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On this episode of Celtics Beat, Evan Valenti is joined by Chad Finn. Chad Finn is a sports and sports media columnist for The Boston Globe. Chad joins the program to chat about Jayson Tatum's lack of playing time, why it was such a big story, and how the Celtics can stay Kings of the city. Twitter: @GlobeChadFinn    5:45 Surprised that Jayson Tatum DNP-CD’s generated so much controversy   11:30 Curry, LeBron saved Kerr from intense criticism   20:39 Why did this topic dominate news cycles?  37:44 Is there a Celtics bias around the league?  44:30 How long can the Celtics be the Kings of Boston?  ***********************************  CLNS Media is Powered by:   Prize Picks - PrizePicks.com/CLNS  Download the app today and use code CLNS for a first deposit match up to $100!   Gametime - https://gametime.co  Take the guesswork out of buying NBA tickets with Gametime. Download the Gametime app, create an account, and use code CLNS for $20 off your first purchase. Download Gametime today. Last minute tickets. Lowest Price. Guaranteed. Terms apply.  Elevate your style game on and off the course with the PXG Spring Summer 2024 collection. Head over to https://PXG.com/GARDENREPORT and save 10% on all apparel.  Nutrafol Men! Take the first step to visibly thicker, healthier hair. For a limited time, Nutrafol is offering our listeners ten dollars off your first month’s subscription and free shipping when you go to https://Nutrafol.com/MEN and enter the promo code GARDEN!   #celtics #NBA #BostonCeltics The CLNS Media Network is the leading provider for video/audio content. CLNS is a fully credentialed member of the media with access to all NFL/NBA/NHL/MLB teams & venues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------  CLNS' rebuilt their YouTube community in less than 12 months, during a pandemic that attacked sports. Wondering how? Find out here (and support our channel) - https://www.tubebuddy.com/clnsmedia  Visit the Official Home of CLNS Sports Coverage -  https://clnsmedia.com  Twitter - https://twitter.com/CLNSMedia Celtics - https://twitter.com/celticsclns Patriots - https://twitter.com/patriotsclns Bruins - https://twitter.com/bruinsclns Red Sox - https://twitter.com/redsoxclns Non-Sports - https://twitter.com/northstation Facebook - http://facebook.com/clnsmedia INSTA - http://Instagram.com/clnsmedia INSTA Celtics - http://Instagram.com/celticsclns INSTA History - http://Instagram.com/nbahistoryclns

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00:06All right, and welcome in everybody. Evan Valente solo. No and coffin this week. He is on vacation enjoying

00:13Beautiful countryside of Maine. So Adam have great time

00:16I only mentioned that because I think it was

00:19Maybe a month or two ago Adam was up there and someone had recognized him from this podcast

00:23So I'm hoping that someone that's out there

00:26It's a fan of this pod maybe spots him around wherever town in Maine. He's and I'm not gonna give that away

00:30I just know he's in the state. And with that we bring on a fellow Mainer Chad Finn from the Boston Globe

00:37You know

00:37I was thinking about this show and I was trying to figure out how I wanted this to go and

00:42We're in the deadest of dead times. I think during the content creation season

00:48Football thankfully is gonna carry us the next six months, but you know, it's a little stale

00:53So I want to take a different, you know take on this particular show and with Chad Chad. Hello. How are you?

01:00Hey, Evan, how's it going doing? Well, thank you for asking

01:03I wanted to start this show in a little different spot and I promise there's a reason why I'm asking it and I will come

01:09Out and fully admit that it doesn't come as a shock to anybody

01:12But I am a Celtics fan that happens to run a Celtics podcast. I would like to think

01:18I'm on the more objective side than not

01:21I try and keep the fan hood down as much as I possibly can

01:26But I want to open this up Chad because it's gonna help me frame this discussion a little bit. Are you a Celtics fan? I

01:32grew up on

01:33Yeah, I grew up in the bird era

01:35Can't really be nowadays

01:38you know as a columnist, I mean I do have an opinion but

01:42You're not supposed to root for the teams. I kind of take the Brian approach. He told me once that

01:48You know, you don't openly root for the teams

01:50but it's fine to acknowledge that it's good for everybody when they're doing well that you see them do well because

01:56Everybody's reading what you write

01:58Everybody's happy around town. You know, I when I think of that like line everybody's happier on town

02:03I think like what it was like after the parade, you know walking around Boston

02:08You're the newspaper or the websites making money and it's all good for everybody. So that's that's kind of how I look at it

02:15I'm not a

02:17Somebody who is negative to be negative. I can be when I believe it but and I believe that's the approach to take but

02:24for the most part I just kind of follow that that that feeling that Bob always had that mindset that

02:31you know, it's it's a good thing to be able to cover this and to be around teams like this and

02:36To be able to make those memories and share them with your readers and the people in your life who are real true fans

02:42Yeah, this year obviously something to celebrate about pretty much every step of the way I get the idea of being negative to be negative

02:49Right. I mean that sells especially in Boston. I mean the Felger and math ratings when they come out every single corner

02:55It's like yep. This is just how this town loves to talk about sports. It's it's it's a it's a great years of it with them

03:03Yeah, I actually talked to Michael earlier today. Yeah about their ratings run and

03:08It validates everything they do and my colleague Dan Shaughnessy, I think

03:14would be regarded as negative mostly and a little bit cynical and maybe a lot cynical and

03:21You know, he's you look in every column. He writes shoots the number one on the globe website. So

03:27It's a it's a feature not a bug of this Boston sports market

03:31Yeah, and as the guy from the other end of the pike, you know

03:34I'm down here and the west side of Massachusetts a little bit more laid-back a little less stressful out here in terms of your coverage

03:40You know, I'm again trying to be balanced and everything

03:42I get the idea of you know, not everything is sunshine and rainbows all the time

03:45But not everything is also falling apart at the same time. It's like, you know with the Patriots

03:50You know Joe Joe Milton has a great, you know throw for a touchdown. Everybody's like always better than Drake. Hey, oh my goodness

03:56It's like oh, yeah. Oh

03:58My god, I know I didn't look I like regular art a lot. I've been following Bernard for a long time

04:03he made a lot of you know headways with

04:05Just the way the practice went the other day and obviously that gets picked up by everybody and now it's the Patriots stink

04:11Like obviously this is a rebuilding thing. It's gonna take a while, right?

04:15They're not gonna be perfect right now, but there are you know, you watch the game last I should say Thursday night

04:20There were some positives. It's all I'm saying and we can always highlight those but what's interesting is I

04:27Think like sometimes the

04:29Community or the the local angle sometimes can help shape

04:33the national angle around certain things and

04:37I mean look you've been paying attention

04:40most of this audience if not all this audience has been paying attention to

04:44how much

04:46negative press

04:47Jason Tatum collected just during the Olympics, right? I was I was legitimately blown away Chad

04:56by

04:57How much coverage?

05:00Jason Tatum got just around the Olympics and his did not play

05:06Coaches decisions. Did that like the fact that it generated new cycles?

05:11Yeah, completely floored me. Did it surprise you?

05:15I think to the degree that

05:19Constant story day after day

05:21But it was also sort of self-inflicted by Steve Kerr where he doesn't play him against Serbia the first time and

05:28You know, he says was this quote? I feel like an idiot, but he also kind of explained it was matchup based

05:34So you're left wondering

05:37When they play Serbia again, will Tatum play will he see?

05:42Like cursory minutes or will he actually will Kerr actually proved to be a hypocrite and really, you know

05:49Wasn't matchup based at all. He just didn't play in that game and as it turned out he didn't play

05:53in the

05:55game before the gold medal game against Serbia either with the big comeback and so I guess you give Kerr credit for sticking to

06:01his

06:02to his guns there, but in terms of the national

06:07Response to that it was I think it comes from two places. It was over-the-top

06:12Which is sort of the hot take

06:16First take kind of culture that we have right now where the loudest take gets them the most attention and

06:23That's also certainly true locally

06:26The other thing was was kind of shocking

06:28I mean it was a ready-made story for this because Jason Tatum was just had his coronation

06:34They won the NBA title all that talk about

06:38Can Jalen and Jason coexist where you know?

06:41Some people have written 50 columns about that or 50 blog posts or done 50 podcasts on it through the years. That's gone

06:47now they co-existed and I thought you know, I've been rewatching a lot of

06:53The Celtics playoff games, you know

06:55like the ones with great endings like Drew Steele or you know white hitting the corner three and

07:01You know we think about how Tatum struggled with three-point shooting in the playoffs and he certainly did but he had so many big shots

07:07and maybe plays along the way that

07:11It should have been no question that yes, Jason Tatum three-time first team

07:17champion now is

07:19player on team USA and it just didn't work out that way and you're not most people aren't gonna sit down and think about that and

07:26say

07:28And say well

07:29It's kind of tough to see where the minutes come from if you're if you're going with the older guys

07:34And this is their farewell tour with Curry and LeBron and Durant

07:38Well Tatum probably would have played a lot if Durant hadn't come back from his injury probably would have started

07:43He certainly wasn't gonna take LeBron's minutes

07:45And so you start what you start thinking about it logically and there weren't a lot of minutes in a 40-minute game to go

07:53To him because of the way the rest of the roster was constructed

07:58It's a shame he had two DMPs because that never should have happened and so it's

08:04picture of it

08:05Set up is the absolute perfect

08:09multi-day argument for sports talk radio and for all those shows you see in the morning on ESPN or FS 1 and I think that's

08:16why that it's

08:17White carried for so many days like it did especially because it recurred where and he did not play against

08:25against Serbia twice

08:27Yeah, and I wonder if that was communicated to him like prior to him joining the team. I think that's something where

08:33Maybe there wasn't a clear concise plan for what Tatum was gonna be

08:37yeah, and like, you know, he gets like he gets there and

08:41Like again, I can you can always make an argument for four minutes and where they should be distributed or whatever and and and and you

08:48got

08:49All timers, right? I mean LeBron Curry and Durant are all timers. I mean, they're on everybody's I mean

08:56They're all three of our top 75 guys. LeBron is either one two or three pending how you want to rank them

09:02Durant is one of the greatest if not the greatest scoring shooting for

09:05Small forward in the history of the league and Steph's the greatest shooter of all time. So like there's these guys, right?

09:10There's no shame in that but you know, if it could have been conveyed to Tatum like hey, look, this is really

09:16Their last hurrah here and we're doing everything we can to support these three guys

09:21Yeah, this is a farewell tour for them. And if that's communicated prior

09:26I think maybe we have less of this going on

09:30I think there's less of this cut like there's maybe Tatum's like yeah, you know, I knew this was you know

09:35Gonna be the case coming in. I'm here. I'm part of the stay ready group. We can throw a little something's thing in here

09:39I'm gonna be part of that stay ready group. Okay, coach. Kurt needs me. I'll be ready. He's okay. Is that what he is?

09:44Yeah, right Lamar Stevens for

09:48Sure, you know, well the Lionel Banton at one point was part of the stay ready group, you know

09:53We'll keep trading names here

09:55But I just don't think it was communicated to him

09:58I think he expected coming off the last time he played with Team USA to have a pretty big role and

10:03again, my point being is

10:05as we try and

10:07Place blame pie because that's another big thing that a lot of people to do

10:11I do think her has to own a lot of this and I think frankly Chad he was bailed out

10:16by the comeback win specifically Steph Curry

10:20LeBron James and in a little bit of Durant and a little bit and be at the end of the game a little bit

10:25I'm BD. Yeah, he was bailed out by

10:28Two and a half guys from having to answer a lot of tough questions

10:32When the the clocks finally hit zero and USA was moving on in my opinion. Yeah, no doubt

10:37I mean you could have they had a hard time

10:39I did it before they had a hard time rebounding even with him being on the court and the argument for playing in bead was

10:45He's a body on Jokic, but then you start seeing LeBron handling Jokic pretty well

10:51in the you know in the paint and and

10:54You realize that maybe and beads a little bit more of a defterment out there

11:00Even with the skills that you think you need then then you realize I mean he couldn't go get the ball and there were

11:06offensive rebounds putback second chances

11:09It was like it was like watching the Knicks and the playoffs when you know

11:13Hardenstein was seemed to get every every other offensive rebound before you know

11:17All the injuries caught up to them and that's an extremely frustrating thing

11:21It's been a flaw of the Celtics that they corrected this season

11:24But in recent years that was a flaw giving up offensive boards

11:27And I think Tatum for this team would have really helped in that regard and I also think it's kind of insulting

11:34To insinuate that all his value is as a scorer because the Celtics are champions

11:41In large part, I think it's fair to say in large part because he made the necessary sacrifice

11:47he learned to play a

11:48little bit more team basketball and the division that pops in my head is the behind the back bounce pass to Horford for the

11:55key three-pointer

11:57against the Pacers

11:59He tried to do the right thing. Sometimes he takes side step threes

12:03You don't want him to take sometimes he'll take a heat check his shooting was off

12:07but this is a complete player who understands how to play and wants to win and

12:13Has gotten over gotten past that point where?

12:18He I think he and Jalen both once thought I have to score for us to win and that's not the case anymore

12:24It's more of a trust in their teammates and so get that great growth during the playoffs during the season and

12:30It felt like he was at the absolute pinnacle

12:33Coming off these the the championship getting the max contract and then he goes to the Olympics and he's treated like the the kid who

12:41You know looked over his own shot first and second and couldn't do anything else to have help the team. That's just not true

12:47I think he could have tried to figure out

12:49We're supposed to come from for him because it is hard. It was a tough job for for

12:55Kerr, I a lot of people would say like a guard. I don't think that's it. I think didn't book a really

13:02Acclimated himself as a role player and accepted that role really well

13:06And you can't you have to validate curse decision to play him, but I think he could have taken some of those BAM minutes

13:13So I wonder if Joe Missoula was on that staff rather than Eric's posture whether maybe

13:18Tatum would have gotten those minutes with the other two centers already on the roster

13:23Maybe he just plays a little bit more for Durant or that sort of thing

13:26But if the bottom line to me is he should not have had

13:30DNPs with being a player that he is right now no matter

13:34What all of the other factors with the construction of that team and it being focused around the old guys?

13:40What it was embarrassing for him and he shouldn't have been put in that situation. I do want to get sort of back to

13:48More tating discussion, but I think what drove me nuts

13:50later on and

13:52this out and

13:54Nope, I again correct me if I'm wrong here because I didn't see every second every game

13:57I will hang up in the air. I didn't catch all of it. I caught a good amount of it, especially the ones that mattered

14:03And loved every second of it was a blast

14:05but one of the things that drove me crazy was I don't think there was a ton of time where Derek white drew holiday and

14:10Jason Tatum shared the floor at the same time. Yeah, I don't again is you when you look back at why some of these teams?

14:18They're like why is Yahoo? Selly awesome with France because he plays

14:22All the time

14:23Yeah, you're coming off an NBA season where this team just won 64 games

14:28These guys play together for a hundred games

14:31They have a ton of like and it was super evident to me and I forget the exact time and situation where this happened

14:39But there was a play where I think I think I want to say yoke it to the ball on the left baseline

14:44He's got the he's got it kind of above his head

14:47He picked up his dribble and drew holiday shot down hands up

14:50You know come at him fast to try and double him and the way the Celtics played that everybody would rotate around, right?

14:57Right, right, and nobody rotated his guy

15:00So this guy's the top with nobody on him and yoke itch

15:02Who again I keep using the Greg Popovich quote because it just is the best way to describe

15:07How good of a passer yoke itch is you have to bring the double team from where he can't see it

15:12So he just you know, he gets blindsided because you can't blindside him. The guy's amazing and he just was like, oh, yeah

15:17Okay, and sure enough three-pointer and I'm sitting here like yeah, you know if Tatum and wait run the floor at the same time

15:24they might have been able to

15:26Close that gap a little bit and that's if I have one

15:31If I did my biggest frustration

15:34After this is all over was that exact idea?

15:38We we praise all these other teams and for good reason, right?

15:41Oh, it's so great that these guys have so much synergy and chemistry and they can they just know how to

15:47Play together and we just throw this hodgepodge. I'm not saying the hodgepodge like it's like a a bad term here

15:52It's just kind of thrown together. It's a guy. Yeah, we'll throw

15:55Ron staff and we'll just take all these guys and they'll just kind of figure it out and luckily for the u.s

16:00It usually works out more often than it doesn't but those those little times you're like dad if there was a little more continuity here

16:08Plays like that wouldn't happen in it and yet

16:10We didn't see a minute of that and that Chad at the end of the day that drove me the craziest out of all of it

16:15Because I just that's something I completely don't have an answer for I don't understand why that wasn't thrown around

16:20yeah, no, that's a great point and

16:24you know, you see the connection that curry and Durant still have from their time in Golden State you see

16:31You see a guy like Jamal Murray really struggle for Canada and part of that I think is he didn't have yokich

16:38You know see the the connections that these players have built in already before they go to the Olympics

16:43It's really fascinating to see where they succeed and where they struggle without pieces that they're working with and

16:50Team USA starting lineup wasn't great defensively when you would have been beat out there who?

16:57It's not wasn't the best shape to start the tournament wasn't that interested in moving kept having communication issues with Durant

17:04We saw that in the Serbia game where they both ended up on your kitchen your kitchen ding hits a guy underneath for a layup

17:10And then, you know Curry's not a good defender Booker's defensive ability his efforts there and he dog guys up and down the court

17:18During the the tournament, which I think wore some lesser guards out

17:22But he's not doing call him an above-average

17:25Defender you could have put holiday white and Tatum out there for a short spurt and been incredibly switchable

17:31What about problems they ran into against Serbia was they they weren't getting the three-point shooters when they built that 14-point lead because

17:38they weren't rotating like you said and

17:41Guys were not used to communicating with other other guys and they're not weren't the greatest offensive players in the first place

17:47I think those three guys would have played spectacularly together

17:50And I know part of that is that you can put drew holiday with anybody on earth and it'll fit in

17:56It was funny. Just watching

17:59watching the

18:00The Olympics and you see Booker and Durant and you see LeBron and Davis and you say, you know

18:06Why the Suns just good then, you know, not a contender just a good pretty good team and why do you like or stink?

18:14They would give anything to have a Derek white or drew holiday let alone either of those guys

18:19And so we saw Derek get a little bit of run early in the term

18:22We saw drew essentially start some things with essentially their six and like their jack-of-all-trades

18:27And if you put those two guys out there with Jason Tatum

18:31I think the defense would have looked a lot like the Celtics defense this year

18:34Which is again one of the reasons they're gonna be racing a banner on opening night

18:39But I do want to get this back to Tatum specifically and sort of the coverage around of it. I can't I

18:45Again Tatum dominates new cycles by not playing which I think is a unique situation

18:50I don't think there are many guys, you know, if Edwards didn't play I think people would have figured out

18:54Well, he's kind of young, you know, whatever but he got a lot of minutes. I got a lot of playing time

18:58Nobody's making crazy

19:00Assertions, you know assertions because Tyrese Halberd didn't play. I mean he made a joke out of it

19:05It's like look I got it. I've got a gold medal to even play like this is great

19:08You know, nobody went crazy

19:09But I think it's interesting that that specific thing again dominated new cycles

19:14and I wonder if you know and the answer is probably a

19:19Multitude of things. It's probably just one thing or one thing

19:22it's probably a combination of things and I can't quite figure out if if like Tatum is that big of a lightning rod if

19:29Boston sports in general are

19:32Just because we're so passionate as fans

19:35About all of our teams that we just kind of we're loud and we're we're passionate about things

19:41So it just gets into the sphere if it's the NBA in the popularity of the NBA

19:47Being you know, look it's not the NFL. We know it's not the NFL

19:52We got that the NFL literally makes a day out of the schedule day that the NBA tried to write Thursday

19:58But like to no avail nobody really cares like it's just like how many national TV games are there the suburbs have 36, by the way

20:06It and we're gonna even talk about that cuz it's like who cares. There's like I like the Larry Bird quote

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21:53Why is Jason Tatum in?

21:56his not playing dominant in the news cycle in your opinion is because he's

22:00Because he's a top five player in the league and that's what that attention gets

22:03It's because you know, Boston people are so adamant or is it the NBA's popularity or is it a combination of all three of these?

22:10Yeah, I think it's a bunch of things

22:13Your your friend Brian Barrett just texted me actually a fan duel thing that came out today

22:18Sure, it didn't have Tatum in the top 10 players in the league

22:22So it gets engagement I think one of the

22:29Yeah, Devin boy, it's basically the guys who played well at the Olympics ahead of him

22:34And they're LeBron's in there. I mean it Booker. Yeah, it's

22:38And that plays into the fact that Celtics fans react to this stuff

22:43It gets engagement. It gets clicks. It gets impressions

22:47It becomes something where the response carries from day to day rather than just petering outs

22:55There are other factors. I mean

22:58Kendrick Perkins is probably

23:00Have has the worst takes of any NBA analyst he is a prominent gig and he's an ex Celtic

23:07So that that plays into it. I think a little bit and the biggest one is just it felt like

23:13Jim was still on everybody's minds

23:16Celtics had just won the title

23:18Felt like his culmination, but there was still a little hint of are we sure?

23:23He's the guy because Jalen got the finals MVP and the Eastern Conference MVP

23:27And so here we are a couple weeks later and this guy who we thought

23:32Elevated into the lead the elite in the NBA

23:36Who?

23:37Is unassailable now at this point all of a sudden he's I don't say being humbled

23:43but all of a sudden he's

23:44you know dealing with some taking some lumps because he's not playing when he

23:49Probably felt like it thinks fans probably felt like this was gonna be another part of that culmination the coronation for him

23:56As you know

23:58Superstar of superstars. I mean he's only guy in the team. It was first team all NBA this year

24:02It was easy to assume that

24:04you know and that he was gonna be a guy in team USA and as for all the reasons we talked about it

24:10It didn't work out that way for him

24:12so there's just so many elements to the particular story that makes it enticing to ESPN to Fox and

24:19You know to columnists looking to get a reaction from their readers even for FanDuel

24:23Who's like kind of even in this game, but still kind of just trying to generate. Yeah, and it's it's

24:29You know speaking of Barrett. I had Barrett's show on

24:33Was last week and I love weeks blend together now

24:36But I was listening it was him and Justin Termini and they kind of led with this and you know

24:40I was just curious as a guy who hosts a national radio show what his opinion was on it

24:44He was like this is crazy that

24:47Playing and it's it's like it's like this is insane that this guy can't get minutes and all the

24:52Excuses that curse comes up with this is Craig. I'm like, so this is not just like a Boston of like self-absorbed

24:58That's us. Yeah. Yeah, and that's what I really like. I love that. I texted Barrett because I was like, hey, man

25:04This was really great

25:04I just want to commend you on having a different voice other than the Boston

25:09Echosphere of like just all of us chatting and being angry about this like because we had Barrett on our show the week prior

25:14And talk about the same exact thing. It's like what's going on?

25:18It's good to know that there's like at least some level heads out there nationally that can

25:22Kind of sort their way through this and I love termini him and Eddie Johnson that do a great job. Great

25:27So fun and that shows is awesome

25:30but I was fun to hear a national perspective on that because I can I just feel like it's a lot of

25:35The same voices dominating the same space and then and again, I guess for me, you know

25:41This is maybe this is the territory that comes with being

25:45One of the premier franchises in the league with one of the best players and like this is just what's gonna come with it

25:49And maybe we all need to embrace this. Maybe Tatum needs to be like, you know what like, yeah

25:54I'm gonna be a lightning rod for everything and I mean look him and Jalen

25:58Pretty much since they've gotten here have been lightning rods for things of other discussions, right of you know

26:03As you said that can they coexist together that conversation drove me absolutely bananas for you, man

26:08It's ridiculous has always been ridiculous and like ask anybody that really knows anything about basketball

26:14It's like yeah, these two guys if you put the right team around them, they will be fine

26:17And guess what? Here we are. But maybe this is what comes with being

26:21The face League. I think so many people are trying to force certain guys down our throats

26:27Like whether it's Anthony Edwards and I love it. He's great

26:30It's a little too early for an I think but he's got a shot. We've seen a lot of examples of it being too early

26:35Yeah

26:37He's gonna be a special player it's gonna take time we need to allow him to get to that point, you know

26:43Devin Booker is another great example. He gets in the NBA Finals

26:46He's feeling great

26:47but then the only thing people remember from the NBA Finals is the alley-oop and it's

26:52Giannis dropping 50 in a game six to win like that's what we remember and

26:56He's a huge face the league yoke. It's a huge face. The league the league is way more international now than it's ever been

27:02I mean look if I'm on the Spurs

27:04I would have already signed the opposite to a contract already to be on our team for this year because the chemistry there is

27:11Obviously pretty good women Yama is the next big thing

27:15But maybe this like all this vitriol that Tatum is getting

27:20Maybe this is what comes with being the American face of basketball

27:24I mean Steph, you know people gave him a hard time until he won

27:28I mean LeBron still gets a hard time even though he's like at worst the second best player

27:35Like maybe only won four. Yeah, maybe this is what comes with the territory of like maybe

27:40Collectively we all just need to embrace this and say look like this is

27:45Because he's the top player in America

27:47This is what's gonna happen and we all need to embrace the fact that we're so lucky to have

27:52The best American basketball player playing for our local team. Maybe that's it. Am I wrong?

27:58No, not at all, I mean

28:00Certainly, you can find a positive out of it, too

28:02I mean I I read at least three columns this week excluding my own using the phrase vengeance tour

28:09That and it really does feel like that's possible at 15 of the 17 guys coming back

28:14And yeah, who knows maybe O'Shea could end up back here, too. He's still out there

28:19and

28:21The fact that they're probably going to be the most

28:24Motivated defending champion that we've seen in a long time because of all the nonsense that's come after they won whether

28:30Jalen's frustrations with Team USA basketball or all the stuff that you know Tatum had to endure

28:37by you know getting those two DNPs over there and and all the conversation around that which

28:43He acts like he doesn't hear it and he handles it really well, but he does hear it

28:48He kind of revealed that after they won when with a what are you gonna say now, is that what his phrase was?

28:55so

28:58It's like well, I don't know this guy's been getting his his ass kicked verbally for seven years

29:02I think he I think he can say a couple things

29:05Right, but you know what to I mean, it's just a little bit off the topic

29:11But you mentioned that it's been nonsense with Jalen and Jason for a long time

29:17one of the most satisfying things about sports about being a sports fan or about covering a particular team is

29:23When the guys that have been here for a while actually come through the the most satisfying thing to me about the

29:302004 Red Sox was that Pedro Martinez got a World Series here. His contract was up

29:36You didn't know if he was gonna be back. He had been through so much Yankees

29:39Yankees are my daddy and you know great leaving him in and all that and

29:44For them to for them to overcome that that was the biggest thing more than

29:48Years or anything else to me was seeing guys like him and Manny Ramirez and people like that who had been here for Derek Lowe

29:55Jason Varitek win and that was the same thing with this the Celtics did it the right way

30:00They obviously had to make some changes

30:02I think a big reason that Tatum and Jalen became more willing to share the ball was because

30:08They have a trust in Drew Holliday and Derek White that they just couldn't quite muster for Marcus smart the the ball

30:14I love Marcus

30:16He's found him in the big moments. Sometimes he came through sometimes he didn't but the ball always found him

30:22and

30:23to see those two guys with the ups and downs and the Kyrie years and the Gordon Hayward injury and

30:30IT and Kemba Walker and everything that had come in the build-up to them finally winning

30:36It doesn't get more satisfying than that and the frustration

30:40You shouldn't be having any frustration right now

30:42She enjoy that but because of weird things that have happened after the season with USA basketball and Tatum it feels like

30:51Doesn't feel like a setback, but it feels like we didn't get quite enough time to celebrate it

30:57As we should have this offseason without you know, having a little bit of controversy mixed in but ultimately that controversy might help them

31:04Do it again this year. Yeah, there's nothing I mean as

31:08Guys have been watching the Patriots for the past 20 years, you know having a chip on your shoulders

31:12They're the worst thing in the world, you know

31:15The the documentary the last dance documentary show just that Michael Jordan like you're not saying hi to him in a restaurant

31:22It was enough to give him the motivation like Brady can go through this the quarterbacks taken in front of him

31:28I like I love a Monrath st

31:29Brown for the for the Lions you can name all like 14 receivers that are drafted in front of them and

31:34Now he's a top five, you know white out in terms of monetary value in the league and like here

31:39So he's Paul Pierce always battled off the guys picked ahead of him

31:42yeah, and and still Paul still fighting battles where it's like again you weren't the way that kills me about the new generation and I

31:49like the fact that they're

31:51passionate about things and they

31:52They want to you know

31:54there's so many avenues that'll learn the game that weren't available when I was younger and certainly when a lot of people are listening this

32:00Podcast were younger but like the one thing that kills me is the lack of respect for the guys that have come previously

32:06And it's like oh, yeah, Paul Pierce wasn't wasn't any good

32:09It's like you weren't watching the game. It's like if you went back and watched the line

32:13I know he doesn't look like the most athletic guy

32:16but he still found ways to score and that's a skill and it was a

32:20unbelievable skill and and just has gotten lost with time and

32:24It's really that stuff like actually bothers me and if you know

32:28What's fun is like I went back during kovat I watched

32:32And this is gonna this is gonna drive me crazy. But my brain's got a kajillion things in it. Did they did the Celtics play?

32:39Kareem in the box in 74 76

32:4474 76 was Phoenix. All right, so I watched the 74 finals

32:49Recent not recently but like during Kobe when live sports weren't a thing and I had to find some outlet right and I remember watching

32:57Those playoffs and having just a completely different appreciation for Jojo white

33:02I'm like you could take that guy and put him in any era and he would be oh, yeah, and in his run forever

33:08Oh my goodness. Yeah, I mean like it's it's unbelievable and I'm laughing. I'm like Dave Cowan's trying his best

33:13He's like six foot eight maybe six nine, maybe and he's got a guard Kareem

33:17Who's like an absolute alien and how how every play wasn't all the Kareem?

33:21I'll never understand like I just never got it. And then you're watching Pavlicek literally never stop running ever

33:28The guy is constantly in motion. It's like Steph. Yeah

33:32Yeah, exactly over the place. It's amazing. So that stuff bothers me when you're like, oh, yeah those, you know

33:38But anyway, we got way off topic here way way way off topic quick break from today's show to tell you today's show is

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35:41I

35:42Want to get get us back to?

35:44The suffix and how they're covered nationally and locally and all that stuff because like the local angle we all know I know what it

35:49Is I look I'm on the other side of the state. I know what's going on. I got it. It does bother me

35:56But again, I get the why it's being done and everything

36:01You know again you as soon as things happen you got everybody kind of talking everybody that things are coming out and you know

36:06You hear from Bob Cousy, which is always my favorite thing because you know, Bob's always gonna have an opinion about something

36:12Saying that there's like a Celtics bias around the league and that's what curves going through

36:19You you've been chatting with people throughout your time whether it's broadcasters players coaches, etc

36:25Do you think there's a Boston Celtics bias on there?

36:27I actually don't see there was three guys

36:31No, no, no, no, I mean

36:34Kuz is great. And one of the things I admire about him is he's still right on top of the current NBA for 96 years old

36:40I was I was like that about Tommy to like Heinsohn was obviously from a different generation from a couple different generations

36:48He coached at 74 and 76 team we were talking about

36:51to titles and he was a player and the player rep and a broadcaster and all these things but

36:57He had a great appreciation for the current players. He might bitch about the three-point line or something like that or

37:03Complain that they're not, you know running as much as he wants to run run Walter run, but

37:10he he had great respect for

37:14The skill set that Jason Tatum had or Steph Curry shooting ability or whatever it is

37:19and I admire that from the older guys from the other generation because

37:25The people I hear from often from that same generation are their emails will start I grew up with Bill Russell

37:32Heinsohn and koozie and

37:34Jason Tatum doesn't play defense and he does a rebound and all he wants to do is shoot threes

37:38I'm just like you're not watching the games

37:40You're listening to sports radio and you're listening to what Felger and Maz are telling you about Jalen and Jason and you're regurgitating

37:48it to me because it jibes with what you want people about the current NBA game because

37:54Not a young anymore and it's not the game you grew up with and it's different and so it can't be as good and man

38:00I grew up in the bird era

38:02Okay, I love bird and McHale and chief and Dennis Johnson's probably my favorite non Larry player of all time

38:09But I can recognize that so much about the game now is better

38:13You watch your you watch like a highlight reel

38:16I'd like I was watching Magic Johnson highlights the other night because it was the 65th birthday the other day

38:21I still think he's the best passer of all time him and Larry right up there, but

38:25The defense wasn't as good as it is. Now. The players are nowhere near as physical as they are now and they talk about the

38:31game like from

38:3435 years ago as like everybody was a bad boy Pistons beating the crap out of each other

38:39It's just not true

38:40They tried to play defense

38:42but it just the players weren't as athletic or as fit or as well-rounded as they are now and that's the truth and a lot of

38:49Fans from a different generation have a hard time

38:54Recognizing that and that is

38:56Amplified by sports radio telling you there's always a problem with something this Jalen and Jason don't get along or these guys don't want to pass

39:04or whatever it happens to be and so those things it's kind of a cycle and

39:09It's a frustrating one because if you can just step back and look at what your eyes are telling you

39:14These guys bust their ass they play the right way they just won the championship by playing selfish unselfish

39:20team basketball and coming through again and again and again and it's a great product and I kind of

39:27Feel bad for people from a different generation who don't appreciate it

39:31But I'm also kind of like, you know the hell with them. They don't know what they're missing

39:35Yeah a couple more things before we get out of here Chad and one of the things I kind of referenced it earlier about

39:40Celtics they're nationally televised games and you know, here we are in the middle of August. We're talking about Jason Tatum and talking about

39:48You know, it's it's not in the horizon for a while and you know

39:52The C's have a ton there the what the fourth most national television games be subbed in the Lakers

39:58The Warriors the Warriors have a bunch. Yeah for it's just it's the step show and honestly, I get it

40:05I get it. Totally on ankle. So yeah, I know it's gonna be the Pazemsky show

40:11I love be pods. He's great

40:15Moses Moody and Jonathan Kuminga and you know the rest of that team. I'm you know, look I'm ready

40:21The C's obviously, you know

40:23Very well represented nationally in terms of you know, seeing the product on television and again

40:28It's nice to be the champs for sure. But you know with everything being said I it just feels like to me that

40:34Adam Silver must love the fact that the Celtics are relevant because again here

40:38We are in August when things aren't supposed to be going on and supposed to be football football football football football

40:43And yet here we are dominating new cycles

40:46Talk about basketball. We're talking about the NBA. We're talking about all this stuff

40:49How much do you think Adam Silver loves the fact that Celtics are super relevant right now?

40:54Adam Silver loves the fact that the Celtics are super relevant

40:58That LeBron and Anthony Davis are on the Lakers so you can still put them on TV even though they're mediocre as a team and

41:05that the New York Knicks suddenly are

41:08Relevant with their Villanova alumni squad

41:12it doesn't get much better than that for the NBA just in terms of

41:17viewership markets, you know, New York being number one la number two, but also

41:22history tradition

41:24dedicated fan bases

41:25The league is in a great spot with that sort of stuff right now and you look at the teams that

41:31You know consider themselves serious contenders

41:34I think the league was really happy Wemby ended up with the Spurs which is a team that it's not the biggest market

41:39but it's one with a great basketball history and

41:43The you know the league if you're not gonna end up in the bigger markets

41:47They certainly like their their best young players to end up in cities with a tradition

41:52so I

41:54Think if you ask that I'm sober right now, he's got a lot of things he's dealing with

41:58The TNT situation with Amazon is a headache

42:02You know few other things, but I think if he asked him about just specifically the state of interest in the NBA

42:09He would be pretty thrilled with everything

42:11Yeah, we're just missing the Bulls really if you want to talk about the only things are missing Chicago being Zach Levine's not gonna elevate him

42:18Huh? Yeah, I don't know. It's good

42:20It's tough and but we look we can't win them all you got to have somebody's got to lose and

42:25Unfortunately, the Bulls have been doing a lot of that recently and I don't think it's gonna turn around anytime soon, unfortunately

42:31Last thing because I think this is interesting point

42:37Between all of the the four major teams in Boston

42:40we have the the Bruins who are trying to figure out what the next step for them is you have the Red Sox who I

42:46Mean I could go on for an hour about

42:50Have a problem with what they're doing

42:52But they're in a state of flux

42:54Obviously, they're not sure what to do

42:56they're cutting costs if they're if they're gonna invest in the future if the big three down and now and now and I think

43:03They're up in triple-a now if they're gonna be coming anytime, whatever like there's a lot going on there. The Patriots are young

43:09You know Drake may obviously that 55-yard bomb Thursday night. That was just just off the fingertips

43:15Well out of the grasp of Javon Baker heck of a throw. Yeah. Oh my god

43:23No, I know you I can't tell if it if may looks really good just

43:28Athletically or it's just the Mac Jones effect still

43:32By comparison everybody's gonna look great. I think may looks I think it's great reason to be enthusiastic about him

43:38No, absolutely. I was I was thrilled with the gun second preseason game, but it it seems like to me

43:45Celtics are the king

43:48quote-unquote of the city in terms of just from a

43:52recognition standpoint from a talking standpoint in your opinion

43:57How long can this last can they can they hold on to it?

44:01Is this gonna be like, you know, Larry Bird and you know

44:04The big three and the 80s of the Celtics that this is this is the team of Boston for an era

44:10Or is this gonna be just a flash in the pan once football becomes way more relevant?

44:14They're gonna be next year's, you know, whatever

44:17yeah, it's I don't know if you should ban the term second apron on your on your podcast, but

44:25Might want to I I'm a little

44:29Not down, but I'm a little skeptical that they're gonna be able to keep this, you know

44:36900 million dollar roster whatever it is together for the long term once those

44:41Penalties start to hit after next season with the team being for sale and you know

44:50Some

44:51People getting involved with that probably that you might not want them to be involved with owning a team you care about

44:56I think it I think we're gonna have probably hear some names that make you say good lord

45:01I hope that guy doesn't buy the team. I hope that conglomerate doesn't buy the team but for the short term and that

45:09Is next season and maybe this season after and then we'll see beyond that they're loaded and if they stay healthy and

45:16Chris steps comes back and is ready to go whenever that time comes

45:21January maybe

45:23they should be in a position to make another run at it and

45:27They know so much more now than they did going into this season. They know

45:32How drew holiday fits with them?

45:34They know the roles of their bench players and what they can do jump is always grown exponentially as a coach in his two years

45:42I think you can afford to be cautious during the regular season now Joe wants to win by 50 every night, but

45:50Their nights, I think well you'll rest holiday

45:52He's 34 years old now and maybe give Tatum more of a breather than he wants and just make sure that you

45:57when it comes time to defend that title in the playoffs that

46:01You're a maximum health and Mac ready to go so

46:05but they're in a absolute enviable spot this year and probably next year too and then you know

46:11We'll see how things shake out in terms of being able to pay everybody

46:15Yeah

46:15I think the only thing that's gonna derail this team from being just the talk of the town for a decade as Drake may

46:21Possibly be in just the next best guy

46:23But you know

46:23I think we got a little while so they it drives me crazy about the Drake may experience already is the amount of people that

46:29Just want to speed everything up and get this like to it's like no no no no no no no no no

46:34No, this is a this is an investment at number three overall this week the team better get this right

46:39This is a huge like look at the Trey Lance

46:42Trey Lance shot never had a shot and that's not his fault

46:45You know it's it's you know the San Francisco falls in love with them

46:49Then he ends up in Dallas and isn't on anything and the one thing I'll say and I thought about this today

46:53I was listening to Barrett

46:56Driving my car to go pick up a couple of errands and

47:00one of the things that's driving me nuts is is certain people who are quick to

47:05Clown the Patriots for trying to protect Drake may for as long as they can

47:10Yeah, and they're like well. This is clearly the Packer way. I'm like okay. I'm

47:1434 years old the Packers have had three quarterbacks in my life

47:20That's something to envy guys. That's probably a good idea the Packer way isn't a bad idea

47:25And everybody that wants to clown you know Mayo and Alex van Pelt for

47:32Doing something different like I love Michael Lombardi. I look I do I subscribe to a lot of what he says, but like his

47:39Railing of how the Patriots are handling Drake may and I'm like look like you're not in the building

47:45And he like you're not in the building anymore right let him let him figure this out

47:49It's not look we all know Belichick's the greatest. I think I I love watching his teams

47:56But it was time for someone new

47:58Let's let's give this a shot, and it's we're not even in the regular season, and it's like already a mess. It's like

48:04Relax, so you know I?

48:07Just don't get it. I in and maybe I'm just way more patient and everybody else is it, but it's like I as someone who?

48:15Would like this to be the last quarterback. I have to root for for a while like I just want to watch Drake

48:20Grow and develop it

48:22It's okay if he's not taking a kajillion snaps

48:25It's totally fine as yeah you if you look at the product look at his feet his footwork looks great looked awesome like

48:32Baby steps, it's okay. You know Rome wasn't built in a day

48:35It just yeah drafting third overall doesn't mean he's gonna save your franchise the first days here

48:41Well, it's been kind of absurd with him already in terms of the media reaction around here where you went from preseason game one

48:47Are we sure Joe Milton's not better Joe Milton throws the screen passes at 95 miles an hour

48:53That's why he's not gonna be the the guy

48:56Probably ever

48:58You know they drafted him to trade him for a fourth round pick down the road

49:02And now you know may play as well last night made some throws

49:06We haven't seen around here in a while and all of a sudden you got to play him over bursette

49:11You know there's been these wild swings already, but I think it comes down to media wise

49:18Okay Felger told me this

49:21Yeah

49:22Talking to him you know for something about the sports hubs 15th anniversary

49:26Just kind of said offhanded and we need the Patriots to be good again, and it's true because they

49:34NFL is just

49:36The attention I felt that's is multiples over their league you look at the TV ratings look at Super Bowl

49:43115 million people watching it and more than that compared to like what the NBA Finals or something like that gets

49:49it's just no contest and

49:52I think these people

49:54In sports radio and to a lesser degree doing you know what I do what you do

49:59Recognize it's a huge benefit to us if Drake may is good and the Patriots accelerate this

50:05You know this return to

50:07NFL relevance because they're not they they're not gonna be very good this year

50:10And I actually kind of admire trading Matthew Judon and having a first year

50:15You know call Elliot Wolfe the de facto GM having one record having him recognize that

50:21This team is what it is. It's not going to be very good, and so we're gonna build for the future

50:26that's a pretty mature approach to team building from a

50:30guy who's in the job for the first time, but

50:33it behooves all of us for

50:36This team to get back to being relevant in the NFL landscape again, and so I think we're gonna hear a lot more

50:42Drake may has to play Drake may has to play, and you know Mayo kind of left that door open this morning

50:48Friday morning to that you know that job isn't settled yet, so that's only gonna play into it more

50:54Yeah, thanks. Thank you Gerard for stoking the fire

50:58Hey media guy right yeah

51:01Slants alumni there you go look. It's a it's a long list of quick slants alumni

51:07but

51:08That being said still looks right now still the Kings of Boston and probably will be at least for for one more season

51:14And you know look we'll see how this goes the rest of the way. That's the Boston Globes Chad Finn Chad

51:19Thank you so much for joining the program here this afternoon

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