The Jeremy Kyle Show (30 Jan 2017)

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00:00You are watching On Demand. Please do not try to vote or enter any competition or
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00:08charged. On today's show...
00:20My sister is cocky and being dictative and she's got worse and worse since she
00:26got with it.
00:28I want to control him, I'm with your boyfriend!
00:30Not with me, with Chelsea!
00:32And you're a cheat!
00:34Again, be quiet.
00:38Her boyfriend and you end up in bed. What happened physically?
00:42He came on to me.
00:43You're the one who tried it on me Chelsea, I kept pushing.
00:45Whatever, whatever, go away Winkie!
00:47Get lost!
00:48Get out!
00:49Get lost, you rubbish wonder!
00:51You were the one that was trying it on with Chelsea!
00:53You kick her out constantly!
00:57This guy is obsessed, he's threatened her.
00:59Am I obsessed?
01:00Yeah, yeah, bring it!
01:06Take a drugs test, Marie!
01:08I've done it!
01:09I'm in seven grand debt because of you!
01:11You manipulated your own daughter to get money out of me to get your drugs!
01:17You're never going to get me back, we're done!
01:26CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
01:40Hello, friends, good morning.
01:41As ever, a big, big welcome to the show.
01:43Our first guest today, Bethany, is here to confront her sister Chelsea,
01:46whom she says is being controlled by her elder boyfriend, Anthony.
01:49Now, Bethany says that not only does she suspect
01:51that Chelsea and her partner cheat on one another,
01:53she also wants to find out if Chelsea has been up to anything
01:56with her boyfriend, Josh, again.
01:59CHEERING
02:01She says that several years ago,
02:03Chelsea admitted to having sexual contact with her partner
02:05and now she suspects it might have happened again.
02:07According to Bethany, her sister has changed completely
02:09since Anthony came into her life
02:11and she wants to expose their relationship for the mess she thinks it is
02:14and get her sister to walk away from him.
02:16She says this woman needs to wise up.
02:18Bethany is on The Jeremy Kyle Show. That way!
02:20CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
02:24CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
02:31Who is it?
02:33ALL GASP
02:35What did you say?
02:38I haven't even spoken yet!
02:40LAUGHTER
02:42Shut up!
02:43Who is it?
02:45ALL GASP
02:49My name's not Jerry and don't speak till you're asked to.
02:52Sit down, shut up until I do.
02:54CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
02:58Lose the picture. Lose the picture.
03:00Hello. Hi, Jeremy.
03:02How are you? I'm all right.
03:04You're in a relationship with Josh.
03:06Chelsea is your elder sister.
03:09She's in a relationship with 37-year-old Anthony.
03:12Why are you here? I don't really understand this.
03:14I'm here today because her boyfriend's controlling, she's...
03:17Let's talk about you and her, though, before we talk about him.
03:20She's been cocky and being dictative
03:22and she's got worse and worse since she got with him.
03:25Yeah, she doesn't go out.
03:27Before she met Anthony, she was confident, outgoing.
03:32I had a sister, but when she met Anthony, she's just changed.
03:36But you say that your relationship with your sister isn't as good as it was,
03:40but it was never great, was it? No.
03:42Why? Was she jealous of you? Were you jealous of her?
03:44Yeah, she's jealous of me.
03:46You're the controlling one with your boyfriend!
03:48Me with Chelsea!
03:50And you're the one that cheats!
03:52You're the one that cheats!
03:54So, what part of...
03:56Oh, we're running away now, are we?
03:58What part of, I'll ask you to come out when I'm ready, do you not understand?
04:02Get in and be quiet.
04:04CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
04:10Stop that or you're fired.
04:12Steve, have a word with your subordinate, will you?
04:15Big Steve, ladies and gentlemen.
04:17CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
04:21Tell him to shut up the Jenga toes.
04:23What?
04:25His toes are messed up.
04:27Brilliant. Your sister and you have never had a great relationship.
04:30Now she's with this 37-year-old oik,
04:32she's given my boyfriend sexual favours in the past.
04:34What does that mean?
04:36She slept with him in the same bed and she touched his privates.
04:41I don't mean to be rude.
04:43Why would your boyfriend, if he's with you, get into bed with your sister?
04:46I told him to sleep on the floor before I left.
04:50Who instigated it, him or her?
04:52Apparently Chelsea.
04:54No, he...
04:58He's sleeping with Chelsea.
05:00You're jealous, because he treats me like a princess and yours doesn't.
05:06Did you offer sexual favours to the other one?
05:08No, I didn't.
05:10You're a dog.
05:12Did you ask him?
05:14No.
05:16What, when he's got a one-inch wonder?
05:18One-inch wonder?
05:22Who uses Fanny Fresh?
05:26Darlene, could you concentrate? That's twice.
05:28Three strikes and you are fired.
05:32Chelsea has terrible taste in men.
05:34She always goes for the old ones.
05:36Yeah.
05:38She loves dirty old men. She even caught chlamydia once.
05:40Yeah, off a 49-year-old.
05:42That's really old, that, isn't it?
05:44She was only 18.
05:46He cheats, she cheats, I want nothing to do with it.
05:48Can we just go back to when Josh, your boyfriend, was in bed with her?
05:52Why are you still with him?
05:54Why wouldn't you dump somebody you thought it appropriate to be touched by your sister?
05:56I don't know, I just love him.
05:58You and Chelsea...
06:00How can you love someone that you cheat on?
06:02Brilliant.
06:04Today, Chelsea, you should choose between a family and a boyfriend, yeah?
06:06Are you up for this?
06:08Sister Chelsea's on the Jeremy Carr Show, that way!
06:12CHEERING
06:24God, you lot are easily excited, aren't you?
06:26You moved a chair!
06:28Do you not say anything now your gobby boyfriend isn't standing up?
06:30Yeah, I am saying a lot.
06:32What are you saying?
06:34I'm going to choose him over my family.
06:36Why?
06:38Because they're not there for me.
06:40So you and your boyfriend, you end up in bed.
06:42What happened physically?
06:44He came on to me.
06:46So you were...
06:48I was single, yeah, I wasn't with my partner.
06:50Right.
06:52And he came on to me and I pushed him off me.
06:54Why is this then such a...
06:56Well, I'm asking you seriously.
06:58Honestly, I can't hear a thing.
07:00The accusation was that you performed a sex act.
07:02No, I didn't.
07:04I didn't do anything like that.
07:06Why would I want to touch a one-inch wonder?
07:08You're the one who tried it on me, Charles.
07:10I kept pushing it.
07:12Whatever.
07:14Go away, Winky.
07:16Go away, King Winky.
07:18Surely that means you actually had a go, doesn't it?
07:20No, he got it out.
07:22Are you sure?
07:24Get lost and get a life!
07:26You one-inch wonder!
07:28You web-wiggled Jimba!
07:34I'll wash it out of your...
07:36You...
07:38You...
07:40Excuse me?
07:42Go and sort yourself out.
07:44You...
07:46You were the one that was trying it on me, Chelsea.
07:48Trying it on me?
07:50That was my partner.
07:52And you're jealous
07:54because you cannot listen more.
07:56You kick her out constantly.
07:58No, she... No, he doesn't.
08:00No, he doesn't.
08:02Can I come and stay at yours?
08:04Yeah, you do.
08:06You're just jealous.
08:08I'm not sure what part of
08:10don't come on here
08:12you don't seem to understand.
08:14Go away.
08:16Keep quiet.
08:18What is
08:20the beef? Forget
08:22Love Boat Anthony. Forget your boyfriend.
08:24Why is it this bad?
08:26Because she's the favourite.
08:28So is this about your boyfriends or is this about your parents?
08:30Is this about your mum?
08:32Is this about girls?
08:34I've got to prove myself that I haven't cheated on Anthony
08:36and he's not cheated on me.
08:38Why? Because she's accusing me of cheating.
08:40So you're doing a lie detector.
08:42You've sent pictures to one of my friends.
08:44Pictures of what?
08:46Pictures of my face.
08:48And that's cheating, is it?
08:50Well, why send them to another girl?
08:52We've had worse than that on this show.
08:54So you're doing a lie detector
08:56to prove that you haven't cheated on Gobby
08:58and Gobby's doing one Anthony
09:00to prove that he hasn't cheated on you because of...
09:02Hello, stay with me.
09:04Sorry.
09:06Why are you doing a lie detector?
09:08Because she has cheated.
09:10She's cheated before.
09:12She admitted it.
09:14Oh, is that why you didn't mind him being touched up
09:16by your sister?
09:18Well, this is when I first met Josh.
09:20Doesn't matter, does it?
09:22What's it got to do with you?
09:24She's accusing me of cheating and she's cheated already.
09:26Why have you even bothered about each other?
09:28You've ruined their lives!
09:30What are you talking about?
09:34So you're telling me that after...
09:36How long have you been with Josh?
09:38Nearly four years.
09:40You and Josh, something happened.
09:42No, they didn't.
09:44Nothing at all?
09:46I think more happened.
09:48No, it didn't.
09:50So you don't trust Josh?
09:52I do, but...
09:54He doesn't trust you because you cheated.
09:56Would that be a good summary?
09:58Go next.
10:00Both boyfriends and the mother are right.
10:02Is it worthless?
10:04What happened between me and you, Chelsea,
10:06was way before you met...
10:08You walked in on Chelsea when she was trying the new bra on.
10:10Why are you saying more happened when no happened?
10:16Have you been accused of cheating?
10:18Do you need to prove your innocence with a lie detector?
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10:42CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
10:50Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back.
10:52This is the war of Bethany and Chelsea.
10:54So, Bethany, 18, came out and said,
10:56my sister's changed immeasurably since she got with this Anthony guy.
10:58He's 37. He's ostracised her from the family.
11:00She basically has turned into a horrible person.
11:02She's picked him.
11:04I want answers.
11:06I want to know why she's spreading rumours about me and Josh,
11:08including that apparently something happened between them.
11:10Chelsea came out and went, family have never been there for me.
11:12Mother's never been there for me.
11:14Not interested. Happy with my boyfriend, yeah?
11:16Anthony's other Jeremy Carr show that way.
11:18CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
11:24She chooses not to see him
11:26because he's worthless.
11:28LAUGHTER
11:30I've been brushing teeth today.
11:32LAUGHTER
11:34LAUGHTER
11:36How many times do I have to say it?
11:38Sorry?
11:40Get in.
11:42LAUGHTER
11:44Sit down.
11:46LAUGHTER
11:48You got engaged last year, didn't you?
11:50Yeah.
11:52Shut up. It's not your business.
11:54It wasn't twice.
11:56Why would you get engaged twice to the same person?
11:58I know.
12:00Why do you say to my team,
12:02these people and their lies have ruined our relationship.
12:04Stop shouting and give me something here.
12:06Because they keep saying that we've cheated on each other
12:08and we haven't.
12:10No.
12:12We have a fantastic sex life.
12:14LAUGHTER
12:16Oh, well, that's more people having a...
12:18LAUGHTER
12:20He says that five times a day.
12:22LAUGHTER
12:24We need to cheat.
12:26LAUGHTER
12:28It's because you don't get it off Josh.
12:30LAUGHTER
12:32You've also accused Anthony of being gay.
12:34How the hell can you be gay when you get through to me
12:36like four or five times a day?
12:38LAUGHTER
12:40How do you find time to have sex four or five times?
12:42Do you not work?
12:44I'm on the ESA, I'm on the employment support allowance
12:46at the moment.
12:48I'm looking for work.
12:50He's worked since he was younger.
12:52I've worked all my life.
12:54He's got time to look for a job.
12:56He's worked all his life.
12:58When you get to my age, the recovery period,
13:00it'll be about a week and a half, I imagine.
13:02LAUGHTER
13:04So you're here to do a lie detector to prove
13:06that you haven't cheated on her and you're the same on him
13:08and then tell them to butt out.
13:10You're here with your boyfriend, Josh, who might have...
13:12Anyway, to say these people are horrible
13:14and she's disrespecting us.
13:16Josh is on the Jeremy Carle Show That Way.
13:18CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
13:20CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
13:26Cos when I heard after...
13:28..that you're the one that's gay, cos you were eyeing him up!
13:30When he came round to...
13:32..my flat when you was there!
13:34Right, I'm really...
13:36How can you call him gay?
13:38Yeah, you probably are.
13:40What happened between me and you, Chelsea,
13:42was way before you met...
13:44Stop swearing. What did happen between...
13:46I want to hear this.
13:48What happened between me and you, Chelsea?
13:50Your girlfriend said, I'm going out.
13:52Don't sleep in the same bed as my sister.
13:54Why did you assume that anything would happen
13:56between your boyfriend and your sister?
13:58Because, well, you told my team she's jealous,
14:00she loves doing that sort of thing.
14:02Yes, she does. How am I jealous of you?
14:04Why did you do stuff with him then?
14:06Why did he allow her to?
14:08Why didn't he get out of the bed and run out of the room?
14:10CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
14:14Maybe this is what your problem is.
14:16Look at me. What happened?
14:18Me and Chelsea was in bed,
14:20we was playing on Chelsea's phone.
14:22Why would you be in bed with...
14:24I was already... What happened?
14:26Basically, Chelsea was trying to touch me
14:28and I kept pushing her hand. No, I wasn't!
14:30No, I wasn't! You just flushed it!
14:32You just took the quill off you and flushed it at me!
14:34No, I never! No, I never!
14:36You walked in on Chelsea when she was trying the new bra on!
14:38Yeah, you walked in on me!
14:40Did she touch your penis?
14:42Yes. No, I didn't.
14:44No, I didn't.
14:46Why are you saying more happened when no happened?
14:48What did happen then?
14:50No, I didn't!
14:52You told my team in notes she touched his penis.
14:54No, I didn't!
14:56Do you want me to get what you said to my team?
14:58Do you?
15:00I probably just, like, felt it, but that's about it.
15:02LAUGHTER
15:04I was like...
15:06I'm thinking...
15:08I'm thinking to touch something,
15:10then you would feel it.
15:12My wife, Antony,
15:14the baby wipe for you...
15:16LAUGHTER
15:18She does it every day!
15:20She does it every five days!
15:22No, I don't!
15:24If you are just waking up
15:26and about to tuck into your breakfast,
15:28I apologise for that.
15:30Is that why you say he goes...
15:32Yeah.
15:34You see?
15:36That's why you never go near him, cos he...
15:38LAUGHTER
15:40Why are you doing a lie detector?
15:42Do you not trust... I mean, shut up.
15:44We've done all that.
15:46You cheated on your girlfriend. I'm surprised she's still with you.
15:48She's doing one because whatever she says to me,
15:50she doesn't trust you.
15:52Why are you doing a lie detector?
15:54Well, to prove that I've not cheated on Beth after the incident.
15:56Prove it on to your mother.
15:58You said, my mother, who's called Michelle, right,
16:00has never been there.
16:02She said that she doesn't love me.
16:04And you have to buy her affection, yeah?
16:06Yeah, she said that she...
16:08APPLAUSE
16:16Why is it that you today
16:18have a relationship, Michelle,
16:20with one daughter but not the other?
16:22I have it with them all. You don't.
16:24I have it with you all. You have it with one
16:26and not all the others. No, I see you all.
16:28Well, who summons lies?
16:30I say I'm... You have to ask
16:32Beth permission to come and see me.
16:34No, I don't. Yeah, you do.
16:36Why? Because she's 18
16:38and we're going through some difficulties at the moment
16:40so we've been supporting each other.
16:42OK, what about supporting your other daughter?
16:44I do support the other daughters. You don't.
16:46Yes, I do. You don't. This is what this is about.
16:48It's not about the testosterone
16:50of two boyfriends who are going to defend
16:52their girlfriends. It's about two
16:54sisters, remarkably similar,
16:56right, who are slagging each other
16:58off from point scoring and one of them is desperate
17:00for your affection and the other one seemingly
17:02doesn't want to know. This is what this is about.
17:04I see them all.
17:06No, you don't. Yes, I do.
17:08If I see one
17:10and I spend a couple of days
17:12then the jealousy of her going to see the other one
17:14I do see them all. Best jealous when you
17:16can see me. You are.
17:18So why, in your opinion then,
17:20is your relationship with Chelsea not as good
17:22as your relationship with Bethany?
17:24Blackmail? No, will you be quiet
17:26now? Why? Because she's
17:28with Antony and she's cut us off. You don't like
17:30Antony? No, I don't cut you off.
17:32I want to hear from your mother.
17:34Oi, be quiet. What's wrong with him?
17:36I never said there was anything wrong with him.
17:38The only thing I don't like is when he kicks her out
17:40early hours in the morning and she's on the phone to me.
17:42She told my team he buys her chocolate, crisps
17:44and coke so she'll get fatter and fatter
17:46and nobody else will. Yeah, that's true.
17:48That's Josh.
17:50When you get your bag, you feed
17:52her chocolate.
17:54What it is is, yeah, when my mum
17:56doesn't want to see me or she doesn't love
17:58me, she said that she doesn't love me, that's what I do.
18:00Yeah, I don't think so.
18:02We picked your ones because you had an argument
18:04and you was in the back of the car
18:06and you had a bag full of chocolate
18:08and said, this is what Antony wants from me.
18:10Can I ask you something before we do these
18:12meaningless lie detector results?
18:14Can I ask you something? This is two
18:16girls just point scoring, isn't it?
18:18I don't know.
18:20You love your sister, don't you? No.
18:24Well, I do deep down, but yeah.
18:26I touched it,
18:28I didn't touch it, I do and I don't.
18:30Did you cheat on Josh?
18:32Yeah, yeah.
18:34Shut up! Apart from the one time, did you?
18:36No, twice.
18:38Twice.
18:40So you know about the twice?
18:42Well, this was years ago, though. Is that why you forgave him
18:44for being touched up by his sister?
18:46If we're honest? Probably.
18:48What about you, have you cheated on Antony?
18:50No. Have you cheated on him? No.
18:52No.
18:55And also, the other thing
18:57that we need to investigate is
18:59what actually happened with you and Loverboy
19:01over there, that night? Nobody else speak.
19:03In your words, what happened? Nothing.
19:05You touched his penis? Yeah, apart from that, yeah.
19:07Cos that's normal, isn't it?
19:09Well, I was single, so.
19:11Why do you think
19:13more's happened?
19:15Cos Josh lies.
19:17Oh, it's getting better all the time.
19:19He lies, does he? Yeah.
19:21So do you, by the way, you cheated on him twice.
19:24Sounds like it's all going very well.
19:26Let's do the lie detector. Right, I like this.
19:28We'll start with Antony.
19:30You all right, Antony? Yeah. Have you cheated on her?
19:32No, definitely not. Never.
19:34LAUGHTER
19:36100% certain I have not cheated.
19:38Oh, don't shout at me. Do you think he's cheated on you?
19:40No. Do you think he's cheated?
19:42I think so, yeah. Do you? A bit.
19:44We asked Antony, since the start of your relationship
19:46with Chelsea, he has a bit, have you had
19:48sexual intercourse with anyone else? Antony said
19:50no, because Antony was telling the truth, ladies and gentlemen.
19:52CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
19:59Since the start of your relationship with Chelsea,
20:01have you had sexual contact with anyone else? Antony said no,
20:03because Antony was telling the truth, ladies and gentlemen.
20:05CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
20:07And since the start of your relationship with Chelsea,
20:09have you passionately kissed anyone else?
20:11Antony said two.
20:13You've got a full house. He was telling the truth throughout the class.
20:15CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
20:18So why don't you just keep your noses out of their business, then?
20:21Me and Beth keep our noses in them,
20:23because Chelsea makes us involved.
20:25I have someone round that I've slept with.
20:27How could I have?
20:29What are you shouting for? It's not right here.
20:31You don't need to shout!
20:33Could I, um...
20:35Hello!
20:37I'm somebody's spouse!
20:39Calm down.
20:41I'm just out of interest.
20:43You came out here and you said, you know,
20:45your sister's relationship was a joke, her boyfriend's a cheat,
20:47but he just passed. Are you going to pass?
20:49No.
20:51At the start of the test, Bethany admitted
20:53that she'd had sexual intercourse with two other men,
20:55which Josh knows about. You know about that.
20:57I have to give facts.
20:59She also admitted that a month ago,
21:01she engaged in sexual contact with someone else,
21:03which Josh doesn't know about.
21:05He does? I told him last night.
21:07You told him last night, after you'd done the test, yeah?
21:09Yeah. You all right?
21:11After he'd done the test.
21:13After he'd done the test.
21:15Are you all right with that?
21:17Not really, but, you know...
21:19They'll stay together.
21:21So we took all of those out of the question.
21:23We asked Bethany, since the start of your relationship
21:25with Josh, apart from what you've admitted to,
21:27have you passionately kissed anyone else?
21:29She said no. Why'd you say no?
21:31Test says you're a liar, Bethany.
21:33Oh, my God, no!
21:35Even more, we knew it!
21:37Since the start of your relationship with Josh,
21:39apart from what you've admitted to, have you had sexual contact
21:41with anyone else? You knew about two,
21:43and she came upstairs and told you it was three last night.
21:45We said, any more? She said no.
21:47You were lying on that question as well.
21:49Oh, my God!
21:51And just to make you wonderful,
21:53since the start of your relationship with Josh,
21:55apart from what you've admitted to, have you had sexual intercourse?
21:57She failed every single question.
21:59You're lying!
22:01You don't understand the question.
22:03You don't understand the question.
22:05So now the test's wrong.
22:07No, you're a little liar, aren't you?
22:09You've been throwing things at your sister for too long.
22:11You cheated on him twice, yeah?
22:13Yesterday, you admitted one other.
22:15We put all that in the... I haven't had sex with anybody else!
22:17We put that all in the test, and you still failed.
22:19Did you f*** it up?
22:21I did!
22:23Why don't you fail the test then?
22:25So who have I slept with then?
22:27I don't know.
22:29Bloody Einstein or something, I don't know!
22:31You know you have anyway, don't you?
22:33Well, who then? Who?
22:35You know the twice that you cheated on him?
22:37Three years ago.
22:39Yeah, and then you only admitted to him last night.
22:41What did you admit to last night?
22:43Kissing someone, and the guy who groped him...
22:45Hang on.
22:47You told me last night that he kissed you and he groped you.
22:49Yeah, that's true.
22:51Now you've just admitted to the gentleman that you kissed him.
22:53No!
22:55Yes!
22:57You're a liar, Bethany, and you know you're a liar.
22:59OK, whatever, think what you want.
23:01What do you mean, think what you want?
23:03I don't even know why I came on it.
23:05Why don't you...
23:21OK, we're going to calm things down,
23:23we'll bring them back later and get those all-important lie detector results
23:25for Chelsea and Josh, but please don't go anywhere,
23:27my friends, because we're right back after this break.
23:31I'll burn your flat.
23:33You said a text saying you'd have burned her flat down.
23:35No, I did not. They're lying.
23:37You used to call her vile names.
23:39Well, I admit to vile names.
23:41I've called her Pat.
23:49Welcome back.
23:51My next guest today, Marie, says she's sick to death
23:53of being harassed by her daughter Katie's ex, Simon,
23:55whom she says won't leave her or her daughter alone.
23:57Now, according to Marie,
23:59Simon is incapable of telling the truth
24:01and even claims he lied about having cancer
24:03to win her daughter back.
24:05Ooh!
24:07Great. She says he texts her and her daughter
24:09hundreds of times a day, calls them vile names
24:11and has even threatened to burn their house down.
24:13She says,
24:15I'm going to expose him for the stalker he is
24:17and tell him once and for all to back off
24:19and leave me and my family alone.
24:21Marie is on The Jeremy Kyle Show.
24:23That way.
24:25CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
24:31This is over.
24:33Yeah, this is an awful story.
24:35My daughter's ex is a pathological liar.
24:37You say...
24:39You've seen this and a lot of people come out here
24:41and they throw out labels.
24:43Oh, he's violent, he's this, he's that.
24:45Tell us the story. How long were they together, Katie, your daughter and Simon?
24:47About a year.
24:49What did you think of him when you first met him?
24:51He seemed all right.
24:53Marder, lying all the time.
24:55He's just a lying...
24:59Shut up!
25:13Could you, could you... Sorry.
25:15Stop swearing. Sorry.
25:17I thought you were very nice until that happened.
25:19Just say one thing.
25:21Just say one thing.
25:23If you lied about cancer, you horrible human being,
25:25you'll have me to deal with.
25:27Sit down and lose the picture, Matt.
25:29CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
25:35When Simon and Katie were together,
25:37he would be quite vile to her and call her horrible names.
25:41Dragged her down.
25:43And he's texting all the time.
25:45This is whilst they were together.
25:47He would threaten to hit her.
25:49He hasn't passed yet.
25:51She finished the relationship or him?
25:53She did.
25:55And you say from that moment,
25:57and this is the point of this story,
25:59from that very moment, this guy is obsessed.
26:01He's threatened her. Burning the house down.
26:03Shut up!
26:05You sound quite obsessed.
26:07He threatened the other day.
26:09Don't even respond.
26:11You got proof of that?
26:13We've got proof, Simon!
26:15You're lying something. I hate your guts.
26:17I've seen it.
26:19I'll burn your flat.
26:23You don't need to sweat...
26:25Lose the picture! I don't want to see it!
26:27I'll say this is what's winding up in.
26:31I'm here for my daughter.
26:33He'll text 20 times in half an hour.
26:35He's so manipulative.
26:37We've had enough of the stress.
26:39I want Simon to get a grip.
26:41He needs to leave my daughter alone.
26:43This guy lied about having brain cancer.
26:45Yep.
26:47I've lost two parents.
26:49Dad and my sister.
26:51What did he say?
26:53He said I had brain cancer.
26:55You've only got two days to live.
27:01He did not say that at all!
27:03Did I ask you to speak? No, shut up.
27:05Can I ask you something?
27:07Are you any good at advice?
27:09Take this.
27:11When this guy comes out,
27:13and he's angry,
27:15try and gain the higher moral ground.
27:17If somebody's that low,
27:19they have to lie about cancer.
27:25You were on drugs, weren't you?
27:27I've been on drugs, yes.
27:29Heroin and crack.
27:31Since March, this lady off her own back
27:33has been clean.
27:39Don't ruin your new life
27:41by allowing this bloke to drive you down.
27:43I'm telling you categorically.
27:45If you listen to him, you'll get the point.
27:47Simon, Katie's ex-boyfriend.
27:49Katie owes me money.
27:51She never loved me.
27:53She's a gold digger.
27:55I did everything.
27:57She's the one who's chasing me.
27:59She wants me back.
28:01Simon's on the Jeremy Carl show that way.
28:05Bring it!
28:07Where's my 8K?
28:09Where's my 8K?
28:11Take a drugs test, Marie.
28:13I've done it.
28:15I've done the drugs test.
28:17Whatever, where's my 8K?
28:19I'm in seven grand debt because of you.
28:21Why do you want 8K then, if you're in seven grand debt?
28:23Because my dad's helping me out.
28:25My parents are helping me out.
28:27Get out of debt.
28:29I was in 8K of debt, and my dad's having to take it.
28:31It's not about money.
28:33He sent a text saying you're going to burn a flat down.
28:35No, I did not.
28:37Where did it come from?
28:39They're a liar.
28:41They're both lying.
28:43You didn't send those texts?
28:45No, I didn't.
28:47Why does it say your name against them?
28:49I didn't send any texts.
28:51You didn't call her vile names?
28:53I admit to vile names.
28:55I called her fat.
28:57Why aren't you happy that the relationship is over?
28:59I want the truth.
29:01Answer that, you didn't mention the money.
29:03What money have I had, 8 grand?
29:05I've had yours.
29:07Yes, you have.
29:09You manipulated your own daughter to get money out of me,
29:11to control you, to get your drugs.
29:13What are we talking about?
29:15Sit down, what are you talking about money?
29:17You can't follow the lies.
29:19When you say she manipulated her own daughter,
29:21what he told us was that
29:23you got your daughter to get money off Simon
29:25to deal with your drug habit,
29:27and then when that was done,
29:29we need to put you aside,
29:31Katie did one and left you in debt.
29:33That's why you're angry.
29:35Yeah, that's why I'm angry.
29:37You're being accused of being a stalker,
29:39you're being accused of some terrible things.
29:41I'm not a stalker, they asked me to go round.
29:43I've been driving now, I've been used as a taxi driver.
29:45You still love Katie?
29:47Deep down I do, yeah.
29:49I'm sick of the lies, I'm sick of the...
29:51What about all the lies you've told Simon?
29:53I admit that, I admit it.
29:55I have lied about...
29:57You lied to Simon.
29:59I actually went to the doctors and had loads of tests.
30:01Can we just have that discussion?
30:03I've sort of been there myself, pal.
30:05So you went to the...
30:07Tell me what happened then.
30:09You went to the doctors and they said you've got two days to live.
30:11No, they didn't say that.
30:13I never said that.
30:15What tests did you have?
30:17I had blood tests and they found something in my blood
30:19and I had to go and have a heart scan
30:21and scans everywhere else.
30:23You had a brain cancer, why would you have to have a heart scan?
30:25Literally...
30:27Would you know I've had a brain scan?
30:29No, you didn't.
30:31Can I just be really honest to you? If it was me, I would be telling the truth.
30:33Just do me a favour and tell the truth.
30:35You didn't have brain cancer, did you?
30:37I didn't have brain cancer, no.
30:39And you told her you did, didn't you?
30:41Yeah, I did.
30:43I'm not being...
30:45She's been...
30:47I don't actually want to speak to you.
30:49Have you ever had cancer?
30:51Then don't ever think that you have any right
30:53to use that as an excuse, you horrible, horrible little man.
31:03I'll take...
31:05Maybe I'll take the money thing, but that, contemptible.
31:07It's just disgusting.
31:09Apologise.
31:11I'm sorry, OK? I'm sorry.
31:13No, no buts, mate. Absolutely no buts.
31:15Money, one thing.
31:17Lying about cancer, people out there,
31:19vile.
31:21You told my team it's the mothers fault
31:23your relationship ended with Katie.
31:25Yeah, because she keeps sticking her oar in.
31:27Got to answer that, love.
31:29Keeps getting involved.
31:31What am I supposed to do when my daughter tells me
31:33all the s**t you've given her?
31:35What am I supposed to do for my daughter?
31:37What about s**t you've given her, Marie?
31:39Given what?
31:41Beat her, pulled her hair. I've seen you slap her.
31:43I have. In the past, yeah.
31:45But our relationship's like that now.
31:47You don't like it.
31:49I never hit her.
31:51You've gone in her face though, haven't you?
31:53I have not.
31:55Yes, you have, in a lay-by.
31:57I didn't leave her.
31:59Yes, you did.
32:01Are you sure about that?
32:03I didn't leave her.
32:05I actually walked away, ran my mumps, calmed down,
32:07and I took them home.
32:09Do you still love Katie?
32:11I do, Dan.
32:13Is that why you're not stalking her?
32:15I'm not stalking her.
32:17Well, tell her back.
32:19Yeah, I'll do, but they're asking me to go around.
32:21I ain't stalking them.
32:23Katie's on The Jeremy Carle Show that way.
32:25APPLAUSE
32:27CHEERING
32:35Katie, you're never going to get me back!
32:37We're done!
32:41Welcome to the show.
32:43Sorry, I thought you were in the pod.
32:45What was he like as a boyfriend?
32:47He was all right to start with,
32:49and then October, when I moved back to England,
32:51he was absolutely vile.
32:53You told my team,
32:55since I left him in June,
32:57because he became a pathological liar,
32:59he's admitted on national television
33:01to millions of people he made up brain cancer.
33:03I'll let people judge for themselves
33:05what sort of person would do that.
33:07He goes to extreme lengths to ring me back.
33:09He texts me 20 times a day,
33:11and these lies...
33:13Oh, he threatened to burn my flat down.
33:15Did you send that text?
33:17No, I didn't.
33:19You're lying again, aren't you?
33:21No, I'm not.
33:23She's threatened to kill me, her mum.
33:25Threatened to kill me and threatened to kill my family.
33:29I've sent Jeremy Carle
33:31the messages you sent me to threaten to burn my flat down,
33:33so don't give all of these...
33:35...more, Simon.
33:37And the reason I didn't say it to you,
33:39I said to you, because your driving's atrocious,
33:41my granddaughter's in the car.
33:43My driving's not atrocious.
33:45It is.
33:47And I said to you,
33:49if anybody hurt my granddaughter,
33:51I would kill them.
33:53He is an aggressive, controlling cheat
33:55who messaged other women,
33:57and I want nothing more to do with him.
33:59You stop shouting.
34:01She doesn't want anything to do with you, pal.
34:03He wants his money back.
34:05Do you owe him money?
34:07I don't owe him money.
34:09No, you asked me for it, Katie.
34:11You asked me for it.
34:13The money.
34:15Can I ask you what the money was used for?
34:17Bills.
34:19Was it used for your mother's drug rehab?
34:21Liar.
34:23We did a drugs test.
34:25You wanted us to do a drugs test, because you accused her of being on drugs still, yeah?
34:27Yeah, because I felt...
34:29The way she gets agitated.
34:31That's a bit rich from a man who made up brain cancer.
34:33Guess what the drugs test said?
34:35Marie's clear of every substance.
34:37APPLAUSE
34:39Elegant Marie.
34:45All right, then, Katie.
34:47So how come this 60-year-old man keeps ringing me all the time
34:49and sending me texts?
34:51How am I supposed to know?
34:53Saying you've been sleeping with him.
34:55He's doing it to wind you up.
34:57Yeah, he is.
34:59He is.
35:01I don't care what you think anymore.
35:03All right, Katie.
35:05Have you asked me to come round, then?
35:07I haven't asked you to come round.
35:09Yes, you have. You asked me to come round for dinner on Sunday.
35:11Yeah, Sunday, when we was OK.
35:13But since then, have I asked you to come over?
35:15No.
35:17And who wound you up, Katie?
35:19Sorry, that was 96 hours ago.
35:21When did this all go wrong?
35:23When did the brain cancer and the burning of the house down...
35:25The burning of the house down set me on Monday.
35:27When did you get brain cancer, Tuesday?
35:29No, I didn't.
35:31Oh, no, you didn't have brain cancer, did you?
35:33Well, here's the thing.
35:35She doesn't want to be with you.
35:37Stop inviting him round.
35:39Either when it's like this, right?
35:41There's people who go,
35:43oh, we went out for seven years and now we're going to be friends.
35:45It doesn't work like that, does it?
35:47You know you have to cut it right off.
35:49That's what I want from today.
35:51Well, then you have to do that in a dignified way
35:53and you have to accept that.
35:55Yeah, I am accepting it.
35:57Why are you shouting?
35:59I just want the truth.
36:01I don't want to be with you.
36:03I want my money back is what I want.
36:05I don't deserve to be in debt, because generally...
36:07I don't think people out there deserve you lying about brain cancer.
36:09APPLAUSE
36:11In fact, I'll tell you what.
36:13I reckon she should give the money...
36:15Instead of giving the money back to you,
36:17I think she should give it to a cancer charity.
36:19That might be a bit better, don't you think?
36:23Possibly, yeah.
36:25LAUGHTER
36:27I'm not bothered about your money for once.
36:29If you gave it to her and now she's split up with you...
36:31She asked me to give it.
36:33She literally begged me for it.
36:35Why are you getting angry?
36:37She didn't steal it, did she?
36:39She begged me for it. She manipulated me for it.
36:41You, you schmuck, you gave it to her, didn't you?
36:43For the first time in 11 years,
36:45I don't care about your money.
36:47I care about the fact you lied about cancer.
36:49These two should run for the hills.
36:51If he continues to pester you, I'd phone the cops.
36:53What more do you want me to do?
36:55I'm not interested in your life
36:57after the lies you told.
36:59APPLAUSE
37:03For Mary,
37:05you have to be careful
37:07not to fall into that
37:09we'll be mates.
37:11Get on with your life, your relationship with your mother is good
37:13and go from there, all right?
37:15Really appreciate you both coming up.
37:17Lift it up and out they go. Give them a round of applause.
37:19APPLAUSE
37:21See you.
37:23You are beneath contempt.
37:25You lied about cancer. Get out my building.
37:27Do you know what? She's a 60-year-old man.
37:29Well, she's probably having more fun
37:31than when she was with you, pal.
37:33See you.
37:35APPLAUSE
37:37That...
37:39That...
37:41That was an old man sticking up for old men
37:43and making the point, ladies and gentlemen.
37:45You cannot in your life beat experience.
37:47Back in a minute.
37:49Back in a minute.
37:51Let's get all four calmly back on the show.
37:53At the start of the test,
37:55Josh admitted to kissing another woman.
37:57He also admits that he had sexual contact with Chelsea.
37:59These incidents were removed from the test.
38:03I did have sexual contact with him.
38:07So this just in,
38:09and it's breaking news this morning, apparently, Graham.
38:11Something big is happening in Media City.
38:13Yeah, let's find out what's happening from our weatherman.
38:15There's a storm brewing, Mr Kyle.
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38:41Come on, man, bring it.
38:43Come on.
38:45Come here.
38:47How are you?
38:49How are you?
38:51Get away.
38:53Fuck yeah!
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39:47Welcome back. You'll remember from earlier
39:49we met Anthony and Josh and Bethany and Chelsea.
39:51Now, Anthony, who is with Chelsea,
39:53passed his test,
39:55but Bethany failed hers,
39:57despite some admissions late last night.
39:59Got very upset, ran out of the studio.
40:01Calmed it all down, brought them back,
40:03because we're still, of course, to do Josh's results
40:05and also Chelsea's. Let's get all four calmly back on the show.
40:07Give them a round of applause.
40:09APPLAUSE
40:15APPLAUSE
40:21So, calmly...
40:23You sit in the middle.
40:25Anthony, you passed your test.
40:27Yeah.
40:29Which didn't surprise you, but you said to us earlier
40:31that a lot of the accusations from your sister
40:33and her boyfriend was that Anthony was no good,
40:35he was a cheat.
40:37He proved he's not. Yeah.
40:39Josh, your reaction to Bethany's results.
40:41Do you accept that lie detector?
40:43No.
40:45You, Josh, though, knew that she cheated twice.
40:47Last night, before the lie detector,
40:49actually, I think straight after,
40:51she admitted something else.
40:53We incorporated that into the questions.
40:55Well, it's more than three times, mate.
40:57Why are you still thinking about maintaining a relationship
40:59with somebody who's blatantly doing what she's doing
41:01behind your back?
41:03That night she came home,
41:05I asked her if anything happened,
41:07and she said no,
41:09and obviously I believed her.
41:11You know?
41:13What about now?
41:15The way she's reacting,
41:17yeah, I do believe her, and I don't.
41:21Snigger all you want.
41:23Well, do you know, there's just one word...
41:25Josh, Josh, stop directing your anger at her.
41:27You're being a mug, mate.
41:29You're being mugged off.
41:31Her reaction, whatever she might say
41:33or do right now,
41:35was that of a guilty little schoolgirl
41:37who looked at her mum for some sort of answer.
41:39Bethany knows she's cheated on you
41:41more than what she told you.
41:43OK, whatever.
41:45And she's coming across quite...
41:47Anthony, be quiet.
41:49She's coming...
41:51We only took this test because you were accusing us.
41:53We were right, we were right.
41:55Why did you want Josh to do a test?
41:57I didn't, they asked us to do one.
41:59Suddenly the tests aren't important, yeah?
42:01You told us earlier, I've got it on tape,
42:03you wanted Josh to do a test because you didn't trust him
42:05after what he did with his sister, love.
42:07Black and white. Well, guess what?
42:09At the start of the test, Josh admitted to kissing
42:11another woman.
42:13He also admits that he had sexual contact with Chelsea.
42:15These incidents were removed
42:17from the test.
42:19I did have sexual contact with him.
42:21Sexual contact.
42:23We talked about that when you touched his...
42:25Not sexual contact.
42:27What?
42:29Touching his willy is sexual contact.
42:31You knew about those two things, yeah?
42:33You knew about the sexual contact with your sister.
42:35But you didn't kiss another woman, don't you?
42:37Bethany, you knew that, didn't you?
42:39Knew what, about Chelsea and Josh, yes.
42:41But not about the kiss.
42:43Oh, you didn't know about the kiss?
42:45No.
42:47Anyway, guess what?
42:49He passed every single question Josh did.
42:51APPLAUSE
42:55Including
42:57whether anything else happened with her.
42:59He passed it.
43:01Give him a round of applause.
43:04When this story started,
43:06your sister was with an older bloke,
43:08he was this, he was that, he passed.
43:10You were saying she was this, she was that.
43:12The truth of this matter is this girl feels
43:14that she's ostracised by her family.
43:16Chelsea.
43:18Because the incident between Josh and Chelsea occurred
43:20prior to the start of Chelsea's relationship with Anthony,
43:22we did not need to remove this from the test.
43:24Since the start of your relationship with Anthony,
43:26have you had any sexual contact with Josh?
43:28She said no. Why did you say no?
43:30Because she was telling the truth, ladies and gentlemen.
43:32APPLAUSE
43:36Since the start of your relationship with Anthony,
43:38have you had sexual intercourse with anyone else?
43:40She said no.
43:42Because your sister was telling the truth, Bethany.
43:44APPLAUSE
43:46She and he told the truth throughout the test, OK?
43:49CHEERING
43:54Can you do me a favour?
43:56Can you and you and you go? Just go.
43:59Get out of here.
44:01Come here.
44:07Can I ask you something? What?
44:09When push comes to shove,
44:12you and your sister should be the closest in the world...
44:16We was, we was.
44:18Right, so can we, instead of shouting and screaming
44:20and including boyfriends, can we find out why we're not?
44:23Are you jealous of her? No.
44:25Do you love her? I did.
44:27What changed? We used to be best friends.
44:29Do you miss her? Because people thought we were twins.
44:32Do you miss her? Yeah.
44:35And you miss her, don't you?
44:37Yeah, but after everything... Stop the buts.
44:39Do you know how long I've been doing this?
44:4111 years, probably.
44:43LAUGHTER
44:45That does deserve a round of applause.
44:47APPLAUSE
44:49You all right? Listen...
44:51I watch it every day until it finishes.
44:53Can I ask you something? Look at me.
44:56Don't make it about Josh.
44:58Don't make it about Anthony.
45:00Make it just in this moment about two sisters
45:03who both have points scored, who both want to prove a point.
45:07That's your sister.
45:09That's your sister.
45:11There are people watching this, and you know what I'm going to say,
45:14who would go, don't waste your life.
45:16Doesn't matter who you're with, doesn't matter who she's with,
45:19she's your sister, she's blood, mate. Put it right.
45:22I've lost my boyfriend, I've lost my sister.
45:24You haven't lost me. You haven't lost me, Beth.
45:26Right, listen. You haven't. This is what this is about.
45:28APPLAUSE
45:30There you are.
45:35I'm not going to do this out here any more,
45:37but I want you to know one thing. Look at me.
45:39Look at me.
45:40I don't give a damn about those lie detector results.
45:43I give a damn about the fact that two kids will no longer,
45:46with our help, be at loggerheads cos you're blood.
45:48Look at me. You build with people who love you.
45:52And if we can get you two back on track, isn't that good?
45:55Yeah. Irrespective of the boyfriend,
45:57and other stuff can be dealt with. Look at me.
45:59Wouldn't it be good to think I could leave here today
46:01and me and my sister are back on track?
46:03But you've got to be good with each other. Do you understand?
46:06You've got lots of money.
46:08I haven't. You have. No, I haven't.
46:10You have. No, I haven't. You're rich.
46:12I heard off a taxi driver.
46:17Why would a taxi driver know?
46:20Can I teach you something about...
46:22Can I teach you something very quickly?
46:24Can I just... Can I teach you something about life,
46:26which I hope the genuine people in this audience
46:28will understand, sweetheart, right?
46:31And I know this after the last 12 months I had.
46:33It's not about money, love. It's about people in your life.
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46:40If you left here today in a much better place
46:43because you and your sister had dealt with your stuff,
46:46you would be stronger to move forward with the rest of your life.
46:49While this continues, this point-scoring rubbish,
46:53it just puts you back.
46:55Graham will help you. Look at me. Deal?
46:58Mm-hm. I've got a sweaty hand because I'm nervous.
47:00Go together. Take your sister and look after her.
47:02She needs you. Give them a round of applause.
47:04Go that way.
47:11A bit of a journey today. We'll let you know what happens.
47:14We'll work closely with the Miami Loafer this morning.
47:16If you want to be on this show, you need my help.
47:18Visit my website. The details are on screen.
47:20To the guests, to the audience and to you at home,
47:22a bit of a rollercoaster. Thanks for watching.
47:24I'll see you very soon. Take care. Bye-bye for now.
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