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00:46Gregg, the first thing I want to ask you about is Dante Skarniecki.

00:50And I want to ask you about Dante because you were the first person to write about the

00:55possibility of him floating around.

00:57Now, you mentioned multiple times on the podcast earlier this week, or maybe it was even late

01:02last week, I can't remember, that Skarniecki, you know, two people you spoke with kind of

01:09downplayed it.

01:10One person said that he could, you know, play a role as an advisor, consultant, but he would

01:16be there as like a sounding board for McDaniels and maybe Doug Moreau.

01:19So that was the first thing that came out.

01:22Bill O'Brien on his podcast came out and said that Skarniecki had already been at the

01:27facility, had already spoken to Moreau a couple of times, and pretty much that Skar was going

01:34to be an advisor.

01:37And Skarniecki goes on the Gregg Hill Show this morning on WEEI and says, nope, I'm not

01:43working with the program.

01:44I have not been advising.

01:46Pretty much I've got nothing for you.

01:49Is this Skar being humble?

01:52Is it he doesn't want to step on toes?

01:54Is it semantics?

01:56Are they just playing semantics games here where he doesn't have the official title as

02:00an advisor and maybe not getting paid, but he's kind of floating around?

02:04What the hell is going on with Dante Skarniecki?

02:07I wasn't aware that he went on the radio today and said that.

02:15Let me see.

02:16How do I term this?

02:17Because I love Dante.

02:18And I think I sort of said on Monday when we last talked that I would be surprised if

02:27you see any traces of Dante Skarniecki anywhere, like on the practice field.

02:35I'll just say this.

02:37And Dante, and I talked about his sort of military background.

02:47He's always been team first.

02:48He's extremely humble.

02:50He wants no attention for himself.

02:52It drives him crazy.

02:53I talked about that on Monday.

02:55To me, this goes in line with this.

02:59Now, as far as describing exactly how involved Dante is going to be.

03:06I think it's an evolving thing, but I think, and I bet Bill O'Brien, as soon as I tweeted

03:13out what he said on this podcast, which it's a fabulous podcast, by the way, I mean, nobody

03:18tells stories like Bill O'Brien, he's awesome.

03:22But he kind of flaps his gums and sometimes he says too much.

03:27And I bet you he got a little flack for what he said.

03:33I think Dante is going to be involved.

03:35I think he's an advisor.

03:36I think he's already been there.

03:38I think he's just helping.

03:41He's just trying to be helpful in whatever way he can.

03:44Dante is not somebody who's going to overstep.

03:47He's not going to want an office.

03:48I mean, maybe they give him an office, but I see him being more active sort of in the

03:54off season teaching, whether it's Doug Marone.

03:58Now we know after Vrabel announced the coaching staff, there's two assistant line coaches,

04:03which I love, Hoff Tolling, and also Kugler, who is being retained.

04:10And like we said, when he was hired last year, I've heard nothing but good things about him

04:14and including, I continue to hear good things about him from the new people that are in

04:19the building that are just working with him for the first time.

04:25There's going to be a transition, like we said, and I know some people are still asking

04:30like what kind of scheme that they're going to be running.

04:33I'm telling you, it's Josh McDaniel's scheme.

04:35It's Josh McDaniel's terminology.

04:37Are they going to do some different things?

04:39Yes.

04:40But the foundation of what the Patriots are going to be doing are what Josh McDaniels

04:45and Dante Skarniecki have done for years.

04:47And I think while Doug Marone, I think it's going to be an easy transition for him because

04:54he's really based in Sean Payton's scheme.

04:58And those schemes are very similar.

05:00That scheme is very similar to what Josh McDaniels does in terms of how they run play action,

05:06how they block things up.

05:09But there's going to be a transition.

05:10So I think Dante is there for whatever they need.

05:14He's going to be there.

05:15I think this is a case of him being humble because this is just who he is.

05:20He doesn't want to bring any attention to himself.

05:22He doesn't want himself talked about.

05:26And I know that he doesn't want to be called like an advisor or what have you.

05:32If you're giving him truth serum, he would just say, if they need help and they call,

05:38obviously I'm going to be there because I think the world of Josh McDaniels, number

05:41one, but also Mike Vrabel and I'll do anything to help the Patriots be successful.

05:45Yeah.

05:46He said, I have not been helping out behind the scenes.

05:48He said it was, it's not true that he'll be consulting with the Patriots.

05:52My read on it is if he says he's a consultant, if he admits that it could be looked down

06:00upon, you know, when, when talking about Doug Morone, because, oh, does Doug Morone need

06:04a consultant?

06:05Right.

06:06And so like, I don't think scar wants to go out there and say, yeah, you know what?

06:11I'm helping, I'm holding Doug Morone's hand or I'm helping Doug figure this thing out.

06:17Like you said, that's not really scars thing.

06:19That's not what he does.

06:20So I'm not surprised that he said what he said.

06:24And I would just, I would also add this.

06:27I don't believe, I don't believe that bill O'Brien just made this up.

06:32I don't think he goes on his podcast and he's like, you know what Dante Skarniecki is floating

06:37around like he, let's not forget that bill O'Brien is very close with Doug Morone.

06:43Their best friends have been for like 30 years and he's got a great relationship with Mike

06:48Vrabel.

06:49I don't think he just plucks this out of the ether and says, oh yeah, Skarniecki is hanging

06:53around.

06:54He's been there a couple of times.

06:55I agree with you, Greg.

06:56I think, I think, uh, bill said something and Dante probably did not want it out there.

07:03So he went on radio and he squashed it, uh, the best way he could.

07:07But I, I, I agree with you.

07:09I don't think O'Brien's making it up.

07:11And uh, I do think scars the kind of guy who would absolutely help.

07:16He would absolutely help, uh, you know, the situation because of those relationships.

07:19All right.

07:20With all of that said, the staff is officially official.

07:24Let me first ask you, Greg, before we kind of break this down, uh, what is your biggest

07:29takeaway about this coaching staff under Mike Vrabel?

07:34Good question.

07:35Um, let me just call up the staff because I did, uh, I thought I had in front of me.

07:40I don't.

07:41Um, their biggest takeaway is experience smart, proven, um, a good mix of experience

07:56and youth, but very bright, uh, the ability to be coached by, you know, the head coach

08:04and the coordinators, um, at the end of the day, you know, there's been a lot of discussion

08:10about this.

08:11Uh, you know, certainly I've been, I've been a part of it over the past week, um, or past

08:18couple of weeks.

08:20You know, the bottom line for me is especially with Scarnecchia being around, you know, I

08:26think I said this on Monday, you know, it's sort of like, you know, Jules and Pulp Fiction.

08:29Oh, you send in the wolf.

08:31That's all you had to say.

08:33Um, you know, now that I know that Dante is going to be around to help things and help

08:38the transition and translate, uh, McDaniel speak into other things for the line coaches

08:46and, and the other positional coaches.

08:49Um, I think this is a pretty impressive coaching staff.

08:53I mean, I know there's no alignment on the offensive side from the coordinator to the

08:59assistant coaches, but you know, that's not always a bad thing.

09:04And that, that Rabel and McDaniel's worked in lockstep to formalize the staff, um, to

09:11me is a great thing.

09:12I mean, like I think, you know, between Marone and Todd Downing and Tony Dews, you know,

09:18you're talking about really good, uh, professional coaches who have a lot of experience and then

09:25you mix in like, you know, Thomas Brown and Ashton Grant, uh, you're talking about young

09:31up and coming, really bright people.

09:33You know, like we said, I think we said this before.

09:35I mean, Thomas Brown went from college football to one year on Sean McVay staff to being an

09:40assistant head coach.

09:41Yeah.

09:42Like if that doesn't tell you something about the guy, I don't know what to do, but I, I

09:47think at the end of the day, it's a, it's an oppressive group.

09:51I think, uh, we can put an end to all the nonsense from the end of Belichick to Mayo's

09:58coaching staff last year.

10:00Like this is a real professional football staff.

10:04I think my biggest takeaway is that this is not Tennessee part two.

10:09Um, and for whatever reason that is, there are guys from Tennessee, but I saw a tweet

10:14last night.

10:15I think it was from Paul Kaharski who tweeted out that, you know, it's, it's 10 out of the

10:1927 coaches on this staff that are from Tennessee, from Brable's days in Tennessee.

10:25That's 37%.

10:26So well under 50%.

10:28So this is not, you know, this is not what I think a lot of people thought.

10:31And I think one of the criticisms about Vrabel, especially coming from some people in Tennessee

10:37said, Oh, he's just going to get his old cronies.

10:40He's just going to bring his guys.

10:41He, you know, it's going to be a full on Mike Vrabel operation.

10:45And so this doesn't look that way.

10:47He did bring guys in, which you expect every coach to do from his old stomping grounds

10:52and guys that he has relationships with, but only 10 of the 27 are from Tennessee.

10:56So I think this is much what we talked about on Monday, Greg.

11:00It just feels like they are looking, they are looking for the best and the brightest

11:04and let's bring in some guys who we know are professionals, have experience, can run their

11:11own rooms.

11:12I mean, just the offensive line staff, you know, I really believe is, I don't know if

11:20you could do better.

11:21I mean, the fact that you've got Marone, who's been around the game forever coaching O-line

11:25And I know there's been questions about Marone and those are fair about lack of development

11:29and all of that.

11:31But you've got the guy who's, you know, the study, the steady veteran gruff, as you described

11:36them experienced O-line coach.

11:39And then you've got ho tailing, who's the kind of the affable, you know, I don't know

11:44if he's gregarious, but you know, a little bit of a soft landing spot with how tailing

11:49both of those guys have been offensive line coaches.

11:51They've run rooms.

11:52And then you've got, as you mentioned, Greg, the very well thought of Robert Kugler staying

11:56on as an assistant.

11:57I mean, that just, if you compare this offensive line coaching staff and that's not even involving

12:02scar with whatever role he's playing or not playing, man, compare this with the staffs

12:08that we've seen.

12:09It's Adrian Clem, Matt Patricia.

12:13This is just, it, it just makes me almost laugh borderline laugh at the prior iterations

12:22of the O-line coaches of the past couple of years.

12:25Yeah.

12:26And, and one thing I'd like to add to that, and I totally agree with you.

12:29I mean, everybody knows the way I feel about the offensive line and how important it is

12:35and how disappointed I've been in recent years on the way that the Patriots handled that

12:41line.

12:43You know, what's interesting is like this rarely do you see, I mean, like, I don't go

12:48through every team, but I can't remember the last time I saw three offensive line coaches.

12:53I'm sure it happens.

12:54And, you know, there's usually some helpers with, you know, certain techniques and things

12:58like that.

12:59But, you know, and then you also throw Scarnecchia into the mix on, you know, you know, possibly

13:05helping away from the bright lights and everything.

13:10What's interesting to me, Nick, is that, you know, with three guys and I was talking

13:15to somebody at the senior bowl about this and, and they were, they were giving examples

13:20on like how the Patriots have fallen behind as far as some of their staffing.

13:26And there's a feeling in, and this is like, not just on a coaching staff, but like as

13:32a whole in terms of player development and things like that.

13:36And, you know, they, they remarked about how, you know, they fallen behind and there's,

13:41there's a sense in the building on people who have been there that Vrabel has the type

13:48of cache with the crafts and McDaniel's does as well, that they can actually get some things

13:54done.

13:55Like it was one thing for those people, whether it's Elliot Wolf and Alonzo Highsmith and

13:59Pat Stewart to say, you know, this is how other NFL teams do things.

14:05This is what we need to do where we don't have these departments and we're not doing

14:10this.

14:11But, you know, maybe the crafts don't really, they're like, well, you know, are you sure

14:15you really know what you're talking about?

14:16You're new in this role, that type of thing.

14:18But with Vrabel there, they feel like they're, they feel like they might actually be able

14:22to get things done.

14:23And I wonder if this is an example, you know, talking to that person at the senior bowl,

14:28they were pointing out how the Eagles have a vast player development department.

14:36And you know, it's not just helping players transition to being pros.

14:39That's part of it.

14:41And the Patriots, I think have fallen behind there.

14:44But in terms of developing players, like it was pointing out to me that Connor Barwin,

14:49the former NFL player is, has, was brought back to the organization and his only role

14:55on the team is to coach up the bottom of the roster, practice squad guys, you know,

15:02the 53rd, 52nd guy, you know, it just to coach them up.

15:07Like he spends time, he goes over because the positional coaches don't have time to

15:11do that during the season.

15:13So you see a team like the Eagles and, you know, lose people with injury.

15:16You have these guys ready to go.

15:18And I, I look at that offensive line staffing and I'm like, I wonder if one of these guys,

15:24whether it's hoteling, which his nickname is Haas, from what I understand, or, or Kugler,

15:32yeah, or Kugler, are one of those guys going to be responsible for the development of the

15:39younger guys, maybe who aren't in the top seven or eight practice squad guys.

15:44And it also leads me to question, is this an indication that the Patriots might go really

15:49young on the offensive line, that they might go heavy offensive line in the draft instead

15:55of free agency?

15:56I mean, I don't think that's the case, but it definitely leads you to think like, it

16:02seems like they're putting a priority on development of the offensive line, which they should.

16:06And everybody knows I'm in favor of that.

16:10But it'll be interesting to see how this plays out.

16:12Well, we can't forget about Mike Rabel's introductory press conference.

16:16One of the first things he talked about was the offensive line and, and, and, you know,

16:20making sure that they've got that figured out, which all of us have been just waiting

16:24years for that to happen.

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18:54Couple more things about the coaching staff before we move forward.

18:57Duran Mayo stays.

18:59Uh, I text you this yesterday.

19:01I said, I said Gerard's brother is still on the staff.

19:04Uh, I was surprised.

19:06Were you?

19:07Yeah.

19:08Um, I'm extremely surprised.

19:11I, it's not something I would have done.

19:15I think they need a, uh, clean break from all things Mayo.

19:20I mean, you're just inviting, I mean, it's a little bit disappointing to me because this

19:23is more of the bullcrap that's gone on the past couple of years.

19:26I mean, you know, whether it's Gerard Mayo's succession contract or keeping Brian Belichick

19:33on staff, um, look, I, I have respect for all those guys and I'm sure they, um, certainly

19:42in the case of Brian, I'm sure he was like, uh, a professional and everything.

19:46We know that Gerard had his share of issues, uh, his final season as an assistant coach,

19:52uh, with that succession contract and like, I don't know, there just seems to be some

19:57drama feels like there's some drama underneath between Gerard and the Patriots.

20:02And now you have, now you have drawn in there and you know, those strength coaches are,

20:08are among the closest to the players.

20:12And I don't know, I just would have done a clean break.

20:15I mean, at least Frank Perino is there as sort of the director and if things don't go

20:20well, uh, you know, he, he could deal with it and nip it in the bud, but, um, I mean,

20:28I guess it would sort of throw cold water on, you know, all the, the various internet

20:34rumors that are out there about Mayo and the crafts and his contract and things like that.

20:41But it also leads you to think, okay, was this part of some sort of deal that, you know,

20:49that maybe Gerard is like, I'll go quietly into the dark, but you know, you gotta keep

20:53my brother or something like that.

20:55I mean, it's just that when you, when you retain a, uh, a presence like that, these

21:01are the type of questions that get asked.

21:03Well, a little, uh, quid pro quo action.

21:06The other thing that stood out to me, I'm not a fan of this is that there's no assistant

21:10wide receivers coach.

21:11A lot of teams have assistant wide receivers coaches.

21:14Uh, last year, Patriots had Taekwon Underwood.

21:17He is now in Dallas as the assistant wide receivers coach.

21:21This is all on Todd Downing.

21:22I was hoping we would see a former receiver, Greg, uh, that could work underneath Downing

21:28with the guys, uh, on a day-to-day basis about some of the minutia of being a receiver, but

21:33no assistant wide receivers coach.

21:34That's disappointing to me.

21:36Yeah.

21:37Um, I don't disagree with that.

21:39I mean, I do think that, I think that McDaniels will be involved a lot.

21:44Um, that's something he's done in the past.

21:48Um, you know, but who knows, you know, you know, we might see.

21:53Another addition at some point, I guess it's, it could be, but I know that from talking

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22:03a background in tight ends, uh, in receivers.

22:07It's more tight ends and quarterbacks and things like that.

22:10But you know, when you've been an offensive coordinator and a QB coach and the tight ends

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22:31Yeah.

22:32Tyler Hughes, who hadn't coached that position since Juco.

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24:18Miles Garrett wants out.

24:20He went public.

24:22If you were the Patriots and, and look, we all understand that Miles Garrett wants to

24:27play for a contender.

24:29And if he had it his way, new England would, would not be on the radar, but from the Patriots

24:34point of view, Greg, would you be placing a phone call to Cleveland?

24:38Would you be pursuing Miles Garrett?

24:40Well, I certainly would call on anybody and, um, you need to do your due due diligence

24:47to see what the market is.

24:48Um, I mean, I guess I would think about it.

24:51A lot of it would be the, the ask and you're talking to first round picks.

24:57Um, I would definitely not send number four for Miles Garrett.

25:01I mean, you have the opportunity and look, Miles Garrett is awesome.

25:07And he's, he's one of these players that like, there's just not many of them who walked the

25:13planet.

25:14Um, but that being said, the Patriots right now aren't in a position for, to me to, to

25:21go get a Miles Garrett.

25:22I mean, hopefully there'll be there a year from now, two years from now, when you're

25:26sort of looking for the icing on top.

25:30Um, you know, I think this team needs to be more about, uh, investing in younger players.

25:36I mean, you know, whether it's Abdul Carter or Mason Graham, like, you know, you're talking

25:42about a guy that you can draft, have control over, um, you know, build them up in your

25:48scheme, teach them up.

25:50Um, Miles is great, but to me, that's not the type of guy, not right now.

25:57I think they should be going after, I'd be in on it.

26:00I'd be in on it.

26:00And I talked about this on my podcast yesterday.

26:02If you want to check it out, Nick cattle's Nick cattle show on YouTube.

26:06I would deal the fourth pick for Miles Garrett, and it's a very difficult decision to make.

26:12And I totally understand what you just mentioned, Greg.

26:14And I think it's a debatable topic.

26:16And I understand the thought process of like, no, I would not give up number four, but I

26:20think Miles Garrett, he's 29 years old.

26:23I think he still has at least three to four years left of, you know, top tier play.

26:27He's a generational guy.

26:28We throw that term around a lot, but he is legitimately generational.

26:32I think if he was playing for another team, a lot of people would understand how awesome

26:36Miles Garrett is.

26:38And it's an edge.

26:40It's somebody that you absolutely need.

26:42It's a position of need.

26:44And, you know, I think if you bring him in, I get the Abdul Carter part, but Abdul

26:49Carter prays to be Miles Garrett one day.

26:52And I don't know, I don't know if he'll ever even touch that level of play.

26:57We don't know.

26:57So if I could get a guaranteed stud again, like what's Miles Garrett's one of the top

27:03three or four defensive players in all of football.

27:06And so if, if I can get that guy for, let's say the fourth pick and, you know, maybe

27:11like a pick swap in the mid rounds of this year's draft, I would do it.

27:15I would not go two ones.

27:17I would not go with, you know, a one and a two this year.

27:20I wouldn't extend that far.

27:21I'd say you're getting the fourth pick.

27:23If you're Cleveland, you now have two of the top four picks in the draft.

27:26That should be good enough for you.

27:28Um, so I would draw the line, but I just think that Garrett, he's a game changer.

27:34He could change your entire defense.

27:35And if you went into next year with Garrett on the edge, bar more fingers

27:40crossed back in the middle and Gonzalez as cornerback one, you've got three

27:45legitimate, you know, blue chip kind of talents defensively.

27:50And yeah, it year one, it might not be great in 2025.

27:53You might win seven games, but he's like, he's going to be 30 in year two in 2026.

27:59So a 30 year old Miles Garrett with a team that, you know, after two off

28:03seasons should be talking playoffs.

28:05It's a tough decision, but I would do it.

28:07How about Cooper cup?

28:08Because, uh, the Rams are going to trade Cooper cup, or at least

28:11they want to trade Cooper cup.

28:13Uh, what would be your limit for Cooper?

28:16Oh, that's a good question.

28:17Um, you know, some, well, it depends on how much, if any money the Rams eat,

28:22which they've done in the past, um, that will change the compensation.

28:28Uh, maybe a future three, maybe, but I, you know, I will say I've

28:35changed my mind on Cooper cup at first.

28:37Like I'm not, I'm not interested in the Patriots, like getting older,

28:43bringing down, you know, broken, broken down players.

28:47Like they need to, they need to do this thing the right way.

28:49And like, I want them to do it.

28:51Like the commanders have done it, which is like a, basically a bunch of like

28:56mid-level free agents that the coaching staff and front office know have some

29:01background with and, you know, nail the draft.

29:04That's what I want the Patriots to do.

29:07Um, that being said in like Cooper cup, you know, he's a bit expensive.

29:11You can say anything you want about the guaranteed money or like, he's

29:14got a roster bonus in March, you know, but the bottom line is, you know, right

29:19now, you know, he's set to make like, I don't know, like 17, $18 million next

29:24year, um, which is really rich.

29:27They're going to have to, if they do it, they're going to have to redo the

29:29contract.

29:30Um, but so I was sort of against it.

29:33Like, I don't want to, I don't want an older guy.

29:35I don't want an older, expensive guy.

29:37Um, you know, I'd rather go a different route and especially, you know, with,

29:42you know, T Higgins or whoever available in free agency, like I'd rather go that

29:46route.

29:47However, I've changed my mind because I heard Andrew Whitworth on with, uh, Zolak

29:53and Bertrand, uh, today from radio row and how Andrew Whitworth talked about

30:00Cooper cup, about how smart he is, about how he's going to be a, he's going to be

30:04a coach about how, you know, he, he had, he, he, he thinks of the game in a

30:10different way and would, you know, basically like suggest things in terms

30:15of like, you know, how to change blocking assignments and, you know, certainly

30:19routes and how he basically, you know, it's, he, he runs the receiver's room.

30:25He's the one that, you know, taught Puka Nakua, like everything that he knows

30:32about that offense and how he's become so good so quickly.

30:35Like when I heard all that stuff, I was like, how did the Patriots not bring

30:40in a guy like that with what's going on in that room right now, or what has gone

30:45on and also the value that he could bring to Drake may, and also I think the value

30:51that he would bring to Josh McDaniels, like he'd be a guy that, you know, he

30:54could talk about with X's and O's and adjustments during the game.

30:58Like, I just think the value, even if he got hurt, even he'd still be around.

31:04Uh, I just think the value that he would bring to the room to Drake may, I think

31:10it makes it worth everything for a couple of years and on cup, I would be in on

31:16Cooper cup.

31:16I wouldn't give up more than a fourth round pick for him.

31:19I think that's fair value because of the contract, because he's going to be 32 in

31:23June because he's missed a lot of games.

31:25I mean, if you acquire him, you know, he's going to play probably 10 to 12

31:29games and that's it, but he's your best receiver when he walks into that wide

31:33receiver room day one, he's better than anybody they have right now on this

31:36roster, I don't think it's necessarily close, even at, you know, the advanced

31:41age, quote unquote, I think he helps the room vet leadership.

31:45Uh, I think he could still be productive.

31:47Is he going to be a guy who catches six, seven balls a week?

31:50No, but I'll tell you, Greg, what I would do is the first thing I would do.

31:54As soon as I saw this story pop up, as soon as I saw, uh, Cooper's social media

32:00post, if I'm Mike Vrabel, if I'm Josh McDaniels, Hey, Thomas, Thomas, come

32:06here for a minute, I call Thomas Brown in and I'd say, tell me everything you

32:11know about Cooper cup because Thomas Brown was there when Cooper cup was at his

32:15best and you know, Brown didn't work with receivers.

32:19He was tight ends, coach running backs, coach assistant head coach, but he

32:22certainly has info and Intel on Cooper cup.

32:25So I would bring Brown in and say, what are we getting with this guy?

32:29And I think because Brown is your passing game coordinator and he

32:33has the history with Cooper cup.

32:35I think that's another reason why you would bring them in.

32:37Because I would imagine that Brown has ideas how to best

32:40utilize him even at 32 years old.

32:43So I would pull the trigger.

32:44I think you could rework the deal.

32:46You have all the leverage.

32:48I think you could get, you know, a two year deal out of Cooper,

32:51not pay him a ton of money.

32:53Uh, you know, I saw Spodrack's valuation has it like two years, 22 million.

32:58I think you could talk to Cooper and say, look, we're going to extend you.

33:01We'll give you a two year extension.

33:03Uh, you know, we'll give you two years and 24 million.

33:06We'll, we'll give you some of that upfront with a roster bonus or whatever

33:08we've got to do a signing bonus.

33:10And I think he's the perfect, you're not bringing them in.

33:13You're not going to bring them in.

33:14This isn't a miles Garrett situation.

33:16Okay.

33:17You would not be bringing Cooper cup in to be the number one receiver.

33:20But if he's your, if he's your third guy, if he's like a two B slash three,

33:25depending on what else you do, I'm in on it.

33:27All right.

33:28Before we get to the super bowl, Greg, one more thing.

33:31Sure.

33:32Sort of while we're talking about players and possible available players.

33:35Um, cause I was looking at this earlier, you know, and I know you're

33:38a big fan of this potential move.

33:40So I was looking at like what Eric Dacosta said about Ronnie Stanley.

33:44And maybe you've already been over this on your own podcast

33:46because you're a nut like that.

33:47And probably, you know, reading all this crap.

33:49Um, but, you know, I was looking at, you know, cause they have a couple of guys.

33:55So they have Stanley, they have McCurry, the more interior guy.

33:58He's, you know, he's versatile.

34:00He can play a bunch of different spots, but you know, Eric Dacosta was asked

34:04about those two guys in his end of season press conference and, um, you

34:10know, looking at his comments, like, first of all, he didn't call

34:12either of them by their names.

34:14Um, he didn't say anything close to, uh, you know, Ronnie's not going anywhere.

34:22He's, you know, he's a building block.

34:23Like, you know, he, he actually more talked up about how, uh, they have good

34:29young offensive linemen that offensive linemen get better as they get stronger.

34:35And I don't know, cause apparently one of the options is they take

34:40Rosengarten from right tackle where he played well this year.

34:43And this is one of the guys we talked about in the past that the Patriots

34:45should have been interested in drafting and, you know, playing him on the left

34:51side, I, and plus we all know about how the Ravens are obsessed with comp picks.

34:59And yeah, and all that stuff.

35:01And so I reading the tea leaves, I think Ronnie Stanley might get to

35:06market, which, uh, would blow me away.

35:08Look, he's had some durability problems.

35:10You're going to have to go over all that stuff.

35:12I don't think they have anybody on staff that, uh, has come from the Ravens.

35:18I don't think, um, you know, which that sort of limits it, but, uh, I just

35:24found it interesting that, you know, reading the comments, I would not be

35:27surprised if Ronnie Stanley's on the market, which, you know, would probably

35:31make him one of the top priorities from the Patriots, you have to think.

35:35Yeah.

35:35And, and to cost a look at, he did a great interview, Greg, if you

35:38get the time, it's 30 minutes.

35:40Uh, I've got to pump the tires a little bit of Todd McShay McShay show.

35:44He has two interviews coming up.

35:46So he he's got one with Nick Casario coming up soon, but he did one

35:50with Eric Dacosta at the senior bowl.

35:52And it's just the role of a GM and what they do.

35:55And just, it's a fantastic interview with Dacosta.

35:58It's about 30 minutes long.

35:59It just came out a few days ago.

36:01I watched it yesterday.

36:02It's fantastic stuff.

36:04And, you know, I was watching the pod and I was just thinking about like what

36:09Dacosta was saying and relating it to the Patriots.

36:12And it's just fascinating.

36:13You know, he, one of the things he mentions, he's like, look, we have not

36:17been able to find an X receiver, that big bodied guy on the outside.

36:21And he talked about, you know, those guys don't grow on trees.

36:24A lot of teams are having trouble with that.

36:26So when we look at the Patriots, not getting an X, it's not unique,

36:31you know, around the league, it's, it's a difficult guy to find.

36:33He also talked about offensive line play.

36:36Um, he talked about analytics and he mentioned that they talked to a lot of

36:40people from the Orioles organization and how they've beefed up their

36:43analytics the past few years.

36:45And I found that interesting because of course we found out that the

36:48Patriots hired one of the top analysts at the Red Sox back in December

36:53and brought him into the fold.

36:55And that, that made me think that what you had talked about a couple of

36:59months ago about the crafts calling around the league and figuring out how

37:03they can kind of beef up things around Drake may and make the operation better.

37:07Of course, the cost is a local guy.

37:09I wonder if the cost was one of those phone calls.

37:11And, you know, you also look at, you know, what Cleveland has done.

37:14They, they brought Paul DiBattista from the guardians over to their operation.

37:19So I would suggest watching that 30 minute interview with DaCosta.

37:24Uh, I thought it was fantastic stuff.

37:27And I think if, if you watch it, if you're a Patriots fan and you watch

37:31and you watch it through the lens of the Patriots, you know, one of the things

37:35that stood with me before we get to the super bowl, and I was thinking about

37:39what you and I discussed regarding Elliot Wolf and how he was pretty much

37:42holding Gerard Mayo's hand last year.

37:45And people would say, Nick, why are you so hard on Gerard Mayo

37:48and not as hard on Elliot?

37:49Well, I think Elliot will fail.

37:52I've said that multiple times, but here's the difference.

37:56Gerard Mayo has the chance every single week to improve Wolf.

38:03Doesn't when the, when the season starts, the season starts, baby,

38:06your roster is your roster.

38:07You can try to make trades.

38:08You can go to practice squads, but there's very little that you can do.

38:12So if Elliot Wolf is sitting there going, damn it, I got it wrong on this guy.

38:16He can't do much.

38:18He can't do much about it.

38:20And, um, especially a left tackle and DaCosta.

38:24So DaCosta said, which drives me crazy still to this day, people continue.

38:30People continue to act as if the offensive line we saw out there was the

38:34offensive line that was the plan from day one, when we know, we know it wasn't.

38:38And I'm not telling you that the plan from day one would work, but people it's

38:41disingenuous to be like, that's the offensive line they threw out there.

38:45Well, not really after like three or four injuries and a guy quit.

38:49Yeah.

38:49That then that happened, but anyway, DaCosta said one thing during that

38:53podcast and he was talking about being a GM and how Mondays you could talk to

38:59anybody that knows them and people will tell you across the board, he's an a-hole

39:03on Mondays and it's because as he put it, once the season starts, he's a hostage

39:10to like the roster that he knows there's nothing that he can do relatively speaking.

39:15So watching it during the season drives him crazy.

39:18And I thought about the front office last year and all the stuff that they

39:22couldn't do, and I'm sure they must've been looking at this team going, my

39:27God, what, what, what the bleep.

39:30But they, like DaCosta said, you can't do much about it during the season.

39:33So, uh, I would, I would suggest that that podcast's fantastic

39:39stuff with McShea and DaCosta.

39:40All right.

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41:31All right.

41:31So let's get to the, uh, Superbowl, Greg, Philadelphia tweeted.

41:34Look at you.

41:36I was tweeting while you're doing the reads, you know, and I know that they

41:39don't even show my face during these reads.

41:41So I'm like, ah, I could, I could, I could steal a little bit

41:43of a tweet here for five seconds.

41:45All right.

41:45So, uh, Philadelphia, let's start here.

41:48Philadelphia offense versus the Kansas city defense.

41:50What interests you about that matchup?

41:53So, uh, I think it would be, I'm interested, look, I'm interested

41:59to see how Jalen hurts place.

42:00I mean, I thought he played fantastic in the Superbowl two years ago.

42:03I thought he played great against the, uh, the, the commanders last time out.

42:08I am not a Jalen hurts guy.

42:09There's been way too many games where I think he stunk

42:12and he hangs onto the ball.

42:14But for some reason, I don't know why, but in these big games, he showed well,

42:18uh, to me, it's going to be interesting.

42:20How do the, can Hertz run the ball?

42:24Is he healthy?

42:25Is, you know, do they have the six back offense going, you know, with

42:29Hertz and Saquon Barkley, how do the chiefs defend that?

42:32I think Leo Chanel has a chance to be, uh, you know, sort of a X factor.

42:38Um, you know, how, when does Spags bank bring pressure?

42:42How do they cover, how can they get Jalen hurts to, instead of like, he

42:47just throws outside the numbers.

42:48Can they get them in the middle of the field?

42:50Obviously Spags loves to man up.

42:53I wonder if they throw a curve ball in this game and they play a little bit

42:56more zone and because Hertz is not good at throwing with anticipation,

43:01throwing in the windows, man makes it a little bit easier.

43:05So I wonder if they, if they Spags goes against what he, what he normally does

43:10with two weeks for prepare and goes more zone, um, you know, but look, they're

43:16good, it's, they're going to have to stop.

43:18They're going to have to stop the running game and they're going

43:21to have to make Hertz beat them.

43:24Interesting that you bring up, uh, the zone and blitzing and, and how

43:30Spags will approach this game.

43:33Kansas city, uh, when they, when they zone blitz, they are incredibly

43:38effective when they, when they zone blitz, their number one in the NFL,

43:42Greg in pressure rate, 51% of the time when they blitz with the zone, look,

43:48they get pressure on the quarterback.

43:49Uh, the second best team in the NFL in yards, uh, per attempt

43:53allowed when they blitz zone and Jalen hurts versus zone blitzes.

44:00This goes into exactly what Greg just mentioned.

44:03Jalen hurts has the worst SAC rate in the entire NFL against zone blitzing.

44:08He's taken 10 sacks.

44:10So, uh, that really backs up what you just said, Greg.

44:14The other part of it, of course, is the Philadelphia run game.

44:17Uh, you know, they're, they're number one in the league in time of possession.

44:20They're number one in the league and run rate.

44:22They want to run the football, super conservative offensively.

44:26When you look at the past game, especially since they're, they're

44:29bi-week back in week five.

44:31Um, so will they be able to run the ball there?

44:34They've got the fourth best run offense in DVO, a Kansas city though.

44:38Here's a little nugget from Dan Orlowski this week.

44:41The chiefs have not allowed a 100 yard rusher over their past 18

44:45playoff games that goes back to 2019.

44:49Uh, so 18 straight games, they have not given up a 100 yard rusher.

44:53So let me add to that because I just saw this Spags has allowed a 100 yard

44:59rusher exactly once in his playoff game, a playoff career, 24 games.

45:03That would be Marion Barber, 149 yards in the 2007 divisional game.

45:09Wow.

45:09Marion Barber.

45:11He was a fantasy stud for a couple of years.

45:13Yeah.

45:13Uh, before we get to the, uh, no, let's get to it now.

45:16Philadelphia's defense versus Kansas city's offense.

45:20Uh, so I'm fascinated about what the chiefs do on their offensive line.

45:24How do they match up with, you know, uh, Jalen Carter and Jordan

45:28Davis, who, you know, he only played 13 snaps in the last game, but he was

45:32damn good and damn effective in those 13 snaps, uh, they have a good, you

45:36know, little sub rusher that comes in as well, you know, are they going to

45:40put, are they going to put Tooney at left tackle again, um, you know, or,

45:45you know, do they go a different route that they slide Tooney inside and go

45:50with, who is the guy that they signed?

45:52They brought in who hasn't been healthy yet.

45:53Um, DJ Humphries.

45:55Yes.

45:56DJ Humphries.

45:57Is he finally ready?

45:58Can he play?

45:59Do you do that in the Superbowl?

46:01Um, you know, what's interesting to me is, you know, I, I have a great deal

46:05of respect for both Fangio and Spags, you know, Fangio sort of his, his claim

46:11to fame and sort of what he relies on.

46:13It's not all that different than bill Belichick.

46:15They just do it in different ways.

46:17It's no big plays.

46:19Yep.

46:20Make the, make the other offense drive 12, 15 plays to, to score a touchdown,

46:25play really good red zone, uh, defense.

46:29The thing is, is that going to work against the chiefs?

46:31They don't, they don't get any explosive place.

46:34All they do is go 12, 15 plays to go down the field.

46:37I mean, that's what they do.

46:39So, um, yeah, that's, it's, it's, it's a fascinating matchup.

46:44I mean, I, I, I just think that, you know, between overall, I mean, between

46:50my homes is the better quarterback.

46:51Andy Reed is a better offensive play color.

46:53I like Spags a little bit more than Fangio.

46:57Uh, but you know, there's going to be a whole push and pull

47:00Fangio loves to play nickel.

47:02The chiefs have the ability to go multiple tight ends.

47:04Part of the reason why I picked Noah gray and prize picks, um, you know, can

47:10they get, can, can they block the interior well enough and run the ball well enough?

47:15That's a big key for me.

47:17The chiefs have to be able to run the ball.

47:18They can't go one dimensional in this game.

47:20I mean, they can and still win.

47:22It wouldn't be my preferred route.

47:23But can they get the Eagles out of their preferred nickel, get

47:26Cooper, the gene off the field.

47:28Get them to go more base to defend the run doubtful.

47:32But you know, my homes is my homes.

47:36It's like you and I discussed this before we recorded the pod, which we didn't,

47:40you mentioned, uh, Kansas city and the fact that they, you know, they, they

47:45have this long drive mentality of, you know, we don't need huge explosive

47:51plays.

47:51We'll just kind of dink and dunk you to death.

47:53And that's what Vic Fangio forces you to do.

47:55And Brady did a great job of discussing that, uh, during the NFC championship

48:00game, he mentioned it a number of times, like Fangio's, he makes you earn every

48:05yard, Kansas city this year, number one in the NFL in drives of 10 or more

48:09plays, they have 45 drives of 10 plays or more that's again, number one in the NFL.

48:18So Fangio forces you to be methodical.

48:21Kansas city has majored in being methodical this year.

48:24Offensively.

48:26I would also tell you this Vic Fangio against Patrick Mahomes in his career,

48:33zero wins, eight losses.

48:36He lost six times with Denver.

48:38He lost twice with Miami.

48:40He has yet to beat Patrick Mahomes.

48:43So you want to keep that kind of in the back of your mind.

48:46All right.

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49:13minus one and a half over under 48 and a half.

49:15What are you doing?

49:17I can't pick against the chiefs.

49:19I mean, I do think that I think it's going to be a really, really good game.

49:23The Eagles definitely have a chance to win this game.

49:25And if they win and, you know, rather comfortably,

49:28I wouldn't be all that surprised.

49:30I mean, just because, uh, you know, I, I think that if the chiefs end up losing,

49:36it's because they can't run the ball and they can't defend the run.

49:40Um, that would surprise me, but it's certainly there.

49:44I mean, the Eagle seemed to, you know, between, uh,

49:48Landon Dickerson and Juergens, it seems that they've gotten a little

49:51bit healthier on the offensive line.

49:53They've had the two weeks off.

49:54I think Hertz is probably a little bit more healthy.

49:58Um, you know, but the chiefs in the spot, I just can't pick against them.

50:03I think they had the better quarterback.

50:05They had the better play caller, offensive play caller, and they

50:08had the better defensive coordinator.

50:10And they also had the better special teams guy and Dave tube.

50:12So I just can't, I just can't pick against that.

50:16I'm going chiefs, 27, 24.

50:21Did we pick it?

50:22Did I get the exact, uh,

50:25almost, almost, uh, I hate to do it.

50:30I want Philly to win, but I'm picking Kansas city.

50:34Um,

50:35the little reverse jinx there.

50:37I'm going to maybe, maybe the magic works.

50:40I'm going Casey minus the one and a half.

50:42My final score that I have down is actually 27, 23.

50:46So we're off one point.

50:47I got 27, 23.

50:48So both of us say go with the chiefs and go with the over.

50:52All right.

50:52We'll be back early next week.

50:54Talk more Patriots until then everybody be well.

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