The Jeremy Kyle Show (09 Feb 2017)
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00:10On today's show...
00:12My ex Tracey has poisoned my daughter Misty against me to the point where now she won't let me see my grandkids.
00:18Well you even doubt that Misty might be yours?
00:20Yes.
00:24Now you're telling me that she's not yours? Why did you take him 21 years?
00:28He used to walk in when I was getting dressed. He used to try and kiss me on my cheeks when I didn't want him to.
00:32Didn't you catch him going through your underwear drawer?
00:35Trust me. He is a lying little...
00:43I've seen carpet burns on her knees.
00:45Yeah?
00:46We've taken a shot of her knees.
00:50Oh, hello.
00:52Swollen lips.
00:53I'm off to work. I'm off to work and she's got crap lips.
00:56Ritzy wool in his head. I've always had a big bottom lip. I always have.
01:00People are dying for my lips.
01:03We ask cases to start a relationship with Lee. Have you passionately kissed anyone else? You said no. Why did you say no?
01:08Tell the truth.
01:24CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
01:31Hello, my friends. Good morning and a big, big welcome to the show.
01:34Our first guest today, Steve, is here to confront his daughter, Misty,
01:37whom he claims has been brainwashed by her mother into turning against him
01:41and has now blocked any contact with his grandchildren, including a 14-week-old baby he's never met.
01:46Steve says Misty doesn't seem interested in starting a relationship with him because of the past
01:50and says that she needs to let things go so they can start afresh.
01:54She says, I'm your dad. I love you. Steve's on The Kyle Show. That way.
01:58CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
02:13You nearly got on before the music ended, how are you?
02:15I'm all right, thank you.
02:16Welcome to the show, my friend. Take a seat.
02:19Put them down, cos... All right, we haven't started yet.
02:22Wait. Steve, welcome to the show.
02:26Who's that?
02:29Oh, hello.
02:32Is that your ex? Yeah.
02:34That's Tracy. Be quiet, you lot. You should be at work. Right, Steve.
02:38He's an idiot.
02:40We'll ascertain that. Let me get there, please.
02:43OK, OK, sorry.
02:46Right. Normal service is resumed. Are you all right?
02:50Yeah. Can we try and get with it?
02:53You're Misty's dad, you're in a relationship now with Hayley,
02:57but Tracy is your ex. Your top line is very simple.
03:01My ex, Tracy, has poisoned my daughter, Misty, against me
03:05to the point where now she won't let me see my grandkids.
03:08Basically, yeah. Why?
03:10She thinks I'm a bit of a lowlife and everything like that,
03:14I'm not good enough for her, you know.
03:16Hold on, please!
03:18So you were with Tracy then, yeah?
03:20Yeah, for a little while.
03:22That's Misty, your daughter. What do you mean, for a little while?
03:25How long were you with her for?
03:27Maybe a year. But Misty was the result of your...
03:30Shut up! Lose the picture!
03:33Why are you here?
03:35To get custody of my... Well, to be able to see my grandchildren.
03:40Why has it stopped?
03:41Have you had any sort of relationship with Misty at all, ever?
03:44On and off. What do you mean, on and off?
03:46You knew she was your child, you and Tracy split up.
03:49When she was growing up, did you see lots of her or what?
03:52No, because it was very awkward, because she used to stop access.
03:56Who stopped access? Tracy.
03:58Did you make enough effort?
04:00Oh, God! I did make effort.
04:02Did you make enough effort? No.
04:04You told my team, I believe, that you've got to the point
04:07where you even doubt that Misty might be yours, is that right?
04:11Yes.
04:12You did what?!
04:15You've got DNA doubts.
04:17Well, you're smiling, but I don't understand.
04:19You're either here trying to be serious or you're not.
04:21Put them down. I know for a lot of people it's nerve-wracking,
04:24I know it's difficult, but you've got to say to these people
04:27and convince them, do you understand?
04:29Yeah, I'm putting you away over there.
04:31Stand by. Tracy's on the Jeremy Carr Show that way.
04:38You're having a laugh, aren't you?
04:41All these popsy lies you keep telling.
04:44Now you're telling me that she's not yours?
04:46Why has it taken 21 years?
04:48I had doubts, I didn't say she wasn't mine.
04:50Right, well, why didn't you tell me then?
04:52Because I know 100% that she's yours.
04:55So why all of a sudden do we have to have this, she's not mine?
04:58And why are you kicking off about seeing the grandchildren?
05:01Because if she's not yours, they're not your grandkids.
05:04Are they?
05:07Oh, yeah, I will. OK.
05:10Hello. Hello.
05:13Is Miss Dears? Yes, she is.
05:15He only dumped that on us this morning,
05:17otherwise we'd have done a DNA test.
05:19I don't know what this is about. This is a man who said,
05:22your mum has stopped me from being a dad,
05:24you've banned me from seeing my grandchildren,
05:26I want to do more with my life.
05:28What's your response to that? What sort of father was he?
05:31A useless waste of space.
05:34Father?
05:36You're going to say anything, mate, cos I can't do this on my own.
05:39I was scared of her.
05:42Honestly, I was scared of her.
05:44Why?
05:46You've been in a relationship with Hayley, where's Hayley?
05:49I'm not scared of Hayley.
05:53Is he...? Hayley helped me out, he's as nervous as anything now.
05:56What's the story here? What are we trying to achieve?
05:59What he wants to do is to get the relationship...
06:01Do you know what? Are you mic'd up? Can you get me a chair?
06:04Get Hayley on the chair. Come here.
06:06Get here. Get here.
06:13Hayley, I understand that people freak out in terms of cameras
06:16and all that, but I can't help somebody
06:18if they can't tell me why they're here.
06:20This is a guy who came to us and said,
06:22my ex has poisoned my daughter against me,
06:25the result is I have no relationship with her,
06:27I'm now banned from seeing my grandkids,
06:29I've been with Hayley for 14 years, I'm a good dad, I want the chance.
06:33Steve wants to get his relationship back with his daughter.
06:36Well, he's going to have to get a rocket up his backside
06:39and show her that he gives a damn, isn't he?
06:43What does he want you to do?
06:46Steve could have definitely done more in the past...
06:49Why didn't you do more, Steve? ..to keep in touch with Misty.
06:51Why didn't you?
06:53Like I said, I was too scared to open my mouth.
06:55But Misty came to live with you.
06:57She said, you're that tight and you're a benefits sheet,
06:59you only let her have one bath a week.
07:01She did not come to live with you.
07:03That's what she said. She did not come to live with us,
07:05we went to live with her.
07:07We gave up the flat in New Haven...
07:09Steve, Steve, she feels pushed out,
07:13she feels like you never made effort.
07:15I was expecting you to come out and say,
07:17look, I haven't done enough and be positive
07:19and this is what I want to do.
07:21It's either in you to want to prove to this girl
07:23that you love her and you want to restart a relationship
07:26and thus see what might or might not be your grandchildren or not.
07:30She can't do it, she's not going to do it,
07:32I'm not actually paid enough because I'm knackered anyway,
07:35and in a minute, right, your daughter's going to come out.
07:38So I'm going to have a sleep and she's there. Go!
07:41And you want to build a relationship back
07:44by accusing your dad of going in your knicker drawer?
07:47He's been going through all my clothes.
07:49I don't think so.
07:51Do you want him to do a DNA or do you believe he's your dad
07:53and you just want him to step up? It's your show.
07:57At times, he follows me to the toilet.
08:01You don't look at me like that.
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08:42Thank you very much indeed. Welcome back.
08:44Before the break, Steve Haley and Tracey.
08:46Sorry, don't take what I'm saying the wrong way.
08:49I understand cameras and all that, right?
08:51But you love this girl.
08:53Yes, I do, yes.
08:54Then why are you telling us you're the love?
08:56It's taken 25 years for you to say, I love you.
09:00And you haven't even said it to her face yet.
09:02I've always loved her.
09:03But you've said to us...
09:04You haven't said it to her, have you?
09:06Oh, come on, you can't pinpoint...
09:08She's said it to her.
09:09You know, last night, you dumped us in and said,
09:12I don't even think...
09:13Oh, let's get her out.
09:14Misty, the girl in the middle, give her a round of applause.
09:24Misty, help me out of this.
09:25We had a guy come to us and say,
09:27your mum stopped me from being a dad,
09:28you banned me from my grandkids, I love you,
09:30I haven't done enough.
09:31Last night, he says I don't even know if she's mine.
09:33We didn't have time to do it.
09:36Well, I've been told that you are my dad
09:38and that's the end of it.
09:39And if you don't back up your ideas,
09:41you won't be seeing my kids ever again.
09:43We haven't anyway.
09:45You have seen Lily.
09:46You've seen Lily?
09:47Yes, we did.
09:48You haven't made any effort.
09:50When did you make the effort?
09:51Yeah, twice, that's it.
09:52Karen is now three months old.
09:54What about a phone call to her saying,
09:58I'll meet you in Eastbourne?
10:00We tried bringing her, she flunked our calls.
10:02We tried all that.
10:03No, I didn't.
10:04Growing up, what sort of effort, hello?
10:06Growing up, what sort of effort did Steve make?
10:09Nothing.
10:10You've got to answer that, Steve.
10:12Can't you sit there looking sorry for yourself?
10:14If she's your daughter, explain to her
10:16why you didn't do enough.
10:18I used to come round,
10:20to come round and see you.
10:22Not really, cos I don't remember seeing you
10:24when I was a child, so...
10:25Yeah, I used to come round,
10:27come round and spend time with you.
10:29When?
10:30Every so often, when I used to come round,
10:32I'd spend time, have a cup of tea and everything.
10:35When you got married to Hayley,
10:36why was Misty the only one who had to wear
10:38a different bridesmaid's dress?
10:39Why was that?
10:40No, that was not mine.
10:42What's it to do with me?
10:43No, you're not putting that on me.
10:45She was invited to the wedding.
10:48She was invited.
10:49She was invited, Steve,
10:50but you told her to get a dress for her.
10:52Oh, now he speaks.
10:54Isn't it true you told us
10:55that she's pushed you out as well?
10:56Come on, back it up.
10:57Yes, she has.
10:58You've got to answer this.
10:59I've pushed you out?
11:00Yeah, since you've been married to him,
11:02I've been...
11:03You've never been pushed out.
11:04Yes, you have.
11:05She's always been the black sheep with you lot.
11:07You've always been welcome.
11:08She's wearing a different dress at your wedding.
11:10Why?
11:11Because we didn't know
11:12whether she was going to come or not.
11:14We rang her up.
11:15We didn't ask him it.
11:16We did, you were invited.
11:17Tracey knows that.
11:18If we knew she was...
11:19And that's why I had to buy her that bridesmaid's dress
11:22because I didn't know what one dresses you had for her.
11:25Because if you'd let her come with us,
11:27then she could have come to the fitting.
11:29So Tracey has stopped her from seeing Steve,
11:31is that what you're saying?
11:32Yeah.
11:33But you sat there and admitted you hadn't done enough.
11:35We invited her to the wedding
11:37because that's what we wanted.
11:39That's last minute, yes.
11:40Okay?
11:41No, it wasn't last minute.
11:42So she would have got the same dress as everybody else.
11:45Because we didn't know whether she was coming,
11:47so your mum should have gotten you a dress.
11:49I agree.
11:50Misty, hold on a minute, Steve.
11:52You said to us, you know,
11:53I went to live with them when I was a teenager.
11:55It was an absolute nightmare.
11:57Yes, it was.
11:58How?
11:59I used to stay in my room all day long.
12:01And whose choice was that?
12:02That was your choice.
12:03Yours.
12:04How many times did we try and get you downstairs?
12:06She felt a bit intimidated with what you was doing to her.
12:09I wasn't doing anything to her.
12:10Doing what?
12:12Going through her wardrobe and going in her bedroom
12:15when she's in there.
12:16Not knocking.
12:17Lies.
12:18So let me get this right.
12:19Steve has come here to say
12:21I want to have a relationship with my daughter.
12:24The ex, no disrespect, is quite groggy
12:28and said you've been a rubbish father,
12:30to which Steve said yes.
12:31Hayley's come down, supported him,
12:33been with him for 14 years.
12:35I can honestly, truthfully and say that, really, Misty,
12:38if you want it all to work out
12:41and for us all to come back together,
12:43then we've just got to stop this,
12:45because this is just silly.
12:46Well, you need to start backing your ideas up
12:48before you even see my son.
12:50You haven't seen your grandson.
12:52You've got a son he hasn't seen in 14 weeks.
12:54What about the money we used to send you?
12:56What money?
12:57I think you gave me, what, £10 when I was pregnant,
12:59and that's it.
13:00Regular basis.
13:01Not really.
13:02We've got the bank accounts, Misty, to back it up.
13:04I didn't ask for money.
13:06You didn't ask us.
13:08Hayley, he's trying me as one of the most reasonable people.
13:11I'm trying to, Ben.
13:12Has he done enough?
13:14Sometimes he could have done more.
13:17I could have done more, but some of it was forgetfulness.
13:20That was it.
13:21What?
13:22The forgetfulness has only come on, what, two years now?
13:25Yeah.
13:26But you've had this whatever.
13:27Yeah, yeah.
13:28Right?
13:29What is this whatever?
13:30Before that, he wasn't really an excuse.
13:32I own up.
13:33Before that, he wasn't really an excuse.
13:35And, you know, there are rules in all areas of life.
13:39I was talking to Graham about it this morning.
13:41No, you're on medication.
13:42No, you've had a hard time.
13:44But I struggle with, because I'm on medication or I've had a hard time,
13:49you've got a daughter.
13:50Well, I didn't see her because of forgetfulness.
13:52I'm really sorry, but you should be a parent.
13:56And furthermore, if you now acknowledge that you haven't done enough,
14:03then, like your wife, you sit there and you're reasonable and you give something.
14:07Maybe she is angry.
14:08Maybe she's saying things.
14:09But you said to us, almost before we came on, you said,
14:14I don't even think she's mine.
14:16Look at that screen.
14:18I'll tell you one thing else as well, Misty.
14:20You might be my stepdaughter, but I love you very, very much.
14:25And I always have done, and I always will do.
14:29And no matter what goes on, and no matter what is said, good or bad,
14:34that will never change.
14:36And as far as I'm concerned, I will always see you whenever you want me to.
14:41I'm the one who always has to make the effort for finding you.
14:43Do you think it would be fair to say that your husband,
14:48whatever problems he's got, needs a size 10 right up his backside?
14:53You're able to talk very honestly and I think very well,
14:59acknowledge that perhaps more could have been done,
15:02acknowledge that maybe out of anger certain things are being said.
15:05I miss her. I miss her a lot.
15:07And you wouldn't be here unless you wanted a relationship.
15:10Would it not be fair to say this woman actually has done more
15:14and appears far more reasonable than he ever has?
15:17Wouldn't that be fair?
15:18I've sat with you so many times in your bedroom
15:22when you were quite emotional, when you were quite down.
15:24I like you, Hayley, very much.
15:26And I used to say to you, are you all right?
15:28Talk to me. You know, you can tell me whatever.
15:31Can I pick up on something that came out?
15:34You've made some allegations that your father refutes you said about DNA.
15:39I suspect that a lot has been said to point score, which always worries me.
15:43Yeah.
15:44Do you really have DNA doubts, if you're absolutely honest?
15:47You do, don't you?
15:50I think even if we did do that, I'd still love her as my daughter anyway.
15:57I can do a DNA test. She can do that. It's not a problem.
16:00But at the end of the day, that is down to you.
16:02For me, you've got a daughter of 21 who you haven't done enough for.
16:06She has two kids.
16:08And actually, whatever she might say, look at her,
16:10she wouldn't be here, right, unless she wanted to try and make something work.
16:15Of course her mother's going to think you're a piece of whatever,
16:18because she's been there and you haven't.
16:20It's not about being scared of her.
16:22And it shouldn't be down to this lady.
16:24It should be down to you, my friend, to convince her.
16:27That's all it is.
16:33How long do you carry on with this?
16:35You want to do a DNA, we'll do it.
16:39OK.
16:40If you do a DNA, right, and it comes back that she is yours,
16:45I will make sure that she never has contact with you or your grandchildren again.
16:50But that doesn't...
16:52No, it's not...
16:54For 21 years, he has said he is her dad.
16:59And now he says that she's not his, but he wants to see his grandchildren.
17:04I don't think so.
17:07You can't have your breast butt at both sides.
17:09It's not down to you, it's down to Misty at the end of the day.
17:12No, it's not, because she's a grown woman now and she's a mother.
17:15At the end of the day, it's Misty's choice.
17:17Yeah, so it's not down to you.
17:19No, it's not.
17:20Misty, do you want him to do a DNA,
17:22or do you believe he's your dad and you just want him to step up?
17:25It's your show.
17:26I do believe he's my dad, I do want him to step up.
17:28If he doesn't, he's never meeting my kids, won't see my kids ever again.
17:32I want him to step up.
17:34Do you want to do the DNA?
17:36I will step up.
17:37We don't need a DNA test, don't do that, please.
17:41Misty?
17:42Misty doesn't want it, I don't want it.
17:44Are you sure about that? If you're making me say I don't want it,
17:47I would definitely have it if you're going to try and make me not do it.
17:50Cos I will do it if you're going to try and make me not do it.
17:53Hold on a second, if he's got doubts and you want to do it, we'll do it,
17:56we'll bring you back and then please, God, we can try and make this work.
17:59Steve, do me one favour as you leave this set.
18:01Don't sit out there and go, oh, Jeremy Cole's a bit harsh on me.
18:04Mate, if this girl is your daughter, OK, you patently haven't done enough.
18:08She's a little bit hacked off, it's taken you 21 years to ask for a DNA.
18:12There are two grandchildren and a girl who's needed you.
18:15I don't believe she would have even come here
18:17unless she was hanging out for some sort of relationship.
18:20I get Tracy, but most of all, this whole stage, I get this lady.
18:23We'll do it, we'll bring you back, but when you come in,
18:26try and find something in your heart and soul that says,
18:29I'm going to prove to her, when it's proven she's my kid,
18:33that I can be a dad and a granddad.
18:35The rest, I'm not doing.
18:37You two go that way, you go that way, we'll do it, we'll see.
18:40Fair enough.
18:43We'll have him back after the break, I've found it at breaking point,
18:46I'm right back, don't go anywhere.
18:48He's dying and I can't help him anymore.
18:51I just can't fight anymore, Jeremy.
18:54Oh, Jeremy, we have spent nearly £15,000 on him.
19:02He checks me down below.
19:05He has gone.
19:06Have you?
19:08No.
19:09Well, this is going well, what is he looking for?
19:15So this just in, and it's breaking news this morning, apparently,
19:18Graham, something big is happening in Media City.
19:20Yeah, let's find out what's happening from our weatherman.
19:23Don't ruin Mr Kyle.
19:30Good morning and a big, big welcome to the show.
19:43Get out of my studio, get in there.
19:47Get off him, get off him.
19:49I'm breaking news.
19:51Come here, come here, come here.
19:55Hi.
19:58Get away, get away.
20:02We're on stage now.
20:06Get out of here, get out!
20:16Get out of here, get out!
20:47APPLAUSE
20:55Welcome back. My next guest today, Sue, is here.
20:57She's utterly desperate for help for her son, Jonathan,
20:59whom she says, quite directly, is eating himself to death.
21:03She says that Jonathan's addiction to food is so out of control
21:07and claims that she fully expects to bury her son
21:10unless he changes today.
21:12I think a lot of us will hear about stories like this.
21:14This is so real and important to this lady.
21:16Sue is on The Jeremy Kyle Show. Give her a round of applause.
21:23How are you? I'm good. I'm fine.
21:26Thank you for coming on.
21:28I'm going to be really, really candid with you
21:30because I think that's the only way that I've tried to do this show
21:33for a long, long time.
21:35I'm watching my son eat himself to death.
21:37Yes. I am.
21:41I'm watching him lose his life day by day.
21:46And I can't help him any more.
21:49Growing up, Jonathan is now 30. Yeah.
21:53When I read that link and when I was talking about this part earlier,
21:57it said, food addiction.
21:59I've told this story before, I want to tell it to you.
22:01I remember doing a show in America and saying to this person,
22:05well, you're causing this yourself.
22:07And they said, imagine being addicted to the one thing that sustains us.
22:10People can get addicted to drugs, they can get addicted to drink,
22:13they can get addicted to sex.
22:15To be addicted to food, which we need, is very difficult.
22:19When did it start, though? It's habit, isn't it?
22:21It started right the way back when he went to secondary school
22:26because he was a biggish lad.
22:28He was bullied and he was trodden on.
22:32You know, he was the unacceptable one.
22:35He didn't look right.
22:37He was biggish. He was like a rugby player at 11.
22:40He was close to his grandfather. His grandfather died, he didn't grieve.
22:43He was married, he went through a traumatic divorce
22:46and he found solace again in food.
22:49Do you know the saddest line I read? I mean this.
22:52You said that Jonathan is such a nice guy,
22:55he gets used by women he meets online and that knocks his confidence,
22:59it makes his self-esteem drop even further and it's a vicious circle.
23:03It's a real vicious circle.
23:05He wants to be loved. He wants to work.
23:08You know what they're going to say to him, don't you?
23:10Get off your fat backside and do it.
23:12No. What are they going to say to him?
23:14Start loving yourself, mate, cos that's the only way it will work out.
23:17It's true.
23:19You can't love yourself, can you? That's going to give a damn, aren't we?
23:22You can't... You know, it's all about mindset.
23:25I read, you're so honest, he's never eaten vegetables,
23:28he's tried every diet, he's had a personal trainer.
23:32He's too big to operate certain things and it's a vicious circle.
23:36It brings you down, you eat more, you don't move, right?
23:39No self-confidence, he's got no self-esteem, he has what?
23:43That is breakfast.
23:46Yeah, that was breakfast, yeah.
23:49A pot noodle on toast, toasted pate sandwiches, meatballs for breakfast.
23:53Yeah.
23:54Bread and butter, egg salad, salad cream rolls.
23:57Yeah.
23:59Tell me as a mother what you seriously think.
24:01He's dying and I can't help him any more.
24:05I just can't do it any more, Jeremy.
24:07Have you tried everything?
24:09We have tried everything.
24:11We have spent nearly £15,000 on him.
24:15We've paid for the personal trainer out of our retirement money
24:21and my disability allowance.
24:23He's got a little boy, he should be moving forward.
24:26When I go to my grave, I shouldn't see him buried first.
24:30Do you blame yourself?
24:33I do blame myself.
24:35Do you blame what you fed him as a kid?
24:37I don't blame him because when he was younger, I had a control over it.
24:41As he's got older, he was able to go and get what he wanted.
24:46I mean, you know me, I'll do what I can, but I'm honest.
24:49You're a large lady, I'm being straight, right?
24:52Well, that's what I'm saying, so do you blame yourself in any way?
24:56Is that part of the issue here?
24:58Yeah, I do blame myself because I was as big as you'll see him now.
25:04And it was only because after a very active life,
25:07because I was an active lady, I was a paramedic and everything,
25:10I had an accident and I couldn't move any more.
25:14I like you and I get it, all right?
25:17Just bear in mind, because I've said my piece in the past,
25:20Jonathan's 30, how much does he weigh?
25:22I don't know because he never tells me, but he's about there, yeah.
25:26We're going to try and help this guy massively
25:28because he is a walking threat to himself.
25:32I'm telling you, categorically and medically, this guy's in big trouble.
25:36Jonathan's on The Jeremy Carr Show, that way.
25:49How are you, sir? Good, thanks.
25:52We've talked about, to your mum,
25:55about all these things in your life that have impacted on you
26:00and have resulted in you finding, I use the word again, solace in food.
26:05Yeah. Why?
26:07It's just the only way I've found to comfort myself, to be honest.
26:11Comfort eating? Yeah. A crutch.
26:14So when something goes wrong, your dad dying, your divorce,
26:19you start eating. It destroyed me, yeah, basically.
26:22The only way I could find to keep myself going was to eat.
26:24You have kids? One.
26:26How old? Four.
26:28What sort of father are you then, if you can't get out of a chair?
26:32A rubbish one, to be honest.
26:34I want to play with him.
26:36I want to be able to go to places, go on rides with him and everything.
26:39You will die. Obesity, diabetes, whatever, something,
26:42pressure on your lungs, pressure on your vital organs,
26:45problems with your blood flow, whatever, will ultimately kill you.
26:49I do realise that now.
26:51Then why the hell don't you do something with the help you've already been given,
26:54which doesn't seem to have made any difference?
26:56I've tried, it's just... I just haven't been able to keep it up.
27:00Costs and stuff. I just can't afford to keep it going.
27:03Your mum said, what did you say to me, Sue?
27:06Nearly £15,000 we've spent.
27:10Do you blame your mum?
27:12No, I don't blame my family parents at all.
27:15They've been the best thing since I've been born.
27:19You're lazy, aren't you?
27:21I'll admit, yes.
27:23You are lazy.
27:25Why is it that people like you are all right to find the food to stuff down their gullets
27:28but not to actually go out and exercise
27:30or do something about turning their lives around?
27:32That's what I don't get.
27:34And they're too shy to clap, but I'm right.
27:36No, I...
27:38What am I supposed to go, oh, Jonathan, I'm sorry?
27:40I'm sorry you got bullied, I am sorry your grandad died
27:42and I'm bloody sorry your divorce happened, but it happens.
27:44What do you want to do? Look at your mother and think of your son as well.
27:48Look at your mum.
27:53I want to introduce you to two men.
27:56I know you should do this, by the way.
27:58It's not that I had to be convinced to do this,
28:01but I am going to do this.
28:04Craig and Joe from Team Bootcamp.
28:06Give them a round of applause.
28:08This way.
28:11OK, all right.
28:13Love it, Matt, look at you, eh?
28:15All right, nice to meet you.
28:17Ho-ho-ho-ho!
28:20You ain't going to be eating biscuits no more!
28:23How are you, boys? Good, thanks.
28:25Really appreciate you coming. Tell us more about Team Bootcamp, quickly.
28:28Yeah, so to sum it up, it's no-compromise exercise on the outside
28:32and soft and fluffy on the inside.
28:34So we take care of people's eating and their exercise,
28:38but also we look at sort of mindset kind of things as well,
28:41because quite often we know what we should do,
28:44but we don't do what we know.
28:46If you don't want to talk about this, I'll cut it out.
28:50You've suffered and you haven't sat on your backside.
28:52Can you tell...? Are you...? Listen.
28:55Go on, tell him.
28:57Yeah, Jonathan, so about five years ago now,
29:00I used to serve in the Royal Marines and I got injured, I got shot.
29:03I lost my leg as a result of that.
29:06That was my choice to have it chopped off, OK?
29:09And myself, along with loads of other injured servicemen, we had a choice.
29:15We could just lay around, you know, let it get on top of us,
29:20get more unfit, more unhealthy, fatter, or do something about it.
29:25That's the choice we made and that's where I am now.
29:28APPLAUSE
29:31It's true, mate, it's true.
29:35I'm not trying to upset you, I'm trying to tell you the truth.
29:38You're upset your grandad died, you think he lost a leg,
29:41and he runs a fitness boot camp to make people change their mindset.
29:44What I want to do, if we can do this a bit differently,
29:46we're going to ask you, you're going to do an assessment on you,
29:49we're going to catch up with you at the end of the show, is that all right?
29:51Really, really appreciate you guys being here.
29:53Listen to me, for your mum, right?
29:56You ain't ever, ever going to get a better chance.
29:59And you can sit there and tell me that, you know, you're going to do it.
30:03If you don't, right, take these people's advice
30:06and we'll catch up with you at the end, nobody can help you.
30:09Think about your son, the tattoo on the arm with the name,
30:11think about your mum, look at your mum, all right?
30:14I'm going to ask the four of you to go that way,
30:16they're going to do an assessment, the mum, you go as well,
30:18we'll catch up with you at the end of the show.
30:19Give them a round of applause, thank you, guys.
30:21All right, darling, we'll do our best, all right?
30:25That was like speed, wasn't it?
30:30So we'll catch up with them at the end of the show,
30:32but my next guest today, Lee, is here,
30:34as he's utterly convinced his girlfriend is cheating behind his back
30:37after, check this, he found carpet burns on her legs and says,
30:41her lips look swollen like she's been bitten by another bloke.
30:46He says if she fails the lie detector, their relationship will end today.
30:51He says this is massive.
30:53Lee is on the Jeremy Carl show, that way.
31:03Nice to meet you.
31:05You look like you don't want to be here.
31:07No, I don't.
31:08Difficult moment for you. You've been with her for a few months.
31:11Yeah.
31:12Kay, how did you meet?
31:14It was actually in a hospital, and I was in hospital,
31:17and we met in hospital.
31:19Brilliant. So that was in hospital, then?
31:21Yeah.
31:22She was in hospital?
31:24Well, and I was.
31:25Oh, and I was.
31:26You say she's a flirty bird, what does that mean?
31:28When I first got with her, she was with a chap as well.
31:32Oh.
31:33And I says, until she's finished, like, with her chap, nothing's happening.
31:39So you didn't sleep with her before she finished with him?
31:41No.
31:42So why, a proper fancier, though, why's she a proper fancier?
31:45I don't know, we just...
31:47We just both clicked.
31:49Now, you say, over the months, things have just started to happen.
31:54You've found messages from other men. Where were they?
31:57Well, there was a message on her phone saying,
31:59meet me in the same place.
32:01Don't look good, does it?
32:03I heard her banging about upstairs.
32:05Yeah, and she said she was moving stuff about.
32:09What do you think she was doing?
32:12She came downstairs with her hair a mess.
32:15Where were you?
32:16I was in the kitchen.
32:17But when I was in the kitchen...
32:19How would she have got him in?
32:20An actual lad went to come to the front door.
32:23Oh.
32:24Did you not go and answer the door? You just stayed in the kitchen?
32:26No.
32:27Kylie took me upstairs.
32:30Right. I've seen carpet burns on her knees.
32:33Well, yeah.
32:34I went to work and I come back from work
32:37and she was lying in bed and she said it was a cut on her knee.
32:42Well, a cut doesn't actually look like a blister, does it?
32:45I don't know.
32:47We've taken a shot of her knees,
32:51which I'd like to play to you.
32:53Could we... Oh, hello.
32:58Now, hold on a minute. Hold on a minute.
33:00Everybody's gone, oh, I'm obviously from a different planet.
33:03Is that... Steve, hold on.
33:06Steve.
33:10Have you ever, ever had carpet burns on your knees?
33:12No, Mr Kyle.
33:13Have you ever... Why are you backing away?
33:15Have any of the women, obviously you're only with one,
33:17have any of them ever had carpet burns?
33:19No, Mr Kyle.
33:20You're lying, aren't you?
33:21No, Mr Kyle.
33:22Did they look like... That picture, did it look like...
33:24No, Mr Kyle.
33:25It didn't. So you think that was fine?
33:28Yeah.
33:29OK. Steve said that.
33:30APPLAUSE
33:37I'm not going to ask Steve the next bit.
33:39Swollen lips.
33:44Just cracks.
33:46Cracks.
33:47Crack lips.
33:48Crack lips.
33:49Yeah, come back from work and she's got cracked lips.
33:52If you've just tuned in, welcome to the Jeremy Kyle Show.
33:55He went to work, came home, she had cracked lips.
33:58Fast... Like, here.
34:01Bottom lip, yeah, just the bottom lip.
34:03Why would that have meant that she cheated?
34:07Just biting it, like.
34:08Right.
34:09Simple.
34:10We've lost all trust, we argue constantly,
34:12I have been cheated on in the past, I wouldn't.
34:15I love this woman.
34:16Yeah.
34:18I admit that I smoke weed.
34:20Yeah.
34:22The biggest part of that, you've heard them, is paranoia,
34:26so it would be fair... In fact, you know, it could be that.
34:29Why are you doing a test?
34:31To show you that I haven't done anything.
34:33Have you got carpet burns?
34:34No.
34:35Swollen lips?
34:36No.
34:37Why doesn't she trust you, then?
34:38Oh, I know, she thinks that you're accusing her,
34:40so that means that you're guilty.
34:42Mm.
34:43Right, so coming next on the Jeremy Kyle Show
34:45is a woman who might or might not have carpet burns,
34:47you think she did, Steve said she didn't,
34:49she might have had swollen lips, we don't know,
34:51and we're going to meet her, yeah?
34:52Yeah.
34:53It's going well, this, isn't it?
34:54Kay's on the Jeremy Kyle Show, that way.
34:56APPLAUSE
35:02CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
35:05Got your jeans on today, love, haven't you?
35:07Yeah.
35:08Welcome to the show.
35:09I'm just being honest.
35:13You've been with Lee for seven months, you met at the hospital?
35:15Yeah.
35:16Were you being treated for carpet... I'm sorry.
35:20You say, it's ridiculous, he smokes so much weed,
35:23it's all made up, talk to me.
35:25It is, it's paranoia, it's all in his head,
35:28and he knows it is, and I've told you, it is.
35:31I've always had a big bottom lip, I always have.
35:33What about the blow...
35:35People have died for my lips.
35:36What did you say?
35:37People have died for my lips.
35:40If you've just tuned in, I do apologise,
35:43people would die for your lips.
35:45Yeah.
35:46Why were they swollen, it?
35:49They swell when I bite it.
35:52If I bite it too much, it goes a bit red and just a little bit big.
35:56Um, carpet burns?
35:58It's not a carpet burn, I was asked to put some washing out,
36:00went outside and fell off the step and smashed my knee on this floor.
36:04Why would you not believe that?
36:06What about the bloke banging around upstairs?
36:08There was no blow.
36:09You came down with your hair tousled.
36:11Is that the right word?
36:12There was no blow.
36:13Now, this is actually...
36:14I'd like to apologise to Philip and Holly if they're warming up.
36:17You say, um... Warming up?
36:19You say, it gets so bad, I can't even go to the loo.
36:23You tell this story.
36:25At times, he follows me to the toilet.
36:28Does he...?
36:29You don't look at me like that.
36:31Why?
36:32Because he thinks I'm going to do something in the toilet.
36:37You didn't just say that to my team, did you?
36:40He thinks that people are in the toilet.
36:45Yes.
36:46I'm hiding people.
36:47Um, he checks me down below.
36:51He has done.
36:52Have you?
36:53No.
36:54Well, this is going well.
36:55I'm not going to ask you what you're looking for,
36:57cos that's ridiculous.
36:58What is he looking for?
36:59I don't know.
37:00No, I don't know.
37:01I've no idea.
37:03Um, on a serious note,
37:05it's hardly surprising the relationship's in the toilet.
37:08Sorry.
37:09Um, we don't have sex anymore.
37:11Why do you think he's a cheat?
37:13I've seen scratches on his back.
37:15There are the scratches on his back and the scratches on his belly.
37:18Yeah, but he went to put the washing out and fell in a hedge.
37:24I have the results.
37:27It's great, this, isn't it?
37:31I'm going to start with you.
37:32You say she's got swollen lips.
37:34Um, er, swollen lips.
37:37Um, I believe that she's had a man upstairs banging around
37:40and she's got carpet burns.
37:42Steve said, and he's an expert on carpet burns,
37:44this isn't possible.
37:46We asked K, since the start of your relationship with Lee,
37:48have you passionately kissed anyone else?
37:50You said no. Why did you say no?
37:51I've had no choice.
37:52Tess says you're a liar, love.
37:54Oh!
37:57Oi!
37:59Lee!
38:04I'm going to a break, back in a minute.
38:06What?!
38:07Suddenly, he's in bad language now.
38:09Maybe he's not as mad as possible yet.
38:11Do is.
38:12What?
38:13Do is.
38:14Do is?
38:15Because I know...
38:16So you don't deny that, then?
38:17Back and face it.
38:18Of course, at the end of the day, it's not wrong.
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38:54CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
39:00Welcome back. He's got off on one. Come with me.
39:02Excuse me, where's he gone? Where's he...
39:04Oh, you failed that, love.
39:06Excuse me, excuse me.
39:08Mate, do me a favour.
39:10My God. Do me a favour. You'll have to come with me.
39:13Come with me, come with me. We can't do this out here.
39:15We need to hear it all. Come with me.
39:17Everybody, everybody, let's get in here,
39:19cos I can't do that with the music.
39:21Everybody listen to all those accusations
39:23and I'm going to be completely honest, cos I thought it as well.
39:25Can you shut that door, Stevie, please?
39:29I know for a fact that I've not done...
39:31What do you mean, you know for a fact?
39:32We asked us to study your relationship with Lee.
39:34Have you had sexual contact with anyone else?
39:36You said, no, this test says you're a liar and fat liar.
39:39You failed that, you failed on sexual...
39:41No chance.
39:43Suddenly we're using bad language now.
39:45Maybe he's not as mad as possible, yeah?
39:47Do is. What?
39:48Do is. Do is?
39:50So what, you don't deny that, then?
39:52No, I haven't done...
39:53He was telling the truth on every single question.
39:56You're better than this.
40:00How is that possible?
40:01I'm going to apologise to you, look at me,
40:03cos I thought... Do you understand what I'm saying?
40:05Yeah, I do.
40:06Honestly, I thought, and so did the audience,
40:09that this isn't...
40:10But actually, I should learn a lesson, cos that's gut.
40:12Stay there. Can you get her back here, please?
40:15Just stay there. Sorry, bud, sorry.
40:19Why do people who are guilty run away?
40:22Oi, why are you running away?
40:24How is it possible?
40:25What do you mean, how is it possible? You were lying, weren't you?
40:28No, because I've never cheated on him.
40:30Get back and face him, then. How did he pass?
40:32Cos, at the end of the day, I've done nothing wrong.
40:34Seeing somebody else at the start didn't stop you getting with him
40:37when you were having sex with somebody else, did it?
40:39No, cos he knew I was with somebody before I got with him.
40:41Yeah, but that's you, isn't it?
40:42You were with somebody and you went out with him.
40:44Yeah, he knew I was with somebody before I got with him.
40:46No, cos you were the person in the relationship.
40:48And, God, he already knew that. I was with somebody before.
40:51You're better than this. Look at me. Talk to her. For me.
40:53You knew I was with somebody beforehand.
40:56Come on, let's talk.
40:58You knew I was with somebody before.
41:00Why did he pass and you failed?
41:02To the shine, isn't it?
41:04I was with before you.
41:05Now, this'll be it.
41:06I had sex at the beginning of the week that we got together.
41:08You're a player, aren't you, love?
41:10Yeah, you are, cos you've changed completely
41:12from the demure little woman who came out and went,
41:15Do you know what? I learned a lesson.
41:17He's not nuts. He's spot-on, isn't he?
41:19Love, he is, love.
41:20Yeah, he is. You're a player.
41:21No, I'm not.
41:22Why did he pass, then?
41:23Well, obviously, he hasn't done nothing.
41:25And why did you fail, then?
41:26I've done nothing.
41:28You said that.
41:30Where's yours?
41:31I've dashed it somewhere.
41:32Yeah, cos you're lying.
41:33Oh, whatever.
41:34Are you going again? Where are you going now?
41:36So, you're not fighting for him, then, no?
41:38What, am I going to fight him?
41:39Cos he's already decided.
41:41See if you can find yourself another one while this is finished,
41:43you probably will, won't you?
41:45But I'll tell you something.
41:46This is the truth, right?
41:47And I mean this.
41:49I see too many people like you,
41:51and then I'm wondering about you,
41:53and in ten minutes, you go,
41:54Oh, I love her, I love her.
41:55You're better than that.
41:56And I was wrong, as were that audience.
41:58And I know it's difficult.
42:00Move on.
42:01I'm moving on, all right?
42:02You're worth it, aren't you?
42:03Thank you, good luck to you.
42:04Give her a round of applause.
42:09Right, good luck to them.
42:10Now, before we finish today,
42:11let's catch up with Jonathan.
42:12We sent him off earlier with our fitness experts.
42:14Let's get in here and see how we're doing.
42:16Guys.
42:18Craig, Joe.
42:19How are we doing?
42:20How are you?
42:21Very well.
42:22I'm shocked, I'm shocked.
42:23What did we find out, boys?
42:24Done some tests?
42:25What's happening?
42:26Yeah, I think, I mean,
42:27what we can see here, Jonathan,
42:29is we see this time and time again,
42:31and it's not good.
42:34You know, the kind of fat that you're carrying
42:36deep under the skin,
42:37what we call subcutaneous fat,
42:39is the real nasty fat that's going to put you in an early grave.
42:41We've got some footage here.
42:43What did he weigh in it?
42:44Yeah, just under 200 kilos,
42:46which he's actually lost a bit of weight there,
42:48which is quite a big thing,
42:49because before he didn't believe that he could lose weight,
42:52but he's actually proved that he can.
42:54So it's the makings of something good,
42:55and I think he's got stacks of mobility.
42:58But I think there's people around you
43:00that are perhaps, you know,
43:01giving you a little bit of pity.
43:02Oh, Jonathan, you know,
43:03and all this that's on you,
43:05this is not, I love food,
43:08this is a comfort blanket.
43:11You said that, didn't you?
43:12Yeah, I get that.
43:13See, it's very easy.
43:14I was saying, when I started this 11 years ago,
43:16I'd have gone, well, stop eating, for God's sake, right?
43:18And I get the psychological reasons,
43:20all that sort of stuff,
43:21and food's a crutch,
43:22but it's about changing your mindset, isn't it?
43:24Yeah, absolutely,
43:25and you talked about lots of things,
43:26about I did this diet,
43:27I did that training programme,
43:28but it's no good doing something,
43:30because that suggests it's temporary.
43:32We need to become something.
43:33We need to become a healthier Jonathan.
43:35You know, get people around us that can help you.
43:38And I think what you're a victim of is
43:40you've got a really exciting past.
43:42I'm listening to you,
43:43and your past is so exciting.
43:45I used to do this,
43:46I used to play football,
43:47I used to ride horses,
43:48all this kind of...
43:49You need an exciting future.
43:50Yeah.
43:51You know, because that will pull you through life.
43:53I like that.
43:54The problem that I have,
43:55and I've always said it,
43:56is it's about motivation, pal.
43:58You know, I get called harsh,
43:59because I can look at you,
44:00and I can go, yeah,
44:01you've had some stuff in your life,
44:02and you're wallowing in self-pity,
44:04and finding solace in food.
44:05You need to do something about,
44:06as he says, changing your mindset.
44:07How committed are you?
44:08100%, because I need to do it with my son and my mum.
44:11But you've done that...
44:12You see, they're clapping,
44:13but you've done it before and given up.
44:15I'll tell you what, I'll make a challenge.
44:17Come with me, guys, bring him.
44:18Come with me.
44:19Just come with me, come on.
44:20Show me if you are actually seriously committed.
44:22Come with me.
44:23How committed are you on a scale of one to ten?
44:25Ten.
44:26Really?
44:27Ten.
44:28Absolutely.
44:29But, you see, the difference this time is
44:30this is on television.
44:31No, I'm 100%.
44:33You tell me you're 100% committed,
44:35and then you let me down.
44:36It won't be them that come.
44:37That ain't going to happen.
44:38Really?
44:39That ain't going to happen.
44:40Because you've got, you've got the ability,
44:42you've got the opportunity here.
44:44Just come round here.
44:46Here's your mum with Graham.
44:49Hi, Mum.
44:50Hurry up.
44:51You all right, Mum?
44:52Yeah, thank you.
44:53Jonathan, I'm not going to say it.
44:54Do you know what this is?
44:55Yeah.
44:56It's a passport to a future.
44:57Why are you grinning?
44:58Jon, these guys are going to offer you.
44:59Graham, you know about this.
45:00I think this is the first time we've done it.
45:02Team Bootcamp in Shropshire are going to offer you this,
45:04and this is a challenge because you know the date, right?
45:07Yeah.
45:0812 weeks residential.
45:1012 weeks.
45:11Tell them what that will involve.
45:13We're going to look at every aspect of your weight gain in the past,
45:16and we're going to create this exciting future
45:18that we talked about before.
45:19We're going to put you through what we call our Conquer Food Programme.
45:22It's a 12-week residential course.
45:24We're going to work with your mindset.
45:26We're going to give you no-compromise, disciplined exercise.
45:29We're going to make you do things when you're tired
45:31and all you want to do is lie in bed.
45:33We've got the ex-military trainers there
45:35that are going to get you out of your bed and make you work.
45:37And then we're going to make sure you're getting the right food.
45:39Completely re-educate your idea of food
45:42because the things that you've told me about the stuff that you eat
45:44that you believe is healthy, it's rubbish.
45:47And that is what's putting you into the early grip.
45:49Greg, can I just bring you in?
45:51Mindset is massively important.
45:53It goes beyond just saying, don't eat that, get the exercise.
45:55But you, I think, absolutely correctly talked about mindset.
45:58He uses food as a crutch.
45:59That's also part of this, isn't it?
46:01He uses food in order to cope with difficult emotions.
46:06There are all different reasons why.
46:08He uses food to cope with stresses of life.
46:11He uses food constantly to fill a void in his life.
46:13That's the important thing.
46:15It's not just about diet and exercise.
46:17Diet and exercise is definitely going to deal with the obesity,
46:20will definitely reduce your weight.
46:23But you have to deal with the reason why you overeat compulsively.
46:28And some people would say that's a characteristic of addiction
46:31because you also feel quite powerless to stop overeating.
46:35So this is absolutely superb.
46:37This is a full holistic programme.
46:40It's not just going to be about diet and exercise.
46:43We're going to look at why you eat, why you compulsively overeat,
46:47the reasons why you do that, and let's sort that out
46:50in order to make sure that this is a successful programme.
46:52Yes or no?
46:53Yes.
46:54Here's the thing.
46:55I'll make you a challenge.
46:57Sit me down, I'll find you.
46:59In 12 weeks' time, to complement what these guys are doing
47:02and what Graham's doing, you come back on this show.
47:04If you haven't changed, there ain't anything I can do.
47:07You said your mother's important.
47:09You said your son on that tattoo's important.
47:11You say goodbye to her and you get in that car and you prove it
47:14because you will never get a chance like this.
47:16Guys, are you jumping in the car as well?
47:18One of you decides yet?
47:20Do it.
47:21Promise?
47:2212 weeks, I'll be there.
47:23You'll be back in 12 weeks.
47:24Go on.
47:25Thank you very much.
47:26Nice to meet you.
47:27You get in there.
47:28All right?
47:31Yeah?
47:32Yeah.
47:33I'm going to do it.
47:34I'm going to see somebody completely different in three months.
47:36Yeah, boys?
47:37Team Boot Camp, thank you very much indeed.
47:39Mum, what are you saying to him?
47:40Do it, son, for Leo.
47:41Go and do it.
47:42Get out of here.
47:43Thank you very much indeed.
47:44OK.
47:45You've got more of a chance to do it this time.
47:48Listen, it's very easy, I think, and Graham's taught me this
47:51over 11 years, to say you can change your life just by doing this.
47:55It's a whole process.
47:56You make the point, Graham, it's a holistic process.
47:58It's mental, it's physical, it's psychological.
48:00It's the best chance you'll ever have.
48:02We're going to support you.
48:03You've got to be strong.
48:04If your phone jumps and says,
48:05I want to come home, tell him to do one.
48:07This is it, all right?
48:08I don't get him, can I?
48:09No.
48:10We'll look after you.
48:11Thank you very much indeed.
48:12Cheers, ever.
48:13Give him a round of applause.
48:14Thank you very much indeed.
48:15So we'll let you know about Jonathan.
48:16Three months.
48:17Will he be back here?
48:18I am out of time for this morning.
48:19If you want to be on this show, you need my help.
48:20Visit my website.
48:21The details are on screen.
48:22To my guests, to this audience and to you four watching at home,
48:24you know who you are.
48:25I'll see you very soon.
48:26Take care.
48:27Bye-bye for now.
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