The Jeremy Kyle Show (20 April 2018)
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00:10On today's show, the first guest today, Simon, is here for one almighty showdown with his ex-brother-in-law, Terry. He claims has run off with his mother, Liz.
00:20So you're now with the mother, but you were with the daughter. Did you have any kids with the daughter?
00:26Yes.
00:27That means you're now sleeping with their granny.
00:29Is that you getting married to Gillian with your now-girlfriend as the mother-in-law? That's a bit weird, isn't it?
00:34Don't you think you should be in the middle there, look? Then you can have both of them at once.
00:39I was on the side of my mum, Terry, do not exist anymore. I have no respect for anyone and I don't care.
00:45You had money off your father when he was alive. He bought you cars. So don't tell me lies.
00:51That is your husband. He'd be totally pregnant.
00:57Apparently his sex drive's gone.
00:58What does that mean? You'll have to help me out.
01:00Angie stops off with him when he's able to try again another day.
01:06We asked Andrew, since the start of your relationship with Julie, have you had sexual intercourse with anyone else? She said no. Why did you say no?
01:11It's on the show.
01:12Sorry?
01:29Hello, my friends. Good morning and a big, big welcome to Showtime.
01:33The first guest today, Simon, is here for one almighty showdown with his ex-brother-in-law, Terry. Ready?
01:39He claims has run off with his mother, Liz.
01:44Nice noise. Simon says he was disgusted to find out that his mother was in a relationship with Terry
01:48a matter of weeks after his dad passed away and he is convinced that they were having sex behind his dying dad's back.
01:53There is lows to this story.
01:55Simon's on the Jeremy Carl show that way.
02:06It is, by anybody's standards, a shocking headline.
02:08A brother-in-law admit you slept with my mum whilst my dad was dying.
02:11Let's just lay out the people that are here.
02:13Terry was in, well, was married to your sister.
02:17Yes, he was, yeah.
02:18He was an older man, he's 70 now, 71.
02:20Which sister was that, Gillian? I'm Gillian.
02:22And he was married to Gillian for how long?
02:25He was married to her for 20-odd years.
02:28So that is Terry, married to Gillian.
02:30They're no longer together, they had kids together.
02:32Your father, sadly, was ill.
02:34He'd been married to your mum, Liz, for how long?
02:3645 years.
02:3845 years.
02:39You say that you are, well, shocked and disgusted to the core
02:43because your mother, at 65, is now with Terry.
02:45It was married to her daughter.
02:47Yeah.
02:49You've known him a long time.
02:51I've known him ever since I was a little kid.
02:54And my dad died on December, and after that, we moved in with her
02:59because that was my dad's wishes, dying wishes.
03:01We moved in his house because I was grown up there.
03:04This is you and your wife?
03:06Me and my wife and my children.
03:07Moved in to look after your mum?
03:09Yeah, to look after my mum after my dad died.
03:12Passed away.
03:13Very quickly after the death, you say, she and he ran off.
03:17Well, yeah, but a week before my dad died,
03:20he called me over to his bed because he couldn't get out of bed properly,
03:23and he asked me, he said,
03:25could you keep an eye on your mum for me and that?
03:27And I said, of course I will.
03:28You know I'd do anything for you, which I would do anything for my dad,
03:30because me and my dad, he was like my best friend as well as my dad.
03:33And he said to me, he said,
03:36I think there's something going on between both of them, and...
03:39Who's that? That's your dad.
03:40That's my dad.
03:41Bless him.
03:42God rest his soul. You say Terry's a bully.
03:44He picked on my dad in his dying days and flirted with my mum.
03:48Yeah, he did.
03:49My dad asked me to keep an eye on him and that,
03:52because I used to go in the kitchen and shut the door,
03:55and there was something going on with him.
03:57Is that why he asked you to move in?
03:58I think so, personally, myself.
04:00You say that when he was married to Gillian, he was a thug.
04:04He hit her. He was lazy.
04:05Yes, he did.
04:06He was not the sort of man that you would want any female in your family with.
04:09No, definitely not.
04:11You say, you go further, though.
04:13You don't just talk about this guy.
04:15You say that your mum is equally responsible.
04:17You say, you mentioned to my teams that she was, you know,
04:20some of her tears were crocodile tears.
04:22Yes, it was.
04:23You imply that she didn't want to be with your father-in-law.
04:25No, she didn't.
04:26There were some times I've been there
04:27where my dad was really in pain and everything,
04:29and I said to my mum and that, called the doctor and that for him,
04:31and she said, no, he's all right, just leave him for a little while
04:34and see how he is after a few hours or whatever.
04:36You say that you held his hand as he was dying from cancer.
04:38Yeah, I held his hand and I was hugging him, yeah.
04:40Let's cut to it.
04:41You reckon there was something going on
04:43with your ex-brother-in-law and your mother
04:45before your dad passed away?
04:47100% definitely.
04:48You told my team not only did your dad say that he wanted you to move in,
04:52but also that she begged.
04:54Yes, she did.
04:55When my dad passed away, she stayed with us for a little while,
04:58but I got too crowded, so she asked us to move into the other house.
05:02You say brainwashed her, Terry.
05:04You can't believe a woman who knew what he did to her daughter.
05:06Then you've got CCTV footage of her getting into Terry's car
05:09at 6am with a bag and she disappeared.
05:12Yes.
05:13And you say she's changed. Why?
05:15She's changed a hell of a lot.
05:16She's disowned all the family.
05:19She's really nasty.
05:21I was down at the chip shop getting some chips with my little girl
05:25and my little girl kept calling,
05:27''There's Nanny, there's Nanny,''
05:29and she totally blanked my little girl.
05:31She blanked her?
05:32She totally blanked her. My little girl was only four years old.
05:34What's today about? Why are you here?
05:35I want answers from both of them
05:37and I want answers from my mother especially
05:39why she disowned all the grandchildren and that.
05:41Let's get him out. Terry's on the Jeremy Carr Show that way.
05:44APPLAUSE
05:54Hello. Hi.
05:57Pleased to meet you.
05:59Apparently you're a violent thug.
06:00No. I used to be.
06:02Oh, I used to be.
06:04Why are you sat over there? What's going on now?
06:06This is ridiculous. Talk to each other.
06:08I don't want him near me.
06:10Hate him?
06:11Yeah, he hated me from day one.
06:13He says you brainwashed the mother. Come on, talk.
06:15No, no way.
06:16We was friends, there was nothing else going on
06:19and you don't want us together?
06:21Like you said, that'll never happen
06:23as long as you've got a holy...head, don't you?
06:25Yeah, I did. Yeah.
06:27You say nothing's going on but you also frilly admit
06:29that you had feelings for this woman for a long time.
06:31You were married to her daughter, pal.
06:33I know who he was. That's not right, is it?
06:35Well, I mean, that's all for you to know.
06:37APPLAUSE
06:40That's five years ago.
06:42That's five years ago.
06:43You hit my mother and everything. Yes, I did.
06:45Then she's moved in with you. What's all that about?
06:48Well, she wanted to move in with me.
06:50Why? I never asked her to.
06:52Why don't you have your mouth and say no, then?
06:54Well, she's the one what ran off
06:56because she couldn't live there with you any more.
06:58Why? I don't know, because she said
07:00you was taking over and making the house all filthy.
07:02How was I making it filthy?
07:04Well, she said you had eight or nine cats.
07:06I mean, dogs...
07:10I mean, dogs...
07:11You need to go back to primary school and learn how to cattle.
07:13Dogs, you know, horses...
07:15Horses in the house.
07:17In the back garden.
07:19Horses in the back garden.
07:21How big's your back garden?
07:23Quite big. Yeah, and a caravan.
07:25And horses.
07:27Yeah, and the back garden.
07:28And dogs and cats in the back garden.
07:30And the poor woman's only got a little box room,
07:32but the horses have got a whole garden.
07:35She had her own bedroom downstairs.
07:38But that got...
07:39It is a bit weird that you were with her daughter, isn't it?
07:42You brainwashed her.
07:43And you hit the daughter, didn't you?
07:45No. She come to the family house many times
07:47with broken toes when you broke her toes.
07:49That was accidental.
07:50How can you be accidentally breaking someone's toe?
07:52Because I still...
07:53Don't be so stupid.
07:54I've got a false leg and I'm being so stupid.
07:56I ain't got no feelings.
07:57Sorry, is that you getting married to Gillian
07:59with your now girlfriend as the mother-in-law?
08:01That's a bit weird, isn't it?
08:03No.
08:04Don't you think you should be in the middle there?
08:06Then you can have both of them at once.
08:08You're a fool.
08:10You are twisted.
08:11Yeah, I know.
08:12What?
08:13Like you, like you.
08:14So you're now with the mother, but you were with the daughter.
08:17Yeah.
08:18Did you have any kids with the daughter?
08:20Yeah, four.
08:21That means you're now sleeping with her granny.
08:23Yeah.
08:24So what do your kids say now to my mum?
08:27Do I call her mum or do I call her nanny?
08:29Nanny.
08:30Why is that I call her now?
08:31Are you messing with your children's heads as well?
08:33What are they?
08:35What are they?
08:40She's got her own life, she's got her own mind,
08:43she do what she want.
08:45Are you happy with her?
08:46Yes.
08:47Is she a nanny or a mother or a girlfriend or a wife?
08:49What the hell's going on?
08:50She's just a partner.
08:51Partner?
08:52Yeah.
08:53So you're not committed to her then?
08:54No.
08:55Right.
08:56What?
08:57Yes, I am, yeah.
08:58This joke to you, is it?
08:59No, it isn't a joke.
09:00What?
09:01You think everything's a joke, he's an idiot.
09:02But he says you brainwashed the mother.
09:04No, I didn't.
09:05You brainwashed her.
09:06I didn't.
09:07Well, I'll tell you what, she's as happy as anybody.
09:08She dressed her man like Coco the Clown.
09:10She's...
09:11Coco the Clown, what does that mean?
09:14I used to see her.
09:15No, she's more happier with a man.
09:18Coco the Clown.
09:19If you look at that picture, everybody's happy,
09:22your actions in sleeping with the daughter and then the mother
09:25have ripped this family to bits.
09:27By the way, she's all loved up.
09:29She's 65, she says she's never been happy
09:31and she's next on the Jeremy Carl Show.
09:33Don't go anywhere, right back.
09:34She says you moved in, took over her house,
09:36pushed her downstairs.
09:37No, no, she asked us to move in.
09:39Well, no, that's not what you're asking.
09:40Well, if you were to pay your rent in your own house,
09:42you wouldn't have been chopped out, would you?
09:44I said if it wasn't for me not working,
09:45I'd keep you in the job.
09:47But that's not something to be proud of, is it?
09:49You weren't there all the time.
09:50No, I wasn't.
09:51I was there all the time.
09:52You're a liar.
09:53Every day.
09:54You're a liar.
09:55Every day.
09:56You are.
09:57That's what I've learned.
10:08Before the break, Simon came out and said,
10:10my dad died in December and he called me up and he said,
10:12well, you move in because I don't trust your mother.
10:14Because 71-year-old Terry, who used to be married to my sister,
10:17he said, and it was the dad's daughter.
10:19I think...
10:20Anyway, three weeks after the guy dies of cancer,
10:23you and the mother are at it.
10:25No, we wasn't, no.
10:26What do you mean?
10:27No, we weren't.
10:28Nothing happened.
10:29What hadn't happened?
10:30Nothing happened, we were just friends.
10:32Are you in a physical relationship now?
10:34Yeah.
10:35You're 71.
10:36Yeah, well...
10:37This gives me hope.
10:40Real hope.
10:43I've got 20 years left.
10:45Lizzie's on the Jeremy Carle Show, that way.
10:55OK, she's arrived.
10:57You talk to your son cos he thinks you're a trollop, basically.
11:01He can say what he like.
11:03I love him with all my heart.
11:05How can you love someone...
11:07Just shut your mouth a minute.
11:08How can you love someone when you're running down,
11:10all the time running down?
11:11Does everybody have a funeral?
11:12Shut your mouth.
11:13Let her talk.
11:14No, will I, will I?
11:15Let her talk.
11:16Let me talk.
11:17And you have a dwell mate.
11:18You had too much to drink.
11:19And you have a dwell mate.
11:20I see my husband...
11:21Can she speak?
11:22Is that all right?
11:23Go on, carry on.
11:24I loved him thick and thin,
11:25right through to the end of his death.
11:27I loved him to pieces.
11:29And I still do in my heart.
11:31Three weeks later, with respect, darling, which is quite quick,
11:34you moved in with a man who had been married to your daughter.
11:38Yes, that's right.
11:40He's been physical with your daughter
11:42and now you're being physical with him.
11:45A lot of people would find that a bit unpalatable.
11:48I'm sick.
11:50You're sick?
11:51Am I sick?
11:52You are sick.
11:53He says, Dad said, come here and look out for Mum.
11:56No, Dad didn't say.
11:57Yes, he did.
11:58Shut your mouth.
11:59You know he did.
12:00Shut your mouth.
12:01You know he did.
12:02He says you're a...
12:03Shut your mouth.
12:04You shut your...
12:05Shut your...
12:06Blen!
12:07Steve, shut your mouth.
12:09No, Steve is lovely.
12:10Oh, don't you start, you've got him.
12:13Be careful, mate, or we'll hurt you next.
12:15If you had to pick between him and Steve, who would it be?
12:18Oh, Blen, you are happy, but three weeks, darling, is very quick, isn't it?
12:22The question is, were you up to anything behind...?
12:26Yes.
12:27No.
12:28No.
12:29Definitely not.
12:30No, never, never.
12:31He thinks.
12:32I'd never do that to my husband, never.
12:34What does your husband think of lover mania?
12:37They used to get on a lot together.
12:39No, they didn't.
12:40I was always arguing.
12:41No, they weren't.
12:42No, they weren't.
12:43I know you left it in the kitchen when your husband was upstairs
12:45too ill to get out of bed, that's what he said.
12:47No, my husband, I looked after my husband, I showered him, I dressed him.
12:50No, you didn't.
12:51My wife showered him and he was riddled with...
12:53Your wife showered him?
12:54Yeah, cos she was a carer.
12:56She showered him and he was riddled with sauce and that,
12:58where he'd been lying in bed, we hadn't cleaned him.
13:00No, he was not.
13:01Get away!
13:02No, he was not.
13:03No, he weren't.
13:04I cleaned him, I looked after him.
13:06We've got Gillian, you know, who married him.
13:09So this is Gillian on a wedding day.
13:11The woman, you've slept with both of them, you can keep out of it.
13:14You're helping her with the veil.
13:16How does Gillian feel about this?
13:18I don't know how she feels.
13:19Well, I'll tell you exactly how she feels about it.
13:21It's a video message from Gillian.
13:22Can you play this, please?
13:26My dad's funeral was on January the 4th this year
13:29and he would be turning in his grave.
13:32Our mother moved in with Terry about a week after his funeral,
13:35which is disgusting.
13:37It seems to me that she don't give a stuff for our dad
13:40and she didn't care about putting her grandchildren out on the streets.
13:43While they're in their cosy little love nest,
13:45mum wouldn't give a stuff about her son, daughter-in-law
13:48and her grandchildren living on the streets.
13:50I don't want anything to do with my so-called mother and Terry anymore.
13:54I don't know why she's gone with him as it wasn't that long ago
13:57that Terry hit her and bruised her face.
13:59Terry's been violent in the past.
14:02I am with Simon one million percent
14:04and will do everything I can to help Simon keep the house he's in now
14:07as we have all the memories there and it's what our dad wanted.
14:11As far as I'm concerned, my mum and Terry do not exist anymore to me.
14:15They have no respect for anyone and they don't care.
14:18You live happily ever after, but you can leave me alone,
14:21you can leave Simon and the kids alone, Lisa alone,
14:24cos we don't want to know you anymore.
14:30Pretty damning, isn't it? That's your ex-wife and your daughter.
14:33So you've traded your whole family for this man. Is he worth it?
14:36Yeah, he is. He is. I love him to pieces.
14:39So you've traded your whole family, your grandchildren, your son...
14:42I love my grandchildren to pieces
14:44and I always will love my grandchildren to pieces.
14:46So after a month of being with a man,
14:49after a month of being with a man who was married to your daughter
14:52and they split up because he was violent to one of his kids,
14:55you're happy to trade your family.
14:57What's your wife called? Lisa.
14:59Lisa's on the Jeremy Carl Show. That way.
15:07What did you say? She said she's a liar.
15:11No, she asked us to move in.
15:13Well, no, that's not what your husband said.
15:15Well, if you'd have paid your rent in your own house,
15:17you wouldn't have been chopped out, would you?
15:19Is that so? Really?
15:21That is true, though, isn't it? You are homeless.
15:23Why should your mother put a roof over your head?
15:26If you have a family and kids,
15:28whether you're looking for work or struggling,
15:30why don't you sort your damn self out?
15:35I agree 100%.
15:37But when you're so with depression and anxiety...
15:39No matter what she did, why don't you burn some of her possessions
15:42and move her out of her bedroom?
15:44Why aren't you big enough to get your own place?
15:46Why don't you answer that?
15:48Why isn't he looking after his family?
15:50Why is it up to her to do it? Come on!
15:52What do you mean? Why are you living in her house?
15:54Because she asked us to move in.
15:56No, he said it was the father.
15:58And she did as well. Why did you ask him to move in?
16:00She stayed with us when...
16:02You stayed with us when Pete was ill in your house.
16:05If you didn't want her to move in...
16:08Truth is, you were being evicted and she did you a favour.
16:11No! No!
16:13Yes, I did! No!
16:15Yes, I did! No!
16:17Liar!
16:19So you're giving up that house and they're going to be made homeless.
16:22How can you do that to your grandchildren? Let's turn it round.
16:25I love my grandchildren.
16:27Why would you make them homeless?
16:29Why isn't it your responsibility?
16:31They're your kids, they came from you.
16:33Why can't you look after your kids?
16:35Well, obviously you don't.
16:37Obviously you don't.
16:39If you look after them, you get somewhere for them to live.
16:41It's not down to your mummy, is it?
16:43What do you think I'm trying to do?
16:45Well, you're 40 years of age, man.
16:47Instead of trying, just damn well do it.
16:49What do you think I'm trying to do?
16:53I don't know what he said last Friday. Speak up.
16:55He was at the chip cart and I see him with little...
16:59He turned round and he said,
17:02Is that what you said?
17:04You are, yes, he...
17:06That's nice. So to children who lost their...
17:08Oi! Oi! So to children who lost their grandfather,
17:11you went, there's your dead nan, yeah?
17:13What message is that, Superdad?
17:15No, my little girl was only four years old.
17:17Yes, what message is that?
17:19And she just don't even look at her.
17:21They turn away and blank her.
17:23She didn't call me at all.
17:25She was a very good grandmother, wasn't she?
17:27No, she wasn't.
17:29No, I was not.
17:31Then kids... When I was with them...
17:33Why would you allow her, then, to be involved in her grandchildren's life
17:36if she was such an appalling grandmother?
17:38You had money off your father when he was alive.
17:40He bought you cars. I helped you with shopping and everything.
17:43So don't tell me lies!
17:45I'm not saying you didn't help me.
17:47Oh, so your mummy also has to buy you food as well?
17:49No. Not at all.
17:51They don't like the fact that you're with a bloke
17:54who was horrible to your daughter.
17:56You've got to understand that and you've got to understand...
17:58I know that was a bit early.
18:00She's nursed your dad. She's 60-whatever.
18:02She deserves him.
18:04Yes, I did. I slept 24 hours, night and day, with him.
18:07Oh, did you? Yes, I was.
18:09Were you there? Yes, I was.
18:11You weren't there all the time. No, I wasn't.
18:13I was there all the time. Yes, you were.
18:15Every day. You're a liar.
18:17Every day. You are.
18:19Now on a Sunday, you weren't.
18:21No, you weren't there on that Sunday.
18:23You probably was there on a Sunday, wouldn't you?
18:25Probably get your afters, wouldn't you?
18:27Probably was not.
18:29Get your afters? What does that mean?
18:31I was pretty unfaithful to my husband.
18:33Did she give him the porridge in the kitchen?
18:35Not like...
18:37Why did she refuse a lie detector if you didn't sleep with Terry?
18:40That says it all, really. Why should I?
18:42Why should you?
18:44Because wouldn't that be a way very simply of nailing the story?
18:47Why are you nodding, you ridiculous man?
18:49He thinks he's Churchill.
18:51You know the nodding dog on the back of the car shelf? He's Churchill.
18:54He's clever, ain't he?
18:56I think the best thing to do is for you to get on with your life
18:59and let me get on with mine. I've got my own life.
19:01I've got to live my own life, my way.
19:03What would he say, the man you're all grieving for on that screen?
19:06Look, look. Look here. Look here.
19:08That is your husband.
19:10You can't even look at your own husband on the telly.
19:13I can't look at it because it breaks my heart.
19:15You know he'd be two minutes pregnant knowing you were him.
19:18She gave him 45 years of her life. Would he have wanted her to sit around?
19:22Three weeks is a bit quick, though, love.
19:24Did he? Yes.
19:26How would your dad feel that you seemed to hate your mother?
19:29He wouldn't like that, would he?
19:31He wouldn't like what this is doing to us.
19:33What, making your children homeless, yeah?
19:35No, not that at all.
19:37I'm getting the blame because they're homeless.
19:40That's not my problem.
19:42What is it, that you're giving up the house as a result?
19:45I give up the house. They had the house.
19:48And I took my name off the council list.
19:50That's a big choice for you to make.
19:52Why don't you put their name on?
19:54Why don't the people that manage your situation,
19:57which means that you can't work, we've done that in a very honest way,
20:00why aren't they able to help you find accommodation?
20:03Because we moved from the other house.
20:06Yes, we did have arrears, not silly arrears,
20:08only like a few hundred pounds, and we were going to be made homeless.
20:11I put my hands up to her. Yes, I could have done more.
20:14I agree with her. I could have done more.
20:16But at the end of the day, she know, he know,
20:19I want you to have that house,
20:21because that's where you were brought up with.
20:24I was brought up there from that size.
20:26All my memories, everything is there,
20:28and now it's all going to be destroyed.
20:30All my memories. You've got to answer that.
20:32That is, I will agree on that. That bit is true.
20:35Then why sit? What are you doing up?
20:37Where's all my jewellery gone? Everything of mine has been burned.
20:41Are you really prepared to trade your entire family
20:44for this man of just a few weeks?
20:46I love my grandchildren.
20:48Do you love Terry more than your grandchildren?
20:50I love them both the same. Equal down the middle.
20:53See, I struggle with this story,
20:55because I think everybody's got a right to happiness.
20:57I don't know what your father thought,
20:59I don't know whether it was that quick or anything went on,
21:02but you've two choices when you lose somebody.
21:05I do believe she nursed him,
21:07and I do believe that you are being honest
21:09when you say in part that you're defending his honour.
21:12Yes, I am.
21:13But I think it's more than that.
21:15You're a very strange character, though, aren't you?
21:17Because you sit there with this sort of grin on your face.
21:20The fact is, do we know what he thought of you
21:22when you attacked his grandchildren and the relationship went wrong?
21:25Does a man... Would he have supported you
21:27or would he have supported his daughter?
21:29He'd have supported his daughter, wouldn't he?
21:31You weren't friends with him.
21:33Some people will say that this happened very quickly,
21:35but the fact is, it's happened.
21:37So are you prepared to trade your relationship
21:40So are you prepared to trade your relationship with your mother
21:44simply because you disagree with who she is?
21:46Are you prepared to seriously disown
21:48and trade your entire relationship with your family
21:50for the love of a man who used to be married to your daughter?
21:53Cos that's the reality, guys.
21:54We can sit here and argue from now till the end of time,
21:57but where do you go from here?
21:59I'm staying with him.
22:00But I will always send my grandkids presents
22:03and Christmas presents.
22:04And you're stopping her from seeing the children, yeah?
22:07Pardon? She hasn't phoned once
22:09or even offered to come in the gate to see the grandchildren.
22:11Do you think you... No.
22:13Cos I am frightened.
22:15Why are you frightened?
22:16Cos he beat me up.
22:17How am I going to beat you up?
22:19Every time I see him down the street,
22:21he mave after me and I shake like anything.
22:24Really shake.
22:25I think you're all still grieving for this man
22:27and I think that rawness against that...
22:29You say I beat you up, but he's the man you're with now
22:32who did beat you up.
22:33And you're with him.
22:34Did you beat her up?
22:35I didn't beat her up.
22:36Yes, you did.
22:37You gave her a black eye.
22:39When you was being violent to your children,
22:41my dad got in the way,
22:42you grabbed my dad on the stairs,
22:43brought her through for pushing down the stairs.
22:45Is that true?
22:46She got in the way and you thumped her.
22:48It is, isn't it?
22:49Yes.
22:50Did you thump her?
22:51You're lying.
22:52I slapped her, yes.
22:53You slapped her?
22:54Yes.
22:55It's unforgivable, isn't it?
22:56No wonder he's defending his father.
22:57You don't go round hitting women.
22:58Are you sick?
22:59Yeah, well...
23:00So she's just lost her husband.
23:01Now people will watch this and think you've taken advantage
23:03of a vulnerable woman.
23:04No, I haven't.
23:05And he hit you.
23:06He hit you.
23:07He twisted her brain.
23:08I got in between...
23:09See, I'm on your side but I'm not on your side at all now
23:12when I hear that.
23:13I'm on...
23:14You've hit your son and you've hit her in the face.
23:16Yes.
23:17Why are you with him, love?
23:18Because I love him.
23:19No, I think he's a place to escape to
23:20because you don't want to be in the house with them.
23:22Yes, 100%.
23:23I can't be with him.
23:24What are you going to do if he does to you
23:25what he did to his kids?
23:26He'd never do it.
23:27Do you not think that it would have made more sense?
23:28Just to finish, right?
23:29And it isn't anybody's right here to say
23:31how you should live your life.
23:32We're asked for an opinion.
23:33There's too many layers to this story to come up with one answer
23:36but maybe it is because they moved in.
23:40Maybe it's because you lost your husband after 45 years
23:43but do you not think...
23:45Let's say he is the right guy for you.
23:47Do you not think you should have done this a bit slower?
23:49Do you not think you should have...
23:50I should have done, yes.
23:51But that day, the Thursday, when I got up that morning,
23:55something just clicked in my head.
23:56What's happened in the morning?
23:57Just shut up.
23:58I've got you on video.
23:59Just shut up.
24:00Running out the gate, jumping in his car.
24:01Can you shut your mouth?
24:02He did not jump in my car.
24:03Yes, he did.
24:04No, he did not.
24:05I've got it all on video.
24:06No, no.
24:07Thank you very much.
24:08And the police are in the house.
24:09No, no.
24:10So thank you very much.
24:11No.
24:12You can't get away.
24:13What's black and white on the camera?
24:14Thank you very much.
24:15How can you?
24:16Can I finish?
24:17You can't.
24:18Thank you very much.
24:19Can I finish, please?
24:20Something clicked in my head.
24:21I had to go.
24:22The house was, well...
24:23So why don't you have a decency?
24:24Just shut up, will you?
24:25Come upstairs and tell your family that you're going
24:27instead of just running off.
24:29Because you're the one...
24:30Why don't you tell your family?
24:31You keep me in.
24:32You're like keeping people locked in.
24:33How do I?
24:34How the hell does...
24:35How do I keep people locked in?
24:36See, here's the thing, right?
24:37I get you when you're defending your dad,
24:39and I get you when you say what you've said about him.
24:42But that argument about the house,
24:44that looks like you actually don't care about anything but that.
24:47I want my name on the house.
24:49Answer that, Martin.
24:50That's my family, that's my dad's wish.
24:52No-one's saying.
24:53You can't stop him in the house.
24:55We've been to the council.
24:56We've got to go separate ways and everything
24:58to find somewhere to live.
24:59And you're giving all that up, your grandchildren,
25:01when you love so much for a thing like that will beat you.
25:04It's not her responsibility.
25:06No, it isn't her responsibility.
25:07Right, I've got to move on.
25:08Listen to me.
25:09You'll make your decision, you'll make your decisions.
25:11We'll put you together with aftercare.
25:13You are trading your entire family
25:15for a man who was married to your daughter,
25:17that split up because he was violent.
25:19He's been violent to you, that's your choice.
25:21But I've been looking over my shoulder.
25:23I absolutely understand you defending your father's honour.
25:26The house thing is a slightly grey area,
25:28but we'll talk about it backstage.
25:29You two go that way, you two go that way.
25:31Give him a round of applause.
25:32Don't go anywhere.
25:33Back with more from the Jeremy Carr Show next, right back.
25:36You've no trust in him, you're 90% sure he's a cheat, why?
25:39Cos he keeps late messages, hiding stuff from us.
25:42In that two hours, what did he do?
25:44Yesterday, one of me good friends behind the bar
25:46for a phone number.
25:49Why would you want to be patched up with somebody
25:51who thinks you're a cheat? Am I right or wrong?
25:53Nothing.
25:55What leads you here?
25:56You are the man, aren't you?
26:00Your wife of a year is now in a relationship with your own dad.
26:05Oh!
26:07She's having sex with her cousin.
26:09And everybody else?
26:11You've slept with 11 people!
26:13You've slept with her in my bed!
26:15So you're now with the mother, but you were with the daughter.
26:18Did you have any kids with the daughter?
26:20Yes.
26:21That means you're now sleeping with her granny.
26:24Stu is here to refute a shocking allegation.
26:28He says he did not rape his own daughter.
26:34Fat little...
26:41You're a liar! She's a liar!
26:47You've not been lucky!
26:54Gotcha!
26:56This job gets weirder by the day.
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27:32Thank you very much indeed. Welcome back.
27:34My next guest today, Julie, is here.
27:36She is 100% convinced her partner, Andrew,
27:38is going to fail my lie detector.
27:40She says this guy is so secretive with his phone,
27:42he even went as far as hiding it in his shoe.
27:47Bit weird. How do you get your shoe on?
27:49Please, on the Jeremy Carr Show, that way!
27:57You all right, mate? Hello. Nice to meet you.
27:59Most people come out here looking terrified.
28:01You look great. Welcome to the show. How are you?
28:03Fine, thank you. The interesting thing about you is,
28:05I said it before with these stories on this show with lie detectors,
28:08some people come on with real definitive proof,
28:10others come on because it's total gut instinct.
28:13Mm-hm.
28:14Honest enough to us to say this morning that actually it's gut.
28:17But gut is sometimes right. You've no trust in him.
28:20You're 90% sure he's a cheat. Why?
28:22Cos he keeps late messages, hiding stuff from us.
28:26I've seen it with my own eyes. I've chased people out of my house.
28:29Tell my team he goes to the toilet for too long.
28:31Mm-hm. Yes.
28:33Can I just say from a male point of view,
28:35half an hour of peace and quiet with the door shut and a newspaper
28:38on your phone is the greatest moment out of the whole day.
28:41No, honestly, listen, honestly,
28:43no children,
28:45no children, no women, peace and quiet.
28:47Steve, do you share my enthusiasm for...?
28:49I agree with Steve.
28:50How long do you sit on the carsie for, Steve?
28:52Five minutes long.
28:54You love Steve, don't you?
28:55He's quite nice, yeah.
28:56Quite nice.
28:57If you had to pick between Steve and me, who would it be?
29:00Steve.
29:01Steve.
29:06What about Steve and Andrew, the man you purport to love?
29:09I do love Andrew.
29:10Who would you pick, Steve or Andrew? Andrew.
29:12You sure? Yes.
29:13Ah! That's me in a bronze medal.
29:15Now, listen, you think he's got a secret phone,
29:18you think he's deleting messages,
29:20you think he's meeting up with women.
29:22He's got another girl's number on a piece of paper.
29:25Well, he did, haven't he?
29:27We finished one day and he followed us...
29:29You finished for two hours? I've never read anything in my life.
29:32We were on a break, how long for, two hours?
29:34How do you get back together?
29:36Shall we go out again? All right, fair enough.
29:38How does that work?
29:39I went home on the night after I'd been out
29:41and I tried to sort things out, yeah.
29:43In that two hours, what did he do?
29:46He asked one of my good friends behind the bar for a phone number.
29:52Now, apparently his sex drive's gone. Mm-hm.
29:54He doesn't want it any more.
29:56Well, he does, but it's only on his terms.
29:58Oh. What you're saying is it's all on his terms,
30:01in that he wants everything and he does nothing in return?
30:04Well, he does sometimes, but it's just on his terms.
30:07What does that mean? You'll have to help me out.
30:09Sometimes he stops halfway through and he'll say,
30:11-"We'll try again another day." AUDIENCE GROANS
30:14Stops halfway through and says,
30:16-"We'll try on another day"? Yeah.
30:20I'd understand that if the football came on,
30:22but really, honestly, really? Yeah.
30:25He says, you know what?
30:27She's been doing it ever since we started going out.
30:30She pecks me head, she nags me backside,
30:32I've had enough, it's driving me bonkers.
30:34It's driving me bonkers. That's why I don't have a sex drive,
30:36cos she's nagging the wotsits off me.
30:38Andrew's on the Jeremy Carr show now.
30:49Hi, miss. Hey!
30:52Stand.
30:56Jesus! Can you stand up straight?
30:59How tall are you? Six foot nine.
31:01Will, come here! Where's Will? Will!
31:05Just stand there a minute. Just stand there, Will.
31:08You told me you were 6'2", and I was 6'4".
31:12Stand next to him. Don't face the front.
31:24I feel really inadequate. Yeah, me too. Can I go?
31:27Yeah, go. Don't think cos you're tall and big
31:30I'm not going to give you a hard time.
31:32Sit down. Welcome to the show. Give him a round of applause.
31:35Lovely man. Thank you.
31:37Andrew, welcome to the show. Appreciate it's difficult for you.
31:40I really, really was interested when I read what you said.
31:43You said that this accusation had been going on for ages.
31:47Can you put it into your own words, on a serious note,
31:50what life is like for you?
31:52It's just a nightmare.
31:54It's just always...
31:56Disgriefing us all the time.
31:58She checks my phone all of the time.
32:02Why do you delete messages?
32:04I'm not judging, I just want to know, really.
32:06Just see how late I've always done it, on my phone.
32:09I've always...
32:11I'm going to stick up for a minute,
32:13because I don't keep any messages or any emails at all.
32:15Do you love this lady? Yes.
32:17She's told me she wants to put a tracker on my car
32:19and put cameras in the house.
32:21She's driving me nuts. Talk to each other.
32:23Didn't you? But you can't just sit there and nod.
32:26Have you been cheated on before? Yes.
32:28Well, maybe that's the reason.
32:30APPLAUSE
32:36She's called every contact in my phone, including my boss.
32:39Can I ask you a question, cos I know you're nervous.
32:41That's embarrassing, isn't it? Definitely, aye.
32:43Have you told her that? Aye, haven't I?
32:46And I'm going to help you out here, Andrew,
32:48cos I know you're nervous.
32:50His answer to the sex thing is, right,
32:52I'm stressed, she makes me feel like I'm pretty worthless,
32:56so why... That's how you feel, is it?
32:58Aye, definitely. But you're taking this like...
33:00Well, this is the only time he's told us this.
33:02Well, then, let's talk. Just...
33:04Forget us, talk to each other, look at each other and be honest.
33:08Tell her how it makes you feel, Andrew. Tell her.
33:10Doesn't flower. Aye.
33:12He tells us how he hasn't got a sex drive any more,
33:14but he doesn't tell us why, why that is.
33:16Because you're mithering the backside off him
33:18and he'd probably go and prefer to read a library book.
33:21I'm being serious.
33:23Why would you want to be passionate with somebody who thinks you're a cheat?
33:26Am I right or wrong? Definitely.
33:28When I pass this test, I'm going to frame it.
33:30I'll tell her to back off and stop being paranoid.
33:33If you do pass the test, do you believe she will back off?
33:36Yes. Yes, definitely. Mm-hm.
33:38Are you sure? Yes. I might need some help.
33:40We'll do that. Mm-hm.
33:42How many people think Andrew's going to pass the test?
33:45But you have been with him for how long? Five years.
33:47Five years don't. We asked Andrew since the start of your relationship with Julie
33:50if he had sexual intercourse with anyone else. She said no.
33:52Why do you say no? Just telling the truth. Sorry?
33:54Of course he was telling the truth!
33:56CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
34:03All right? All right, put it on.
34:05It's a full house. He passed every single question.
34:07CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
34:13I know, on a serious note, I know it's very difficult when you feel like that,
34:16when you get that in your head, and everybody might think you're nuts.
34:19I said before about gut feeling can work.
34:21I respect the fact that you need to know the truth,
34:23but I'm going to say something that you might not like,
34:25and I don't mean it badly, this guy's going to run a mile in a minute
34:28if you don't shut your mouth and start trusting him.
34:30Look at his eyes. I know he loves you, right?
34:32But you absolutely have to draw a line in the sand,
34:34cos if this continues, you're going to be pushed away.
34:37Look at him, it's as miserable as sin, right?
34:40So you know what to do now, don't you? Frame that.
34:42Frame this, go home and don't stop...
34:45By the way, yes, hold on a minute!
34:47You stop halfway through... Sometimes.
34:50And then you just say, well, I've got another deal.
34:52If you get home tonight, now you've got the truth,
34:55don't stop halfway through. There you go, give him a round of applause.
34:58Fantastic, give him a round of applause.
35:02Good luck to them, more after the break from the J.K. show.
35:05Right back, don't go anywhere.
35:07What does he call you?
35:08You're fat, you're ugly, you're disgusting, you make me feel sick,
35:12and then I'll pull him up on it the next day and he doesn't remember a thing.
35:16Sometimes I wake up and she'll be like, I can't believe you said that to me,
35:19it's a really horrible name, and I'm so apologetic.
35:21But then, you know, I'll be fine for like a week and then I'll do it again.
35:28What leads you here?
35:33Your wife of a year is now in a relationship with your own dad.
35:39She's having sex with her cousin.
35:41And everything else.
35:43You slept with 11 people.
35:45You slept with her in my bed.
35:48So you're now with the mother but you were with the daughter.
35:50Did you have any kids with the daughter?
35:52Yes.
35:53That means you're now sleeping with her granny.
35:56Stu is here to refute a shocking allegation.
36:00He says he did not rape his own daughter.
36:06Fat little...
36:12You're a liar! She's a liar!
36:24This job gets weirder by the day.
36:33Thank you very much indeed. Welcome back.
36:35My next guest today, Vicky, is here.
36:37She's desperate to save her marriage to partner Danny.
36:40She says that he is binge drinking, has become increasingly aggressive
36:44and she doesn't know if their marriage can handle much more
36:46unless he agrees to change today.
36:48Different sort of story for us. Vicky's on the Jeremy Carr Show.
36:50That way.
36:59Welcome to the show.
37:00As I said then, a different sort of story.
37:0313 years, we've done all sorts of things.
37:05You are... Can I just ask you this?
37:07You are ready to throw in the towel, aren't you?
37:10Yeah, 100%.
37:11How bad is it?
37:14He's hiding vodka in different types of bottles.
37:18Then when I find out about it, he's denying it,
37:21even though I've got the proof right in front of me.
37:23How long have you been with Danny?
37:25Nearly six years.
37:27Has this guy always behaved as he is now
37:30or is this something that's got worse?
37:32Can you pinpoint a moment when his behaviour changed?
37:36It's got worse over this last year.
37:39What's his behaviour like on a daily basis?
37:41Let's talk about it.
37:42You touched upon he'll drink, is he aggressive?
37:44Is he down, is he up and down?
37:46What is it?
37:47It's pretty much a Jekyll and Hyde.
37:49One minute he's sky high and he's bubbly and he's normal Danny
37:52and he's, like, loving.
37:54He's got such a big heart and he's such a funny, funny guy
37:57and the next minute he's down and hits rock bottom
38:02and thinks that drink's going to help him, give him a pick-me-up.
38:06Doctors have said this guy's not an alcoholic,
38:08he's not alcohol dependent.
38:09There's a massive difference between alcohol dependency
38:12and binge drinking.
38:13It's like he punishes himself.
38:14Now, I know for a fact that his sister died
38:17and at some point he says he's never really got over that,
38:20but interestingly, and this is the sort of line that I come up with
38:23and I get slaughtered, you told my team,
38:25there are all sorts of things that happen in people's lives
38:28worse than that.
38:29He needs to get a backbone and face his demons
38:31and you just don't feel that he has.
38:33No. Like, he'll say, like, this is it, like, I've made a mistake
38:37and he will then go off, he'll go to the doctor,
38:40he'll start getting help and then it kind of fizzles out.
38:42Does he know what it's doing to your marriage?
38:44I have said, like...
38:46Do you think he takes it seriously?
38:50Sometimes I think he does and then I think, well, then he can't do
38:53because then he goes back and does it again.
38:55He threw some china, a dog bowl actually,
38:57a solid dog bowl, you had to call the police, he resisted arrest.
39:01You say he gobs off, thinks he's this, thinks he's that.
39:04Calls me names.
39:05What does he call you?
39:06You're fat, you're ugly, you're disgusting, you make me feel sick
39:11and then I'll pull him up on it the next day
39:14and he doesn't remember a thing.
39:16You say he's destroying our family.
39:18And he's no longer the man that you married.
39:20Who was the man that you married?
39:22Very funny, Danny.
39:25I really like you, by the way, I really admire you for being...
39:28APPLAUSE
39:34Our first date, I hunted him down, it was like a little man hunt
39:37to find out who he was.
39:39Found out who he was through a friend, she got his number from me
39:42and then we went out on our first date.
39:44Clicked straight away, we laughed, went home,
39:46phoned my best friend and said, I'm going to marry him.
39:48And we did.
39:49A year later he proposed, a year after that we got married
39:52and he's just been, he's funny.
39:54Anyone will say he is just a loving guy, funny, he's just lost his way
39:58and he just needs to get back to the guy that he was.
40:01Who phoned the show?
40:02I did, but I told him that I was going to do it
40:04and he said if I did, then he would as well.
40:06What do you think he needs?
40:08Good, a lot of counselling.
40:09There, there, it'll be all right, or a kick right up the backside?
40:12Kick up the backside, sorry.
40:15Does he use what happened to his sister as an excuse?
40:18I'm being straight with you, some people wouldn't like me to ask you that.
40:21I wouldn't say use it as an excuse, I just think he's never, ever had,
40:25he's never had the help and he never grieved.
40:29Did she die in difficult circumstances?
40:30Yeah, she had MS.
40:31The worst case the doctors have ever seen in such a young person.
40:34Why did you bring him here?
40:37Because I think you'll be able to give him the right help that he needs.
40:40Be able to bring him out.
40:41Some people say that this is quite painful.
40:44Mm-hm.
40:45It might be.
40:46Yeah.
40:47You all right with that?
40:48Yeah.
40:50APPLAUSE
41:00How are you, pal?
41:01Not bad, you?
41:02Yeah, not bad, thanks for coming on.
41:03Thanks for entrusting us, really.
41:04I need to get my marriage with Vicky back on track, I need to change.
41:07Why do you need to change?
41:08I'm hiding alcohol when I shouldn't be.
41:10I don't know why, it's not all the time, it is.
41:12Ah, shut up.
41:13You're a binge drinker, so you're choosing to drink.
41:15You're not addicted to alcohol.
41:16No.
41:17So why do you do it?
41:18Come on!
41:19Honestly, I don't know.
41:20It goes through my head.
41:21I've had a chat with so many people, even my mum,
41:23that says, why do you do it sometimes?
41:25That's why I don't know.
41:26Sometimes I get so angry I drink a bottle of vodka before going home,
41:28I hide it in bottles, it makes me nasty, I call a horror...
41:30Are you disgusting to her?
41:32I am. I have been.
41:33But why do people always come through this door and go, yes, I know?
41:35Why would you keep doing it?
41:36I'm not looking down, I'm trying to, you know...
41:38I'm embarrassed for what I've done.
41:40What do you think your sister, who's dead, sadly,
41:42would think about your behaviour towards this lady?
41:44She'd hate me right now.
41:45She'd hate me right now cos she'd love Vicky.
41:47Vicky's been there for me through life.
41:49She's the one person I don't want to lose, and my kids.
41:51She'd be disgusted with me.
41:52So why are you using your sister's death as an excuse
41:54to be disgusting to your partner?
41:56I've said to everybody...
41:57Your partner said to me something, I'm going to be straight with you
41:59cos I don't dislike you at all.
42:01He can't use it as an excuse any more.
42:03He needs to grow a backbone, face his demons
42:05and accept the responsibility that he's got
42:07or he's going to end up with nothing.
42:09I know.
42:10Fact!
42:11Tell me what happened to your sister.
42:13She caught MS when she was 24.
42:14Doctors said it was the fiercest type of MS
42:16because she was such a young person.
42:18So we've gone up to Leeds, brought her back down
42:20cos she's at the LGI in Leeds.
42:22We brought her back down to Southampton General,
42:24sorting out a care home for her,
42:26and it was just killing her from the inside.
42:28She lost, like, 78% of her spine, everything, her skin,
42:30everything just went, and my mum phoned me up
42:32saying, you've got to come into the hospital.
42:35And then I've gone in there, and I've held my sister's hand,
42:38she squeezed me, and literally two, three minutes later,
42:40she was gone.
42:42And we got out, and my mum said she was waiting for me,
42:45and I've never really talked about it,
42:47and I've never used it as an excuse to anyone,
42:49but I've never talked about it because I was strong for my mum,
42:51because, you know, you're not meant to lose a child, are you?
42:53How did it affect you? How do you feel about it?
42:56Angry.
42:57Why?
42:58It hurt the hell out of me. I love my little sister.
43:00She was brilliant. She was really nice.
43:02She had four little girls.
43:03Hurt you because...
43:04Because she was a nice person, and she was young.
43:06At 24, what sort of life is that?
43:08She fought it for four years.
43:10She always had a smile on her face as well.
43:12But I've never used it as an excuse.
43:16I do apologise, and she knows how much I love her.
43:18I really like you, and do you know why I asked you about your sister?
43:21It was probably a bit unfair, because isn't it extraordinary
43:23that you've been with this lady you purport to love for six years?
43:26I absolutely buy everything you've said,
43:28and yet you've sat in front of 200 people you've never met
43:30on national television, and you've just spoken probably more
43:32about your sister than you have to her.
43:34It doesn't, by the way, just so you know.
43:36And anybody who disagrees can do one, for what I'm about to say.
43:40There's this belief that if a man cries or shows emotion,
43:43it's weakness. I think it's the most...
43:45It's the most impressive thing a man can do.
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43:51And that's the problem.
43:54We've been together a long time, five, maybe six years,
43:57and there probably has been once or twice,
43:59maybe three times at a maximum, I've come in from work,
44:01and I've sat on the sofa, and I've had a couple of tears come out,
44:04and we've spoke for, like, a couple of minutes,
44:06but then it stops, it shuts off, I can't get past that.
44:08She's like, let it out, you need to let it out.
44:10But you're interesting, because you can manage your emotions
44:12when you're drunk, and you actually hide behind
44:14not being able to handle them by getting drunk,
44:16because that's your answer about not facing up to it.
44:18I hide the alcohol as well.
44:19I absolutely completely buy what you've said.
44:22It's horrific.
44:24Unfortunately, it's happened, and there's nothing you can do.
44:27And for me, in terms of what I try and do here,
44:29the tragedy in her memory would be,
44:31if you destroy your own life through alcohol,
44:33you destroy your relationship,
44:34you destroy your relationship with your kids,
44:36because naturally you're so upset and twisted
44:38that you can't get over it.
44:40I get that.
44:41But interestingly, I'll give you some...
44:43I remember years and years ago, there was a woman on this show,
44:46and I don't even remember the exact story,
44:48but it's in my brain because of her reaction.
44:50She'd had terrible, terrible...
44:51I mean, the worst...
44:52Honestly, please don't take this the wrong way.
44:54Your sister died, my mum died, but nothing.
44:56This woman had been...
44:57And she sat there, right?
44:58I mean, I think Guy had committed awful crimes against her.
45:01And I was raging. I mean, raging.
45:04And I said to her,
45:05how in the name of God do you manage?
45:07And she said to me,
45:08because if I didn't forgive, forget and move on,
45:11I'll be bitter and twisted and destroy my own life forever.
45:14And that's true, pal.
45:15That's what I'm turning into, I know.
45:17Because I keep thinking, well, if it is my sister,
45:19and that, again, which I've never ever said as an excuse,
45:21why is it seven years later that I'm...
45:23Because people bury it, don't they?
45:24People bury it, people don't face it.
45:26Do you love this lady?
45:27100%.
45:28You don't treat her like you do, do you?
45:29No.
45:30And it's like sometimes I wake up and she'll be like,
45:32I can't believe you said that to me,
45:33and I've called her some really horrible names,
45:35and I'm like, no.
45:36I'm apologetic.
45:37But then, you know, I'll be fine for like a week,
45:39and then I'll do it again.
45:41And it's all like...
45:42But this is the final chance in that.
45:43I got in from work a few days ago,
45:45and she's like, we're going on the Jeremy Cole show.
45:47I was speaking to her about Jeremy Cole,
45:49and she goes, I can't do it anymore.
45:50Not in a horrible way,
45:51but I'd like to come to the Jeremy Cole show
45:53and be over there and be up here.
45:55Not here.
45:56Not in a horrible way.
45:57If you get this sorted, you will be.
45:58I know this is my last chance,
45:59so straight away I said, yeah,
46:00I've got on the phone to my boss and that,
46:01and he says, Danny, you've got to do what you've got to do.
46:03Tell me...
46:04No, tell him, truthfully, as candidly as he's been,
46:08tell him how bad it is, without smiling and holding...
46:10I mean, you can hold his hand, but tell him.
46:12Tell him how near the edge you are, truthfully.
46:14You're breaking me.
46:15I know.
46:16Or, if not, I already am broken.
46:18I know.
46:19We're here to fix this.
46:20I don't want my family.
46:21Come on.
46:22I don't want my family apart.
46:24Nor do I.
46:25I love you to bits.
46:26I love you too.
46:27I want the help, that's what I mean.
46:30Because I want to do this for her.
46:32And I do love her.
46:33She's the most amazing person you'll ever meet.
46:35She is my wife and my best friend.
46:37Again, I don't know why I get like it sometimes.
46:39I know what it's doing to her.
46:40Because we lash out at those we love, that's a fact.
46:43But there is a point, I guess, for her,
46:45where she ain't going to be able to carry on forever.
46:47I know, I know that this is the last...
46:48That's why I'm here.
46:49If I thought that I was going to...
46:50He's like my fourth child.
46:52He is literally like...
46:53How many women say that about their blokes?
46:56I have got four kids at times.
46:57Yeah, but I'm three foot shorter than you.
46:59It's been a day of tall people, except for you and me and Will.
47:02I know.
47:05We will, of course, help you.
47:06Do you...
47:07I mean, listen, the thing that's amazing about you
47:09is you can come out here and you can see it exactly how it is.
47:12But there is also a point where you have to say to people,
47:14do you know what, it's all well and good words, but it's actions.
47:16And if you carry on like this, you carry on choosing the alcohol,
47:19you don't face up to your demons,
47:20you keep lashing out at the people that you love,
47:22you're going to lose everything.
47:23I know, that's why I'm here.
47:24And I started this as...
47:25Maybe you didn't like it,
47:26but what would your sister, who had her life cruelly taken away,
47:28what would she think about the way you treat Vicky?
47:30What would she think about the way that you are destroying your life,
47:32when she did not have a choice?
47:34She'd be the first person to come round and have a go at me
47:36and then sit her down with a cup of tea.
47:38Or Baileys, my sister used to love Baileys.
47:40And I think you can ease your guilt and ease the burden
47:42that you feel that happened with your sister by communicating.
47:45Certainly, we'll set that up,
47:46but also with Vicky on a regular basis and getting this out.
47:49It's like lancing a boil, we've said it for years.
47:51All sorts of people need a crutch at certain points in their lives
47:54because just things build up, build up, build up.
47:56And you know what?
47:58It's not a weakness to need an outlet.
48:00It's not a weakness to get to a point
48:02where you're so pressured you need to turn somewhere else.
48:05And it's also, I guess, perfectly natural
48:07to lash out at the person we love,
48:09but this lady's on the edge and now is the time for that.
48:11Oh, 100%, I'm not doing anything else.
48:13Well, I would say, I mean, lately, work's been mad.
48:15We're getting a lot of...
48:16I mean, asbestos removal, we get loads of jobs coming in.
48:18And I'm literally on six, seven days a week, every single week,
48:21so I'm barely at home.
48:22So when I do get back, I'm tired, and she's tired,
48:24she's had the little ones all the time.
48:26So by the time we do get our own time...
48:28It's not great right now. It's not.
48:29I promise you this, the very best help will start
48:31the minute you leave this stage with Graham.
48:33We'll do our best.
48:34And I really, really appreciate you coming here
48:36because I think you're a nice couple and I hope we can get it sorted.
48:39Thank you very much.
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