The Jeremy Kyle Show (26 Jan 2017)
The Jeremy Kyle Show (26 Jan 2017)
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00:10On today's show...
00:12She knows what I've done, we've been through it. So now she's been accusing me since the last show, and I'm here to prove she's wrong.
00:20I have my own rights to be here!
00:21I'm talking to her!
00:22You're rude to me!
00:23Why are you being so rude?
00:24If you didn't open your mouth then I could listen to what she's saying!
00:27Shut up!
00:28Because I'm not your mum. I'm not your mum.
00:35Nobody wants me to be with you! Nobody wants me to be with you!
00:39I don't care! I don't care! I told you what happened before! I told you the truth!
00:42I'm not doing that!
00:46I've told them, I'm leaving. That's the final straw.
00:48How many women did you have sexual intercourse with?
00:54All I'm trying to say is that she knows it, but...
00:59If you can hear me, God help you.
01:23Good morning and a big big welcome to the show.
01:25Now, I met my first guest today on a previous show. It was pretty explosive.
01:29Take a look at this, my friends.
01:32You're convinced he's a cheat, aren't you? Why?
01:35Some things just don't add up.
01:37You've come here and you've done a lie detector to prove that you haven't cheated,
01:41and he's refused to do a lie detector, just so you're aware.
01:44Did he really?
01:45He went into...
01:50I've got proof of you on a dating site!
01:53I've got proof of you on a dating site!
01:55She's met a guy on a dating site, which she says she's never met.
01:59I haven't.
02:00She took a naked picture of herself on the dating site and sent it to him.
02:04I'm not going to take a test for someone who's not answering my questions.
02:09Do you understand?
02:10But she said...
02:11She answers my questions, not all of us.
02:13Otherwise I'm not doing nothing for you.
02:15I will take the test if you answer my questions.
02:18I have answered the questions, Stephen.
02:20She passed every single question, mate.
02:25All I want to know is, since December...
02:29Since December...
02:32Right, I'll admit it now.
02:34Some girl slapped my bum, that's the end of it. Goodbye.
02:39As you can see from the clip, things got heated between Stephen and Katie.
02:42They were finished, but they're back today.
02:45I'll start with Stephen. Get this.
02:47Brilliant.
02:48He's here demanding she takes a lie detector for a second time.
02:51He says he suspects that she's up to no good
02:54after she started tracking his mobile phone to check on his whereabouts.
02:59This is a man who didn't take a test last time and who's bird-passed it.
03:02Stephen's back on the Jeremy Carter That Way.
03:12I don't understand this. You and I aren't going to get on at all.
03:15Let me get this absolutely right.
03:16The last time you were given it large,
03:18your missus passed a test and you refused to do a test, right?
03:21Yeah.
03:22At the end of the show, you said,
03:23I'll come and do one. We've had six months, right?
03:26Today she's coming back for another one and you're doing one,
03:29but you're only doing one in the last six months.
03:31Yeah, because...
03:32Because you gave that great line, she must...
03:34Somebody tap me on the backside.
03:36I admit it.
03:37You've cheated on her, mate. Come on.
03:39Then why didn't you do a test on the whole relationship?
03:42Don't talk to me like that.
03:43Why not?
03:44Why didn't you do a test on the whole relationship?
03:47I didn't do a test before because I had a couple of things to hide.
03:50I never cheated.
03:51Oh, you only said one, to tap on the boils.
03:53That's two.
03:54No, no.
03:55I went on a dating site because she was on a dating site
03:57and that's what I was hiding.
03:59So answer me this.
04:00If you've admitted the dating site and the being tapped on the backside,
04:04why wouldn't you, to make this as clean as anything,
04:07help me out today, do one on the whole relationship and get it done?
04:11Because then it's sorted, pal.
04:13But you arrive here today and you go,
04:15I've only done it the last six months.
04:17Everybody here on me thinks he's got something to hide.
04:21No, not at all, because she now knows...
04:23You're a cheat, aren't you?
04:24No, I'm not a cheat, you're going to see.
04:26She knows what I've done, we've been through it.
04:28So now she's been accusing me since the last show
04:30and I'm here to prove she's wrong.
04:32She's a tracker on me. What the hell does that mean?
04:35She tracks my iPhone. She got me on track my iPhone.
04:38Yeah.
04:39Yeah.
04:40What, because she thinks you're up to no good?
04:42Yeah, and I work 60 hours a week. When have I got time to cheat?
04:45I don't even see my own friends. In your lunch hour?
04:47In my lunch hour, what, five minutes?
04:49Just because I like to look after myself
04:51and I get a lot of female attention doesn't mean I'm a cheat.
04:54That's right. Yeah, done, done. Done. Nah.
04:58Um, I'm going to put Jeremy Carl in his place.
05:01Yeah, if you give it to me, I will, yeah.
05:03Why wouldn't you do a test on the whole relationship
05:06to clear this up once and for all?
05:08She said to me... Why didn't you want to?
05:10Because I've already been through what I've...
05:12She knows what I've done. I've told her the truth.
05:14She knows. She's...
05:16But do you understand the argument that says that...
05:18She wasn't even expecting you to do a test today.
05:21Tap on the backside and whatever.
05:23That could cover anything. That's a cop-out, mate.
05:26Some girl done it when I was at work.
05:28I was passing, she just slapped my bum.
05:30But by saying that, you've cleared yourself, haven't you?
05:33Because there was other things I was hiding,
05:35like going on the dating site, because she did.
05:37I put myself on the dating site.
05:39You love this woman. 100%, yeah.
05:41I put myself on the dating site,
05:43but I actually did more than her,
05:45because I didn't just send a picture,
05:47I actually went and met her.
05:49When I prove I'm not a cheat,
05:51I want an apology in front of the whole nation.
05:53If she fails, it's over. But...
05:55Yeah, it is, because of her constantly accusing me.
05:57Anything she does, it's over. I do 60 hours a week.
05:59You keep saying that. Well, if she kisses someone,
06:01maybe I might... I'm not saying I will,
06:03but maybe I might be able to forget it.
06:05So, a kiss is all right? If she's done the other two,
06:07no, I'm not forgetting it.
06:08What about if she's been tapped on the backside?
06:10Well, a tap is nothing, isn't it?
06:12If she didn't tap someone, someone tapped her, it's nothing.
06:15So, you're going to pass? 100 million%, yeah.
06:17Let's get her out. Katie's on the Jeremy Cowell Show. That one!
06:20CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
06:27Katie, welcome to the show. He speaks a good...
06:29You know, he gives it large, doesn't he?
06:31You say things have got ten times worse since the last show.
06:35Stephen accuses me every time I go,
06:37but you've been here before and you've passed a lie detector.
06:39Why are you back? To pass it again. Why?
06:41Because I'm sick of being accused of being a cheat.
06:43She didn't actually pass the three questions last time.
06:46Yes, I did. Two of them. No, you didn't.
06:48The first two... Is she allowed to speak?
06:50Why don't you shut up and let her speak?
06:52Why don't you shut up? Why don't you shut up?
06:54Why are you so rude?
06:56I'm not talking to you like that. I don't want to talk to you.
06:59I'm talking to her.
07:01Just because you've got her where you want her...
07:03You talk to me like I'm some idiot.
07:05Talk to me. Why do you allow this to happen?
07:07Why are you back here every six months to appeal?
07:09I beg your pardon? You're an idiot, mate.
07:11Go and have a look in the mirror, mate.
07:13I wish you would approve to that anyway.
07:15Listen, I have my own rights to be here.
07:17I'm talking to her. You're rude, mate.
07:19Why are you being so rude? If you didn't open your mouth,
07:21then I could listen to what she's saying.
07:23Shut up! Because I'm not. You're the mug.
07:25You're the mug, mate.
07:27Why...
07:29Hello? What's wrong with this?
07:31Every six months?
07:33Well, I'm in love with him. Right.
07:35And you passed the test last time,
07:37which he now says isn't right.
07:39He says that you didn't answer the questions he wanted.
07:41You've got to see from our point of view.
07:43This is a guy who said, fair enough,
07:45I can't do a test because a woman tapped me on the backside.
07:48I'll come back. It's taken six months.
07:50It's all about, to the outsider, him making excuses,
07:53and yet you're back here looking like that.
07:56I'm going to do another test. Why?
07:58You've proven.
08:00Why isn't he doing one on the whole relationship?
08:02Why didn't you ask for that?
08:04Because he wants to do it from the last show.
08:06Tell him the truth. You said it was you.
08:08And she said it was you.
08:10He told me what had happened when we left here last time,
08:12and he said he'll do the test for me.
08:14All right, let me ask you a question very calmly, then.
08:16You told her what happened as you left here last time.
08:19Why didn't you tell her before you came here?
08:21And from my point of view, hear me out.
08:23Because I have things to hide.
08:25But from a reasonable point of view, Stephen,
08:27you would understand, right, that it looks like
08:29you're going to go, oh, a woman tapped me on the backside.
08:31That covers me. I've been honest.
08:33Don't you think that something else could have gone on?
08:35No, it didn't cover me, because there was other things.
08:37I went on a dating site.
08:39In the rest of the relationship, wouldn't you have wanted,
08:41as I said to him, to clear the whole thing up today
08:43and do one thing on the whole relationship?
08:46He says he'll pass, he's admit...
08:48We'd have put, apart from being tapped and going on a website...
08:51Exactly, you're telling all the audience all my stuff.
08:53I don't want to bring out all that.
08:55That's between me and her, what I've done before.
08:57You're doing the test. Exactly.
08:59You said that last time. Exactly.
09:01You said, she tapped me and now, this time coming round,
09:03I'm doing it from the last show.
09:05You're not answering the question, Stephen.
09:07If we put that on the test, why wouldn't you do it on the whole thing?
09:10Why wouldn't you do it on the whole thing?
09:12Why wouldn't you do it on the whole thing?
09:14Answer the question. What?
09:16Right, listen, here's the thing.
09:18If we put, apart from being tapped on the backside
09:20and going on a website, why would you not...
09:22It's a very simple answer.
09:24I could do a test on the whole relationship to clear this whole mess up.
09:27I could, if she wants me to.
09:29Katie?
09:31He said he wouldn't do it.
09:33I didn't say I wouldn't do it. Yes, you did, Stephen.
09:35I said, what did I say to you? You said you were doing it from the last show.
09:38I said I don't want all my stuff aired out on TV. Yes, I know.
09:40All the stuff I told you before, I don't want it all aired out on TV.
09:43We'll just see if you pass this one. I will pass, a million per cent.
09:46And then I want a big apology, otherwise I'm gone. Really?
09:48See you later.
09:50You're going to see, mate, and so is everyone here.
09:52I really hope so. A million per cent.
09:54Are you going to pass? A hundred per cent. A million per cent.
09:56Let's do that. Who shall we start with? Start from me.
09:59Katie, is that all right? Go on, then.
10:01Is that all right with you, or do you want to call the shots?
10:03No, you're calling all the shots.
10:05Katie, since you got back into contact with Stephen in June 2015, happy with that?
10:08If you had sexual intercourse with anyone else, she said no.
10:10Why did you say no? Because I was telling the truth.
10:12Of course she was telling the truth. Again!
10:17Since you got back into contact with Stephen in June 2015,
10:21she said no. She was telling the truth on that one.
10:23In fact, she was telling the truth on every single question.
10:27That's twice. You thought she was cheating because of the tracker.
10:30No, I didn't think she was trying. I just didn't understand
10:32why someone accuses someone, puts them on the tracker...
10:35Because you've given me reason to doubt...
10:37She doesn't allow her to speak. You have a go at me, you go like that.
10:39She's asking me. Why don't you treat her like a woman
10:41instead of like something you can just go like that?
10:43If you're asking me a question and she's cutting in,
10:45obviously I can't, can I?
10:47After the break, will he pass?
10:49He'll pass. I'm right back. Don't go anywhere.
10:51He doesn't treat you how a man should treat a woman.
10:55And that is a fact, OK? Seriously.
10:58One month, she's come.
11:00See you're doing fine.
11:02I actually like his show. I thought he was a decent guy.
11:04But I tell you what, you're rude to me.
11:10Have you been accused of cheating?
11:12Do you need to prove your innocence with a lie detector?
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11:38CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
11:45Can I ask you a question, Katie?
11:47What are you shouting about?
11:49He's saying that once we leave here, this is done.
11:52But that's... He's going to talk right over me.
11:55He's going to talk, talk, talk,
11:57but I'm going to tell you something, darling,
11:59to everybody in the outside world.
12:01I only came here for this. This is what I came for.
12:03Calls every shot, good old Katie.
12:05Shut up, lie detector. Shut up, Katie.
12:07Don't talk, Katie. I'm talking, Katie.
12:09I can do whatever, Katie.
12:11All the women want me, Katie.
12:13Shut up. You need to wise up, love, cos he is what he is, seriously.
12:17CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
12:21I'll tell you what, I hope you pass,
12:23but it won't change what you are. You're a sexist pig.
12:26Honestly, you think you're it, don't you?
12:28That's what you are, mate. You're a mug.
12:31He passed every single question.
12:33Thank you very much.
12:35I'm telling you, to anybody in the world, right,
12:40this guy is calling the shots.
12:43See you later. I'm the truth.
12:45You know that, don't you? Thank you.
12:47But you love him. Yeah.
12:49Well, he can be happy if both parts go and tell him you love him
12:52and he'll go, shut up, Katie. Go and get him sorted out.
12:55I wasn't chasing after him. You're not chasing after him.
12:57He wants you to chase after him.
13:00I'm telling you, I know this,
13:02he expects to do that and you to come running.
13:05He says he's going home on his own.
13:07That's fine if that's what he wants to do.
13:09I know whatever happens, you and he will end up together,
13:12which is fine, right?
13:14But he doesn't treat you how a man should treat a woman,
13:18and that is a fact, OK? Seriously.
13:21Why don't you go and stand up to him for the first time in your life
13:24and tell him... Because he got up and ran off,
13:26I'm not chasing after him.
13:29Oh, God, stay there.
13:33Ooh!
13:38Do you want to be with her or not? No.
13:40She's not running after you for such... I don't want to torture you either.
13:43Oh, wait. Well, then do one and get out of my damn building, you wanker.
13:46Do one, I'm not running after you.
13:50That's all she says, I love...
13:52She's proud of you.
13:54Do one, mate. I hope she dumps you, mate.
13:57Oh, she's here. There you are, you love him.
13:59He's having a go at me now. I don't love him.
14:01But, Stephen... I don't want you.
14:03You made me look like a... Once again...
14:05See you later. I'm not doing this.
14:07I told you I didn't come here to scream and shout...
14:09Did you owe me an apology? Where's my apology?
14:11Why are you apologising to her?
14:13I'm sorry I've been a...
14:15Look at you.
14:17Look at you.
14:19The only person who's making you look stupid is you.
14:21I told the truth. I told the truth.
14:23Twice.
14:25Once, mate. Not twice.
14:27She cries twice.
14:29I've called him 12 months, Stephen.
14:31Nobody wants him to be with you.
14:33Nobody wants him... I don't care.
14:35I don't care. I told you what happened before.
14:37I told you the truth.
14:41And that mug made me laugh.
14:43You've made yourself...
14:45I actually like his show. I thought he was a decent guy.
14:47But I tell you what, you're rude, mate.
14:49You are seriously rude. You haven't seen anything.
14:51Get out of my building. Listen to me. Come here.
14:53Get out of my building, mate.
14:55Listen, can I just say something?
14:57Everybody can see that.
14:59I know it's difficult when you love somebody, right?
15:01He's come back on the air...
15:03You've passed twice. Let's talk about the facts, right?
15:05Let's talk about the facts.
15:07Twice in a year, you've passed, right?
15:09He's come today, and yes, he's passed.
15:11But let me give the facts to people watching.
15:13He's determined what questions,
15:15only in the last six months,
15:17it was a perfectly reasonable question to say,
15:19why wouldn't you ask it on the whole relationship
15:21with your partner, right? Yes, he's passed.
15:23The way he talks to you, the way he treats you,
15:25and the reason he showed his true colours is this.
15:27He knows he's got you exactly where he wants you.
15:29And all I'm going to say is,
15:31good luck. You'll be back with him.
15:33But one day, you will wake up as a woman,
15:35and you will go, I deserve to be treated better than that.
15:37That's it. I promise you.
15:39Nothing more.
15:41I promise you. All right?
15:43Can we get aftercare, please?
15:45I promise you,
15:47it's all about how you see yourself.
15:49And whatever you think about love,
15:51ask anybody around here,
15:53that's not how you treat somebody.
15:55Thanks for coming on. After the break, more lie detector.
15:57I'm right back. So this is massive for you.
15:59It's me, public.
16:01How many people in this audience think that this guy
16:03is going to pass this test?
16:05Nobody.
16:07We asked you, Phil, since you restarted
16:09your relationship with Jade in March,
16:11have you passionately kissed anyone else?
16:13You said no. Why did you say no?
16:19CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
16:27Welcome back. My next guest today, Jade,
16:29is here for make-or-break lie detector results
16:31with the fiancée, Phil, whom she suspects
16:33is cheating on her again. Now, Jade took Phil back
16:35after he cheated before, but says that,
16:37apparently, if he fails the lie detector today,
16:39the wedding's off, the dress is going back to the shop.
16:41Jade is on the Jeremy Carr show now.
16:43CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
16:50Why are you a bit scared? What's the matter?
16:52Nerves. Welcome to the show, my darling.
16:54In a relationship with Phil, what does on and off
16:56for four years mean? Well, we kept splitting up
16:59and getting back together, stuff like that. Why?
17:01It was just... It wasn't working out.
17:03I put a wall up at the start of the relationship.
17:05I was with Phil until late last year.
17:07We broke up, then I found out. When you found out
17:09that he cheated on you, what did you find out?
17:11I found out that he'd been cheating on me
17:13with a couple of girls.
17:15So it wasn't just the one. Two?!
17:17No, it wasn't just two either. How many was it?
17:19Three or four.
17:21Why did you have him back?
17:23I decided to take him back for the sake of the child.
17:27You found out you were pregnant after you split up.
17:30That's important to the story.
17:32We decided to take it slowly and try again
17:35for our unborn child's sake.
17:37How's that been?
17:39I'm constantly accusing him every day, stuff like that.
17:42It's just... It's no good, the relationship.
17:44Too much strain on the relationship.
17:46The rumours have surfaced again.
17:48One of the girls he'd cheated on me with last year
17:50had actually messaged me going back not even a week ago.
17:53Say what?
17:55That when I was pregnant, he went down to her house.
17:58You were engaged until you discovered
18:00that he'd gone to somebody else's house.
18:02You have a wedding dress ready, but you're not...
18:05So this is massive for you.
18:07It's make or break.
18:09Now, did you find some fake profile or something?
18:12Plenty of fish, yes.
18:14Do you know what a poff is?
18:16How do you know that?
18:26You're getting quite gobby, aren't you?
18:28No, Mr Kyle.
18:30I'm thinking that maybe somebody who's starting to speak this much
18:33and love it and get into it could be a little bit more integrated
18:36into the show.
18:37No, Mr Kyle.
18:38Are you all right? Are you sure?
18:40Big round of applause for Big Steve.
18:42CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
18:47Notice how popular you are.
18:49I'm going to use that as I get older.
18:51Anyway, welcome back.
18:53OK, so, um, were engaged, not together,
18:56young baby, given him a chance, done it before.
18:59Let's talk about the profile. What did the poff profile say?
19:02It was just that he was in...
19:04He was actively seeking a relationship, stuff like that.
19:08There was pictures of him up on the profile.
19:11What, just naked, or...?
19:12No, it was just, like, face and stuff like that.
19:14No, I couldn't get any private photos on it,
19:16cos I don't even know if it was him who made it up.
19:18Did you catch him online last week?
19:20He was on a porn site at half eight in the morning.
19:22Half eight in the morning?!
19:24Had he had his breakfast...? Who did that?!
19:28On a serious note, you know, we can sit here
19:30or we can mess around and all that, but you told my team,
19:32which I thought was lovely, this is the family I've always wanted,
19:35I was so happy.
19:36One part of me thinks,
19:37is it jealous people trying to ruin my life?
19:39The other part is, if this guy isn't what I think he is...
19:42But you've watched this show, right?
19:44And I get it, cos this is a snapshot in front of a camera,
19:47but people go,
19:48that's it, I'm leaving!
19:49And within ten minutes they're in the car.
19:51I've told them, I'm leaving, that's the final straw.
19:54I cannae keep doing any more.
19:5616-week-old baby together, that's the reality.
19:58Phil is 30.
19:59He says,
20:00I admit that I made mistakes, but today...
20:02Mm-hm.
20:03..I will absolutely prove to Jade my feelings.
20:05I regret what happened and I love her with all my heart.
20:08We'll give him a chance, yeah? Yeah.
20:10Good girl. Phil's on the Jeremy Carl show that way.
20:22Why are you smiling, pal?
20:23Cos you're nervous or cos you like the fact
20:25that everybody knows you're a dirty cheat?
20:27What's making you smile?
20:28How can I be a cheat if I'm the one to ask Jade to contact,
20:31to prove myself innocent?
20:32I actually know, it's gone back last year,
20:34I've been honest with her that I messed up,
20:36it's all about the truth cos this is what I want,
20:38I want my family.
20:39And it is quite interesting, isn't it?
20:41Because, and I'll take that point from you,
20:43a lot of people, you know, they come here and they say,
20:45oh, I'm coming here to prove myself,
20:47and they go, I don't understand.
20:49But you must surely understand why she doubts you.
20:51Aye, of course she will, of course I understand.
20:53But how many times has she done before?
20:55Only twice that she knows about.
20:58Only twice she knows about?
21:00How many other times? I don't know about then.
21:02Jade...
21:04No.
21:05How many times...
21:06Start being honest.
21:07..that she knows about?
21:08What about what she doesn't know about?
21:10Well, you're talking, as you already know.
21:12What?
21:13The first time.
21:14How many times?
21:16Just how many times more?
21:17How many times? Answer the question.
21:19As you already know, the two people, right?
21:21As you already know, the two people.
21:23Three.
21:24No, see, you said three, I said two.
21:26Three women or two?
21:27Right, anyway, that's a part of that.
21:29But it's not because it's affecting her, it's not my fault.
21:31You came out and you said the two she knows about.
21:34Was it with the two people more than once?
21:36Is that what you're trying to say?
21:38What are you trying to say to us?
21:40Were they affairs, were they one-night stands?
21:42How many women did you have sexual intercourse with?
21:46It was only two people.
21:48Only two people, anyways.
21:50Only two people.
21:52How many times?
21:54Quite a lot.
21:55No, no lot. I can't even really tell you, to be honest.
21:58Cos that's when the relationship was up and down,
22:00like, you weren't really getting on his watch.
22:02That's the key idea, isn't it, go and cheat?
22:04I know it, doesn't it? I know it, doesn't it? At all.
22:06But, anyways, I have made up...
22:08But, to be fair to you, you fronted it out, you said to her...
22:12I have fronted it, aye.
22:13You've had the baby and you've tried again.
22:15Since she's came back, I did say,
22:16I know it'll be hard for you to trust me,
22:18and, aye, I can only show you and prove to you.
22:20We've talked about everything, but we haven't talked about
22:22you going round to somebody's house and getting your penis.
22:24Oh, that's a load of rubbish, man.
22:26That's a load of rubbish.
22:29That's how... I cannae wait to get this done.
22:31I just cannot wait to get this done,
22:33just get it over with.
22:34Are you going to pass?
22:35Oh, aye, definitely.
22:36If he passes, you're out.
22:37She said she felt one question, you tell us.
22:39That's the thing, though, it's just that after it passes...
22:41If?!
22:42No, no, it's when it passes.
22:44When?
22:45No, excuse me.
22:46When this here passes, one thing I do want, though,
22:49is, like, a bit more...
22:52..help from you, Jude, as you know, like, your...
22:55..your reinsurance.
22:56Excuse me?
22:57After this.
22:58You're the one helping me.
22:59You're the one who put me in this position.
23:01I'm talking about, like, your temper-wise and stuff like that,
23:04you know, and just a bit more trust.
23:06She's a pain in the backside, really, at the moment.
23:08I know, she can be a bit of a yo-yo, you know what I mean, but...
23:10Give me those results.
23:11You said, and I quote,
23:12I got her to phone the show, I want to prove my innocence.
23:14You said, if he's done one thing, we are toast.
23:17You look very confident.
23:18How many people in this audience think that this guy
23:21is going to pass this test?
23:23Ooh!
23:25Nobody?
23:26Nobody?
23:27This is since you got back together.
23:29We asked you, Phil,
23:30since you restarted your relationship with Jade in March,
23:32have you passionately kissed anyone else?
23:34You said no. Why did you say no?
23:35Cos I'm telling the truth.
23:36And do you know why he's smiling?
23:38Cos he's a liar.
23:39Oh!
23:40How is that rubbish?
23:42I've not kissed anybody behind her back.
23:45You've failed every single question, pal.
23:47That's rubbish. That is a load of rubbish.
23:49Redoing.
23:51Redoing, cos that is a load of rubbish.
23:53Failed sexual contact, failed sexual intercourse.
23:55Your girlfriend's out there, mate.
23:57The mother of your baby.
23:58That's a load of rubbish.
23:59Oh, it's my fault now, is it?
24:01The man who cheated on her twice, yeah?
24:03The man who watches porn at 8.30 in the morning.
24:06Not that it's time consistent.
24:07And the man who's got a progeny.
24:09Oh, come on.
24:10Jimmy, I bet you watch porn, as well.
24:11Every gay watches porn.
24:14Steve, do you watch porn at 8.30 in the morning?
24:17Not that early.
24:18Go and see your missus.
24:198.30 in the morning.
24:20How can you do this to me?
24:21You told me...
24:22You told me that you were going to do this.
24:25Jude, Jude.
24:26Well, how are you lying?
24:27How are you lying?
24:29You know you've done something,
24:30cos that would expect that you're lying,
24:32if you'd done the wee overtime.
24:34Jude, Jude.
24:44Jade, come here, you're better than that.
24:47Can't blame her.
24:48You've got a track record, pal.
24:49You've done it twice already.
24:51Oh, there they are.
24:56Don't sit near me.
24:57Sit over there.
24:59Apparently, it's my fault.
25:00Now the test's wrong.
25:01I'm not saying it's your fault.
25:02You've told me the truth, the truth that I wanted.
25:05I'm being honest with you.
25:06I've not kissed anybody behind your back.
25:08How much for the testing?
25:09Why is it saying you're lying on every single question?
25:11Have you touched somebody?
25:12No, no, no.
25:13You've watched that show too many times.
25:15You should have, like you knew,
25:16you were lying about something for that full test.
25:18I can tell by your face you're lying, pal.
25:20And let me explain.
25:21When you go into that test, if you're lying,
25:23it will have you as a liar.
25:24Something has happened.
25:25Absolutely written on it.
25:26You're sweating like a pig.
25:27Well, no, because I came back all saying it's lying
25:29when I'm telling the truth.
25:30I'm physically telling the truth here, Jude.
25:32Jude, I've not kissed any lassie behind your back.
25:35Women telling her profiles, all sorts of stuff.
25:38Come on, pal.
25:39Since you've came back, since you've came back,
25:41I'm being honest with you.
25:42Absolutely not.
25:43We're done.
25:45APPLAUSE
25:47Our son comes first.
25:49I'm being honest with you.
25:51I'm being honest with you.
25:54Jade, Jade, Jade, Jade, come here.
25:56I'm completely being honest here.
25:58What is this?
25:59Horrible, horrible.
26:00I knew it.
26:01I had that gut feeling.
26:02I knew it was going to be late again.
26:04The interesting thing is what, you take, like, you know,
26:06the public.
26:07Nobody said they thought he wasn't.
26:08I'm so sorry.
26:09No, I knew it.
26:10I knew it.
26:11I just knew it.
26:13Karen, can you come here for a second?
26:15I don't want to marry you.
26:16I've not done anything.
26:18Just get on with me, please.
26:20Just go, Phil.
26:21Jade, I'm being completely honest.
26:23Where's your microphone?
26:24Go on.
26:25I'm fine.
26:27Jade, I'm...
26:28Is this on?
26:29No.
26:30Jade.
26:31Jade, I'm being completely honest with you.
26:33Since you've came back,
26:34I've not kissed anybody behind your back.
26:36Well, you're obviously lying.
26:37That says you're lying.
26:38Jude, why would I want to come here?
26:40That says you're lying.
26:42You tell the truth now, and I'm walking for good.
26:45I'm telling you the truth.
26:46I've not kissed anybody.
26:47No, you're not.
26:48Right, mag on.
26:49Jade, I'm following you.
26:50No, you're not.
26:51I am.
26:52You came near me.
26:53God help you.
26:54Jude.
26:55Ooh!
26:56Get away from me.
26:59See that?
27:00This is what your relationship means to me.
27:02Do you know that?
27:05Jade?
27:06Jade, Jade, Jade, Jade, Jade.
27:07Sorry, I can't walk this far.
27:11Don't touch me.
27:12Get away from me.
27:15What happens, babe?
27:17Can I say something just privately?
27:19It's not to me.
27:20It's not to me.
27:21I need to say something privately, Jade.
27:22No.
27:23I need to say something privately to you.
27:24So there is something you need to admit to?
27:26Something you need to admit to, yeah?
27:27No.
27:28No, you've got something to admit.
27:29You admit it now.
27:30If you've kissed somebody or something's happened,
27:32it's going to make you out to be a liar.
27:34Come on, pal.
27:35It's written all over your face.
27:36No.
27:37Can I whisper in your ear?
27:38Batter him.
27:41No.
27:42No, I'm not allowed to say anything.
27:43No, that would come back inconclusive.
27:44If the cannabis effect, the result...
27:46Oh, now the drugs, then?
27:47That's inconclusive.
27:48Oh, now we're on drugs.
27:49Oh, there we go.
27:50Oh, no, Jeremy, I knew about that.
27:51I knew about that last night.
27:52No, because I was worried about it.
27:54I did say what happened.
27:55Mate, we've done it.
27:56But that would have come back inconclusive.
27:57Not that you lied.
27:58Jade, I'm being honest.
27:59I'm being completely honest.
28:00I've not kissed anybody behind your back.
28:02I have not kissed anybody.
28:03Well, you've done something.
28:04I've not kissed anybody behind your back.
28:06Nah.
28:07Why would I be here?
28:08I'm walking.
28:10We're done.
28:11I got the results that I wanted.
28:13And do you want to know what?
28:14I'm pretty damn glad.
28:15Do you want to know you can go to Darwin?
28:17Because you're not coming back with me and my son.
28:20Jade, Jade, Jade, come here.
28:21Jade, Jade.
28:22Is that your decision?
28:23I'm sorry.
28:24Terrible, isn't it?
28:26I'm still following you.
28:28I'm still following you.
28:29Go and get her money.
28:30I'm being completely honest with you.
28:32She doesn't want you near her, mate.
28:36Sorry.
28:37Never easy.
28:38Never easy.
28:39Especially with a young baby.
28:40Steph, you're not going to come here.
28:42We'll do what we can.
28:44It's awful because people ask for the truth
28:46and if they don't get what they want.
28:47But listen, you've done enough.
28:48Anything we can do.
28:49Listen to me.
28:50You've got to stay strong.
28:51You're better than that.
28:52And so is the relationship.
28:54You've got to stop contacting that for the win.
28:56I just don't want to see him again.
28:58I believe you.
28:59Sorry.
29:00Thanks for your help, Jeremy.
29:01Give her a round of applause.
29:03APPLAUSE
29:09Good luck to her.
29:10I hope she makes the right decision and stays away.
29:12Right, my next guest today, Sheldon, is here
29:14as he's convinced that his girlfriend, Yasmin,
29:16has cheated more times than the one kiss he already knows about
29:19and says that if she fails the lie detector,
29:21he said it as well, he's walking away.
29:23God, I'm having a morning.
29:24Sheldon's on The Jeremy Carr Show that way.
29:26APPLAUSE
29:34Did you sit down instantly?
29:36You're far too tall.
29:37How are you?
29:38I'm fine.
29:39You've been with Yasmin, are you all right?
29:41Yeah, I'm all right.
29:42A bit shell-shocked?
29:43Shell-shocked, nervous.
29:44Nervous?
29:45Nervous.
29:46You've been with Yasmin.
29:47Well, it's a television show,
29:48where are you going to be nervous, aren't you?
29:50Wave to Big Steve.
29:51I think I'm taller than him, you know.
29:52You think...
29:53No, I'm joking, I'm joking.
29:54Get here, get here, get here.
29:55Get here!
29:56APPLAUSE
30:00He says he's taller.
30:03I think I'm quite big as well, bigger than him, I think.
30:05Do you think?
30:07Did you see that?
30:08Sit down, kid.
30:09You're getting quite tall, yeah?
30:11Nobody's bigger than me, Mr Carr.
30:14There we go.
30:15Sheldon, with Yasmin, three years.
30:17I've been told Yasmin's cheated on me.
30:19Has she cheated before?
30:21Not in, like, the whole three years that we've been together.
30:24Hold on a minute.
30:25She's kissed somebody else?
30:27Yeah.
30:28Right, and how long ago was that?
30:30It was about seven months ago now.
30:32And did she tell you straight away?
30:34No.
30:35Basically, basically, like, we split up.
30:38Right.
30:39Yeah, two years and four months.
30:41Oh, you say we weren't together, I was still angry, it hurts,
30:44we've got a kid together.
30:46You just don't...
30:47This is just played on and on in your head.
30:50The relationship isn't working.
30:52You say the sex has always been good,
30:54but there's just something in my heart that says she's lying
30:57and it's not great.
30:58Well, basically, basically...
31:00Have you ever said a sentence without saying basically?
31:03I was like, come on now, come on now, come on now.
31:06Obviously, you're used to this for ten years.
31:08Twelve.
31:11So, basically, I am. I'm going to mess it up.
31:14You don't trust her, do you, pal?
31:16No, but...
31:17Do you love her?
31:18Yeah, definitely.
31:19You've got a child together and it's really, really important
31:22that she passes.
31:23Yeah, but, like, she kissed the guy, but, like, wasn't together,
31:26but obviously it still hurts.
31:28Yeah.
31:29How long did it basically take her to tell you that?
31:32Basically...
31:38Basically, basically, basically...
31:41Right, right, right.
31:43Um, basically...
31:44Oh, my gosh!
31:45Oh, my gosh!
31:52OK, OK.
31:54His girlfriend texts me and said,
31:57tell your girlfriend, blah, blah, blah, stay away and that.
32:00His girlfriend, at that point, but still her, and then...
32:04His girlfriend said to me that they kissed.
32:08Yeah, and I text Yasmin and said, did you kiss him and that?
32:12She said, yeah, straight away.
32:14She said, yes, I did.
32:17She said, yes, I did.
32:18And then I was like, well, it hurts and all that kind of stuff.
32:21Obviously, you'll fall asleep.
32:23You still don't trust her, do you?
32:26No, but...
32:27I've never seen anybody.
32:29You've got to smile.
32:30The camera will show you trying desperately not to go basically every time.
32:34He goes, well, no.
32:37It's not so easy to say basically.
32:39Oh, stop saying basically!
32:41Do you think she's cheated?
32:43You've got a baby together.
32:45Yes, yes, but...
32:46And what if she has?
32:47Obviously, it's just me and my baby.
32:49Big day, then.
32:50But it's going to hurt really, really, really bad.
32:53All right, well, we're going to get her out.
32:55Basically, what happens...
32:56Oh, for Christ's sake!
32:57Shut up!
32:58All right, anyway, Yasmin's on the Jeremy Carl Show.
33:08Yasmin, welcome to the show.
33:10There's rumours going around that I've cheated.
33:12Let's talk about the kiss.
33:13You kissed somebody else whilst you weren't with Sheldon.
33:15What's the problem with that?
33:17I don't see the problem with it because it was nothing to do with him
33:20because we weren't together.
33:21Were you together? What's the matter with you now?
33:23Basically...
33:24LAUGHTER
33:26Just sit there quietly. Don't worry about it.
33:29Go on.
33:30We wasn't together, so it's like...
33:32It's got nothing to do with him, really.
33:34I just told him out of honesty because...
33:37But this bloke that you kissed was, without being specific,
33:40somebody that Sheldon had worries about.
33:42Is that right?
33:43Yeah.
33:44So, were you sneaking off? Did anything else happen?
33:47Nothing else. So you're going to pass.
33:49You say,
33:50It really hurt me when Sheldon walked out and left me on my own with the baby.
33:53How could he do that? I did kiss the guy.
33:55I felt pretty again. He was being nice to me.
33:58I was at a low point in my life.
34:00Um...
34:01Um, what?
34:02Sheldon calls me his porn star.
34:04Our sex life is great.
34:06LAUGHTER
34:07No, I said he thinks he's a porn star.
34:10I am.
34:11You are a porn star.
34:13I think...
34:14Why are you a porn star? What makes you different?
34:17Like, I've always wanted that as my job.
34:19What?
34:20LAUGHTER
34:21Being a porn star.
34:22You want to be a porn... This is brilliant.
34:24I mean, start the relationship. Porn! Porn!
34:26Why do you think you'd be a good porn star?
34:28No, I just...
34:29Why would you be a good porn star? Why is he so good?
34:31I don't know.
34:32I think it's just, like, creative. Like, make my own position up.
34:35Which is what?
34:36Oh, God.
34:37I ain't got a name for it, but...
34:39We're going to call it in the back.
34:41CROWD CHANT
34:43Come on.
34:44CHEERING
34:47What am I doing?
34:48This is the basically move, by the way.
34:50LAUGHTER
34:51The one where I lay on the side, but I...
34:54LAUGHTER
34:57CHEERING
35:09Basically, I can't do it.
35:10A round of applause.
35:12CHEERING
35:16Oh, my man.
35:18And I think, you know, a couple of the older women
35:20who work on the Jeremy Carr show just turned to each other
35:22and went, bloody hell, did you see how her legs go round his neck?
35:25LAUGHTER
35:26Listen, fair play to you, good spirit.
35:28We're going to go to an ad break, I think,
35:30and when we come back from this ad break, on a serious note,
35:32we've got those Lie Detector results.
35:34Are you going to pass? Yeah. 100%.
35:36Don't go anywhere, my friends. Basically, I'll be back in a minute.
35:39Are you going to pass? Yeah.
35:41Yasmin stated that she kissed one man on a break.
35:45She also stated she kissed another man in front of Sheldon,
35:48who was gay and he was drunk.
35:50Since the start of your relationship with Sheldon,
35:52apart from the twice she permitted you, have you passionately kissed anyone else?
35:55Yasmin said no. Why did you say no?
36:02Have you got a jealous partner?
36:04Are you the one that cannot control your jealousy?
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36:36Thank you very much. Welcome back.
36:38Before the break, you saw his new Basically move,
36:40which is going to go down in history.
36:42Nice to meet you. You going to pass? Yeah.
36:46Yasmin stated that she kissed one man on a break.
36:49Yeah.
36:50Did you know about that? No.
36:53Yasmin stated that she kissed one man on a break.
36:57She also stated she kissed another man in front of Sheldon,
37:01who was gay and he was drunk.
37:03Oh, that was when we first got together.
37:05That was, like, three years ago. Brilliant.
37:07Since the start of your relationship with Sheldon,
37:09apart from the twice she permitted you, have you passionately kissed anyone else?
37:11Yasmin said no. Why did you say no?
37:13Cos I was telling the truth.
37:14Tess says you're a liar, Yasmin.
37:18Since the start of your relationship with Sheldon,
37:20apart from kissing, have you had any other sexual contact with anyone else?
37:24You said no. This test says you were lying on that question as well.
37:28Yasmin, this test says you failed on every single question.
37:31I'm massively shocked. I'm absolutely gobsmacked.
37:34No, I didn't. No, I did not.
37:36Sheldon, I didn't see... Honestly, mate.
37:39Talk to her, mate. No, I didn't.
37:41I actually didn't. Why did you fail, then?
37:43Because I... Listen, yeah?
37:45We was talking...
37:47That basically didn't go well, did it?
37:54Sheldon, Sheldon, Sheldon.
37:58What happened?
38:00What happened? Honestly, just me and my son.
38:06I didn't.
38:08Tell him the truth. You failed the test. Something happened.
38:11No, it didn't. I swear, Sheldon.
38:13You've been together since you were 15 and 16.
38:15I didn't expect you to fail that. I'm not shouting. He's a nice guy.
38:18Take this seriously now. Just be honest with him. Something happened.
38:21No, I'm being deadly serious, Sheldon. Basically...
38:27Why did you fail, then? Listen, yeah?
38:29Why did you fail? I told the lie detector person, yeah?
38:33When I done rock climbing and stuff, he said about touching and stuff.
38:36So I told him, like, people touching me, pushing me up the rocks, blah, blah, blah.
38:40It's not sexual intercourse, is it? You can't have sexual intercourse with a rock.
38:44I don't mean that. I meant, like, with the people.
38:48That was the only thing.
38:50Something else happened, did it, with the bloke?
38:52No. I actually swear...
38:54Listen, I'm not going to scream and shout. I'm not going to do that.
38:57Because I like this guy and I respect what you do.
38:59And I didn't see that coming in a million years.
39:01Come on, national TV and lie. I will not do that. Not in front of him.
39:05Not for my son to grow up and see me do that. I would not do that.
39:09You were on a break for six months. Maybe something else happened.
39:12A break for six months where I had other sexual partners.
39:15I had other sexual partners which he knew about.
39:18Oh, so you did? Yeah, I had other sexual partners.
39:20You didn't talk about them in the test, did you?
39:22No, but he knew about, like, I had a different boyfriend.
39:24So, hold on a second. Just calm down a second.
39:26So, you made a big thing when you came out here about how she kissed somebody else
39:30whilst you were on a break and that was a killer. Don't say a word.
39:33Your girlfriend has just said that you knew she also had sex with people on that break.
39:37This was literally about three, two months ago.
39:40Like, we split up for about eight months and then we just...
39:43Well, I'm going to be really honest.
39:45Nobody in the lie detector and nobody on the Jeremy Carr show
39:47knew you'd had sex while you were on a break
39:49and if you'd said that, that would be different.
39:51So, that's your fault, isn't it? Yeah.
39:53And why are you so upset about a kiss if you knew she'd had sex with somebody?
39:56Because when we first split up, that kiss happened straight after.
39:59So, you knew she slept with somebody else?
40:01You knew she slept with somebody else?
40:03Yeah, and this was literally about two months ago.
40:05So, I've just wasted that, then? I've wasted a lot of money, then, yeah?
40:08No, you haven't. Well, I think I have wasted a lot of money.
40:10Because... No, I have. Because here's the thing.
40:12Exactly. How many people did you sleep with when you were on a break?
40:15Two.
40:17Why didn't you tell anyone? When did you tell him that?
40:19No, because... When did you tell him that?
40:21He already knew because... So, you knew?
40:23Yeah. It was like a boyfriend.
40:25Right, well, in which case, I'm actually quite pleased.
40:28I would leave together and bring up your child.
40:30Give them a round of applause. Good luck, basically.
40:33So, the reason I tore that up is,
40:35if she'd admitted to sleeping with two people on the break,
40:37she wouldn't have failed it. Hopefully, they'll sort it out.
40:39Right, my next guest today, and we're going to change tack completely,
40:42Pamela is here, and she's desperate to try and get her mum to open up
40:45and talk to her about the tragic loss of one of her children to breast cancer.
40:48Now, Pamela says her mum has not moved on
40:50and is also suffering from cancer herself
40:52and wants to try to help before it's too late.
40:54I have to tell you, these people are incredibly brave,
40:56but they want to do this, it's important to them,
40:58that's what we're here for. Pamela's on The Kyle Show, that way.
41:09Nice to meet you.
41:11All of these parts, you know, people who watch it will go,
41:14why would you want to do this? Let's just get this right.
41:17Pauline's your mum. Yeah.
41:19You lost your sister, Jeanette, to cancer.
41:24Breast cancer? Yeah.
41:26Your mum has never really opened up about it?
41:29No, she doesn't accept it.
41:31Is she suffering from cancer as well? She is, yeah.
41:33Breast cancer? No, it's basically fluid around the womb.
41:37She's quite...
41:39The amazing thing about this lady is she's had a double mastectomy
41:42because of your concerns about breast cancer.
41:44The gene or the problem has run through the family.
41:46You say Jeanette was your best friend. Let's talk about this.
41:48She's my soul mate. She was everything.
41:50She lived with me, she...
41:52My kids were her kids.
41:54She...
41:56Bless her, she... I'm going to...
41:58She was my life.
42:00You renewed your wedding vows at her bedside.
42:03Yeah, I didn't want to...
42:05How long did she last after she found out?
42:07She found out in Christmas Eve, just before...
42:11Well, obviously, in 2011.
42:13She got told it's a Riffet sort of cancer.
42:16Well, anyway, we got Christmas out the way
42:18and she started chemo in 2012.
42:20She had a single mastectomy in May 2012
42:23and she got the all-clear at the end of 2012
42:27and it came back in August 2013.
42:29And then they told her it was terminal? Yeah.
42:31They tried everything to keep her at bay but nothing was...
42:34What was that like, watching your soul mate be taken?
42:37Hard. It was like watching one of my kids
42:40because how I felt for Jeanette is how I feel for my kids.
42:44Your mum has not handled this at all?
42:46No.
42:47Well, when we knew it was going to be terminal,
42:49mum said she didn't want to be here any more.
42:52Struggles to get out of bed?
42:54Yeah, two, three o'clock in the morning she'll get out of bed
42:57and, you know, she'll have her problems at home
43:00and she'll come to me and she'll relate her problems to me
43:03and I'm like...
43:04Because I've got to deal with it myself.
43:06Well, you've dealt with it.
43:07We talked about how you've had that double mastectomy to deal with it.
43:10And I guess, look, it's very easy, isn't it?
43:12People who have no cancer, it is such a scary word
43:15but, you know, what do you do?
43:17You get told that you have to do something about it.
43:20What's today about in terms of your mum?
43:22Is it... I mean, she's... I mean, this is terrible.
43:24I mean, you've had the double mastectomy,
43:26your mum's... your cancer, your sister's died from it.
43:29Is it to say, Mum, come on, whatever time you've got or you haven't got,
43:32you've got to get a move on, you've got to make the most of it?
43:34I wanted to open up and I wanted to accept what's happened
43:37because, you know, we've got to be happy.
43:40We've got to be a family again
43:42and we've all got to have our own space as well as Mum's just...
43:44I know your brother and sister, Darren and Julia, are in the audience.
43:46I know they want the same thing as well. They want your mum to open up.
43:48Let's get her out. Really good of her to come and really, listen,
43:50fair play to you, brave lady. Pauline's on the show.
43:52Give her a round of applause, guys.
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44:06Pauline, off with the show.
44:08I absolutely get your opening line.
44:12I can't get over Jeanette's death. It's destroyed my life.
44:15Why on earth did she have to die?
44:17That's right, yeah.
44:19It's just so unfair. When you look at that picture,
44:21look at that picture, what do you feel? What do you think?
44:25She was a lovely, lovely girl. Beautiful.
44:28Have you put up a wall emotionally or have you dealt with it?
44:31I mean, you know, you got stage four at the same time.
44:33I've got stage four, yeah. Yeah.
44:36But, um... Have you given up?
44:40On being truthful? I was going to give up, yeah, definitely,
44:43but I've got to think of my family.
44:45Listen to your daughter, cos it's really... It's very hard, though.
44:48It's very easy, isn't it, to say,
44:50you've got to get on with your life, but when you're in that moment
44:53and you're sat there... When you lose a child,
44:55I mean, nobody would know until they do.
44:57Terrible feeling.
44:59Although she was 41, she was still my baby. Of course she was.
45:02You said, everybody told me time was a healer.
45:05It's not, it's got worse. That's honest.
45:07Have you had help?
45:09I went to a bereavement group,
45:12but that didn't really help me at all.
45:15I just totally get when you said... Anything will help me.
45:17I just get it when you said, you know,
45:19the world is not the same for me.
45:21My world is not the same without Jeanette, but...
45:24And you've had so many medical problems in the family. I have, yeah.
45:27Pamela, talk to her, cos this is what this was about today.
45:30You talked to your mum.
45:32I just want you to accept...
45:35..that she's not here,
45:37but I want you to carry on with your life for us
45:39and I want you to be positive
45:41and be here for the grandkids as well.
45:44They need their grandma back.
45:46I know what we've seen was hard.
45:48You know, we watched her fall asleep and hold her hand and...
45:55..she wouldn't want you to carry on this way.
45:58I know she wouldn't, Pam, but it's just so hard for me.
46:03It's so hard.
46:05Sometimes I don't want to be here,
46:07but I've got to think of you, haven't I,
46:10and the family, my husband as well.
46:15It's all right, you know, but...
46:17I look in your eyes and I absolutely see just loss, desperation, misery.
46:22I've put... I've aged ten years in a couple of years to have my Pamela.
46:27I think... I think the only thing...
46:30Look, everybody knows I have cancer,
46:32and I think that, certainly not on your scale,
46:34but I think the easy thing to do is to look in and go,
46:37come on, love, you're lucky, you know, but you lost a kid.
46:40But I think Pamela's right.
46:42I think your daughter would really want you to do what you can
46:46to carry on for the sake of your other kids,
46:48the sake of your grandkids,
46:50because that would be, I guess, her legacy,
46:53not the fact that her mother gave up, but she looks so...
46:56I mean, I personally believe you need real constructive help,
46:59and certainly Graham and the team certainly, as a show, will provide for you,
47:03because I think it's really easy as well.
47:05I think we sort of never actually quite work out
47:08how difficult getting over certain things is,
47:10and you're struggling, aren't you?
47:12Yeah.
47:13Whenever I finish this show, right, whenever I finish the shows,
47:16after the cameras stop rolling and I say thank you to the audience,
47:20I always use a line that I heard, and I don't know who even gave it to me,
47:23but I think it's really good.
47:25I always say, just remember to treat every day as if it's your last day on Earth,
47:28because one day you will be right.
47:30That is true, you know.
47:32Darlene, you've plenty to live for.
47:34You can do nothing to reverse the misery.
47:36You've got a family that love you. I know, I know, I know.
47:39But what I promise you this team will do is provide you with the support,
47:43long-term support, that will mean that you can open up, all right?
47:46I really appreciate you coming on. Is that all right?
47:49Right, Jeremy, yeah.
47:50Really nice to meet you. Sorry you've had such a hard time.
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47:56All right, you can go that way, all right? Nice to meet you.
47:59Thank you, Darlene.
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