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Patriots legend James White returns to the show to take us inside Josh McDaniels' offense, from play-calls to changes we can expect to see in 2025. Later, he names assistants he hopes join McDaniels in New England and describes how it felt scouting Mike Vrabel's defenses as an opponent.   0:00 - Intro 2:37 - McDaniels' Offense Changes 7:55 - McDaniels' Attention to Detail 12:01 - McDaniels' HB/FB Packages 15:30 - PrizePicks 17:08 - McDaniels' 3rd Down Playcalling 23:03 - McDaniels and Drake Maye 25:23 - More of McDaniels' Schemes 27:00 - Who should fill out the staff? 28:14 - Gametime 29:49 - Facing off Against Mike Vrabel  ************************************************ Patriots Content Brought to you by.... 💰 Prize Picks - https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/CLNS Download the app today and use Code CLNS at PrizePicks.com/CLNS & Get $50 instantly when you play $5!  🎫 Gametime - https://gametime.co Take the guesswork out of buying NFL tickets with Gametime. Download the Gametime app, create an account, and use code CLNS for $20 off your first purchase. Download Gametime today. Terms apply. What time is it? Gametime!  Merch Store - https://shop.clnsmedia.com  Social Media!!!! 🏈 Patriots Twitter- https://twitter.com/patriotsclns 🏈 Patriots Instagram-  https://www.instagram.com/patriotsclns/ 🔵 Facebook- https://facebook.com/clnsmedia 🔵 LinkedIn- https://www.linkedin.com/company/clnsmedia/about/ 💟 Tik Tok - https://www.tiktok.com/@clnsmedia ********************************************************* 🏈 ABOUT PATRIOTS COVERAGE ON CLNS: 🏈  Welcome to the CLNS Media Network’s YouTube channel for New England Patriots 🏈 football.  CLNS Media is the leading online provider of audio/video coverage for the 6X Super Bowl Champions.  Get complete inside access to the New England Patriots at Gillette Stadium in Foxboro and everywhere on the road. CLNS Patriots credentialed insiders Greg Bedard, Andrew Callahan, Tayler Kyles, John Zannis, Alex Barth and Mike Kadlick provide instantaneous news and analysis all in real time, as well as full access to complete videos from the players, coaches, ownership and everyone else inside Patriots Place.  If you enjoy CLNS’ Celtics 🍀 All Access and are craving more Boston sports content, you head over to CLNS’ Patriots 🏈 Press Pass at  🔴 https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqX7G3pEDTseNxtoDU27PEg?sub_confirmations=1 🔴  __________________________________________________________________________ 🍀 For Celtics Content:  🔴  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmp3kivpOg3lzoJC7yV7VjQ?sub_confirmations=1 🔴 🔴 https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmp3kivpOg3lzoJC7yV7VjQ?sub_confirmations=1 🔴 🏀 🍀 Celtics Twitter - https://twitter.com/CelticsCLNS 📸 🏀 Celtics Instagram - https://instagram.com/celticsCLNS 🔵 Twitter Main- - https://twitter.com/clnsmediaCLNS 📸 Main Instagram - https://instagram.com/clnsmedia

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00:00So most times I'd introduce our next guest is the man, the myth, the legend, three-time

00:18Super Bowl champion, Super Bowl MVP, but right now, as anyone on YouTube can see, he doesn't

00:22look like a legend.

00:23He looks like James in the car.

00:25So James White, welcome back to the podcast, back in Foxborough for reasons that we will

00:30leave undisclosed.

00:31No truth to the rumors about joining the staff as an assistant, but good to have you back

00:36in the East Coast, my friend, and yeah, how have you been aside from sitting in the cold

00:42car?

00:43No, it's not too bad.

00:44It's a little warmer here than it is in Illinois, so I can't complain too much about it, but

00:49yeah, it's always good to be back in Foxborough, a lot of good memories, a lot of good people.

00:53So you know, whenever I get the opportunity, it's always fun.

00:57Cool.

00:58You know, what just struck me is you and I were going back and forth this week as we

01:01record Thursday night, and this will be out a little bit later than this.

01:05We were talking in Central Time because that's normally how we have to deal with me being

01:10in the East Coast and you in Illinois.

01:11Is that just where your mind permanently is?

01:13Because I think you were texting me back about Central Time when you were in Eastern Time.

01:17Yeah, I just wanted to keep it the same.

01:19I didn't want to keep switching the time zones for you to make sure so you wouldn't

01:24be like, you know, are you sure it's Eastern Time and not Central Time?

01:27So I just kept it on where we started at.

01:30That's why I kept saying Central Time.

01:33You wisely calculated.

01:34My brain cannot handle multiple time zones, so I kept it the same.

01:37It was a wise move by you.

01:38It had nothing to do with you.

01:39I was just making sure.

01:40There was no confusion.

01:41I gotcha.

01:42Well, as always, I told you this off air, we appreciate you taking this time and this

01:49little Ranky Ding podcast and you've been very popular.

01:51Great show with Mike Cadillac and the folks at CLNS who spoke with you earlier this week.

01:56Highly recommend anyone else go listen to that.

01:58In the meantime, I'm going to try to get real nitty gritty with you here and to get into

02:03what the Josh McDaniels offense, which everyone should remember, right?

02:06The guy has been around as an offensive coordinator 13 years in New England, 14 years total.

02:10That one year with the Rams, everyone forgets.

02:13And this is the only offensive coordinator you really knew because you didn't get a chance

02:16to play for whoever the hell was in charge in 2022.

02:21But when you think about the offense that you watch James at home and probably shook

02:26your head a lot about the last year to what you think you'll see this September running

02:32through January will be the most dramatic changes when we watch the Patriots play offense

02:36under Josh McDaniels again.

02:37I think it will be a detailed offense and you know, they'll be prepared and I think

02:42you'll see that, you know, weekend a week out.

02:44I just thought, you know, watching the team over the last couple of years, it's a lot

02:48of inconsistencies.

02:49Like I wasn't in the building or anything, so I don't know how the preparation went or

02:53how the practices went, but I know with Josh McDaniels, he's going to make sure he holds

02:59the players accountable.

03:00And the standard is going to be extremely high, you know, at all times, as you sit in

03:04the meetings, as you go through the walkthroughs after the meetings, you know, when you go

03:08out to the pre-practice walkthroughs, you know, when you get out to practice, he's on top

03:12of everything like from offensive line, quarterback, running back, receivers, tight ends, like

03:19he, he doesn't miss stuff.

03:20Like if you take a false step or if you look the wrong way, like he's going to catch that,

03:25which look at it.

03:26It can be tough.

03:27Like as a player, you're like, oh, I wasn't like doing this or that, but he just wants

03:31to make sure he's relaying the right information to you to make sure that he knows that you're

03:38doing that.

03:39You're on the same page with him as far as what he wants to see get done.

03:44So I think we can skip over the part where you think it's a good idea to bring Josh back.

03:48We can skip over my endorsement, which I've made clear, call it a nine out of 10.

03:51Like this is categorically good, but what I, what I want to know is as someone who's

03:55lived this and grown in it and experienced it, like the, I think what we'll also notice

04:01as a change is the identity shift week to week.

04:04Now that is predicated on the Patriots getting enough talent again, in a way that they've

04:08not had really the last three, four years to go from power running team one week, go

04:12spread the following week.

04:14So when you guys were doing it, let's presume they get T Higgins, they get, you know, a

04:18couple of offensive linemen.

04:19There's enough to work with there.

04:20And Drake's obviously at the controls, they can do whatever.

04:22How did he do that?

04:23Like take us from the meetings, squad meetings, positional meetings, practice the game, you

04:29know, one or two weeks where you had a very different game plan one week with Josh and

04:32he made that completely new the following week and it worked similarly, if not just

04:37as well.

04:38I think it just all depended on the defense we were going up against, you know, what were

04:43their strengths?

04:44You know, what, what are their weaknesses?

04:45Are they good up front on the defensive line?

04:47Are they good in the secondary?

04:49Are they weak at the linebacker position?

04:51You try and figure out, you know, where you want to attack your opponent.

04:55And I think that's always his point of emphasis.

04:58You want to make them, you know, try and play, you know, at the, say at their weakest

05:03point, like if they're, they're not very good at against 22 personnel, probably run a lot

05:07of that.

05:08If they're not good against 13 personnel, we'll probably run a good amount of that.

05:11If they're not very good at stopping gap schemes, we're probably going to do a ton of that.

05:16Not to say that you won't completely, you know, do anything else, but we want to see

05:20if they're able to slow down what they've put on tape they struggle with.

05:24So you definitely want to attack their weaknesses and that doesn't mean like you don't have

05:29you know, same like repeat plays from week to week as you, you definitely do.

05:34There's, there's a lot of the same stuff.

05:35Maybe it's just switching up the personnel group or, you know, maybe, you know, moving

05:41receivers in different spots, just shifting emotion and getting into it versus lining

05:45up in it, you know, just different ways of doing it.

05:48And I think they, he's always done a great job of, you know, self-scouting like what,

05:52you know, what we've done so far, what we've done in the past and just trying to tweak

05:57it some to make it look a little different, but it's actually, you know, the same exact

06:02thing.

06:03So it sounds like almost complicated, but it's not, you know, really too much there.

06:09There may be sometimes that you show up on Wednesday and there's like a ton of new plays

06:12on there and you kind of figure out, you know, what plays look good throughout the week.

06:17You may scrap some, you may add some, sometimes you add some stuff on the sidelines.

06:21Sometimes you add some stuff the day before the game, just, it just all depends.

06:25And like I said, he literally doesn't stop working, you know, preparing for the game

06:30probably until the game actually starts, you know what I'm saying?

06:33He's always constantly thinking of how he can attack the opponent, which I think is

06:38always really cool.

06:39And I think a big part of it too, like what, like when I was playing, we had a lot of veteran

06:46players who had played a ton within his system and played a ton of football.

06:51So I feel like that was fairly easy to do.

06:54Like I'm not sure if he'll have that same type of approach with some of, some of these

06:57younger guys.

06:58Maybe he will, maybe he won't.

06:59That's it.

07:00There's been, I'm not, I saw, I said it on Mike's podcast last night.

07:05I saw that he, he's been going around to different, you know, college programs and NFL organizations

07:10kind of, you know, feeling out what they're doing, trying to learn some new things.

07:14So who knows?

07:15He may have a little bit of a different approach from in the past, but I just know at the end

07:19of the day, the preparation, you know, will be there.

07:24I know he's going to do whatever he can to make sure those guys know what they're doing,

07:28you know, what the defense is doing and how they're supposed to attack it during the week.

07:33So give me one example.

07:34Give me, give me a time.

07:35I know he did this time and again, but like one that really stuck out or like, wow, dude,

07:40like this is a holy shit kind of detail and whether it paid off or not, you're just going,

07:45that's a type of level of nuance that, you know, you had plenty of coaches at Wisconsin,

07:48you know, plenty of other coaches around the league high school, but you go, this explains

07:52Josh McDaniels, this one part of his preparation.

07:55For me, just like one game plan that always sticks out is in my second season when I really

08:01first, you know, started playing after Deion Lewis got hurt, we were playing the Jets at

08:07home and either I think Rex Ryan, either Rex Ryan or Todd Bowles was the, was the head

08:13coach and they always send a ton of blitzes and like all that stuff and then their defense

08:18line was great.

08:19Like that was the strength of their team with, with a Sheldon Richardson, was that Mohammed

08:25or Wilkerson and then they may, they may even had Leonard Williams at the time too, or they

08:31had like a ton of first round picks up front and like in the, in the meeting, you know,

08:37we've like all throughout the week, we pretty much were saying, we're not going to run the

08:41ball since we're not going to run it very much.

08:43I don't know what the total of runs we had in that game, but from what I recall, it wasn't

08:48very many.

08:49We went into the game, you know, kind of anticipating that, that we would have to, you know, throw

08:53it to win and I, and you know, that requires a ton of blitz pickup for a third down back.

08:59Obviously, we're going to drop back and throw it all the time and I feel like I picked up

09:02like 10 blitzes, you know, the entire game had like a few catches or a few touches, but

09:09just going into that one, just saying like, we're not going to do much of this.

09:13We're going to do this in order to win and going out there and doing it, but pretty sure

09:17the game was, you know, pretty close to, we ended up winning it, but yeah, just us

09:21believing in, you know, what he put in that week, you know, just completely almost abandoned

09:26the run game and going out there still winning the football game.

09:29I feel like not many people will, you know, kind of conceive like that, that go into the

09:34week, but as long as everybody believes in what you're, you know, putting in, what you're

09:38saying and what you're actually believe what's going in, it can happen, it can work.

09:43So here are two players that outrushed you, James, and you had the, uh, you had two carries

09:47in this game, Ryan Fitzpatrick ran for 25 more yards than you did.

09:54Yeah.

09:55Yeah.

09:56Yeah.

09:57I probably had like three catches and probably like two carries or something like that.

10:01You want to know?

10:02Cause obviously I'm looking at the text here.

10:03You had two carries for four yards.

10:06Okay.

10:07Tom led all of you with four carries for 15 yards, one of which was a scramble and there

10:13was a touchdown in there somewhere else.

10:14LeGarrette blunt though, you, all of you blew him away.

10:18Three carries minus three yards.

10:21He went backwards a good 10 feet.

10:23Yeah.

10:24That's, but we went into the game.

10:27That was the game plan though.

10:28Right.

10:29Right.

10:30That's it.

10:31That was our mindset.

10:32And I said, we respected what they had up front.

10:33And I said, we put in a certain game plan to win the game and we executed well enough

10:39to beat them.

10:40And I said, their defense was there with their strong suit of their team.

10:42They had a lot of good players and I said, and that was the year we, we shuffled a ton

10:47of, you know, all this line groups and all throughout the year.

10:50So I would say that wasn't necessarily our strong suit that year.

10:54So that, that's probably a part of why you went in with that game plan too.

10:58Yeah.

10:59You had a total of nine carries, 54 pass attempts.

11:02And honestly, I would assume back in the day you weren't running zone reads with Tom or

11:08any Ash cameras for those four carries that he had were probably a few scrambles, which

11:13really means this is about like a 56 to seven ratio pass to run.

11:18Yeah.

11:19Yeah.

11:20There you go.

11:21The other thing about that too, when I think about Josh and the last offenses that you've

11:25seen is there's been a lot it's, they're basically been one back offenses, right?

11:30And so when defense is coming and they prepare for you, you know, there are certain limited

11:33number of protections that you can run a certain number of schemes that you could run.

11:37And then we all know the Patriots kind of dabble with, oh, Hunter Henry, come on back,

11:40you know, put your hand down.

11:41You're gonna be a fullback here, but no one's really all due respect to Hunter has been

11:44on the show.

11:45Like he's not James Devlin.

11:46Okay.

11:47He wasn't even a Landon Roberts in 2019.

11:50What does introducing a more of a two back running game with the fullback or sometimes

11:55you guys were running pony and it's even Rex in that package is two halfbacks.

11:58What does that do to defenses that we haven't seen since Josh left?

12:01I mean, I, I love, I know I didn't carry the ball a ton throughout my career, but you know,

12:07in college, you're running about behind a fullback a ton.

12:09I love running, you know, with the lead blocker, they kind of set the tone, not an office line

12:15system too, but having a full bike, they set a tone, you know, for the entire team with

12:19their physicality, you know, with their presence and you know, in this era of football, not

12:23everybody's seeing that from week to week.

12:25So it gives them an extra thing to prepare for and they can get involved in the passing

12:30game too, you know, based off of play action and sneaking those guys out as you see, you

12:34know, with San Francisco 49ers, what, you know, Kyle, you check his versatility, you

12:39know, it definitely helps their offense out a ton.

12:42You can line those guys up on the wing, line them up in the backfield and do a lot of different

12:46things and their versatility, you know, it helps the offense and I think, I think it's

12:50an added boost in this day and age in football because just guys don't know how to prepare

12:54for it and they don't want to deal with it and you probably can ask any middle linebacker

12:58too when you're running like lead plays with a, with a fullback.

13:02They don't, they don't want to see that a few times a game like that's a, that's a tough

13:06and physical, you know, collision, you know, where, you know, they're trying to defeat

13:10a one-on-one block and trying to bring the running back down.

13:13So I think the fullback position, hopefully, you know, it makes its return to, you know,

13:17many more teams and I'm sure Josh will find a way to get a fullback involved.

13:22It's a lot of smoke is what it is.

13:23It's a lot of smoke in the neck roll jersey where I don't care if you're playing in the

13:2790s or James Devlin, no one's messing with that dude who's got the little extra hub kind

13:31of behind his neck because he knows his job is to sometimes snap his neck backwards, taking

13:36on blocks or delivering them.

13:38I hope so.

13:39That's back to it.

13:40It's funny.

13:41I remember, you know, I mentioned Atlanta Roberts who people forget converted the fullback

13:44once James Devlin got hurt, but unfortunate neck injury really ended his career.

13:48And I remember asking bill late in a year during a press conference, like, Hey, you

13:52guys really committed to this two back stuff, like, but you don't have the personnel for

13:56it.

13:57Cause Landon's a linebacker.

13:58Why is this a rare instance where you're committed to kind of scheme versus personnel?

14:02And he basically said, this is a big part of who we are.

14:05This is, this is our playbook.

14:06Like, if we give up on this one position, you can buy it at 25% of your playbook.

14:12And imagine going into games in December and January, you guys are fighting for your playoff

14:15lives.

14:16We were like, Oh, well we only have 75% of our stuff available to us.

14:20And I think you're right.

14:21Since then the game has gone, you know, it's condensing a little bit more, but you still

14:24don't see a ton of two back in the league.

14:27Yeah.

14:28You see more, you see more teams committed to the run game is, you know, it's really

14:31showing a point of emphasis, but not many teams having that, that two back system.

14:35I think for us, like when there's goal lines, short yardage, you know, all those different

14:39types of situation, when you put that full back in the game, they, people have to respect

14:44it.

14:45They have to honor it.

14:46And it, it sets, you know, a few different things up as well in the past game, as I said,

14:49we'll play action.

14:50So it is definitely was a big point of emphasis for James Devlin.

14:55You know, he was a huge part of our offense.

14:57Definitely was tough to, you know, see him go down and Atlanta made some, some cool plays

15:00for us too.

15:01They even getting a touchdown.

15:02Yeah.

15:03Yeah.

15:04Hopefully he brings the fullback back.

15:05Yeah.

15:06All right.

15:07We're going to take a quick break.

15:08And then on the other side, I want to go to the past game because I think when we watch

15:16this Alex van Pelt passing game, you know, it's, it's run first play action heavy, but

15:20when they got dropped back, it's pretty standard stuff that they've carried through the eighties

15:24and nineties.

15:25Like nothing that really scared you, Josh, however, a lot of designer plays.

15:28We'll get into those in one second.

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17:09Now we're back.

17:10A third down call.

17:11I sent this in the email.

17:12You had no objections to the rundown.

17:13I don't know how nitty gritty, but we promised any gritty on the front end.

17:17Can you give us off the top of your head?

17:18Something that was in the playbook, this we're talking third and five or third and seven

17:22and longer where you've got multiple routes, options, protections, like get us back into

17:27the complicated Patriots offense.

17:28We all knew and loved and some of them obviously played it.

17:31It's funny.

17:32Like our, I feel like our play calls weren't, you know, actually I heard like some of Sean

17:38Peyton's like verbiage, like what he was like, we're laying to drew breeds, which sounded,

17:42you know, insane, obnoxious, pretty, pretty obnoxious.

17:46All the, all the words that came out of his mouth, um, for us, the home, the gun spread

17:53right 66 branch, a sneak alert, you know, 72 or 74 rap organs, like something, something

18:01like that.

18:02It's not like overly complicated, but you can go from it being a six man protection.

18:08You know, you get a little first for myself home means I line up outside the formation

18:14outside.

18:15All the receivers get an indicator, you know, for the quarterback man's own indicator, come

18:18back to the backfield, you know, based on what we see, you know, if it's zone coverage

18:23to call, stay on, if it's man coverage, you know, alert to play to the 74, which means

18:28I would hopefully there's no opponent teams watching this, but it means I would free release

18:36and no kind of alert to man-to-man routes for the receivers, you know, and myself, which

18:42I will have an option where I can run a five-yard option route break either way, you know, sit

18:47down for zone.

18:48So if there's different, you know, forms of it, I mean, I'm sure there is longer plays

18:52that we had, but that's like the first one that kind of comes to mind.

18:55Um, yeah, I think Josh's third out package was always, you know, really good.

19:01A lot of times we were coming to the line of scrimmage with no two plays.

19:06If you brought a man, we have a play running zone.

19:08We have a play or if, you know, the team is pretty vanilla, you kind of know what you're

19:12getting.

19:13Yeah.

19:14Maybe we won't do that, but yeah, it was the preparation was definitely there.

19:19I know you didn't play receiver, but as we've established, you carry the ball a little less

19:22than you caught the ball.

19:24Yeah.

19:25The option route that you mentioned, very, very standard HP option route.

19:28If you can think of a receiver route that had options to it, what was a particular route

19:34or concept that had the most options in it?

19:38Like what I'm getting at is like, we talked about the complexity, it can be represented

19:40by a wording and the wordiness of a play call, but I'm talking about one guy's assignment

19:45and you know, he's reading post safety versus split blitz man zone and he could do five,

19:50six, seven different things.

19:51Like how high is that number?

19:52Oh, well, it wouldn't get like that extensive to where you can run, you know, that many

19:57different routes, but like we had like for Julian, a lot of the slot guys, we had like

20:01a read it route where, you know, if we get, if we get man coverage, essentially, you know,

20:06Julian has the whole field to work with, most of them from like outside the formation

20:11to like the slot position on the run, he'll go like in, go in for five yards up for about

20:1710 yards.

20:18Then he can break right, he can break left, like based on the leverage, you know, of the

20:23defender.

20:24So that just all comes down to like repetitions between, you know, the quarterback and the

20:28receiver, you know, kind of getting a feel.

20:30Not all quarterbacks love those, those option routes because they kind of have to wait to

20:34see, you know, where the receiver is going to break.

20:36I mean, maybe like as you build chemistry, you have a better understanding of where that

20:40guy may end up breaking, but I know not all quarterbacks love that, but Julian made a

20:46killing like off of that route.

20:48And I think it's something that every offense should have, you know, in their system when

20:52you get man to man coverage of this, it's tough, especially at the slot position.

20:56You put a guy, you know, in motion, the DB kind of has to back off.

21:00He thinks you're kind of running across or you end up, you know, it's enough to turn

21:04it into essentially a corner route or it can be the crosser.

21:06So it's like a tough spot, you put them in a bind and then like the other receivers are

21:11no fortunate little traffic too.

21:13So you can end up bumping into somebody else.

21:15So there's some, some complexities to it.

21:18I mean, even like we have like a, like an ex pistol route, that's typically like a one

21:24or two man route.

21:25Again, it can be like 22 personnel or 21 personnel and essentially it's like a one-man

21:31route or a two-man route.

21:32It'd be some, some, some, I don't remember all the verbiage, but ex pistol to where it's

21:37like a Randy Moss route where he gets, he literally runs wherever he wants and puts

21:41his hand up where he essentially the point to the angle where he's running the time would

21:46throw it all the way down the field and just make a huge play on it.

21:49That's, those are probably like the two routes and like that man to man cover.

21:53That may not even have to be man to man coverage.

21:55That could be zone coverage as to where, you know, the receiver just steps on the toes

21:59of the safety and whatever way he feels he wants to run or feel like you beat him, you

22:04put your hand in that direction and the ball's going up.

22:08That's a hell of a gig.

22:09You know, like we'll see the city and Travis Kelsey just to get to go wherever the hell

22:13he wants.

22:14And I guess maybe you've earned it.

22:15Like once, you know, you got to go back up there wearing it yet.

22:17Like Randy, when he got to new England, probably was making it there anyway, certainly after

22:20upset.

22:21Then he's like, yep, I'm open.

22:24This is it.

22:25I will say not, not everybody gets the opportunity to run, run those routes.

22:29There's only certain people that they get to do that.

22:32You have to earn it for sure.

22:33And like I said, Jacoby was definitely, you know, one of the best of that, that read it

22:37route that I was talking about as well.

22:39He made, he made a field day on that route too, because he's, he's very good with his

22:43route running.

22:44Yeah.

22:45Uh, anything we missed just about Josh and the complexity of the system.

22:48We can pick your brain all day, but obviously we got limited time here.

22:51So I just want to make sure we're not missing anything.

22:52We talk about Josh's coming back, but fundamentals details are there to back run game.

22:57Passing game is going to give you a lot more option routes, and that'll be interesting

23:00to see how Drake may adjust to that.

23:02What have we not said?

23:03Um, I, I just think for Drake is going to be good with his development from year one

23:08to year two.

23:09Obviously it's going to be a learning curve going from one office to another.

23:13I'm not always the biggest fan of, you know, these young quarterbacks having to switch

23:16systems all the time, but I do believe Josh will be here for many more years for them

23:22to build that chemistry.

23:23You saw what he was able to do with Tom, you saw what he was able to do with, um, Mac Jones

23:29at his, his first season, you know, with how Mac was able to pick the system up really

23:34quickly.

23:35I think Drake can do a similar type of thing, uh, as long as he, you know, puts in the reps

23:39and gets those young guys and office line, everybody on the same page, I think he'll

23:43just learn to have even more command, you know, over the entire offense, be able to

23:48make checks, make Mike points, you know, know where the weaknesses are in a play.

23:53If you get a certain look, you know, have a, have an audible in your mind that you know

23:57you can get to based on, you know, what you're seeing, like kind of get up to the line of

24:02scrimmage.

24:03You have a play called Josh calls to play, get up there.

24:06No, it's a bad look.

24:07Maybe you don't have a alert on the play, you know, to, to get you out of it.

24:11You have a, a base play in your mind already, you know, kind of a, a safe play.

24:16It's like, all right, we're just going to check to this to kind of get us a little bit

24:18of a breather play, get a couple of yards instead of creating a bad play and just forcing

24:23the play and running it just because, you know, Josh called it and maybe he won't have

24:27that, you know, in year one, but as he, you know, kind of goes on and gets more comfortable

24:31with it, you start to become, you know, more of a well-rounded, you know, player learning,

24:37you know, not just what you have to do, learn what the defense is trying to do and knowing

24:40when you have problems.

24:41Yeah.

24:42I, there are so many backup quarterbacks I talked to when you were playing and since

24:47you left or really, really just since you left, because that's when Josh left too, that

24:52just loved his system so much because they felt like they had all of the answers and

24:55this is something that's been verbalized before, but like what you're talking about, Hey, if

24:58I don't have a look, there is a play.

25:00There is a concept we have with options off of that to alert or check to that no matter

25:05what you throw at us, theoretically, and this doesn't always happen, but if we have the

25:09marker last in the whiteboard, which you do often because you control the snap count,

25:15then you can still beat it and I think that's something that has been missing, frankly,

25:19the last few years and it's not always the right philosophy, but it does that resonate?

25:22Yeah, it definitely resonates.

25:24There's always, you know, you know, something you can get to.

25:27It doesn't have to be some crazy play.

25:29It could just be a very basic play that you did on day one of OTAs or training camp that

25:34you know can work against, you know, man coverage, it can work against zone coverage and you

25:38have a couple options.

25:39If it's, you know, zone coverage, I'm working this side of this man coverage, I'm working

25:43this side.

25:44You know what I'm saying?

25:45It's just kind of, I know I hear Tom, you know, talk about all the time, like, and like

25:49his podcast before he took over, like a broadcast and just like a lot of these, some of these

25:54quarterbacks in the league, you know, the coach calls a play, they're just going to

25:57run it regardless.

25:58They're not, you know, really trying to figure out like, is this actually, you know, going

26:03to work based on, you know, what I see, you know, pre snap is like for running, if we

26:09have a man play called and you clearly see, you know, his own coverage and you don't have

26:12an answer to that playing for his own coverage, like why are you running it?

26:16Don't snap the ball, like call, call something else that that can, you know, get you a few

26:21yards that you trust and believe where you don't have to just hold the ball and, you

26:24know, try and force something and create something.

26:26So that's kind of the evolution of a lot of young players and they have to get confidence

26:31with that too.

26:32The more they, you know, see defenses and get a feel for the game, I think that all

26:36comes with it.

26:37All right.

26:38We got a few more for you.

26:39Let's start here.

26:40Your chief of staff.

26:41Congratulations.

26:42Do you walk into this?

26:43Whatever this is.

26:44Ambush Thursday night.

26:45Foxborough paid parents.

26:46They're giving you a job.

26:47You get to hire a couple of coaches or make some suggestions, cloning scar and Ivan or

26:53bringing them to the founding youth is off the table.

26:55Who would you like to see fill out Josh McDaniel staff who would do a good job?

27:01This is kind of tough because, you know, me, I'm only familiar with the for the most part

27:05the coaches that have coached me.

27:06So obviously, I would love to see Nick Kelly come back and, you know, coach the offense

27:11in some aspect, you know, Chad O'Shea, he was a great receivers coach, very detail oriented.

27:17I always give him a ton of credit because he was a he was a red zone guy.

27:20We helped design the red zone plays when when he was here.

27:23So he helped dial up a lot of a lot of good plays for me, help me score a ton of touchdown.

27:27So I'd love to see, you know, Chad O'Shea come back and like I saw like, you know, rumors

27:33of Thomas Brown potentially like joining the staff to some familiarity there.

27:38He took over as a running back coach of Wisconsin a year after I left.

27:42So I got to talk to him and meet him a couple of times.

27:44I know he coached, you know, Sony Michelle, I'm pretty sure at Georgia too, at some point.

27:48So I know he's been a good coach, coach some really good players, obviously thrown in a

27:54tough position, you know, I'm sorry, light one out there.

27:58But don't have a position, you know, taking over as the interim head coach for the Bears.

28:02I thought he did a good job trying to help Caleb Williams like settle in his rookie seasons.

28:08So yeah, I think he'd be a good guy to add as well.

28:10All right.

28:11One more quick break.

28:12We got two more for James.

28:13We'll get him out of here.

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29:50Yeah, you are completely, there it is.

29:52All right, we got the light back here.

29:54YouTube, we're wondering if James is like floating in space.

29:58So I got bad news for you.

30:01Nick Caley, it seems like he's going to interview for the Jets offensive coordinator job.

30:04So I don't think you carry the same vitriol in your heart.

30:07I know you and I have discussed this.

30:08How much Bill, to the bitter end, hated the J-E-T-S, Jets, Jets, Jets.

30:12He might be across the way.

30:13We'll just have to see and deal with that when the time comes.

30:16But let's talk about the new head coach, Mike Frabel.

30:18Okay, you went head to head with him twice on the field.

30:212018, bad, blowout loss in Tennessee.

30:25And a game that no one really played that particularly well.

30:28Obviously the wild card game, Tom's last game here in New England.

30:31Take me through the week when Bill, who obviously knew Frabel quite well,

30:35is breaking everything down about who this football team is,

30:39who this coach is, down to their football soul.

30:41This is what they're going to do.

30:42This is how they're going to do it.

30:43What was said?

30:45I mean, when you're facing a Mike Frabel team, you know,

30:49they're going to play hard.

30:50They're going to play physical.

30:51They're going to be tough.

30:52And, you know, you're going to have a bunch of guys that are going to play for him.

30:55You know, he's a guy who played in this league.

30:57He's a guy who had a ton of success in his league.

31:00He's coached at the college level.

31:01I competed against him, you know, there as a coach at Ohio State,

31:05you know, all the way to the NFL with the Texans and with the Tennessee Titans.

31:09And, like, he talks stuff just like, you know, one of the players and everything else.

31:14So I think he'll bring great energy, you know, for those guys.

31:17It'll be something, you know, kind of similar to, like, a Bill Belichick type of system

31:22with his own, you know, kind of spin to it.

31:24He's going to have those meetings to where, you know,

31:26those guys are knowing their opponent and everything like that.

31:30So, yeah, when you're facing a Mike Frabel team, they're going to be detail-oriented

31:34and it's going to be a physical football game.

31:35So I think, and I saw with Terrell Williams too with, you know,

31:39kind of his point of emphasis.

31:40I want violent players.

31:42And that's, like I said, I think that's the type of system that, I believe that.

31:45That's what they're going to be, you know, all about.

31:47Not to say that everybody's going to be the most physical person in the world

31:50or anything like that, but they're going to have a bunch of guys

31:53and try and find guys that fit, you know, that mold.

31:56So, and I think it's good because, especially this year,

31:59we lacked a ton of physicality at the point of attack.

32:03So I think that point of emphasis will be really good for this team.

32:07I remember 2018, they got you with some cross dogs.

32:12They didn't blitz a whole lot.

32:14And they played some inverted cover too.

32:16So is that, we're talking spin the dial, defense is back here.

32:19Do you remember any particular plays that, or the wildcard game,

32:22where it was like, oh, that's a wrinkle.

32:23And you know what, honestly, they got us.

32:25Yeah, we played them in 2018, I believe.

32:28They brought a bunch of different blitzes.

32:30I've had to pick up Logan Ryan quite a few times in blitz protection.

32:33Him, you know, blitzing off the slot position.

32:36They brought, you know, linebackers and everything else.

32:38So they definitely, you know, will spin the wheel.

32:40They're going to be aggressive.

32:43I think it all starts, you know, up front, you know,

32:45with their defense line.

32:46In Tennessee, they had good players up front.

32:48They had some good linebackers too.

32:50I think that front seven is a huge part of their defense.

32:54Yeah.

32:55So you want a Jeffrey Simmons trade?

32:56I advocated for one last week.

32:58Oh yeah, for sure.

32:59I saw his tweet.

33:00I saw his tweet.

33:01I was about to comment on it.

33:03Go ahead, man, pack your bags.

33:05We'll take you too.

33:06Let's top you.

33:07Let's top you.

33:08That sounds like an excellent recruiting pitch.

33:11I should have.

33:12I should have sent it.

33:12I never, never too late.

33:15Never has.

33:16Well, I hope you never tell me to pack my bags

33:17because that means we're never doing this again.

33:19Always a treat.

33:20My friend, James, I treasure your time.

33:23You being on the podcast and sitting in the car

33:25and chatting with us.

33:25We've had one other person do this, Michael Hollick.

33:28He did a whole hour with us.

33:29And we were talking about Bill left.

33:31I don't know if you ever met Michael, but I was shocked.

33:32We just kept going and going.

33:34It honestly went pretty well.

33:35Maybe we should do this more.

33:36It should be someone so from the car joining the podcast.

33:39Yeah, very, very authentic.

33:41You know?

33:42All right.

33:43Best of luck.

33:43We will continue to push for you

33:44to be the assistant running backs coach,

33:46even if you are doing so against your will.

33:48James White, everybody.

33:49We'll have you back later this year.

33:50And great to see you, my man.

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