The Jeremy Kyle Show (04 Jan 2017)
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00:10On today's show...
00:12Are you all ready for Jeremy McDonnell?
00:16Jeremy! Jeremy! Jeremy! Jeremy! Jeremy! Jeremy!
00:22Thank you, Jeremy.
00:23You're asleep in bed. You wake up to discover her boyfriend in bed with you.
00:30Why didn't you tell me? After last time. After last time.
00:34It's not her fault, is it?
00:36She'll be out here saying sorry to your dead dad.
00:40Why didn't you get into bed?
00:42Because I was going to see how far she would take it and she was willing to go.
00:46And you're the liar in this, don't you dare!
00:49Don't you dare!
00:50You have to be the liar in this.
00:53What you did was misleading him over me.
00:57You're on the Jeremy Carl Show saying if this bloke cheated on me whilst my kid was in intensive care, that's the lowest of the low.
01:04Six weeks ago you had messages on your Facebook and you were poking, Gail. You were poke, poke.
01:11It's all important lie detector results.
01:13P.S. Darwin, since the birth of your son, have you passionately kissed anyone else?
01:17You said no. Why don't you say no?
01:19It's a good choice.
01:20You said no. Why don't you say no?
01:21It's a good choice.
01:44Hello my friends, good morning and as ever a big, big welcome to the show.
01:47Now my first guest today, Nicola, is here to confront sister Michelle and Michelle's boyfriend Darren.
01:52Now Nicola says that Darren is frankly a compulsive liar who has accused her of trying it on with him.
01:58She says, I've taken a lie detector to prove I've never done that.
02:01Today she wants her sister to realise quite simply, your boyfriend's no good.
02:06Nicola is on the Jeremy Carl Show that way.
02:18You alright? Sure?
02:19Yeah.
02:20Eighteen years of age, probably the most difficult thing you've ever done and I really, really appreciate you being here
02:25but I want to make the point as you are so young that this is something you're desperate to do. Yes or no?
02:30Yeah.
02:32I'm here to clear my name.
02:34This is all about the fact that 40-year-old Darren, who's with your 35-year-old sister Michelle, you have said came on to you.
02:42Tell us exactly what happened, when it was and what you see to be the truth.
02:46It was about a year ago, I was fast asleep in bed, I woke up to him getting in bed.
02:51He then apologised and said that he thought I was my sister.
02:55Let's just unwind that a little bit.
02:58You're asleep in bed at her house.
03:01You wake up to discover her boyfriend in bed with you.
03:06How did you know? I'm not being rude, I'm trying to get facts.
03:09Was he trying something physical with you?
03:11No, I could just feel someone getting in the bed.
03:14And his excuse was?
03:16That he thought I was my sister.
03:21He denied this happened though, didn't he? What did he say?
03:24That I asked him to get in bed with me.
03:27He said that he came out of the bathroom, I'm not trying to upset you, the bedroom door was open,
03:32you were naked on the bed and you beckoned him to come in to see you.
03:35That's what he told us before he came to the show. There he is.
03:40I'll prove I didn't come on to Darren, I've always supported Michelle.
03:48What's this done to your relationship with your sister, first and foremost?
03:51I ruined her.
03:55She was like a mum to me, she helped bring me up, things changed between us.
03:59And, you know, this is ridiculous.
04:03This guy is no good, you say. Their relationship is a joke.
04:07He's got her into all sorts of things, drugs and a bad lifestyle.
04:11He's made her into a liar.
04:13And I am not prepared, even though I'm 18, to be the subject of his BS.
04:18Are you angry with your sister for not believing you?
04:21Very.
04:23She called you some pretty vile names, didn't she? What did she call you?
04:29She's going to butter me, she's petrified of what she's going to do to me.
04:37Now, the reason that this is so difficult and there are certain things on this show
04:40that we have to do in a certain way, the reason I feel such sympathy for you
04:45is that things changed between the two of you when you were 13.
04:48You went through a horrendous ordeal.
04:51She didn't believe you.
04:54You were proven to be correct on that occasion,
04:58you say that you'll be proven correct on this occasion.
05:01Can you bring me, and I'm going to do this very differently,
05:04Darren did a lie detector, didn't he, and you also did a lie detector.
05:08Can you bring me the results?
05:10The reason I'm asking for these now, guys,
05:12is that something happened this morning that none of us expected.
05:15Do you know what that was?
05:19In there...
05:23..after coming out of the lie detector,
05:26admitted that he had got into bed with you,
05:29that he had lied.
05:31Darren admitted getting into bed with Nicola.
05:33He said he told Nicola to tell Michelle it was an accident.
05:36The reason he gave for doing this was because he thought Nicola was interested in him
05:40and he wanted to confirm it.
05:43And to confirm that,
05:45and to confirm that you were telling the truth throughout the whole thing,
05:48we asked you on the night in question, did Darren get into bed with you?
05:51You said yes, despite the fact that he called you a liar,
05:54despite the fact that your sister said you're a this, you're a that.
05:57You, at 18, said yes, you were telling the truth,
06:00and she was telling the truth.
06:10Now...
06:13..he only admitted to his girlfriend when he came out of the lie detector
06:17that her 18-year-old sister wasn't some fly-by-night whatever.
06:20You were actually telling the truth.
06:22So a girl, woman, who didn't believe you five years ago
06:26and has called you every name under the sun,
06:28is now going to come out here and try and make sense of the fact
06:31that you're indeed telling the truth
06:33and her boyfriend's a piece of whatever.
06:35They've been at it, seriously, arguing all morning.
06:38You are, listen, absolutely amazing and brave,
06:41and we will deal with this together.
06:43Look at me, all right? Look at me.
06:45Look at me.
06:51We're going to be very interested to hear from this sister.
06:53For now, Michelle's on the Jeremy car,
06:55shall I give her a round of applause?
07:03Why didn't you tell me? Why didn't you tell me?
07:05Cos it's the friggin' time. After last time.
07:07After last time. Huh? Ruining my life.
07:10Second time. Huh?
07:12It's not her fault, is it?
07:14She'll be out here saying sorry to your sister.
07:18Sorry, what did you say?
07:20What, because your boyfriend can't keep it in his pants?
07:22It's her fault, is it?
07:24You should be out here saying,
07:26I'm sorry, my little sister, I disbelieved you.
07:29That's what you should be saying.
07:31Sister, are you kidding me?
07:33Take me on today.
07:35Why would she not say sorry?
07:37No, so why didn't she tell me then?
07:39Why has it taken 12 months?
07:41Because that's manipulated her, that's why.
07:43Cos she's 18.
07:45Because he knew she was vulnerable.
07:47Because he knew she'd been through an ordeal.
07:49That's everything last time.
07:51And the kids and everything, so why?
07:53Because it's the first time.
07:55No, because you didn't even tell me the first time, did you?
07:57And I didn't know whether he was up his face on drugs.
07:59Do you take drugs, do you?
08:01No, was, clean.
08:03Clean, 12 months, clean, tomorrow, today.
08:06Give me a drug test, drug test, come on.
08:08Listen to what she went through with him.
08:11Oh, are you going to get back with him and just have that...
08:13What is your... How can you believe him?
08:16What do you think... Right, tell her what happened that night.
08:18Tell her.
08:20He got into bed, Michelle, and I was fast asleep.
08:23He woke me up.
08:25So why didn't you scream?
08:27I looked at him. Why didn't you scream?
08:29Because I didn't do anything, he just said he thought it was you.
08:32Would you have believed her?
08:34So why did you say it was a mistake six weeks ago when I asked you about it?
08:37What was a mistake? This.
08:39I didn't say that. Yes, you did.
08:41In a text message you put, he got into bed by accident.
08:43That's what you put in the text.
08:45Because that's what he told her to say.
08:47How is your anger directed to her?
08:49It's not. It's both of you.
08:51Because she can't handle the fact that your boyfriend wanted somebody half your age.
08:53That's your sister. She should come first, not him.
08:56CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
09:03You made it look like you were a lie detector because you didn't believe her.
09:06What does that say? She was telling the truth.
09:09That admitted it to you this morning.
09:11How did you feel? Because that's what this is about.
09:13This is your anger, because that has lied to you
09:16and you've given up for him and had a go at her,
09:18and now you know that was misplaced. Yes or no?
09:20No.
09:22Tell me what happened this morning when he came out of the lie detector, then.
09:26Come on, what did he say?
09:28Because he admitted to us that that had happened.
09:31Come on, darling, you haven't got a leg to stand on.
09:33I understand you're annoyed about your boyfriend.
09:35Darren admitted getting into bed with Nicola.
09:38He said he told Nicola to tell Michelle it was an accident.
09:41The reason he gave for doing this was because he thought Nicola was interested.
09:45The reason she didn't tell you was that she thought you wouldn't believe her
09:49and he played the game and you're angry with her.
09:51And you're lying to me because you've been arguing with him all morning.
09:54Because I know that, because they tell me.
09:56So what have you been arguing about? The fact that he lied to you?
09:59Yes or no? Yeah.
10:01So why is that her fault? Huh?
10:03Why is it her fault?
10:06Why are you not saying,
10:07I'm so sorry, my boyfriend's a lowlife and he tried to take advantage
10:11or put you in a difficult position?
10:13I'm your big sister, I'm so sorry.
10:15If she thought anything of me, she'd tell me, wouldn't you?
10:17Would you have believed her? Yeah.
10:19If she told me, yeah.
10:21After last time, you don't know what happened last time.
10:23You've never believed me about the first time, though, have you?
10:25No. That's what you said, exactly.
10:28You never have believed me, you don't know me.
10:31Do you think if she said yes, you'd have slept with her?
10:34I don't know.
10:36That's your issue, isn't it?
10:38It's not about her.
10:39But your anger is aimed towards the girl.
10:42We can't go into details about what happened at 13,
10:45but you didn't believe her there, did you?
10:47But that's your sister, your kid sister, and she's what, the worst person?
10:51Not the fact that your boyfriend, darling, who got you into drugs,
10:55who thinks it's all right to get into bed with an 18-year-old.
10:58Why don't you, when he comes out, tell him what you think of him
11:02and take your sister's side? Back after this.
11:05I don't want nothing to do with you.
11:07She just ruins my life all the time.
11:10You're the liar in this, don't you dare!
11:12I've had enough of this, you're just saying...
11:14You have to be the liar in this.
11:24Welcome back to The Break, talking to Michelle and Nikita,
11:27an 18-year-old who basically...
11:29Why did she walk off, by the way, Michelle?
11:31I don't know.
11:32Let me talk to you on your own.
11:33What?
11:34Why is she the one that you're blaming?
11:39Because it's just history repeating itself again.
11:42You're saying she encouraged him to come in the room?
11:45I don't know.
11:46I don't think she did at all.
11:47But you don't know what happened last time either.
11:49He got into bed with her.
11:50He told her, tell your sister it's an accident.
11:54I don't know.
11:55She's been telling the truth.
11:57You've got to understand, the facts are,
11:59I can't go into five years ago,
12:01but the facts on this case, verified by the lie detector,
12:04are that she's been telling the truth
12:06and your boyfriend's been lying.
12:08Now, I know that might be difficult to handle
12:10and horrible to accept.
12:11It's not her fault. Why don't you better...?
12:13What?
12:14He's sick, I've just told him.
12:16It's disgusting.
12:17And he knows everything that had happened last time
12:20and then for him to do that...
12:23What about her?
12:25Nikita, get out of here.
12:26Give her a round of applause, ladies and gentlemen.
12:28APPLAUSE
12:30It's not her fault.
12:32It's not her fault.
12:34No.
12:41Your sister says you should have told her, answer that.
12:44I didn't want to because of everything that had happened in the past.
12:48That's it, I just...
12:51No.
12:52What do you think about your boyfriend?
12:54Is he still your boyfriend?
12:55No.
12:56It's done?
12:57Yeah.
12:58Blame her for that?
13:00No.
13:02I don't want nothing to do with you.
13:06You want nothing to do with her? Why is that?
13:08Because I don't.
13:11Because of this?
13:13No, because she just ruins my life all the time.
13:17I'll tell you what ruins your life, shall I?
13:19I'll tell you what ruins your life.
13:20The choices that you've made, the drugs you put in your system
13:23and the boy you had in your life. It's nothing to do...
13:25APPLAUSE
13:28Did you, um... Did she tell you to take the drugs?
13:32Did she tell you to take the drugs?
13:34Who gave them to you, your boyfriend?
13:36No.
13:37Your decision to be with him, your decision to take drugs,
13:39your decision that you can't handle the fact that your boyfriend
13:41wanted to get into bed with your sister rather than get in bed with you.
13:44That's not her fault, is it?
13:45He... He...
13:47Why haven't you dumped him?
13:49We've been split up for about 12 months.
13:51Right.
13:53So you're saying if she'd told you, you'd have believed her?
13:56And you're sitting there saying that you're washing...
13:58You've split up for 12 months, you've had sex with him, haven't you?
14:00No. You have been?
14:01Haven't. Yeah, you have.
14:02You haven't had sex for 12 months?
14:04Have I had sex for 12 months? With him?
14:06Not with him, no.
14:07So why are you so angry?
14:08Why aren't you sitting over here with your sister, then?
14:10Because she should have told me. After last time, she knows.
14:13And you should have reacted better and supported her
14:15and been there for her, shouldn't you?
14:17No.
14:18I'm going to do this a little bit...
14:20By the way, just so you're aware, I'm a great believer
14:22that the audience at the Jeremy Carr Show are a good barometer
14:24for what the real world thinks.
14:26They think you're amazing. I'm going to go and speak to this, whatever.
14:35What have you done?
14:36Pardon?
14:37What have you done apart from lie you got into bed with an 18-year-old
14:40and got your bird into drugs?
14:42Michelle was already taking drugs when I met her.
14:44What have you done to those two?
14:46All the puppy little eyes that she's given me all day.
14:49She knows exactly what she's doing.
14:50Why did you get into bed with her?
14:52Cos of what she was like.
14:54Always coming round the house, always.
14:56I used to tell Michelle, do never leave me alone with her.
14:59Why? Cos you can't trust yourself? Are you like a young girl?
15:01No, cos of what she's about.
15:02What do you mean, what she's about?
15:04You're in a relationship with her sister. Yeah.
15:06What are you going to say? She encouraged you, did she?
15:08When you came out of the bathroom, what?
15:10She was lying on the bed saying,
15:11come on, big boy, come and get me, was she?
15:13No, she was asleep and you got into bed with her
15:16and then you manipulated her and said, don't tell your sister.
15:18Yes or no?
15:20No, cos it was like she knew what she was doing
15:23and she knew it would have gone to...
15:24She was asleep. Hang on a minute, Jamie.
15:26She was asleep. Hang on a minute, mate.
15:27She was asleep, yes or no?
15:29Hang on a minute.
15:30No, she wasn't asleep, she was just leathy.
15:32She was just leathy.
15:34Don't lie, Makila.
15:35Tell her she's a canny.
15:36Do you know what?
15:37All you little puppy little weasel out there, stop it.
15:40Do you know what? You know exactly.
15:42So she's to blame for you.
15:44Oh, this is terrible, excuse me.
15:46You, you are nothing but a liar.
15:49You are a liar.
15:51Oh, stop it, you little...
15:55Do you know what?
15:57I'll tell you what I do now.
15:58It's all right, that's all right.
15:59A liar, you're disgusting.
16:01So why didn't you say something then
16:02if you didn't know nothing was going on?
16:04You're the liar in this, don't you?
16:06I feel like I've said to you to say it.
16:08You have to be the liar in this, don't you?
16:11I got into bed with you, yeah, by mistake.
16:14Yeah, by mistake.
16:15So if you got into bed by...
16:17Did you get into bed by mistake, yes or no?
16:19No.
16:20Why did you get into bed?
16:21Cos I was going to see how fast she would take it
16:23and she was willing to go,
16:24what the fuck, don't...
16:26Why didn't you get into bed?
16:27I got out of bed at night to announce it.
16:29Why did you get out of bed?
16:30Because she didn't take it fast.
16:32No, cos that proved to me then...
16:34So you wanted to see if she would sleep with you, yes or no?
16:37Yeah, I did, yeah, I did, genuinely.
16:39And then what, you got a conscience on you, did you?
16:41Or was the truth she was asleep with you?
16:43No, cos it was about proving it to myself,
16:45cos I kept on...
16:46You're disgusting.
16:47And then you made a lie, did you?
16:49Oh, my God.
16:50What do you mean, oh, my God?
16:51You're absolutely up to it to your neck here!
16:54Why would I bring it on? Why would I...?
16:56Why don't you just... Excuse me.
16:57Why don't you just get out here and be a man, eh?
16:59APPLAUSE
17:06Oh, God!
17:10Oh!
17:12God almighty!
17:14Why would I bring it on? Why would I bring it on?
17:16See, I don't understand about what he just said.
17:18He said he got into bed because he thought she would give out.
17:21She was asleep.
17:22His argument doesn't match up when he says...
17:24Of course she was asleep, Jeremy, she was just laying there.
17:26Then why didn't you get out of the bed?
17:28Because by your argument, if she was what you say she is,
17:31she'd have given it out.
17:32But isn't the truth she was either over asleep
17:34or didn't want anything like that with you?
17:37No, she didn't, no.
17:38Which is why you got out of bed and said,
17:40tell your sister it was an accident,
17:42cos it proved my f***ing point.
17:44Sorry for my language, but it proved...
17:46Michelle, get a grip.
17:48How many times do I tell you, you never tell me enough?
17:51Don't embarrass yourself, will you?
17:54You're sick. How many times do I tell you?
17:56Sick you are, do you know that?
17:57How many times do I tell you?
17:58No, no, sick, yeah?
18:00Exactly like the other one, yeah?
18:02Both of you, two of you.
18:04Wow. Yeah.
18:05All right, whatever. Yeah.
18:07Well, you don't take any blame for this at all?
18:09Yeah, I do. What?
18:11Cos I entrapped her, if that makes sense.
18:14It's entrapment, what I'd done to prove a point
18:17that I knew what she was up to.
18:19Oh, my God.
18:21Is that the best you can come up for,
18:23the fact that at what age, 40,
18:25you like a girl less than half your age?
18:28APPLAUSE
18:30Do me a favour, both of you, come with me.
18:34There's nothing about her to me.
18:36I can't believe that you seem to think that you're blameless in this.
18:39No, I am to blame as well, Jeremy.
18:41I throw my hands up to her, I put my hands up fully to her.
18:44Then how can you live with the fact that this girl
18:47has fallen out with her sister?
18:49I want this girl to...
18:50You've fallen out with her sister, then?
18:52You are a liar!
18:53And you talk to me about drugs. You take drugs all the time.
18:56You can shout it here.
18:57Drugs, Nicola, you were playing with me all week today.
18:59You're going to have a go at her, yeah?
19:02She'll do what I tell her and I will do what I want.
19:04I had one yesterday. I had one yesterday.
19:06I get one every week.
19:08Every week, I get it. I've been clean for over a year, Michaela.
19:11Sorry to tell you.
19:12You were telling the truth, Darian.
19:14Not late when it comes to getting into bed
19:16with 18-year-old sisters of your girlfriend.
19:18She did tell you today, did she?
19:20You did it yourself and he was telling the truth.
19:22I don't even know you.
19:23I don't care. I know all about you.
19:26Oh, here you say it again, isn't it?
19:28You're disgusting.
19:29You're disgusting.
19:30I can't believe that you're so calm.
19:32You've ruined her life and you've ruined her life.
19:34They have the most amazing bum before you came into it.
19:38You've ruined her life.
19:39What? Are you listening to that?
19:41Amazing bum?
19:42I don't want nothing to do with...
19:44See what I mean? Amazing bum?
19:45Michelle, you're silly because she's done nothing wrong.
19:47So you're just going to walk away?
19:48She's done nothing wrong.
19:49No, she's not.
19:50You know what she's done wrong?
19:51Last time she said...
19:52Don't tell me you want to live and leave.
19:54Why are you getting so angry?
19:57What you've done, Walter, is believe in him.
20:00Elvin Mint.
20:01Well, then maybe you shouldn't take drugs
20:03and you shouldn't trust men like that.
20:09Calmly. Calmly. Listen to me. Listen to me.
20:11Listen. Listen. Listen.
20:13You're just a drugger.
20:14Calm down. It's all right. It's all right.
20:16Just let your friend do the talking.
20:17You've ruined people's lives, darling.
20:18Just relax.
20:19Yes, I do. I know plenty about you.
20:21Look what you've done to him.
20:22Look what you have done.
20:23You've made him...
20:25You've made all this up.
20:27You...
20:28Speaking about yourself.
20:29Speaking about yourself.
20:31She knows what you've done as well.
20:33Not a word a minute.
20:34Right, so, just cos I know the power of television
20:36and when this goes out,
20:37nobody will touch you with a barge pole.
20:39How is she manipulative, then?
20:41Cos she knows exactly what she's done that night.
20:43Let's paint a picture.
20:44You listen to me for a minute.
20:45No, I won't. I'm speaking on your side.
20:47I beg your pardon.
20:48I've listened to you trying to justify your existence forever.
20:50Hold on one second.
20:51Let's paint a picture.
20:52She's lying in her bed.
20:54Yeah.
20:55Awake.
20:56You say that she didn't encourage you to come in the room.
20:59Don't anybody interrupt me.
21:01You went in...
21:02Why didn't you tell me to get up, then?
21:03Why didn't you tell me to get up, Makila?
21:05Why didn't you tell me to get up?
21:06Cos you said you thought I was Michelle.
21:08You thought that straight away, Darren.
21:10Don't lie! Don't lie!
21:12Did he try and have sex with you?
21:14No, he didn't. No, he didn't.
21:16Didn't talk to you?
21:17The minute he realised it was not Michelle,
21:21he got out of bed.
21:22Yeah, I apologise.
21:23Let's just say, Darren...
21:24This is the bit I don't understand, Darren, right?
21:27Let's say...
21:28You know what? You don't know your mate.
21:30Do you know what? You're not making sense here.
21:32Just please shut up and listen to me.
21:34Let's just say...
21:35This is what I don't get about you.
21:37I was going to say to Amy.
21:38This is brilliant.
21:39Let's just say you came out of the bathroom
21:41and you made a mistake.
21:42You'd had a drink or you were tired.
21:43What's this got to do with the bathroom, Jeremy?
21:45Because you've sat out there saying,
21:46I knew she wanted me.
21:48But wasn't that...
21:49It was a build-up, Jeremy. Listen.
21:51It was a build-up of munch kept coming out of the house.
21:53I didn't even want you in the house.
21:55You are to blame for this.
21:57Yeah, I'm partly to blame for it.
21:58Totally to blame.
21:59How is she to blame?
22:01Why didn't you tell me to get out of bed that night?
22:03Don't tell me I said...
22:04And then I turned around and said to you,
22:06I said, listen, if this comes on top,
22:07you'll just see...
22:08I'm not lying to you.
22:09You are.
22:10You're the liar.
22:11You're the liar.
22:12So why didn't you say anything to Michelle the next morning?
22:14Why didn't you say something to Michelle the next morning?
22:16Do you know what?
22:17Jenny, she told me the next day
22:19and she told me exactly what happened.
22:20Oh, whatever.
22:21And you know what?
22:22Whatever.
22:23Do you know what happened?
22:24Can you come with me?
22:25Can you come with me?
22:26Because of what happened.
22:27Could you do me a favour?
22:28Let me...
22:29Just a moment.
22:30Let me explain something.
22:31If you want me to go, I'll go with me.
22:32You know, I've come...
22:33I don't actually care.
22:34I know exactly what I and the world will think about you.
22:36You can do what you want.
22:37Come with me.
22:38Seriously.
22:39Come with me.
22:40Now, listen.
22:41Listen.
22:42I'll tell you what I don't understand in this, OK?
22:44And this is important.
22:45There's a couple of things that I'm a little bit confused about.
22:48I just want to sit you with Michelle, OK?
22:51I don't want any shouting.
22:52I don't want to be near her.
22:53I know, but there's a reason.
22:54Just come with me.
22:56Michelle, can you just do me a favour, please?
22:59Can you just turn round and just answer me one thing with your sister?
23:04Will you sit there, please?
23:10I know this history, right?
23:12And it's difficult for me, I'm being honest, to talk about...
23:15I'm not allowed to, legally.
23:17And that's part of you and the process.
23:20Now, the future, or now and beyond,
23:24I would sort of get that you were really rather annoyed, embarrassed
23:28that this guy had done what he'd done.
23:30I get that, and you've said he's sick and you don't want him to do with it.
23:33But in the calmest possible way, his story doesn't add up.
23:36His argument now is, why didn't she kick him out of bed
23:40and why didn't she tell you?
23:42Please hear me out.
23:44Instead of saying you've done it twice,
23:46let's just say this bloke, by his own admission,
23:49when you watch this back, said she was given out,
23:51I think she wanted me, I got into bed.
23:53He didn't say that she turned me down.
23:56He said I suddenly, what, got a conscience and got out of bed.
23:59His argument to her is, why didn't you kick me out?
24:02She was asleep, she turned up, he gone.
24:04Right? That was how it happened.
24:06The reason she didn't tell you, from the bottom of my heart, in my mind,
24:10is the very, very reason of what you said out there,
24:13because of what happened before, which you can't go into.
24:16I think she genuinely thinks that you wouldn't have believed her.
24:20I don't... I don't think she's responsible.
24:24People like you, people like her, you can say, why didn't you tell me?
24:28If she'd told you, you wouldn't have believed her.
24:30It's unfortunate it's had to come out this way.
24:32These guys come between you.
24:34You've been through enough.
24:36This is a woman, you, who allowed her to look after your kid
24:39while you were off your face on drugs
24:41and now you're calling her every name under the sun.
24:43By the way, him, that doesn't make you a bad person, picking him.
24:46It's just a bad judgement.
24:48Just will you do me a favour and listen to your kid's sister,
24:51who told me, that woman brought me up and is like my mum and I need her.
24:55Look at me.
24:57Please, turn and talk to your sister.
24:59Please. Please.
25:01Come here.
25:03Stop the BS and sit here and talk to your sister.
25:05Come here. For me.
25:07Come here.
25:12I'm going to go to a break.
25:14You've got three minutes to turn your back and listen to her, yes?
25:17For me? Back in a minute.
25:19I've been more of a mum to you than mum, do you know that?
25:22And I have. I know you have.
25:24So why couldn't you tell me then?
25:26You know I'd do anything for you.
25:28Do you know that?
25:30I know, but it's never been the same.
25:32Yes, it has.
25:34Get off me. Get off me.
25:36Get off me.
25:38Show's a front, love.
25:42Have you been accused of cheating?
25:44Do you need to prove your innocence with a lie detector?
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26:11APPLAUSE
26:18Thank you very much indeed.
26:20Michelle?
26:22Speak, Nicola.
26:30I don't know what to say.
26:32I really don't.
26:35I don't usually... I must be getting old,
26:37cos I don't usually say things as clearly as I say this.
26:40But the man you picked might like a younger girl.
26:43Please don't get offended by that comment.
26:45I don't mean to offend you. Right?
26:48You need to tell him where to go, as you've done,
26:51and you need, somehow, to try and talk,
26:54because this is ridiculous.
26:56What do you need from her? Be honest.
26:58What do you need from her? Talk. Come on.
27:00You're sisters.
27:05I don't ever want to forgive her for not believing me.
27:08Talk to her, Michelle.
27:12You say she should have told you, yeah?
27:14Would you have believed her?
27:16If she had told me when it happened, yeah, I would have.
27:19I wish I did.
27:20Can't.
27:21I've said this before.
27:23Michelle...
27:26..she's a victim and so are you.
27:28He's the person that caused this.
27:31You could argue, if you were me, look at me,
27:34that knowing about your history together, he did this.
27:37That's unforgivable.
27:41She said you were her mum.
27:44I've always said that.
27:46Then why couldn't you tell her?
27:48I've been more of a mum to you than mum, do you know that?
27:51And I have. I know you have.
27:53So why couldn't you tell me then?
27:57And it's never been the same, my...
28:00..our relationship.
28:02You know I'd do anything for you.
28:04Do you know that?
28:06I know, but it's never been the same.
28:08Yes, it has! When I sat in Mum's living room and we cried
28:11and our girl drowned you!
28:13I know, but it's still... I've still never thought...
28:16And then the same thing happened all over again.
28:20After the kitchen.
28:23The first time.
28:25What did I tell you in the kitchen?
28:30Can I make a suggestion?
28:33Oi.
28:36I'm more than anybody know what it's like
28:38when you feel people are saying things
28:40or you've been put into a position,
28:42but you two have so much talking,
28:44probably crying, probably shouting
28:46and quite a lot of scenarios to go through,
28:49but you can do that without help, you know?
28:51Even if it doesn't achieve anything.
28:53You love your sister, don't you, Michelle?
28:55Yeah, I do.
28:56You love your sister, don't you, Nicola?
28:58Then why don't you use that as a starting block
29:00in the way that we do on this show?
29:02Why don't you do that?
29:04Tell her.
29:05I don't want to forgive you.
29:09I don't know if I want to forgive you.
29:11But the fact is you love each other.
29:13Is that not a starting point?
29:14Why don't you tell each other? It takes time.
29:19This has gone on too long and other people have caused...
29:22I know, but are you ever going to believe me?
29:24She just said she loves you, you idiot.
29:26Look at me.
29:27I know, but you don't really know me.
29:29Are you going to tell me?
29:32All those texts you were sending me about my sleep problem
29:35and everything, I never like that, Michelle.
29:37You don't know what I'm like.
29:39Well, that's not what I've heard, Mikaela.
29:41People have been talking about you.
29:43People have been talking about you and telling me things.
29:46Would it be a good idea to suggest that a lot of what's happened
29:49is because you actually have never either spoken to each other?
29:52No, we haven't.
29:53Even when I asked you about this six weeks ago,
29:56you didn't even stick up for yourself and say you haven't done it.
29:59I tried ringing you and I couldn't understand you.
30:01If that had happened to me, I would have been at Mam's,
30:04banging the door down, saying I haven't done it.
30:06Can I suggest something?
30:08Graham's going to come in quickly. Listen to me.
30:12You keep talking about the past, this is about the future.
30:15People, both people, all of you, everybody's made mistakes,
30:18but I'm just asking you this.
30:20Do you not think that your sisterly love is enough
30:23to at least try and have this conversation away from the cameras
30:27in the right way, yes or no, with our help?
30:32Yes? Yes?
30:36For me, this story is absolutely what The Jeremy Carr Show is all about,
30:40because if this hadn't been dealt with today,
30:42it would have continued to be a stand-off.
30:44Yes, it was emotional and difficult,
30:46and you're young but you wanted to do it,
30:48and of course you feel what you feel
30:50because of perhaps how you feel, betrayed or whatever, by him.
30:53But you two are sisters, you are blood,
30:56and we, Graham and the team, will do everything we can
30:59to try and bring you together,
31:02and at least when we send you off today,
31:04you've both had your say, yes or no?
31:09You're not having anything more to do with him, I hope. No.
31:12But you'll sit and talk to your sister.
31:14You'll sit and talk to your sister.
31:16Gee, man, it's all yours. Give them a round of applause.
31:27I mean, that sort of story is such a journey, isn't it?
31:30You look at that and you think there's a bloke
31:32that's come between two sisters,
31:34and you sort of hope that they can actually, at the end of the day,
31:37deal with their stuff and get it sorted,
31:39and that's the most important thing.
31:41Oh, listen to this. Somebody's just told me.
31:43AUDIENCE GROANS
31:45That... That's nice.
31:50I've said this before and I'll say it again.
31:52The critics of this show don't understand.
31:54This show is about conflict resolution.
31:56That young girl there and her sister at Loggerhead,
31:58screaming and shouting, and yet,
32:00having dealt with him and brought the sisters together,
32:03not saying it's perfect and it's ideal,
32:05but hopefully that puts them in a far better position
32:08than they were half an hour ago. We'll let you know what happens.
32:11Good luck to them. My next guest today, Katie,
32:13is desperate to discover if her boyfriend Dawood has been cheating.
32:16The couple have a 20-week-old son together,
32:18but Katie says the birth was so traumatic
32:20that the baby ended up in intensive care.
32:22She's adamant that while she was in hospital with her son,
32:25her boyfriend was out cheating.
32:27She says today is make or break, and if Dawood fails,
32:30their relationship is done.
32:32Katie, next on The Jeremy Carr Show. Give her a round of applause.
32:42You got the look of somebody as you came round the corner
32:45who fully expects this boy to be a cheat.
32:47Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
32:50There's just... There's a part of this that makes me want to go,
32:53ARGH!
32:55You've been with... Is it Dawood? Dawood, yeah.
32:57Dawood. Yeah. As in Yarwood, but Dawood. Yeah.
33:00I've been with Dawood for two years.
33:02When I first got with him, it was more of a fling.
33:05What do you mean by that? It was just sex? Yeah. Yeah.
33:08Yeah, just like, I don't know, when my kids used to go to my mum's,
33:11I'd go out and party and meet up with him.
33:14And have lots of sex. Yeah.
33:16You didn't expect a relationship from him.
33:18I got pregnant.
33:19Well, you're 30 and it was your dream when he was 20. Yeah.
33:23But you get pregnant really quickly. Yeah.
33:25Are you pleased? Does he freak out? What's the story?
33:28At first, he did, yeah.
33:30HE COUGHS
33:31He got a bit scared, but it didn't matter anyway cos I lost the baby.
33:35But we actually... That brought us really close together.
33:38We ended up getting together.
33:39You said he was immature, though.
33:41He'd go out drinking three straight days with his mates.
33:43Yeah, when I was pregnant with Leighton,
33:45yeah, that's when things just went to s***, really.
33:49Have you had a child with him?
33:51Yeah, yeah, Leighton, he's 20 weeks old now.
33:54But when I first had Leighton, I went to hospital,
33:58had a security guard deliver my baby, and then from there...
34:02Hold on a second, hold on a minute. Say that again.
34:05I had a security guard deliver my baby.
34:07LAUGHTER
34:09Oh-ho-ho-ho!
34:13I don't know, really, we're going to have a calendar of your best bits.
34:17And now, apparently, to be an all-round security guard,
34:21you have to be able to deliver a baby.
34:23Could you imagine that? Yeah.
34:25What would you say?
34:27Towels in hot water, Mr Kyle, the baby's coming!
34:30I think he'd be good as a mid-father, wouldn't he, on mid-radio calling?
34:34APPLAUSE
34:36He'd be all right, wouldn't he?
34:37Would you have minded Steve delivering your baby?
34:39No, of course not.
34:40Oh, really? You like them, do you?
34:42On a serious note, this is what I don't understand.
34:45The baby ended up in intensive care.
34:47You're utterly convinced that whilst you were going through
34:49probably the most traumatic thing a parent could go through,
34:51that he cheated on you?
34:52Yeah, and six weeks ago, because...
34:54And six weeks ago? Yeah, because...
34:56Let's just talk about when you were in intensive care and the baby was.
34:59He couldn't stay with me, so I stayed there by myself.
35:03Why couldn't he stay with you?
35:05Well, we didn't know at first that he was allowed.
35:07Well, he just went home anyway, and I stayed there with the baby.
35:10And then when you saw him later, he had a hickey on his neck
35:12and he smelled of sex.
35:13No, this is when I... No, no, no, no, no.
35:15This is before I was pregnant. I did explain that to...
35:18Yeah, I know. I'm going to do that in a minute.
35:20You think that whilst you were in intensive care,
35:22he was out messing around. Yeah, yeah.
35:24Six weeks ago, you went on his Facebook
35:26and saw that he deleted all of his messes.
35:28That makes you suspicious. I'm poking him.
35:30But here's the bit I don't understand,
35:32cos I think you're quite switched on unless you're not,
35:34and we're having a problem.
35:35You're saying, if this bloke cheated on me
35:37whilst my kid was in intensive care,
35:39that's the lowest of the low.
35:41And yet you've got definitive proof that that lowlife
35:43had sex with somebody else whilst you were pregnant.
35:46Why is this different?
35:47Why didn't you get him to do one before when he did that to you?
35:51I don't understand that. Use that picture.
35:55Use that picture.
35:56You see that slug look on his face?
35:58He's got you exactly where he wants.
36:00Look at him. He's like that. It doesn't matter.
36:02So, if he cheated on you whilst the kid was in intensive care,
36:05he's gone, but it was all right when you were at the Duff, yeah?
36:08No, no, obviously not, but I forgot about that.
36:10It was hard. I haven't forgot about it, obviously.
36:12I haven't forgot about it, but I said to him,
36:14I'm never going to be able to forget about it.
36:16I'm always going to have paranoid issues.
36:18What if she fails the lie detector today?
36:20Oh, it's done.
36:21Obviously, I'll never stop him from seeing his kid.
36:23He's a pucker dad. I'm never going to knock him for my...
36:26Pucker, love that.
36:28Never going to knock him about my kid's Ava.
36:30He's wicked. He really is.
36:31But if he's done anything with anybody...
36:33Gone, gone, bye, gone.
36:34APPLAUSE
36:36Give him a round of applause. Well done.
36:45Why are you smoking?
36:47You cheated on her when she was pregnant.
36:49Yeah, I was young at the time.
36:51How old are you now?
36:5220.
36:53Well, how old were you?
36:5418.
36:55Oh, right, that's the difference, then, is it?
36:57A lot, yeah, a lot. Why?
36:58I've got a child now, so I've grown up.
37:00Right, so why does she think you were out having sex?
37:03You tell me. It's just the paranoia from the past.
37:06Talk to each other.
37:08She never talks to me. We can't talk to each other.
37:10No, we never talk to each other. Why don't you try now?
37:13Tell her how you feel. You tell him how you feel. Come on.
37:16I don't know. Honestly, I don't know how he feels.
37:18Talk to him!
37:20Like, when you've been talking to Claire and Troy today,
37:22my friends in the audience...
37:23Who are Claire and Troy?
37:25All right.
37:26Like, he never says one bad thing about me,
37:28how much he loves me and all that, but I never hear this from him.
37:31Talk to him! Cos you don't talk to me.
37:33No, cos I always think that you're going off doing stupid things.
37:36Yeah, but you think that. That's my past. I've changed now.
37:39Yeah, and then, six weeks ago, you had messages on Facebook
37:42and you were poking her, or you were...
37:45You. Poke, poke.
37:48Were you poking girls?
37:50Oh, I can't remember it now.
37:52You can't remember if you poke someone?
37:54No.
37:55Why are you doing a lie detector? Then that confuses me as well.
37:58No, Katie.
37:59Why?
38:00Because, in the past, there was a rumour going around
38:03that she slept with someone that I know.
38:05And, um...
38:07So, if she had, would you dump her?
38:09How could she possibly...
38:11I'd try, for the kid's sake, yeah.
38:13Really? But you cheated on her, you didn't give a damn about the kids.
38:16I know, that's what I'm saying.
38:17So you're saying that, from that moment, that you made a mistake,
38:20cos you were young, everything's snowballed since that moment,
38:23and if you stand by her, you'll prove that this is paranoia.
38:26What if he's done anything?
38:29He knows, he's gone, he will not be coming in my taxi home
38:32with me and my children.
38:37Cos I've took him back, you know, I've took him back.
38:40That's all the front end, she's messed around, what happens?
38:42Chalk it out, one each?
38:44Let's do those all-important double lie detector results.
38:46We'll start with you, Dawood.
38:48Go on.
38:49You say, I was 18, I was immature, I made a mistake.
38:52We asked Dawood, since the birth of your son,
38:54since the birth of your son, have you passionately kissed anyone else?
38:57You said no. Why did you say no?
38:59Cos you're a liar, pal.
39:01What are you doing? What are you doing?
39:04Get off me, get off me.
39:06Get off me.
39:07Show the front of.
39:09Don't start on me.
39:11Where's she gone?
39:13Who are you with?
39:14We're both with him.
39:15I'm so sorry.
39:17I might remind her.
39:20Er, hello.
39:23I knew it.
39:24Since the birth of your son, have you had sexual contact with anyone else?
39:27It says no, it says you were lying.
39:28You lied on every single question.
39:30However, please listen to me, listen to me.
39:32If you go into that test, lying, listen to me,
39:35about anything, it makes you out to be a liar.
39:40Oh, my God, mate.
39:42You knew it, didn't you?
39:43He was too smug for my liking.
39:45It'd be better if he admitted to it.
39:47Right.
39:48What happens?
39:49Oh, my God, I just want to throw up.
39:52Oh, my life is gone now.
39:55No, it hasn't.
39:56No, this is where you start to rebuild, Katie.
39:59Katie, this is where you start to rebuild.
40:01Listen, this is where you start to rebuild.
40:03All right?
40:05He's acting so confident.
40:06Oh, my nerves.
40:07If you're nervous, Katie, I hope you know,
40:09you're going to come up as you're lying because you're nervous.
40:11Oh, no.
40:13Let me just go and...
40:14This is a man who's now telling me,
40:16come with me, Stephen,
40:17this is a man who's now telling me
40:18that apparently it's the show's fault.
40:20I love that.
40:21Why is it the show's fault?
40:22Why is it the show's fault?
40:24Come on, mate, admit it.
40:25Admit what?
40:26If you go into that test and anything happens,
40:28listen to me, anything at all,
40:30it will make you out to be a liar.
40:31Something's happened.
40:32Tell the truth.
40:33Come on, mate.
40:34I will tell you.
40:35I'm hurt.
40:36What happened?
40:37Nothing.
40:38Then what did you feel?
40:39You tell me.
40:40Nothing happened.
40:41I ain't slept with no one.
40:42I'm not saying you slept...
40:43Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah.
40:46If you've kissed at a quick grope,
40:48listen to me and you...
40:50I'm going to say this until I'm blue in the face.
40:52If you go in and you tell one little porcupine,
40:55you're done for.
40:56That's the truth.
40:57When?
40:58I don't know.
40:59The time when I think about you, dirty little perv.
41:02Was it?
41:03Now.
41:04Yeah, look at me now.
41:05I don't want to be there.
41:06We're done.
41:07You're not coming home, wouldn't you, in a taxi?
41:09OK, Darlene.
41:10Why does she want her to go?
41:12You ain't coming back to that hotel, are we, bar?
41:14You ain't coming back to our hotel.
41:16We ain't coming in there.
41:17Do you acknowledge that maybe something smaller happened?
41:23Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
41:24I do acknowledge that, but I never slept with no one.
41:26I'm lying.
41:27Don't you acknowledge that you might...
41:28You failed on all of them.
41:29Hold on a second.
41:30I've just explained that.
41:31If you failed on one,
41:32so you went in there and you lied about something,
41:34you might have kissed her.
41:35No, I didn't.
41:36No, I didn't lie.
41:37I didn't think I would.
41:38You're a liar.
41:39Shut up.
41:40Listen to me.
41:41Listen to me, right?
41:42What do you mean?
41:43I wasn't thinking about it.
41:44He asked me the questions and I answered them.
41:46You might have kissed somebody, though.
41:47I don't know.
41:48You might have done.
41:49I don't know.
41:50Like she said...
41:51Come in next turn, lie detector results, right?
41:53So you lied as well.
41:56So you told him, when you were on a break,
41:59you kissed a bloke, that you had sex with him, yes or no?
42:01Yeah.
42:02So we said to her,
42:03since the start of your relationship with Darlwood,
42:04apart from the one occasion you just admitted to,
42:06have you passionately kissed anyone else?
42:07You said that.
42:08Why don't you say that?
42:10So this just in, and it's breaking news this morning, apparently, Graham.
42:14Something big is happening in Media City.
42:16Yeah, let's find out what's happening from our weatherman.
42:19There's a storm brewing, Mr Kyle.
42:21FIRE!
42:25FIRE!
42:26Good morning and a big, big welcome to the show.
42:28FIRE!
42:32FIRE!
42:33You've been...
42:34FIRED!
42:37Come on, Greg!
42:39Get out of my studio, get in there.
42:45Get off him, get off him.
42:47Come on, little man, bring it.
42:49Come in, come in, come in.
42:53Hi.
42:56Get the camera away, get away!
43:00We're on stage now.
43:04Don't you dare!
43:07Don't you dare!
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43:53Welcome back.
43:54It's great to see you all again.
43:56What are you saying?
43:57It's great to see you all again.
43:58Do you accept that when you entered that test,
44:00something might have made you out to be a liar, yes or no?
44:02Yeah, so the lie detector was right, wasn't it?
44:04Yeah.
44:05What did happen then?
44:06I don't know what happened.
44:08There ain't no sex bluffing like that.
44:10No, but you might have snogged somebody.
44:12No, no, snogged.
44:13What do you mean a snog?
44:14It could have been a kiss, anything.
44:16Anything.
44:17We asked Katie a note from the lie detector expert.
44:20She admitted she had sexual intercourse with one man
44:23whilst on a break.
44:24She says she told Di with that, she kissed the man
44:27and that she's not told him that she actually slept with him.
44:30No, I didn't tell you that.
44:31So you lied as well?
44:33So you told him when you were on a break,
44:35you kissed a bloke, but you had sex with him, yes or no?
44:37Yeah.
44:38So we said to her,
44:39since the start of your relationship with Darlwood,
44:41apart from the one occasion you've just admitted to,
44:43have you passionately kissed anyone else?
44:44You said no.
44:45Why did you say no?
44:46I said I didn't tell you.
44:47She says you're a liar, love as well.
44:48You can tell me the test's wrong,
44:50because guess what, Darlwood,
44:51she failed every single question as well.
44:55So he said the test was right.
44:56So what, you didn't kiss that bloke more than once,
44:58you went in there and lied as well, didn't you?
45:00I didn't kiss him more than once.
45:01He knows the test is right,
45:02he knows that he was lying,
45:03and he now knows you were lying.
45:05You were lying though, weren't you?
45:06Yeah, yeah, I was.
45:07No, I didn't kiss him more than once,
45:08it was a fact of truth.
45:09Oh, my God.
45:10He said, he just admitted that he was lying.
45:14Come with me, come on.
45:15But mine won.
45:16Darlwood, come here a sec.
45:17And then I slept with someone.
45:18This is interesting.
45:19We've now got,
45:20she believed that you were a liar,
45:21but now she doesn't believe the test.
45:23This bloke's just said he was lying,
45:24and the test's right.
45:25We've been all the way here,
45:26and this test doesn't fit.
45:27You know I didn't sleep with someone.
45:29No, you didn't, I swear.
45:30No, you didn't, you didn't.
45:31I just admitted it on the test.
45:32Yeah, just admitted it just now.
45:33Yeah, and that's it.
45:34Right now, you've admitted it.
45:35No, we added that,
45:36and the questions don't get smug.
45:37I swear on my freedom,
45:38I've never ever done anything
45:39as one with that one person.
45:40It's funny though,
45:41can I tell you something
45:42without you getting upset?
45:43And I've got nothing against you.
45:44You've suddenly stopped crying, love, haven't you?
45:46There's not a tear in your goddam eye.
45:47Yeah, because I was on the wire, honestly, I haven't.
45:49You were giving it large a minute ago.
45:50There's like two people.
45:51So you've both been lying, right?
45:52Never since I've had my children.
45:54So you weren't mad at her
45:55because you both messed around, no?
45:56No, no, because I've never,
45:57he's never come in that way with me.
45:59So you failed the test then?
46:00I don't know, I was...
46:01Because you were lying.
46:02I was not lying, I mean the truth.
46:04You went in the test and you said
46:05I've only ever told him I kissed somebody
46:06in a break, I had sex with somebody
46:07and we added that in and you still failed.
46:08Yeah, because it was with a different person.
46:09So you believe his test
46:10but you don't believe yours.
46:11At least he believes his test.
46:13Yeah, because mine was with a different person.
46:15I didn't kiss and have sex with the same person.
46:17So are we together or what?
46:19No, we are not, no.
46:20Mine was mostly when I was in hospital,
46:22so no way.
46:23All right, so it's all right
46:24for him to have sex with somebody
46:25or mess around if you're not in hospital?
46:26I was with him.
46:27He did it.
46:28I wasn't with him when I done mine though,
46:29we were split up.
46:30Oh, so you did do one then?
46:31You just said you didn't.
46:32I told him.
46:33I just told him I slept with someone
46:34and then kissed someone.
46:35Look, right, let's do it again.
46:36Katie admitted that she had sexual intercourse
46:38with one man whilst on a break.
46:40She says she'd only told Darwin
46:41that she'd kissed the man
46:42and not told him that she'd actually slept with him.
46:44Is that true?
46:45Yeah.
46:46And you did that before the test
46:47and you lied.
46:48Apart from the one person you just admitted,
46:51have you...
46:52You know you've kissed somebody else
46:53apart from that bloke.
46:54No, I didn't.
46:55I kissed him again
46:56because he kept trying to own me.
46:57Oh, it's you!
46:58OK, so let me just have this out
46:59because I'm having a great morning.
47:00And it was before I even got pregnant
47:01with my son.
47:02The lie detector.
47:03So you're both telling me
47:04the lie detector was right?
47:06Yeah.
47:09I've already told you my answer.
47:10Yeah, but mine went
47:11when I was pregnant or nothing.
47:13Did you sleep with anybody?
47:14No, I didn't.
47:15Did you...
47:16I slept with someone.
47:17You had sex.
47:18I've admitted it.
47:19I've admitted it.
47:20So you did have sex with someone?
47:21Yeah.
47:24Honestly, hey,
47:25I can't do another one
47:26just on that one question.
47:27I'm not doing any more.
47:28You two shouldn't be together.
47:29There's more chances
47:30you should be with her.
47:31It's not working.
47:32What about the video?
47:38So you lied to him?
47:40Yeah, I didn't tell him the full truth.
47:41Yeah.
47:42So it ain't all my fault.
47:43You can't put it all down on me.
47:44Yeah, but mine happened not
47:45way before Layden was born,
47:46way before I was pregnant.
47:47You cheated me.
47:48You cheated me.
47:49When I was pregnant, yeah,
47:50and then when I was in hospital...
47:51Oh, here we go.
47:52It don't matter, you two.
47:53You've done the same.
47:54You've done the same.
47:55You are not coming back
47:56to this hotel with me.
47:57I don't want to.
47:58So you better not get a taxi
47:59to Harry's.
48:00I'll be calling the police
48:01to make sure you don't come in there.
48:02But you lied as well, yeah?
48:03Yeah.
48:04Tears have dried up, yeah?
48:05No.
48:06You lied.
48:07So you're not together.
48:08This is over, yeah?
48:09Yeah, definitely.
48:10Yeah?
48:11Definitely.
48:12Right, it's been a real pleasure.
48:13But the lie detector was right, yeah?
48:14Yeah.
48:15The lie detector was right.
48:16A round of applause.
48:17Thanks very much.
48:21Well, that's pretty obvious then.
48:22The relationship didn't work
48:23and they both admitted
48:24the lie detector was right
48:25and they're both liars.
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