Welcome to the Cedric Maxwell Podcast featuring special guest Gary Washburn! In this episode, Cedric, Josue, and Gary's dynamic conversation delves into the recent NBA championship win by the Celtics, exploring the celebratory parade and the enthusiastic support from a diverse fan base.
From dispelling narratives about key players to discussing future prospects and potential player acquisitions, the podcast offers a deep dive into the team's journey to victory and the challenges of maintaining success in upcoming seasons.
The engaging dialogue also touches on the nuances of media interactions during championship celebrations, specifically between Scal and Perk, and delves into LeBron James' involvement in his son Bronny's basketball career, raising thought-provoking questions about expedited paths to the NBA and sustainable career planning. Join us for a blend of sports analysis, personal anecdotes, and reflections on player dynamics and career strategies post-championship!
0:00 - Intro
7:30 - Jaylen Brown MVP discussion
9:29 - Free agency signings impact
11:01 - Pursuing historic back-to-back wins
15:18 - Reflection on Coach Ime Udoka
18:34 - Perk's Boston Reunion
23:19 - Kendrick Perkins Invite Drama
25:00 - Perk's Celtics Criticism
27:54 - Perk's Unfiltered Commentary
30:58 - Grant Williams' Celebration
32:31 - Perk's Commentary Impact
37:40 - Bronny Drafted
41:29 - Disadvantages of Fast-tracking
47:29 - Motivation from Hall of Famers
49:17 - Making money in college
56:33 - Celtics player roles
59:25 - Clippers' offer to Paul George
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From dispelling narratives about key players to discussing future prospects and potential player acquisitions, the podcast offers a deep dive into the team's journey to victory and the challenges of maintaining success in upcoming seasons.
The engaging dialogue also touches on the nuances of media interactions during championship celebrations, specifically between Scal and Perk, and delves into LeBron James' involvement in his son Bronny's basketball career, raising thought-provoking questions about expedited paths to the NBA and sustainable career planning. Join us for a blend of sports analysis, personal anecdotes, and reflections on player dynamics and career strategies post-championship!
0:00 - Intro
7:30 - Jaylen Brown MVP discussion
9:29 - Free agency signings impact
11:01 - Pursuing historic back-to-back wins
15:18 - Reflection on Coach Ime Udoka
18:34 - Perk's Boston Reunion
23:19 - Kendrick Perkins Invite Drama
25:00 - Perk's Celtics Criticism
27:54 - Perk's Unfiltered Commentary
30:58 - Grant Williams' Celebration
32:31 - Perk's Commentary Impact
37:40 - Bronny Drafted
41:29 - Disadvantages of Fast-tracking
47:29 - Motivation from Hall of Famers
49:17 - Making money in college
56:33 - Celtics player roles
59:25 - Clippers' offer to Paul George
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00:00:19All right, another episode of the Cedric Maxwell Podcast.
00:00:21Another special guest with us.
00:00:23I am Joseph Pavone.
00:00:24He is Cedric Maxwell.
00:00:25We got Gary Washburn of the Boston Globe joining us once again.
00:00:30Off-season edition.
00:00:31Well, I guess it's sort of a free agency.
00:00:34You got the NBA draft to recap, but how you been?
00:00:37I mean, the last two weeks, you just covered a championship team for the first time.
00:00:40How's everything?
00:00:41You got a new book.
00:00:42We'll get into that in a little bit, but how's everything been, man?
00:00:45Oh, it's been good.
00:00:46It's been good.
00:00:47It was cool to see, you know, them finally get over the top.
00:00:51We ain't got to talk about that no more.
00:00:54Literally, I've been in the city 15 years and they've been, except for one year,
00:00:58trying to get a championship and to see them get over the top and finally get it done and
00:01:04get the monkey off their back.
00:01:05I mean, that was, it was cool to see.
00:01:07And then the parade.
00:01:08My friend, it's not, you know, this is a black show.
00:01:12We don't use no terms like getting the monkey off your back.
00:01:19Get the anvil off your back.
00:01:20All right, get the anvil off your back.
00:01:22Thank you.
00:01:23Like Roadrunner.
00:01:25You got to look that up, Joe Sweats, before your time.
00:01:26Yeah, that is, man.
00:01:28I don't know that one.
00:01:30But yeah, I mean, it was good.
00:01:32It was good for them to get over the top.
00:01:34The parade was awesome.
00:01:35Like I didn't, I've never been to a parade before in terms of like a team celebrating
00:01:42and just to see all the types of people out that came out that love the Celtics.
00:01:47You know, people think that, I mean, obviously, Max, I mean,
00:01:50people watched your days and they saw a number of white folks at the Boston Garden and thought
00:01:56those are the only people, but there's so many people of color, so many from everywhere
00:02:01who love the Celtics, man.
00:02:03I mean, it's crazy.
00:02:04And it was just to see all them out that day on that Friday, all shapes and sizes, colors,
00:02:13ages from two to 92, you know, I mean, that was like, wow, Boston really showed the best
00:02:19of itself.
00:02:21And so it was cool.
00:02:23It was cool to see, you know, them finally, you know what I said?
00:02:25Like people think that I like the team, that they're good guys.
00:02:30I'm good with Joe.
00:02:32Me and Joe are great at this point.
00:02:34You know, that's serious, Max.
00:02:38Don't give me that look.
00:02:42Yeah, Max, explain that look.
00:02:44We can get to the scowl perk thing in a minute if you want.
00:02:48Oh, yeah, we can do that for sure.
00:02:50But yeah, I mean, it was awesome.
00:02:53It's been a cool two weeks to just kind of watch it.
00:02:56Now, as you see, other teams are ramping up.
00:03:01Meanwhile, I'm watching ESPN News here and they got two brothers doing cornhole.
00:03:08So I don't know what to say about that, Max.
00:03:14On a Sunday, huh?
00:03:15On a Sunday, man.
00:03:16Like, what happened?
00:03:19That's why all the French folks is getting drafted higher than us at hoops.
00:03:23Because, bro, you know, you're playing cornhole.
00:03:25Like, I don't know.
00:03:29Yeah, here's one of the crazy things we think about, though.
00:03:32And, you know, I know we all laugh.
00:03:34Two brothers playing cornhole.
00:03:35I don't know what to say.
00:03:36I've never seen that, man.
00:03:37I got to turn that off.
00:03:38I guess we've officially overcome, man.
00:03:40Yeah.
00:03:41Well, here's the thing I'll say about what you're talking about.
00:03:46People, you know, that you see all kind of white folks in the audience.
00:03:52Well, most Black people can't afford to go in and get tickets at the garden.
00:03:56Yeah, they definitely couldn't afford it 40 years ago.
00:03:58I mean, and now you're talking about those tickets were,
00:04:01you know, to get in the building was $3,000 and $4,000 a seat.
00:04:05Yeah, the 300 section, I heard it was like $1,200.
00:04:09Yes, yeah, that was the highest.
00:04:12The 300 section, I heard the lowest was $1,200.
00:04:16Yeah, for free.
00:04:18People can't afford it.
00:04:20Color is like, you know, that's why they had to be out in the streets where it was free.
00:04:27And they can celebrate their team and they got behind their team.
00:04:31But it was such a beautiful day.
00:04:34And, you know, just the environment was just crazy good.
00:04:40You know, what I did like about Boston,
00:04:42the fact that it did not seem like other cities had violence to go along with the parade.
00:04:46Yeah.
00:04:47It was good.
00:04:48And it was really cool.
00:04:50I'm like you, though.
00:04:52I probably more than you and Joe Swait wanted to see them win this series because championship
00:04:59because I got tired of all these damn haters who've been around.
00:05:03I mean, you look at ESPN.
00:05:05I think nine out of 12 reporters said the parade was going to be in Dallas.
00:05:10And it was not 17.
00:05:12But like, yeah, I mean, I love her.
00:05:15But Park was like, oh, I got this.
00:05:16I got Dallas winning games three and four.
00:05:18Like, and I'm not saying, you know, everybody has a perspective.
00:05:21And I respect her a hell of a lot.
00:05:23But I just think they thought, oh, wait.
00:05:26Well, wait till they get to Luca and Kyrie.
00:05:28All that.
00:05:29I don't think the road to the finals was respected.
00:05:32Right.
00:05:33I think they understand they beat Miami without Jimmy Butler.
00:05:37They beat Cleveland last couple of games on Donovan Mitchell.
00:05:41Indiana didn't have Halliburton, but they were able to win both.
00:05:46I mean, but this team had proven all year.
00:05:50It was the best.
00:05:52And you know, here's one of the things that happened, though.
00:05:55You think about those games and we set the Suffolks back and made people think differently
00:06:00was when the Suffolks lost to the Lakers in Boston with no LeBron and no A.D.
00:06:06Those kind of games put other things.
00:06:09And people just didn't say, well, you know, maybe this played a bad game.
00:06:13I think that was it with the Suffolks is that and the biggest narrative,
00:06:17which was untrue, was that everybody said all the national people,
00:06:21the best player on in this series right now is Luca.
00:06:25And we found out it wasn't.
00:06:27It was Tatum and Brown by a large, large one.
00:06:31I'm not sure right now if Luca could keep me, you or Gary in front of him right now.
00:06:37We were dribbling down the court.
00:06:38I just don't think he could.
00:06:41What do you think he was?
00:06:42Yeah, it was so bad.
00:06:44Yeah, it was some record.
00:06:46They were saying they said he got blown by 65 percent of the time.
00:06:51I mean, that doesn't that that is just crazy to think of.
00:06:54That means your effort is lacking or you can't move your feet.
00:06:58But if you're such a great player, you should be able to at least stay in front of a guy.
00:07:04And because Brown just ran rough, rough shot.
00:07:08And I think the biggest narrative I've seen here lately is that what people want to pick
00:07:12at is that, oh, you know what?
00:07:15Jalen Brown shouldn't have got the MVP.
00:07:17He shouldn't maintain them.
00:07:19People just want to stir shit up with this team when I think they were just happy.
00:07:24Tatum was just genuinely happy to be a champion, to be a champion.
00:07:29They get that shit off his back was the biggest thing that people looked at.
00:07:33And now they can go out and play next year.
00:07:36I talked to Michael Felker like you're on the show, and he was trying to cause those same
00:07:41waves.
00:07:42And well, Jalen Brown, Jason Tatum didn't get the MVP meat left on the bone for him.
00:07:49And Brown didn't.
00:07:50I said, and then he asked me, so what do you think Max is going to make the Celtics so
00:07:55they're not complacent?
00:07:56I said, exactly what you said.
00:07:58Tatum wasn't the MVP.
00:08:00Brown was.
00:08:01Brown wasn't the all pro this year.
00:08:04So you had to have those things.
00:08:06Then there's meat left on the bone that they can go out and they can try to play.
00:08:10Joe Mizzoula has convinced people, not us, convinced people that he's a hell of a coach.
00:08:16And he is.
00:08:17He's one of the best coaches right now in the National Basketball Association.
00:08:21And all these other guys are going to get their money.
00:08:24And the biggest thing about it, when people say, well, how about Denver?
00:08:28Celtics are bringing back damn near their entire core.
00:08:31And because of that, there's going to be continuity like Denver.
00:08:34People don't realize how good Jeff Green was with those guys or Bruce Brown was good in
00:08:40Denver.
00:08:42Celtics don't have that problem.
00:08:44And I'm not sure.
00:08:45I'm sure you'll know better than me that there are going to be some players out there who
00:08:49haven't won a ring that say, shit, I want to play with the Celtics now.
00:08:53I want to win one.
00:08:55I want to go in a Blake Griffin type guy who is out there who hasn't done whatever, but
00:09:00said, look, damn, I want to win with these guys.
00:09:03So I think it's easier right now for Brad Stevens, who did a fantastic job, to go out
00:09:09and recruit and try to get somebody else.
00:09:11Yeah, I think the hottest team is the team that just won a championship.
00:09:17And so although the Celtics are limited with their financial, they can only offer minimum
00:09:21deals.
00:09:22Remember, the market is going to squeak.
00:09:24There's no middle class anymore, pretty much.
00:09:26When the market begins and all the Paul Georges and James Hardens and all these guys sign,
00:09:31there's going to be a bunch of brothers left out who are going to be jumping, trying to
00:09:36jump, catch onto a ship and not drown and not be getting some training camp invites.
00:09:43And they're going to take that minimum money from the Celtics, especially knowing, one,
00:09:48if you're a big man, you can probably play because the Celtics are going to need some
00:09:51help in the middle.
00:09:52With poor Zingas being out, Warford being on his age 38 now.
00:09:58We don't know about Cornette and Tillman, whether they'll be back.
00:10:00They can try to bring both of those guys back.
00:10:03But if you're coming in, you're going to get a chance to play.
00:10:06They got two draft picks who might be able to play.
00:10:09It's good.
00:10:10They've solidified their team to make more than one run.
00:10:13That's the thing.
00:10:14And obviously, Max, you know more than anybody about, one, trying to repeat.
00:10:20It's hard as hell.
00:10:21Because obviously, 81, you guys came back, I'm sure, in 82 and thought, oh, it's us.
00:10:25And you guys lost to Philadelphia because Philly was coming after you.
00:10:30But just having that eye of the tiger, that desire.
00:10:34And I have full confidence in Missoula with his different type of methods of motivation
00:10:40that he's going to get those guys ready to go to come back as opposed to
00:10:47spending the summer hanging out, partying.
00:10:49Obviously, Jason and Drew got the Olympics.
00:10:52I don't see Jalen being on some three-month vacation and not work.
00:10:57They're going to come back hungry.
00:11:00Because now you're talking about making history.
00:11:01Now you're talking about being one of the great eras of the Celtic history.
00:11:05Now you're on a championship.
00:11:07So you're equal with 08.
00:11:09But now there's a chance to be better than 08.
00:11:1208 couldn't win that second title.
00:11:14They got hurt in 09.
00:11:16They lost in game seven in 2010.
00:11:18And then age kind of kicked in.
00:11:20But now you've got a chance to win two and three years, three and four years, back to back.
00:11:25You've got a chance to make some history here.
00:11:28The Celtics haven't gone back to back since the 60s.
00:11:32You have a chance to do something special.
00:11:34And that's the thing, I think, like you said, Max.
00:11:37They've got the core back.
00:11:40They could probably use another old head, another professional guy who's going to come in,
00:11:44maybe take less money, and just be like, just wants to be a part of it.
00:11:48That's the 08 team.
00:11:51PJ Brown and San Jose.
00:11:52Those guys are like, I'm trying to get a chip.
00:11:54And they see now, Boston's the place to do that.
00:12:00I'm just trying to look at this drink right here, because I need to tip this up.
00:12:03Yeah, Dr. Pepper, man.
00:12:05Yo, Max loves that shit, Gary.
00:12:08He loves it.
00:12:08I'm trying to give this to Gary after he talked so kumbaya about him and the coach.
00:12:15I mean, these two guys have been like, what is it, oil and whatever?
00:12:22Tom and Jerry.
00:12:25Sometimes I'll see a question being asked, and I hear the question being asked by Gary,
00:12:31and I'm like, ah, shit.
00:12:33Here we go.
00:12:34Here we go.
00:12:36He can't give you a straight answer.
00:12:38I mean, so many times you've given Joe Mazzulla a layup, going, so Joe, your team is really
00:12:44playing well, and dah, dah, dah.
00:12:45And Joe will look at you right now and going, well, what do you think about Jesus Christ?
00:12:50Yeah.
00:12:53That's not that far off.
00:12:54That is not that far off.
00:12:56That's our friend Vince Goodwater asked about him being a Black coach.
00:13:00When I heard that question, I cringed.
00:13:04I was like, because here's the thing about the finals.
00:13:10All the national reporters got a chance to see Joe Mazzulla live, in person.
00:13:18Joe Mazzulla's great defense.
00:13:19You've been dealing with all the time.
00:13:20Exactly.
00:13:22Everybody, and I said, and I looked at the national reporters.
00:13:25He was in peak form.
00:13:26Y'all thought it was me.
00:13:27Y'all thought it was me.
00:13:30Now you know.
00:13:31Now you know what's happening.
00:13:33Yo, for real, Gary's looking around the room like, yo, imagine 82 games of this.
00:13:36Yeah, y'all see what I'm dealing with?
00:13:38All right.
00:13:39Y'all see what I'm talking about now?
00:13:41Oh, Gary already started shit.
00:13:42No, no.
00:13:46Gary was the only one smiling at that point, looking around like.
00:13:49I was laughing to have the question.
00:13:51I was laughing.
00:13:52I was like, oh, I know he ain't going to answer this.
00:13:56Let me listen and see what he says.
00:13:57Yeah, that was a layup.
00:13:59Two black coaches have come together.
00:14:02This is the time to play your black card.
00:14:05For real.
00:14:06You're going to move the line.
00:14:09No, I'm not joking.
00:14:11In the mix, two black head coaches just got fired, too.
00:14:15It was a very relevant question.
00:14:16It wasn't like it came out of nowhere.
00:14:19This stuff has been talked about every offseason.
00:14:22I don't know what the hell you're talking about.
00:14:24How many of them are Christians?
00:14:26I was like, yep.
00:14:27And then everybody looked at me.
00:14:29And I was like, see, y'all thinking it was me.
00:14:33Y'all thought I was crazy, right?
00:14:35Y'all thought I was a hard-driving reporter.
00:14:37Oh, Gary doesn't like the team.
00:14:40Gary's trying to build a narrative.
00:14:43I was like, you see this dude?
00:14:45You see this dude?
00:14:46Go ahead, guys.
00:14:47Go ahead.
00:14:48Go ahead.
00:14:49Go ahead.
00:14:50Ask another one.
00:14:50Who's next?
00:14:51You see, I didn't start no stuff during the finals.
00:14:55It's your turn to ask the question.
00:14:57Gary said, you know what?
00:14:58I'm going to defer to somebody else.
00:15:00Yep, I'm going to let them.
00:15:01Y'all do this.
00:15:02You go ahead.
00:15:03Go ahead.
00:15:04Go ahead, Malika.
00:15:06You go ahead and ask somebody else.
00:15:08You see?
00:15:09There was nothing that happened between me and him in the finals.
00:15:11Like, no, no.
00:15:13I know what he's going to say.
00:15:14Nope.
00:15:16Did you get a chance?
00:15:18Did you guys do like a last embrace or something?
00:15:20When's the last time you did you speak to him before the parade?
00:15:22When was the last time you guys got that good?
00:15:23I spoke to him the day after the parade.
00:15:24We had a great conversation.
00:15:26The day after the parade, I called him.
00:15:29I texted him because I didn't get a chance to really, after everything,
00:15:33he had so many people around him and everyone trying to do one-on-one interviews.
00:15:37I didn't get a chance to pull him aside.
00:15:39But I did text him the morning after and said congratulations to him.
00:15:43And then we had a good conversation the day after the parade.
00:15:47So, yeah, I said, like, it was, I'm happy for him.
00:15:51Second youngest coach behind Bill Russell to win a championship.
00:15:55And all what he did worked.
00:15:57And I think he's learned a lot on the way.
00:15:59I think him having a great staff around him helped.
00:16:03Him trusting his players, being a little bit more open-minded.
00:16:07And, you know, you just got to, you got to think now, you know,
00:16:11is Joe going to be one of those guys that coaches probably 20 years?
00:16:14I don't know if he's, I don't know what the intensity that he has,
00:16:17that he'll be able to do this for a long, long time.
00:16:20I think he's really intense, but he's only going to get better.
00:16:24So I respect him.
00:16:26I said, I have much respect for Joe Mazula.
00:16:28He's an unusual guy.
00:16:29I think everybody saw that.
00:16:31And I said, you didn't see me doing nothing during the finals.
00:16:34I was, I was, I was a good guy.
00:16:36I stayed my, my, like Max, I stayed out of my business.
00:16:39I stayed, I stayed out of grown folk business.
00:16:41I was like, y'all want them big feature questions, you want to ask them?
00:16:48And then the dude asked him about being half Italian.
00:16:50He didn't bite on that either.
00:16:51He said, I don't care if we can rebound and get spacing on the floor.
00:16:58I don't care what you are.
00:16:59I'll be a, you know, whatever.
00:17:01Like, like, I was like, I don't care what you are.
00:17:04Like, like I was like, see, like y'all think it's me.
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00:18:30So we did think it, we did think it was him.
00:18:36When we, you know, we wanted me and Gary,
00:18:38me and just wanted to pull your black card after we saw you on TV,
00:18:42because you lost some of your blackness there for a minute.
00:18:45The way you were talking.
00:18:49That's not what I said, but that's Max.
00:18:53No, no, I didn't.
00:18:54I wasn't trying to say no.
00:18:55I wouldn't try to take your black card, man.
00:18:56I just think it's funny how,
00:18:58when you, when you, when you with us, you just, you just, you know,
00:19:01you're more you, you're more you, you're more loose, right?
00:19:04Yeah.
00:19:04Oh, what's that?
00:19:06Oh, well, then we got on the other shows.
00:19:08Like, well, I tell you what a really great job and I'm like shaking your hand.
00:19:16I'm like, what's wrong with this brother?
00:19:18But then with us, he's like, man, he's a weird dude, man.
00:19:21I don't know.
00:19:22I don't know what to say.
00:19:24Yeah, you ain't right, man.
00:19:25But you know what?
00:19:26But this is, you know, I ain't coached, man.
00:19:30I'm versatile, man.
00:19:32Yeah, that's a better way to put it.
00:19:33Right, right.
00:19:33This is what we have to go through as black reporters.
00:19:37We have to go through, especially dealing with our own.
00:19:42And we also have to go deal in a more of a white environment.
00:19:46And so our diction, everything does change because you're fitting into that system.
00:19:52Whereas when you're talking to us, it's like, yo, what's up, man?
00:19:57But that's not the way you get invited back to make that $300 that you went in and made on,
00:20:03you know, NBC.
00:20:04What you trying to say?
00:20:06Why you calling my money out, man?
00:20:08Yeah, right.
00:20:11Where'd you get that figure from?
00:20:12What are you talking about?
00:20:14Because I made it.
00:20:16Why you calling out my monies, man?
00:20:19I got my hands on my papers, man.
00:20:26If you come into the studio, you make $300.
00:20:30If they have, we don't know how much I, we don't know, man.
00:20:33We assume $200 is X amount.
00:20:39Big money.
00:20:40X amount of dollars.
00:20:48Did we ask you what you get when you were in the Yamacon yet?
00:20:52Oh, man.
00:20:53That's a whole nother check.
00:20:55Oh, that's another story.
00:20:56Okay, nevermind.
00:20:57Because you want to go, you want to be invited back.
00:20:59I'll tell you one thing, man.
00:21:01Okay.
00:21:02I've been invited to Jewish temples.
00:21:05They're very inviting.
00:21:07It's great.
00:21:09Provide some context, please.
00:21:10Because people don't know.
00:21:11Also, if any other religion invites me to speak, I am there.
00:21:17Just where you see them hands.
00:21:18Protestant, Mormon, Baptist, Catholic.
00:21:25If they invite me to speak, I will speak at any church.
00:21:28Don't act like it's just a Jewish temple.
00:21:31There's Jewish, one in Needham and one in, I want to say,
00:21:35God, I can't remember where it was a few years ago.
00:21:38It was on the north side.
00:21:39I think Peabody invited me and I spoke.
00:21:43So, anytime.
00:21:45Hold on, real quick.
00:21:47Only on the Central Massive Podcast will Gary have to explain this to everyone.
00:21:51I'm just saying, I ain't biased toward nobody.
00:21:54I'm more than any church.
00:21:56We want you to tell the story.
00:21:57It's like, damn, man, I need to get paid now.
00:21:59Now, we need you to volunteer your time to come into our place and do something.
00:22:05I'll do that for, yeah, I'll do that.
00:22:07No, no, no, no, no.
00:22:09No, don't do that.
00:22:10No, Max.
00:22:10No, no, that's his advice.
00:22:12Yeah, that's his advice.
00:22:12You're causing me problems.
00:22:13When you say, Gary doesn't ask for money, but I tell you what, Max is asking for money
00:22:19when he goes to Mass.
00:22:20Well, you're a champion.
00:22:21You're a retired member.
00:22:24It's like when we go to the garden, you get free reign in the family room to get all the
00:22:30nice, fresh chicken fingers and wings that we can't get.
00:22:33No, that's a good point.
00:22:35That is your friend.
00:22:36You'd be pulling up with those.
00:22:38You'd be pulling up with the nice, fresh, fried chicken wings.
00:22:41Now, he's putting my business out.
00:22:43I'm just kidding.
00:22:44I'm telling you, he's putting my business, or what I'm doing, third for you.
00:22:50You were talking about his paper earlier.
00:22:53Oh, I'm number 31.
00:22:54That's who I am.
00:22:55I'm number 31.
00:22:57You see that?
00:22:59Go out to the court and look up, and when you see 31, yeah, you see my, yeah, that's
00:23:04who I be doing.
00:23:05Let me do it like it's supposed to be done.
00:23:08For the woman back there in the back who didn't know who I am, I'm Rick James, man.
00:23:14Yeah, that's pretty much what you said, pretty much.
00:23:16I'm 31.
00:23:17What?
00:23:18I'm number 31.
00:23:19All right.
00:23:20Well, look it up.
00:23:20Google it.
00:23:22Well, Gary, give us the lowdown on this whole Kendrick Perkins at the Southern's Parade.
00:23:26What was it?
00:23:27Did he not get the invite?
00:23:28Is he out of the group text?
00:23:30Like, what's the, like, is this the Boston radio trying to start things when he had a,
00:23:36they had a perk on and he was talking about he had a boner pick with Scout, but you were
00:23:41there.
00:23:41What was going on?
00:23:42Okay, so it sounded like, okay, they had an O-8 duck boat.
00:23:48They had an O-8 boat, right?
00:23:49Duck boat, right?
00:23:50The Bear Trophy, Pierce came out, Eddie House.
00:23:54I think Cassell was on that because-
00:23:55Cassell was on there, yeah.
00:23:57I think Leon Poe.
00:23:58Leon Poe.
00:23:59Four members of the 15 or whatever, right?
00:24:02And even though, and you saw, I mean, you got the great interview with Ray Allen.
00:24:06He went to game five, like, on the day.
00:24:09Really cool moment.
00:24:10Like, he just, I mean, he was just like, I didn't see, I was like, damn, Ray was at the
00:24:14game.
00:24:14Like, so, but I think, so what was it?
00:24:19Scout, Paul, Leon, Eddie.
00:24:24So five members of the team.
00:24:26And I guess they asked Scout, when Park was invited, and he's like, well, I don't think
00:24:31he would be invited and whatever.
00:24:34And there's some tension now, there's some stuff, because obviously the quote of him
00:24:40calling Missoula a bird brain, not kind of a bird brain.
00:24:44That's a tough quote, right?
00:24:46That was a, it was a very critical quote.
00:24:49I think it was a few months ago.
00:24:50Actually, they lost to Denver at home.
00:24:53It was like the home loss to Denver, and he went in on Missoula.
00:24:58Okay.
00:24:59So people didn't forget it.
00:25:01Yeah.
00:25:01So Scout kind of threw in the atmosphere that there was some tension between Park and the
00:25:07organization, and Park is like, hold up.
00:25:10First of all, keep my name out of your mouth.
00:25:12Secondly, it's not like I got invited or they invited the whole 08 team.
00:25:18I don't know how this person did it.
00:25:20I'm sure if some members of, if Garnett was like, hey, I want to be on the duck boat,
00:25:26they would, of course, brought him on.
00:25:28And I think with Pierce, Pierce is in Boston a lot more than Garnett or any of the 08 team.
00:25:35House works for NBC Sports Boston.
00:25:37I know he lives in Phoenix, but I think House comes here a lot too.
00:25:42Scal, of course.
00:25:43And then Leon Paul works for the organization.
00:25:46So it's not easy.
00:25:47So I don't think there was some like 15 invites where Rondo and Gabe Pruitt and.
00:25:54Scott Pollard.
00:25:56You know, glad Scott Pollard is doing well now.
00:25:59He had some medical issues.
00:26:01That's right.
00:26:04So kudos to Scott Pollard.
00:26:09Glad he's doing a lot better.
00:26:12You know, it wasn't like there was over 15 invites.
00:26:15And Perk was like, oh, we're writing 14, but not not Perk.
00:26:19Right.
00:26:19It's the way it's the way he worded it, though, the way he scoured it as if like,
00:26:24I had a conversation with Perk, you know, called me and we had a conversation.
00:26:29The purpose is wasn't happy.
00:26:31And he's his whole thing is, you know, I respect the Celtics.
00:26:35But one, that was 24's moment, not 08's moment.
00:26:38I respect that, too.
00:26:41Two, like, you know, like he said, I haven't come to Boston on my own in years.
00:26:45I come from work or whatever.
00:26:48Like, I'm not, you know, I'm a former Celtic and, you know, I love those guys.
00:26:53But it's not like I'm coming back every reunion and I'm coming back here for work.
00:26:57And I covered a league and I got to tell like it is.
00:27:00So I respect Perk for that.
00:27:02And then Scout, he was upset that Scout didn't call him back with immediacy.
00:27:06And Scout was like, well, I'm a busy man and my bad.
00:27:09And so, you know, let's hope they can talk it out.
00:27:12It's kind of it's petty.
00:27:15But, you know, you probably shouldn't.
00:27:17It's got my not a refrain from saying, oh, Perk's got issues with, you know, do I think
00:27:22Missoula was upset?
00:27:23Yeah.
00:27:24Like anybody would be upset being called a birdbrain and anybody would be upset with
00:27:29some, you know, the Perks been hard on.
00:27:32But I don't know what team Perk likes.
00:27:34Perk hard on everybody.
00:27:36Yeah, like he's the he's like, you know, Max, we grew up.
00:27:40He's the dad that your father like none of his kids.
00:27:44Like it wasn't like, you know, like him.
00:27:49He'll like me equally bad, you know, like how it is.
00:27:57Perk keeps it real.
00:27:58He said he said Anthony Davis might ask for a training deadline if it don't work out
00:28:04with Reddit.
00:28:05Perk drops it on the day.
00:28:07He doesn't care.
00:28:07He's made some probably some adversaries and lost some friendships because he's had to
00:28:12keep it real.
00:28:13And I respect that.
00:28:14And he's he's been hard on the Celtics this year.
00:28:17And he's, you know, and he he suggested they might break up the Jays a couple of years
00:28:21ago.
00:28:22And, you know, but, hey, everybody, a lot of people got proved wrong.
00:28:26And I think Perk is personally happy for those guys.
00:28:29I think he like he enjoyed his time in Boston.
00:28:32He was for any place he played.
00:28:34He was in Boston for the longest.
00:28:35He won a championship.
00:28:37You know, I think he had a couple of his kids in Boston.
00:28:40So, you know, I think he's OK.
00:28:43But he's kind of like scowl.
00:28:45Like, first of all, bro, like, why are you why am I on?
00:28:48Like, am I talking about anybody called Rondo?
00:28:50You know, like, why is it just me?
00:28:53And I'm the one that got disinvited.
00:28:55Like you said, if I got invited, I probably wouldn't come.
00:28:59You got stuff to do.
00:29:00He lives in Texas.
00:29:01So he's going to come out here for one day to raise the banner in our parade?
00:29:07Yes, he would.
00:29:08You think he would?
00:29:10Yeah, if you got the invite, you think that's what it was?
00:29:13I mean, let's keep it real.
00:29:15Uh-oh.
00:29:16The organization could not have been happy with some of the things that Perk said.
00:29:23I mean, we've all we look, you and I, broadcasters, we're all we always in some way.
00:29:30People are tugging at you to say what you said might have been said differently when you
00:29:34when and me more than any, because they feel like I work for the organization.
00:29:40So if I said something, I've heard, you know, people call me.
00:29:43I'm going, well, you might have wanted to phrase it.
00:29:46I mean, I remember the one of the lines I used.
00:29:48It was when Kevin Garnett was out.
00:29:50I happen to say that.
00:29:54Somebody else, I was on TV and radio, and the guy said,
00:29:57do you think the Suffolks can win when Kevin Garnett got hurt?
00:30:00The year they wanted to check me a year after they wanted to.
00:30:02I said, no, no, it's impossible.
00:30:05And yes, you said it's impossible.
00:30:12I got a call.
00:30:13I got a call saying, you might want to, you know, try to rephrase.
00:30:17Well, I was right.
00:30:19Backtrack, backtrack.
00:30:21But in a way that when you are when they perceive you as part of the organization,
00:30:27because Perk will lay his head on the fact that, look, in a way, we won the championship.
00:30:34I was on the team.
00:30:35So so you it's kind of hard to say one way where you are saying, look,
00:30:41I was part of this organization.
00:30:42I know how great it was.
00:30:44But then on the other hand, to kind of be overly critical about a guy like Joe Missoula.
00:30:49I can understand you said, I don't agree with what he did.
00:30:52I've said that before.
00:30:53Maybe you might want to take somebody out or do this or do that.
00:30:56But the Burberry thing that that would rub this organization the wrong way.
00:31:04I mean, people were upset when Grant Williams was in the back.
00:31:08They were saying Grant Williams was celebrating with the organization.
00:31:12And people were pissed off at Grant for him to be there at the game.
00:31:17They didn't say nothing about Taco.
00:31:18But when Grant could be there.
00:31:20You can't be mad at Taco.
00:31:25That's a good point, though.
00:31:26They both play for the squad.
00:31:28Yeah.
00:31:28Anybody say anything at all with Taco.
00:31:31But they sure wanted Grant.
00:31:33Grant played with both teams.
00:31:35So I can see that he had some vested interest.
00:31:38He had friends who were there.
00:31:39And it just happened that his buddies for the Celtics won.
00:31:43I'm sure he had to be happy about that.
00:31:45We had him on our podcast.
00:31:47And we talked about who would win the championship.
00:31:50He predicted this whole thing.
00:31:52You know, kind of what would happen.
00:31:54But, you know, let's not be so naive to think that maybe there wasn't something in there
00:32:00or where Perk was that, you know, is different.
00:32:03I just believe that, you know, when you say something about a team.
00:32:08It's going to come back some way to haunt you.
00:32:10I mean, hell, do you think Stephen A. Smith is invited to any damn Celtic
00:32:14parades or anything like that?
00:32:16You know, he's not being invited.
00:32:18Because some of the things he said about this organization.
00:32:22Yeah, that's a good point.
00:32:24I mean, it's a tricky spot, man.
00:32:25If you ask me, I just feel like it's one of those things where, like Perk said,
00:32:31it wasn't an official invite list and he was not on it.
00:32:34You know, it's one of those things where if you wanted to be on the duck boat or if you
00:32:38want to be involved, I'm sure people put their name in it.
00:32:40Let me hear this.
00:32:41Go ahead.
00:32:42You said what?
00:32:43If he wants to be, if he wanted to be on the duck boat, what would happen?
00:32:46Let me make sure you hear what he would have put his name in.
00:32:48He would put his name in there.
00:32:49And would he have been on the duck boat?
00:32:52I'm asking.
00:32:53I'm asking you right now that I don't know.
00:32:56No, no, I'm asking.
00:32:57What do you think?
00:32:58So this probably would have said no.
00:33:00OK, right.
00:33:01But he was going to put himself out there.
00:33:02But who's got to put make himself the team ambassador to be like, I don't know if he
00:33:07would have been, you know what I mean?
00:33:08So I can see where Perk stands saying, like, wait, who are you to make that call?
00:33:11You know, I don't know.
00:33:13How scale has a carte blanche with this team in different areas that most people don't.
00:33:20And I love scale.
00:33:21I've always been his biggest admirer.
00:33:23And the fact that you have a guy who's his career scoring or what he did for this team
00:33:28compared to where he's at now in the organization and seeing with the big three.
00:33:33He was a guy who was interviewing the players, you know, before they came out and got on
00:33:37the dugboats himself into a commodity for this team.
00:33:43So he has he has, I guess, luxuries that some of us might not have.
00:33:48But if I'm the team, I'd be thinking the same way.
00:33:51Look, we don't need you talking for us or even putting that out there.
00:33:56Yeah, that's what you don't want.
00:33:57We don't we don't we don't need no negativity after we just won the championship.
00:34:01Let's win the championship and just be cool about it.
00:34:05We don't need it was enough stuff with the team, with all the stuff with Ray and KG,
00:34:12and that got settled, made good.
00:34:15And let's not bring it to where the difference between Park and Paul.
00:34:20Paul does the Fox Sports stuff.
00:34:22But Paul is unapologetically a Celtic.
00:34:25I mean, the next day after they won, he wore a Celtic stuff on the air.
00:34:29Paul is down for Boston.
00:34:31He is a Celtic.
00:34:32Park has felt like I got to make a name for myself.
00:34:36I didn't have a great, great career, an all star caliber career.
00:34:39I won a championship.
00:34:40I was a quality defensive big man for a decade or whatever.
00:34:47I got to make my name, keeping it real.
00:34:50And I admire that because that's what's kept him on the air.
00:34:53He doesn't have he's not he's not making no friends.
00:34:56He's not going to turn around and say nice things just, you know, just because
00:35:00a guy likes him or he's going to be.
00:35:02I'm sure he had some issues with Kevin Durant.
00:35:05Some things said about Kevin Durant.
00:35:07He keeps it real.
00:35:08He's kept it real about the Celtics.
00:35:09As I said, he treats everybody the same.
00:35:11He rips everybody.
00:35:13So for him to be.
00:35:14Yeah, he doesn't do that with LeBron.
00:35:18Yeah, I mean, I think I think that's the one with the soft part.
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00:37:16I think for him.
00:37:20I'm giving you another softball to get here.
00:37:22Oh, I think your son.
00:37:23Oh my God.
00:37:24You got your son.
00:37:25Oh, we don't.
00:37:26Oh, don't get back started.
00:37:28Come on, man.
00:37:30And look, I admire the fact that he's in the league, but if his name wasn't Bronny James,
00:37:37would we be talking about him?
00:37:39No, here's my thing on that.
00:37:41Okay.
00:37:42Okay.
00:37:43Give it to LeBron.
00:37:45I don't have a problem with LeBron maneuvering his son to get drafted, but I have a problem
00:37:51is when you have your son and he wants to be like you, he wants to be a pro football
00:37:58player.
00:37:59Okay.
00:38:00My goal, if I had a son in that position would be, or if I had a son who wanted to be a sports
00:38:05journalist like me or whatever, my goal would be, son, I want you to have the longest, best
00:38:11career possible.
00:38:13Okay.
00:38:14And if we don't work together, then, oh, well.
00:38:18LeBron's fascination with playing with him, I think has forced him and Bronny to skip
00:38:24steps because people are like, well, it's like Ken Griffey Jr. and Ken Griffey Sr.
00:38:30No, the hell it's not.
00:38:32Ken Griffey Jr. came out of Bar High School in Cincinnati in 1987.
00:38:38He was 18.
00:38:39Everybody freaking knew he was going to be in the bigs in a year or so.
00:38:44You saw that motherfucker is the real deal.
00:38:48Okay.
00:38:49And he was playing for the Mariners by the time he was 19.
00:38:53You saw it.
00:38:54Wow.
00:38:54Okay.
00:38:55You saw, if you look at a young Ken Griffey Jr., Ken Griffey, I forgot how long he was
00:39:00in the Miners.
00:39:01It was not long.
00:39:02He got drafted number one overall and his dad was still serviceable.
00:39:06He was 40.
00:39:08So his dad had him young.
00:39:09I think his dad had him at 19.
00:39:10So he was 39, 40 by the time Ken Griffey Jr. got to the bigs and they played together.
00:39:17So it was different.
00:39:20You saw Griffey was a mofo.
00:39:23Like he was going to be the man.
00:39:26You can't do that.
00:39:27You don't see that out of Bronny James.
00:39:29Yeah, don't.
00:39:30Okay.
00:39:30Yeah.
00:39:31And he's four years.
00:39:32And he's only four years, man.
00:39:33My whole thing with LeBron is you want to play with him, but you're going for it.
00:39:37Now he's a grown man.
00:39:38He can't go back to college.
00:39:41He a grown ass man now.
00:39:43You know, taking your son at 19 and said, okay, no more college parties.
00:39:50No more girls on the campus.
00:39:52He could have transferred.
00:39:53Okay.
00:39:54It didn't work out at USC.
00:39:55He could have transferred to 50 schools would have taken him in a minute.
00:39:59Played, had fun, came back from his hard work, developed, and then maybe came out next year
00:40:06or played another two years.
00:40:08He coming out averaging less than five points a game.
00:40:11And now, and his dad ain't going to be around forever.
00:40:14Gary, his captain teammate didn't get drafted, man.
00:40:17The dude averaged like three times more and all that.
00:40:19But yeah.
00:40:21Like to me, you're forcing your son to skip these steps just because you want to be on
00:40:27the team with him.
00:40:28Well, did you force the Lakers to get him?
00:40:34Pretty much.
00:40:36What'd you think?
00:40:37Well, yeah.
00:40:37He wanted to play with his son.
00:40:39Yeah.
00:40:41You think they're not going to take on Max?
00:40:42Come on, man.
00:40:45I was like, I was told my boys on a group chat, Rich Paul was like Suge Knight calling
00:40:51all the record companies.
00:40:54If Snoop Son wanted to be a rapper and Rich Paul was like Suge Knight calling all the
00:40:58companies was like, you best not sign Snoop Son.
00:41:05He come to death raw.
00:41:07He come to death raw.
00:41:09It was like he did.
00:41:10He, that was some gangster stuff.
00:41:12All teams, you bet not.
00:41:16Draft, draft Ronnie and see what happens.
00:41:22That's the way you see his blackness coming out now.
00:41:24Yeah, I like it.
00:41:29Draft Ronnie and see what happens.
00:41:31Max, he ain't saying this on 98.5, yo.
00:41:32I love it.
00:41:33Go ahead, Gary.
00:41:34Keep going, man.
00:41:36So to me, that's what, that's what, I just think it's like, it's a disservice to his
00:41:41son in the sense of now this young man has got to go to the G league, go all these cities.
00:41:47It's going to be great if he ever gets on the court, but you talk about a one or two
00:41:51year thing and then you're going to retire and this dude's got to make a career out of
00:41:54this because look, let's look at J.D. Davis.
00:41:58And that's the hardest position too, right, Gary?
00:41:59That's the most competitive position.
00:42:01J.D. Davis came out of Alabama after a freshman.
00:42:04He had a much better year than Ronnie did.
00:42:07He's played two years in the G league.
00:42:09The Celtics have to decide if they want to sign him.
00:42:11Now he's a free agent.
00:42:12He's 21.
00:42:14He's like still trying to make it.
00:42:17Stay with Jaden Springer.
00:42:19You want to be that guy or Brandon Boston, the kid from the Clippers who was Terrence
00:42:25Clark's close friend, played one year at Kentucky, I want to say.
00:42:29The Clippers just released him.
00:42:30He's 21.
00:42:31Now he's trying to find himself.
00:42:34Is that what you want for your son?
00:42:35I don't want that for my son.
00:42:37If I'm my son, I don't want that.
00:42:39I want him to go right to the league, then try to run for rookie of the year and have
00:42:45a good long career.
00:42:46Not, okay, well, I got to go to Yugoslavia.
00:42:49I got to go to.
00:42:50No, no, no, you're missing it here.
00:42:52There's a big difference.
00:42:54His daddy is a fucking billionaire.
00:42:58So what happens if he retires, Max?
00:43:01He's still going to be a billionaire.
00:43:03Yeah, but what's he going to buy a team and then sign Ronnie?
00:43:06If he stops, if Ronnie, wait a minute, wait a minute.
00:43:10Ronnie stops playing in a year.
00:43:13What do you think he's going to do?
00:43:14What do you think his daddy ain't going to take care of him?
00:43:16No, but I'm saying he.
00:43:17He's safe for his career though.
00:43:20His goal is to be an NBA player.
00:43:23No, financially, he's fine.
00:43:25I ain't worried about Ronnie going broke.
00:43:27I get that, but I'm worried about Ronnie having a 10 to 12 year NBA career.
00:43:33Well, we all rush the process.
00:43:37Yeah, we all can look at that.
00:43:38It's just saying right now.
00:43:40I just don't think that's a service to Ronnie.
00:43:42Yeah, I agree.
00:43:43I agree.
00:43:44Because how many brothers out here in the G League 20?
00:43:48Look at James Young.
00:43:50Celtics drafted that kid 10 years ago.
00:43:53Whatever the hell happened to him?
00:43:55What happened to him?
00:43:56He played a year and a half.
00:43:58Where he at?
00:44:01And that was a lottery pick.
00:44:03He was on the 14th or 17th.
00:44:06I can't remember.
00:44:08RJ Hunter just got back in the G League, man.
00:44:10He's been back and forth.
00:44:13And I'm not saying he's going to be broke, but trying to be a G leaguer and trying to
00:44:19go through that route is hard as hell to be without having LeBron's name on top of it.
00:44:26So maybe he's going to keep him in the roster.
00:44:30LeBron said, you better keep my boy.
00:44:33Don't send him to the G League.
00:44:35Is that going to help him?
00:44:38I don't know.
00:44:39In LA, too.
00:44:40You're doing a disservice to him because it's nothing to do with the nepotism.
00:44:44OK, if Ronnie was averaging 22 points a game, I'd be like, yep.
00:44:52There, he ready.
00:44:53He's only averaging less than five points a game.
00:44:56Like, I'm not dissing him.
00:44:58I watch a lot of his games.
00:44:59He's got some skills.
00:45:00He's 6'1", man.
00:45:04He's 6'1".
00:45:05Yeah, it's tough, man.
00:45:07It's like, so he's going to be a truth.
00:45:09Oh, his upside is Derek.
00:45:11Oh, Derek White.
00:45:12OK, Drew Holiday.
00:45:14Drew Holiday's 6'4".
00:45:16Can you see how big Drew Holiday is?
00:45:18And strong that dude is?
00:45:20And Derek White's 6'5", 6'6".
00:45:23That's not the equal, man.
00:45:26Ronnie is 6'1".
00:45:30Avery Bradley might be close.
00:45:34But Avery was an elite defender.
00:45:36And Avery turned out to be a really good shooter, though.
00:45:39Yes, and he worked on his stuff.
00:45:40Yeah, he polished it up.
00:45:41And he might be the closest comparison.
00:45:43And Avery came out at 19, and he was injured.
00:45:46And Avery took a while to get going.
00:45:48So I really hope he succeeds because I think he's a good kid.
00:45:52Just having seen interviews with him.
00:45:54But, man, I just think they just fast-tracked this thing.
00:45:58It could have been next year.
00:46:00OK, son, you're coming off the heart thing.
00:46:02Play a full season at Ohio State, Duquesne, wherever you want to go.
00:46:08Get your numbers up.
00:46:09Get your confidence up.
00:46:10Come out in 25.
00:46:12And then do the same thing.
00:46:14And maybe you got a little traction now.
00:46:18I'm not saying he shouldn't have got drafted.
00:46:20I'm just saying.
00:46:21He's fast-tracking them.
00:46:23Well, if you're the Lakers, you're saying exactly that.
00:46:28What you're saying is like what?
00:46:3090% of the people.
00:46:31Because now you're a grown man, Max.
00:46:32Like, no kids, no parties.
00:46:34He's been taken.
00:46:35He's in that NBA life.
00:46:38You can hang out with your dad all you want.
00:46:39You can go out to dinner with him.
00:46:41But you're a grown man now.
00:46:44Like, this is a grown man's league, even if you're 18, 19, 20.
00:46:48You've got to figure out what to do with them other 22 hours.
00:46:51You've got to figure out what to do with the women.
00:46:53You've got to figure out what to do with your homeboys.
00:46:56Some of them want to hang out with you too much
00:46:58or get you into stuff you don't need to get into.
00:47:00Like, you don't have the structure.
00:47:02I get it.
00:47:03I don't.
00:47:03I don't.
00:47:04I think he's a grown man.
00:47:04But it's just like you just turned yourself into a straight-up grown man.
00:47:09I think it's a lot more than that.
00:47:10I think he has to get his game up to par.
00:47:13Yeah.
00:47:13In addition to that, though.
00:47:15That's the biggest thing.
00:47:17Because he's got a leg in the gym.
00:47:19And you know how it is, Max.
00:47:20And you know Joe Sway, some of these young dudes.
00:47:23I remember when I first got on the Celtic beat, seeing Bill Walker.
00:47:29And that dude was around KG, Paul, Ray.
00:47:33And that dude was out of fucking shape.
00:47:35And it was like, Bill, what more motivation do you need?
00:47:40You're working around three Hall of Famers.
00:47:43And if you want to throw Rondo in there, maybe four eventually.
00:47:46I don't know.
00:47:47But four All-Stars.
00:47:50And you come in here, and you leave in practice.
00:47:53And them dudes still working?
00:47:55He was in New York by 2011, man.
00:47:57That was it.
00:47:57It was a short stint.
00:47:59Because I remember hearing about him when he was in high school, how much of an athlete.
00:48:03And I just remember JR Gittins, who wasn't very good either.
00:48:07But JR Gittins worked his ass off.
00:48:10He's worked out with Ray.
00:48:11He was trying to get it.
00:48:13And it's just like the league.
00:48:15And I know the Lakers will have his back.
00:48:17So that's a special situation.
00:48:19How do you have his back when you can't play?
00:48:24Well, they're going to, yeah.
00:48:26They're going to make it.
00:48:28When his father retires, all bets are off.
00:48:31Why the Lakers don't care about him in five years when he's 24, and he still ain't quite
00:48:37got there.
00:48:39Look at Davidson.
00:48:40Look at JD Springer.
00:48:43James Springer.
00:48:44James Springer is 21 years old.
00:48:45He came out.
00:48:47All them dudes.
00:48:48Undersized guards, though.
00:48:51Why are you coming out?
00:48:52Especially with JD and Bogue.
00:48:55With NIL money, you still coming out?
00:48:57You can make money.
00:48:58Now you can hustle in college.
00:48:59You ain't got to take the envelope under the door anymore like a lot of these kids did
00:49:04to buy the SUV and take it home.
00:49:07Buy the whip and some shit.
00:49:08You can go to the car.
00:49:09You can go right on the car dealership, get you a brand new car, get money.
00:49:14Like, there's no reason to go to the league unless you know you're going to play.
00:49:18No reason.
00:49:20Unless you just really don't like school.
00:49:22Who didn't like college?
00:49:24Who the hell?
00:49:25Like, is college that bad?
00:49:29Let me say this.
00:49:30Like, what?
00:49:31Have you suffered in college?
00:49:32With NIL money?
00:49:34Let me explain this to you.
00:49:35The best compliment I ever had came from one guy, and that was Jojo White.
00:49:41I do remember being on the court playing, and I looked over at Jojo White.
00:49:46I just made the move, and Jojo White was his 10th year.
00:49:50You know, I was a rookie.
00:49:51And he looked at another guy beside him and said, I fucking play.
00:49:56And at that point, you know.
00:49:59But I'm just telling you, when Bronny James is going into the situation with guys who
00:50:04are ahead of him already, and then there's going to be the nepotism thinking like, well,
00:50:10the only reason you're here is because your daddy.
00:50:13Your dad, yeah.
00:50:14And that's going to make guys go at you even more.
00:50:17And the Bronny James can't protect him on the floor once he gets out there.
00:50:22You're going to be exposed.
00:50:24Not in the G League when all these youngsters.
00:50:26You are.
00:50:26Hungry.
00:50:27Hungry G Leaguers.
00:50:28Yeah, that's a good point, man.
00:50:29And don't be all in his ear about his daddy.
00:50:33Yeah.
00:50:34That's a good point.
00:50:35That is that we've seen that.
00:50:37How many times?
00:50:38We saw that happen with all of Jordan's sons who were trying to get in, you know, just
00:50:45trying to get to work.
00:50:46But all they could hear was Mike.
00:50:48Very seldom you hear that where you have a player that's a young player who's coming
00:50:53this league.
00:50:54I can't think of one in a long time.
00:50:56You know, Steph Curry is the one that comes to mind.
00:50:59Probably, yeah.
00:51:00But other than that, I can think of all these.
00:51:02Kobe.
00:51:02Obviously, Kobe.
00:51:03Sometimes then you're going, well, what?
00:51:05What happened to this guy?
00:51:06I mean, what?
00:51:06Yeah.
00:51:07I mean, a lot of them.
00:51:08That just doesn't happen.
00:51:09Was a morning son tried to make the league.
00:51:11Shaq's son tried to make the league.
00:51:13Oh, yeah.
00:51:14Oldest son tried to make the league.
00:51:16Ewing's kid, right?
00:51:17Or no.
00:51:18Patrick Ewing.
00:51:18He had a little cup of coffee.
00:51:19He played some.
00:51:20Yeah.
00:51:21Glenn Rice ended up getting in trouble.
00:51:23Rice's son.
00:51:24Like it is not.
00:51:25Look, look, look at King and Martin's son.
00:51:28Who's a freakish athlete.
00:51:30And he's bounced around.
00:51:31Now he's in Philly.
00:51:32Like to me, it's hard.
00:51:34It is hard.
00:51:35And those dudes all have better college careers than Bronte.
00:51:41So the protection is there because LeBron is there.
00:51:44And I applaud that.
00:51:45And I said, I ain't tripping about the nepotism or picking
00:51:47him.
00:51:48You know, give him a shot.
00:51:49But you just started his grown man life already.
00:51:53You are picking.
00:51:54You are.
00:51:55You are picking against that.
00:51:57I'm saying exactly what you said.
00:51:59I mean, he's just.
00:52:00That's his prediction, though.
00:52:02I just.
00:52:03I don't like.
00:52:04I don't mind nepotism.
00:52:06Whatever is whatever.
00:52:07It's a league of nepotism.
00:52:09We all know, Max.
00:52:10Like we all see.
00:52:12We all see people's sons around the organization that we were.
00:52:17Not as a player.
00:52:19We see that in management.
00:52:21We see that in coaching.
00:52:23But when you step out there on the floor, you don't see that like that.
00:52:27Either you can play or you can't play.
00:52:29We think about Gary Payton's son.
00:52:32Gary Payton could play or he couldn't play.
00:52:34And he's, you know, he's OK.
00:52:37He's made a living.
00:52:38He's able to do.
00:52:39You know, we've seen very seldom, very seldom.
00:52:41We've seen that particular thing happen.
00:52:43I am not mad.
00:52:46I'm just I guess I'm just confused.
00:52:48And I'm not confused.
00:52:50But I really feel bad for them.
00:52:51This is one time I feel bad for the Lakers, that they were forced to do something that
00:52:56they know damn well that they shouldn't have done.
00:52:58That's that's all I say.
00:53:00They know damn well.
00:53:01That's what you mess with Suge Knight.
00:53:02That's what happened.
00:53:03Huh?
00:53:04You get that.
00:53:04You get that phone call.
00:53:05I see you mess with Suge Knight.
00:53:06That's what happened.
00:53:09Gary, let's talk real quick.
00:53:11The Celtics rookies, though.
00:53:12Baylor Shireman at number 30.
00:53:14You got A.N. Watson at number 54.
00:53:18I guess we start with Shireman.
00:53:19Is there any belief that the fact that Celtics didn't go ahead and try to trade into the
00:53:24second round, which when you think about the second apron, the tax implications and all that
00:53:29would have been significantly cheaper?
00:53:30Is there any stock in thinking that Brad, like this is his guy, like he 100 percent
00:53:35really believes that this guy can can develop into an everyday player?
00:53:38Or is this just him picking at number 30?
00:53:41Which one is it?
00:53:42I do think they really like Shireman.
00:53:44Like I heard from a couple of people after the draft because I hadn't seen I hadn't watched
00:53:49much Creighton.
00:53:50I ain't gonna lie.
00:53:50It wasn't like I was studying Creighton all year.
00:53:54I knew he was the best player on Creighton and I'd heard of him a little bit.
00:53:57But a couple of people I talked to were high on him and said that was a good pick.
00:54:03Like they were like, oh, that kid can play.
00:54:05He's going to he's going to he's going to fit into what they're trying to do.
00:54:09I thought that.
00:54:09And then Watson, I surprised he fell that far.
00:54:14Gonzaga players usually know how to play.
00:54:16They make pretty good pros.
00:54:17They make solid pros.
00:54:19I don't know if it would be an all star or anything, but I think those are two
00:54:23quality picks.
00:54:24And those two dudes are 23.
00:54:26They ready to play.
00:54:27That's the difference between the shooters, too.
00:54:30Do you really do you really need those players?
00:54:33You talk about they need shooting and they got to prepare for life after.
00:54:38When the salary start kicking in because they got to figure out what to do with Derek White.
00:54:43OK, what do you mean?
00:54:45You bring in salary wise.
00:54:48You know, I mean, you got a pad.
00:54:49You got to you got to cultivate some of these young guys because you because you can't
00:54:53sign mid-level guys.
00:54:54You can't sign mid-level sessions.
00:54:57No buyout buyouts.
00:54:59Right.
00:54:59No buyout contracts.
00:55:01This second apron is is limited.
00:55:06It's a real deal.
00:55:07Well, you know what?
00:55:08Once you once you go to war right now, what you have.
00:55:12Yeah.
00:55:12If you keep those guys you have right now, you go.
00:55:15You can make the law the next five years because you're going to have to find you have to find
00:55:21a big because or see what happens to poor thing is because Al, this might be his last
00:55:26year coming up.
00:55:27I don't know if he plays in his 40s.
00:55:28We'll see.
00:55:29But let me tell you.
00:55:31Oh, yeah.
00:55:34Walk the beast now.
00:55:38I've got five damn kids over there and they're paying $10 million a year.
00:55:43What do you think his wife is saying to him?
00:55:46Got a new crib, too.
00:55:48New house and everything.
00:55:50Tell him to come home and she's having kids.
00:55:54I asked her, I said, oh, everybody else went down to Miami to celebrate.
00:56:01Why didn't Al go?
00:56:02She looked at me like, are you crazy?
00:56:05You got five kids at home.
00:56:08I think it's going to go year to year.
00:56:11You're getting the $10 million and keep getting the $10 million until his body just breaks down.
00:56:17You see the thing about Al right now.
00:56:19He's still in great shape.
00:56:23They massage him all the time.
00:56:25Why are you going?
00:56:26Why would you go home?
00:56:28Well, Gary, they got to sign one of these free agents, though, whether it's Luke Cornette,
00:56:32whether it's Tillman.
00:56:33You can't let both of these guys walk, though, right?
00:56:36I don't think so.
00:56:36I think they obviously I think they like Cornette a lot.
00:56:39Tillman, I don't know if it worked out as well as they thought it would.
00:56:42And the same with Brissette.
00:56:45I think everybody thought Brissette would take that Grant Williams role,
00:56:48and that didn't work out.
00:56:49Brissette just ended up kind of being a defensive spark plug here and there.
00:56:55The thing about the Celtics, you have the veteran minimum.
00:56:59And when the market starts to dry up, there's going to be some quality players out there
00:57:05who are going to take that little $3 million minimum they got to try to win a chip.
00:57:09So I think the Celtics options are a lot better than it sounds because,
00:57:13oh, they only have the minimum.
00:57:14But wait till this market starts.
00:57:18I want to ask you this question because you're kind of an insider.
00:57:21Where does Paul George go at?
00:57:23Does he stay in LA or does he go to Philly?
00:57:27Clock's ticking, by the way.
00:57:28So we'll see.
00:57:29We might find out in the next 24 hours.
00:57:31I think he stays in LA.
00:57:34I just think, why would you?
00:57:39Unless Philly throws everything.
00:57:40Because obviously Philly's got to-
00:57:41That's what I'm thinking, Gary.
00:57:42I'm thinking Philly might have the greatest presentation or something like that.
00:57:47But to ask a guy to go to Los Angeles who's from that area and go to Philly
00:57:54and just be in a different environment in the East Coast than Paul.
00:57:57It's gritty.
00:58:00I just think the environment.
00:58:04The Clippers are like, man, you good, but we ain't winning with you.
00:58:09So we're not going to offer you the four-year.
00:58:12They gave Kawhi three.
00:58:15Does he take three?
00:58:16Does he take four but less money?
00:58:18Or does Philly with Daryl Morey throw everything at him?
00:58:22You can be our number two.
00:58:24But he goes to Philly.
00:58:26He's a number three guy.
00:58:28Okay.
00:58:31But here's the thing about-
00:58:3334.
00:58:34Yeah, but the thing you're talking about right now,
00:58:37maybe he takes on the same position as Drew Holiday.
00:58:40Drew Holiday is not a number two guy, three guy, four guy.
00:58:43But if you're Paul George and you're more or less interested in winning the chip,
00:58:48you take that position.
00:58:50Because now you got MB.
00:58:52You got Maxie.
00:58:54And I can fill in the blanks.
00:58:56And you guys talking about, well, he's in LA now.
00:58:58You're not really in LA during the season because you're always traveling.
00:59:02During the off season, you can go where you want to go.
00:59:04But during the season, you always boom, boom, boom, boom.
00:59:08You're going all over the place.
00:59:09So I think that Paul George, to me,
00:59:14it makes more sense that Paul George signs a contract and goes to Philly.
00:59:19And that makes Philly tougher.
00:59:20But I still don't believe Philly has enough to beat the Celtics.
00:59:24Yeah.
00:59:25I think that's where he probably should go if they roll out the red carpet for him.
00:59:30The Clippers have shown that, listen, we're kind of over this whole Paul Kawhi thing.
00:59:37And Orlando's a wild card.
00:59:39They got the money.
00:59:40They need a veteran to take the next step.
00:59:44Is it going to be somebody like that?
00:59:46Or Klay Thompson?
00:59:47Klay's out there too now.
00:59:50But you know what?
00:59:51I just think somehow the Clippers come up and say, OK, we're good.
00:59:55This is what we're going to give you.
00:59:57Come on back.
00:59:58And of course, it's reported that Paul George was supposed to have meetings with these teams.
01:00:01So we'll see what happens, what comes out of that at the beginning of the free agency.
01:00:04Of course, the first week of free agency, though,
01:00:06that's going to be one of the top reports for sure.
01:00:10But last but not least, Gary, I got to ask you about this Celtics book you got coming out.
01:00:16Saw you tweeting about a couple of weeks ago, days after the Celtics won the 18th championship.
01:00:20Tell us about it, man.
01:00:21I know it's not just about the 2024 team, but the franchise overall, if I'm not mistaken, right?
01:00:25Yeah.
01:00:26We have a book.
01:00:30It's a kind of pictorial history of the Celtics, all the great moments,
01:00:34the great games, the great Celtics of all time.
01:00:37And let me see if I can find.
01:00:40My damn name better be in this motherfucker.
01:00:42I was waiting for that shit.
01:00:43It might be.
01:00:43I don't know.
01:00:46I knew you were going to say that.
01:00:47Here we go.
01:00:49I was going to say, I was going to preface the question to be like,
01:00:52better be Max in there.
01:00:53There he is.
01:00:54Draft match, Cedric Maxwell.
01:00:55So that's one of the top moments.
01:00:57I had to pick about 170 moments.
01:00:59He had that highlighted.
01:01:00Look at that.
01:01:00Look at that, Max.
01:01:02So we're editing process, but there's, there's Max playing against the bullets.
01:01:07He's actually.
01:01:08Is that a no look?
01:01:09Okay.
01:01:10Max.
01:01:10No, no passing the ball.
01:01:12Yeah.
01:01:12You don't see that often.
01:01:14What do you wear?
01:01:22What's that?
01:01:22What's that?
01:01:23One of, uh, one of three, 300 assists, career assists.
01:01:26I was not a reluctant.
01:01:29Looking here, surrounded by being guarded by his close friend, Rick Mahorn during those,
01:01:34during his bullets.
01:01:35Oh, your boy.
01:01:36Yeah.
01:01:37So I didn't even know he played with the bullets there.
01:01:39Yeah.
01:01:39Yeah.
01:01:39He started with the bullets where he wants the pistons, but, uh, yeah, it's a, it's a
01:01:44pictorial color, color photo, mostly colors, some of the black and white from the fifties
01:01:49and sixties, but right.
01:01:50Right.
01:01:51If you, if you, and I'm not saying this because it's my book, but I had to really study the
01:01:57history of the Celtics, all the great moments from the fifties and the sixties, the first
01:02:01black, obviously Chuck Cooper, the first black player drafted in the history of the NBA,
01:02:06obviously the Russell years, Russell being the coach, the seventies with, uh, Jojo White,
01:02:12Dave Cowens, and John Havlicek to the eighties.
01:02:15And even the tough summer that I've talked about some of the tough times to the early
01:02:20two thousands, the trash, Lynn Bias and Reggie Lewis, you know, it's a history of almost
01:02:28the 80 years now of the Celtic organization with moments, photos all the way until the
01:02:3518th championship and the parade.
01:02:38So we got, we got that included too.
01:02:39So if you want to learn and it's for kids to, you know, just, and it's my vignettes,
01:02:45my summary summarizing some of the great moments.
01:02:49And so if you want to read about the organization, uh, check it out on Amazon, it's called.
01:02:55Yeah.
01:02:55I was going to say, what's the name?
01:02:56What's the name of this book?
01:02:57Gary, the Boston Celtics and illustrated timeline.
01:03:04Huh?
01:03:07It's better to be a single digit.
01:03:10Yeah.
01:03:11Page, page 50.
01:03:15Well, he had to do the fifties and sixties.
01:03:16So that's not bad.
01:03:17I can't put you first.
01:03:26Max, you know, owns a family room with chicken wings.
01:03:29I could have put that, you know, because people going to be thinking that way.
01:03:35And be like, you know, he's not the broadcaster.
01:03:38He's not this.
01:03:39I'm a former player.
01:03:40He just goes in the wise room and gets chicken wings.
01:03:47I just thought he was a broadcaster.
01:03:49Yeah.
01:03:49That was funny as hell.
01:03:54Okay.
01:03:55I thought, you know what?
01:03:56I did the same thing to Jason.
01:03:58When he came up to me, uh, in Indiana, I said, uh, he said, man, I'm a, when you want,
01:04:03I'm when you ring this year.
01:04:04I said, Oh, I already got to, you know, you get your own.
01:04:10Yeah.
01:04:11Join the fraternity.
01:04:12Right.
01:04:13I'm going to have to put this picture out there.
01:04:16They have myself, Al, uh, Porzingis and Jason Tatum holding the trophy.
01:04:22Oh, that's a great.
01:04:23But I looked at me like I was sick because I'm standing beside Porzingis.
01:04:28I'm like, they said, what happened to you?
01:04:30Are you sick?
01:04:31You're okay.
01:04:31I said, this dude is seven foot five.
01:04:34I know.
01:04:38Yeah.
01:04:38Right.
01:04:39You get no brother.
01:04:41He makes, he makes everyone look small for sure.
01:04:44All right.
01:04:44He's, he's Gary Washburn of the Boston globe, man.
01:04:47Also a one third of the big three NBA podcast here on CLNS media.
01:04:52And it's always fun catching up with Gary, man.
01:04:54Look at that over an hour, man.
01:04:55We could go for another one for sure, man.
01:04:57Gary Washburn.
01:04:57Appreciate you coming back.
01:04:58And we ain't paying you ass either.
01:05:00No.
01:05:12No, that was one of the funniest segments for sure.
01:05:24That's a valid point.
01:05:25That's a valid point.
01:05:25But that's gonna do it for this episode of the Cedric Maxwell podcast.
01:05:28He's Cedric Maxwell.
01:05:29I am Josue Pavone.
01:05:31One more last time.
01:05:32Thank you, Gary, for coming on, man.
01:05:33And everyone out there.
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