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00:06What's up, everyone? Welcome in new addition to Celtics beat and well if if this were I guess like it

00:13I don't know if anyone watched the the show friends back when that was on for a decade pretty popular

00:18I think you've heard of it. They used to organize all of their shows

00:21They used to self, you know

00:23individually title each episode and be like the one where this the one where the everyone was the one where

00:29So if we did that here on this show

00:31This would be the one where the Celtics are still better than the Knicks and the Timberwolves

00:35So we're gonna talk about a trade involving Carl Anthony Towns and Julius Randall Dante DiVincenzo as well

00:42A lot of good stuff, but hey media day. It's behind us training camp

00:46It is underway a trip to Dubai right around the corner

00:49I have no idea if our guest here Adam Hilsbach is making that trip

00:54But I do know that he went to Paris for the Olympics

00:56So he's a world traveler as it is Adam. Welcome in bud. How are you? Good, man? So I am going and

01:02Goodbye, it's Abu Dhabi two different places

01:05Is it?

01:07They're a hundred miles apart. Oh, that's pretty close. Yeah

01:11It wasn't like yeah, so that's three continents over at him

01:14Yeah, you're in the same you're in the right vicinity, but yeah, I'll be my first time there. I'm flying out on Monday

01:21Nice

01:23This I just paid I just paid a hundred ninety dollars of my own money not not to get reimbursed to ensure

01:30It's a 14-hour flight. It was $190 to ensure that the seat next to me will be empty

01:37Money well spent money well spent. Absolutely

01:41Corrected me on this on the location of these games until now. How long have I been saying Dubai?

01:46It's it takes a real journalist to come on and be like as a matter of fact, I mean look a hundred miles significant

01:53I could I could leave this state in a hundred miles easily

01:56See, yeah, it's Abu Dhabi, which has been described to me as Dubai's

02:00I guess the more Las Vegas II won Abu Dhabi is a little more low-key

02:04It's how people have said it but I have no idea. Is it like the for for Hawaii people?

02:09Is it like the kawaii as compared to you know, Maui something like that? I don't know. I don't know any Hawaii cops

02:15So it's a little more chill, we're just try I thought we were just naming extravagant places. All right

02:21It's great to have you here with us. We do need to talk about that trade that you know, I think

02:26Sort of shook the the NBA world here in the offseason a little bit. It's an interesting trade for both teams

02:32I'm a little bit conflicted in terms of how I feel about it and with regard to you know

02:37How much it really necessarily helped either team so definitely want both of your perspectives on that

02:43I know there were a lot of opinions on social media a lot of I

02:47don't know kind of

02:50It feels strong to say heartbroken Knicks fans

02:53But there were there were a lot of Knicks fans on social media that were in their feelings after this trade

02:57I think sorry to see Julius Randle go as

03:01Someone that helped put them where they are even if he is not the star of the show anymore

03:07So all of those things like I said on the way, but let's let's get into you know

03:12You've been writing for anyone that hasn't seen Adams articles of late

03:16Obviously, you know subscribe to you know

03:18Get behind the paywall there in the Boston Globe or read him in the actual newspaper or you know

03:22Check out people aggregating him on social media do whatever you want to do. But either way, he's been out there

03:27He's been busy. He's been writing about Jalen Browns offseason

03:31Baylor Shireman, of course the one of the newest members of the Celtics media camp or I should say media day

03:37Takeaways and and I think sort of the biggest takeaway is something that you and I we were texting about before the show

03:43which is just that

03:46There there's not a lot it's it's sort of it's an unusual time to be covering the Celtics compared to past years

03:53Because there was always that hurdle always that you know, how do we get to?

03:59step X, you know climb over hump Y whatever you want to call it and

04:04Now they've they've done it they've reached the promised land

04:07They have achieved all of all of their dreams as a franchise and now it's okay reset

04:12how do we do it again all the while obviously you have some of the stuff in the background the looming ownership sale the

04:20You know porzingis injury and when is he going to be back?

04:23players looking for

04:25Motivation from different things that happened in their offseason that we've spent so much time on this show talking about

04:31What were your big takeaways from talking to these guys during the annual I'm in the best shape of my life day

04:37it's it's

04:39Added 10 pounds of muscle season. That's it. That's what it up, you know and Baylor Shireman actually said it

04:45I remember turning to some of the writers. I'm like am I gonna do the

04:48Put on 10 pounds of muscle story. I think I have to it's like I used to cover the NFL

04:54That was always the thing too. Oh, yeah

04:5630 pounds of muscle. I'm like your season ended like three months ago. Like what it where is there's 30 pounds of muscle

05:02Just instantly appearing from

05:05But yeah, I know it's like you said it's but it's very

05:08Calm, there's no and the angst is obviously gone

05:12There's no how are we gonna do this? What went wrong?

05:16But really the biggest difference at this start of the year is there's no change. It's just all the same players

05:21It's all the same people like the Celtics have been good. Basically really good for basically a decade

05:27give or take

05:28But almost every year there's been like a significant

05:31change

05:32Whether it be good our true holiday. I'm presenting us last year to Joe Missoula becoming coach the year before that

05:38You know, then you go back to like whatever

05:41You can go down the list Al Horford arrives Kyra Irving Oh arrives

05:46Gordon Hayward arrived, you know one one year after now these big top three draft pips arrived

05:51This is just like the same group that was just completed just completed one of the most dominant seasons in NBA history

05:57With the same coach the same players and they're just gonna go do it again. Basically is their plan

06:02So so they're as far as storylines, there's not much right now

06:05But if you're a Celtics fan, you don't care because you have a team that's favored to win another NBA championship

06:10Yeah, it's it's interesting to me to look at some of the quotes that are coming out about you know, what's different

06:17Even though there's again all the same crew here. How is Joe different?

06:20You know, how is how different our practices and everything? And that's one of the things where I

06:26Think this is difficult for a lot of people

06:28But especially for a guy in Joe Missoula who's in his 30 years a head coach like okay

06:32Now you've won the NBA championship. Now you got to find a different way to motivate these guys, right?

06:37Engaged and I think some of the quotes that are coming out, you know, Lonnie Walker is a little different in terms of that story

06:43He's he's I've never seen I've never met anybody like Joe Missoula, you know

06:46I tried to ask him if he's gonna see a box and one of the boxing fights that it's coming up and he said

06:51I don't like pillow fights or whatever. He just said like it was a great quote. So, you know in in where you're sitting Adam, how

06:59How are how are people trying to make things different and trying to keep this crew together?

07:04How are people trying to make things different and trying to keep this crew from getting complacent because

07:10Sometimes when you've risen to the mountaintop and you've accomplished the hardest thing you've needed to accomplish in your career

07:16Sometimes it's like alright, maybe you know, you take a step back and you and you ease up a little bit

07:21How are that? How is everybody trying to keep that competition that fiery feeling going?

07:26Yeah, I think that kind of remains to be seen

07:28But one thing that has become very clear this week, and this is really a Joe Missoula directive

07:35And you hear talking to players you're talking to him

07:38Impressed arms even off to the side and we're just kind of

07:41Yes in with them a little bit

07:43They are they're not all in on this idea of defending a title and repeating as champions

07:48They want to separate from that completely

07:50This is a new season and a new team and their goal is to win a championship

07:54And they don't want to relate it at all to last year and the challenges of doing it again

07:58And no one's done it since the Warriors

08:00They're trying to block that out completely and they've made that very clear these first few days. I'm not sure

08:07Necessarily the primary reason behind it. Maybe it's just like an extra distraction

08:11You know Joe is a big narrative guy. It sets this narrative of oh, can they be the first can they do this?

08:17We're like no, we're just here to win a championship this year. We're not worried about what happened in the past

08:21Here to win a championship this year. We're not worried about what happened in the past

08:24But that's that's been the biggest take

08:27So far from me

08:28Do you think I mean obviously like the person i'm going to mention?

08:33not the first person by any means in sports coaching history to think this way, but you know for

08:3920 years that was very much a bill belichick ism

08:42You know one role does one year does not roll over in into the next it every year

08:48Is its own entity and you reset and you restart the clock and all of that stuff and you know, obviously

08:54Missoula being a a rhode islander and a new england local i'm sure you know

08:59At least to some degree a patriots fan maybe even a die-hard one

09:01I have no idea but someone that you know has has spent time down there

09:04You know probably got to know bill on some level before his exodus

09:08Uh, do you think it comes from that a little bit and and just sort of the way the patriots carried themselves?

09:14Uh, it's possible. I don't I don't get that sense though

09:17um

09:18to me, it feels like joe is always very aware of

09:21finding any little thing that could

09:23cause added pressure or added distraction

09:26And if there's if a player feels a little ounce of extra pressure to try to do it again

09:31He doesn't want them to feel that

09:33he wants them to feel like they're here to

09:35Be a really good basketball team together and try to win championship together not think about

09:40Becoming the first teams with the warriors to win two in a row

09:43Not thinking about oh, why don't you know, why aren't you doing this that you did last year?

09:46So well, what's what's going on?

09:48He wants this to be a standalone season

09:50And I think that's going to be joe is a big you've seen he's a big themes guy. There's things he hits

09:55Uh throughout a season. It feels like that's going to be a common theme, especially early

09:58He's going to be asked, you know, whatever national media will come in

10:01It's going to be like obviously they didn't have any like losing streaks last year when they do. Oh, you know, what?

10:08How's this compared to?

10:10When you guys made the run past the mavericks, oh, how's this and he's gonna shut that down at some point

10:14He'll shut down cops the last year. I think pretty quickly

10:20Something that evan i've you know what we've been talking on the show

10:23Obviously it's a lot of like summer filler right leading up to the season or even leading up to this point quite frankly

10:29Where the guys are back and talking again, and there were a lot of things that you know, especially olympic driven or you know

10:36Tatum not winning finals mvp

10:38Which you know, he's been pretty vocal recently about wanting to win one of those at some point and being

10:43Uh fairly certain that he's going to there's no lack of confidence and bravado there and and that's fine

10:48There's no criticism of that

10:50Uh, but you know, we've been talking a lot about the all right

10:53Well, you know this quest to win again, and I you know, we can say it joe. Sorry

10:59For you in your mind other than injury because injury is unpredictable

11:03What does trip them up what is something that as you look around the rest of the league and the celtics coming off of

11:10What was truly in many ways?

11:12An historic year. I mean just absolutely demolished the league regular season steamrolled in the playoffs

11:19I mean there were you know, yeah, like the the pacers series was competitive game to game

11:24But it was still a sweep like the the celtics were never really

11:28Pushed last year in the way that obviously

11:32Past celtics teams have been past champions have been so what this year is the thing

11:38That makes them stumble a little if anything

11:41Yeah, I mean obviously you mentioned injuries. That's the most obvious one. But aside from that, uh, I think it would be

11:50The rest of the league existing kind of like I know celtics fans don't want to hear this but there were other

11:56Teams that were hardly at full strength and teams have gotten better this summer

12:00Um, so this didn't really have a big need to get a lot better

12:03But other teams did and I feel like they got better

12:06So there could be new challenges there

12:08And then within their roster

12:11There's there's not many weak spots, but you could say like hey, what if this is the year al horford finally gets old

12:16You know, what if what if this is where it shows?

12:19um

12:21You know, whatever drew holidays

12:22gonna be 35 this year

12:24What if what if drew takes a step back like this is no longer the team for all those years

12:28Oh, they're so young. They're up and coming like they're starting to at least get toward that

12:33You know some of the guys, you know, derrick white's 30 like they're still they're still young

12:36But it's a different phase where it's possible. I would say there's a world

12:40Um where that would start creeping in a little bit. I don't see that happening

12:43But if you're trying to identify things that would be one

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14:21speaking of health, uh, one of the biggest

14:24Things to come out of media day was the health surrounding chris dafts borzingas

14:28Uh, there seems to be a little bit of optimism surrounding his return

14:33To the celtics. I mean, I think a lot of us

14:36Originally were looking, you know, 2025 probably january february somewhere in there for him to get ramped up, you know to to

14:44Normal playing time and and you know getting him back into playing shape so to speak

14:48uh, brad spoke earlier and said that it's possible that he's

14:53Coming back earlier than that and his his progress has been pretty

14:56you know, uh, I would say

14:58Uh either at schedule or slightly ahead of schedule. Have you been able to uncover anything more about

15:04His timeline and when they expect him back

15:07Yeah, i'm sure you guys have noticed over the years. The celtics are not big timeline people

15:12They hate putting them out because then once

15:14A guy doesn't reach it. It's like oh setback

15:17They're like no, so they either don't do timelines or they do big timelines

15:21And it looks like they came back earlier than they really did when they in their head

15:25They knew that was the long end of a timeline

15:27Um, so that's what it kind of sounds like is happening here

15:31He's doing well, like you said he's already started contact workouts. He's on the court again

15:36But there's really no rush, right? Like they're going to be one of the top three seeds in the east

15:42If he probably doesn't play a game this year if we're being honest, uh

15:47They want like anything else like they're going to be careful with al again

15:50I'm sure al's not playing back-to-backs. I bet his minutes are down even a bit from last year

15:54But they feel good about the other guys they have like

15:57You know, they feel good about xavier tillman luke cornett the maya skater

16:01Like they have other guys that they're eager to see

16:04What they can bring?

16:06And also eager to get them valued opportunities because again, you never know when you might need them

16:11You know who knows when you need xavier to hit a big three in a finals game

16:14Then you bring christophe's back

16:16Whenever he's ready, like if he's let's let's say he's ready december 15th

16:20Like let's say he's totally ready. My guess is he comes back like two weeks after that

16:24Uh, just to err on the major side of caution

16:27Well, and and to that end like i've been saying I mean ev i've been saying on this show for three months or two months

16:32Whatever it's been that you know

16:34We've known porzingis was going to miss considerable time

16:36Don't be at all surprised if you don't see this guy until 2025 just because to your point, you know, what's the rush?

16:43What's the need you know the the playoffs are the focus they're not going to care about their seed or anything like that

16:49They've been there. They know what it takes. This group is capable of accomplishing it, you know health in april matters and beyond obviously prior to that

16:57You figure it out you get through so if porzingis as you know, you alluded to is let's say

17:04Ready on the earlier end

17:06Obviously, nobody's going to be pushing him back. It might even be the opposite

17:10It might be so conservative that it's like why don't you you know sort of take your time?

17:14But for him and the way he's wired is he going to be itching to get back out is is you know

17:19Is is he going to be someone that's like, you know, if is he going to be pushing for december one?

17:24Let's say when the organization be perfectly comfortable with christmas

17:28The answer to that is yeah

17:30Did you see the finals last year?

17:31Like the only reason he played in that game five is because he basically was like i'm playing tonight

17:36And then once it was determined you can't make things worse. That was the finals. I mean, this is the regular season

17:41No, I understand but he was like hurt then like he hadn't had surgery yet. He was injured. He was in pain

17:48Like that's not the case now. Um

17:52So that's like that's his mindset he wants to be on the court he said he said it doesn't mean today

17:56you know i'm

17:58Not going to quote him directly, but it was along the lines of yeah, if it's up to me

18:00I'd be out there like really soon

18:03But he also understands the situation

18:05It's not a situation where he's gonna like

18:07You know push back or make a make a stink about it

18:11but of course

18:12Like the second he they say are you just about ready? He's going to want to be out on the court

18:17The other part of it is like like look, this is a guy a lot of them have been fluky and

18:22Uh bad happenstance, but he's had a lot of injuries during his career

18:25So you you you kind of delay that, you know, bring him back whatever january

18:30in a weird way you're kind of

18:32Keeping him sit preserving him a little longer essentially for what like you said for what really matters

18:38Kaufman, I don't know I and

18:41Maybe this is our fault, you know, because we've had so much time to talk about all that

18:44Like you mentioned earlier. It's the summer. We just started like filler, you know what I mean?

18:48Doing a lot of filler for the past couple of months

18:51did we make a big enough deal about

18:53Porzingis's

18:55Ability to play through some significant pain and like really contribute in game five because like you think about I mean we did it

19:01We did at the time for sure. I don't know

19:04I don't know if there's been a summer celebration of

19:07Well, like so like we still talk about the bloody sock game like it happened, you know yesterday that was literally, you know, uh

19:1320 years ago, you know you have

19:15Like one of my favorite storylines like logan mankin's played on a torn acl like all year right for the page

19:21right

19:22Where does he rank in this like it just popped in my head?

19:25Like where does he rank in this pantheon of boston athletes that have sacrificed legitimate pain and suffering?

19:31to to just for the greater good and win a title here, I don't know if we've

19:35Dedicated like feel feel free to disagree obviously, but to me

19:40And I said this at the time

19:41The celtics beat the mavericks with or without porzingis

19:45So I don't think it's it's you know, we're not anywhere close to like the bloody sock level or anything like that

19:51you know, but

19:53at the same time I will readily admit that

19:57When he returned that first game in that first quarter just as a tone setter

20:02and the importance of that moment and

20:05You know the energy in the building and all of that like yeah, that was incredibly significant

20:09I mean that you know, you could say it further pushed things in the celtics direction. Absolutely

20:14But even if it never happened, I think we're still talking about, you know banner 18 in the rear view

20:20I think that's I think that's a good point. It's to me the bigger

20:24return is coming back from the calf strain more than

20:27Uh after the ankle for a game but that was

20:30Like I said set the tone for the series the energy

20:34Like the energy when he got out onto the court was insane

20:36And then he was like, oh, what are you gonna get from him?

20:38And he just dominated the game like just took over

20:41And you're like, okay, these guys are gonna be fine

20:44Yeah, I started seeing somebody reposted a video of

20:48him coming out of the tunnel recently that game game one and how just

20:52Like the the boom that happened when he because the will is real

20:55yeah, it's people like it felt like a wrestling like in

20:59Lou like, you know, obviously topically with the mcmahon documentary coming out

21:02it felt like a

21:03a wrestling moment where like the guys coming out from the back and like the rock or stone cold like

21:08Hits the the titan tron right at the beginning and the whole you have that boom where everybody goes nuts

21:13Like the the footage they're going for that's what they were going for. Yeah. Yeah

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23:27so as far as like you mentioned before himmelsbach the uh,

23:32you know like what potentially trips up the celtics or or what gets in their way of of

23:36You know, we get to get used to saying banner 19 now

23:40The existence of the rest of the league and what other teams have done to try and get on the celtics level or get closer

23:46Narrow the gap, whatever it may be

23:48obviously the knicks who I have

23:51The utmost respect for I mean I I thought

23:54that a celtics knicks

23:56Playoff series last year would have been incredible had we gotten it and you know

24:00Indiana was able to squeak it out obviously and and knock off the knicks

24:04But that I was as injury ravaged as new york was at the time

24:08I still thought I mean boston was going to win in my mind, but I still thought you'd get a fight

24:13You'd get a series, you know brunson and and the way those guys are wired and they're they're mentally tough and physically

24:18They'll bang you around and all of that

24:20They've mixed it up a little bit here now randall. Obviously one of those guys that was not healthy at the time

24:26He's out of the picture. You have carl. Anthony towns come in. I I think this is really interesting

24:31My my initial blush of this trade and dante divincenzo

24:36Is you know, some people are saying well, it's a sell high moment, you know on on him

24:40Maybe I mean, I think he's a really solid player

24:42I had even put a poll out on twitter just for funsies

24:45Like if you're a celtics fan, you could have any one of the three guys that were involved in that trade

24:49Who would you be and it sort of restored my faith in humanity that people didn't just

24:54Immediately flock to the name it like the the leading vote getter was divincenzo

25:00Not towns not randall and I just thought that was awesome because I wholeheartedly agree with it

25:04Which is why I put the poll out

25:05I wanted to see if if people were on the same wavelength the same page as me with that but

25:11my my initial blush and I want both of your opinions of that trade was

25:17I felt like it was the knicks admitting that randall's not a good fit there

25:20I felt like it was the timberwolves admitting that

25:24As far as what towns gives you you've you've hit a ceiling and that he and edwards aren't a perfect match

25:31And we're just going to try something different and maybe it is win-win. Maybe it doesn't make either team exponentially better

25:39Seems like the social media reaction was very pro. This is awesome for the timberwolves

25:44Uh, what uh, what adam obviously starting with you?

25:47I mean, how did you see it? And where does it take us in terms of teams that are trying to compete with boston?

25:54So the some social media reaction is awesome from the timberwolves

25:57like a lot of those I feel like are self-expanse like whenever it's the

26:01The team that's like you're rivaling your division the first reaction. Oh, that was a horrible day for them

26:06Like if you're going social i'll actually like it for the next I think it's a good move

26:10You know who knows right like who knows how it's always going to shake out but to add a seven footer

26:16Who shoots above 40 from three?

26:19Can space the floor for jaylen brunson?

26:22Um, you know when mitchell robinson comes back from his injury

26:25Can play alongside him?

26:27at four

26:29I like the move like I think

26:31You know people like oh, you know divincenzo and randall like like said randall was kind of a clunky fit

26:35They were probably gonna be trading him somewhere

26:37Was there a deal really anywhere where you're gonna get a player back who's better than carl towns? Probably not

26:43um, and I always I always make this comp when like

26:47when there's like a two for one deal like

26:49I don't know if you guys collected baseball cards when you're a kid, but like whenever he

26:52You're trading with your buddy. I'll give you these three guys for your one guy three three. I'm giving you three cards

26:59Yeah deal deal

27:00like

27:01Like that's all well and good

27:03but like all

27:04Deuce those minutes go somewhere. So like is the gap from dante divincenzo to like deuce mcbride so massive

27:11Now deuce mcbride just gets some more minutes. Okay, we've upgraded julius randall to carl towns

27:15Maybe downgrade a little bit here. I think the ultimate upgrade

27:18Is worth it for the next we'll see like nobody knows but I think it's a smart trade

27:23It's something that they you know, they're trying something different. Um, again, you know randall

27:29Is a weird fit kind of with that team and it's kind of been

27:33One of the off-season things that we've poked at right if you're you know trying to create content

27:38It's like okay. What do you do with randall here? You know, this is a team that doesn't look like he fits into with og

27:44uh with again the nova nicks, uh with with brunson and

27:48um

27:49With with bridges and and it just doesn't make a lot of sense as you come off the bench like what happens here

27:54So randall gets to go somewhere. Um where you know, he'll probably come off the bench. Maybe I don't know

27:59I I think it's great for minnesota because I think

28:02By losing carl towns that means more naz read and I think that's really great for the timberwolves

28:07I really think they should be playing that street more anyway

28:10So I think they're going to stumble into that which is great

28:12But it doesn't really affect the celtics that much unless they meet in the finals

28:16Meanwhile the knicks like again, I get the idea of it. This has been sort of an idea

28:20It's been kicked around for a while because of leon rose connection here and worldwide west and just the connection

28:25They have with all the kentucky guys

28:28That are around the nba whether it be devon booker or you know, name your favorite kentucky player

28:32It seems like a lot of them have been tied to the knicks at some point

28:35And so they go out and get carl anthony towns now

28:39I'm curious to see what he looks like with brunson

28:43um

28:44And with a robinson behind him very similar to gobert that can clean up a lot of the junk

28:49Um, he can certainly space the floor. I just don't think carl anthony towns is a particularly smart player

28:54Um, especially when it comes to his foul habits like he fouls all the time

28:59And sometimes in games you can just kind of see him disengage and I don't think the knicks

29:04Are in the knicks fans are are happy with guys that do that

29:08I mean julius randall did that all the time and and he got the knicks fans got on him for that now

29:13You know randall was able to kind of clean up his image. We'll see if towns can do that. That's a huge salary number

29:18with towns

29:19Um, i'm not the biggest cat guy i'm gonna be totally honest with you

29:22I can see the idea of bringing him in get him in a new situation new environment. Maybe it brings something out of him

29:28Um, but I I I don't think as a as a sky that covers the south looks like I just don't know if it makes them

29:35Any different in terms of do I fear them any more than I already did?

29:38No, like I think the mikhail bridges thing moved the needle for me way more than this

29:43And I don't this doesn't necessarily move me at all again for me

29:47I see minnesota side of it and I just like the fact that they get more minutes for naz but from the knicks

29:52That front court is very thin

29:55If robinson gets hurt again

29:58Um, they're in serious trouble. I didn't like the fact that they mortgaged

30:01You know the hartenstein thing to to get bridges and bring back anenobe

30:06They had to kind of give up hartenstein and I thought hartenstein was spectacular for them in the playoffs last year

30:11um

30:13I mean physicality his physicality is one thing but he was a spectacular passer for a guy that size

30:17So, you know, we'll see if cat can move the ball like that. I I just think the way I know nicks fans

30:24He might get on their nerves very quickly with some of the stuff that he does and and

30:28I'm, not sure that's a great fit for cat considering he's going from market in minnesota

30:32That's like hey, you know to one of the most ruthless media markets in america

30:37I don't know if anybody's considered that either at all, but maybe i'm weird confident. What about you? What do you think?

30:44Yeah, I mean again, I I don't think that either team is exponentially better after the trade than it was before the trade

30:51And so it's just sort of the longevity of the season and seeing what they look like come the playoffs

30:55but

30:56you know, i'm i'm more inclined to I I completely agree with the naz read thing as far as minnesota goes and we saw what

31:02He did last year once he really got an opportunity and he's just so much fun to watch

31:05But as you noted, they don't really matter unless they get to the nba finals and the celtics are there on the other side

31:11so it'll just be

31:13Okay, you know are are they capable of knocking off?

31:16The thunder or some of the other teams in the west that we have great respect for and and we get to just kind of

31:21Sit back and enjoy that ride. But as far as the

31:24competition within the eastern conference and this is where I want to go with you adam is

31:29You know what?

31:30If you're looking at and we had this conversation a little bit with jared weiss when he was on with us last week

31:36I don't know what who are the biggest threats right now like

31:39Instinctively a lot of people would like to say

31:42You know milwaukee because yannis because dame

31:46Throw them out like as far as i'm concerned throw them out. I don't like that fit

31:50Philly, you know george is there now to go along with mbd and and some of the other talent that they have but

31:56I just don't believe in mbd and not at like as at that level as a winner, obviously, you know, he's an mvp

32:03He's statistically he's always going to be there. He's a great player individually

32:08Individually, I just think he's a crappy teammate not someone who's ever going to win in the league, you know at the you know

32:14highest level

32:15so

32:17Does it become the knicks by default?

32:20Am I in your mind as someone who covers the entire league in great depth?

32:24Am I you know short changing those other teams? Is there someone i'm leaving out?

32:28No, I think it's I think it's the knicks and the sixers. I don't I think you can flip a coin

32:32Just depends how things work with paul george

32:35but I think

32:36You know, I know there's so many mbd haters out there. He's he's so much better than everyone else on those two teams

32:42um that if he's right

32:44and the paul george

32:46uh

32:47Paul george meshes and that works

32:49I think they're more of a team to fear, you know, tyrese maxey is still on the upswing like that's a really really talented team

32:56people forget like I know it's so easy to but like

32:59Like two years ago if like like d anthony mellon hits like a couple of

33:02wide open threes

33:04There's a good chance the sixers knock the celtics out the playoffs

33:09Like had nothing to do with mbd. You'll go back to that game six

33:13You know a couple of those shots

33:15Even like one of those shots even goes in

33:18It's a really good chance. They're finishing them off in game six and everything changes. It didn't happen the celtics won

33:24I get it like they did they had to do

33:26but like

33:27When mbd is right, which hasn't been that often but when he's right, he's shown

33:32He can still be a dominant dominant force. Um, so who knows, you know, he's getting older too. We talked about age

33:37Like he's getting older

33:39You know, I wouldn't feel good about him playing a full season completely healthy

33:42But if he does and paul george's had injury concerns as well

33:45If he if he stays healthy, I think their their ceiling is probably the higher of the two teams

33:50Um, but you got to factor those things in

33:53um, you know what's happened in the past, so I think it's

33:57Next sixers and then gap I agree with you on the bucks, you know, they're just old and haven't really done much to get better

34:04And also docs the coach but that's a conversation for another day

34:07uh, we can adam before we let you you go here and wrap up this show and this can be a

34:13A transitionary topic we can start it here

34:16we can continue it next week with whoever we have on with us because I

34:20I I think we've talked a lot about tatum and brown

34:23Individually and the whole

34:25Tatum not playing at the olympics as much as everyone thought he should the dnps and and you know

34:30Kerr and all of that and and not winning either of the mvps finals or even eastern conference and then brown obviously his

34:37Not being all nba any of those teams being left off the olympic roster and just their individual

34:45Motivations, I I guess for lack of a better way of putting it this year and you know

34:49Missoula with the great quote or tatum, I guess the great quote about missoula saying that you know

34:54Nobody was happier that I was a dnp at the olympics than than joe

34:59Um, so I asked joe about that the next day

35:02Yeah, and he he like interrupted me like I just interrupted you and flashed a big smile. He goes. Oh, yeah, he's right. I love it

35:10I'm like, all right

35:11I love it. I love the way the dude's wired. I hope he's the coach for life so long as they stay competitive

35:16He's just a great soundbite fun to listen to and I think he's crazy in all the right ways

35:21But you know, like I said, you wrote recently about brown and I wasn't at media day

35:26but just you know looking at coverage and and looking at the

35:29Um, even just like shoot around or or training camp like videos that are making their way on social media like brown

35:38You talked about the whole

35:40It's it's I put on 10 pounds of muscle off season like he looks huge. I don't know if it's

35:46partially the

35:48the face looks slimmer because he shaved the beard and it's more of a

35:52Stubble situation as opposed to the big bushy thing and that like in some way plays

35:57You know mind games with your eyes and makes the body look but I have no idea but he looks just effing shredded right now

36:05and you know clearly we saw from

36:08A lot of the stuff that he put out in the off season what he has been working on and so he's clearly bigger

36:13Which of these guys if you had to pick and hopefully he answers both right but if you had to pick

36:19With tatum working on on the mechanics of his shot and trying to you know

36:23Get himself right a little bit with an issue that that never mind

36:26The olympics goes back to the playoffs last year even beyond that actually, you know, which of these guys do you think?

36:32is better positioned

36:34mentally physically both for

36:38Their game going to yet another level this season

36:41That's a tough question, I don't think there's I don't think there's indications that one or the others

36:47uh

36:48more position dominant, I think the there's probably like jason has been our first team on va for three years like

36:56Not so much last year but year before he spent a good chunk of the season as a leading mvp candidate

37:00um, so

37:01If you pull out jalen's conference final, like let's say jalen doesn't win conference finals the finals mvp

37:08You you think they're at the ceiling fairly much higher, but now he's gonna by doing that

37:13You know, that's that's a pretty big ceiling moment, by the way

37:15Oh here I am conference finals mvp and finals mvp. So maybe jalen but

37:20You know, they don't the thing is they don't need them to get like a lot better. There's there's small tweaks here and there

37:25Um, you know, you mentioned jason shooting i'll be curious to see

37:28you know when you when you're shooting around in front of us a few times like it's

37:32Shot like different that hitch is gone

37:34I put this in one of my stories. Maybe he's just

37:37workshopping something and

37:38Seeing how it feels while he's shooting around after a training camp practice and then when the games start

37:43It looks the same or maybe there's going to be a major adjustment

37:46um

37:47But these guys are always you know

37:49Focused on ways to get better and finding finding holes in their game. You saw with jalen last year like after every single practice

37:55He would spend like 20 minutes working on his reads

37:59with like four assistant coaches very simple stuff, but

38:03He was aware the turnovers were a problem and and his

38:06Abilities the playmaker needed improvement. It did it got better. Is there still room for it to get better? Absolutely

38:11um, but these guys are

38:13Really good at kind of working to try to improve their falls

38:16It is so it's like I said, we'll we'll wrap here and we can continue that topic next week

38:21But just in general in a general sports sense it fascinates me and it's not uncommon

38:25It's actually very common

38:27but it fascinates me how

38:28You know whether you're talking about a batter playing with his stance in baseball and altering the way that he swings or obviously

38:34Like you said, you know tatum with the hitch in his giddy up if you will and looking for the mechanics of a different shot

38:40Or you know, maybe a quarterback throwing the ball differently

38:43I I mean all these guys they work on on their craft in a different way and they're constantly honing it

38:48but I it's

38:49It's an apples to orange things, but but it'd be like, you know us like, you know

38:53Like podcasters radio tv people hosting the show and all of a sudden just trying to talk differently

38:59And you know and and and like carry ourselves in a completely different way. It's it's

39:04It's it's it's wild to me that that these guys can can do something largely the same way

39:11For much of their life or at least their professional life and take them to a certain level of success and then just be like

39:18Yeah, it hasn't been working lately. I'm gonna change it

39:20I'm, just I'm just gonna like totally reinvent the way that I do this. I I like I said, i'm just i'm

39:26fascinated with the maybe we ought to have like drew hanlon on the show and and get into that if anyone could

39:31Could break that type of thing down it'd be him but I talked to drew

39:34two days ago

39:35I want to tell him a story and he

39:37In a rare moment said he he's letting jason talk about shooting

39:40He doesn't want to he doesn't want to talk about any changes in his shooting form

39:44interesting

39:45but again, i'll be curious to see what it looks like when like it's one thing to

39:49When you're messing around after practice to be like, all right, let's try this and then

39:53Another thing when there's three minutes left in the fourth quarter

39:55Drew holly's passing ball in the corner and like, you know

39:57Does the muscle memory kick in at that point or is it right shot? We'll see. Yeah, it's gonna be a fun thing to watch

40:03but uh

40:04Anyway, adam hemmelsbach

40:05Like I said, check him out obviously on twitter checking, you know at adam hemmelsbach check him out in uh in in the globe

40:10and all of his

40:11Uh great work there and like I said

40:13He's been putting stories out on brown on shireman who we didn't even really get into at all looking forward to seeing the you know

40:19Extra from the town getting opportunity with the team this year. Holy crap the way this dude

40:24Did he look that way in college?

40:26He's quite literally your cousin from boston. He looks just like

40:30That's like a makeover. You'd look at the before and after pictures. He had like shaggy hair

40:34That's what I mean

40:34Like when I was watching video not that I was like regularly watching him in college

40:38But going back and watching highlights different dude, that is not that is not the guy that showed up to media day

40:44This guy looks like he's trying to be jeremy runner in the town. It's unbelievable

40:48But uh himmelsbach, we always enjoy when you hop on man, uh, get back to checking out syracuse

40:52Who hopefully as we sit here is continuing to smack around holy cross and at 28 14

40:57I've been watching out of the corner of my eye. Ah, beautiful

40:59Well, that's not great

41:01If you had the 28 and a half point spread but a lot of time left in the game

41:04Uh for him valenti i'm adam kaufman for of course himmelsbach

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