Gary Washburn on KAT joining the Knicks + JT and JB's Mindset | Cedric Maxwell Podcast
Join Cedric Maxwell, Josue Pavon, and Gary Washburn for an insightful episode of the Cedric Maxwell Podcast as they dive into the latest NBA developments, including Karl Anthony Towns' transition to the New York Knicks and the challenges he faces in adapting to a more physical style of play. With high expectations following his trade from Minnesota, they explore whether Towns can rise to the occasion and match the intensity of his new teammates.
The conversation also shifts to the Boston Celtics, who are gearing up for a tougher season as defending champions, with Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown motivated to prove their doubters wrong. They reflect on the historical significance of the Celtics, examining pivotal moments and the cultural narratives that have shaped the franchise. Tune in for a deep dive into basketball's rich history and the personal experiences that highlight the complexities of the game.
0:00 - Intro
3:00 - Biggest Surprises
5:01 - Tatum's Adjustments
8:45 - MVP Conversations
10:20 - Celtics' Playoff Journey
12:50 - Shaq's Championship History
14:57 - Porzingis' Injury Impact
17:28 - Towns' Hall of Fame Potential
19:00 - Towns' Toughness Questioned
20:58 - Knicks' Trade Analysis
24:18 - New York Spotlight Pressure
26:35 - Rebounding by Committee
29:00 - Book on Celtics
30:53 - Celtics History Insights
34:51 - Surprising Celtics Facts
40:03 - Mastery of Red
42:10 - Stereotypes in Basketball
45:12 - Racial Issues in LA
49:00 - LA vs Boston Perception
52:20 - Clippers Treatment
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The conversation also shifts to the Boston Celtics, who are gearing up for a tougher season as defending champions, with Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown motivated to prove their doubters wrong. They reflect on the historical significance of the Celtics, examining pivotal moments and the cultural narratives that have shaped the franchise. Tune in for a deep dive into basketball's rich history and the personal experiences that highlight the complexities of the game.
0:00 - Intro
3:00 - Biggest Surprises
5:01 - Tatum's Adjustments
8:45 - MVP Conversations
10:20 - Celtics' Playoff Journey
12:50 - Shaq's Championship History
14:57 - Porzingis' Injury Impact
17:28 - Towns' Hall of Fame Potential
19:00 - Towns' Toughness Questioned
20:58 - Knicks' Trade Analysis
24:18 - New York Spotlight Pressure
26:35 - Rebounding by Committee
29:00 - Book on Celtics
30:53 - Celtics History Insights
34:51 - Surprising Celtics Facts
40:03 - Mastery of Red
42:10 - Stereotypes in Basketball
45:12 - Racial Issues in LA
49:00 - LA vs Boston Perception
52:20 - Clippers Treatment
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00:00and the Game Time app.
00:02Alright, it's another episode of the Cedric Maxwell Podcast.
00:04Special guest, we got the,
00:06something starting off the
00:08pre-season schedule,
00:10but we got Gary Washburn
00:12from the Boston Globe with us.
00:14What's up, Gary? How you doing?
00:16What's up, guys? How y'all doing?
00:18I'm good.
00:20I'm good.
00:22I'm good.
00:24I'm good.
00:26I'm good.
00:28What's up, guys? How y'all doing?
00:30Another year.
00:32Should be fun.
00:34Yeah, I'm sure you're excited about it, man.
00:36It's the Champions, man. You got the
00:38ring ceremony, you got all that good stuff coming up,
00:40you know, in a couple weeks.
00:42But first things first, you know, it's the pre-season.
00:44Cedric Maxwell Podcast, he's Cedric Maxwell,
00:46I'm Joseph Clavone. Gary Washburn
00:48joining us again.
00:50Just take us through the last,
00:52take us through training camp, Gary.
00:54What was it like, man? What were these guys like?
00:56What's the overall vibe right now?
00:58Good vibe. I mean, honestly, they're,
01:00I mean, Missoula, you know, he was gonna work
01:02them hard. He's been working them hard,
01:04and they've talked about some most,
01:06you know, probably the most intense
01:08training camp since he's been the coach.
01:10And I think he's
01:12trying to prepare them for the
01:14onslaught of what's
01:16gonna happen to them. All the teams,
01:18they're gonna be everybody's Super Bowl.
01:20Teams are coming at them.
01:22The Knicks, obviously, with, you know, getting
01:24the Towns and Philadelphia
01:26and all these teams are gonna be shooting at them.
01:28So they're gonna have to be ready
01:30every night. And so
01:32I think he's pushed them to
01:34the brink in terms of just their
01:36physical aspect, long
01:38practices, getting those guys
01:40tired, getting them ready, and then
01:42obviously now Adubati or
01:44Abu Dhabi, Abu Dhabi.
01:46Abu Dhabi. Yeah,
01:48there's been there. I think that can galvanize
01:50the team, and then they get back, and they get back
01:52to the grind. So they're
01:54gonna need to be ready. And obviously, no poor Zingas
01:56for a couple of months.
01:58They're gonna have to be ready because, as I said,
02:00teams are gonna be coming at them.
02:02And as Max knows,
02:04that year after is just so
02:06much more difficult
02:08than winning it because
02:10just things don't
02:12work out. Just human nature,
02:14things just don't work out the way
02:16it did. Very few teams
02:18come back. And even
02:20we can talk about the 0-9 Celtics.
02:22They started
02:24what, 29-2 or 27-2,
02:26and they were wiping dudes out,
02:28then all of a sudden Garnett got hurt,
02:30and that kind of ruined everything.
02:32So even though they might
02:34get off to a good start, they've got to expect
02:36more adversity than they
02:38did last year just from human nature
02:40just because that's what happened. So
02:42I think they're prepared.
02:44It was a positive week,
02:46and I think
02:48everybody obviously comes to camp in
02:50shape. No one's trying to get in
02:52shape anymore in camp.
02:54So, so far, so good.
02:56What was your
02:58biggest surprises
03:00during the camp that you looked at?
03:02Biggest surprises, biggest disappointments
03:04where you went, huh?
03:06I didn't really see any disappointments.
03:08We got good looking.
03:10We saw them scrimmage.
03:12They just come in there shooting free throws.
03:14You know,
03:16I think the surprise was probably going to be
03:18a guy like Lonnie Walker coming in
03:20and probably contributing to this team
03:22even though he's on an exhibit team contract.
03:24There's no real disappointments.
03:26I mean, the only disappointment you would think would be
03:28Porzingis not being able,
03:30but he's still, you know, he's shooting.
03:32He's on the floor. It's not like he's running back and forth
03:34and he's doing five-on-five,
03:36but probably the only disappointment would be
03:38Porzingis. Everybody else,
03:40I mean, you know, we don't, I said before,
03:42we don't get a chance to see a whole lot
03:44and we're seeing guys getting smoked
03:46or getting, you know,
03:48anything on, any scrimmages
03:50or whatever, so we can only look at
03:52how they look. Everybody looks fine.
03:54There's nobody who's, you would see,
03:56oh, he's a little bit, a little chunky.
03:58Nobody's out of shape.
04:00Everybody looks fine.
04:02You know, I'm up there looking,
04:04Memeus is taking
04:06three-pointers and hitting them,
04:08you know, Kata,
04:10and Jason Tatum is one thing.
04:12He's changed his release on his three
04:14a little bit. He definitely had to go back
04:16to the lab on that three-pointer.
04:18Obviously, he struggled during the finals
04:20or during the playoffs on his three.
04:22He had a decent regular season shooting three,
04:24but then even the last playoffs in 23,
04:26he has, his shot has not been
04:28there. Then obviously, he did not hit a three
04:30in the Olympics, so
04:32you can tell he's worked on his release
04:34to speed it up a little bit. He had a little
04:36hitch in it, you know,
04:38because obviously, he shoots the ball
04:40from the waist, and
04:42he brings it up, and he was,
04:44he's trying to get rid of that hitch
04:46that he had in the middle
04:48of his upward release, so
04:50that was the one thing I did notice, is
04:52Tatum definitely has worked
04:54and done some adjustments
04:56to his fundamentals.
04:58Well, the thing I look at, and especially
05:00for this season coming in, obviously,
05:02just like you said,
05:04just the toughness of the season,
05:06and it is the repeat,
05:08and teams are going to be after you.
05:10I just wonder,
05:12is there more fuel
05:14in the fire because of the way
05:16Jason Tatum was
05:18portrayed during the Olympics
05:20and the way Jaylon Brown was supposedly
05:22snubbed during the
05:24Olympics, and will that
05:26give this team more
05:28fuel when it comes to playing
05:30during the regular season?
05:32Yeah, I think it has to.
05:34I mean, one, people are
05:36saying where Tatum is. Hold on before
05:38you answer that question. How the hell
05:40would Joe Mazula answer it?
05:42Oh, he loves it.
05:44He loves it.
05:46He loves that his players got a chip
05:48on their shoulder. He's loving that. He's loving
05:50what Steve Kerr did. He's loving
05:52that Grant Hill didn't even
05:54return Jaylon's text messages.
05:56He loves that.
05:58He loves that.
06:00You want your players with something hungry
06:02to chase.
06:04Grant said
06:06he talked to Jaylon.
06:08He said
06:10as a rejection
06:12to tell him you ain't coming.
06:14That's real nice,
06:16Max.
06:18That's a polite...
06:20Yeah, I called you back.
06:22Yeah, you called me back to tell me
06:24you weren't interested. Thank you.
06:26That's sweet of you.
06:30Thank you, sweetie.
06:32You could have just ghosted me.
06:36I mean, you want to give the girl credit
06:38for calling you back
06:40to tell you, no, thank you.
06:42Thanks for nothing. Okay.
06:44You can give her credit.
06:46I guess she called.
06:48I guess I was considerate. She called
06:50and said she wasn't interested.
06:54You're nice for someone else.
06:58I mean, to me,
07:00all of them should have a major chip
07:02and I think Joe Mizzou has got to be
07:04really kind of
07:06pleased with that because what you don't want
07:08is guys
07:10who are comfortable, relaxed,
07:12basking in the glory of the championship.
07:14Oh, you're the greatest
07:16because that's all they're getting told.
07:18And now people are questioning,
07:20hey, is Jason really a top five player?
07:22Has he deserved being
07:24all NBA first team three years in a row
07:26or is that just because
07:28he's on a winning team and he
07:30puts up numbers in certain situations?
07:32When is he going to be that MF?
07:36I thought it should have been last year, but
07:38when is Jason going to be a legit
07:40MVP candidate? I looked at the odds.
07:42He is ninth in odds
07:44in terms of players.
07:46There are eight guys above him
07:48with better odds to win the MVP this year.
07:50He should be insulted by that.
07:52Who are the eight guys?
07:54Luka, Anthony Edwards,
07:56Giannis.
07:58Shoot, I forgot
08:00the whole list.
08:02Joker, Embiid.
08:04Yeah, Embiid.
08:06I think even maybe
08:08SGA.
08:10Yeah, SGA.
08:12There's eight guys I saw ahead of Jason
08:14in terms of the odds.
08:16Jason should be insulted by that.
08:18That's telling you you're a top ten player
08:20but you ain't top five, bro.
08:22Is Jason here to prove that?
08:24I know he can't get on a personal
08:26crusade to
08:28try to prove he's the man
08:30and divert from the team,
08:32but he's definitely got to be motivated, him and Jalen,
08:34to show
08:36that they are
08:38a top two duo
08:40in the league and that
08:42Jason is a legit
08:44MVP candidate.
08:46He should want to be a legit
08:48in that MVP conversation this year.
08:50Yeah, I mean,
08:52I feel like they also have a chip on their shoulder.
08:54You have people calling this the
08:56easiest championship of all time.
08:58That's what Shaq said.
09:00That's what a lot of the people, national media
09:02is saying.
09:04Despite everyone
09:06coming back healthy and all that,
09:08can we really look back on last year's playoffs and say,
09:10man, if Halliburton was in the mix
09:12or, man,
09:14if every team
09:16that's on this play were completely
09:18unhealthy, they all would have went to Game 7.
09:20I don't think anyone feels that way,
09:22honestly, but that's
09:24the narrative. That's the take that we're hearing
09:26in the national media.
09:28I just think there's a natural
09:30... I think people are always
09:32... because of the Celtics' failures in the last
09:34few years, especially the Miami series
09:36and losing to the Warriors,
09:38I think everyone was waiting
09:40for the other shoe to drop in terms of this team,
09:42and it never happened.
09:44Did they get a break
09:46when Donovan Mitchell was hurt,
09:48but they beat Cleveland in five.
09:50Miami was just not ready.
09:52Miami, obviously, without Jimmy Butler,
09:54but the Celtics
09:56won in five. What do you want them to do?
09:58In Indiana,
10:00they won close games,
10:02but they swept. They won all four.
10:04What do you expect?
10:06Everybody said Dallas is going to beat them in five.
10:08They beat Dallas in five. Dallas
10:10basically had one
10:12good game in the series,
10:14and the Celtics dominated the rest of the series.
10:16I mean,
10:18they should
10:20take it as a slap in the face
10:22when all these experts are saying,
10:24oh, it was easy,
10:26and I don't respect them
10:28for that.
10:30Let's be honest.
10:32I grew up a Laker fan.
10:34Shaq's team ...
10:36Wait a minute, Max.
10:38Wait a minute, Max.
10:40Shaq's team
10:42beat in the finals Philadelphia,
10:44Indiana,
10:46and New Jersey.
10:48There were no juggernauts.
10:50When they played the Pistons,
10:52they got whooped
10:54the next year.
10:56Ain't nobody talking about the
10:580-2 Pacers
11:00or one of the great teams.
11:02They were good, solid teams.
11:04Or the Nets, 0-2 Nets.
11:06Yeah, or the Nets
11:08or the Sixers were basically
11:10the guy and our
11:12late friend, the great
11:14...
11:16I never
11:18said ...
11:20They wouldn't beat the Celtics.
11:22They wouldn't beat the 85s.
11:24You mean Aaron McKee and Eric Snow
11:26and all of them?
11:28No offense.
11:30They had a great road.
11:32The teams in the West were harder,
11:34the Portlands,
11:36barely got by Portland.
11:38Revenge in this history is killing me because
11:40basically Portland blew that
11:42Game 7. If y'all remember that one at the Staples
11:44Center, the Robert Ory game.
11:46How happy were you
11:48that night and how mad I was?
11:50I couldn't really think back because I remember
11:52I was covering baseball then
11:54and it was a
11:56Sunday game and we had a
11:58lunch over
12:00we had a post-game
12:02thing over
12:04the manager's house
12:06or something like that
12:08and I was driving and I remember
12:10listening like, oh man, they're going to lose
12:12and then all of a sudden we got to the manager's house
12:14for the post-game thing
12:16where we were attending the reporters
12:18and they had come back and it was like
12:20I can't believe it. I couldn't believe
12:22they blew ...
12:24This is history
12:26here. Shaq and them,
12:28great teams, Kobe,
12:30we all love Kobe, but they
12:32didn't have the most difficult road.
12:34They had a Western Conference Finals.
12:36Everybody talked about Game 7 at Sacramento.
12:38People think that David Stern
12:40had some few words
12:42with the officials because he won the Lakers in the
12:44Finals.
12:46I just think that the revisionist history
12:48been us there.
12:50The road ...
12:52Golden State played Cleveland four years
12:54in a row with LeBron and a bunch of other
12:56dudes.
12:58Those weren't
13:00all-time great teams.
13:02Your road
13:04is your road. Your journey is your journey.
13:06You can't get ...
13:08Look at Mack. Mack's the
13:1081 Celtics. Y'all was waiting
13:12for the Lakers. Y'all was waiting for the
13:14Lakers. The Lakers couldn't make it out
13:16of the first round. Y'all was waiting.
13:18The Lakers were a mess
13:20in 81. Magic got the coach
13:22fired.
13:24It was just like they were a mess.
13:26Everybody was like,
13:28Magic ... Everybody thought Magic was a
13:30baby, a brat,
13:32a coach killer. He got the
13:34coach fired.
13:36They ended up losing to Moses and them
13:38in the 81
13:40miniseries. Houston was
13:42a lower seed. Houston just
13:44beat them up. A guy named Allen
13:46Level, always liked Allen Level. The late
13:48Robert Reed.
13:50The Celtics were waiting.
13:52They wanted the Lakers.
13:54Then they ended up playing the Rockets.
13:56They ended up being better than the Rockets.
13:58Sometimes your road is your road.
14:00I can't blame the Celtics and go,
14:02Oh, it's the Celtics. No.
14:04The Lakers just didn't get it done.
14:06Injuries happen.
14:08The Celtics ...
14:10Let's be honest.
14:12Poor Zingas didn't play most of the playoffs.
14:14They didn't have
14:16their starting center.
14:18No one mentions that.
14:20Running out 37-year-old Al Horford.
14:22And Luke Cornett.
14:24Nobody talks about that.
14:26The Celtics weren't at full strength.
14:28Zingas played on one leg
14:30during the finals. He probably
14:32should not have been out there. Let's be honest.
14:34He should not have been out there.
14:36Probably, I don't know if playing
14:38in Game 5 made his injury worse.
14:40I mean ...
14:42You mean Game 1?
14:44He played in Game 5, remember?
14:46When he came out of ...
14:48He played like 16 minutes or whatever.
14:50I don't think that helped his injury.
14:52I mean,
14:54it's ...
14:56They should use that as fuel
14:58and motivation. They don't respect us.
15:00Now, everybody talking about
15:02the Knicks. We'll see.
15:04What do you think about the
15:06old Carl Anthony Townsend?
15:08Yeah, you just told my question. There you go.
15:10How does he go
15:12into a ... Because this is a guy
15:14who's played in Minnesota all his life.
15:16And we know
15:18Minnesota, the spotlight isn't there.
15:20New York, Madison Square Garden,
15:22that's a different beast.
15:24And we've seen some of the best players
15:26go into that place and
15:28wilt. Wilt because of the
15:30pressure that's on them.
15:32And the New York fans, they know the game.
15:34But does it give
15:36this kid an opportunity to step up
15:38to another level?
15:40Because there are times when he can be
15:42scary. But then there's times when
15:44he's just so fucking dumb.
15:46I mean, I've never seen a guy
15:48commit so many fouls
15:50that were so damn obvious.
15:52You, as a center, you're not
15:54going to steal the ball from a guard coming down
15:5660 feet away from him
15:58and you just swipe and hit him in the face
16:00and then you put your hands up in there like
16:02you didn't do anything.
16:04I just want to know, how do you feel like
16:06that pressure that's going to be on him?
16:08Especially with a guy like Devin
16:10Chinzo leaving.
16:12He was a fan favorite.
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17:38quote unquote Hall of Fame caliber
17:40player. What I mean by that is
17:42former number one overall pick.
17:46Look at his career averages, Max.
17:5023-11.
17:5239%
17:54from 3.
17:56Numbers wise, he's lived
17:58up to the hype. Numbers wise.
18:02If you put those numbers up,
18:04multi-time all-star, he's
18:06probably going to go to the Hall.
18:08Now,
18:10the question is,
18:12as everybody's questioning about him
18:14throughout his career, how tough is he?
18:16Because he likes to stay on the perimeter.
18:18He's a Porzingis type.
18:20Porzingis doesn't have the body
18:22to play physical ball.
18:24Towns does, but just
18:26doesn't like it. So when they got
18:28Rudy Gobert a couple years ago,
18:30Towns gladly
18:32moved to the perimeter and was taking more
18:34threes. But if you look at his
18:36early career when he was the 5,
18:38he was averaging 12 plus rebounds
18:40a game. He was 25-12.
18:42Last year, Max, he averaged 8 rebounds
18:44a game.
18:46I think that's less than Tatum.
18:50Who's going to be like,
18:52okay, Carl, you're the 5
18:54now in New York.
18:56Ain't no 4, ain't no stretch forward.
18:58You can play some 4s, you can take some 3s,
19:00but you're going to get down and dirty.
19:02How tough are you when you're dealing
19:04with, and look at your team.
19:06You've got a bunch of dogs in that team.
19:08Brunson's a dog. Little guy, but he's a damn
19:10dog. Josh Hart's a dog.
19:12Adinobi's a dog.
19:14And Markel Bridge is a dog.
19:16So are you going to be a dog with them?
19:18Or are you going to be that guy trying to take 3s,
19:20telling them I'm the best shooting big man in the world?
19:22That's a great title. You ain't got no championships.
19:24Look at the series
19:26against Dallas. He didn't show up.
19:28I think he was like 37% from the field.
19:30That was the biggest stage
19:32in his career.
19:34The Western Conference Finals,
19:36and he was essentially a no-show.
19:38So you're right, Max.
19:40In New York, people ain't going to accept that.
19:42And you're making $50 million?
19:44He's going to be
19:46on the back page every day.
19:48I don't know about this deal
19:50because you traded
19:52two dogs to get him.
19:54Randall, who
19:56the Celtics would never guard him.
19:58That dude too physical.
20:00He's straight up.
20:02He reminds me of a guy that you played
20:04against, Max. Lonnie Shelton.
20:06Just that dude that you don't want to see in a dark alley.
20:08Randall's
20:10a tough dude.
20:14Dark alley? Light
20:16alley?
20:18Lonnie Shelton was not
20:20to be played with.
20:22Look up Lonnie Shelton
20:24and you see his picture, you'd be like,
20:26damn, that dude still, God bless him,
20:28but Lonnie was
20:30a real deal
20:32power forward. He was taking cats
20:34out. So
20:36Randall, and then you traded DeFrancisco
20:38who was another dog.
20:40Fearless, loved the New York State.
20:42The Nova boys, man.
20:44Got to New York, wasn't afraid
20:46after bouncing around
20:48Golden State and there's been a couple
20:50other places. Got to New York and
20:52flourished. So you traded your best
20:54three-point shooter and you traded a
20:56dog for a cat.
20:58Sorry for the
21:00no pun intended.
21:04So I'm thinking
21:06to myself, cat
21:08got to turn into a dog. He got to be
21:10a tough guy and he got to take
21:12the criticism, ignore it
21:14or whatever he does.
21:16We haven't
21:18seen that. We've seen
21:20him put up the numbers, Max
21:22Josue in Minnesota. We've
21:24seen him be great, make all-star games,
21:26win three-point contests and all that.
21:28But
21:30what else have you done
21:32when you had a loaded team with
21:34Gobert, Mike Conley,
21:36Ant-Man,
21:38y'all got punked in the
21:40conference finals.
21:42So
21:44it's all on him. I don't know
21:46about this trade. I can't say,
21:48Nick's won. I think the Timberwolves
21:50made out pretty good.
21:52They gave him a salary.
21:54Now, Randall's an impending free
21:56agent. Are you going to bring him back?
21:58What's he going to ask for? You want to pay him
22:00$40 million a year because that's the going rate?
22:02That's a discount for some of these guys
22:04these days. The days of
22:06dudes making 25 is
22:08gone like a star player.
22:10Randall's going to be asking for 40.
22:12But you also have Devin
22:14Chinzo and you got
22:16dudes with some chips
22:18on their shoulder in Minnesota.
22:20Towns, I think
22:22he plays a pretty game. He can
22:24shoot the ball. He's got the
22:26skills. We just haven't seen the
22:28toughness. We haven't seen him
22:30dominate Yokich in the playoffs.
22:32We haven't seen him dominate
22:34even
22:36at Dallas series. They got
22:38mocked and it's like that's
22:40on him too.
22:42I don't know. I wish
22:44I could say Towns is going to show up and be just
22:46this different guy but
22:48he's been kind of hiding out
22:50in Minnesota.
22:52Let me ask you this then.
22:54Would you have rolled the dice?
22:56If you've been the GM, do you roll
22:58the dice with potential?
23:00Do you think, because I don't believe
23:02the Knicks were good enough to win it
23:04the way they were constituted
23:06unless Randall came
23:08back and you fit him in.
23:10Towns could be a
23:12X factor
23:14when you play a
23:16team like the Sevenths.
23:18He can take
23:20Horford and Porzingis away from the basket.
23:22We'll see on opening night how that
23:24works out.
23:26We all know he's got
23:28the skills but first of all
23:30he's about to be 29. This is his
23:32prime. This is supposed to be his
23:34time. There's no more potential.
23:36He came into the league
23:38at 15 I want to say.
23:40He's been around.
23:42Is this who he is?
23:44That's it. The numbers
23:46are there guys.
23:48The dubs, the leadership
23:50all that, yeah.
23:52Four-time all-star.
23:54Last year,
23:5621.8 points, 8.3
23:58rebounds. He averaged
24:0012.3 rebounds
24:02in his third season.
24:04Eight rebounds?
24:06Hell no.
24:08You too big.
24:10Hell no, man.
24:12If he doesn't do this this year
24:14in a place like New York,
24:16this could break him.
24:18This could really break him.
24:20New York? Absolutely, man.
24:22It could break him
24:24because you're on the stage
24:26where
24:28Brunson has the ball a lot.
24:30I'm trying to think where he
24:32gets the ball because Brunson
24:34dominates the ball.
24:36You got all these other guys
24:38who are wing guys who just shoot it from the
24:40outside. Where do you
24:42fit him in to get his points?
24:44Especially if he doesn't want to go into paint
24:46and if he's guarding a guy like Joel Embiid.
24:48One thing I do remember though,
24:50one of the last real fights I saw in the NBA
24:52might have been him and Joel Embiid
24:54when they were...
24:56Am I correct here? When they were under the rim
24:58and they were... Ben Simmons put him in a headlock?
25:00Yeah. I was like...
25:02That was bad.
25:04You got him up there.
25:06You're bringing, especially
25:08coming into New York,
25:10you're bringing some bad blood in
25:12against Joel Embiid. I do like
25:14that particular thing. I like the fact
25:16that you...
25:18I'm kind of
25:20up and down with it.
25:22That's the only way you can be because we don't
25:24know whether Towns
25:26is going to step up his game in the New York
25:28spotlight or whether he's
25:30going to be just who he is
25:32and hopefully it works
25:34because now, if you're New York,
25:36you don't have... Mitchell Robinson's out
25:38indefinitely.
25:40Who's your backup five? Jericho
25:42Sims? Are you going to move
25:44Ananobe to the five at times and go
25:46small? What are you going to do at
25:48the five? Towns
25:50is going to be a center. He's like
25:52Anthony Davis. He don't like playing the five.
25:54He liked the four.
25:56And he was the four with Rudy Gobert
25:58there because obviously you've got the legitimate five
26:00there who can't do anything besides
26:02rebound and block shots and Gobert.
26:04So Towns was comfortable
26:06in that role, but now you're the five.
26:08Ain't no other fives on that
26:10team. But it doesn't make any difference
26:12about being a five these days.
26:14Who in the Eastern Conference, other than
26:16Joel Embiid, is a load
26:18that you look at that you're going to say,
26:20I've got to guard this guy in the post?
26:22What other guy do you think... There's not a lot, but my
26:24whole thing is when you're a five, you've got to get
26:26more boards and you've got to do more dirty
26:28work. You've got to... You can
26:30be outside in the paint. I mean,
26:32you can be outside, but
26:34you've got to do more boards and have
26:36more dirty work. Who's going to rebound for them?
26:38Unless they're going to do it... They can do it by committee.
26:40Ed Inouye's a good rebounder.
26:42Bridges is a good rebounder.
26:44Josh Hart's a great rebounder for his side,
26:46so maybe they can rebound by
26:48committee where Towns is.
26:50But Towns is getting eight rebounds
26:52a game
26:54as a seven-footer.
26:56I feel like
26:58Craig's dad from Friday.
27:00Boy, get your big ass in there and get the rebounds.
27:06Get your big ass in there and get the rebounds.
27:08I feel like
27:10his voice comes to mind.
27:12His voice
27:14comes to my mind. God bless you.
27:16Get your big ass
27:18in there and get the rebounds.
27:20I go to these L.A.
27:22references always.
27:24That impression was spot on.
27:26We talked a little bit earlier on.
27:28That's the voice that got to my head,
27:30Max. I'm sorry. Boy, get your
27:32big ass in there and get the rebounds.
27:34Boy, what the hell are you doing?
27:36I love going to school.
27:38I would love to see
27:40what would happen if the Southers
27:42played like that and the Southers
27:44were against the Lakers.
27:46How this brother would have handled that?
27:48Because he got so much peer
27:50pressure on him out there from all
27:52them Laker fans, including your uncle,
27:54which I have not met yet.
27:56I can't wait to meet this dude.
27:58Damn, you're always a man.
28:00My uncle used to think you were shit, man.
28:02You and them L cars.
28:04It's all about them uncles.
28:06I bring you to a cookout
28:08and you're going to be like,
28:10oh, hell no.
28:12If you come to L.A., Max,
28:14don't come with M.L.
28:16Don't come with M.L.
28:18There might be a sniper.
28:20M.L. still
28:22needs security in L.A.
28:24He still needs security.
28:26Don't have to do that task.
28:28I was telling him
28:30I met Ice Cube like that.
28:32I walk up on Ice Cube at the Southern
28:34game. He's in the middle of the court.
28:36He's in the front row and I walk up
28:38on him and he sees me going,
28:40oh, motherfucking cornbread.
28:48Because he's a Lakers fan.
28:50That's what.
28:52I said, that's how you respect people
28:54in L.A. like that?
28:56Pretty much.
28:58Speaking of Celtics Lakers, Gary,
29:00this leads into, this is perfect for my next
29:02question. Did you ever think you're going to be
29:04writing a book about the Boston Celtics,
29:06man? Tell me about this book you got
29:08coming out, or it's out already, excuse me.
29:10It's out already.
29:12How did that whole thing come together, man?
29:14What's the process like?
29:16I was approached
29:18about doing a book just kind of
29:20the history of the organization
29:22and I was asked to pick
29:24175 moments
29:26in the organization's history
29:28and what I tried to do, it was
29:30pick all the way from the beginning
29:32how the team was formed,
29:34the first owner,
29:36they're a member
29:38of this league called the Basketball
29:40Association of America. They end up
29:42merging with the National Basketball
29:44League to make the NBA
29:46and then just go through
29:48the entire kind of history
29:50and I picked 175 moments or
29:52players, special players, like
29:54I said, like Max,
29:56Paul Silas, Nate Archibald,
29:58guys that we don't,
30:00other than Max, obviously we associate
30:02with the Celtics, but a lot of guys, Pete Maravich,
30:04guys that we don't associate
30:06with the Celtics or that came in and helped
30:08Charlie Scott, I wanted to talk
30:10about him, how important he was to winning that
30:12championship
30:14in 76. Like, moments
30:16of the franchise, not all
30:18the titles, we touch on all the titles,
30:20obviously,
30:22and just to give a history lesson
30:24pretty much, for me too, because the
30:26research, there was a lot of history,
30:28a lot of watching film,
30:30game film, and 62
30:32finals, 61, and
30:34their first real rivalry with the
30:36St. Louis Hawks. It wasn't the
30:38Minneapolis Lakers, it was the St. Louis Hawks.
30:40Then it was the Minneapolis Lakers, and obviously
30:42those great rivalries, the
30:44Philadelphia Warriors, the Philadelphia 76ers,
30:46Wilton,
30:48Bill Russell rivalry,
30:50and just talking about...
30:52Here's the thing I wonder, you said that
30:54why did the
30:56Philadelphia leave, you said
30:58Warriors, right?
31:00Yeah, they were the Syracuse Nationals,
31:02and then they moved to
31:04Philadelphia and became the Philadelphia
31:06Warriors, then they moved
31:08to Golden State,
31:10and became...
31:12How did Philly change? How did Philly...
31:14Philly got a new team, and it was the Sixers.
31:16Wow, okay.
31:18The Philadelphia Warriors
31:20moved to Golden State, became Golden State
31:22Warriors, or the San Francisco Warriors, sorry,
31:24and then Philly got a new team
31:26and that's when they reacquired Wilt,
31:28so Wilt was a Sixer,
31:30and
31:32then he went for a minute,
31:34then he went to the Lakers.
31:36Okay, how did that fit
31:38in this history? I'm just really curious.
31:40I talk about the...
31:42There you are, Max.
31:44I talk about
31:46the drafting.
31:48I do little vignettes
31:50on
31:52some of the great
31:54players we talk about here,
31:56Larry Bird,
31:58Dave Cowens
32:00as a player coach.
32:02I'm sure you love that era.
32:04I'm surprised
32:06that you didn't...
32:08There he is.
32:10Celtic draft from Cedric Maxwell,
32:12and we talk about...
32:14Is that a pass? Look at you.
32:16The rare
32:18photo of Max giving a pass.
32:24Let me ask you
32:26this question, Mr. Wizard.
32:28Why would I pass if I let
32:30the league and field go pretend it's twice?
32:32What do I do?
32:34You know what I'm saying?
32:36I just wanted to show your versatility.
32:40In that
32:42picture, you're being triple-teamed,
32:44Max, so I guess you felt like
32:46you had to give it up.
32:48Someone had to be open, right, Gary?
32:50Someone had to be under the basket.
32:52Or Mikael under the basket because three
32:54catches converging on you, so I guess you were
32:56like,
32:58I could take these dudes,
33:00but you know what? Let me give
33:02him a bucket.
33:06You gave Chief an easy two.
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34:50Okay, as I asked you a minute ago, what
34:52was the most fascinating thing,
34:54the most surprising thing you
34:56learned going through the history
34:58and what was the thing that
35:00like, uh, I didn't know that happened. You're
35:02one of them goods and bads that you look
35:04at. Honestly, the 60s, because
35:06what we associate with
35:08the championship teams is
35:10that they just rolled over everybody.
35:12There was a lot of game sevens,
35:14a lot of games that came down to
35:16the wire. A lot of times they could
35:18have lost where a Lakers
35:20player or a St. Louis missed an
35:22open jumper and it went to overtime.
35:24And the Celtics were just such a
35:26clutch team in those days.
35:28You look at the dramatics of
35:30that run winning
35:3211 and 13 years with Bill
35:34Russell and just
35:36some of those games in the Eastern Division
35:38finals with Philadelphia or the finals
35:40with St. Louis or LA and
35:42how close those series were.
35:44They rolled sometimes, but we
35:46tend to associate that they just
35:48walked on the floor and
35:50mopped the floor with
35:52all their opponents. There was a lot of dramatic
35:54games too.
35:56And then also, Max,
35:58just some of the players
36:00that played for
36:02the franchise that we don't
36:04really talk about, like a tiny Archibald,
36:06how
36:08I focus a lot
36:10on Isaiah Thomas,
36:12some of the guys that came in
36:14and just some of the
36:16honestly the groundbreaking
36:18drafting the first Black player
36:20Chuck Cooper, the first
36:22all-Black starting lineup in 1964
36:24when Tommy Heinsohn got hurt
36:26there was kind of an unwritten rule
36:28that every team had to have at least one
36:30white starter in the 1960s. That was
36:32like the unwritten rule. You can't put
36:34anyone on the floor
36:36to start. Tommy Heinsohn got hurt
36:38I think he missed
36:4012, 13 games
36:42with a foot injury and
36:44Red could have put Havlicek
36:46in the starting lineup. Havlicek was
36:48the sixth man before he was really called the sixth
36:50man. And
36:52Red put Willie Knowles,
36:54a great UCLA
36:56guy, New York Knick, put him in the starting lineup.
36:58Sounds like a Black dude.
37:00Yeah, he does look like Willie Knowles.
37:02Sounds like a brother.
37:04God bless Willie.
37:06Yeah.
37:08Get in there.
37:10And they won all 12 games and Heinsohn was
37:12out. And they put Heinsohn back in the lineup.
37:14The groundbreaking, naming
37:16Bill Russell the first Black coach of
37:18any major sport when he was
37:20a player.
37:22Just the greats that came through
37:24the organization and just also
37:26the groundbreaking, the
37:28history. People don't talk a lot
37:30about those 74 and 76
37:32titles. We kind of overlooked those with
37:34Tommy as the coach
37:36and
37:38Havlicek, Jojo White
37:40and Dave Cowens.
37:42And then to me, the Jones
37:44boys. Sam Jones,
37:46we don't talk about.
37:48He didn't come back a whole lot
37:50when I was covering the team. He didn't come
37:52back for a lot of the reunions or whatever
37:54to maybe get his
37:56flowers. I know he was in Florida
37:58or whatever. I saw him a couple times when the Celtics
38:00were in Orlando. But just to
38:02see the numbers he put up,
38:04especially late in his career.
38:06He was averaging 20-something a game at
38:08age 34. Sam
38:10Jones was an all-time
38:12great that doesn't get a lot of respect. Unfortunately,
38:14he was a top 50 player
38:16and top 75
38:18player.
38:20God bless him. But just
38:22to learn more about him
38:24and just what he did
38:26and K.C. Jones.
38:28How about a name
38:30that I'm sure you didn't
38:32put in the book?
38:34Maybe you want to go back and get a
38:36pencil and put it in. But how about a guy like
38:38Marvin Barnes who was there?
38:40Marvin Barnes
38:42was a beast
38:44when he got in the league. But man,
38:46he just went through some shit where you're like,
38:48damn. You want me to put
38:50Bad News Barnes? Yes.
38:52I want to know about Bad News Barnes.
38:54You got to look up
38:56Bad News Barnes. Providence
38:58is great. I talked to Ernie
39:00DiDegorio who was there.
39:02He played with me with the Celtics
39:04one of my first years.
39:06Marvin was there.
39:08You could see the greatness that he had.
39:10He was a great player.
39:12I don't even know.
39:14He was like John Morant
39:16before John Morant.
39:18He couldn't...
39:20I'm talking about off the floor.
39:22Just kind of like
39:24couldn't get
39:26right off the floor.
39:28Amazing game off the floor.
39:30I talked to Tommy in those times.
39:32You were there, Max, with getting
39:34Wicks and Curtis Rowe.
39:36I know those guys from basically being in LA
39:38and those were both UCLA guys
39:40and how
39:42Red got those guys in thinking that was
39:44going to jump start the
39:46franchise and both of them were just
39:48not good.
39:50Sidney, both of them
39:52had the substance
39:54abuse issues and Curtis Rowe
39:56and thank God
39:58they're still around and all that.
40:00The drafting of
40:02Larry Bird, basically taking a chance
40:04on him and taking him a year early
40:06because the Celtics
40:08needed help. You were on that team,
40:1078-79, 32-50.
40:12The Celtics needed help
40:14in 78 and could have used
40:16anybody in that 78
40:18draft, but Red takes
40:20Bird, knowing Bird's
40:22going back to school for his senior year.
40:24People don't know that.
40:26Bird was not drafted in the same draft
40:28as Magic. Bird was
40:30drafted a year before sixth overall
40:32so five teams skipped him and
40:34Red decided to wait
40:36and just hold on
40:38and then obviously Bird comes and everything
40:40changes. The great trade,
40:42you were there for that too, Max,
40:44to get Parrish and McHale
40:46with the Warriors. They heisted the
40:48Warriors on that trade. You get
40:50two Hall of Famers
40:52in one trade
40:54for Joe Barry Carroll and a guy named Ricky Brown.
41:00The mastery of Red too was just
41:02some of the things he pulled off
41:04and this
41:06involves you too, Max.
41:08The whole narrative that
41:10it was the Black
41:12Lakers against the white Celtics
41:14in the 80s, but then
41:16if you look at the Celtics,
41:18it was you.
41:20What the hell was I?
41:22I was on the floor. I'm white.
41:24Max hates that. He hates that
41:26narrative. You,
41:28DJ, Robert Parrish,
41:30ML Carr, guys
41:32like Quinn Buckner, and then a Black coach
41:34in K.C. Jones.
41:36The Lakers,
41:38the Lakers didn't have
41:40a Black coach, had never had a Black coach
41:42before then. Obviously,
41:44they've had Black coaches since.
41:46The coach was Black.
41:48Why were we labeled
41:50as the white team? It's stereotypical
41:52because of all the fans
41:54with no brothers in the lower
41:56four. I'm sorry, the Boston
41:58Garden.
42:00You look at the
42:02I don't know how
42:04they distributed the tickets.
42:06I don't know how they distributed the tickets
42:08back then. I don't know where the brothers
42:10just... I'm not talking about the fans.
42:12That was a stereotype
42:14because... Wait a minute.
42:16How many Black people are getting
42:18in the damn forum?
42:20Hello?
42:22West Hollywood.
42:24I went to the forum, but
42:26the nosebleed sections
42:28in our day was called the colonnades,
42:30and that's where I sat.
42:32The colonnade section.
42:34It's like a 300-section
42:36garden. You didn't see any
42:38Black people down in the
42:40lower bowl unless they were
42:42celebrities.
42:44There were celebrities.
42:46Don't give me all this shit about...
42:48No, I agree, Max. It was a stereotype.
42:50I see all the Black people.
42:52I used to go to the Laker games.
42:54Only Black people
42:56in the Laker games back then
42:58were the damn Lakers girls.
43:00That's the closest I saw.
43:02You point this out yourself.
43:04You point this out yourself every time we see
43:06Dan Shaughnessy. When the
43:08Celtics were winning
43:10and doing great things in the globe,
43:12it was
43:14Ainge, Bird, and
43:16Miguel and Walton slapping hands.
43:18Jerry, she slapped... Oh, the guys
43:20do it again.
43:22The good guys come through
43:24again. The Celtics
43:26win. Hey, Bird,
43:28Ainge, and Miguel.
43:30When y'all lost, it was
43:32you and Chief
43:34walking up the floor.
43:36What the hell happened?
43:38We don't know.
43:40We lost. It was our fault.
43:46It was some Malcolm X stuff
43:48back there.
43:50It was some subliminals.
43:52What I'm referring
43:54to here is the fact that
43:56we had... You just made
43:58my point when you said,
44:00oh, well, look how many people, Black people,
44:02were at the Celtic game.
44:04Look at the number. Hell, how many
44:06people in the damn forum?
44:08If I saw you, you were so damn far
44:10up. You almost looked like you were white
44:12because you were so white.
44:14You would look at the fans
44:16and then you had a team
44:18with three
44:20or four very good white players
44:22and they just... Obviously, Boston...
44:24You look at the busing issue in the 70s.
44:26Boston got just tabbed as
44:28a city that Black people are not
44:30fun, not going to
44:32enjoy themselves, not going to have...
44:34It's not where you want to go.
44:36Hey, did Rodney King
44:38have fun? Hey, did Rodney King
44:40have fun? Did he have fun?
44:42What was he at?
44:44I mean, no, no, really.
44:46When they were over there...
44:48No, I said it.
44:50Did Rodney King
44:52have fun? When they were in L.A.
44:54and they were down there...
44:56Did you say that?
44:58Wait a minute. When they were down
45:00near the old place that we saw...
45:02What was the thing that...
45:04What was that place
45:06down near the old Coliseum?
45:08When people were riding through
45:10and the people were riding
45:12in their time and they showed them from a helicopter
45:14Black people throwing
45:16sticks and taking White people out
45:18and going, come on.
45:20L.A. has had more...
45:22L.A. has had...
45:24L.A. has definitely
45:26had its share of racial issues.
45:28It was not utopia.
45:30Anybody who says that
45:32is not from where I'm from.
45:34There was always an issue
45:36since the Watts riots
45:38before Black people started
45:40to migrate to Los Angeles from the South
45:42in the 50s and the 60s
45:44because a lot of our grandparents
45:46moved from Louisiana, Texas,
45:48Mississippi, Alabama
45:50to L.A. for greener pastures
45:52for a better life.
45:54When Black people started migrating
45:56into Los Angeles
45:58there was always tension between
46:00the LAPD and African Americans.
46:02That continued obviously
46:04with the Watts riots.
46:06There was always some things going on.
46:08Chokeholds.
46:10If you watch that Richard Pryor
46:12stand-up from 1978
46:14talking about how
46:16he shot his own car and then the cops
46:18came and he says cops don't kill
46:20cars, they kill something else.
46:24That was 78.
46:26Rodney King was just...
46:28L.A. gets a
46:30pass because it's California
46:32on having
46:34its racial issues.
46:36You're right.
46:38The perception was, Max,
46:40unfortunately, that
46:42there was a white Lakers,
46:44white Celtics against the brothers,
46:46Magic, Kareem.
46:48Because Magic's in the streets.
46:50Magic's partying, the palm trees
46:52and the celebrities.
46:54That's the place to be in Boston.
46:56You don't want to live in Boston.
46:58It's cold.
47:00It's dreary.
47:02It's snowing.
47:04What was
47:06the heat game at?
47:08The game where it was 107 degrees in the building.
47:10Oh, I know. That was in Boston.
47:12I know it.
47:14Forum was where you go there and the weather
47:16was great because you go in the forum,
47:18there was air conditioning and you had
47:20the Laker girls, but I
47:22very seldom saw black
47:24people there in L.A.
47:26unless they were the players
47:28and the dancers
47:30and...
47:32That's it. I would go to the Lakers games.
47:34You had Danson Berry
47:36coming to the Lakers games.
47:38I hate you, though, but get it.
47:40I tell Max all the time, man.
47:42It pisses
47:44me off.
47:46I know it does.
47:48There was some real stereotypes
47:50that went down and Boston
47:52didn't help it.
47:54Boston didn't help itself with the busing issue
47:56and Boston being considered or known
47:58as a town that was known
48:00to be openly racist.
48:02People would think, I ain't moving
48:04to Boston.
48:06It wasn't like nobody talked to you
48:08and ML and Chief
48:10and say, how'd y'all like it there?
48:12They didn't do stories like that as
48:14much back then. Oh, you're talking about all the white
48:16people that come through Compton
48:18and over in Wash...
48:20No, they don't do that.
48:22Let me get this straight.
48:24Is that what you're saying?
48:26No, they don't do that.
48:28They don't go through that neighborhood.
48:30It didn't much go through my
48:32neighborhood either.
48:34Where's the swap meet at?
48:36Where's that at?
48:38That's in the black community.
48:40Gary, Max
48:42getting mad about this stuff, man.
48:44How many times did he tell you growing up, man?
48:46The OGs.
48:48The floss and swap meet.
48:50The floss and swap meet.
48:52I just really hate the fact that
48:54I'm pointing these things out
48:56because people think I get pissed off
48:58and I do because they talk
49:00about LA as if
49:02LA was this utopia where black
49:04people were just... Everybody was riding
49:06business and driving. Everybody
49:08was on Soul Train and oh my
49:10God, come on. It's a stereotype.
49:12It was
49:14considered a fun, more
49:16enjoyable place. The entertainment...
49:18You're right, but it was
49:20and Boston was like... Boston
49:22was just known for the
49:24Jerry Warren, Paul Revere
49:26and being cold
49:28and the garden. When you would
49:30look at this fence, the garden, you're like,
49:32man, they don't even have one brother
49:34in there.
49:36The only brother
49:38in the lower bowl was sweeping up the floor.
49:40You could just see...
49:42That's how it was.
49:44You're going to stay on my
49:48I'm just saying.
49:50There were stereotypes. LA was
49:52Eddie Murphy, all these
49:54celebrities. Hey, we're chilling.
49:56Life is good. We're going back.
49:58After the game, we go on to the beach.
50:00After the game, where are you going?
50:02Home.
50:04Home
50:06because it's dark and dreary.
50:08It was a bad... It was a stereotype
50:10even though the Celtics had a black coach.
50:14Yeah.
50:16Black coach
50:18who was not their first black coach
50:20but was their second black coach.
50:22The Lakers didn't have a black coach
50:24until... I can't remember the first
50:26Magic. I think it was magic.
50:28Magic.
50:30You're right.
50:32You're right. California
50:34gets a pass. When you're
50:36from California, you're like
50:38you understand the stereotype
50:40but it gets a pass.
50:42Back then, it was
50:44considered the glitz and the glamour.
50:46That's what really...
50:48I need to write a book about that what pisses
50:50me off about the NBA
50:52and about the stereotypical
50:54Hollywood,
50:56LA, Bojangles.
50:58Where was Bojangles at?
51:00He was in LA too, wasn't he? Mr. Bojangles
51:02dancing.
51:04Yeah, I'm saying
51:06all this stuff so you can put your head
51:08down.
51:10Mr. Bojangles.
51:12Yeah, that was in
51:14LA. These things happen
51:16in LA.
51:18He's talking about dancing.
51:20Yeah.
51:22Yeah.
51:24Absolutely.
51:26This thing about LA
51:28which pisses me off.
51:30He's thought about this a lot, Gary.
51:32To be thrown in the middle
51:34of it.
51:36It's like
51:38they say the all-white Celtics
51:40versus the all-black
51:42Lakers. It was offensive
51:44to the guys.
51:46It was a slap in our face for the guys who
51:48actually played there and
51:50played hard and won championships.
51:52Sometimes things are
51:54fair, but sometimes they're so
51:56unfair.
51:58Let's be honest, Max. They traded
52:00you to the Clippers. Who did they replace you
52:02with? Bill Walton.
52:08What's a brother supposed to think?
52:10I got to give you a check mark for that.
52:12What's a brother supposed to think when that happens?
52:16I give you a check mark for that.
52:18Hold up.
52:20Brother was 81 finals MVP.
52:22Punk
52:24worthy in 84
52:26and you sent him to the Clippers, Siberia
52:28and y'all bringing in
52:30Bill Walton who
52:32got one leg.
52:38When I got to LA
52:40and I was playing with the Clippers
52:42and I had a good season, why did I
52:44get booed at every game?
52:48Booed!
52:50I mean, booed at every game.
52:52I don't care what you do.
52:54I was going to do
52:56Cedric Maxwell
52:58and Marcus Johnson. Yay!
53:00Yay! Cedric Maxwell.
53:02Boo!
53:04Go back to Boston!
53:06Go back to Boston!
53:08You're a fucking bum!
53:12Dude, I'm trying to do my job.
53:14I'm trying to do my freaking job.
53:18Mac, on behalf of the city of Los Angeles,
53:20I'm sorry.
53:22Thank you very much.
53:24On behalf of my hometown, I'm sorry
53:26for how we treated you.
53:30The Boston Somethings Unillustrated Timeline.
53:32It's in stores now. Gary Washburn's
53:34brand new book. Of course,
53:36this is why I wanted to bring up this book, especially
53:38not only to give the publicity out to my boy
53:40Gary, but I knew the type of conversation
53:42it would evoke.
53:44Man, this was entertaining.
53:46I appreciate you. Gary Washburn.
53:48That's going to do it for this episode of
53:50The Cedric Maxwell Podcast. You already know.
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53:56Guys, shout us out.
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54:08it for this episode. I'm Joseph Favone. He is
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54:12you, Gary. Always fun to have you
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