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The Jeremy Kyle Show (5 April 2018)
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00:10On today's show, Jess comes to this show because she's found out that potentially Charlie could be her brother.
00:17It transpires they're not full siblings with DNA.
00:19Since it's come back inconclusive, she feels like she has a chance.
00:22If they're not brother and sister, then she probably fancies him already.
00:26You say she's a chubby, fat little dog with a big mouth.
00:30CHEERING
00:33Have you seen yourself? Have you seen yourself?
00:36You came round to my house, you ate all my food.
00:39No. You have not given me my money.
00:41You've given him my bed.
00:43No.
00:44Is he chubby? No, he's not.
00:46He has, he has, he has.
00:51Go away and tell her I asked.
00:55Bye.
00:58He just left me, my little boy.
01:00How long were you apart from him for?
01:02Just over 11, 11 weeks.
01:04What happened in those 11 weeks?
01:06Oh, well, I just, I slept her out.
01:09How many people did you sleep with?
01:11Seven.
01:16CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
01:25CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
01:31Happy birthday. Happy birthday.
01:34Hello, my friends. Good morning and a big, big welcome to the show.
01:37Right, now, you might just recognise these guests,
01:39Charlie and Jess, from a previous encounter.
01:42Concentrate. Take a look at this.
01:46You've taken a complete stranger into your house
01:49under the premise in your head that this person could be related to you
01:52in some way. Yeah.
01:53Is that not... And I'm not being... Is that not dangerous?
01:56No, because... Is that not a bit...?
01:58I've been told all my life that he was my half-brother.
02:02Huge bond. Yeah.
02:03Kids call him Uncle Charlie.
02:05He's decorated your house.
02:07I have to ask you this.
02:09Is that responsible? What if he's not?
02:12If he's not, I was...
02:13What if your kids have met a complete stranger?
02:15If he's not, I was still classed him as a brother no matter what
02:18because I've built that bond with him.
02:20Has it been really nice for me to find somebody who supports me?
02:24Yeah.
02:25What does this mean to you today?
02:27It means a lot. Like, if she is my sister, even better.
02:31The DNA test results show that Jess and Charlie...
02:35..you're not full siblings.
02:39Sorry.
02:41You're not full siblings.
02:43Furthermore, and...
02:46..sometimes I don't like this job but I want you to wait and listen.
02:49We then tested the probability
02:51of whether or not you two are half-siblings
02:53and the results are inconclusive.
02:55Devastation, right?
02:57Yeah.
02:59I was still classed him as my brother, though.
03:03So the DNA test results were inconclusive.
03:06They could still be potential siblings, more of that.
03:09But now they're at Loghead's.
03:10My first guest this morning is Georgina,
03:12who is the current girlfriend of Charlie
03:14who claims that Jess is in love with him and wants him for herself.
03:17Georgina says that Jess is so obsessed,
03:19haven't even started, with her possible brother.
03:22Check this, she calls him up to 50 times a day.
03:27She did move him into the house without knowing.
03:30Does she have feelings?
03:31Georgina says, I'm here to tell her that.
03:33Jess, do one, love, he's mine.
03:35Georgina's on The Jeremy Carr Show. That way.
03:43Just saying. How are you?
03:45I'm good, thank you.
03:46Now, I'm going to say something now,
03:48which might not go down too well.
03:50When we... Shut up.
03:52When we did that, I did think in my head, totally straight,
03:56this woman's invited this man to live with her
03:59before she knows anything, right?
04:01He's decorated her house, everything's fine.
04:03And I just looked and I thought, this is quite a close relationship.
04:07How long have you been with him?
04:09On and off for about a year.
04:11Right. Roughly a year.
04:12So were you aware that he potentially,
04:15it turned out it was inconclusive, but potentially...
04:17Be quiet, woman!
04:19Jeez!
04:20She's going to the point where I don't even speak now.
04:23You reckon she wants him, why?
04:25Because she's weird about him. She calls him 46 times a day.
04:28Like, if you're not...
04:29Why would you ring them that many times?
04:31All to... 50.
04:32Around about 46.
04:33Whoever wrote 50 was wrong by four.
04:35Bear that in mind.
04:36You've been with him, so have you been...
04:38Cos he's been living with her, have you been round there?
04:41Yeah, I've gone up to visit
04:43and the last time we were up there, she was really funny towards me.
04:47We were going out for a meal, we'd got back,
04:49but before we'd come home, she'd text him to say,
04:51we need to talk when you're back.
04:53And me being me, I thought that was about me.
04:55And then he went into the kitchen to talk to her
04:57and she said, I'll talk to you when she's gone.
04:59As in, like, making out.
05:01You say she's a chubby...
05:04She's a chubby, fat little dog with a big mouth.
05:07CHEERING
05:11Have you seen yourself?
05:13Have you seen yourself? Yeah.
05:15Sorry, I know nobody lives here.
05:17Could you go away until I tell you to come out?
05:19You're a little fat dog.
05:20How long do you afford your new dress when you've spent money on a queen?
05:23Since I was pregnant. Oh, really? Yes, I have.
05:25And if you ask my partner, I've had it since I was...
05:27In fact, I had it when I was pregnant in my old age.
05:29Good. Bye, sweetie. Sorry.
05:30So, you know what? You're a... joke. See you.
05:32You are. You're a... joke, Georgie.
05:34Bye. You're the one...
05:36You're the one who...
05:38CHEERING
05:41You have no choice to speak.
05:44Who are you?
05:45Get off! Get off!
05:47You're a... What?
05:48You're a... You're both...
05:50APPLAUSE
05:54And when I thought last time we did it, it was meant to be nice.
05:57Let me just recap.
05:58So, Jess comes to this show because she's found out
06:01that potentially Charlie could be her brother.
06:03It transpires they're not full siblings with DNA.
06:06Inconclusive on sibling...
06:08Half still work to be done if we can get any more leads.
06:12Since then, you say, painfully obvious, her motives are that she wants him.
06:16Yeah, I feel like since it's come back inconclusive,
06:18she feels like she has a chance.
06:19Cos if they're not brother and sister, then she probably fancies him already.
06:22Does he admit? Does he...? Shut up!
06:26And you say now that...
06:28Now, are you green or white? Cos nobody... I'm green.
06:31So, she says, you'd better keep your missus on a lead.
06:33That was apparently Fraser.
06:34Otherwise, me and you will fall out and I don't want that to happen.
06:37Oh, sweet eyes, Georgina.
06:38I could ruin your lives if I wanted to, so please just go away.
06:41Yeah. So, you're in love with him, you're happy with him.
06:44Who, Charlie? Yes.
06:45Yeah, yeah. Well, not Steve.
06:47But you're in love with Charlie and actually, shut up!
06:51Charlie, right?
06:53And you were agreed on.
06:54This woman is obsessive, it's over the top.
06:57Frankly, I'm... Is he not living with her now?
06:59No, he's come back with me and that's where it all kicked off.
07:02Because she said...
07:03So, you think, given a chance that she would have him,
07:05she's jealous of you, yeah?
07:07She says you're a manipulative, controlling, rude, fat old hag,
07:12is basically what she said.
07:13So, this will go well.
07:14Chess is on the Jeremy Carr showdown.
07:22I absolutely cannot believe you, Georgina.
07:25You came round to my house, you ate all my food.
07:28You have not given me a penny.
07:30No.
07:31You know that you've done everything.
07:32No.
07:33You was even in my bed.
07:34No.
07:37Even when you was on your rag.
07:40In my bed.
07:41Both of them isn't true.
07:42As in for calling me a fat whatever you called me?
07:46Well, I'll repeat it.
07:47A fat little dog with a big mouth.
07:51You're the one who's going back into his lab.
07:53I only invited you round for a couple of days.
07:56But they've been going out for a year.
07:58You didn't specify how long I could stay for.
08:00No, it actually turns out he has been messaging...
08:03Jess, welcome back to the show.
08:04Last time I saw you, you were crying your eyes out
08:06because this bloke, fair enough, that you felt was related to you,
08:09it transpired to date with what we've been able to do.
08:12He's not.
08:13Can I ask you a question?
08:14I did leave the stage that day thinking,
08:16and I'm going to be completely honest because I said it
08:18to a couple of the people who work with us,
08:20that actually it was quite weird for somebody
08:22to ask a complete stranger who'd been living in a car
08:25to live in their house in a matter of hours.
08:28Because I'm that kind of person.
08:30Because you want him for yourself.
08:32No, I don't.
08:33No, she wants his money.
08:34Why are you chasing him?
08:35I want his money. I want his money, I do.
08:37Why did he owe you £800, Jess, when he spent it on your flat?
08:40Why?
08:41Why?
08:42I only said that because at the end of the day,
08:44he's been living there for rent-free.
08:46That is a load of...
08:47Because you didn't ask him for rent.
08:49He decorated your flat, didn't he?
08:51He's done a very good job, hasn't he?
08:54That was when it all got stripped.
08:56Is this before?
08:57That was when it all got stripped
08:58and he plastered over where there was holes.
09:00Why are there holes in the bathroom wall?
09:02Because there was when I moved in.
09:03You didn't just walk around and punch him, did you?
09:05And he's done a good job there, hasn't he?
09:07He has, and do you know what?
09:08He's threatened to rip all my laminate up.
09:10He's threatened to come and re-...
09:12Even the toilet seat matches the colour of the wall.
09:14You have changed my brother.
09:16Can I...?
09:17Well, you see, you're still calling him your brother.
09:19I am, because in my eyes, I still class him as my brother.
09:22The problem is, he's dead to me.
09:25Why are you texting him 50 times a day?
09:28I wasn't texting him 50 times a day.
09:30I wasn't.
09:31Why?
09:32He didn't text half of the day.
09:33He didn't tell me where he was going,
09:34what time he'd be back.
09:35Why should he? He's an adult.
09:37Because, obviously, I like to lock my flat up at a certain time.
09:40Well, don't let him back in, then.
09:41I like to lock my flat up at a certain time
09:43because I've got my youngest living room.
09:45But you would say to him...
09:46When he's smoking weed, holding him, do you?
09:48I wasn't!
09:49I didn't want him to be gone!
09:51No, he doesn't!
09:52Smoking his...
09:53And my friends were with me to witness that.
09:55No, he doesn't!
09:56No, he doesn't!
09:57No, he doesn't!
09:58No, he doesn't!
09:59Unless he's smoking his...
10:00You told my team...
10:01Hello!
10:02Hello, Jeremy Kyle Show.
10:03You told my team,
10:04if he picks Georgina over me, we're done.
10:06Yes.
10:07But that's his girlfriend!
10:08Why are you putting him in that...?
10:09He's cheating on her.
10:10What?
10:11He was messaging on Saturday, last week...
10:13Who's cheating on her?
10:14..saying,
10:15I want to take you on holiday.
10:17I want to take you...
10:20Interestingly, you're accusing Fraser,
10:23Charlie of cheating on her,
10:25and you're accusing her boyfriend, Fraser...
10:27No, apparently we have.
10:28We haven't mentioned anything about her.
10:29But here's the interesting thing,
10:30they're next, both of these men, right?
10:32But both of them, both,
10:33have refused the lie detector right back.
10:36You went and had my children's name tattooed on you
10:38without my permission!
10:39You've agreed to it!
10:40You've agreed to it!
10:41You've agreed to it!
10:42You've agreed to it!
10:43Do you want to fight with him after you?
10:44No, I'm not going to touch him.
10:45I'm not going to touch him.
10:46Do you want to start with him after you?
10:48I wouldn't think of that.
10:49Don't tell him!
10:50I wouldn't go with that.
11:19CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
11:27Good evening, welcome back.
11:28Before the break, talking with Georgina and Jess.
11:30To recap that story, you were on the show some time ago, Jess.
11:33You said that from a young childhood,
11:35you'd known there was a brother potentially out there.
11:38You'd discovered via Facebook, Charlie.
11:41We'd brought you together.
11:42We did DNA on two fronts, full siblings, it was a no.
11:45Half siblings, it was inconclusive.
11:47Very upsetting.
11:48The next thing I hear is,
11:49this relationship seems to have gone to the wall.
11:52He's in a relationship with Georgina,
11:54has been for a year on and off.
11:55He was living with you very quickly.
11:57Yeah, he has.
11:58But what does it matter to you whether he has or not?
12:00I think you...
12:01Darling, I left the stage the other day thinking,
12:03she wants more than... I did!
12:04You don't...
12:05You're in love with this kid, aren't you?
12:07That's my brother, yeah.
12:09I love him to pieces.
12:10Well, then let him pick his own life and come home when he wants,
12:12or lock the door!
12:13CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
12:18No, no, no, Jess, Jess,
12:19you can't say to a bloke that you hope one day could be your brother,
12:23you can't go out with her, he can go out with whoever he wants,
12:26she'll go out with that.
12:27Yeah.
12:28I love him to pieces.
12:30Well, does that smoke dope?
12:31Yeah.
12:32Around your children?
12:34Why does that refuse to do a lie detector?
12:37Why does that...?
12:38He's with me 24-7.
12:39Oh, has he ever been violent to you?
12:41No, he hasn't.
12:42No.
12:43Right.
12:44He hasn't.
12:45Yeah.
12:46Sure he didn't get a Stanley knife out the other day?
12:48Did he? No, that's true, that's true.
12:50He had to wait till Charlie was on his own, we all heard you.
12:52Really?
12:53Anyway, isn't your brother at the moment?
12:55You say you don't want to be with him, but he's been with her a year,
12:58Charlie's on The Jeremy Carl Show, that works.
13:00CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
13:05What?
13:06What do you have to say about a big knife?
13:08Yeah, what have I got to say about it?
13:09Come on, you've been on my backstage.
13:11Georgina's nothing to do with it, you know what I mean?
13:13What? Georgina's nothing to do with it.
13:15But, yeah, she... Do you know what I mean?
13:17Georgina's nothing to do with it.
13:19When you were asked to move in to this girl's house
13:22and you didn't at that point... Shut up, seriously.
13:25When you moved in at a...
13:28I mean, an absolute quick speed, right?
13:32At any point then did you think,
13:35if this girl's not my sister,
13:37this doesn't feel right or I should move out?
13:40This is blown up in our faces, I didn't even know this was happening.
13:43Why are we out now? Come on, talk to me.
13:45I had thoughts about it.
13:46What, you think she wanted you?
13:48No, I thought, like, obviously she was my sister and stuff,
13:50and now, like, well, she's shown her true colours, hasn't she?
13:53What are her true colours?
13:54That she's a bit of a...
13:55I'm a bit of a...
13:57Oh, OK. All right.
13:59And Fraser, well... What about Fraser?
14:01I don't know where to go with Fraser.
14:02What about Fraser? What about Fraser?
14:04He's a druggie. No, he's not.
14:05He is. He asked me...
14:07I'm a druggie, innit?
14:09I'm a druggie, innit?
14:11Go away. Go away.
14:13Until I ask you.
14:15Fraser.
14:17I'm already back from my druggie, innit?
14:19Fraser.
14:21He keeps asking me to leave.
14:23Get it right, get it right.
14:25You said to me...
14:27Let him speak.
14:29You promised Fraser a ten-bag.
14:30Jess had a go at me, because apparently I promised Fraser
14:32a ten pound for a ten-bag when I got paid.
14:34Ten pound for a ten-bag.
14:35If I didn't get paid...
14:37Do you only get a five-bag if you get a fiver?
14:40No, they don't work like that.
14:41Steve, how much is a... Shut up!
14:43How much is a 15-bag?
14:45£15. £15, that's what we noticed.
14:47APPLAUSE
14:51Was there any point that you,
14:54in the ensuing days since you moved in,
14:56you got the information that you're not related,
14:58did you think that her behaviour to you
15:00was slightly obsessive?
15:0250 phone calls. Definitely, yeah.
15:03She was ringing me four or six times a day.
15:05She seemed jealous of Georgina.
15:08There's a reason why...
15:09I blocked her number and she was ringing me off no caller ID.
15:11There's a reason why, Charlie, because, like I said,
15:13you went and had my children's name tattooed on you
15:16without my permission.
15:17You've agreed to it.
15:19You've agreed to it.
15:21You moved in after three days, woman.
15:23You didn't even know who he was.
15:25APPLAUSE
15:27Anyway, maybe you are very nice,
15:29but to us, it strikes me that you're jealous of this girl.
15:33How am I jealous? I let her into my house.
15:35You're saying... You're saying...
15:37So, how am I jealous? ..pick between her and me,
15:39and you're not even damn well related to him.
15:41She's changed him. You shouldn't be with a man who takes drugs
15:44if you've got kids, should you?
15:46She's changed him.
15:47No, you don't even know him.
15:49Yeah, I did. She's changed him.
15:51You say that she's changed him, but you don't even...
15:53He was kind, he was loving, he was always there for me.
15:55Loving? Yeah.
15:57I've lost my...over you.
15:59Do you know what? You're...
16:00See you.
16:02Do you know what?
16:04What did he mean?
16:06I don't know what.
16:07To me, that doesn't hurt me, because I love that boy to bits.
16:10But you don't know him.
16:12This is what I don't understand.
16:14He could still be your brother, I make that point again.
16:17But how can you possibly... How long have you known him?
16:20Well, two months, I think it is, two or three months.
16:23Three months, and I love that boy?
16:25Do you not think that sounds...
16:27Do you not think that sounds a bit weird?
16:29No, I don't know why, because...
16:32And you want to treat me like...
16:34You can come and talk to him, you stay there and chill down.
16:37This is Fraser on the Jeremy Carr Show, this way.
16:43No, I'm not going to kick him, I'm not going to kick him.
16:45You start running after him.
16:47You think you're being... You're the one that beats up women.
16:49You grabbed Jess by the throat. She came crying to me the other week.
16:52She came crying to me while I was decorating Little Man's room.
16:55Saying that you grabbed her by the throat. You left a mark.
16:57Prove it. The police got caught. Prove it.
16:59We didn't give a statement to keep you out.
17:01You sure? You are quite aggressive, aren't you?
17:03You sure you didn't get her by the throat?
17:05You're sure the police... Sit down now.
17:07I didn't get aggressive, though, did I?
17:09You came to get us off your porch because we were picking up...
17:12Stanley knife, did you?
17:14You didn't do anything, did you?
17:16He saw it. He saw the yellow Stanley knife.
17:18Prove it. Right, a Stanley knife...
17:20Is that what you say? Prove it, yeah?
17:22Prove I was it. I was it.
17:24I can't understand what you're saying.
17:26Yeah, Charlie, I can't understand you, mate, all the time.
17:29I speak clearly, mate. Do you?
17:31Charlie might think that Charlie and Georgina think they're better than you.
17:35Yeah, they do. They think they're all it.
17:37Because we've both got jobs, Jeremy. We've both got jobs.
17:39We don't smoke drugs.
17:41Yes, you do. Yes, you do.
17:43Yes, you do.
17:45No, we mean you do.
17:47I had the odd split with y'all. Odd split?
17:49I don't think I stoned you all the time.
17:51I don't spend my money on drugs.
17:53Why are you with them?
17:55Shut up, shut up, shut up. Did he get you by the throat?
17:57Yeah. No. Yes, he did, didn't he?
17:59No. Did he take out a Stanley knife?
18:01No. Don't lie to somebody.
18:03He phoned Arm Please the other night saying that he had a crowbar,
18:06a Stanley blade, and it happened to his throat.
18:08Do you think any of this is good in terms of the fact you've got young kids?
18:11No, it doesn't. And all of this has come about for two reasons,
18:13and you won't like this. One, you meet somebody off the Internet
18:16and move them into your house without knowing them,
18:18and the other, you think it's OK as a young mother
18:20to have that in your children's lives.
18:23That is like... I don't think it's bad.
18:26He has changed since he's been here.
18:28Why do you refuse to take a lie detector?
18:30Why? Because... Why do people like you go,
18:32why? Yes, why, you donut? Why didn't you do it?
18:35Why? Because I'm with my missus 24...
18:37What did you just say?
18:39I am with my missus 24...
18:41Like, I go shopping with my little boy.
18:43So how...
18:45A father of your kids. One of them.
18:47Let's turn it round, as we always try and do.
18:49Let's take this side for a sec, although I will struggle.
18:52You get contacted by Jess.
18:56You are at that point, apparently, living in a car.
18:59Now, if... No, no, no, hold on a second.
19:01If this... No, no, no, hold on a second.
19:03You can do better than that.
19:05It's not because of me, actually.
19:07Jess, Jess, I'm helping you a minute, hear me out.
19:10You sit there and you go,
19:12I don't smoke drugs, don't say a word, I work.
19:15Firstly, my friend, what are you doing living in a car
19:18if you're apparently sorted,
19:20B and 2, why were you in a car if your relationship was OK with her,
19:23but perhaps more importantly, C and 3,
19:26you jumped at the chance to live with this girl
19:28and you have to answer those three questions
19:30because however obsessive she might appear to be,
19:33you welcome this with open arms.
19:36You do.
19:38Let him answer, let him answer, Jess, because it's important.
19:41Answer that. Why?
19:43Maybe she was a girl who was looking for her brother
19:45and you could be accused by certain people
19:47and take the advantage of that.
19:49See, I was in my car, so I said, I'll come down and see you all.
19:52I weren't intending on staying,
19:54but when she found out my stuff was in my car
19:56and I was living out my car...
19:58But where was your girlfriend?
20:00Maybe she is, maybe I'm wrong...
20:02Hello, stop, stop it!
20:04Maybe she's just a nice girl, I don't know,
20:06but she invited you into her house.
20:08To take him in, to introduce him to my family.
20:10Jess, Jess, Jess, I'm with you on this.
20:12Did you not, as his girlfriend, think it weird
20:14that he moved in with this other woman within a matter of hours?
20:17You told us last time, it was hours.
20:19Did you not, whether you were on or off,
20:21did you not think that's a bit weird? He did, didn't you?
20:23Yeah, I did, yeah. We weren't talking at this point.
20:25I thought so, did you? Exactly.
20:27So there you are, you weren't talking, so what,
20:29you jumped to the next bird that said here's a room?
20:31I wouldn't stick with that. I wouldn't go with that.
20:33You... Oh, hang on a minute, I will stick with that.
20:35You took advantage... Hold on.
20:37You took advantage of her house, though,
20:39and her hospitality, didn't you? Are you talking like a muck?
20:41You are, you've treated me like a muck.
20:43But how is that when he runs you around everywhere?
20:45He finds you good when you have nothing.
20:47You're not having your car, you're staying with me
20:49until you get yourself some... Fraser, Fraser, Fraser.
20:51I know you think I don't like you, but you're wrong.
20:53Hold on a second, I had a go at him.
20:55I had a go at him for reasons that I've had a go at him about, right?
20:58Hold on a second, you refused to do a lie detector test.
21:00I did, yeah. I'm not. I'll tell you why.
21:02Georgina, trust me... Were you treating on each other?
21:04The girl in question that I was messaging,
21:06I was messaging her, while me and Georgina...
21:08Why wouldn't you do a test and then they didn't show you
21:10a potential half-not together system?
21:12I've now turned around to Georgina, in front of Georgina,
21:14when she said it on the phone, I said,
21:16you know what, Georgina, I ain't going to lie to you.
21:18I said, I'll tell you the truth. I said, I was messaging her.
21:20Here's my phone, here's the messages.
21:22And you've been messaging other blokes as well, because you told me...
21:25I would like to say, I've just tried to steer a middle course,
21:28but you've just... Why does it matter to you what they're doing, darling?
21:32APPLAUSE
21:34No, I'm not. No, I'm not.
21:38If anything, you two seem to be obsessed with my kids.
21:41You're the ones that are always picking them up.
21:43You're the one that asked... Why would you allow them to...
21:46You were always over there.
21:48Can I make a suggestion?
21:50Yes, I've got... That's the one that he's...
21:52That's what you said!
21:54You said...
21:56Can I make a suggestion?
21:58Whatever the rights and wrongs of this story,
22:00we did, from your point of view, and I've said my piece,
22:03are you overly kind?
22:05Was it obsessive? Was it irresponsible?
22:08You talked about the way that you felt.
22:10The weeds you've got to do something about, mate,
22:12and we'll help you with that, because if you don't,
22:14you won't get a job and you won't be a good dad,
22:16and take that as it's meant, right?
22:18I know that, though. I know that.
22:20APPLAUSE
22:22That girl...
22:23The bird you weren't with, when you accepted her hospitality,
22:27hear me out, it was quick, but you could be accused of that.
22:30You've shown a bit of yourself this morning.
22:32Why the hell are you two picking up the kids?
22:34Do you know what? I do know this, because we were talking about this
22:37and we've tried to find other family members,
22:39we've tried to extensify how we were going to do this DNA
22:42to see if it was half-siblings. We can't do that.
22:44Quite seriously, I will say one thing to you all.
22:46You should delete each other's numbers and stay out of each other's...
22:49APPLAUSE
22:53A lot of people who watch this, yes, they say to me,
22:55oh, you're very cynical about Facebook,
22:57and actually one of the good things about Facebook
22:59is that actually so many people manage to find siblings
23:02and family members from horrible situations,
23:05but this is also a warning, this story,
23:07and I'm not having a go at anybody, I'm saying it.
23:09If you think there's a link, until you have definitive proof,
23:12and we could not provide that for you,
23:15getting involved, moving in, children, tattoos, whatever it is,
23:20it's too intense and it causes what we're seeing today.
23:23I suggest, unless all of you want to get into trouble with the law
23:26or kids or whatever, that you two literally go in one direction,
23:29you go in the other, and you stay out of each other's lives.
23:31Get out of here, give me a round of applause.
23:33CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
23:37I think that is a warning.
23:38Listen after the break, much more on the JK show.
23:40We'll be right back, don't go anywhere.
23:42As I was leaving the door, he said to me
23:44he'd rather touch himself than sleep with me.
23:46Sorry? He'd rather touch himself than sleep with me.
23:48What if he did more than kiss three women,
23:50seeing as how you had intercourse with seven men?
23:52You'll surely forgive him. No, I'm not.
23:55There's no trust, is there? No.
23:57Literally, like, every night I'm thinking about what's happened in Romania.
24:04CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
24:11Welcome back.
24:12My next guest today, Georgia, is here,
24:14desperate to find out if her boyfriend, Chris, finished with her,
24:17just so he could disappear to Romania to have sex with other women,
24:20like you do, cos that's what you do.
24:22I'm leaving you so I can go to Romania and have sex with other women.
24:25Apparently, back he came, they're together,
24:27but she wants him to take a lie detector.
24:29She says, if he fails, we're done.
24:31Jeremy Carr, show that way!
24:33CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
24:40Are you all right? Yeah. You look terrified.
24:42I'm just a little bit nervous. So am I.
24:44Welcome to the show, Georgia, 19, and Chris, 19.
24:47This is quite a lovely story, but also with a tinge of sadness,
24:50because how long have you been together?
24:52About three and a half years.
24:54You got together, and although today is make or break,
24:58and we'll talk about that in just a sec,
25:00let's hear the story about how you got together
25:02and how you built a life together.
25:04Basically, when we first met each other, we met in a park,
25:07cos I was just hanging around in the park with my mates.
25:09As you do! I was only young, though.
25:11And he was there with all his lad mates and everything.
25:14They just started whistling, called me over, got my number.
25:17We started talking. Was it love at first sight?
25:20Not really, no. Brilliant.
25:22We just... Not really like that.
25:24It's going to go really well, isn't it?
25:26We just started speaking and everything, just like normal people.
25:29We were more like best friends at the start.
25:31His family, obviously, were all Romanian.
25:33Obviously, I'm English kind of thing, so his mum...
25:35Obviously. You didn't have much together, did you?
25:38You were homeless at one point.
25:40Yeah, after... I fell pregnant really easy when I was 16.
25:44We were sort of sleeping on the streets.
25:46He was begging people in takeaway shops to feed me.
25:49And we just didn't have anything.
25:51How did you get to a point where, you know,
25:53before we talk about the problems, you ended up with a house,
25:55you have the baby, everything was good.
25:57Was it just graft? How did you do it?
25:59We just had to work. We just... I don't know.
26:01We just did it in the end. It was really, really hard.
26:03Sometimes I used to cry to sleep thinking,
26:05like, is my little boy going to get taken off me?
26:08And, I don't know, we were sleeping rough
26:10and my neighbour had to bring duvet sets and everything over to help me.
26:13But you got to a point where you've got a house,
26:15you've got your baby, you've got your man,
26:17and now you're on the Jeremy Cole Show saying,
26:19did you run away to Romania and have sex with other women?
26:21Yeah, because... This story's quite upsetting.
26:23How did it start to go wrong?
26:25We just started arguing about money problems and everything,
26:27because when my little boy was born, obviously,
26:29he was going into nursery, I was doing a waitressing job,
26:31he was doing construction.
26:33We were both working and everything and we just started arguing a lot
26:35and it was really hard work because I had my little boy on my own
26:37pretty much all the time because he's walked out quite a few times.
26:40We were living in just caravans, hostels, floors, everything.
26:44And then when we finally got our house,
26:46it was the most happiest thing in the whole entire world.
26:48Like, literally, I couldn't believe I had a house.
26:50And we just started arguing a lot.
26:53It got really stressful. I said things that I didn't mean.
26:56What?
26:57One time I was on the way to work,
26:59he used to call me fat and ugly all the time after I had my kid.
27:02Obviously, I felt really insecure after having my little boy.
27:05And I had loads of stretch marks and everything,
27:07so obviously I felt like...
27:09I love your honesty.
27:11I love your honesty.
27:16I was walking to work one day, just as I was leaving the door,
27:19he said to me he'd rather touch himself than sleep with me.
27:22Sorry?
27:23He'd rather touch himself than sleep with me.
27:25Oh.
27:26So I thought, right, OK, so obviously I was upset
27:28and he was calling me ugly as I was going out the door.
27:30That's nice, call your girlfriend who's given birth to your baby ugly.
27:32That's really nice, isn't it?
27:33So I said, OK, go on then, go touch yourself, I'm off to work.
27:36I was on the way to work, obviously.
27:38I'm not really the sort of person that...
27:40Have you ever stopped and wondered how many times you say obviously in five minutes?
27:43I don't know. I don't know, I'm just nervous.
27:45You're doing great, carry on.
27:46And, yeah, I was walking to work, I was crying and everything,
27:49and then I just texted him something really horrible
27:51and obviously that's why I made a statement.
27:53Slow down! What did you say?
27:55I said that I'm glad I cheated on you.
27:59Because I wanted to hurt him because he hurt me.
28:02And everything that I said to him, I could call him anything, nothing bothered him,
28:05he just started laughing all the time, saying cheers and everything, obviously.
28:08For me, it made me cry.
28:09It made it worse, didn't it, what you said?
28:11Yeah, so I thought, on the way to work, it's obviously topped everything up.
28:15The next day my boy was in hospital because he had asthma.
28:19We were in hospital for three days, he was going to get his air cut,
28:22he was going for a McDonald's, and I was just...
28:25Who was, the little boy?
28:26No, Chris.
28:28And we didn't know anything that was wrong with him,
28:30we had people running in and out of the hospital.
28:32I was so knackered, my mum had to come down and obviously help me with my little boy.
28:36He was off for about three hours straight
28:38and then said a group of lads from our town chased him.
28:40We've seen the people in the streets,
28:42they've never come up to him or me or said anything,
28:44so I don't actually know where he was.
28:46Then he was panning on my tablet when I was asleep in the hospital
28:49to do a runner to go back to Romania.
28:52I checked all the history, the next day he asked me to buy him locks,
28:55I bought him locks, I said, what do you want them for?
28:57He just said, after my bike, I said, OK, there you go, go get some.
29:01He wanted them for his suitcase to do his runner.
29:04And then he just left me with my little boy.
29:07He disappeared to Romania? Yeah.
29:09How long were you apart from him for?
29:11Just over 11 weeks.
29:13What happened in those 11 weeks?
29:15Well, I just... I slept her out.
29:17I slept about with people cos I wanted to be loved, I felt betrayed.
29:20How many people did you sleep with?
29:22Seven.
29:24Yeah, I did. Seven? Yeah, I did.
29:28Now, when he came back, actually, while he was out there,
29:32he heard rumours that you were sleeping around
29:34and he sent you a picture. What was the picture?
29:37Yeah, well, one night I was sat on the sofa,
29:40he sent me a picture of him and this girl.
29:42I literally just put my little boy to bed,
29:44I just kept saying dada all the time.
29:46I tried to, do you know what I mean, cut it out.
29:48And he just sent me a picture of him and this girl.
29:51She was obviously Romanian.
29:53She sort of had her top pulled up kind of thing,
29:55he had her arm round her, they were in a bedroom,
29:57the bed was all scruffed up in the back.
29:59And then he texted me saying, oh, I was about the messy bed.
30:02So I said, right, OK.
30:04He said, I made that up, I only ever kissed three women, right?
30:08You said, oh.
30:10Oh, dear, I've slept with seven men.
30:13He now can't live with the fact you've slept with seven men
30:15and you think there was more.
30:17He's come to do a lie detector to say it was only three...
30:19Did you do a lie detector as well? Yeah, yeah.
30:21Have you slept with more than seven? No, no.
30:23Are you sure? 100%.
30:24It's very honest, though, isn't it? Most people go,
30:26oh, one, two, seven, done, fantastic.
30:27No, because to be honest with you, if I was lying about sleeping
30:29with seven people, I would not...
30:30What if he did more than kiss three women,
30:32seeing as how you had intercourse with seven men?
30:34You'll surely forgive him. No, I'm not.
30:36I know what I did was wrong, but before we actually got back together,
30:39I swore on everything that I've got, which is my little boy,
30:41that I never, ever did anything else.
30:43He had the opportunity then to tell me what he did,
30:46because he wouldn't have lost me because he didn't have me.
30:48I find this really weird thing for this old git to say
30:51to somebody who's slept with seven men in 11 weeks.
30:54I really admire your morality somehow.
30:57Your honesty, your honesty.
31:00So, he's got a just-to-kiss-three-women.
31:04You will stick to seven any more and you're a single mum?
31:08Yeah, yeah. Are you back together now?
31:10Yeah, he's moved in with me, but what happened was...
31:12There's no trust, is there? No.
31:14Literally, like, every night I'm thinking about what's happened in Romania,
31:17but when I said him that... What do you think he's thinking?
31:19I know, I know, but I was honest, whereas I don't have a clue what's happened.
31:22If he'd come back and said I slept with seven women in Romania,
31:24would you have been all right with that?
31:26But if I would have slept with... Would you have been all right with that?
31:28Well, if I did it, then, yeah. Right.
31:30Because two rights don't make a wrong. All right.
31:32There's no passion at the moment, is there? Not really, no.
31:36Do you love him? Yeah. And you want it to work?
31:38Yeah, for my little boy. I love your honesty, Georgie.
31:40Thank you for that. Chris is on the Jeremy cast for that one.
31:51Chris, welcome to the show. Thank you. Thanks for coming on.
31:53I love this lady. We built a life together through hard work
31:56and we're in danger of messing it up. Of course, yes.
31:59Why did you leave?
32:01Well, what happened, right?
32:03It's not actually... This is actually not telling the full story,
32:06so what happened, me and her kept arguing.
32:08We were even arguing in the hospital.
32:10So I said, hang on a minute, this is getting a bit too much.
32:12Too much stress is building up.
32:14We kept arguing constantly and constantly.
32:16Before I left, before I was going to pack my things,
32:18she turned around and said to me, on the way out to go to work,
32:21she turned around and said to me, I've cheated on you.
32:23So she didn't actually mention that. Because what you said.
32:25Yeah, she did mention that. I did mention that. Right.
32:27And then you said you'd rather play with yourself than sleep with her.
32:30That was before that, no? She turned around and said to me,
32:32I've cheated on you. Then I sent a text on the way to work
32:35Have you cheated on her? No, not at all.
32:37You basically left because she said she'd cheated,
32:39you had a son with this woman.
32:41So I said, hang on a minute, I'm working too much for this.
32:43What, is it just me going to start struggling for this?
32:45What's the point of it?
32:47The thing is, though...
32:49Do you ever talk to each other any more or do you just talk over?
32:51He doesn't open up, really. Talk to him now.
32:53Never. He wants me to go to Romania in January and holiday with him.
32:56I can't see myself walking around Romania.
32:58Him speaking his language, if I don't have a clue what's going on.
33:01He's had loads of people from Romania suspiciously call him.
33:04He answers the phone.
33:06You know what I do, translating, so that's why people call me.
33:08And he doesn't tell me what's going on, he only tells me what he wants to say.
33:11What is going on? Surely in 11 weeks you did more than kiss three women.
33:14He sent the picture of the bed with the muffled sheets.
33:16And then he told me that apparently...
33:18He's told you that he slept with three, but he told me and Mia it was four.
33:21And then he told me it was five this morning.
33:23No, I never said five, Georgia, hang on a minute.
33:25You're talking about kissing? Yeah, he told me four people.
33:28And now you're saying three? I thought it was three.
33:30You just told me three. Whoever wrote these notes is rubbish.
33:32Georgia, why are you making lies all...
33:34Chris, you just said three in front of the whole audience.
33:36No, yes, three. Did he or did he not just say three?
33:38Three in January, and then one before that.
33:40And then you know that, and that's someone before January.
33:42So you kissed somebody before you went to Romania?
33:44Yes, when she actually got f***ed by a bloke.
33:47So hang on a minute.
33:49You see, she doesn't say the full story to everything.
33:51I've wrote it down on my notes, no one's asked me.
33:53I had sexual intercourse with two people, he kissed some girl in a club.
33:56This was between the three years.
33:58Kissing, so actually sexual intercourse is something, it's different.
34:00Yeah, all right, Chris, you don't need to go into detail in front of everyone.
34:02Well, there you go, then. Well, tell the truth.
34:04Yeah, all right, they don't need to know what I'm going to say.
34:06You're making me look bad when I actually hang on a minute.
34:08I've been honest and tell the truth about everything.
34:10All right, well, we'll see then, won't we?
34:12Because I don't believe that a guy who's 19 years old, for 11 weeks,
34:14he sends me loads of abusive texts, he sends me a picture of some girl...
34:16What, maybe because I was jealous?
34:18He's never met this girl in his life.
34:20Or maybe because I love you that bloody much and I have a kid with you.
34:22All right, let me speak.
34:24He sends me a picture of this girl that he's never met in his life
34:26and he says to this girl,
34:28can we take a picture just to wind the ex up?
34:30No, she's got brains, who would do that?
34:32Well, I didn't tell her that.
34:34I actually said to myself, that's why I screwed with her face off.
34:36Right, OK. You love him?
34:38Yeah, I do love him, but I just...
34:40You have slept with seven men, though, how do you feel about that?
34:42Yeah, I don't know what to say.
34:44But he had a chance, then, to take me back to normal.
34:46I know you've got... Listen, I've given you a chance.
34:48There must be a part of you.
34:50For a man who decided to disappear to Romania
34:52How does that make you feel?
34:54Do you think the relationship could ever work, irrespective of this?
34:56Well, do you know what? Be honest.
34:58Before coming to the show, she turned around and said to me,
35:00I even asked her this morning,
35:02and the story changed to seven.
35:04So, that is a bit...
35:06So, you've kissed not three, but four.
35:08How many people have you had sex with?
35:10Seven.
35:12And that's when you were 11... In 11 weeks, Will,
35:14that's more than you and your...
35:16So, you're both doing a lie detector.
35:18You just say, I've slept with no more than seven.
35:20You've kissed no more than four. I get it.
35:22Let me... Questions, are we right? Who are we starting with?
35:24You can start with me. I'm going to start with you, Georgia.
35:26What? You can start with me, if you like.
35:28No, I'm starting with her. Ladies first, as they say.
35:30Right. Georgia, an admission.
35:32At the start of the test, she admitted that she had
35:34sexual contact with two men on separate occasions
35:36on a short break from Chris.
35:38She also admits to sexual intercourse with seven other men
35:40during their break from January to April this year.
35:42Is that right? You OK with that?
35:44Yeah.
35:46We asked Georgia, since the start of your relationship with Chris,
35:48have you admitted to if you had sexual intercourse
35:50with anyone else? She said no, cos your girlfriend
35:52was telling the truth, mate.
35:54CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
35:58Since the start of your relationship with Chris,
36:00have you admitted to if you had sexual contact
36:02with anyone else? She said no.
36:04She was telling the truth on every single question.
36:06CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
36:08Hold on a minute, hold on a minute.
36:10Hold on, hold on.
36:12You did...
36:14You did have sex with seven people. Yeah, I did.
36:16And the two before was when you were on break as well.
36:18So she was good to a word, and to be fair to her,
36:20she was honest to you,
36:22whereas you weren't. Your reaction?
36:24Well, she was telling the truth, so...
36:26I've loved framing this.
36:28Oh, yeah? Yeah.
36:30Right, at the start of the test,
36:32Chris admitted to kissing four women.
36:34However, he claimed
36:36all this happened during the breaks in the relationship.
36:38He also admitted touching one of these women
36:40on the bottom. You didn't tell me that.
36:42Well, you're not like that one in the club, Georgia.
36:44Come on. Another he grinded
36:46on a bed. You know this.
36:48You didn't tell me that, you liar.
36:50Touched and kissed her breast.
36:52You know this.
36:54However, they remained clothed.
36:56Therefore, we change the question to...
36:58So who was it you grinded on the bed? In Romania?
37:00No, when I came back in the UK. Who was it?
37:02Who did you grind on the bed? That's me.
37:04The big fat one, yeah? And you call me fat.
37:06Um, he admitted to touching
37:08one of these women on the bum.
37:10Another he grinded on a bed.
37:12And then he touched and kissed
37:14her breast. However, they remained clothed.
37:16You didn't tell me this. So how can you kiss a breast
37:18with her clothes on?
37:20Uh, I'll show you. I'll show you.
37:22I'll show you.
37:24APPLAUSE
37:32You didn't tell me any of this.
37:34No, you didn't. No, you didn't.
37:36Go on, then. Off we go.
37:38Since the start of your relationship with Georgia,
37:40apart from what you've just admitted to,
37:42have you passionately kissed anyone else?
37:44Chris said no. Why do you say no?
37:46Because I don't tell the truth.
37:48Your boyfriend's a liar.
37:50Since the start of your relationship with Georgia,
37:52apart from what you've just admitted to,
37:54have you had sexual contact with anyone else?
37:56He said no. This test says he lied on that.
37:58In fact, I don't want to upset you.
38:00He lied on every single question.
38:02Why don't you get out there and tell her the truth?
38:04Can I redo it? What do you mean, redo what?
38:06Get out there and tell her the truth.
38:09Can you redo it?
38:11What do you mean, can you redo it?
38:13Honestly, Georgia, it's not true. I knew it.
38:15I knew it. I know I've slept with seven people,
38:17but all I wanted to do was be loved.
38:19I've never slept with anyone. Yeah.
38:21I've never slept with anyone. So you kiss someone's boobs
38:23and you don't sleep with them? I didn't sleep with...
38:25No, you take a picture of somebody in a bed and you don't have sex with them.
38:28You are a liar! No, I'm not a liar. We're done!
38:30How are we done? I don't know. You said there were seven people.
38:32We're done! You said there were seven people.
38:34You said you were going to tell me the truth. I didn't.
38:36Who is it? Tell me. I haven't slept with anybody.
38:38Tell me. I haven't slept with anybody. We're done.
38:40We're done. I'm walking with my boy.
38:42You walk with your... You walk with your...
38:44Can I help you out here?
38:46Can you not... Can you do me a favour?
38:50No, cos I'm not... We are done.
38:52I'm not shouting at you. We're done. You liar!
38:54How am I a liar? When you're the one who slept with seven people,
38:56Georgia, for God's sake... Now twist it. Go on.
38:58You had the chance to tell the truth. Let me tell you the truth.
39:00Yeah, yeah. OK, so this is lying, yeah?
39:02We took into consideration the grinding,
39:04the touching of the bottom and the kissing of the breasts,
39:06and you still failed the test. That's right.
39:08Which, if you are intelligent enough to shut your mouth
39:10and listen to me a minute, I'll help you. Go on, then.
39:12Yeah, it wasn't great what she did, but at least she fronted it out.
39:14You did the classic, which is,
39:16if I tell a little bit, will I get away with it?
39:18Something else happens. So why don't you,
39:20considering you've got a kid with this nice lady,
39:22why don't you grow a pair, right,
39:24and tell her the truth? Go on.
39:26Nice of you.
39:28Look, I promise you...
39:30I promise you, I'm going to tell her.
39:32You keep saying, sorry,
39:34I haven't slept with anybody, so something else happened, didn't it?
39:36I'll tell you what it is.
39:38I'll tell you what it is.
39:40Right, so when I...
39:42No, not me. When I started getting off with that girl...
39:44What girl? Names?
39:46Yeah, the big one, yeah? Yeah, OK, the big one.
39:48Yeah, I don't know what you're laughing for, mate, we're done.
39:50We got off, OK, we was in bed, both of us.
39:52What bed? Who's yours? Because apparently you didn't do any...
39:54Carry on, yeah? Right, and we started
39:56getting on top of each other.
39:58You didn't tell me any of this, so you're going to sit here
40:00on national TV and tell me you told me that you were...
40:02LAUGHTER
40:04I told you this, yeah. Yes, I did.
40:06..on My Boy's Life, and I don't swear on that boy's life,
40:08no, no, no. Everything I have,
40:10he's never told me this. I have told you.
40:12You haven't told any of the producers, nobody in your notes,
40:14nothing, you are nothing but a liar.
40:16And do you know something? I could be so much better than you.
40:18CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
40:20When you sleep with seven people...
40:22Now try to twist it, go on. At least I can sit here
40:24on national TV and say I've slept with seven people
40:26and I feel nothing but...
40:28But you, you haven't even got the...
40:30to even admit that you've slept with one person.
40:32CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
40:34We'll do it, we'll get it done.
40:36No, no, no, no, we're not going private.
40:38Me and you are done.
40:40I've slept with seven people, yeah, we'll go over it again.
40:42I've told the truth. You said six to me.
40:44You went away for ten weeks. You said six to me.
40:46Six, seven, there's seven people I've...
40:48He's gone away for ten weeks. Can I tell you something?
40:50Can I tell you something in life, right? Sit here and do this
40:52almost every day. But do you know something? A lot of people...
40:54I know so much that he could sit there and lie to me.
40:56That's what happens in life. Look at me. How old are you?
40:5819. You are actually incredibly wise.
41:00There are a lot of people that will sit and say this
41:02and I don't even believe it, and within half an hour
41:04they'll be in a cab and everything's fine.
41:06You sit, you talk to him, that's absolutely fine.
41:08You weren't exemplary in your behaviour.
41:10If you're going to end this relationship
41:12based on just telling lies, that is absolutely your right.
41:14Can I suggest you argue long and hard
41:16to sit in a room with Graham
41:18and you suddenly get your brain working to admit it?
41:20Listen to me. Do it for your boy.
41:22You lose nothing for half an hour
41:24and then you can get in a cab, OK?
41:26Just sit with him and Graham.
41:28If it's over, it's over, but unemotionally
41:30away from the cameras and the lights and the people.
41:32Do that properly, yes? We're done.
41:34And if it is, and here's the last thing
41:36I'm going to say to you, guess what?
41:38If it is over and you're done,
41:40guess what you shouldn't do?
41:42Go sleep around. I'm not.
41:44Because you're worth more than that. I'm never ever going to do that again.
41:46Nice to meet you. Thanks very much indeed.
41:48Girls, spend some time with Graham.
41:50Have a chat, see whether Stan will let you know.
41:52And after the break, more from the Jeremy Carr show.
41:54Don't go anywhere. Right back.
41:56You went searching because you had no idea there was a potential brother out there.
41:58Yeah, I went straight to Facebook.
42:00You've never met, have you? No.
42:02If he is, what would that mean?
42:04It would mean everything to me.
42:0618 years, brought up in care,
42:08no family at all.
42:10The DNA tests show that
42:12Chloe and Lewis...
42:14Are DNA doubts ruining your relationship?
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42:46APPLAUSE
42:52Thank you very much.
42:54A warm welcome back.
42:56Chloe grew up in care and just a few weeks ago
42:58received the news out of the blue
43:00that she might have a brother out there somewhere.
43:02She managed to find out who she believes is her brother online.
43:04And today, with the help of us,
43:06DNA is going to tell her whether that is truthful or not.
43:08This girl is 18 years of age,
43:10had no idea. Massive day, very nervous. Chloe's on the Jeremy Carl show, that way.
43:23I say this almost every time now because I don't really have anything else I can ever
43:26think of. These really touch me, these stories, if they work out right. I feel so sorry for
43:32people to think that you've reached 18 and you don't know the truth about where you came
43:35from. Brought up in care? Yeah, it was hard. Was it? Yeah.
43:40Always in care or fostered? Yeah, I was in foster care, I had two foster families.
43:46How difficult is it when you're in care as a kid growing up, going through every change
43:50that a young child does to think, I'm different? Yeah, it's like, how it's constant, like at
43:59school and college, it was a nightmare. When you turned 18 just three weeks ago, social
44:04services sent you your information file, which is pretty standard practice. In that, was
44:08it? They told me it was meant to be just my bank statements and stuff from the past
44:12and I opened it and it was like, there was photos of my family and I'd never seen any
44:16of this information before. You went searching because you had no idea there was a potential
44:21brother out there. Facebook, yeah. Why are you smiling? Because I know you hate Facebook.
44:28I like you so that's fine. You found him instantly, you thought you were excited but nervous.
44:33Now you clicked, you said. Yeah, we just kind of, we've already set each of us nicknames
44:37on Facebook to like little brother and big sister. What if it's not true? I'd like it
44:43to be like, I'd like to have found my brother, but if it's not, I'd still like to maintain
44:49a relationship. You've never met, have you? No. If he is, what would that mean? It'd mean
44:54everything to me because I can finally have, like, because obviously my foster family,
44:58like they're my family, but it'd be nice to have someone that's actually blood. Okay,
45:03so you've never seen him before. Potentially a brother, but DNA, and I warn you, I don't
45:08know what's in that DNA envelope, but I've done plenty where it's not a good result,
45:11so please bear that in mind. But, it's his 18-year-old Lewis and the Jeremy Carl Show.
45:15Have a look.
45:16How are you, pal? Hi, Jeremy. Welcome to the show, mate. Listen, I was so touched by your
45:36story, I'd never heard of Chloe in my life. No one in my family had ever mentioned her,
45:39not once. What is it like then, three weeks ago, when suddenly on Facebook... It was a
45:43bit of a shock, I had to ask, come at the family. We never know the circumstances, it's
45:48unfair to say, maybe the world was a different place, but I don't think there can ever be
45:53a right age, can there? I say to people, when do you tell a kid 5, 10, 15, 20? It's never,
45:59ever going to perhaps be the right time, but I guess for you specifically, Chloe, and I'm
46:05interested in you answering this as well, Lewis, for Chloe this would be the first chance to have
46:11somebody, real family really, would that be the same for you? It would, I've also got another
46:17brother who's from the same biological parent, and that, on that side of things. So you've
46:22clicked, you two, the flip side of that is... I guess he could also be my brother. What if not?
46:27Yeah. What if you're not related? I would still stay friends and she'd be added to my Christmas
46:32list.
46:41You all right? Yeah. 18 years, brought up in care, no family at all.
46:47The DNA tests show that Chloe and Lewis...
46:51are siblings, half-siblings.
46:53CHEERING
47:09You've got to look after your sister, she hasn't had the best time, have you?
47:14What does this mean? Oh, bless you, don't. Don't get tears on the shirt now. I'm only messing.
47:20What does this mean? Seriously, what does it mean? Just finally stopped building my bridges now.
47:26Brave girl. Happy? Yeah, it's now put my mind at ease and now I can... Look after her. I will,
47:34I'll be going down when I get paid. Lovely, thank you, really nice to meet you all.
47:40Lovely little sister, go that way. Give them a round of applause.
47:43CHEERING
47:47Lovely, by the way, my answer this morning out of time. Don't forget, if you want to be on my show,
47:50you'll need my help. Visit my website, the details are on screen. To my guests,
47:53to this audience and to you for watching at home, I'll see you very soon. Take care, bye-bye for now.
48:02Yesterday failed every single lie detector question.
48:08I couldn't sleep last night. I was crying my eyes out. I was with my little boy constantly,
48:12just keep crying, right? Yeah, he did. He was out drinking at the bar and then this morning he
48:16doesn't have a clue where he's going in Manchester and he's out by himself training. You told my team
48:21that one of the reasons that you failed the test yesterday was there was a language barrier in the
48:24test, yeah? He's redone the test. He's told you everything. If he passes, do we have a chance?
48:32Yeah, but he's not moving back in with me or anything like that.
48:36Since the start of your relationship with Georgia, apart from what you've now admitted to,
48:40have you had sexual contact with anyone else? Chris said no, didn't you? Yes.
49:10No.