not about anything Jason is doing or not doing
00:09:10It's just about combinations and the way the group has played together
00:09:13The way Kevin has filled in since he came back from his injury
00:09:16It's just a math problem more than anything else, as I alluded to before, obviously
00:09:20So that is where it is
00:09:21Ev, I think we should go with this, really
00:09:24Because this is the biggest thing
00:09:25It's not the, you know, is Tatum butthurt about this
00:09:29And does he have a right to be, and he does, obviously
00:09:32You know, he should have some sort of role
00:09:34I mean, throw him out there for five, eight minutes, whatever
00:09:37Like within a 40-minute game and the 200 minutes or whatever it is
00:09:40You know, that you've got, whatever the math, I don't know
00:09:43You've got time to play Jason Tatum in each of these games
00:09:47All of these guys, this isn't about Tatum, Halliburton, Embiid
00:09:50Anyone else who's been a DNPCD
00:09:52You've got room for all of these guys, especially during these blowouts
00:09:56You want to tighten your rotation during a close game against Serbia, so be it
00:10:00But every other step along the way, you have had the room, obviously
00:10:04To make, you know, an opportunity for Tatum or whoever else
00:10:07But the last thing that Barrett said, Ev, is, I think, the biggest
00:10:11Which is the Celtics, everyone, White, Holiday
00:10:15Everyone on that roster already has a shortened offseason
00:10:19Because of playing upwards of 100 games and the run to the championship
00:10:23They start early because they go to Dubai for this game
00:10:27Or games, and then, you know, come back around, obviously
00:10:31And the lead-in to the regular season, then it all starts again
00:10:34You have a very abbreviated time to sort of sit back and catch your breath
00:10:39And if you are Holiday and you are White and you have a real opportunity there
00:10:43And you're playing considerable minutes, fine, you're not part of this conversation
00:10:47But if you're Tatum, really just kind of getting your work in during practices
00:10:51And, you know, hanging out with these guys and, yeah, it's an opportunity
00:10:55And I'm sure it's an unbelievable one and you got your family there and Deuce and everything
00:10:59But you think that a part of him, at least, wouldn't rather just be kicking it at home
00:11:03And taking a break after the grueling year that he had
00:11:06And what he still has in front of him versus this?
00:11:10Yeah, I think there's maybe some pressure of trying to be
00:11:14Because we're looking for the new face of the NBA
00:11:17And people are gravitating towards certain people
00:11:20Anthony Edwards is everybody's flavor of the week at this particular point
00:11:23But I think Tatum maybe carries that a little bit with him
00:11:26Like, hey, I have the signature shoe, I have the championship, I'm the cover of Sports Illustrated
00:11:31I need to do this to keep my stature as the next guy in this league
00:11:37And to be not played at all in two games is crazy
00:11:41And Barrett brought up, like, they were getting absolutely trounced in the first half
00:11:45At what point do you say, hey, we need to try something different here
00:11:48And maybe put some different people out there
00:11:50The thing that bothers me is, like, yes, the reason why Tatum isn't playing
00:11:54Is because he's not shooting the ball very well
00:11:56Well, it's really hard to shoot the ball very well when you have no rhythm at all
00:11:59You know what I mean? Like, he's not out there playing to get into rhythm
00:12:02I know the ball sometimes can be tough to get used to and depth perception and all that stuff
00:12:07But after a while, like, he's one of the best players in the league
00:12:10He's going to figure it out, and to not have the opportunity to, I think is frustrating
00:12:14And it's frustrating a lot of people
00:12:16Like, you know, you saw Tatum's mom going nuts, quote, you know, quote tweeting
00:12:20Dick Vitale trying to, like, figure this out, you know what I mean?
00:12:23She was quoting Greeny even
00:12:25It's frustrating because, you know, I think Brian's point of
00:12:30There should have been a discussion of, like, what everybody's role is
00:12:34And I feel like a lot of times there's no discussion at all
00:12:38About what everybody's supposed to be doing here
00:12:40I mean, there are definitely enough pieces on this team to make this work a little bit better
00:12:44I mean, I know you probably want the ball in Durant's hands
00:12:47But Durant's also, like, a pretty awesome just stand-alone shooter if you want to
00:12:50Derek White's an excellent shooter
00:12:52Halliburton, I know, is not a great defensive player, but he can shoot
00:12:55You know, Holliday, I mean, you can get on the line here, or you can go on and on
00:12:58What's really frustrating to me, and somebody pointed this out yesterday
00:13:02And I still can't quite wrap my head around this, boys
00:13:05Maybe either of you can help me
00:13:08And I haven't watched every game, so just flat out
00:13:10I have not watched every second of every game of the USA
00:13:12I apologize
00:13:15Have we seen, and this is, like, off of a
00:13:19What do all these teams have in common?
00:13:21They play a lot more together than Team USA does
00:13:24They have more time, et cetera, except they build chemistry
00:13:26That's why it seems to be easier for these guys
00:13:29If you're Steve Kerr, why wouldn't you play the three guys
00:13:32Derek White, Drew Holliday, and Jason Tame together
00:13:34They would have played more basketball together than any of these teams
00:13:37Like, any of these guys combined
00:13:39Like, they had just won the most games in the regular season together
00:13:43They won the NBA championship
00:13:45They've played over, as you said, Kaufman, over a hundred games together
00:13:49Right?
00:13:50And yet, these three guys haven't shared the court at the same time together
00:13:54In a single game?
00:13:56How is that a plan?
00:13:57Like, how does, and you guys watch
00:14:00Like, I was watching yesterday
00:14:01Drew Holliday did his thing where he leaves his assignment to go double someone
00:14:06I believe it was Jokic on the baseline on the left side
00:14:09He comes down, right, to double Jokic
00:14:11Jokic is crazy because he can steal everything
00:14:14And he just throws the ball to the top of the key where Drew's guy was
00:14:16But nobody went to go recover where Drew left a vacant spot
00:14:21And everybody's just standing around watching
00:14:22I think it was Bogdanovich hit another open three-point shot
00:14:25It was, like, one of these things where the chemistry sometimes would help
00:14:29And Steve Kerr has just thrown that out the window
00:14:32Like, we don't need chemistry
00:14:33They're so lucky
00:14:34Steve Kerr is lucky that Steph went off
00:14:37LeBron dialed it back to really carry the team on his back for a while
00:14:43And Embiid finally had a moment throughout this entire summer
00:14:47Finally had a second
00:14:48If those three things don't happen
00:14:50This is a ginormous collapse
00:14:53And Kerr has to eat a ton of crow, right?
00:14:55Instead, everything works out
00:14:57We're on to the French team and then the gold medal game
00:15:01I can't fathom for the life of me, boys
00:15:04How they haven't clicked to that at all whatsoever
00:15:07I'm sitting here looking at Steve Kerr saying
00:15:10Dude, the answer is sitting right in the face
00:15:13You can get all these guys' exposure if you want to
00:15:16But to not play Barrett
00:15:17To not play the three Celtics
00:15:19Who just won the NBA title
00:15:20Any minutes together, to me, is mind-blowing
00:15:25Yeah, and whenever Tatum's played with Derek White
00:15:27Those minutes have gone well
00:15:29Which shouldn't shock anybody
00:15:30Because they're always up in the top tier
00:15:32In terms of plus-minus, those two guys
00:15:35So it would have been interesting to play those guys
00:15:37But I really do think it's the shooting
00:15:40And maybe Kerr looks back at the playoff
00:15:42Sort of performance from Tatum
00:15:44Not shooting a three-well
00:15:45Even though the Celtics won a championship
00:15:46I think that really is the reason
00:15:48But the reason I just bring up the fact that
00:15:50If you look at Tatum's stature
00:15:53Compared to everybody else
00:15:54And what he did on the last Olympic team
00:15:56And also his standing in the NBA right now
00:15:59So if you're going into the 2024-2025 season
00:16:03Tatum is the best player on that team
00:16:06He's the best player on that team
00:16:07LeBron and Curry are older
00:16:09At this particular point in time
00:16:10We saw last year, Curry faded down
00:16:12The second half of the season
00:16:13The only possible...
00:16:14And Embiid, until we see him actually prove it
00:16:17In the postseason
00:16:18You're not taking Embiid over Jason Tatum
00:16:20Maybe you say, hey
00:16:21Embiid could be a better regular season player
00:16:23And win the MVP, fine
00:16:24But we've seen some of Embiid's issues
00:16:28When we get to the postseason
00:16:29Like, I don't know
00:16:30Game 7 against the Celtics
00:16:31When he gave up more points
00:16:33As the primary defender
00:16:34Than points he actually scored
00:16:35Because they just exposed him
00:16:37In terms of the drop coverage
00:16:38That wasn't it
00:16:39By the way, Embiid had his moment
00:16:40The seven straight points
00:16:41He was also part of the reason
00:16:43A big part of the reason they fell behind
00:16:45Because of the drop coverage
00:16:46That they were just hitting all those shots
00:16:48So the fact that they didn't use
00:16:50The 6'10", most versatile defender on the team
00:16:53That's irritating to me in that game
00:16:54Because Serbia scored 91
00:16:56Everyone points to the shooting
00:16:57They still scored 91 points
00:16:59And they were generating a lot of good shots
00:17:01And Tatum could have helped
00:17:02When it came to that
00:17:03I would imagine he'd be motivated
00:17:04Because he's had really
00:17:05Outside of the 10 and 10 performance
00:17:07He hasn't done much
00:17:08And the other thing that I would say
00:17:10As it pertains to Tatum
00:17:11Is, if he knew all this
00:17:13Maybe he says, hey
00:17:14I take this summer off
00:17:15I'll come back and be the face of the team in 2028
00:17:18Now I wonder
00:17:19Like, whoa
00:17:202028 rolls around
00:17:22Anthony Edwards is probably
00:17:24Going to be given the team
00:17:25He's going to be the face of the team
00:17:27But you start to think about it
00:17:29Team USA, they kind of
00:17:31We'll see some of these young guys coming up
00:17:33The Cooper flags of the world, etc.
00:17:35But Tatum sort of needs to be
00:17:37On that team for Team USA
00:17:39You look at Canada
00:17:40And I know Jamal Murray
00:17:41That's a whole different story
00:17:42How bad he was
00:17:43But Shea is going to be back
00:17:44And Shea just finished runner-up
00:17:46To the MVP
00:17:47Nembhardt was awesome
00:17:48Nembhardt was awesome for that team
00:17:49Outside of the elimination game
00:17:51Like, that's a team with a lot of talent
00:17:52They just have to find some big guys
00:17:54Now, Wemby at that point
00:17:55Is probably going to be
00:17:56The MVP of the NBA, you would think
00:17:58Even though he's not really scoring
00:17:59And they don't really have a ton of
00:18:00Or, although the dancing bear
00:18:02Has been going off of them
00:18:03They don't really have a lot of
00:18:04Depth on that team
00:18:05They don't really have a lot of guards
00:18:06And we'll see where Germany's at
00:18:07At that point in time
00:18:09But if I'm Jason Tatum
00:18:10If Kerr's the coach
00:18:11I'm fucking done
00:18:12Oh, I don't know
00:18:13Can you swear on this pod?
00:18:14Sorry, maybe you can
00:18:15You can when we're talking about this, Barrett
00:18:17Yeah, you're good
00:18:18All right, I didn't
00:18:19I forgot if we swore on this pod or not
00:18:21But if I'm Tatum, I wouldn't
00:18:22You swear on your pod?
00:18:23You should
00:18:24Yeah, I swear on my pod
00:18:25From time
00:18:26I tried at the beginning
00:18:27When I first did it
00:18:28My mom's like, you're swearing too much
00:18:29I'm like, all right
00:18:30I got to cut it back a little bit
00:18:31When it feels necessary
00:18:33And you know what?
00:18:34Right there, it did
00:18:35That just slipped
00:18:36But so my point being
00:18:37Like, if you guys were Tatum
00:18:38And Kerr's the coach in 2028
00:18:39Would you play for him?
00:18:40I certainly wouldn't
00:18:41If they give it a spolster
00:18:43Or Luke takes over
00:18:44Maybe I would
00:18:45Maybe it's not their decision
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00:20:51Let me tie these two things together
00:20:53Kind of what you're talking about
00:20:54With is Kerr going to be the coach
00:20:56And what you were talking about, Ev
00:20:57In terms of why aren't
00:20:59White Tatum, Holiday
00:21:00As a trio seeing the floor together
00:21:03So I don't know if you guys saw this
00:21:05We certainly haven't mentioned it
00:21:06Although Ev did bring up the
00:21:08Sports Illustrated issue
00:21:10And cover and all of that earlier
00:21:12There were two guys
00:21:13We know, we had Chris Mannix
00:21:14On with us recently
00:21:15There were two guys that were
00:21:16Featured in that article
00:21:17Tatum was one
00:21:18The other, Bob Cousy
00:21:20Well, Cousy has talked about this
00:21:21With Dan Shaughnessy
00:21:23In the Boston Globe
00:21:24And here's what Cous had to say
00:21:26Tatum's on the cover of
00:21:27Sports Illustrated this month
00:21:28Any experts that I have read lately
00:21:30Have chosen him in the top five
00:21:31Sometimes number one
00:21:32In the bleeping world
00:21:34Now Kerr is telling the world
00:21:35He doesn't agree
00:21:36In a 40 minute game
00:21:37If you can't find five minutes
00:21:39To play somebody on the team
00:21:40Without hurting yourself
00:21:41When Kerr did it last week
00:21:42He was in no danger of losing the game
00:21:44But in this case
00:21:45They got down by 17 points
00:21:47And he's got to worry about
00:21:48Losing the game
00:21:49And then to not let Tatum
00:21:50Get off the bench
00:21:51To me, there's got to be
00:21:52Some kind of bias he has got
00:21:54Against the Celtics
00:21:56Let me ask you guys this
00:21:58Is what we've seen so far
00:22:01And I personally would lean more
00:22:04In this direction than the other
00:22:06Is it more coaching malpractice
00:22:08On the part of Steve Kerr and company
00:22:10But he's the head coach
00:22:11He's the face of this thing
00:22:12He's got to own it
00:22:13Or is there bias against the Celtics?
00:22:15I mean, I hesitate to see that
00:22:18Given the run that we see
00:22:19From Holliday and White
00:22:20But you guys tell me
00:22:22Does he want his guys being
00:22:24You know, Curry, formerly Durant
00:22:26To be more at the center stage
00:22:28Of this thing?
00:22:32You know, you can make the argument
00:22:34That they're just trying to let
00:22:35Curry and LeBron and Durant
00:22:37Get one more
00:22:38And have them be a part of this thing
00:22:40Yeah, because they're going to
00:22:41Age out, obviously
00:22:42Because this is it
00:22:43I mean, this is Curry's only
00:22:44Olympic appearance
00:22:45LeBron, he's, you know, been
00:22:47The guy forever
00:22:48And Durant's the all-time leading scorer
00:22:50In Olympic basketball history
00:22:51For Team USA
00:22:52So, like, obviously you have
00:22:53Some legends on this team
00:22:54And clearly, they
00:22:56And I'm not trying to say
00:22:57Those guys shouldn't be playing
00:22:58Because they legitimately won the game
00:23:00For Team USA yesterday
00:23:02Or on Thursday
00:23:03So, like, that's
00:23:04You can't really argue with it
00:23:06But the reliance on those guys
00:23:09I think is an interesting question
00:23:11Like, why is Curry sticking
00:23:13And, like, the Embiid point
00:23:15Is a fantastic one
00:23:16Sticking with Embiid
00:23:17If that guy gets double teamed
00:23:18He has no clue what to do
00:23:20And it's, like, growing
00:23:22Increasingly frustrating
00:23:23I watched that game
00:23:24And I can't believe
00:23:25Anthony Davis doesn't play more
00:23:26Because whenever the ball goes up
00:23:28Embiid, if the ball's not coming
00:23:30To him off the rebound
00:23:31He doesn't move
00:23:32He has cement feet
00:23:33Meanwhile, at least Anthony Davis
00:23:35Is trying to get a rebound
00:23:36And tip it out to somewhere
00:23:38At least Bam Adebayo
00:23:39Is trying to tip it out
00:23:40To some other guy
00:23:41Embiid just stands there
00:23:43And it drives me crazy
00:23:44Look, I don't think
00:23:46It's a Celtics
00:23:47Like, an anti-Celtics thing
00:23:50I don't think it's that
00:23:52I will say this
00:23:53Thank you to Team USA
00:23:55For providing some motivation
00:23:57For Jaylen and Jason
00:23:58As they come back
00:23:59To try and defend a title here
00:24:01Like, you know, Jaylen
00:24:02Obviously has got some issues
00:24:04With Team USA
00:24:05And now Tatum does
00:24:06So thank you very much, guys
00:24:07But, like, I think
00:24:09It's more of a Kerr thing
00:24:11And I think what's interesting
00:24:12Is to read the Golden State fan
00:24:15Perspective of this whole thing
00:24:17Because they've been dealing
00:24:18With this for a long time
00:24:20I mean, I'm not
00:24:21In that universe
00:24:23I'm not reading the discourse
00:24:24Of after every single game
00:24:26That Golden State has
00:24:27But Kerr's rotations
00:24:29Apparently have been a problem
00:24:30For a long time in Golden State
00:24:33And this is just more
00:24:34Illuminating of the fact
00:24:35That his rotations
00:24:36Are a little off
00:24:37And, like I said
00:24:39I think Curry and LeBron
00:24:40Specifically really bailed
00:24:42Kerr out yesterday
00:24:43Because if it doesn't go well
00:24:44And they lose
00:24:45Kerr's got to answer
00:24:46Way more questions
00:24:47About what he does
00:24:49And doesn't do
00:24:50As the coach of this team
00:24:51Yeah, well, I think
00:24:52It's with Kerr
00:24:53I don't think it's a specific
00:24:54Bias against the Celtics
00:24:56But I do think there's
00:24:58Sort of some
00:24:59Whether it's, like,
00:25:00Unconscious or not
00:25:01It's, um
00:25:02It's like a previous belief
00:25:03He had
00:25:04About Tatum, right?
00:25:05So if you go back
00:25:06To the 2022 Finals
00:25:08They had both
00:25:09Jalen and Tatum's number
00:25:11Right, where
00:25:12With Jalen
00:25:13It was foursome to his left hand
00:25:14And it was Tatum
00:25:15After this amount of dribbles
00:25:17We want to force him
00:25:18Off the three-point line
00:25:19We don't want him
00:25:20To get to the basket
00:25:21So it's like
00:25:22He figured out a game plan
00:25:23How to stop Tatum
00:25:24Although that was two years ago
00:25:25He was a much better player
00:25:26And I think he sees Tatum
00:25:27Going back to this whole
00:25:28Ball stopper thing
00:25:29As, like, not his
00:25:30Typical type of player
00:25:31Like, if you look at
00:25:32Sort of, although he did
00:25:33Trade for Shaq
00:25:34But you look at the
00:25:35Steve Nash era
00:25:36Where the ball is fine around
00:25:37And if you look at
00:25:38Some of those, like
00:25:39Role players
00:25:40Because he's looking for Tatum
00:25:41To be a role player
00:25:42On this team
00:25:43If he is going to play, right?
00:25:44You think about
00:25:45The Andre Iguodalas
00:25:46The Sean Livingston
00:25:47Remember when he was there
00:25:48Like, those guys
00:25:49Are just, like, really
00:25:50Quick decision makers, right?
00:25:51So I think that's part of it
00:25:52With Curtis
00:25:53He just doesn't see Tatum
00:25:54Fitting into the way
00:25:55That he wants basketball
00:25:57To be played
00:25:58Even if it's wrong
00:25:59I think that's what it is
00:26:00I think it's a bias on
00:26:01Sort of, Tatum's game
00:26:03But the one thing
00:26:04I'll say about Kerr
00:26:05Is ever since that finals
00:26:07That he beat the Celtics in
00:26:09Let's acknowledge, like
00:26:10This dude has lost his fastball
00:26:12I mean, he had
00:26:13And I'm not blaming him
00:26:14For this happening
00:26:15But he lost his team
00:26:16Two years ago
00:26:17They, remember
00:26:18They couldn't win
00:26:19Like, on the road
00:26:20It was a complete debacle
00:26:21They had the Jordan Pool
00:26:22Draymond situation
00:26:23They couldn't win
00:26:24Any games on the road
00:26:25That team completely
00:26:26Fell apart
00:26:27And then you go to
00:26:28This past season
00:26:29To Valenti's point
00:26:30About his rotations
00:26:31He wouldn't play Kaminga
00:26:33Until Kaminga called out
00:26:34The coaching staff
00:26:35Kaminga turned out to be
00:26:36The second best player
00:26:37On the team
00:26:38And look, I'm not blaming him
00:26:39For the Draymond issues
00:26:40We know Draymond
00:26:41Missed a bunch of time
00:26:42As well
00:26:43But it also took him a while
00:26:44To get to trace
00:26:45Jackson Davis
00:26:46When anybody watching
00:26:47Kavon Looney this year
00:26:48Knew that Kavon Looney
00:26:50Like, couldn't move anymore
00:26:52Okay?
00:26:53And we know how important
00:26:54He was to the dynasty
00:26:55They built
00:26:56He was awesome in the series
00:26:57And the Celtics
00:26:58I still think the guy's
00:26:59Getting offensive rebounds
00:27:00Against the Celtics
00:27:01And the other thing
00:27:02That Kerr did
00:27:03Specifically this year
00:27:05And this kind of goes
00:27:06Full circle back
00:27:07To the whole Celtics point
00:27:09He actually thought
00:27:11Draymond Green's strategy
00:27:13Against the Celtics
00:27:15Was a good strategy
00:27:17To just leave
00:27:18Jalen Brown open
00:27:19Because of his
00:27:20Three point percentage
00:27:22Those weren't
00:27:23His three point percentage
00:27:24Isn't just on
00:27:25Wide open threes
00:27:26He's an NBA player
00:27:27If you leave him open
00:27:29He's going to hit
00:27:31Basically walk through
00:27:32Jump shots
00:27:33Or shoot around
00:27:34Jump shots
00:27:35Steve Kerr actually
00:27:36Went with that plan
00:27:37Like he was presented
00:27:38This plan
00:27:39Hey guys
00:27:40Let's just leave
00:27:41Jalen Brown open
00:27:42He thought it was
00:27:43A good idea
00:27:44Okay?
00:27:45So Steve Kerr
00:27:46From my perspective
00:27:47Has lost
00:27:48His fastball
00:27:49For the past two years
00:27:50Ever since they won
00:27:51That championship
00:27:52And remember
00:27:53I'm not saying
00:27:54He made the pick
00:27:55He made the pick
00:27:56For the past two years
00:27:57When they decided
00:27:58To draft James Wiseman
00:27:59I know it's weird
00:28:00In terms of
00:28:01The whole COVID situation
00:28:02But there's a million guys
00:28:03That went after him
00:28:04That could have
00:28:05Fit on that team
00:28:06That could have
00:28:07Helped that
00:28:08Propel that dynasty
00:28:09Going forward
00:28:10I know they got 22
00:28:11And they're always
00:28:12Going to have
00:28:1320-22
00:28:14And as I mentioned earlier
00:28:15He traded for Shaq
00:28:16On his team
00:28:17And made absolutely
00:28:18No sense to trade for Shaq
00:28:19Because it took away
00:28:20What they did well
00:28:21Which was
00:28:22Playing fast
00:28:23And getting shots up
00:28:25Because if they lose
00:28:26That game
00:28:27And Tatum doesn't play
00:28:28It's like
00:28:29Hold on
00:28:30Serbia just put up
00:28:3191 points on you
00:28:32And you have this guy
00:28:33That was just on
00:28:34The best defense
00:28:35In the playoffs
00:28:36And you didn't use him
00:28:37Like
00:28:38Didn't he cover centers
00:28:39In the playoffs?
00:28:40Like you didn't
00:28:41You didn't want to use him
00:28:42At all so
00:28:43I think Kerr's been
00:28:44Absolutely atrocious
00:28:45Throughout this run
00:28:46People are giving him
00:28:47Credit for his lineups
00:28:48I'm like
00:28:49Look at who's on the team
00:28:50Like how difficult
00:28:51This situation
00:28:52When did the lineups
00:28:53When you mentioned
00:28:54LeBron was awesome
00:28:55Curry was awesome
00:28:56In that game
00:28:57The starting lineup
00:28:58The reason they got
00:28:59Into that hole
00:29:00The starting lineup
00:29:01Amazingly
00:29:02With Drew Holiday
00:29:03Out there right
00:29:04The starting lineup
00:29:05Is not good on defense
00:29:06How many plus
00:29:07And look
00:29:08LeBron's tipped up
00:29:09His defense
00:29:10Part of the reason
00:29:11They won is because
00:29:12LeBron took on
00:29:13The Jokic matchup late
00:29:14So Embiid could
00:29:15Kind of like
00:29:16Zone up behind him
00:29:17And help out at the basket
00:29:18Who's a plus defender
00:29:19Right now in the
00:29:20Starting lineup?
00:29:21Drew Holiday
00:29:22That's it
00:29:23Booker's not a plus defender
00:29:24Curry is
00:29:25At this point
00:29:26In his career
00:29:27Well below average
00:29:28Remember Carlick Jones
00:29:29Earlier in the tournament
00:29:30Just absolutely
00:29:31Cooked the guy
00:29:32In pool play
00:29:33They don't have
00:29:34Embiid can be
00:29:35Sort of
00:29:36You can take advantage
00:29:37Of Embiid in this
00:29:38With the drop coverage
00:29:39With all the shooting
00:29:40From some of these
00:29:41Other teams
00:29:42So part of the reason
00:29:43They're in that hole
00:29:44Is because
00:29:45The combination
00:29:46Was not a good
00:29:47Combination defensively
00:29:48Even if
00:29:49That combination
00:29:50With Durant at the end
00:29:51Of the hole
00:29:52Is because the
00:29:53Defense is so bad
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00:32:20You know
00:32:21This is just another thing
00:32:22To fire up Tatum
00:32:23And you know
00:32:24Helmsbach
00:32:25I guess for both of these guys
00:32:27Right
00:32:28Like with Brown it's
00:32:29You know
00:32:30He wasn't all NBA
00:32:31He
00:32:32You know
00:32:33Wasn't named to
00:32:34Team USA
00:32:35And has had all of this
00:32:36Sort of drama
00:32:37And people questioning his
00:32:39What kind of guy he is
00:32:41All the Stephen A. Smith stuff
00:32:43And he's not marketable
00:32:44And guys don't necessarily
00:32:45Like him
00:32:46And on and on
00:32:47And with Tatum obviously
00:32:48He doesn't win MVP
00:32:49And I don't mean
00:32:50In the league
00:32:51I mean
00:32:52Conference finals
00:32:53Or NBA finals
00:32:54He is of course
00:32:55First team all NBA
00:32:56And he is on Team USA
00:32:57But now he's not playing
00:32:58All that much
00:32:59And he gets benched
00:33:00In two games
00:33:01In limited minutes elsewhere
00:33:02And who knows
00:33:03If he's gonna play
00:33:04Or however much
00:33:05In the gold medal game
00:33:06Against France
00:33:07And you know
00:33:08Basically does the concept
00:33:09Of extra motivation exist
00:33:10And Helmsbach is of the mind
00:33:11That no
00:33:12It doesn't
00:33:13You know
00:33:14If you're giving 100%
00:33:15You're giving 100%
00:33:16You can't go to 110
00:33:17Like it doesn't exist
00:33:18You know
00:33:19People like to say
00:33:20I'm giving 110%
00:33:21That's not a thing
00:33:22You're either giving 100%
00:33:23Or you're not
00:33:24But
00:33:25I don't know
00:33:26To me
00:33:27Ev, Barrett, whoever
00:33:28Like there's a
00:33:29There's a middle ground there
00:33:30That does exist
00:33:31To where
00:33:32You know
00:33:33You can certainly
00:33:34Brady
00:33:35Tom Brady
00:33:36Talked about it all the time
00:33:37Throughout his 20 plus years
00:33:38In the league
00:33:39Of their
00:33:40You know
00:33:41Always being motivated
00:33:42By being number 199
00:33:43Or something
00:33:44To get pissed about
00:33:45There was a chip on his shoulder
00:33:46For some reason
00:33:47I think that is very true
00:33:48Of a lot of professional athletes
00:33:49Not just the great ones
00:33:50But even
00:33:51You know
00:33:52Michael Jordan
00:33:53Would always see
00:33:54There was
00:33:55In the
00:33:56The last dance
00:33:57The bulls thing
00:33:58People talking about
00:33:59You know
00:34:00How
00:34:01How Jordan
00:34:02Even if there wasn't
00:34:03A critic
00:34:04There wasn't a naysayer
00:34:05He would make one up
00:34:06In his own mind
00:34:07Just to find that
00:34:08Extra gear
00:34:09I mean
00:34:10Is
00:34:11Celtics fans want to believe
00:34:12That they have a
00:34:13Warpath
00:34:14This coming season
00:34:15That all of this
00:34:16Crap
00:34:17Has only
00:34:18Further fueled
00:34:19Boston to banner 19
00:34:20Do you guys agree
00:34:21With that concept
00:34:22Or do you think
00:34:23That's just something
00:34:24That we say
00:34:25To make ourselves
00:34:26Feel good
00:34:27No I agree with this
00:34:28100%
00:34:29Again
00:34:30Watching Tom Brady
00:34:31Do it for 20 years
00:34:32You have a front row seat
00:34:33For it
00:34:34You know
00:34:35It's not easy
00:34:36To win championships
00:34:37In any league
00:34:38That you participate in
00:34:39And it's really hard
00:34:40To go back to back
00:34:41Sometimes
00:34:42You need a little
00:34:43Extra motivation
00:34:44A little extra push
00:34:45To
00:34:46Do something
00:34:47You normally
00:34:48Wouldn't do
00:34:49Something out of your
00:34:50Comfort zone
00:34:51You need someone
00:34:52Telling you that
00:34:53You can't do this again
00:34:54What's been the biggest
00:34:55Topic
00:34:56One of the biggest
00:34:57Topics is
00:34:58There hasn't been
00:34:59A repeat champion
00:35:00Since Golden State
00:35:01Nobody can really
00:35:02Do this anymore
00:35:03With the current
00:35:04NBA rules
00:35:05Etc
00:35:06All those things
00:35:07You can take
00:35:08And file away
00:35:09And be like
00:35:10I'll say
00:35:11With Tatum and Brown
00:35:12Like they haven't
00:35:13Needed
00:35:14Maybe that's
00:35:15The wrong way
00:35:16To put it
00:35:17Obviously
00:35:18A lot of things
00:35:19Came out after
00:35:20They lost to Golden State
00:35:21In the finals
00:35:22On their home floor
00:35:23And how much that
00:35:24Motivated them
00:35:25For the next season
00:35:26Right
00:35:27Cause they're like
00:35:28We hated hearing
00:35:29The Warriors
00:35:30Celebrate in our
00:35:31Locker rooms
00:35:32Like in Boston
00:35:33And drove us nuts
00:35:34And obviously
00:35:35They got to the
00:35:36Eastern Conference
00:35:37Finals
00:35:38And Tatum rolls his
00:35:39Ass off
00:35:40Tatum and Brown
00:35:41Have always
00:35:42Come back
00:35:43The next season
00:35:44Like a little bit
00:35:45Better or in certain
00:35:46Cases a lot better
00:35:47Than they were the
00:35:48Year prior
00:35:49So I don't know
00:35:50If they need
00:35:51The extra motivation
00:35:52To come back
00:35:53And be stronger
00:35:54But this certainly
00:35:55Doesn't like
00:35:56It's not a
00:35:57Hindrance
00:35:58To them
00:35:59Maybe
00:36:00Cause you know
00:36:01Jalen used to
00:36:02Put out videos
00:36:03Of him being in
00:36:04The lab
00:36:05Working on stuff
00:36:06Working with T-Mac
00:36:07You know
00:36:08He would always
00:36:09Post videos
00:36:10From that kind of
00:36:11Stuff
00:36:12With Tatum
00:36:13You always know
00:36:14He's working out
00:36:15With Hamlin
00:36:16Cause Hamlin's
00:36:17Always posting things
00:36:18Right
00:36:19So these guys
00:36:20Obviously put in the
00:36:21Work in the off season
00:36:22But you know
00:36:23If you need a little
00:36:24Extra motivation
00:36:25To carry you
00:36:26To that next level
00:36:27I mean Kobe
00:36:28He's celebrated
00:36:29As an absolute
00:36:30Maniac
00:36:31Cause he's always
00:36:32Looking for some
00:36:33Edge to become
00:36:34Better
00:36:35You know
00:36:36He's waking up
00:36:38The guys
00:36:39I think on the
00:36:40O-18
00:36:41Were coming back
00:36:42From the club
00:36:43At like
00:36:44Four o'clock
00:36:45In the morning
00:36:46Or whatever
00:36:47And Kobe was getting
00:36:48Up to go to the gym
00:36:49And it's like
00:36:50Oh that's the kind
00:36:51Of work ethic
00:36:52We need to
00:36:53Become that next
00:36:54Level guy
00:36:55It all comes in
00:36:56Different shapes
00:36:57And sizes
00:36:58And flavors
00:36:59But I certainly
00:37:00Don't think this is
00:37:01A hindrance
00:37:02To those two guys
00:37:03Specifically coming
00:37:04Back and saying
00:37:05Screw all this
00:37:06Nobody thinking that
00:37:07We're good enough
00:37:08For anything
00:37:09You know
00:37:10I don't think it's
00:37:11A bad thing
00:37:12Compared to you
00:37:13No I think if it's
00:37:14A good thing
00:37:15I thought the whole
00:37:16The Jalen situation
00:37:17I thought was a little
00:37:18Bit odd
00:37:19Just because
00:37:20We didn't hear
00:37:21Anything about this
00:37:22Like when the
00:37:23Original team
00:37:24Was sort of
00:37:25They chose the
00:37:26Original team
00:37:27He wasn't mad
00:37:28About not being
00:37:29On the team
00:37:30And then it wasn't
00:37:31Until Derek White
00:37:32Was the replacement
00:37:33And I know like
00:37:34Derek White and him
00:37:35Look man he just won
00:37:36The finals MVP
00:37:37In the Eastern Conference
00:37:38Finals MVP
00:37:39Maybe he's just
00:37:40He's feeling really good
00:37:41So he wanted to say
00:37:42That it did
00:37:43And based on the way
00:37:44That they've sort of
00:37:45Handled Tatum
00:37:46I don't know what
00:37:47Type of role Jalen
00:37:48Would have had on this team
00:37:49Right?
00:37:50Because he's a guy
00:37:51That had the ball
00:37:52In his hands a lot
00:37:53And he's really
00:37:54A guy that's accustomed
00:37:55To having the ball
00:37:56So I don't know
00:37:57What his role
00:37:58Would have been on the team
00:37:59But he obviously
00:38:00If he's going to use
00:38:01This as motivation
00:38:02I'm fine with it
00:38:03I think the bigger
00:38:04The focus
00:38:05I think he was already
00:38:06Mad about that
00:38:07And then this
00:38:08Team USA thing
00:38:09Remember he said
00:38:10I don't win anything
00:38:11Or I don't win shit
00:38:12Or whatever it was
00:38:13When he won
00:38:14Eastern Conference
00:38:15Finals MVP
00:38:16And I don't know
00:38:17If I mentioned this
00:38:18Here before
00:38:19But basically
00:38:20They're the only team
00:38:21In NBA history
00:38:22That has won
00:38:2364 games
00:38:24And didn't have
00:38:25Either two
00:38:26All NBA guys
00:38:27Or have the MVP
00:38:28So it was one
00:38:29Or the other
00:38:30It's like
00:38:31Dirk in 07
00:38:32Right?
00:38:33He wins 64 games
00:38:34And only have one
00:38:35All NBA game
00:38:36All NBA guy
00:38:37As it pertains
00:38:38To Tatum
00:38:39I worry a little
00:38:40I do worry about
00:38:41The shot
00:38:42Like with the whole
00:38:43Drew Hanlon thing
00:38:44Like I wonder if they
00:38:45Like mess around
00:38:46With that thing
00:38:47Too much
00:38:48It seems like
00:38:49It's in his head
00:38:50What's ever going on
00:38:51Because he's too good
00:38:52Of a shooter
00:38:53To be shooting this poorly
00:38:54In the postseason
00:38:55And obviously
00:38:56The one that he shot
00:38:57Off the backboard
00:38:58In this tournament
00:38:59Is where
00:39:00But I do think
00:39:01There will be
00:39:02So Tatum
00:39:03And Jalen
00:39:04Are going to be
00:39:05Back to taking
00:39:06Pretty close
00:39:07To the amount of shots
00:39:08They were taking
00:39:09Two years ago
00:39:10Where they sacrificed
00:39:11A couple of shots
00:39:12Per game
00:39:13So I think those guys
00:39:14Their numbers could actually
00:39:15Go up
00:39:16And of course
00:39:17I think Derek White's
00:39:18Numbers will go up
00:39:19I think Drew will have
00:39:20More of an offensive role
00:39:21During the regular season
00:39:22Although Drew's the one guy
00:39:23Where I'm like
00:39:24Let's be careful
00:39:25With the minutes here
00:39:26Let's be careful
00:39:27With the games
00:39:28Just because he's
00:39:29A guy
00:39:30Outside of out
00:39:31There's the
00:39:32Team USA stuff
00:39:33Kaufman
00:39:34That you point out
00:39:35With Jalen and Tatum
00:39:36There's the
00:39:37All NBA stuff
00:39:38With Jalen
00:39:39And then
00:39:40The last sort of
00:39:41Part of this is
00:39:42Let's not forget
00:39:43What everybody was saying
00:39:44Like during the playoffs
00:39:45Remember everybody's
00:39:46Picking Dallas
00:39:47More ESPN experts
00:39:48Pick Dallas than
00:39:49The Celtics
00:39:50And everybody's
00:39:51Sort of idea with this is
00:39:52Oh they didn't play anybody
00:39:53All these teams had injuries
00:39:54And everybody dismissed
00:39:55The fact that
00:39:56A guy that averaged
00:39:5720 points per game
00:39:58For the Celtics
00:39:59Wasn't playing at all
00:40:00It's Donovan Mitchell
00:40:01Going down for Cleveland
00:40:02Right or Jimmy Butler
00:40:03Although
00:40:04We're never going to
00:40:05Beat the Celtics
00:40:06The Mavericks were healthy
00:40:07They had their guys
00:40:08When they were in the
00:40:09NBA finals
00:40:10And they just beat
00:40:11Minnesota who beat
00:40:12The defending champs
00:40:13If you want to go
00:40:14Like down that whole road
00:40:15But the other thing is
00:40:16And I hate to bring up
00:40:17A Warriors comparison
00:40:18Because we just
00:40:19I was just bashing
00:40:20Steve Kerr
00:40:21Remember this same
00:40:22Conversation happened
00:40:23With the Warriors
00:40:24After they won
00:40:25It was hey
00:40:26Kyrie didn't play
00:40:27Remember Kyrie got hurt
00:40:28In game one
00:40:29The Cavs actually had a lead
00:40:30They were up 2-1
00:40:31In that series
00:40:32And then the next year
00:40:33Now ultimately
00:40:34The Warriors didn't win
00:40:35The NBA championship
00:40:36But they broke the record
00:40:37For the most wins
00:40:38In NBA history
00:40:39It was almost like
00:40:40Scorched earth
00:40:41I think that the Celtics
00:40:42Will come out
00:40:43Sort of in that fashion
00:40:44Now I hope they're careful
00:40:45And I think Missoula
00:40:46Is really good about
00:40:47The minutes stuff
00:40:48Outside of Tatum and Brown
00:40:49Like sometimes
00:40:50Why is Tatum in the game
00:40:51When they're up 20
00:40:52But he's really good with Al
00:40:53And that's the scary thing
00:40:54About Porzingis
00:40:55Because they were really
00:40:56Careful with Porzingis
00:40:57And he still ended up
00:40:58Winning the championship
00:40:59But my point with all this
00:41:00Is I think like
00:41:01For a team that
00:41:02Won a championship
00:41:03It's usually like
00:41:04This coronation right
00:41:05Like oh
00:41:06Giannis had the
00:41:0750 point game
00:41:08He finally won a championship
00:41:09Look what Kawhi did
00:41:10With the Raptors right
00:41:11LeBron
00:41:12Look at what he did
00:41:13In Cleveland
00:41:14Like beating that team
00:41:15Coming back from the
00:41:16Crate
00:41:17Even the Lakers
00:41:18Where they won
00:41:19The Peach Jam
00:41:20That AAU tournament
00:41:21They had in the
00:41:22In the Orlando bubble
00:41:23They won that
00:41:24Like he gets all this
00:41:25Credit and says
00:41:26It's the best championship
00:41:27They've ever won
00:41:28Even though nobody
00:41:29Had to travel
00:41:30But anyway
00:41:31My point with this is
00:41:32The Celtics
00:41:33It sort of felt like
00:41:34The opposite right
00:41:35Like they
00:41:36They haven't really
00:41:37Like I think the
00:41:38Players feel that way
00:41:39But there's almost been
00:41:40Like Tatum gets
00:41:41Criticism for not winning
00:41:42The NBA finals MVP
00:41:43It's kind of like
00:41:44Similar to what
00:41:45Happened with Curry
00:41:46Back at the beginning
00:41:47Of his career
00:41:48So I do think
00:41:49There's going to be
00:41:50Sort of like this
00:41:51FU attitude
00:41:52That this team has
00:41:53Yeah I want to hop
00:41:54On that for a second
00:41:55Because I was thinking
00:41:56Everything that has to
00:41:57Surround the Celtics
00:41:58This whole year
00:41:59Has just been an
00:42:00Absolute nightmare
00:42:01From like just a
00:42:02Discourse standpoint
00:42:03Like all season
00:42:04I mean you guys saw
00:42:05It was like
00:42:06Oh you know
00:42:07It won't mean anything
00:42:08Unless they win the finals
00:42:09Like nothing mattered
00:42:10Right and then they
00:42:11Go to the playoffs
00:42:12It's like oh
00:42:13Everybody's hurt
00:42:14This doesn't matter
00:42:15It just feels like
00:42:16There's like a toxic
00:42:17Discussion around this team
00:42:18And like even on
00:42:19Team USA right
00:42:20Like if Tatum
00:42:21Doesn't play
00:42:22And that's the
00:42:23Biggest storyline
00:42:24Dude
00:42:25And I know
00:42:26We're in the
00:42:27Dead time of content
00:42:28Right they got
00:42:29Footballs back
00:42:30So we don't have
00:42:31To deal with this
00:42:32All the time
00:42:33But that story
00:42:34Was like the
00:42:35A-block of like
00:42:36First things first
00:42:37And first take
00:42:38And like everybody
00:42:39Had a comment on it
00:42:40And like it just
00:42:41To me
00:42:42It just seems
00:42:43Like there's a lot
00:42:44Of negativity
00:42:45Surrounding this team
00:42:46Right no matter
00:42:47What it is
00:42:48Like it's not
00:42:49Like Jason's
00:42:50Like a hard guy
00:42:51To root for
00:42:52You know what I mean
00:42:53He's a great dad
00:42:54He's never like
00:42:55Involved in anything
00:42:56Off the court
00:42:57That has to do
00:42:58Like poorly
00:42:59He's not like he's
00:43:00John and I'm not
00:43:01Trying to kill
00:43:02John Moran here
00:43:03He's just made
00:43:04Bad decisions
00:43:05But like he's not
00:43:06Like John Moran
00:43:07Out there like
00:43:08Flashing guns
00:43:09At nightclubs
00:43:10And things
00:43:11He's like pretty
00:43:12Like laid back
00:43:13Just plays basketball
00:43:14And is a great dad
00:43:15Like I
00:43:16I compared him
00:43:17To Tim Duncan
00:43:18Years ago
00:43:19Because it just
00:43:20Seems like he's
00:43:21The easiest guy
00:43:22To root for
00:43:23And there's just
00:43:24Negativity
00:43:25That follows him
00:43:26Everywhere
00:43:27And it's driving me crazy
00:43:28And now
00:43:29Here we have this thing
00:43:30We've talked about it
00:43:31For an hour
00:43:32Basically right
00:43:33We haven't even
00:43:34Talked about anything else
00:43:35We haven't talked about
00:43:36Yabusele
00:43:37Like finding a role
00:43:38With Team France
00:43:39Like was Danny right
00:43:40About that the whole time
00:43:41We haven't talked about
00:43:42The possible FSG stuff
00:43:43We've talked about
00:43:44Only about Jason Tatum
00:43:45In this one game
00:43:46For an hour
00:43:47Why is it like this boys
00:43:48Like why is it
00:43:49Help me out
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00:54:30Schroeder is like a totally different player in FIBA.
00:54:33The Wagner brothers are really good and Franz just,
00:54:36he wasn't good in the last game
00:54:38and he had been having an outstanding tournament,
00:54:40but those guys have a lot of athletic players,
00:54:42so I thought Germany would have had a chance.
00:54:43I just, I don't think they have enough offense
00:54:46to compete with the US
00:54:47and I actually think what they're gonna do defensively,
00:54:50and remember Embiid went, I think Embiid's,
00:54:53wasn't Embiid's 70-point game against Wembley?
00:54:56I believe it was, but I think what-
00:54:58Not against Gobert, because it was,
00:55:00well, no, no, you might be right, you're right.
00:55:03I think it was against Wembley,
00:55:04but I could be wrong on that,
00:55:05but I think that they're gonna put somebody else on Wembley.
00:55:10I don't think that it's gonna be Embiid.
00:55:13I think they may, we saw Lebron go at Jokic,
00:55:15I think they may try to get physical with Wembley
00:55:18and just have Embiid off the ball.
00:55:19I just, I don't think France has enough firepower
00:55:22to keep up with the US and quite frankly,
00:55:24I don't think they're gonna be able
00:55:25to stop the US offensively.
00:55:27Their tougher game was in the semifinals against Serbia,
00:55:31and I would say that's at least,
00:55:32it has to be in some capacity, a wake-up call for Team USA.
00:55:37I wish it was Germany to be, and look,
00:55:39the atmosphere is probably gonna be crazy, right,
00:55:41because they're playing at home.
00:55:43Obviously, the French crowd hates Embiid
00:55:45because Embiid was contemplating playing for them.
00:55:47So maybe the atmosphere helps France,
00:55:50like the home court advantage, but I just, I don't see.
00:55:53I wish it was Germany or Canada, quite frankly.
00:55:57Not excited, because France was so bad in pool play.
00:55:59The reason they're in this is because
00:56:01they got that stupid four-point play.
00:56:03Remember that?
00:56:04At the end of the Japan game, they got a stupid,
00:56:05and they kicked Rui Hachimura out of the game.
00:56:08Like, that's the reason they beat Japan.
00:56:09That's the only reason they're in this.
00:56:11Yeah, but it only takes, it's only one game,
00:56:13so I don't know that anything can happen.
00:56:15My point with Kauffman was, we were fishing around
00:56:18for something to talk about,
00:56:19because until Tatum got benched against Serbia,
00:56:23there was really just not a lot to talk about,
00:56:25and so I was like, you know, can we do a segment on,
00:56:29good thing they said they got their title now,
00:56:31because Wembley's coming, Wembley's here,
00:56:33he's gonna start to own this league,
00:56:34and it's gonna be way harder to win,
00:56:36because Wembley's nuts, and then, of course,
00:56:38the Serbia game's happened, so, you know,
00:56:40obviously, things are a little different.
00:56:43I'm not, after what I just saw against Serbia,
00:56:45again, I believe in the USA, I think they're gonna win,
00:56:48but, you know, Wembley can go off for a game,
00:56:50and the fact that he can dominate the game
00:56:53on both ends of the floor if he's shooting well,
00:56:55like, I know he hasn't shot well,
00:56:57but, again, like Curry yesterday, or Curry Thursday,
00:57:01you know, he finally has a really great game
00:57:04shooting the basketball, has 36 points in the game,
00:57:07first really good shooting game from the tournament,
00:57:09Wembley could have, because he's just got ridiculous range,
00:57:13and can dunk on anybody, he could easily have a big impact
00:57:17on the offensive end, in addition to all the stuff
00:57:20that he does defensively, where he just scares people
00:57:22from getting fast break layups, I mean,
00:57:23he's in everybody's head, you know, as a trail guy,
00:57:26whenever you're going down the floor,
00:57:28so, I do think, you know, the USA will win this game,
00:57:32but I'm not putting anything, it's only one game,
00:57:35it's only 40 minutes, not 48, like, it's,
00:57:38again, I don't know about you guys,
00:57:39but at a certain point, I'm like,
00:57:40does Team USA know this is only 40 minutes and not 48,
00:57:43there's not enough time to come back in this one,
00:57:45in the third quarter, fourth quarter,
00:57:47they're down double digits, I'm like,
00:57:48there's no way they're gonna do this,
00:57:50and then, you know, they magically,
00:57:52it was the Durant three, then the Booker three,
00:57:54consecutively, that really bailed them out,
00:57:57you know, whether that was a foul on Jokic or not,
00:57:59I thought it was, did Ant pull him down,
00:58:01I don't think so, or did Davis pull him down,
00:58:04I don't think so, I thought Jokic kind of ran him over,
00:58:07but that was the turning point of the game right there,
00:58:09you know, Durant hits that three,
00:58:10then Booker gets the three, six point swing,
00:58:13then, you know, then the rest is history.
00:58:15Yeah, the one thing that that French team has found
00:58:17is that guy, I can't tell if I'm pronouncing this correctly,
00:58:22but the Courtenay guy, who's like super fast,
00:58:25like he's been good for them recently,
00:58:26but even if you go back to their last game that they won,
00:58:29they only shot six of 27 from three,
00:58:32and look, their defense has been much better without,
00:58:34somehow without going with the defensive player of the year
00:58:37in the NBA, but we'll see, man, like it would be,
00:58:40and I think the one way that they can sort of stay,
00:58:43like I, and this is gonna sound cliche,
00:58:45but I think the start is so important for them,
00:58:48because the US is putting out a defensive unit
00:58:50that's not good, like it's not a good defensive group,
00:58:53they turned it on and they played better
00:58:55late against Serbia, but that's, I talked about it earlier,
00:58:58the defensive personnel is not great
00:59:00in their starting lineup,
00:59:01Serbia got out to the lead against that group,
00:59:03like Curry was the story of the first,
00:59:05like 14 of the first 15 points,
00:59:06but it's like, oh wait, they're down,
00:59:08because Serbia was generating all these good shots,
00:59:11so I think it's gonna come down to,
00:59:12hey, can France get up on that starting unit?
00:59:14Because if they can, I mean,
00:59:15then they're gonna have the crowd behind them.
00:59:18I kind of hope it works out that way,
00:59:19I mean, obviously I want the US to win,
00:59:21but I would like it to be like,
00:59:23that game, like just from a pure basketball perspective,
00:59:26that game was awesome,
00:59:27like the Serbia-US game was so much fun, I thought,
00:59:30I mean, Jokic was unreal
00:59:31with some of the passes he was making.
00:59:33Yeah, I'm with you, again,
00:59:35not to sound un-American or whatever,
00:59:38I want Team USA to win, but give us a game,
00:59:42give us something fun, it's a gold medal game,
00:59:44and I don't think any of the three of us,
00:59:46or probably most people listening are gonna lose any sleep
00:59:48if France does actually win this thing,
00:59:50not that I see it happening,
00:59:51but give us something competitive,
00:59:53I think that would be fun.
00:59:54But yeah, I do wonder, you know,
00:59:57if I'm betting the thing, because I probably am,
00:59:59I do wonder if what happened with Team USA against Serbia
01:00:05is a, not to be cliche, but a wake-up call
01:00:08to where US does come in and blow doors,
01:00:11or if that is an indication that this team
01:00:13is not exactly maybe what we thought it was
01:00:16earlier in the tournament,
01:00:17and France is gonna find a way to keep this thing close
01:00:19and make it competitive, you know,
01:00:21and therefore you bet the plus 16.
01:00:23I don't know, just something to think about, obviously,
01:00:25and to each their own,
01:00:26in terms of how you wanna handicap this thing.
01:00:28But Tatum, at least around here, is the biggest story,
01:00:32and Brown before that, and you know, what's still to come
01:00:35here as we sit in almost mid-August, which is kinda crazy,
01:00:39so September right around the corner,
01:00:42camp and preseason and regular season's
01:00:45all rapidly approaching.
01:00:47I mean, there is basketball on the way
01:00:49for the Boston Celtics, not just a, you know,
01:00:52trio of Boston Celtics that are busy there in France.
01:00:55But Barrett, thanks so much for hopping on, man.
01:00:58We appreciate it.
01:00:59Make sure, obviously, you check out
01:01:00the Off the Pike Ringer podcast that Barrett hosts.
01:01:04You can get Brian on Twitter, it's Brian Barrett.
01:01:06He just put out a show with Tom Caron of Nessun
01:01:08talking about the Red Sox, who are fun again,
01:01:12and we'll see what they can do against the Astros.
01:01:14Just, again, betting, bet the over.
01:01:17Expect runs in that one, and pretty much every game,
01:01:19because that has been the trend for these Sox
01:01:21throughout the year.
01:01:22They can hit, they can't pitch, and those things
01:01:24oftentimes go together and lead to a lot of scoring.
01:01:28But it's a wild card chase, a lot of fun,
01:01:29and maybe, just maybe, as we get closer and closer to that,
01:01:33we'll sprinkle in a thought of that as well.
01:01:34But it is primarily a basketball podcast,
01:01:38so we don't bother.
01:01:39But Barrett, like I said, thanks for hopping on.
01:01:41Nev, always a pleasure.
01:01:44Thanks for having me, fellas.
01:01:45It's Celtics Beat.
01:01:46We'll see you again next time.
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Gary Washburn on KAT joining the Knicks + JT and JB's Mindset | Cedric Maxwell Podcast
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How does Joe Mazzulla stack up against other NBA coaches? | Bob Ryan and Jeff Goodman Podcast
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Mazzulla's Candid Interview Shows He's Perfect for Celtics w/ Chris Forsberg | Celtics Beat
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Quick takeaways from Celtics vs. Raptors | You Got Boston
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44:15
Jimmy Butler to the Warriors or Lakers & other bold NBA predictions | Cedric Maxwell Podcast
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59:54
Celtics Banner 18 Defense Starts Now | Big 3 NBA Podcast
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48:08
America is Falling in Love w/ Derrick White w/ Keith Smith | Celtics Beat
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29:36
What surprising Lonnie Walker signing means for Celtics | Still Poddable
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47:05
How Did the NBA Let the Celtics Sign Lonnie Walker w/ Steve Bulpett | Celtics Beat
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44:58
Celtics Season Review and Player AWARDS | Big 3 NBA Podcast
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47:43
Celtics Rivals: Why Cavs Will Be Better in 2025 | Garden Report
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Celtics Offseason Mailbag: Whats Going on with Jaylen Brown? | Still Poddable
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