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The Jeremy Kyle Show (10 April 2018)
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00:10On today's show...
00:12You say his ex is obsessed with him and doesn't like the fact that we're happy.
00:17She's been making an online campaign saying that the whole family are benefit frauds and she's just been harassing the whole family.
00:23Because of what?
00:24She just wants a rise out of people.
00:30Where are you going? Just go on the stage.
00:32Every single word that comes out of their mouth is lying.
00:35Come on then, little girl.
00:37Who are you?
00:38That's the mother. She has put him through no end of hell.
00:41Her and her little mate, they've been posting **** online about him.
00:45Why are you taking me to court for the phone that I do not have? I am not paying for it.
00:49Because you ran up a **** great big bill and left him to deal with it.
00:54For the last three years, she's accused me of nothing but lying and cheating.
00:59She's knocking on my door, accusing me of opening the window to let women jump out the second floor.
01:07Every time I've tried to prove my innocence...
01:09If you loved me, you would never lie to me.
01:11Since the start of your relationship with Nicola, have you passionately kissed anyone else?
01:15She said no. Why did you say no?
01:17Because I haven't.
01:29CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
01:39Hello, my friends. Good morning and a big, big welcome to the show.
01:42Right, our first guest today, Kerry, is here to confront her boyfriend's ex-fiancée, Charlie,
01:46who she says is obsessed with him and doing everything in her power to split him up.
01:50She says Charlie is constantly harassing her boyfriend, Jake, and his family,
01:54leaving them no choice but to call the police out on multiple occasions.
01:57Kerry says Charlie is so jealous of her relationship, she's started an online campaign against Jake.
02:02She's furious that Charlie's dragging her boyfriend's name through the mud and says,
02:06today, you know what, I'm sorting it out.
02:08Kerry's on The Jeremy Carr Show. That way.
02:10CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
02:18You need to pick up... It's got nothing...
02:22Do me a favour. I don't know. Oi, did I ask you to come out?
02:26The show isn't meant to be a Jeremy. Get off until I ask you.
02:29Just like Sarah's meant to be a Jeremy. Come here.
02:31I invite you to leave the show. Shut your mouth and get up and sit down.
02:34I call the show! Sit down.
02:36CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
02:43You do that again, you're off the show. Sit down.
02:46Lose the picture. Not interested. Sit down.
02:50Let's sit together.
02:52It used to go out with her. Yeah.
02:54She just said, you're not entitled to be here.
02:56Why are you not entitled to be here?
02:58Well, because she just thinks that she's right when she's not.
03:01You say, quite simply, his ex is obsessed with him
03:04and doesn't like the fact that we're happy. Tell me more.
03:06Well, she's been making an online campaign
03:09and taking Jake's family's name through the internet
03:12and making accusations that aren't true,
03:14saying that the whole family are benefit frauds and that they're good for nothing
03:18and she's just been harassing the whole family.
03:20We've had to call the police
03:22because she's shouted abuse at me in a public place.
03:26She tried to attack you?
03:28She states that she did, but she didn't.
03:30I was sat in a car because I had had an operation in December.
03:33And?
03:34She just started shouting abuse
03:36and saying that I was Jake's new girlfriend.
03:39You and he had been together nine months.
03:41Before that, he was engaged to her? Yep.
03:44Did you meet him before they finished? No.
03:47That's what she thinks? No.
03:49Is anybody doing a lie detector today?
03:51Yep, Charlie. Why?
03:52Because we all feel that she cheated on Jake
03:55and she's just got a reputation.
03:58Did he leave her or did she leave him?
04:00She left him and said that she wanted to go on a break from him,
04:03but then she decided that after two days of being away from him
04:06that she would go and get off with someone else.
04:08You believe she's a cheat, you say she's a liar,
04:11you say there's this online campaign. Yep.
04:13You're here defending your boyfriend.
04:15You say, I'm very happy, I'm in a relationship that's good.
04:18She's interfering in it. Yep. Because of what? Jealousy?
04:21Yeah, because of jealousy. Nothing more?
04:23Because she just wants a rise out of people, probably.
04:25Tell me about this online campaign.
04:27We've got some stuff we want to put up,
04:29because I don't really understand anything to do with that,
04:31but you're saying that she and her friends have set up what?
04:33They've been making up lies and saying stuff on the...
04:36Brett Warnman criticises government of being found fit to work.
04:39What does that mean?
04:41Jake had an incident in July of last year which has put him back
04:45and he's been deemed fit by the DWP to work, but he's not fit to work.
04:50He's got post-traumatic stress disorder.
04:52He was attacked. He had a knife held to his throat.
04:55And as a result of that, he finds it very difficult.
04:57I've been giving them notes from my doctor,
04:59but it's like they don't believe me.
05:01What's that got to do with the online campaign of abuse?
05:03Why is that up there?
05:04Well, they were commenting on it, saying that he's a benefit fraud
05:07and that he's lying about everything.
05:09No, he's not! You don't know!
05:12Has he been deemed fit to work?
05:16By the job centre, yes.
05:18So he's not getting any benefit?
05:20Well, he can't get a job if he's got post-traumatic stress disorder.
05:24If he's got... Shut up!
05:26Mum, I've known him for seven years!
05:29You know nothing. Shut up.
05:33Two years!
05:35But you dubbed him and didn't want to be with him,
05:37and just because he's found...
05:40Have you not moved on or what?
05:42And who's that next to you?
05:44I can't move on because you keep getting the police to my door.
05:47This will be fun. Charlie's on the Jeremy Cowell show that way.
05:59Who said I was starting?
06:01Don't sit down.
06:02How about stop slagging him off on the internet
06:04and carrying on like you're the big girl that...
06:06I want to speak to Charlie, if that's all right.
06:08I'd like to get her side of this story rather than you two screaming.
06:11Charlie, welcome to the show.
06:13You described this man as the biggest mistake of your life.
06:16My question to you would be, if you dumped him,
06:19if you finished, and I understand people get jealous and whatever,
06:22why the hell are you so wound up by the fact that he's with her?
06:25Why don't you just let them get on with their lives and get on with yours?
06:28I don't understand.
06:30Because it's got nothing to do with her.
06:32It's got nothing to do with her.
06:34She's got something to do with her. She's with him.
06:36I called the show because of the way he's been when I was with him.
06:40Why would it bother you, sweetheart, if you're no longer with him?
06:43That's my question.
06:44Because I'm sick of the police coming to my door.
06:46I'm sick of them saying apparently I beat her up just before Christmas.
06:51The last time I was in... where they're supposed to be living
06:54was when me and him were together in February 2013.
06:57Are you still in love with him? No, I... hate him.
06:59Why do you have to swear?
07:00Why does it matter, then, whatever happened in the relationship?
07:02It's dead and gone.
07:03Because he needs to leave me alone as well as me...
07:05I don't see him. I don't speak to him.
07:07So you think he's harassing you?
07:08Oh, but you give people daggers when you go past in a car...
07:10No, I don't.
07:11..and you think it's clever to shout abuse at people.
07:13When do I ever shout abuse?
07:14Apparently outside Iceland.
07:15In January, in front of Iceland.
07:17See, what I'm saying is, you're saying she's interfering
07:20in your relationship because she's jealous.
07:22You're saying, do you know what? He won't leave me alone.
07:25Actually, he's the one waging this campaign.
07:27He was horrible to me. He was manipulative, controlling.
07:29I think they were at it, which is what I want to find out today.
07:32That's the reason you're here.
07:34But you came out and you said she wasn't entitled to be here.
07:37She's his girlfriend. Of course she's entitled to be here.
07:41But it's got nothing to do with her.
07:43Well, it's up to Jeremy...
07:44Did you have the guts to call the show?
07:46No, but you can call the police on me all the time, OK?
07:49You say that the police keep being sent round, right?
07:53Yeah.
07:54Why?
07:55Because of them calling the police, telling the police,
07:57I've done all this, this and that.
07:58Why do you call the police on her the whole time?
08:00It won't be her, it won't be Jake, it'll be Lee.
08:02That's Jake's mother,
08:03and you say the only reason she comes round the whole time
08:06is because she's having it away with half of the police force.
08:09That's what you said, didn't you? Yeah.
08:11Right, well, after this break, this will be fun.
08:13You don't know nothing. Sorry?
08:14She doesn't know nothing. She doesn't know what happened.
08:16OK, you've been with him nine months, I've been with him two years.
08:19You sound like you care! You got rid of him!
08:21I think because you've known him longer than me.
08:23The mother-in-law in the middle, after the break, right back, go!
08:28Where are you going? Just go on the stage.
08:33I keep calling the police.
08:34In fact, actually, no, I take that back.
08:36I don't call the police, my son calls the police.
08:39Why? Because... Shut your mouth!
08:48I started this show 13 years ago
08:50and I wanted to help men fight to see their children.
08:53I'm going to do everything I can to make sure he sees his kid.
08:58I think I might be good for her, yeah?
09:00To help addicts change their lives.
09:02There is nothing in the world that is a better option than this.
09:05We'll get an intervention that will help you cope.
09:08To give victims an important voice.
09:10Have you ever seen what you do to me?
09:12I'm going to make sure this boy has as much help and as much support
09:16and you can do whatever you want to reunite families.
09:22For 39 years you haven't seen her.
09:24Karen's on the Jeremy Carr show, don't worry.
09:27And of course, as you know,
09:28I believe that everybody should know who their dad is.
09:31Here's your dad.
09:33It's your dad.
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10:08Welcome back, it's all the brain love rivals, Kerry and Charlie.
10:11So you have been with Jake, Charlie's ex, for nine months.
10:14You love him, you're here defending his honour,
10:16you say his ex is nothing but a troublemaker, she's jealous of us,
10:20she's definitely been cheating during the relationship,
10:22she was no good for him, that's why we're here.
10:25She came out and she said,
10:26you know what, this family have harassed me,
10:28I finished this relationship, I don't trust this guy.
10:31She says you're the worst...
10:32Is it round here? I'm going to go...
10:34I want to get... I don't know where she's gone.
10:36We'll go this way.
10:43Let's start again, babe, because, to be honest with you,
10:46that's why I hate all the screaming and shouting instantly on this show,
10:50because I want to get the story.
10:52You told my team, I finished it because I didn't like the relationship,
10:57I finished it because it was awful,
11:00I've had people knocking on my door,
11:02I think it's the mother, I think it's him, I did nothing wrong,
11:06they're slagging me off and calling me a cheat,
11:08I'm just here to clear my name and to tell them all to leave me alone.
11:11Would that be right? Yes. It's all lies.
11:13They're telling...
11:14Every single word that comes out of their mouths is lies.
11:17Why are they doing that, then, if you're no longer with him?
11:20He obviously still loves me. Do you think that? Yeah.
11:23For me to do a lie detector test, what's the point in that?
11:28If he don't love me, why does it matter?
11:30Come on, then, little girl! Who are you? That's the mother.
11:33Hi, Des, thank you for having us on the stage.
11:36You! Just wait there, please.
11:38Who do you think you are, doing that? I'm his mother.
11:41She has put him through no end of hell, her and her little mate,
11:45and that other girl, who I feel so sorry for,
11:48because she knows nothing about any of this,
11:50it's that and it's mate that have put him through hell.
11:54They've been posting...online about him.
11:56Don't go to the papers if you don't want people to know things.
11:59We went to the papers to tell the truth,
12:01not so little...like you, who couldn't open your mouth.
12:03Why are you here, then, if you're telling the truth, apparently?
12:06We've got paperwork downstairs. Two files, that's it.
12:09Oh, from O2? No!
12:11Oh! No! No, little girl!
12:14No! We've got paperwork from the court!
12:16We've got paperwork from the police!
12:18Why are you taking me to court for the phone that I do not have?
12:21I am not paying for it.
12:22Because you ran up a...big bill and left him to deal with it!
12:26I did not! You lying little...
12:28Can you stop swearing? I had £82.
12:32If you had...
12:34Sorry, isn't this about the phone that your son took out
12:37in his name for her, and there was a bill of 760-something quid?
12:41The bill is not that much, Jeremy.
12:43Did the court not judge against you and say you owe the money?
12:47Yes, they did. Yes or no?
12:48I had the phone one, two months.
12:50He paid the first month, the second month, you cancelled it.
12:53Do you want me to go and get the paperwork?
12:55Stop going on about the paperwork. If the court judges...
12:58Is this paperwork that...has given you?
13:01You silly little girl!
13:03You silly little...
13:05Why are you here?
13:07I've come with my son!
13:09You think that's nice to speak like that?
13:11Not you, not Kerry!
13:12She deserves it, Jez. I'm sorry, mate. I'm so sorry.
13:15What's she done wrong?
13:16What has she done right?
13:18She says you're a benefits cheat.
13:19No, I've done nothing right. Nothing to hide whatsoever.
13:21This is what I don't get. All you do is shout.
13:23What is your point to all of this?
13:25I want them to stop calling the police...
13:27Why do you keep calling the police?
13:29Because you're sleeping with them all.
13:31..and I don't go to...
13:33Keep calling the police. In fact, actually, no, I take that back.
13:36I don't call the police. My son calls the police.
13:39Why? Because... Shut your mouth!
13:41He asked me a question, not you!
13:43Shut your mouth!
13:45Shut your mouth!
13:47When it was Hannah... Shut your mouth!
13:49Why did you always call the police on Hannah?
13:51Right, that's it. Go back on that step.
13:53Oi, get off those steps.
13:55I'm not going on the stage until Jake comes out.
13:57He will come out. I want to calm it down.
13:59Get out there and I'll do this how I do it.
14:01Jake will come out.
14:04APPLAUSE
14:14Let's go back on that stage.
14:16Where are you going? Just go on the stage.
14:19I'm not going on walkabout.
14:23I really don't understand.
14:27So let's get this absolutely straight.
14:30You were with Jake, whose family don't like you.
14:32They accuse you of taking out a phone in his name
14:34and racking up a bill, something that was in fact proven in court.
14:37£739.
14:39You're now with Jake.
14:41She accuses you and Jake's family of phoning the police the whole time.
14:45Apparently, your mother-in-law-to-be has a hotline to the police
14:48because she seems to sleep with most of them.
14:50You say that you believe that Jake cheated on you,
14:53that they're harassing you, but you come across in a way,
14:56and I'm not being rude, I don't know why
14:58you just don't walk away from this.
15:00I get the police thing, I understand that.
15:03But you're saying, I'm not talking to her
15:05and I'm not talking to the mother, it's all about Jake.
15:07Why is it all about Jake?
15:09Because I phoned the show to sort it out with him.
15:12Who is harassing who?
15:14She's harassing us. How am I harassing you?
15:16Well, you're certainly doing an online thing, aren't you?
15:19You were talking about the comments you've made when she...
15:21But, OK, so, Jake messaged my friend's mum,
15:26oh, can you get these lot to take this off,
15:28otherwise I'm going to call the police.
15:30Why doesn't he message everyone else and tell them to take it off?
15:33Because you're blocked on Facebook because he doesn't want...
15:35Oh, I wonder why!
15:37But you sound like you give a damn now, there.
15:40I have to get her back, OK, cos it has to be on this stage.
15:43Your ex-mother-in-law, Lee, is on the Jeremy Cowell show that way.
15:46CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
15:53Can we do the... Oh!
15:55Come on, then, stand up, then, tell me what you've got to say.
15:57You're nothing... Sit down.
15:59I don't think... I'm not touching her.
16:01As much as I want to, I ain't going to touch her.
16:03You don't want your hands on me anyway, so you're all right.
16:05My...
16:07You can shut up because you know nothing!
16:09Can I... Sorry, can you park...
16:11Could you just sit down, please?
16:13Yes, for you, I will.
16:15Why do you hate her so much?
16:17Because since they have split up, since she left him,
16:20her and her friend have done nothing but harass him, harass us...
16:24Why have you done that?
16:26Why did I leave him, Lee?
16:28Because me and him couldn't have a proper relationship
16:30without you putting your two pen at him.
16:32Really?! Who's Sarah?
16:34Nobody. My friend.
16:36Sarah's on the Jeremy Cowell show that way.
16:38CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
16:41Lee! Lee, just shut up and leave my thing alone!
16:45You know nothing, Sarah, so go away.
16:48Really? Really? I know enough. I know enough.
16:51I know enough. By her and your...
16:54..being fed about me with him and his...
16:56Yeah, exactly.
16:58Sarah, welcome to the show. You're Charlie's friend.
17:00I would like to hear what you have to say about this
17:02because you're hardly in a position of strength
17:04because you've been sending abusive messages online, haven't you?
17:07Yeah. Haven't you?
17:09Yes. Why?
17:11Because he's a benefit cheat. They all are.
17:13The whole family is a benefit cheat.
17:15Charlie, claiming benefits, no change there.
17:17It wouldn't be the first time he's lied about things either.
17:19I should know the whole family's benefited.
17:21I know lazy something crying because he doesn't want to work.
17:23Wastey.
17:25Sarah, he's had plenty of helping hands and chances
17:27and he wants this on everyone that gives him.
17:29I'm speaking. He's been trying to play the mental illness card
17:32and I find it very offensive that he believes it's OK
17:34to lie about these circumstances.
17:36People like him don't deserve help
17:38and are right in taking his benefits away
17:40as there is nothing wrong with him.
17:42The whole family are benefit frauds
17:44and this is another one following in their direction.
17:46But there's right and wrong on both sides here, isn't there?
17:48Because, essentially, you have been judged against
17:50and a court of law bar judge who says you owe him £739 for the phone.
17:52But the truth is, also, your son,
17:54you're out defending your boyfriend,
17:56you're out loudly defending your son,
17:58but your son was deemed by the government
18:00and the authorities to be fit to work
18:02and his benefits were stopped.
18:04So I ask you this. Wait!
18:06Maybe she's right.
18:08Let's get the man in the middle out.
18:10Jake's on the Jeremy Carr show. Give him a round of applause.
18:12APPLAUSE
18:18Why the f*** are you here?
18:20Why the f*** is she here?
18:22Shut the f*** up.
18:24Why the f*** is she here?
18:26She's lying!
18:28You brought your mother in again!
18:30I'm not even here to defend you, so what the f*** are you talking about?
18:32OK, then.
18:34Because when I'm talking to someone
18:36who's treated me and my family like f***ers
18:38and someone who has got nothing to do
18:40with the situation,
18:42do you really expect me to be calm?
18:44I'd like to try.
18:46Can you shut up and let him speak?
18:48When did I cheat on you?
18:50I have reason to believe you have.
18:52OK, so show me proof.
18:54Tell me proof.
18:56When was he able to cheat on you?
18:58Let him speak, Mummy.
19:00Why was he able to cheat on you?
19:02Why was he always outside my work?
19:04Let me speak.
19:06Do you believe she cheated on you?
19:08Yeah, I do.
19:10You weren't able to do a lie detector.
19:12Because I'm on the medication.
19:14But she also believes that you're a cheat.
19:16She can believe that.
19:18Were you?
19:20No.
19:22Were you sleeping with Kerry behind her back?
19:24Where's your medication, then?
19:26Downstairs in the bag, in the locker.
19:28Oh, is it your medication or your mum's medication?
19:30We've had it all authorised by Aftercare.
19:32He's not allowed to do this on medication.
19:34So you believe that she's a cheat?
19:36Yeah.
19:38Can I ask you a question?
19:40Let's say we do this lie detector and she isn't a cheat.
19:42The court has already ruled that she owes you £739 for this phone.
19:44The court has already, and this is what I want to ask you.
19:46I'm not having a go. I'd like some explanation.
19:48The court, the government, whatever,
19:50says that you are fit to work and have stopped your benefit.
19:52Your girlfriend and mother, very vocally,
19:54said the doctor's got a different opinion.
19:56Be quiet.
19:58How do you survive, then?
20:00Because these people are saying that you're all con artists
20:02and that that is proof that you are.
20:04Why is your benefit money being stopped,
20:06a system that was set up to help people who can't help themselves,
20:08if you are, in fact, honest about what's happened to you?
20:10Why are they not supporting you?
20:12They're not supporting me because when I went to...
20:14I can't remember the name of the place,
20:16but it's in Reading,
20:18the assessment that they said
20:20is all physical-based.
20:22Now, the problem that I have is a mental illness.
20:24So you're saying that the entire system is completely wrong
20:26and you're absolutely lock, stock and barrel kosher,
20:28is that right?
20:30Yes.
20:32So why have you had jobs in the past?
20:34Why did you work at...
20:36Why did you work wherever else you worked?
20:38Oh, cos I can't work.
20:40He is going to counselling.
20:42We've had it verified.
20:44He's saying that he's worked all his life,
20:46this attack happened and he's traumatised,
20:48which is why he can't work. That's what he's saying to us.
20:50But I still don't know why you're shaking like a leaf
20:52and why this is so important to you.
20:54I'm not scared. I'm annoyed.
20:56Why? Are you in love with him still?
20:58You're the one who's annoyed.
21:00You're the one who's annoyed.
21:02I didn't want you two here, I brought him here.
21:04Why?
21:06Oi! Oi! Do you keep calling the police on her?
21:08No.
21:10Yes, we do.
21:12I don't call the police.
21:14You said out there,
21:16you ain't the one that calls it, it's James.
21:18Can you still have something?
21:20You need to get a bag...
21:22Why do you keep calling the police?
21:24Because wherever we go, whatever we do,
21:26if that and its best friend,
21:28the person that you know about
21:30that we can't mention because it ain't here...
21:32And we can mention her name.
21:34Thank you very much.
21:36If we have the misfortune to run into them,
21:38we get nothing but verbal abuse.
21:40But why would you? Hannah is Charlie's best friend,
21:42Jake's childhood friend as well.
21:44I'm fed up being dragged into all of this.
21:46As far as I'm concerned, Jake, Lee and Kerry
21:48need to stop obsessing over Charlie and leave her alone.
21:50That's why they're constantly calling the police on us.
21:52If I was as bad as they claim,
21:54the police would have pressed charges against both of us.
21:56Jake is a benefits cheat.
21:58He takes drugs and, frankly, lies about everything.
22:00He even said that Charlie beat his girlfriend up,
22:02which is a complete lie.
22:04Jake is the one who's still in love with Charlie.
22:06He needs to accept they're over
22:08and keep his massively interfering mother and girlfriend out of it.
22:10How do you answer that?
22:12Well, quite frankly...
22:14Are you still in love with her?
22:16No, I'm not.
22:18Why are you swearing again?
22:20Because I don't like her.
22:22She doesn't like you.
22:24She has dragged me on this stage and my family on this stage.
22:26You've taken me to court.
22:28And the court said you were wrong!
22:30OK, well, that's me to deal with the court.
22:32So the courts are wrong, the Department of Work and Pensions are wrong
22:34and you lot are all right, yeah?
22:36I think there's right and wrong on both sides.
22:38You should damn well get on with your own lives
22:40and let bygones be bygones.
22:42That's what I think.
22:44Here we go.
22:46Hang on a moment!
22:48Whose name was contracted?
22:50Oh, my Lord, I've got a lie detector right now.
22:52Who's out in the contract and the payment?
22:54A pin notice against her, which is an official police warning.
22:56I've got a lie detector.
22:58No, no, no!
23:00This has nothing to do with you.
23:02Hello, you believe that she cheated on you during the...
23:04Can you please be quiet?
23:06How many people in the audience who are with it and understand?
23:08How many people think Charlie cheated on him?
23:10One.
23:12Two out of thousands.
23:14Charlie, during your relationship with Jake,
23:16did you have sexual intercourse with anyone else?
23:18She said no. Why did you say no?
23:20I was telling the truth.
23:22Of course she was telling the truth.
23:24APPLAUSE
23:26You've gone very quiet, you two, haven't you?
23:28Because she passed every single question.
23:30APPLAUSE
23:34Sit down!
23:40Is there really any need for this?
23:42I'm not running around after them.
23:44She didn't cheat.
23:46I know you can't do a test because of the post-traumatic stress disorder,
23:48but why don't you stop phoning the police on them?
23:50The reason why we're not phoning the police...
23:52Where's he going to end up, pal?
23:54The reason why we're not going to stop
23:56phoning the police on them
23:58is because every single day...
24:00Now there's proof!
24:02Now there's proof that I cheated on you.
24:04Stop calling the police. I'll go to court.
24:06Without them two there, I'm not paying the money.
24:08You are.
24:10If you walk beside you are, you will.
24:12You will.
24:14No, I won't.
24:16Then you'll just get bailiffs involved.
24:18You need to roll!
24:20Leave her alone!
24:26I think that's it.
24:28Go that way. End of the story.
24:30I found lipstick on my pillow
24:32and ladies' hairs in our bed.
24:34You were cheating in our house.
24:36You've had a baby on my birthday.
24:38I've seen the picture on your phone
24:40and you've deleted it.
24:42That was a picture of my leg.
24:44And this is what you constantly do.
24:48It's getting worse. I need your help
24:50and I'm not leaving this stage until I get your help.
24:52I want my life back.
24:54Give me a chance to prove you wrong.
24:56What do you mean?
24:58Give me a chance to prove you wrong.
25:00I want my kids.
25:04My name is Emma
25:06and I believe I'm your daughter.
25:08This is my last chance.
25:10I've always thought about you.
25:12Get in contact!
25:16She got a full house!
25:20Your grandchild.
25:22We'll sort this, okay?
25:24I promise you.
25:26Listen, it's alright.
25:28He wants to be a dad.
25:30He wants to have a relationship with his child.
25:32He's your dad!
25:34You will today go to rehab.
25:36You are the child's father.
25:40I'll be alright.
25:42I know that, alright?
25:44You can change it.
25:46If there's anybody out there who thinks I can't,
25:48come and get Jeremy's help. Trust me.
25:52If you're 16 or over and you'd like to be considered for the show,
25:54an email talk at itv.com
25:56along with your number.
25:58You need to text the word TALK plus your name
26:00to 63334.
26:02Calls cost 25p plus one standard network rate message.
26:04Or you can call the team today.
26:06It's 09011.
26:08It's 123456.
26:10Calls cost 25p plus your network access charge.
26:22Michael is here because he is sick of the constant accusations
26:24of girlfriend Nicola.
26:26Now Michael claims that Nicola is constantly
26:28inspecting him for other women's hairs.
26:32Woo!
26:34Sniffing him for other women's perfume.
26:38And has even accused him of fathering a child with another woman
26:40whilst in a relationship with her.
26:42He says after he proves himself with a lie detector today,
26:44he wants the accusations stopped once and for all.
26:46So don't really smell your name.
26:48And Michael's on The Jeremy Carr Show. Come on!
26:56Nice to meet you too.
26:58Very easy, I think, when you do this show as often as we do it
27:00It's your life, though.
27:02For us it's just...
27:04But seven years you've been together.
27:06And it would be important at this point to say that you and Nicola
27:08have had some issues in the past?
27:10Well, yeah. We've been together seven years.
27:12And for the last three years, nearly half the relationship,
27:14she's accused me of nothing but lying and cheating
27:16all the time.
27:18Let's put it out there now.
27:20You both have problems with drugs, but you are both clean.
27:22Yeah, yeah.
27:24What drugs were they?
27:26Just cannabis. Mainly cannabis.
27:28Yeah, yeah.
27:30She used to be a heavy drinker, but she stopped drinking
27:32since I've been with her. I got her off the drink.
27:34So it's a serious long-term relationship.
27:36Now, you say, interestingly,
27:38she's been accusing you for three years.
27:40What's with that time scale?
27:42Why do you think that is?
27:44Well, I think it all started because
27:46when we got our house together,
27:48she used to go to her parents and stay out.
27:50And I used to spray the pillow
27:52and spray the bed with her perfume
27:54so I could smell her while I'm asleep.
27:56And a lot of people say
27:58that's a normal thing.
28:00Why?
28:02A night free, watch the football, get the beers
28:04and get a curry and get the lads round you,
28:06you big softy.
28:08That happens, yeah, but in the end, when I go to bed,
28:10I like to think she's with me.
28:12But you didn't sell her... Oh, shut up.
28:14We got a house and she started going to her parents.
28:16Why didn't she just stay in the house with you?
28:18No, she has to visit her family.
28:20She has to do her own thing.
28:22She is, to be fair,
28:24completely believing that you've messed around.
28:26She inspects you.
28:28Well, yeah, I come home from work.
28:30Yeah, she says,
28:32oh, you're smelling and you're stinking of fish,
28:34she says.
28:36You know, I've just been to work,
28:38I'm bound to get hot and sweaty.
28:40I could have a shower,
28:42go out on my bike for 20 minutes,
28:44come home sweaty.
28:46Where do you work? In a fish shop.
28:48It's a factory, but...
28:50She inspects you.
28:52She inspects her perfume bottles and her hairsprays,
28:54thinking I've been letting other women use them.
28:56Nicola thought a photo of my leg
28:58was that of a newborn baby.
29:00I know what it was.
29:02Was it your leg?
29:04I know an elderly woman.
29:06Sorry?
29:08I know this elderly woman, I used to work for her.
29:10I went to visit her
29:12and she's been wheeled out in a chair to hospital.
29:14So I went to hospital to visit her.
29:16That's nice.
29:18She's so ill, I wasn't allowed to visit.
29:20So that was it, that was the end of it.
29:22And when I went home,
29:24Nicola said she saw a photo of a baby
29:26on my phone.
29:28I said, to have a baby, you have to have sex.
29:30Not with the old lady?
29:32No, no.
29:34So you haven't cheated,
29:36and you haven't had...
29:38On a serious note though,
29:40Mike, what is this...
29:42You say you love the woman.
29:44You've been through quite a lot together.
29:46What does this do to you, personally?
29:48It's three years of it,
29:50it's just run me right down.
29:52It's just took away all my confidence.
29:54Why have you...
29:56We recently lost our house
29:58because she moved out.
30:00She was accusing me of having people around all the time.
30:02These drunken men.
30:04She's accused me of sleeping with men as well.
30:06There's beer cans in the garden
30:08that have been there since we moved in.
30:10Well clear them up, you messy git.
30:12She's accusing me of having a party
30:14and having all these people around
30:16and having all the items in...
30:18Things used to get broke in the house
30:20because I used to use my temper and smash things up.
30:22She's telling me that it's
30:24people coming in drinking,
30:26falling over the place,
30:28smashing the house up.
30:30She says that despite your working hours
30:32you used to have sex three or four times a day,
30:34now once a week.
30:36It's more than that.
30:38Is it?
30:40You have sex more than that.
30:42Because the accusations are there,
30:44it's hard for me
30:46to show interest when she's constantly accusing me.
30:48She thinks I'm cheating on her
30:50so she doesn't make the effort
30:52so it's hard for me to make the effort.
30:54She told us she's found scratches on your back.
30:56Josh!
30:58The scratches on the back,
31:00if I'm at work I use a piece of wood or a piece of metal
31:02or anything to scratch my back with.
31:04I do it all the time.
31:06You what?
31:08You rub against a post?
31:10Anything.
31:12So what, if I was like that,
31:14I'd be going like that?
31:16Yeah.
31:18We lost our house
31:20so we've recently moved in
31:22to a sheltered accommodation together.
31:24We have our separate rooms on separate floors.
31:26Now she's constantly accusing me
31:28of cheating with the other women
31:30in this building.
31:32Whatever name she calls them.
31:34We sleep together.
31:36We've got our own rooms.
31:38We sleep together in a single bed.
31:40This is how bad it's got.
31:42We sleep together in a single bed
31:44because I'm too scared to go up to my own room
31:46to sleep at night because she's accusing me
31:48of having women in my room.
31:50She's knocking on my door
31:52accusing me of opening the window
31:54to let women jump out the second floor.
31:56She thinks women are jumping out the windows
31:58left, right and centre.
32:00I wish I was that popular.
32:02I'm just simply not.
32:04I really appreciate the fact that you've come here.
32:06You've done a lie detector.
32:08She sleeps in the same bed.
32:10If I go down the opposite end, top and tail
32:12she'll wake up in the morning saying
32:14what are you sleeping down there for?
32:16What's wrong with me?
32:18Why aren't you up here with me?
32:20Because I need a good night's sleep.
32:22I'm physically drained.
32:24I'm so tired.
32:26Why did you put up with it?
32:28Because I love her so much
32:30and I know deep down she loves me.
32:32She tells everyone she loves me
32:34and I just can't walk away from it
32:36and I don't do none of it.
32:38I'm sick to death of the accusations.
32:40It has to end today.
32:42I can't take any more of it.
32:44So do the lie detector today.
32:46I did the lie detector today
32:48so I told her I'll do any test you want
32:50to prove my innocence.
32:52I've done nothing to cause all these accusations.
32:54Are you going to pass?
32:56Of course I'm going to pass.
32:58It was me that phoned you to do this test
33:00not her.
33:02Did you leave a message?
33:05I really appreciate you being here.
33:07You've done the test.
33:09Nicola's on the Jeremy Cowell show that way.
33:17Hi, Jeremy.
33:19Welcome to the show, sweetheart.
33:21I'm 70% sure that Michael is a cheat.
33:23I found lipstick on my pillow
33:25and ladies' hairs in our bed.
33:27I share a house with several women.
33:29We all share the same washing machine.
33:31There's people in and out all the time.
33:34The reason why I left my own house
33:36because you were cheating in our house.
33:40You were making the women wear my clothes.
33:42You were making the women wear all my perfume.
33:44You were making them wear all my make-up
33:46and everything of mine.
33:48My mother bought me.
33:50God bless her.
33:52She's passed away.
33:54You were making them wear all that.
33:56You were taking all my stuff.
33:58Every time I asked you,
34:00you constantly lied to me.
34:03Tell me the truth.
34:05I've been telling you the truth for three years.
34:07You've had a baby on my birthday.
34:09I've seen the picture on your phone
34:11and you deleted it.
34:13That was a picture of my leg.
34:15To have a baby, you have to cheat
34:17and I haven't cheated.
34:19How can I have a baby if I haven't cheated?
34:23Do you believe everything you've just said?
34:25Yeah, I do.
34:27What if you're wrong?
34:29I will apologise.
34:31If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.
34:33I'll apologise for that if I'm wrong.
34:35Look at this morning.
34:37We went down for breakfast.
34:39Oh, thank God you said that.
34:41We went down for breakfast.
34:43She said, you put white sugar in your tea.
34:45I said, no, I didn't.
34:47I put brown sugar in.
34:49I had to spoon my sugar out of my cup
34:51to prove to you that I didn't have it.
34:53Why has it got this bad?
34:55Because he constantly lies to me
34:57and he constantly walks out the house
34:59Maybe he can't bear being mothered
35:01by a woman who's driving him nuts.
35:03No, he's constantly lying to me.
35:05I have seen it.
35:07I don't wear make-up.
35:09I don't wear make-up.
35:11Did you find scratches on it?
35:13Yes, there's make-up being in my bed.
35:15Different colour make-ups.
35:17He has treated me like...
35:19for the last three years.
35:21All right, so what if he...
35:23Can I speak? It's called the Jeremy car show.
35:25What happens if he fails?
35:27But I think he loves you.
35:29He made me feel like...
35:31He says he loves you, darling.
35:33Every time I've tried to prove my innocence
35:35she won't accept it.
35:37If you love me, you would never lie to me.
35:39That's what love's about.
35:41You don't lie to a person.
35:43If you love a person, you don't lie to them.
35:45We asked Michael, since the start of your relationship
35:47with Nicola, have you passionately kissed anyone else?
35:49She said no. Why did you say no?
35:51Because I haven't.
35:53Why are you so convinced?
35:55Michael, it says you can't lie.
35:59Come on, bring it.
36:01Since the start of your relationship with Nicola,
36:03have you had sexual contact with anyone else?
36:05You said no. This test says you lied on that question as well.
36:07Nicola, Nicola, I'm not chasing after you.
36:09Come here.
36:11Since the start of your relationship with Nicola,
36:13have you had sexual intercourse with anyone else?
36:15Your boyfriend failed every single question.
36:19I hope you leave a lonely old man.
36:21I've never cheated on you.
36:23I hope you leave a lonely old man.
36:25We are done.
36:31I'm a liar.
36:33You put me through seven years.
36:35How dare you?
36:37How dare you?
36:39How dare you?
36:41You put me through seven years.
36:43I loved you and you put me through seven years.
36:47How through you?
36:49Seven years.
36:51You answered every question.
37:01She noticed the only reaction.
37:03Final question.
37:05Where's she gone?
37:07Hey, come here, come here, come here.
37:09You mean that, don't you?
37:11Yes, I do.
37:13Yes, I do.
37:15I thought you were mad.
37:17No, I'm not.
37:19were just one obsessed person who was looking for a problem.
37:22No, I loved that man to death.
37:24I gave him many a chance to put his cards on the table.
37:27And he wouldn't do it. This was the last result,
37:30because he was constantly hurting me.
37:32I felt that hurt in my heart.
37:34If you love someone, you feel that hurt.
37:36You see what I'm saying?
37:37And I felt it, and this...
37:39This...
37:41That is...
37:42I want that redone.
37:43How would you want it redone?
37:45You're a liar, mate.
37:46Liar! Liar!
37:47I'll pay for every other test.
37:49I knew it. I knew it.
37:51She was right. You made her out to be barking mad, mate.
37:53That is...
37:55You never cheated on her.
37:56I don't give a...about that test.
37:58Well, you're playing the joke, don't you?
37:59Go to the doctors, cos it's all in my head.
38:02I went to the doctors for you.
38:03We go to the doctors, but I won't prove myself.
38:06That is...
38:07That is...
38:08He gave me sleeping...
38:10..to sleep, because I couldn't sleep and eat,
38:13because when you... You were...
38:15I'm not cheating. I've never had sex.
38:18I knew it. I felt it in my heart.
38:20Stop, stop, stop.
38:21For seven years, you've taken my life.
38:23So what happened was that... Be quiet.
38:25You didn't have sex, but you didn't say you didn't kiss
38:27or have sexual contact, so what... Be quiet.
38:29How dare you? So what happened?
38:31Nothing's happened. I didn't have sex with anybody else.
38:35What about kissing? What about sexual contact?
38:37Something happened, and you know...
38:38Nothing's happened. You can say whatever you want,
38:40because you did not react, and I can prove it by showing it right now.
38:43I watched your eyes, and you did not react
38:45until the sexual intercourse thing came out.
38:48The first two, you weren't surprised about, were you?
38:51No, because her friend has hugged and kissed me,
38:54but I've never had sex with no-one. He doesn't care.
38:56I've never had sex with anyone. You're a liar, mate.
38:58It's written all over your face. I don't need to have the conversation.
39:01Neither do I. Neither do I.
39:03I don't need to have it with you, because what I do is,
39:06there's a lot of people that I talk to on this show,
39:08and then you just know that they're going to completely ignore it.
39:10Exactly. I knew. She's leaving you, mate.
39:12I knew. I felt it in my heart.
39:14Good, did you say? I've had seven years of accusations.
39:17Oh, you were crying out there, saying,
39:18I can't live without her, I put perfume on the pillow.
39:21Seven years of accusations!
39:22Listen, mate, this is true. I haven't cheated, I know.
39:25I'm gone. I'm gone. I'm gone.
39:26Wish you the best of luck. I'm gone. Thank you.
39:28All right, see you, mate. You're done. Good luck. Bye.
39:30Bye.
39:33You know what I think?
39:35I think the lady's not for turning.
39:37More after the break. We're right back.
39:39You were brought up by another man.
39:41Yeah, who I believed was my father.
39:43I've done a sibling DNA with my sister and my mum,
39:46and that came back that we were only half siblings.
39:51So, the man I found that envelope will tell you where to visit you.
39:54Probably not.
40:05I started this show 13 years ago,
40:07and I wanted to help men fight to see their children.
40:10I'm going to do everything I can to make sure he sees his kid.
40:14Am I right?
40:15It'll be good for her, yeah?
40:16To help addicts change their lives.
40:19There is nothing in the world that is a better excuse than this.
40:22We'll get an intervention that will help you cope.
40:24To give victims an important voice.
40:27Have you seen what you're doing to me?
40:29I'm going to make sure this boy has as much help and as much support on you
40:33and do whatever you want to reunite families.
40:36No!
40:38For 39 years, you haven't seen a Karen's on the Jeremy Carr show that way.
40:43And, of course, as you know,
40:44I believe that everybody should know who their dad is.
40:47He's your dad.
40:48He's your dad.
40:52I don't know about you, but I think we're doing a pretty good job.
40:56If you're 16 or over and you'd like to be considered for the show,
40:59email talk at itv.com along with your number.
41:01Text TALK, plus your name, to 63334.
41:04Text costs 25p plus one standard rate message.
41:06Or you can call my team today. It's 09011.
41:09It's 123456.
41:11Calls cost 25p plus network access charge.
41:23Thank you very much indeed. Welcome back.
41:25My next guest is on this stage to make a plea
41:27in the hopes she can find her father after 44 years.
41:30Now, Wendy says she was raised by a man who she believed was her dad.
41:33However, following his passing, she did a DNA test with a sibling
41:36and it was determined this guy was not indeed her father.
41:39She's here today to do a plea to find her biological father.
41:42We can't promise we'll do our best. It's a massive day.
41:45Real sympathy for her as well and hope.
41:47Wendy's on The Jeremy Carr Show. That way.
41:57Wendy, 44.
41:59It's TALK. I know you're here to make an appeal.
42:01Tell me what you've got so far.
42:03I know his name.
42:05I used to work in a tropical fish shop in town.
42:09Tell me about your upbringing. You were brought up by another man.
42:12Yeah, who I believed was my father.
42:14He died four years ago.
42:16So, at the age of 40, you still believe this bloke was your father?
42:19Yeah. No idea? Buried him and everything.
42:22Thought he was my dad.
42:24Good dad? Yeah.
42:26Yeah, he was always there. Mum and Dad split up.
42:28Still there for me as a dad.
42:30It's interesting that nothing was said when they split up
42:32cos sometimes that would have happened.
42:34I always had an idea, always had a feeling.
42:36Why? Don't know.
42:38So, you find out when he died,
42:40somebody said something and you thought,
42:42I'm going to take the law into my own hands here.
42:44Yeah, and then I found out,
42:46and then I confronted my mum and said,
42:48you know, I believe we're not...
42:50I'd done a sibling DNA with my sister and my mum
42:54and that came back that we were only half siblings.
42:58Done a couple of searches. What's that like?
43:00Devastating.
43:02Your sisters aren't your full sisters?
43:04Yeah. My brother's not my full brother.
43:06What leads you here?
43:08You're the man, ain't ya?
43:18On a serious note, we say this many times,
43:20we're happy for people to do an appeal,
43:22we don't even know whether we can be of any assistance,
43:25but you haven't got a lot on him, have you?
43:27No. I've got a name.
43:29What's his name?
43:31Where's he from?
43:33He used to live in Ipswich.
43:35Um, no idea past that.
43:38Um...
43:40Don't even know if he's still alive.
43:43A lot of people come on this show, Wendon,
43:45they, you know, understandably, I think a lot of us
43:47take for granted that we've got a mother and a father,
43:49and I mean that, whether they're divorced or not.
43:51To not know for 44 years, and for you, your story,
43:53to think one thing for 40 years
43:55and then to have everything, like, shot to pieces
43:57is a horrible thing, but...
44:00What do you do, for example, if you don't have success,
44:03or what if you, with our help, find someone
44:06and it's not the dream you think it's going to be?
44:08It'll be closure either way.
44:10Oh, no, then.
44:12And I won't be chasing something that's not there.
44:15So this is massive, you go into this with your eyes open?
44:18Yeah. Promise me? Yeah.
44:20I've got a letter from him.
44:26Found him.
44:29Hi, Wendy, it's Aubrey. I believe I may be your dad,
44:32but please will you understand why I've asked for a DNA test?
44:36It's only come to light that you exist very recently.
44:39I'm sure you have questions. I'll give you whatever answers.
44:42I want to meet you, but I want to know the truth first.
44:45It's a process. Are you all right with that? Uh-huh.
44:48So, we did a DNA test because that was his request.
44:52Uh-huh.
44:55So the man I found, that envelope will tell you whether he's you,
44:58probably or not.
45:04Really?
45:07They're the worst envelopes. Do you know what? Honestly, I swear to God.
45:17It's...
45:19APPLAUSE
45:25CHEERING
45:36He's here. I knew you were going to say that.
45:38You knew I was going to say that.
45:40I'm a what?
45:42He doesn't know yet, though. That's not the way we can do it.
45:45He doesn't know that you're his daughter, so I need to go...
45:49She just called me a terrible name and I've been... I'm helping you.
45:52Just need to go and tell him and then I'll bring him out, all right? OK.
45:55Happy? Yes. Oh, bless your heart.
45:57APPLAUSE
46:09Aubrey, how are you? Hello.
46:11Nice to meet you.
46:13This was a bolt from the blue?
46:15A bolt from the blue, yes, definitely.
46:17How do you feel about the possibility?
46:20Shell-shocked.
46:22She's your wife? Yes.
46:24Are you excited?
46:26I don't know what I am at the moment. She's your daughter.
46:29OK. Come with me.
46:31We'll see you in a minute, all right? Come with me, you all right?
46:33This woman, 44 years, was led to believe something different.
46:36We're going to go this way.
46:38Are you ready, Wendy?
46:40This, after 44 years, is your dad, Aubrey.
46:43Go, go.
46:45APPLAUSE
46:50CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
47:06Oh, God.
47:10APPLAUSE
47:15You've called me a terrible name.
47:19We don't need to go into details.
47:21We'll help you with that offstage.
47:23But one thing I want to say to help both of you.
47:26She had no idea, and he had no idea.
47:28I had no idea.
47:30And the way he's been since we were contacting him...
47:34And I agree, absolutely, it's fundamentally the right thing to do,
47:37to do the DNA, and it's brilliant.
47:39Are you happy? Yes, thank you.
47:41Shocked, aren't you? Yes.
47:43Happy, what do you want to say to your daughter?
47:45I'm just shell-shocked.
47:48Give her a round of applause. Thank you, guys, you go that way.
47:51Very nice to meet you. Thank you. You all right?
47:53Really pleased with your daughter.
47:55Take your dad, there you go. Give him a round of applause.
47:57No, no, you go that way.
48:01Lovely way to end this morning.
48:02I'm out of time. If you want to be here, you need my help.
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48:06To the guests, to the audience and to you at home, thanks for watching.
48:08We'll see you very soon. Take care, bye-bye for now.
48:10CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
48:17This programme contains some strong language.