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00:00I'll be right back. Okay so the

00:22last time I did this I killed

00:24the Brent Musburger who is very

00:25much alive but I wanted to

00:26steal his opening live of you

00:28Today instead of Derek Clawson

00:30who we had on a month ago we

00:31had the people's favorite

00:32guest Doug Kaya from the Boston

00:33Herald and a good teammate

00:35because he knows he's coming on

00:36today to admit what we both got

00:37wrong. The central theme of my

00:39column today which is not

00:40exactly the most fun thing to

00:41talk about. Lucky for him

00:42though Christian Barmore is

00:44back but lucky for the Patriots

00:45as well. We're going to get to

00:46that. We're going to preview

00:47Pat's Rams and as I said get to

00:49things that we believe we knew

00:50about the 2024 Patriots or

00:52predicted and ended up being

00:54completely wrong. But the best

00:55part of this podcast and maybe

00:57you disagree. Is that we are

00:59going to help give away two

01:00tickets to Pat's Rams this

01:03Sunday. Now it will be an

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01:12cancer. Obviously again two

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01:18Roy who's been on the show and

01:20we'll be back next week as a

01:21thank you to him. Section 120 I

01:23think it is or 101 row 20. You

01:25can go to the game. Reply to my

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01:30the lowest bid is $200. If you

01:32can top that you can go and sit

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01:37at 10 AM Saturday. We'll get

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01:42You get the tickets. You go to

01:43the game. And who knows maybe

01:44you'll see us there. Was that

01:46wrong? Is that the best part or

01:47are we going to do something

01:47better than that? No absolutely.

01:49And obviously LLS is a campaign

01:51very close to my heart. Lost my

01:53daughter uh in uh in uh January

01:56to AML. So absolutely yeah great

01:59cause um money goes to LLS which

02:02is a yeah like I said campaign

02:03that I support fully. So yeah

02:05that'll be that's huge. Yeah

02:07it'll be great and you're gonna

02:08hear more from LLS uh over the

02:09coming weeks and months from

02:10this podcast and from Doug. In

02:11the meantime Christian Barmore

02:13as I said is back. He has been

02:15out since late July. Got two

02:17practices in. Felt sick. Went to

02:19the doctor. They said you got

02:21blood clots. And five years ago

02:22that meant David Andrews was

02:23sidelined for the entire season.

02:25Christian Barmore is now back.

02:26He is not practicing pad once.

02:28He's been working out for weeks

02:29and months. We do not have a

02:30clear timeline about when or if

02:33he could return. But obviously a

02:35great sign that this dude is

02:36back on the football field and

02:37has 21 days for the team to

02:38either activate him or just

02:39shelve him for the year based

02:40on how he looks. And you wrote

02:41about this today. I didn't. So

02:44tell us about it. Yeah I mean I

02:46would say that overall the

02:47messaging from defensive

02:49coordinator Demarcus Cummington

02:51and from defensive line coach

02:52Sherry Montgomery is to temper

02:54any sort of expectations about

02:56what the Patriots could be

02:57getting from Christian Barmore

02:59this season. The way that

03:00Demarcus Cummington put it was

03:01like if he plays one snap, if

03:03he plays 50 snaps, if he

03:04doesn't play this week, which I

03:05think would be the expectation

03:07based on the fact that he was

03:08not in a padded practice this

03:10week. I think that they should

03:12be trying to ramp him up at

03:13this point. Uh, but yeah, just

03:15the fact that it seems more

03:17likely than not at this point

03:19that he will actually be on the

03:20field for the Patriots is huge

03:22because this is something that

03:23has sidelined as you said David

03:26Andrews for a season. Um, it's

03:28even sidelined players for their

03:30careers. So for a Christian

03:32Barmore to return to practice is

03:34a massive first step. And I

03:36would say that, uh, Devon

03:38Godshaw, fellow Patriots

03:39defensive tackle wasn't

03:41tempering expectations quite as

03:43much. So at least on the player

03:44side, they're like, Hey, we can

03:46get this like great pass rusher

03:48back in there. You can help on

03:49the run, run defense. If he's

03:51in the middle, then you can't

03:52double team or edge defenders

03:53anymore. So I think that they're

03:55like really planning on, on

03:56getting him back in the field.

03:57So maybe that speaks more to the

03:59way that Christian Barmore is

04:00speaking to his teammates. Uh,

04:02but at least from the coach's

04:03side, as I mentioned, definitely

04:06they're saying that like

04:07anything that we can get out of

04:08this guy, even the fact that

04:09he's returning to practice is, I

04:11think as, as DeMarcus Covington

04:12put it like perfect, anything is

04:14perfect at this point. Just the

04:16fact that he is healthy enough

04:17to do this. Yeah, it's, it's a

04:18blessing. And that's true. Like

04:21him just being on a football

04:22field again is a great thing

04:24unto itself, whether he plays

04:26another game, frankly, for the

04:26rest of his career or not given

04:28where the trajectory could have

04:30gone with that kind of

04:31diagnosis. I will say though,

04:32when they talk about taking

04:33things day by day, that is very

04:35often a media stiff arm and

04:38cliche that you go to. But in

04:39this case, Christian Barmore for

04:41the entirety of this year, going

04:43even back to the winter has not

04:44practiced in pads once. So he

04:47needs to feel, look himself and

04:50say, how do I feel the day

04:52after a practice like today,

04:53which again, he has not done

04:54basically since late July or

04:55actually since late July. And

04:57then when it comes time to

04:58practice and pads, I'm sure

04:59he'll be limited that first

05:00practice, but there's going to

05:01be a long ramp up period here

05:02because you just don't get into

05:04football shape. Even if his

05:05cardio is in a good place, like

05:06it's a, it's, it's totally

05:07different for every other part

05:09of his body. Yeah. And

05:10obviously I know nothing about

05:12blood clots. I'm not a doctor,

05:14but even just like seeing how

05:15he would react after like a week

05:17of practices might be good. Uh,

05:19so I really have no idea, but

05:20like you said, it really did not

05:22feel like, as you mentioned, a

05:23media stiff arm to be saying

05:25that he's day-to-day. I think

05:27truly he's day-to-day because

05:29they just don't know how he's

05:30going to respond. You know,

05:31who's happy about this. So like

05:32on, on multiple levels is, uh,

05:33Daniel Echewale, who I think I

05:35hear his knees Creek every time

05:37we go into the locker room.

05:38Cause the poor man has already

05:39surpassed, as I've noted on this

05:40podcast before a career high for

05:42single season snaps. And he did

05:44that a couple of weeks ago. Uh,

05:46so whenever Christian does come

05:47back, it'll be limited in

05:48practice, full practice,

05:49limited in games, full games,

05:51fingers crossed. And then that

05:53will put everyone else in the

05:54depth chart. Like we always

05:55talked about if what number one

05:57receiver ever got to new

05:58England, everyone else goes back

05:59to their rightful spot, right?

06:00Where they should be, you know,

06:01receiver two or three or four or

06:02five, that'll happen here with

06:04Christian Barmer right to the

06:05top. Everyone else below him

06:06goes back to the roles. If, and

06:08when that happens, we don't

06:08know, but obviously it's a good

06:09thing. Now I would not expect

06:11him to play on Sunday, but

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07:18right. Our game today is, uh,

07:21how much egg is on our face and

07:22my column today was what I got

07:25wrong about the 2024 Patriots.

07:27And the origin of this is really

07:28simple. One of the ugliest perks

07:31about being in the media is that

07:33you never really have to own up

07:34to your mistakes because the new

07:35cycle, especially now move so

07:37fast that time just passes on

07:39and you don't have to own your

07:40mistakes in a way that we all

07:41make players and coaches face

07:42the music six days after a game

07:44happens. Then the new one comes

07:45around and we all move on. And

07:48my, I don't know whether it's a

07:50brown egg or white egg. I don't

07:51know how big these eggs get or

07:53if the color even matters. The

07:54largest medium large. Yeah,

07:56yeah. Yeah. Uh, is that I

07:58thought it was short sighted.

07:59It was a word that I use in a

08:00column about a month ago to

08:02start Drake May in week six.

08:04Not only has that proven wrong,

08:07he is lifted up the entire

08:08offense. He's taking control of

08:10the team. He's taking a

08:10leadership and you knew better

08:12than I did Doug Hyde. So let's

08:13hit this one first and then

08:14we'll get to your number one

08:15thing that you got wrong

08:16already. Just 10 games in about

08:18the 2024 Patriots. Yeah, no, I

08:20mean, it's proven correct that

08:22they're putting them in, that

08:23they put them at the right

08:24spot. I think that if anything,

08:25maybe they should have put them

08:27in even earlier. It's certainly

08:29possible that they would have

08:30won that game against dolphins.

08:32If Drake may was a starting

08:33quarterback. And I think that

08:35the big thing is that, you know,

08:37Drake may was impressing

08:40basically from, from the

08:41beginning of his starting

08:42career, but it took possibly

08:45until it really did take until

08:47this week for him to win a game

08:49for him to win a start for me to

08:50not have those backbreaking

08:52mistakes they did against the

08:53Titans. And I think that if you

08:55had sort of started him even

08:56earlier, then like maybe he

08:58could have progressed even

08:59faster. But I mean, Alexander

09:01Pelt was talking about how good

09:02his foot footwork was against

09:04the bears. Uh, we're still

09:05seeing some rookie mistakes, but

09:07they're not like, they're not

09:08rookie mistakes that Caleb

09:10Williams was even making, uh,

09:11in this loss of the Patriots

09:13where he's running into sacks

09:15and doesn't look comfortable

09:16back there. Drake may really

09:17has looked comfortable. So I

09:19think that, you know, I think a

09:21lot of people were on your side

09:23and saying like, why the hell

09:25would you start Drake may

09:26against a team as good as the

09:27Texans? This doesn't make any

09:29sense, but like in the long

09:31term, it didn't make a

09:33difference and you've got to

09:34throw them out there at some

09:35point anyway. And at some point

09:37he's going to be playing a good

09:38team and it didn't hurt his

09:40development by putting them out

09:41there. And so the Texans,

09:42the funny thing was, you know,

09:44is it was a Tuesday. You and I

09:45are supposed to mostly be off,

09:47but of course nobody is. I was,

09:48I was out literally running the

09:49news breaks. I stop and I go,

09:51he's going to be doing a lot of

09:52what I just did, which is

09:53running around, trying to get

09:54home, feeling frantic behind

09:56that offensive line. Because my

09:57line always was just, can we do

09:59better than the worst past

10:00protection in the league, which

10:01the Patriots no longer in that

10:03company, certain metrics would

10:04have them there. But last since

10:05he started, it's gotten better.

10:06And that is not a function of

10:08just, Hey, the mobile

10:09quarterback, isn't taking as

10:10much pressure because he can

10:11run away. It's not that it's the

10:12actual pressure allowed by the

10:14offensive line. Um, yeah. And

10:16they said, look, talking to

10:18people, the difference in their

10:19mind was we would rather have

10:21him here at home than care that

10:22much about the opponent. And I

10:23wasn't that far away. I had

10:25always circled that first, that

10:26second jets game defense he's

10:28seen before similar system of

10:30the Niners and the Texans. They

10:31said, we're going to go ahead

10:32and put them behind the worst

10:33offensive line in the league.

10:34And what matters more to us is

10:36not only being at home, but the

10:37development you just hit on,

10:39like Drake has shown us in

10:40practices, not only from first

10:42three weeks in training camp,

10:43when he was definitively the

10:44worst quarterback when compared

10:45to Jacoby preset, but after

10:47that, and in the preseason

10:48games, better than Jacoby. And

10:50then he got better and better

10:51and better. And they say that

10:52development, the foundation

10:54that Alex Van Pelt has laid for

10:55him, we'll get him through the

10:57danger and his instincts and his

10:59playmaking we'll do the rest. So

11:01we might as well do it now.

11:02What's one or two weeks. We're

11:03at home. Let's go. Let's roll.

11:05And they were right.

11:06Yeah, absolutely. And, uh, the,

11:08the first thing that I got

11:10wrong is actually also, uh,

11:12quarterback related and heading

11:14into the season. I was

11:16convinced. I think it wasn't

11:19exactly a controversial opinion

11:21that the quarterback play for

11:22the Patriots would be

11:23significantly better with

11:25Jacoby reset than it was in the

11:26past years with Mack Jones and

11:28Bailey's happy. And this is

11:31still pertinent to this

11:32conversation right now, because

11:35I, the Patriots made that switch

11:36to Drake may because the

11:38quarterback play wasn't

11:39significantly better with

11:40Jacoby preset at quarterback.

11:42And yes, it was in the way that

11:44I was talking about before the

11:45season that he wasn't turning

11:48the ball over at the same rate

11:49that Mack Jones and Bailey's

11:51happy were. He wasn't making

11:52those backbreaking game ending

11:54mistakes that those guys were,

11:56but as a whole, the Patriots

11:59offense was just, they could not

12:01move the ball with Jacobi

12:02preset at quarterback. He's

12:04averaging 130. He's averaging

12:05138 yards per game to passing

12:09touchdowns in six games, the

12:11one interception, but like, I

12:13don't think that I certainly

12:15didn't, I can't speak for

12:16everyone else, but no part of my

12:19mind would have said at the end

12:21of the season that Jacoby

12:23preset is going to start five

12:25games. He's going to play in the

12:26majority of six games and he's

12:27going to come out of those

12:28games with two passing

12:31touchdowns. As I mentioned

12:32earlier, 138 yards per game. So

12:35yeah, I mean, egg on my face, I

12:37expected Jacoby reset to be more

12:39that guy that we saw in the

12:40past. Let's say like with the

12:42Colts, with the Browns, his

12:44supporting cast in new England

12:46absolutely did not do him any

12:48favors. As you're mentioning

12:49earlier, I think that there is

12:51an element that the offensive

12:52line plays better with a

12:54quarterback as mobile and

12:56talented and can throw down

12:57field as Drake may. But I also

13:00think that the offensive line

13:01was worse, especially in that

13:03middle section of Jacoby reset

13:04where like the, and the step

13:07that I point to is in the game

13:09against the jets, when Jacoby

13:11reset and Drake may both played

13:13significant snaps in that game.

13:15The pressure rate was almost

13:16identical. Like the pressure rate

13:17for Jacoby preset was 30.8. The

13:19pressure rate for Drake may was

13:2030%. So like, I do think that in

13:24all Drake may can help the

13:25offensive line, but the

13:26offensive line was worse for

13:28Jacoby preset. They hadn't

13:30figured out their wide receiver

13:31competent, their wide receiver

13:32situation, the way that they

13:34have now. Uh, but still the

13:36quarterback play wasn't

13:38significantly better, which

13:39could be resetting your center

13:40than it was with Nick Jones or

13:41Billy's Abby.

13:42So a couple of things on this

13:43number one, just to put a bow on

13:45my point about like the reason

13:46they felt confident was the

13:47progress he had shown in

13:49practices towards the end of the

13:50preseason and continued to

13:52ascend is that that development

13:54was the difference between him

13:56and Caleb Williams on Sunday,

13:58Drake May's old bad habits did

14:00not surface in a way that not

14:02only undermined the bears

14:03efforts with Caleb Williams,

14:05bad habits, but completely

14:06sunk them. Like, yeah, the

14:07bears offensive line is bad.

14:08It's not world's worse than the

14:10Patriots. Their pressure rates

14:12were almost identical last

14:13Sunday. And you look at their

14:14pressure to sack ratio. Those

14:16were worlds apart, nine sacks

14:17for Caleb Williams, one for

14:19Drake May. And it wasn't all

14:20often just Keone white or July

14:23to buy bursting through and

14:24immediately getting a pressure

14:25or sack or unblocking Del

14:26Pettis's case. Drake may has

14:27improved in a way been developed

14:29that you have not seen with

14:30Caleb Williams in Chicago,

14:31despite more talent around him.

14:33And that's the importance and

14:34the difference of development

14:35versus support to the point

14:37about Jacoby Brissette and

14:38Mack Jones. It's, it was

14:40similar. It was also much more

14:42boring because like as

14:44disastrous as that was, you had

14:46no idea where the ball was

14:47going to go about, I don't

14:48know, 20% of the time when he

14:50dropped back to pass. What

14:52we're seeing now though, is I

14:53think a really important

14:54difference is the passing

14:55production from Drake May and,

14:58uh, Jacoby Brissette, when you

14:59remove the scrambles is actually

15:00very similar. And it's not

15:02because the yards or the

15:03touchdowns are there. They're

15:04not Drake may as far away

15:05already with the touchdowns.

15:07It's that he's having a much

15:08more high variance play. Like

15:10Jacoby Brissette was right on

15:11the path of mediocrity, did not

15:13take a step or a toe off of

15:14that. Yeah. Drake may is

15:16scrambling all over the place.

15:17He's throwing deeper

15:18touchdowns. He's also making

15:19mistakes like that. Give me

15:20interception to TJ Edwards. So

15:22the Patriots are willing to

15:23survive and deal with those

15:25mistakes because unlike Mack

15:27Jones and Bailey's happy a Drake

15:29may has a plan B. I will just

15:31run and run by you and get 19

15:33yards, a big up first down and

15:35be, he unlocks a deep passing

15:37game both on schedule and off

15:39platform. So the production

15:41really, and the deeper metrics

15:42isn't totally different between

15:43Drake may and Jacoby Brissette

15:44from strictly in the pocket

15:46passing, but his new dimensions,

15:48what he brings just by being

15:50himself is worth it. Not only in

15:51the present, but obviously in

15:52the future when he gets to

15:54mature and then you use those

15:55extended plays to break perfect

15:58defense. Cause that's where

15:58we're at in the league. Like

16:00great offense beats good

16:02defense every time.

16:04Absolutely. And I did think one

16:06interesting thing before we go

16:07on our next topic is something

16:09that Alex and Pelt said today is

16:11that Drake may is going to make

16:14downfield throws like that's the

16:16kind of quarterback he is. But

16:17he also said that the defense is

16:18occasionally going to make plays

16:20on those downfield throws as

16:21well. So I think that Alex Van

16:23Pelt and the Patriots are very

16:24self-aware that there are risks

16:27involved, like turnover risks

16:28involved with a quarterback like

16:30Drake may, but overall, like you

16:31said, you'll take those mistakes

16:33when you throw in all the play

16:34making ability of Drake may.

16:35Yeah, because his turnover

16:36worthy play percent and shout

16:37out PFF for you and I both, you

16:39know, mostly on the same plane,

16:41uh, about it is right where Mac

16:43Jones and Bailey's happy was

16:43last year. Right. Right. But the

16:45reason they sunk is because they

16:46didn't have a plan B right. And

16:47they could not create on their

16:48own. So in that sense, he's

16:50actually very similar to what we

16:51saw last year, just in the

16:52complete opposite way that

16:53Jacoby preset is, um, you take

16:55the worst of the two of them and

16:56then you have the quarterback.

16:57Like no one wants to watch play

16:58anymore. All right. Number two

16:59for me is very quick. I'm going

17:00to read this from a July 21st

17:02story, X amount of thoughts

17:03before training camp contract

17:06issues arise every year on some

17:07level for every team. The bet

17:09here is Matt Judon gets his

17:10race, especially after

17:12suggesting in a recent radio

17:13interview, he doesn't have the

17:14appetite to hold in like he did

17:17last summer. Well, Matthew,

17:18thank you very much for that.

17:20When the lesson learned here, as

17:21much as you talk to a guy and

17:22interview a guy and talk to him

17:23and be around him, I even saw

17:24him at some, um, event that was

17:26out in the seaport a couple of

17:28years ago. It was, it was great.

17:29It's good to chat with him. Um,

17:31he preferred to posture rather

17:34than produce when it came to his

17:35contract, seemed to lose a

17:36little bit of his marbles. And

17:38I've already said the Patriots

17:39won the trade, but I just

17:41figured you would keep the asset

17:42even to deal him later on in the

17:44meantime, you know, keep a guy

17:46like his caliber around. They

17:48didn't, they got what they

17:49wanted anyway. And, uh, I

17:51completely whipped.

17:53Well, I, I think that even

17:54within the organization, they

17:55figured that Matthew Judon would

17:57accept one of the offers that

17:59they put out there and that they

18:01would be able to keep them

18:01around. And obviously that

18:02didn't happen. Matthew Judon bet

18:05on himself. And up to this point,

18:08it's, I mean, obviously there's

18:09still half the season left, but

18:11he's kind of lost the bet on

18:12himself because he's not playing

18:13well with the Falcons. I don't

18:14think that he's going to get a

18:15better offer once he's a free

18:17agent, uh, than, than what the

18:19Patriots were willing to give

18:20him. So, uh, certainly

18:22unfortunate for Matthew Judon,

18:24but the Patriots, as you

18:25mentioned, have come out looking

18:26pretty good by taking a

18:29depreciating asset like Matthew

18:30Judon, trading him for a 2025

18:32third round pick, which is

18:34ultimately like great value for

18:36what they were trading away for

18:38Judah. Yeah. Great. Very, very

18:41like arguably outside of

18:44drafting Drake may possibly like

18:46the second or third best thing

18:48Elliot Wolfe has done for the

18:49Patriots since becoming the

18:50executive vice president of

18:52player personnel.

18:53What else is on that list?

18:55Resigning Christian bar more,

18:56but I mean, we don't know what

18:57that looks like at this point,

18:58uh, because he hasn't been back

19:00on the field. Um, I don't know.

19:04I mean, it probably is number

19:05two. I just, I was, I was saying

19:07two or three, just in case

19:08there was something that I was

19:09forgetting. Um,

19:11there are multiple ways to be

19:12facetious, like, you know,

19:14cutting Juju after one preseason

19:16game. Now, lo and behold, he's,

19:17he's producing in Kansas city,

19:19which is just something I can't

19:20wrap my head around based on all

19:21the football we watched him play

19:22in practice and in games. Um,

19:25but yeah, it's not, it's not

19:26that long of a list.

19:28No, I mean, obviously they

19:29re-signed a lot of their guys,

19:31but like Kendrick Bourne just got

19:33benched. Obviously the situation

19:35with Jabril Peppers was something

19:36that they couldn't envision was

19:38going to be occurring in like

19:43real time, but that has worked

19:45out for captain reliable target,

19:48et cetera, et cetera. Yeah. And

19:49I mean, Devon gotcha. I don't

19:51know where they would be without

19:52him, but he was gonna stick

19:53around anyway. He was under

19:54contract, but yeah, I don't know.

19:56I mean, it probably is number

19:56two. It's probably far and away

19:59number two. Yeah. Yeah. All

20:00right. What's the number two in

20:01your list? Number two on my list

20:02is that, uh, I, and a number of

20:05other people expected Jalen Polk,

20:08uh, to be much better this

20:09season. And so far that has not

20:12been the case. Uh, J Jalen Polk

20:14has, has really struggled, uh,

20:16to find his footing in the NFL.

20:18And I think that maybe this

20:20teaches us something looking

20:22forward about training camp and

20:24OTAs and minicamp because early

20:27on in training camp, I was like,

20:29I was waiting for that next shoe

20:30to drop for like, or I was like,

20:33he was being Jalen Polk was

20:34being targeted on, on downfield

20:36plays and he wasn't making them

20:37and he wasn't making them and he

20:38wasn't making them. And then

20:40finally he broke through, made a

20:42couple of downfield plays, had

20:44some impressive catches during

20:46joint practice with the Eagles

20:48overall looked like their most

20:49dependable best outside receiver

20:51by the end of training camp.

20:53And maybe I was just overrating

20:55the competition that he was

20:55facing, uh, in the Eagles during

20:57practices. Maybe I was overrating

21:00some of the things that he was

21:01during doing during seven on

21:02sevens. Uh, maybe I was

21:04overrating when he was getting

21:05those catches, but he just hasn't

21:07looked like the same player so

21:08far this season. He has 11

21:10catches on 28 targets for 80

21:13yards. This season, uh, has not

21:15even broken the century mark as

21:18far as yards go. And he's a guy

21:19who's gotten a ton of playing

21:20time. And once again, like to

21:23play this kind of hypothetical,

21:24like if you had told me in the

21:28end of August that midway through

21:30the season, Jalen Polk would be

21:32trending to have a worse rookie

21:33season than Taekwon Thornton. I

21:35would have said that is

21:36impossible, but it's currently

21:38the case. I mean, Taekwon

21:39Thornton, at least he had like

21:40260 yards as a rookie. Jalen

21:43Polk currently is on pace for 160

21:45yards. And I think that he will

21:46improve. I think that things

21:47will get better as the season

21:49goes along and he gets even more

21:50opportunities. But like that's

21:52currently the reality of the

21:54situation right now, as I look

21:56it up right now. Yeah. Taekwon

21:58Thornton had 22 catches, 247

22:00yards, two touchdowns. Polk

22:02already has two touchdowns, but

22:04he's not even on pace for 247

22:06yards right now.

22:07It's, it's bad. 11 catches, 80

22:09yards. Uh, he had that stretch.

22:11I repeated the stat to death,

22:1213 targets. He had two catches

22:14and three drops. And before the

22:16win at Chicago ranked dead last

22:18by pro football focus receiver

22:20grades, which I always say, like

22:21you take with a, I don't know, a

22:23bowl full of salt. Uh, but when

22:25they're at the extremes, they're

22:26not wrong. Like the, the eye

22:28test, whatever metrics back that

22:29up. He was also dead last by

22:30average separation of the catch

22:31point when targeted, according

22:32to the next gen stats did have

22:33the touchdown in Chicago. Yada

22:35yada. That was number three for

22:36me. And I was never a big Jalen

22:38Polk guy. I just thought that he

22:40was talented enough. He had what

22:42I described as a mature game, uh,

22:44from a route running standpoint,

22:45versatile enough to play inside

22:47the slot and outside strong can

22:49win and contested catches. And

22:50that maturity just says has never

22:51shown up. There are still seven

22:53more games. Um, he will have more

22:55opportunities. So for my number

22:57three, it was, I thought once

23:00Elliot Wolf took not only Polk

23:01and Jayvon Baker, but also laid

23:03in Robinson in the fourth round

23:04last April, I go, okay, this is

23:05putting the last Belichick draft

23:07class on alert. Like, Hey,

23:09Keisha, I'm booty into Mario

23:10Douglas. You might want to pull

23:11up Zillow here in a second here,

23:13but you know, late summer,

23:14because we've got new guys in

23:15here city. So you might not be

23:17around and city. So then it

23:18starts at left guard for the

23:19entirety of training camp. All

23:21of the preseason gets hurt in

23:22that game for whatever reason.

23:23It's not been the same player

23:24since even when he's played in

23:25regular season games, Keisha

23:27and booty has been their most

23:28consistent receiver the last

23:30four or five weeks. I still

23:31think tops out. It was like a

23:32number four, number five, but

23:34we'll see. He keeps ascending

23:36into Mario Douglas is quote Mr.

23:37Consistent according to ABP

23:38today. So those guys, even

23:42though you had a new regime,

23:43which happens every single team,

23:44every single sport held like in

23:46government. Now new person comes

23:48in, cleans out, you pick your

23:50own people, put them in those

23:51spots. It seemed like Elliot

23:52Wolf was doing that, but Polk

23:54has struggled. Baker can't even

23:55see the field. And you cannot

23:57say either of those things for

23:58booty or Douglas. Um, even

24:00Linden Robinson's getting more

24:01playing time in the city. So

24:02right now, so yeah, I mean, I

24:05wasn't doing it during the

24:05summer, but yeah. Yeah. I think

24:07that they really tried. They've

24:09tried to, to give their own

24:11rookies as, as much, you know,

24:13runway as possible. And it just,

24:15it hasn't paid off. Like how

24:17many times has Leighton

24:18Robinson now been benched? Is

24:19it like two or three times

24:20essentially? Um, and yeah, it's

24:23at least twice. Uh, Michael

24:26Wenu has been obviously a

24:28better option at right guard,

24:29but essentially what they're

24:30saying is that Michael Jordan

24:32is a better option at left

24:33guard than Leighton Robinson

24:34would be. And that DeMontre

24:36Jacobs is a better option at

24:37right tackle than Leighton

24:39Robinson would be at right

24:40guard. So on one hand, good on

24:43Elliot Wolf and his staff are

24:44finding someone like DeMontre

24:45Jacobs who could come in and

24:46start right away, but bad on

24:49them for drafting someone in

24:50the fourth round and Leighton

24:51Robinson who can't start and on

24:54the last regime on city. So

24:56who's the guy who did the

24:56draft in the fourth round and

24:58currently can't start. Um, so I

25:01think the, the idea, the

25:02thinking was right, but in the

25:04case of booty and DeMontre

25:06Douglas, they've just been

25:07significantly more consistent,

25:10uh, more dependable than Jalen

25:11Polak and Jayvon Baker. I mean,

25:13Jayvon Baker doesn't have a

25:14catch yet. We're talking about

25:15Taekwon Thornton and Jalen

25:16Polak. Like Jayvon Baker has

25:18gotten four snaps the last two

25:20weeks. He hasn't been targeted.

25:22I'm still wondering what the

25:23plan there is because like I

25:25said before to media members,

25:26like clearly good enough to be

25:28on the field, working hard

25:30enough to deserve that

25:31opportunity yet. Not good

25:33enough to get a target, not

25:35good enough to play more than

25:36four snaps. So at some point,

25:38like the, I feel like something

25:40has to break there where he's

25:41either going to be back as a

25:43healthy scratch or suddenly

25:45deserving of like 20, 30 snaps

25:46and some actual targets because

25:48right now I don't think it's

25:49really accomplishing anything

25:50for Jayvon Baker.

25:51No. And it's, uh, it feels very

25:54much like a case when you check

25:56in about him, that it's like,

25:58if you don't have anything good

25:59to say, don't say anything at

26:00all. And I think that sometimes

26:03takes players to mature a little

26:04bit behind the scenes. And I

26:06think they would like to give

26:08him those stats, but have not

26:09seen enough either in the

26:10classroom or on the field to

26:13grant him that opportunity,

26:15which he was only a fourth

26:16round pick. But when you have

26:17the talent, the raw physical

26:19talent that he has, like you'd

26:20need to get reps to develop

26:22that. And he's not getting them

26:23because in their minds, he just

26:24hasn't earned it. Or as Alex

26:25van Pelt said six weeks ago, he

26:26doesn't know the playbook

26:28basically, just not, not great.

26:30Um, and it's also the

26:31combination of his talent plus a

26:33strongly, a roster that lacks

26:35talent overall is, is I guess

26:37the way I would say it. Yeah.

26:38Right. Um, you mentioned

26:39Demontre Jacobs. I want to

26:40detour quickly because Alex

26:42van Pelt also said today, why

26:43did Alex van Pelt talk, um,

26:45today? It's a good quote. Good,

26:46good quote. He told us there's

26:49this thing called the pickup

26:50award and they chart not only

26:52plays and personnel and targets

26:54and all the other stuff that you

26:55and I do, uh, and every football

26:57team does. They chart how often

26:59players, meaning the Patriots

27:00pick up other players off of the

27:02ground after a play. And this is

27:04it's not, it's not been picking

27:05up people at the bar. This is,

27:07this is on the field. Yes.

27:08Thank you. Thank you.

27:09Different kind of pickup.

27:10In that case, Demontre Jacobs.

27:11Oh, I don't want to say that.

27:13I, someone else might lead them,

27:14but in any case, on Sunday,

27:16Demontre Jacobs was the pickup

27:17artist of the week, the pickup

27:19award winner. Okay. Um, and he

27:22had 11, which brings me to the

27:24obvious question of if we had a

27:26pickup award for the Patriots

27:27beat, why is Dan Roach winning

27:30and Mike Reese second and no one

27:31else even close?

27:33Yeah, no, I mean, I will, I

27:34might even say that Mike Reese

27:35might be number one, but yeah,

27:37no, certainly. Um, yeah, I think

27:39that they would get that they're

27:40the Demontre Jacobs of the beat.

27:42Absolutely.

27:43I mean, very comparable in size

27:45to, to do my great whole

27:46community. Um, no, we'd have a

27:48lot of people that were close.

27:49Mike, you already, obviously at

27:49the bottom, but that's, that's

27:50just about it. Uh, last thing

27:52you got wrong. And then we'll do

27:53a couple of things we got right

27:54and get to pass ramps.

27:55This one's boring. It doesn't

27:56have to be that long, but I just,

27:57I thought the run game would be

27:59significantly better. Like I know

28:01that it's not based strongly on

28:03the offensive line, but it's

28:05something they really worked at.

28:06It's something that they hyped up

28:08during the summer was going to be

28:10the strength of the team. Something

28:11that drawed Mayo hyped up after

28:13week one, that they were a team

28:14that was going to run the ball.

28:15Uh, they've got the two tight ends.

28:17They, they have still been leaning

28:18heavily on two tight end sets. And

28:20yes, it got better in week 10, but

28:23I've mentioned this before. There

28:24was a four week stretch for

28:26consecutive weeks where running

28:28backs were averaging less than two

28:31yards per carry. That feels almost

28:33impossible in the NFL. The fact

28:35that they even won a game during

28:37that stretch is, is amazing enough.

28:39Uh, it seems like maybe it was just

28:41the bears being dysfunctional, but

28:43the, the, the Russian game did look

28:45better against the bears, but still

28:48I expected it to be the strength of

28:49the team. I expected them to be

28:51relying on it, especially with a

28:53rookie quarterback. And it just, it

28:56hasn't, it hasn't worked so far. So

28:58yeah, that's a, that's the last

28:59thing, last thing I got wrong. I got

29:01nothing else wrong. That's the only

29:02thing I, yeah, I ran out faster than

29:05I thought. And I went back to stuff

29:07I had written in the draft and this

29:08was just contained to things that

29:09I've written, not necessarily said

29:11on radio or podcast or TV or

29:12whatever. Uh, but, but felt pretty

29:14good. There was also this one, which

29:15I've said on this podcast before.

29:16And I told everyone this season could

29:18be worse than last year. We don't

29:20know what's going to happen, but I

29:21will guarantee you this. And this

29:22is the one thing I got right. And

29:23you come up with one, as I explained

29:24here now, the upset is coming. Okay.

29:27Even the teams that pick number one

29:29overall in the draft, the last five

29:30years beat a playoff team on the way

29:32to getting that number one overall

29:33pick, even the bears from three to

29:35three years ago, beat the Niners who

29:37went to the NFC championship game in

29:38their opener and then sunk the rest

29:39of the season. Here's what I wrote

29:41in July 21st. It could be week one

29:42at Cincinnati or when they take one

29:45or two shots at Buffalo in December.

29:46But one of these Sundays, the football

29:47world will turn to Foxborough and

29:49ask in United astonishment, the

29:51Patriots did what we've had two of

29:53those. If you make the qualifier

29:55winning as six point underdogs or

29:57more, it was eight and a half at

29:58Cincinnati. Granted, we don't know

29:59if the Bengals are going to the

30:00playoffs. The jets definitely are

30:01not, I would assume are not either.

30:03Um, but I think it's just a reminder

30:06that not only was just a last year

30:08difficult because it was four and

30:0913, it was one score wins over bad

30:12teams. That's, that's an outlier this

30:15season, even for bad teams is more

30:17representative of what it's going to

30:18be like. And it's nice to have that

30:20kind of surprise back with your

30:21Sundays and it happened.

30:23Yeah, no, absolutely. And I think,

30:24you know, they could certainly

30:25surprise more teams here moving

30:27forward. I think they are an

30:28improving team. I don't think it's

30:29all Drake may. I think overall the

30:30defense has been playing better. Um,

30:33the offensive line has been playing

30:34better. The receivers are kind of

30:36running a little bit more into

30:37shape. So, uh, yeah, no, absolutely.

30:39They, um, they, they've, they've

30:41surprised some people and I think

30:42they could continue to surprise some

30:44people. Uh, one thing that I got

30:47right. So the Drake may would play

30:49early. I think week six qualifies is

30:51pretty early in the season because

30:52other people were saying, you know,

30:54maybe the bi-week maybe like halfway

30:56through the season. Um, maybe London,

30:59whatever it was. And I, and

31:01obviously I came at that with some

31:03inside knowledge. Uh, but it was like,

31:07it was a matter of, it was a matter

31:09of when not if, and it was expected

31:12that Drake may would be taking over

31:14those starting reigns early. So I

31:16certainly was not surprised when that

31:18did happen. I didn't know that it was

31:20exactly going to be against Texans,

31:22but you know, it Jacoby presets

31:26performances obviously didn't help

31:28matters. And we've gotten into this

31:29obviously early in the podcast, so we

31:31don't need to go too deep, but yeah,

31:33it, it ultimately was the right

31:35decision. And, um, I think that based

31:37on how he played at the end of

31:39training camp in the preseason, that,

31:42that showed them that it was going to

31:43be pretty early that he was gonna be

31:45starting.

31:45Yeah. And I want to say too, you

31:47know, not as a way to backtrack,

31:48because again, the title of this

31:49episode is what I got wrong. Everyone

31:51look at the egg on my face, but it

31:53wasn't underestimating Drake may who

31:55we knew as a smart quarterback, a

31:57tough kid, exceptionally physically

32:00talented. As far as we heard fast

32:01learner, because we saw that learning

32:03transpire in training camp, even though

32:05he wasn't getting any starting reps

32:06and it wasn't until the end that he

32:07was better than Jacoby preset, but he

32:09was in a way that was indisputable over

32:11those last two weeks. What I overrated

32:14was the history of quarterbacks playing

32:16in situations like these and didn't

32:18believe that this kid, as much as I

32:19think of him as a prospect or thought

32:21of him as a prospect, think of him now

32:22could overcome that at 22, the league's

32:24worst past protection, arguably the

32:26worst receiving core in the league and

32:27offensive staff that had given us

32:29reason to doubt them in certain

32:30situations. Even Alex Van Pelt after

32:32week three being like, man, I screwed

32:34that one up, you know, score three

32:35points at the Jets with this play

32:36calling. He has, he's exceptionally

32:38secure. He's tough. He's confident.

32:41And like I said, smart, and he's going

32:43to make stupid mistakes. He's a rookie.

32:44That's what all of them do. Um, but it

32:46was never, it was much more about the

32:47situation than it was about him. All

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35:15run your game. All right, Pats or Amps.

35:18So the Patriots, as we know, three and

35:20seven, 30th by DVOA. DVOA says, we

35:24still, thank you, stink. Uh, slight

35:26winning two of the last three, 29th in

35:28offense, 30th in defense, 12th in

35:31special teams. The Rams, not that much

35:33better. Four and five overall, 19th in

35:36DVOA, 13th in offense, 20th in defense,

35:3927th in special teams. Their last four,

35:41they just lost to Miami Monday night,

35:4323 to 15. Before that big win at

35:45Seattle, 26 to 20. Before that 30 to 20

35:48win over Minnesota on Thursday Night

35:49Football and 20 to 15 versus the Raiders

35:52again at home for the Rams who are,

35:55you know, season is not over, but it's

35:56getting tight out there and a very

35:58competitive NFC West. Uh, so we're just

36:01going to do the traditional three, two,

36:02one preview here, three matchups, two

36:04keys, one wildcard thought and a game

36:06pick and get out of here. Uh, but first

36:08just big picture thought about this

36:10matchup. Like it's not the wildcard

36:12thought we'll save something weird for

36:13the end, but you think about this game

36:15and what comes to mind first?

36:17Uh, past matchups between these teams

36:20for two teams that like AFC East and

36:22NFC West don't play each other very

36:24often, obviously two Superbowls Patriots

36:28have won, uh, two Superbowls against

36:30the Rams. So just like a lot of weird,

36:33cool history, uh, in this matchup. And

36:36I, I mean, there's players left on, on

36:39the Rams or there's at least coaches

36:40left on the Rams who played in that

36:42Superbowl, uh, 53 game, a couple left

36:45on the Patriots. So not a lot of

36:46connections there, but just a cool

36:49matchup that you don't see very often.

36:52And, uh, a lot of history there.

36:55I will tease a story I have coming out

36:57Saturday morning, the bostonherald.com

36:58and then in print Sunday for the, the

37:01tiniest Venn diagram possible of people

37:03who listened to this podcast or watch

37:04on YouTube and actually still pick up a

37:05physical newspaper that will be out

37:07Sunday in print of a forgotten detail

37:10about that Superbowl that I picked up

37:12in a talk to players and coaches about

37:13this week. So if you want to relive

37:15something about Superbowl 53 that I

37:17had not known, and as far as I can find

37:19has not been reported yet, look for my

37:21story Saturday morning online or Sunday

37:23in print. Uh, it's a good point though,

37:25because we get these, you know, giant

37:27media packets and it's got all of the

37:28stats and the biographies and the

37:29backgrounds of all the players and the

37:31coaches and yada yada. And I think it

37:32was a Rams that I was flipping through

37:33today in our little office at Gillette

37:35and they use the word rivalry. And I

37:38was like, well, this is ridiculous.

37:40They're not rivals. So we see you every

37:42four years looking at them. I was like,

37:45I don't know, man. Like you play two

37:46very consequential Superbowls. Um, I

37:50don't know. It's not rivalry, but it's,

37:52but it's close enough. So Rams media

37:53guide, you get a pass. I'm sure that I

37:56know there's not a ton of them out

37:58there, but I'm sure Rams fans don't

38:01like the Patriots very much. So it's

38:03kind of like a, it's a rivalry, but

38:06it's a, it's kind of one-sided and

38:08honestly, you know, rivalry means a

38:11lizard up kids. Like you have to take

38:13something from them and they have to

38:15take something from you. Right. That's

38:16rivalry. It's gotta be, it's gotta be

38:17mutual. Um, Rams kicked their ass in

38:202020, which is a season. Everyone's

38:21forgotten. It was a Thursday night

38:22game, 24 to three. Bill was, was, was

38:25very flowery in his praise to Sean

38:26McVay. I think one of them was

38:27miked up. Um, just kind of curious now

38:29because we were in the middle of

38:30COVID anyway, there, there has been

38:32some back and forth here, even though

38:34the big wins obviously belong to the

38:35Patriots, which is interesting to me

38:36though, this week is not just the

38:38Matthew Stafford angle or the pass at

38:39home. Can they win three out of four,

38:41no matter who has spoken to us,

38:43everyone brings up their front four.

38:45And it's very young and you don't have

38:47these big names, even though they

38:48drafted Jared verse, who's going to be

38:50one of my matchups. Spoiler alert,

38:51Byron young athletic third round pick,

38:53I believe out of Tennessee, they're

38:56elite at rushing individually. And

38:58they've got some problems structurally,

39:00I think, and just kind of fitting

39:01everything together. But I look at

39:02this game and go, both of these

39:04offensive lines stink and pass

39:05protection. They've got a very good

39:07rush. The Patriots are good at

39:08scheming up enough pressure. Um,

39:10which crazy thing to see, say after

39:12they get nine sacks, if I said over

39:15under for sex for this game, total

39:17sex is six and a half, right?

39:21Um, yeah, I might take the under,

39:25but that, that is, that seems right.

39:28Um, just because I don't know the,

39:31the nine sacks last week was like a

39:35way more of a Caleb Williams thing

39:36than it was a Patriots pass rush

39:37thing. Uh, and it was more a Patriots

39:39coverage thing than a Patriots pass

39:41rush thing. But yeah, I mean that,

39:44that feels right. Uh, Drake may only

39:46sack once last week, but that was

39:48also less than you would expect from

39:50the Patriots offensive line. So I

39:52don't know, maybe I'd go five and a

39:53half, but that's kind of being that

39:54picky, which, which still though is

39:56exceptionally high. And that's an

39:58obvious point. Both teams struggle

39:59in pass protection. I'm just saying

40:00when you, when we've listened to guys

40:02this week, that's what they bring up.

40:03This front is really, really good.

40:05And it's across the board. They want

40:06to get to, they play a lot of five

40:08men front, um, to create those singles,

40:10those one-on-one blocks that they

40:11know inevitably someone's going to

40:13break through. Now it's really just,

40:14you know, the four, which I mentioned

40:15on the ends and young and various that

40:17I think really have your attention if

40:19you're the Patriots, because it was a

40:20decent day in past protection with the

40:22exception of the tackles who obviously

40:23are going to have verse and Byron

40:25young across from them. Um, so versus

40:26my first matchup, he's got four and a

40:28half sacks as rookie one in each of his

40:30last three games, along with a fourth

40:31fumble and a pass deflection. And

40:33again, these four guys are in the top

40:3550 of not just total sack production,

40:37but true pressure rate, which is

40:39courtesy of Brandon Thorne, a D

40:41Lyman alignment expert who is watching

40:43and telling you exactly the pressure

40:44that people earn and those that they

40:45don't key on white, by the way, also

40:47high in these rankings. So verse,

40:48whether he's opposite, but area and

40:50low or Demetri Jacobs pickup award

40:53winner. Um, it's, it's huge because

40:55if you negate him, you buy Drake

40:57May time. And that obviously leads

40:58to good things.

41:00Yeah, that was actually a Jared

41:01verse verse. The daring low was one

41:03of my matchups as well, but I picked

41:05two because I'm smart and figured

41:06that you might pick that one. Uh,

41:08but Jared verse does primarily line

41:09up on the defensive, right? So he'll

41:11mostly be going up against the

41:13daring low, which ultimately, if you

41:15had said that last year would not

41:16have been a good thing this year.

41:17It is a good thing because I think

41:20it's still a mismatch on the Ram

41:23side, but bid area and low has

41:25perhaps one healthy been their

41:28second, most dependable and

41:29consistent offensive lineman, um,

41:31behind Michael Wenu on the offensive

41:34line. So I it's, it's one that

41:37veterinarian low, it will at least

41:39be competitive in. And, um,

41:41obviously Drake may will help as

41:43well. He can scramble, move around

41:44the pocket. Uh, he can negate some

41:46of that pressure and that pressure

41:49does not always turn into sacks.

41:51Uh, but yeah, that's, that's

41:52definitely one of the more

41:53intriguing matchups for me in this

41:55game. Uh, but the one that the

41:57other one was Christian Gonzalez,

42:00a Patriots cornerback who he's

42:01going to be facing off against. If

42:03I had to guess, I would say Puka

42:06Nakua in this matchup. Um, because

42:08Puka Nakua and Cooper cup, those

42:10are the two big Rams wide

42:11receivers. Puka Nakua was better

42:14last week against the dolphins.

42:16Uh, then Cooper cup, both of those

42:17guys have been dealing with

42:18injuries, but really the big thing

42:20is that Cooper cup does line up in

42:21the slot. The majority of offensive

42:23snaps, whereas Puka Nakua does

42:25sometimes slide in the slot, but

42:27primarily does line up more outside.

42:29I'm curious to see if the Patriots

42:31do just kind of like leave Christian

42:32Gonzalez on one side, like they did

42:34last week against the bears. But.

42:37That made sense to me last week

42:39because the bears really have the

42:40big three there at wide receiver

42:41and DJ more Romo Dunzey, uh, and

42:43Keenan Allen this week. I think

42:46that you can probably just say,

42:48all right, Christian, follow Puka

42:49Nakua. Um, we'll leave, you know,

42:52Jonathan Jones, Marcus Jones,

42:53whoever else against Cooper cup.

42:55And then like the other outside

42:56receiver is a lot more

42:59inconsequential, but I do think

43:01that it would be massive if

43:02Christian Gonzalez probably won't

43:04be able to like completely

43:05eliminate Puka Nakua, but if he

43:07can limit him to, let's say,

43:08like five catches, 50 yards,

43:10which is about what you can expect

43:11out of Christian Gonzalez. So far

43:12this season, I think that would

43:13go a really long way towards

43:15the Patriots winning this game.

43:17Yeah. It's also a size thing,

43:18right? You know, if you want to

43:19try Puka Nakua, who's not only

43:20just like six, two, but

43:22exceptionally strong, like that

43:23dude is coming down and cracking

43:24people in the run game and he's

43:26winning at the top of his routes

43:27and just kind of bodies you out

43:29with his ass on these core routes.

43:30Like I don't want my five, eight

43:32corner. Marcus Jones played

43:33exceptionally well in Chicago and

43:35especially in man to man coverage.

43:36And I talked to Mike Pellegrino

43:37today, their corners coach, and

43:38just said, Hey, who's a, who's a

43:40guy in your group who's just

43:41improved the most and what's the

43:42player and what's the skill?

43:43And he said, Marcus Jones and

43:45off coverage. Look, that's great.

43:47And it's true. And we've seen it.

43:48And that lets them play man

43:49coverage more than 70% of the

43:51time, which they did in Chicago.

43:52And I wouldn't be surprised to

43:53see it get close to there again

43:54against the Rams, but matchups

43:56matter. And that to me also, I

43:58think is not only the size thing

44:00with Christian Gonzalez, but you

44:01can double a little bit more

44:02easily against the guy in the

44:03slot and deny some of those

44:05easier access throws. And I

44:07think it would be wise. And this

44:08is kind of, this is my matchup,

44:10which is very broad, but to

44:12Marcus Covington has had games

44:13where he's been way ahead. And

44:15that helps. There are also the

44:16games when you can tell he's

44:17playing catch-ups, like even

44:18Seattle in week two, and that's

44:19a while ago, but he needs to at

44:21least be even with Sean McVay

44:22here in terms of control of the

44:23game. And if that's doubling

44:24Cooper cup in the slot, that to

44:26me is pivotal. And I think

44:27something you have to test and

44:28find out what their answers are.

44:30So you can come up with counters

44:31or have a different strategy

44:33that catches them off guard,

44:34but still somehow manage either

44:35with droppers off of the edge or

44:37some sort of SIM pressures just

44:39to make them a little uneasy.

44:40So that to me, I'm very, very

44:41curious how to Marcus Covington

44:43obviously rolls out the game

44:44plan, but adjusting and Sean

44:45McVay, who didn't have a great

44:46game against Miami, but over

44:48time, we know is one of the

44:48better offensive coaches in the

44:49league. For sure. A hundred

44:52percent. Cool. That was easy.

44:54Thank you. Key two keys, three

44:56matchups, two keys, Mikey. They

44:58have to activate their

44:59misdirection in screen game.

45:00And we saw more misdirection

45:02here with not only the touchdown

45:04pass delayed release to Jalen

45:05Polk, a little bit more play

45:07action. We saw that double

45:08reverse screen play that went

45:09for like eight yards, which Alex

45:11van Pelt, another reference

45:12mentioned today. I love calling

45:14that play. The guys love running

45:15it. The average that we gain on

45:17that play just about eight yards

45:19and you're like, okay, should

45:21probably be more. You need more

45:23of that. Cause the Rams are a

45:24bottom 10 tackling defense

45:25according to PFF. They do a lot

45:27of cool things schematically.

45:28We just talked about their

45:29password. They don't have to

45:30blitz a whole lot and I don't

45:31think they will, but what you

45:32need to do is get easy yards.

45:34So their screen game has not

45:36been great this year, but I want

45:38to see more of the misdirection,

45:39not only because it worked

45:40against Chicago, but those are

45:41the type of plays you should be

45:42running against the Rams to get

45:45extra yards after the catch.

45:46When normally against better

45:47tackling defenses, you wouldn't

45:49have them. Yeah. I mean, the

45:51Patriots have been kind of

45:52allergic in the last, let's say

45:54like four or five weeks, uh, in

45:56getting their running backs

45:56involved in the passing game.

45:57I think that that would be a

45:58big thing, at least in the

45:59screen game is to try to get

46:00them a little bit more involved.

46:01I mean, we saw earlier in the

46:02season, Antonio Gibson ripping

46:05off two 40 plus yard plays.

46:06One of them was a run. One of

46:08them was a catch and run. Uh, I

46:09thought that Antonio Gibson

46:11showed some fresh legs at the

46:12end of that bears game.

46:13Surprised to see him in there

46:14in that moment, since he hadn't

46:15been playing all game. Uh, but

46:17if you could get him a little

46:18bit more involved in the passing

46:19game as a former college wide

46:21receiver, I think that that

46:22would certainly help. And

46:24Michael Hastie hasn't been bad

46:25in the, in the passing game as

46:26well. He had a touchdown in

46:28London against Jaguars. And, uh,

46:30I mean, and then obviously

46:31Romandre Stevenson historically

46:33has been a good pass catching

46:34back for the Patriots as well.

46:36But whether it's those guys

46:37with a pop Douglas, I know that

46:39a lot of Patriots fans, I don't

46:40expect this to happen, but like

46:42no, a lot of Patriots fans would

46:43advocate to maybe get like

46:45Marcus Jones involved in some of

46:46those plays as well, because

46:48he's such a dynamic playmaker,

46:49but they do have guys who can

46:50make those plays, um, you know,

46:53using screens, using, um, motion

46:56using misdirection, uh, and

46:58getting some, some free and

46:59cheap yards that way. Uh, my

47:01key is a defensive one, which

47:03works out well since yours was

47:04offensive and it was generate

47:06some God damn turnovers. And

47:09like they against the bears,

47:11they won without generating a

47:12single turnover, no takeaways.

47:14And like, Hey, that's, I'm

47:17shocked that they won that game

47:18without that with Caleb Williams

47:20playing like a chicken with his

47:22head cut off and with the Rams,

47:24Matthew Stafford, five fumbles

47:26so far this season, seven

47:27interceptions. He is 11th out of

47:2940 plus quarterbacks in

47:32turnover where the play rate on

47:33PFF and Kyron Williams has also

47:36fumbled the ball three times,

47:37which was basically enough for

47:39a monetary Stevenson yet bench

47:40earlier in the season. So there

47:42are opportunities against this

47:44Rams team to force some

47:45turnovers. Matthew Stafford

47:46historically has been pretty

47:48good about protecting the

47:49football, but that has changed

47:50the season. I'm sure a lot of

47:52that is the Rams offensive line,

47:54but I don't think, I don't think

47:56I'm going to put myself out

47:58there. The Patriots cannot win

47:59two straight, two straight games

48:01without generating any turnovers.

48:02And I would say that they will

48:03have to win the turnover battle

48:05in this game if they do want to

48:06beat the Rams. Um, and just

48:09because like Drake may is

48:10probably going to turn the ball

48:11over at least once, at least

48:13that's what we've seen so far

48:14this season. Uh, that that's

48:16been what he's been doing. So I

48:18think that you'll, you'll have

48:19to get at least two turnovers

48:20off this Rams team to win the

48:22game. Fair. I, um, it just hit

48:25me. I have two wildcard thoughts.

48:26So we go three, two, one here,

48:28and then we'll do a game pick.

48:29One of which is you would think

48:31as a Rams team that as much has

48:33been made about the marrying of

48:34the past and the run, it's a

48:35deep play action. And like the

48:36bones of that offense are still

48:37very similar to what Sean McVay

48:39unveiled and just hit the league

48:40over the head with in 2017 and

48:422018, they want to run the ball

48:45and they're good at it, but

48:46playing on a Monday night, losing

48:48three hours, flying East, all of

48:50that travel that time, that lack

48:52of practice. I am curious what,

48:54if any toll would be taken and

48:56our pal, Mike, you already had

48:57this debt that they're five and

48:58no one short restaurant or McVay,

48:59whatever, like that has to count

49:01physically materially in a real

49:03way, starting on their 10 AM

49:05local time, uh, body wise.

49:08And so how does that show up?

49:10Can they quote unquote, establish

49:11the run early? And if this game

49:12is close to the fourth quarter,

49:14do you see the Patriots? Let's

49:15have a throwback here. Take them

49:16to the Hill. I don't know. I

49:18wouldn't, I wouldn't count on it.

49:20Again. I think this is a more

49:21talented veteran well-coached

49:23team. You're not going to win

49:23the way you did in Chicago. Um,

49:26but that's on the top of my mind.

49:27The second one is this, and if

49:28you don't want a wild card, fine,

49:29but I'm going to get a wild card

49:31on this one. Anyway, Nick Kaley

49:33is coming back to New England.

49:34Tight ends coach for the Rams

49:36very nearly as I reported and

49:38gotten offer. He was a finalist

49:39for the Patriots offense

49:39coordinator job, turned it down.

49:42And what if, what if Nick Kaley

49:46came back after one season in LA?

49:48Because we've seen what happened

49:50with Shane Waldron and Luke Getsy

49:52also involved in that

49:53coordinator search. Uh, they've

49:55both been fired and Alex

49:56Impel 12th guy to 12. We've all

49:59seen this. I think it's ended

50:00up being a good hire because

50:01development Drake may manage

50:02more than anything else. Any

50:03scheme, any play, call anything

50:04at all. Not to mention he's

50:06also a culture guy. The numbers

50:07are bad. The offense is bad,

50:08but he's a stat. Where would we

50:10be with Nick Kaley? Offensive

50:11coordinator. It's a good

50:13question. And like, I, I, I hate

50:16to have like a cop out on this,

50:17but there's honestly no way of

50:19knowing, like we've never seen

50:20Nick Kaley as an offensive

50:21coordinator. So I think that

50:23I think that they'd be more, I

50:25think they'd be more creative

50:27potentially. Um, I think it

50:28would be a different system. Um,

50:31but overall I do think that it's

50:34possible that Drake Mays

50:36development could have taken a

50:38hit because Nick Kaley hasn't

50:40worked with quarterbacks as much

50:41as Alex van Pelt has. He doesn't

50:44have that track record that

50:45Alex van Pelt does. So it's

50:47certainly possible that we

50:48wouldn't be complaining about

50:49the, the offensive play calling

50:50as much as with Alex van Pelt

50:52in there, but he's also just

50:54less experienced, less

50:55experience with quarterback.

50:56So I don't know. It's not a

50:57sure thing that things would

50:58look different in my opinion.

51:00I would love that. And then

51:04one of them was that Nick Kaley,

51:06Ryan Wendell, and Jerry

51:07Sheplinski, three former people

51:09who've been in the Patriots

51:10building are all on the staff,

51:11but I have a hot take. Super

51:12Bowl 53 was good. I know a lot

51:14of people like after that game

51:16were like, that was a terrible

51:16super bowl. And when they were

51:18saying that, I was like, I

51:20disagree. That game was cool.

51:22Like defense is fun. Sometimes

51:24there was some fun plays made

51:25in that game, uh, by like,

51:26certainly by Jason McCourty in

51:28that game. Like overall, I came

51:30away from that game being like,

51:31wow, that was a good super bowl

51:32and everyone else was

51:33complaining about it. So that's

51:34my wildcard thought on a

51:35Patriots Rams. Yeah. Uh, how

51:37many Hall of Famers were in

51:38that game? I mean, start with

51:39Belichick, Brady, Gronk's in

51:42there, Aaron Donald's in there,

51:44Sean McVay, probably on his

51:45way. Like I think it will age

51:47well. Yeah, absolutely. Um,

51:50Cooper cop, probably not, but

51:51like another really good player.

51:53He actually didn't play in that

51:53game. So nevermind. Um, but

51:55yeah, no, a lot of, uh, a lot

51:57of good players in that game,

51:58a lot of big names, especially

51:59on defense. Doug McCourty, uh,

52:03Rams when 20 is 20 to 17. What

52:05was it? No, it's, are we just

52:07naming defensive players? We

52:08can keep doing it. Um, uh, Rams

52:12went 2017. The Patriots have

52:15not done enough for me to pick

52:17them to win this game. I think

52:18it's possible that they win this

52:20game, but overall I think the

52:23Patriots defense will be better

52:25than it had been in the past.

52:26Not as good as they were against

52:27the bears because he got Matthew

52:28Stafford in there and the

52:29Patriots couldn't score a couple

52:30touchdowns, but overall I think

52:32the Rams squeaked this one out.

52:34I'm with you. I think it's a

52:35little uglier than that. 1613.

52:38This just reeks of a Stafford

52:40does enough, drives them down,

52:42gets a field goal and they kick

52:43one at the end of the buzzer.

52:44And it's not like a moral

52:45victory, but it's something

52:47close to that. And the Patriots

52:48covered, I think the spread is

52:49like four or four and a half

52:50through the Rams on the road.

52:52And look, I said a lot of stuff

52:54about talent and desperation

52:55against the bears. We saw how

52:55that went, but like this team

52:56is so far away, better coached

52:58than the bears are. And I think

53:00that is ultimately, we'll put

53:01some over the top in addition

53:02to the veteran quarterback, but

53:03hard to see a blow either way,

53:05which is crazy considering where

53:06we were four weeks ago with

53:07Patriots. Absolutely. And uh,

53:10yeah, I mean, I think it'll at

53:11least be like a good game. You

53:13were mentioning, you know,

53:14people, uh, donating to LLS for

53:16these tickets. Like it's a good

53:19game. It's going to be a good

53:19game out there. You'll have to

53:20see Drake may coming off a win

53:22potential for the first winning

53:23streak of the season for the

53:24Patriots. So, uh, it's certainly

53:25a good one, a good one to go to

53:27and the weather is going to be

53:28warm. So it's either this folks,

53:30or you're going to go see the

53:31Colts in December, the chargers

53:33or the bills in late December,

53:35early January. Uh, I would say

53:36go now. Definitely. Now's the

53:39time. Okay. So reply to me with

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