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Keith Smith covers the NBA and the salary cap for Spotrac. Keith joins the program to chat about Team USA, Derrick White's fit, and the kudos the Celtics brain trust deserves. Twitter: @KeithSmithNBA
4:09 - Derrick White on the world stage
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00:06Hey everybody, happy almost weekend to you
00:10Or maybe you're right in the midst of the weekend depending on when you're listening
00:13It is after all the podcast, but we are coming at you on a Friday afternoon
00:18Right in the thick of all things
00:20Olympic group play the men's basketball squad the US team one more game before they get in a quarterfinal play as we sit here
00:27Right now this is not going to be an olympic deep dive per se because obviously if you're not listening to the show for another
00:35Four or five days. I mean things are
00:37You're gonna know match-ups and things like that by then
00:40So heck I mean they the us could already be on to the semifinals in the semifinals
00:45I don't know. So we're not gonna mess around with all that. This is not a daily show
00:48It's a big picture show pleased to be here with you adam kaufman evan valente and keith smith from spot track, of course
00:55Uh pretty popular podcast in his own right the uh, the front row program that you guys have the front row show
01:01It's great to have you back here with us keith been a bit
01:04I appreciate yeah front office show is uh our show
01:07Yeah, it's all good. I I was getting I I didn't want to pull it up as I was saying it in my head
01:12I'm going I know front is in there
01:15You're in the neighborhood. That's all that matters man. It's close. I'm a
01:19Dick the front office show. Thank you. You know what it has a bigger audience than this show has right for good reason
01:26Anyway, so go and check that one out on youtube and subscribe and all of that keith
01:30It has been a bit good to have you back here with us. Obviously, uh, just again in a big picture sense
01:35How have you enjoyed the start to olympic play?
01:38Yeah, it's been fun. It's uh, you know, it's it's just nice to have high level basketball
01:43uh in the middle of the summertime, I enjoy summer league, but
01:47Yeah as much as I enjoy it
01:48It's not exactly good basketball and coming off of a very invested finals run as celtics guys
01:55It felt like man now summer league is like, oh gosh, this is bad
02:00Um, but it's it's still you know, I enjoy it. But yeah, the olympics high level international hoops is great
02:06It's it's always fun to see the guys going out there competing and trying to trying to do something for the country
02:11I always enjoy the olympics
02:13We're about a month removed at this point in time from
02:17The celtics and derrick white and of course everyone remembers the uh, you know famous
02:23picture that was going around on social media after he signed the deal the
02:27You know the hat the celtics or the balls hat the white was wearing and just you know further, uh, you know, just
02:33Fans falling in love with this man on a daily basis, but it's not just celtics fans at this point in time
02:39We were talking about this just before we came on the air. It's uh
02:42Fans across the world quite frankly who just love the nba and just love team usa derrick white
02:49There was a little bit of I don't want to say it was white centric controversy the fact that he
02:54Jumped on team usa as that last spot in filling in for kawaii leonard the controversy
02:59Obviously as we all know centered around the fact that it was jaylen brown who was left off
03:04Not so much that it was derrick white who was selected, but my god
03:08It just further shows that he is such a seamless perfect fit
03:13In any situation that you put him in to where I think back to now
03:18You know again july 1st in that four-year 126 million dollar contract that brad stephens locked him up to and you can't help but think
03:27What what could they have you know, what what could he have demanded? What what and derrick white's?
03:31uh, yeah, i'm sure he's making more money than he ever could have envisioned for anyone that knows his journey and as you know,
03:37Obviously the uh, it was such an uphill climb to the nba and and never mind becoming what he has at this point in time
03:43But I mean pay that man 700 million dollars because he is just a perfect player in a perfect situation
03:50No matter where you put him
03:51How impressed have you been by derrick white and his fit on team usa and his importance quite frankly to team usa kid
03:58Yeah, it's uh, it's funny because I don't mean to say this to any form a negative way
04:03But i'm not surprised like this is what derrick white does he just fits in right?
04:08He just goes does whatever is asked of him comes up big makes big plays
04:13Uh, there was a point in the last game against south sudan where the game's getting a little tight. They made a run
04:21Derrick white gets the ball up makes the move makes his little off ball move
04:25Finds himself behind the line ball comes to him and I just knew it was going in because that's what he's what he's done
04:30Since pretty much since he came to boston and he has been you know great for them and I said this when
04:36Jalen brown didn't get picked and I said look jalen brown if it was just taking the most talent jalen brown
04:42Probably should have been there day one
04:44Of the team right and even before they took a couple other guys, but a lot of it was this late in the game
04:51We're replacing somebody literally weeks before we jump on a plane or days rather before we jump on a plane
04:57Let's get in somebody who is just gonna fit if he doesn't play a lot
05:01He's not gonna say anything. He's just gonna do his thing. And now what is impressive is they need him
05:08They need him out there and that's gonna show up in other games too other teams that have strong guards
05:13It was all kind of falling to drew holiday to be that guard defender
05:16Now they've got the other guy that can go on a minute. My favorite part has been i'm not gonna call him out
05:21Who it was but a very prominent lakers account tweeted out
05:27I hate how much I like derrick white and how good he is
05:30And that just tells you like that's perfect right there like just made me so happy
05:36yeah, the world's falling in love with derrick white and we're all witness to it, it's just
05:40It's fun because you know not too long ago a couple years ago
05:44Everybody was given this other a lot of flack for trading
05:47So many assets to get derrick white and now he's just an invaluable part of not only a world champion nba team
05:54But hopefully an olympic gold medal, uh team here with team usa
06:00It's it's amazing though because you know, you look at him and you're like, there's no way this guy's awesome at basketball
06:05Just look at his appearance. Sometimes it's like with the hair or the bald head and the missing teeth and all like no
06:10He's just he gives the game exactly what it needs and what's fun as celtics fans as we sit here and chat
06:17It's like the whole world's catching up to what all of us got to enjoy for the past seven months
06:22It's like yeah, you know having both true holiday and derrick white on the same team
06:28Is an awesome time and the one thing I keep coming back to and I keep thinking about this
06:33Big picture because we always talk about big picture show
06:37Everybody's seen it on the on the grand world stage now
06:40But i've often thought about this and you go back and forth with every roster in the nba, but when you look at
06:46those two guys specifically
06:49I don't know if you think differently here keith, but I didn't think that this might be the most complete
06:55Backcourt in the entire league with these two guys. I mean you had jalen brown and he's sort of a guard wing hybrid
07:01But if you just talk about guards
07:03Specifically and yeah, they're they're good ones oklahoma city. I'm not going to discount that obviously kairi and luka are awesome
07:09But they just lost these two guys the nba finals, right?
07:13Uh, you know, whoever jalen brunson has next to him is a formidable, you know duo
07:19But to the celtics and and now that we're seeing the world stage
07:22It sounds like the best backcourt in the league because it seems like they might
07:26Yeah, it's certainly right up there. I think we whenever we do those rankings
07:30Priority goes to the best offensive players, right? So I think if you just asked an average fan, they're going to tell you that
07:38Luka and kairi are ahead of white in holiday just because they're going to look at and say well
07:43Those two guys are awesome and they're it's not that they aren't they are awesome
07:47But they're awesome on one end of the floor
07:49Uh holiday and white I do often wonder what would they do if it was hey, we need you both to score more
07:56We need you to take 15 20 shots a night instead of 10. You know, what would that look like?
08:02There's a chance maybe it doesn't go well, right and it all kind of goes a little sideways on them
08:06But there's a chance it does go really well
08:08I mean drew holiday's been nearly a 20 point per game scorer before in his career
08:12I think derrick white could be that if he needed to
08:15But it's the defense the playmaking that's what is so great to see
08:20uh with those two guys and that's what's really cool is getting to see how many people now have come around to like
08:26Oh my gosh, like these two guys like boston gets this every night out of these two guys who like
08:32People you would have hoped would have seen it in the playoffs
08:34But I do think some nba fans after a long season their team's eliminated
08:38I do think they tune out a little bit and now they're seeing it on the international stage and steve kerr is 100
08:45Anytime it's like I need to get a stop
08:47He's going to them the two of them together
08:49In the backcourt because he knows they're gonna get they're gonna come up with that stop for him
08:53The other underappreciated thing with derrick white that everybody's seeing now loving the shot blocking like people like how does he do this?
09:00He's six three in every game. He's coming up with one or two blocks and they're legit blocks at the rim
09:06So yeah, I mean this is a love fest for those two guys and and well earned by both of them
09:12I love the d-weight d-weight had a comment. Sorry to cut you off adam
09:15D-weight had a comment of like I don't know how derrick white blocks so many shots when he's a vertical of like 20
09:21And then people pointed out that derrick white has a higher vert than the d-weight to be fair
09:27what I do love is
09:29D-weight also
09:30Young d-wade was an exceptional shot blocker unbelievable. Yeah, so it's really cool that that wade is here
09:38Watching derrick white kind of do a little bit of what d-weight used to do back in the day
09:43Yeah
09:43I just think the other thing that it
09:46screams to
09:47People out there who play basketball at any level be it in the nba in college in high school
09:55Recreationally over at the why you're a kid growing whatever the lesson here
10:01is that
10:02We get so caught up
10:04You know on this show other shows any show I mean certainly, you know your mainstream
10:09uh espns and fox sports and all of that we we
10:12Debate the merits of superstars and we rank them and we you know
10:17Who's the goat and who wants to take for this guy to become the goat?
10:21How do you get in the goat conversation? It just all these types of
10:27situations where you see olympic play
10:29Or even quite frankly just watching the celtics as closely as the three of us and I presume many of our viewers and listeners do
10:36it screams the importance of team and
10:40What individuals can do to as we used to always say with marcus smart, but we say it with these guys as well
10:46Impact winning you don't I mean jason tatum
10:49And tyrese haliburton didn't play in that first game for team usa
10:53Obviously steve kerr mixed it up in the next game haliburton came off the bench tatum started still didn't play as many minutes as
10:59The other starters, but he did start he had other guys like joelle and bead not play now
11:04It's going to look different in this next game as we sit here against puerto rico before you get in the quarterfinal play
11:09But the guys who are consistent
11:12There's no sitting derrick white. There's no sitting drew holiday
11:15Nobody's going to sit here and tell you that either of those two guys are the best players on team usa, but in some ways
11:22They're two of the most important. So I just think
11:25Some of that sometimes keith gets lost and I think that we do a decent job on this show
11:31at least over the course of a regular season or playoff run of
11:34of really harping on the importance of guys like that versus always being fixated on tatum and brown or
11:40You know how porzingis
11:42Plays his role and that sort of thing who's sort of star adjacent at this point in his career
11:47But I know i'm rambling I just think I I sort of marvel as a viewer as a fan
11:53At what guys like white and holiday white in particular honestly do out there to?
11:59really ingratiate themselves with
12:03coaches and teammates and just
12:06General fans to really highlight all the different ways that they contribute
12:11Yeah, I think what we have seen with the celtics since he took over the front office
12:17Brad stevens in a good way is building the team still from a coach's perspective
12:23I think when we've seen it kind of fall apart is when it's the people who are doing both
12:27They have to be the coach and build the team like that because you're always trying to build the team
12:31So you don't get yourself fired as the coach stevens is looking at it from the couple things
12:37I think he is really prioritized is and he said it in his day one kind of press conference
12:43Or it might have been like the email udoka press conference, but it was early on
12:47Where he said we're going to build a team that maximizes everything for tatum and brown
12:52And we want guys who lift them guys who support them guys who are going to understand their place here
12:58And I think for him that's meant I want guys who I know what they are. So al horford i'm gonna go get him
13:04I know derek white is pretty good. I know drew holiday is pretty good. I'm gonna get those guys
13:08I'm gonna extend everybody that I can because then I give myself just surety. I know what i'm doing
13:14I've got guys locked in here and he's done such a good job
13:17With building that up and then that now translates over to the olympic team where holiday is
13:23No, i'm not gonna say ingrained as a starter, but pretty close. Uh there to being, you know, a starter because I think
13:31Uh, steve, kerr eric's bolster tyloo that that crew of coaches knows. Hey, we just plug him in
13:37He if we need him to shoot he's gonna shoot if we need him to defend
13:40Of course, he's gonna do that
13:42He'll move the ball and then derrick white was supposed to be like the 12th man
13:45And I think they got about a day and a half into him being with the team and like now he needs to play
13:50Nothing against tyree salaburton nothing against jason tatum, but tatum skills, especially are duplicative
13:56You have a bunch of guys who don't do the same things. He does already then halburton's best skill is his incredible on ball playmaker
14:04We don't need that like as much because the other guys are gonna have the ball a lot more
14:09With derrick white it is hey get us into our offense and then he's just kind of always moving floating around doing his thing
14:15holiday does does it in slightly different ways, but similar type play those two guys are are unbelievable and that's why
14:22Like when I look at the like celtics
14:26As a team and then I look at the cap sheet. It's like yeah, it's filled up with a lot of money for
14:31Long term here, but we're in a spot where like everything just fits
14:37Maybe two three years from now somebody's aged out
14:40Maybe somebody's not so happy with the role anymore or whatever it is
14:43But as we stand today, they're in a great place and there's there's no reason to you know
14:48Think think otherwise and it's I I keep everybody's so worried about they're so expensive. They're so expensive
14:54Who cares it's not your money?
14:56Like what difference does it make like like i'm happy that they are that they're this expensive because this is what we've been asking for
15:03For years it is build a real title team and then pay to keep it and that's what they've done
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17:10You know to keep going with that for a second we can sort of get back to some of the money in future
17:15Implications if we even feel like it because that's a conversation that we've got plenty of time to have
17:20As it pertains to guys like white and holiday and and more so white because holiday obviously came to boston already a champion
17:28Elsewhere and like you said a a guy who had scored around 20 points per game at various stops a
17:35Perennial starter in most places all of that white, you know
17:38White, you know, I I think they have unlocked him even more so than obviously what he was on the verge of becoming there
17:45In in san antonio. I mean, I think people forget one
17:48Some people didn't like the trade at the time. You got him for nothing
17:51You got him for what josh richardson and a draft pick maybe and and he's become this guy that makes
17:56130 million dollars over the life of a new four-year contract so often we
18:02Not we I don't think evan and I really ever do this
18:05But but you hear it on sports talk radio all the time
18:07Like it's people love to do like the blame pie thing when and when when things go to hell
18:13not enough, uh
18:14Not often enough keith is is there and evan the uh, the the credit pie for lack of a better way of calling it
18:20you look at that celtics front office and
18:23Obviously at the top of it in in name and enroll in and say and all of that is brad stephens
18:28But mike zarin, uh, you know really kind of a 1a 1b situation
18:32You have austin ainge you have others who we very rarely talk about that play an important role within that space
18:39How do we sort of divvy up who gets credit for?
18:43Like you said building this team in a coach's vision of brad's uh in in
18:49Going out and and seeing
18:52What derrick white could become and his fit with this team to acquire him in deciding?
18:57Hey, we need to pounce and it may seem like a no-brainer to some people but not everyone did it
19:02Not everyone tried to do it going out and saying we need to go out and get through holiday and fit him into this
19:07Mix or even to that end chris taps porzingis, you know where?
19:11you're again from the front office podcast, you know as as someone who
19:16Looks so deeply at the inner workings of front offices
19:21How do you divvy all of that up when you look at boston?
19:25Yeah, I think it's it's a lot of people too
19:27I'll even include denny ainge in that because he never traded tatum or brown, right?
19:31he stayed
19:32Staunch in his belief that those are the guys like and and whether that was he just didn't find the right deal to move them
19:38In or doesn't come together, but he never moved either one of them and in multiple times
19:44I I was even critical at times where i'm like
19:47Is this guy ever going to be as good as player x who they're trying to trade for is right now
19:52And that's where you know, and i'll hand up I was wrong at times about both guys where I was like, you know what?
19:58I'm, glad they kept them because that's a big part of why why they win
20:01But yeah, I think you know ange and did you early on I think stevens you're absolutely right
20:07Zarin is you know, it's it's kind of funny because i'm thinking in some ways
20:11it's probably easy right now because it's like
20:13You get a max and you get a max and you get a max and off we go
20:17Right, and that's that those are easy to hand out
20:19Where that'll become like more on the rest of the guys is later
20:24When you need to backfill whether it's through the draft or you need to backfill through
20:28Minimum signings or targeted overseas guys that you're trying to bring in on minimum type deals and those things
20:34That's where we're gonna have to see those guys really make their money because we're gonna be in a spot where
20:39They're probably gonna be capped out probably second apron team for at least a few years
20:44So it'll all come together, but i'll also give credit to like email
20:48initially coming in and saying
20:50All right, you know what i'm going to chat you you we're going to build everything for tatum and brown to succeed
20:54But i'm going to challenge them too to be better than they've ever been
20:57And you have to bring it every night on both ends of the floor
21:00You can't just be content there and he he pushed and then joe mizula
21:04Coming in after and saying this is how I believe we'll win
21:07And when we lose playing my way, we're probably going to lose and it'll look really bad, right?
21:12because every every
21:137-8 games we're going to have like an 8 for 40 shooting night from three
21:18And it's going to be a disaster and we're probably going to get killed
21:21But the other seven games we're going to probably steamroll teams and and blow them out because I believe in the way
21:27This is how we can win with this team. And then anytime the pressure got turned up a little of like
21:34Maybe it's not work. He went almost the other way of now
21:37I'm going to push even further that you didn't like when we shot 43s. We'll shoot 50
21:42You know
21:42we'll shoot 70 of our shots from three and those kind of things and really amped it up and I think
21:47When you put it all together that it's the same thing with the players on the roster
21:51Tatum and brown is the stars will always get the bulk of their credit
21:55But this team doesn't win obviously without porzingis and the things he did holiday in white
22:00We talked about al horford, of course
22:02But even guys like hauser and pritchard and cornet and tillman and just going on down the roster
22:07Like all those guys had their moments at some point whether it's through the regular season
22:12Or in the playoffs where they they were all really big and it's it's one of those things where I think they've really hit on a mix
22:18That's why every time it felt like what was it every 15 minutes
22:23We got a message from either woj or sham saying so picture resigning player x
22:28And people like are they just going to bring everybody back and I was like, why wouldn't you?
22:32Like just bring everybody back like it's it worked so well and and the rest of the league has to now catch you
22:38You know, you don't have to reinvent yourself until something comes along that says you have to and they'll play probably a little differently next year
22:45But for right now, yeah, I mean they're in a great shape and it's yeah, it's an eye. It's it's uh, yeah
22:50If we're if like you said we like to divvy up plane pie. Yeah, let's serve the credit buffet here and everybody can eat
22:57Yeah, that's a huge thing
22:58It's it's it's and like I listen a lot of michael lombardi and the gm shuffle
23:02So I I like to listen to the way how to build a team and building a team
23:07Consists of a message consistent message from the top down and one of the things that you got to admire about this group is
23:14They don't shy away from what they are who they are and what their mindset's going to be and that that comes from brad
23:21from
23:22Austin age and mike zarin down to joe missoula down to jason tatum and you know
23:26Like it's a consistent message from the top to the bottom
23:29That's why this team is so successful and has been I mean the proofs in the pudding
23:33They've been they've been one of the most successful teams again
23:36Now they've won the title you can now add them to the list of champions
23:39Like they've been more successful than basically every other team the past eight years outside of like golden state
23:45Okay, so they the proofs in the pudding what I love about the way that they set this up
23:50is
23:51like eventually and we talked about this with mannex last week a little bit coffin about how
23:57like the
23:59wick and steve and everybody involved with the ownership part of things always told brad like hey, we'll
24:05We'll trade we'll allow you to trade for whoever you want to as long as they bring us close to a title if they do
24:10We'll pay them if not, then things get weird and they get tough
24:16What's great about this particular team is like look at the contracts on this roster
24:22There aren't really many bad ones like sam hauser just signed for less than duncan robinson got five years ago
24:29Sam hauser was way more playable in the playoffs than duncan robinson's ever been right?
24:34You have derrick white getting a big contract one that he would have eclipsed next year if he was in the free agent market also
24:41Now that is in the team usa stage
24:44Who doesn't want derrick white like he's awesome drew holiday if you're a contending team
24:50Looking for a piece
24:52Drew holiday at an x number if you can afford that number
24:56Makes a ton of sense because of what he brings intangibly to your team
24:59So keith as you look at the roster breakdown, yes, tatum's gonna get a ton of money
25:04Jalen brown's got a ton of money and chris dabbs with his injury history is dicey
25:09But outside of like chris dabbs, I don't see any bad contracts on this roster really at all. Am I crazy?
25:15No, you're not
25:16They're all
25:17They're all tradable contracts if if you know push came to shove
25:21Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, that's those are the combo there, right the the closest thing to me that is
25:28I'll just call it worrisome. I'm not gonna call it bad is what is that last year or two of holiday look like?
25:35But at that point you're probably able to get out of it if you need to
25:39and into something else so I think what's really happened is
25:42There is a I said this to someone the other day and like that's a really
25:46Good way of putting it because it made me feel good about making the point that way was
25:50There's a lot of contracts, but there's no bad ones like there's a lot of money invested in this team
25:56Obviously, we know that now they're between
25:59Salary and tax they're going to be over a quarter billion dollars in total investment for this season
26:05But that's fine
26:06You know, I think we've all heard that you know billion dollars in money given out this this summer
26:11Uh in terms of long-term deals and that that is what it is
26:15But yeah, it's it really is it feels like everything is good now
26:19the
26:20The other thing is even some of the ones that are a little more
26:24Like porzingis
26:26That's only got two years left. So if it turns out this dude just can't stay on the court enough to matter
26:32They can move on from it relatively easily and go in a different direction and in tatum and brown are they're so good
26:39They're all like you said evan. They're always going to be max guys
26:42So they're just gonna you know, that's just that's what you do in this league and they'll figure it all out later
26:47And yeah, and the the one that is to me
26:51really key is derek white's because
26:54Porzingis took the shorter deal because of the injury history and because of he wanted to lock in money right away
27:00He didn't want to wait so they got that done
27:03Holidays contract is what it is because of his age
27:06White is the guy who he could have said
27:08Now I want to go into free agency because I think I can cash in
27:12One time in my career really really big he probably wouldn't have been a max guy
27:16But he would have got more than what boston's paying him and instead I think he looked at and said
27:21Why do I need you know five million more a year? I'm good here
27:25Like I love where i'm playing and the other reality is too
27:29He's so
27:30Ridiculously popular in the city. He makes that money back now, right?
27:35Because I mean every time I turn on yeah, i'm in orlando, but anytime I turn on a boston, uh
27:41Channel, it's derek white doing something somewhere right or it's on social media
27:45He's doing sam adams commercials and all you know that stuff. I mean, it's clear, you know, he's beloved
27:51So that that is that means an awful lot for guys too is to be in a spot plus I think we need to remember
27:58He's had two kids since he's been with the celtics
28:01And same thing with drew holiday when he got there. They were like, we love this city
28:04These guys don't want to move their families around right? They want to stay. Hey, let's get one place
28:08And let's be there. Uh, then it also deal with their quite doesn't help that or it doesn't hurt rather
28:13The dad's a huge celtics fan and it's probably like hey, come on, you're gonna break my heart and leave like let's just stay
28:20All I can say is thank god. They're not in a position that the nuggets could maybe make a run at him
28:26Because maybe that's the only place he would ever go
28:28If he ever wanted to a couple years from now and all my other thing is let's all
28:33Continue to hope st
28:34Louis doesn't get an expansion team because I think that's the only place tatum would ever go
28:38You did to leave for as things stand right now now five years from now. Who knows?
28:43Maybe he's like i've done everything I could do here. I'm ready for a new challenge. We see that all the time
28:48but but yeah other than that
28:50I mean, I don't know why guys would ever want to leave because they're in such a great place and
28:53You you got paid you got a lot of money
28:55You're where you want to be and most importantly you have a chance to win every year
29:00So it's all all right there for them
29:02Yeah, and and I mean you summed it up really well in terms of sort of the total package what it all means because people
29:07Get like you mentioned that you know
29:09Do I really want to go somewhere else where I can make five million more dollars a year versus what i'm making now?
29:14But maybe you're in a worse situation be it personally family or just even if everything is great in a social
29:22Sort of setting the team just doesn't as good and you don't have as good a chance of winning which again
29:27is your profession is your professional goal, and I I just I don't believe and
29:33take guys like
29:34Jordan or lebron or I look out brady, right?
29:38Like I I I don't think that as guys play I mean maybe for some but not for true competitors
29:43That winning gets any less important to you
29:45I think in many ways it gets more important because the more you win
29:49The more you want to be measured up against, you know
29:52Not just greats but the all-time greats and you know in just lift yourself into that conversation. So
29:59there's just the the money like
30:02We don't
30:03I know we know this intuitively, but we don't really
30:06Not that we have to spend enough time sort of thinking about the context of how absurd
30:11This money is and I I don't mean like oh these guys are
30:15Overpaid or whatever. It's you know, this is
30:18obviously
30:19Where we're at in professional sports and different sports are different
30:22Obviously like people in the wnba aren't getting paid the way they are in the nba people in the nhl
30:27Aren't getting paid the way they are in in the nba hell and you know
30:31Most players in in the nfl aren't getting paid the way the average player is in the nba
30:36and so like congrats to all those, you know for collectively bargaining yourself into a
30:41A hell of a deal an influx of new tv money and all that stuff whenever that comes in
30:46It's it's why danny ain't said a while back and we've talked to you about this before
30:50people sort of uh
30:52Get enamored with arguing about the validity of a contract based on its number. It's not about the dollars. It's about
30:58percentage of cap and
31:00Jason tatum to use an example and jaylen brown you could use him as well. I mean these guys make
31:06Never not even endorsements and I know there's the whole thing with brown not really having as many but tatum has a
31:12A bevy of endorsements. He may have more than any other player in the nba right now
31:16It just salary makes triple the money that derrick white does, you know
31:21year over year and so
31:24Derrick white is still seeing it in his in his four years
31:28130 million dollars considerably more money than the three of us will see in our lifetimes combined derrick white is doing
31:35Just fine, obviously economically so to that point
31:40Why go why look for something different what I wonder here keith and I I i've never really thought about this until just now
31:48otherwise, I
31:49You know might have done some digging around to see if I could support it with some numbers
31:53But you know, i'm i'm wondering like people like to talk about
31:57Tax penalties and you know, what is you signed sam hauser now?
32:02What does hauser's deal actually cost you because of what it costs you in relation to tax penalties and yada yada yada
32:08Like you said the celtics are invested a quarter billion dollars into this year's team
32:12Off you hear a lot of people talking about owning a sports franchise in general as a losing proposition
32:19It is a toy more often than not you are losing money on it
32:22And and I just maybe that's true for some but you look at these valuations going up year over year for the best teams
32:28Like the grosbeck estate, you know
32:31The family's going to get five billion dollars for the boston celtics whenever it comes a point that they sell and i'm wondering
32:38you know when you
32:40Own a team a successful team like the boston celtics that yeah has certainly
32:45Financially gone all in on its players in hopes of trying to win repeat championships
32:50You have 18 you're looking for 19, maybe even 20
32:53You have a window here man that you want to try and take advantage of what?
32:58Are you actually?
32:59costing yourself on the players and on
33:03On championship rings and all these other expenses obviously
33:07Versus what you're bringing in in merchandise in sales in you know
33:12The tickets and all everything that comes along with owning a successful team that people want to represent hell the boston redsox
33:20you know have
33:21Stunk largely for a number of years and yet
33:25A redsox cap or a redsox t-shirt or sweatshirt is still
33:28You know one of the top five most popular across sports probably definitely baseball that you're going to see
33:34Across the world definitely across the united states. So where is that threshold drawn to where you know teams actually are losing money
33:43Yeah, I don't it's funny because it tends to come up when we get into like cba negotiation time, right?
33:49And it's it's been good to see in the last couple of rounds of negotiation
33:53That hasn't been the talking point like if we go all the way back to like like 1999 and then I think it was
34:012012
34:02We saw like teams are like half the teams are losing money and all these things and like yeah
34:07But you're talking about you're losing money
34:09This year because you have a bunch of bad contracts and your team stinks
34:14But two years ago when you didn't have bad contracts and you're good
34:17You weren't losing money and my thing is always the people who own these teams
34:21I'm, not going to necessarily say they're all super duper smart people, but they have smart people working for them
34:28Not necessarily with the teams always but just in general and if it was hey, wait a minute
34:33You're blowing your family's fortune here through your sports team
34:38They'd probably sell them and I think what what what we're seeing is too
34:43The nba it's an open secret. Not even a secret anymore. Now. They're gonna expand
34:47They've they're now talking about it, you know very openly that that's probably next item on the list
34:53But one of the things that's been interested is interesting about the process is two teams
34:58Is it going to be four teams like where are they going?
35:01So we're already hearing baseball is talking about adding teams hockey's talking about adding teams
35:06What the nba doesn't want to do is they don't want to be
35:09Second third or god forbid last to a market like they're going to be in seattle and potentially in las vegas
35:16Pending whenever the a's like fully relocate there
35:20So what they want to do is they want to be in a position where hey, let's get us back
35:24Let's let's be let's be the team because the reality is what happens in a lot of these cases is
35:30You know me living here. I can't buy season tickets to four different teams, right?
35:36Like that's not going to happen
35:37Especially if it's hockey and basketball and that's going on at the same time of year
35:41So that may be all right, I can only get one. Well if you're first there, right now
35:46We got your money and you're you're invested in the nba team and if anybody else falls behind
35:51Well, we'll figure that out later
35:53But I think what's my bigger point there is they don't have any shortage of people lining up to say I want a team
36:00Like I want to buy a team whether it's an existing team or I want an expansion team
36:05We know las vegas already has I think we're up to three or four ownership groups already basically saying
36:11We're going to own the vegas team
36:12Well, it's only going to be one of them and seattle's got money coming in and there's like adam silver's rattled off about five or six
36:19Or seven other cities where he's like we have interest there and we're already we are already know
36:24It's going to be like five billion dollars per expansion team
36:27So to your point where like grouse packs did the family you're going to sell the team
36:32Well, they're going to get a bunch of money, but that new owner coming in
36:36Yeah, they're going to pay a bunch of money for the team. The team's going to be expensive
36:40Salary wise but they're going to get a check from whoever buys in as an expansion team
36:44Probably two of them maybe more you're going to get that the tv money starts going to you instead
36:50That's now higher than anybody ever thought it would have been on this new contract. So I think everybody's doing pretty good
36:57Yeah, if we really went through profit and loss
36:59There's probably a handful of teams that come in, you know in the in the red each year where it is
37:05All right
37:05We lost a little bit of money
37:07But the reality is unless you are a team like the pistons who now have been down down down for years
37:14yeah, if you flip it pretty quickly, you're probably going to come back around and people are going to be super excited because
37:20They'll buy your merchandise. You'll buy tickets
37:22They're gonna buy all this stuff and and then you get your share of the league wide profits as well
37:27So I don't think anybody's sitting there saying man, you know what?
37:30We're we're just you know
37:31Throw money away on this because I also think teams have gotten smarter
37:35And the league's gotten smarter about how they handle things as a whole as well
37:41For sure, I mean, you know, this has been a little like
37:45I always shudder at two things one the a is moving. I'm just still mad about that. That's that's absolute nonsense
37:50And then with detroit, we'll always have money ball left. I just do come on like that
37:55That's such a the fishers are a joke and I don't want to get into it because it's gonna make me angry
38:00And then yeah, the point about detroit's a good one because like as soon as they're good that that city's gonna go nuts
38:06So like once they figure out how to draft correctly and put together the team correctly and pay only one coach instead of two
38:13They're gonna be just fine
38:14Three, I think we're on now, right? Are we on three because money because you're yeah
38:19Oh, are you still paying duane casey? Uh, it might be he might finally be done. Okay, but we're close
38:24Okay, I know the sons are on three. Yeah
38:27Oh
38:29Man, um, the one thing i'll say like just to change gears for a second, uh, radically just because it's been making me very angry
38:39That it's it's it stinks that we're only once a week at them because we can't address the stuff in real time
38:44The tatum not starting stuff
38:47Was way a way bigger story than it needed to be like this is it got
38:52It just got to be oh, yeah, not playing it got to be so obnoxious and annoying
38:57It's like dude, they won by 26 who cares like really?
39:00We're really talking about this for like the third or fourth straight day, man
39:03This is a really slow summer if it would the would the major league baseball trade deadline like right here
39:09We're talking about how tatum isn't playing for like three straight days
39:13Did you this got out of control for you keith because i'm sitting here i'm looking at this thing
39:16Every day i gotta wake up and everybody's just griping i'm like dude
39:19Can we just get past this and get to just get like he didn't play whatever mb didn't play
39:26So the guys aren't gonna play it's not a big deal for me
39:28But everybody wanted to scream about it while they were out one side or the other drove me nuts
39:32Yeah, I know my personal opinion was I thought it was stupid that he didn't play
39:36Much like I think it's dumb that halbert wasn't playing. I I don't understand why mb didn't play
39:42I don't I don't find kers reasoning behind it to be
39:45Overly doesn't overly make sense to me
39:48I feel like every other team usa coach that's ever coached this team
39:52Unless they had like the token college kid on the team who was really designed like you're only gonna play the last couple minutes
39:59I'll blow out. They got everybody into the games
40:02Uh team usa women who have been killing everybody by 30 40 points for years
40:08Wins yesterday, right? Yeah, they're
40:11Unbelievable and their games are never even close
40:14Everybody plays for them
40:16And my thing is like there's 200 minutes. I get it. It's less than there isn't an nba game
40:23I fully understand that but you can get everybody in the games like just you'll figure it out
40:28All that said yeah that it went on for days and days and days that part was to me that was
40:34yeah, there's not much going on and I was with you like I was like
40:37I had the same thing I put on a show and I was like, all right
40:40Maybe they're talking about a couple of these baseball trades. Nope
40:43They were still on this topic and I was like, well, you know, I guess that is a good thing
40:47Basketball is more popular than baseball trade deadline, you know, maybe not regionally in some places
40:54But overall because we know if they weren't drawing audience to listen to it
40:58They would they'd move on to a different topic
41:00So yeah, I I just I don't love the way cars coach the team and and there's a lot of like yeah
41:06Anybody could coach this team and probably win
41:09It's going to be I just some of the lineup decisions
41:12I haven't been a been a fan of some of the defensive
41:15Coverage is like it it was very clear in game one
41:18Against serbia until spolster was like we got to get out of this switching
41:22Yokich is killing us like get into you just play drop and you know
41:27We're we're gonna play a little bit more conventional styles of defense
41:31Once I went into that they really took off and those kind of things
41:34It's it's like this idea of like, all right. Yeah, they did one by 26
41:38so I really feel like i'm being nitpicky here, but
41:41I I just I didn't understand why I didn't play I thought it was dumb
41:44But it is what it is. I had moved on by the next day
41:47It's that's the funny thing with social media
41:49You make a point and then the person who like didn't see it for two days
41:53Then like sees it and they have to retweet it and come back in your mentions
41:58And it's sometimes like you said the days will just fire you up
42:01It's like man, like we're coming back around to this again, like I was already mad about it now i'm over it
42:06Now you want me to be mad again?
42:07Like like so just yeah, it's one of those things were in the moment
42:10It was dumb, but we move on and yeah, well, we'll see now i'm curious to see who it is tomorrow
42:15that maybe doesn't play well, we'll see if it's
42:17Somebody in that game or maybe maybe they blow puerto rico out by so much that everybody gets in and it doesn't really matter anyway
42:24It's all going to kind of come at you fast and we're eight days away from the gold medal game at this point in time
42:29So when we have our next show, I mean, let's say it's a week from today
42:32I don't know if it will be but let's say it's a week from today
42:35You know, we'll be previewing the gold medal game at that point in time
42:38Does anyone in your mind keith stand the us's way?
42:42um, there's teams that I think can challenge them, I think
42:46What i've said this all along what would get team usa beat is if they really shoot poorly
42:52The other team shoots lights out and team usa is also on top of that is sloppy with the ball
42:57It's got to be a combination of those three things. Otherwise teams just aren't gonna be able to score enough
43:02That's like the secret sauce with this team
43:05They can just go to these defensive lineups that are so devastating that there's like nothing you can do like
43:12If they wanted to play davis bam
43:15Holiday white and then I don't care who the fifth guy is
43:19You're probably not going to be very successful scoring on them
43:22It's just that's how good those guys are and can be as a collective
43:26so
43:28That said germany's beating them in the past
43:30Germany has the ability to shoot lights out. They play bigs that can space the floor and spread team usa out
43:37So that'll be be an interesting challenge. They also have nba level guys
43:41So there's not going to be any like no one in on that team is going to be like, oh man, it's lebron
43:46It's they've all played with and against lebron before
43:50Um, I think that canada can absolutely give them a challenge like they're canada's
43:55You got 10 out of 12 guys or nba players and there's some really really good ones on that team, too
44:01That said canada has not struggled
44:05But has had moments in the group stage where it's like you can just see
44:08They're just not on the level that team usa is so unless somebody gets that that that trifecta of team
44:14Uso he shoots poorly. They're sloppy and you shoot lights out. I don't think there's a team that can beat them
44:19I don't think there's a team that can challenge them
44:22Keith smith again from spot track also host the front office show with trevor lane. You can get that on twitter
44:29He has his account, uh at keith smith, uh nba at you can check out the front office show which
44:36That is the twitter account and at uh front office show and of course, uh, you know always
44:41Like I said widespread audience for that show that you should definitely check out especially
44:46In season or around major moments be a trade deadline free agency all of that. I mean everything spikes
44:52And so keith, we always enjoy having you on here with us
44:55Uh, hopefully we'll be able to you know wedge another one in before the season gets going but we're sitting here
44:59I can't believe we're already into august and like you said it's fun to watch
45:03meaningful basketball
45:04Which obviously olympic play is with uh, some of the biggest players and best name biggest names and best players on the planet and all
45:10Of that, uh, it's a far cry from the summer league stuff that we were watching back in july
45:15But uh soon enough it's going to be pre-season basketball and then the chase for banner 19
45:20So I look forward to breaking all of that down here with you
45:23Yeah, I appreciate you guys having me anytime you ask i'm always happy to jump on with you
45:27I uh, I just on that note I sent a text to a couple people with this celtics and I was like, hey
45:32It's august 1st training camp starts next month and they're like get out of here like go away for like a few days
45:40But yeah, they actually start earlier them in denver than anybody else does because they're going over to to dubai to play so
45:47Uh going to be a really short summer for tatum and holiday and white. They're going to get home put their feet up
45:53Hopefully and that's all they're going to do for a few weeks and then then uh, right right back to work
45:58That's why i'll just caution everybody the team starts a little slow out of the gates
46:03I'm, not going to be surprised you had a bunch of guys play all summer. Of course. I guess is going to be out
46:08I don't know that they're going to feel the need to push push push
46:11Uh right out of the gates next year. They may start a little slow, but that doesn't mean people aren't gonna be like
46:16What's going on? You know, they lost, you know three games in november, you know, what is happening here?
46:21You know, but it's it's yeah, I mean I can't it's gone by so fast before we know it
46:25It's going to be going to be time for another season again
46:28I'll be ready. I can't wait
46:30Look, they they mowed down the rest of the nba last year. I'm not even talking playoffs regular season
46:36They absolutely destroyed the league
46:39They know what it takes to win a championship. They have now done it
46:43Yeah, you you want home court as long as possible, but they don't need it, you know, not if they're healthy
46:49They don't need it. So it's uh, you know the top as long as they're a top four seed
46:55I think that's probably all joe really
46:58You know in his heart of hearts cares about sure
47:00They want one
47:01But I think all I really care about is let's have home court to
47:05Start this thing off because like you said i'm porzingis
47:07You'll be lucky if porzingis on the floor for half the year between the injury and rest days maintenance days
47:14whatever else that they've got going on with him horford's gonna miss time this
47:18I'm with you. I you know consider i'm not saying bet the under in terms of the wins but consider it because
47:24a step back in the regular season for uh, ultimate
47:28Heights achieved in the postseason very realistic for this squad
47:31But anyway conversation for another day as we get closer to the season for em
47:34Valenti, of course for keith smith from spot track and the front office show
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