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The Jeremy Kyle Show (18 April 2018)
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00:10On today's show...
00:12Your mother, on her deathbed, you say didn't trust. Louisa was supposed to be looking after the one, but she stole it. She's a thief.
00:19You're a liar! You're a liar!
00:22Louisa's on drugs. She was helping herself to our mum's morphine when she was terminally ill.
00:28I want to tell the truth. I want to tell the truth.
00:31She says, my mum stole the money, she's the worst mother in the world, a complete joke, and she's sleeping with her cousin.
00:40How does your daughter pay for the drugs that she puts into her body every day?
00:43Prostitution.
00:47She has sex with men for drugs? Yes.
00:49Not sex, mother, not sex.
00:51Specifically sexual intercourse.
00:54You had sex for money.
00:56Have you had sex? Yes, I have.
00:58Yes, I have.
01:00They took that off me anyway, so I'm taking it back now.
01:06You had 12 men in one night, you told your sister.
01:09Are we in a crisis? We're in a massive crisis.
01:27Come on.
01:31Hello, my friends, good morning and a big, big welcome to the show.
01:33Right, our first guest today, Laura, is here to prove that her sister Louisa has committed the ultimate betrayal by stealing, check this, the funeral fund of their recently deceased mother.
01:43That's low.
01:44Laura says she's 100% certain her sister stole the dosh as their mum confided to her on her deathbed that she thought Louisa was stealing.
01:50Laura says that when the lie detector, when it reveals the truth, she never wants to see her sister again.
01:55Strong words, this lady says, I'm ready for it, I'm up for it.
01:57Laura's on the Jeremy Carr Show, that way.
02:09This is, I mean, God, we've done this for a long, long time, but this is, if it's true, the lowest of the low.
02:15Let's just enable people to understand who's in the story.
02:18Laura, 37, your sister, your older sister, is Louisa.
02:23At the beginning of this year, well, the end of last year, your mother, sadly, contracted cancer.
02:27Yeah.
02:28Take us from there.
02:29Uh-huh, well, she got diagnosed with cancer and it was very quickly, but, like, the last few weeks, see, she was dying, like, my mum didn't want her near her money.
02:42She didn't want Louisa?
02:43Uh-huh.
02:44OK.
02:45She told me, my brother and my daughter to keep her away.
02:48Because she suspected...
02:51..she couldn't get her money.
02:53Your mother, on her deathbed, you say didn't trust Louisa?
02:56Uh-huh, she was helping herself.
02:58This is a tragic story, because she left no money for a funeral.
03:02So, your auntie, Eliza, Eliza, is that right?
03:05Uh-huh.
03:06She'd come into money and she gave 1,000 towards my mum's funeral.
03:12Then tell him what happened.
03:14And I don't know when they got it, but apparently it got sent out of my house in this DVD and there was supposed to be three envelopes.
03:25No, no, but Auntie Eliza gave you 1,000 pounds for your mother's funeral and then she died as well.
03:30Uh-huh, five days later, my Eliza passed away, but the money was still given.
03:34So, she'd given a grand, then she died, the grand for her sister.
03:38Louisa was supposed to be looking after the money, but she stole it, she's a thief, how do you know that?
03:41How do you know that, bar what your mother said on the deathbed?
03:44How do you know that Louisa stole the money?
03:46She had it in her bag for four days.
03:50She was taking from my mum, helping herself.
03:55I was the only one that had the bag, I was the only one that had the DVD.
03:59You had the bag for four days in your bag.
04:01I had the bag, but that still doesn't mean they say I'm guilty.
04:03You took it, you took it.
04:05We'll see when these tests come back.
04:06Why are you telling people why we're going down here?
04:08You will prove, you will prove.
04:09You're a liar.
04:10You're a liar.
04:11When this result comes back, you'll see how they took it.
04:13You've neglected your daughter for day, day and a half.
04:15You'll see it, you'll see it.
04:16You took all my house's money.
04:18You'll see when it comes back, I never took it.
04:20You've took everyone else's money.
04:23Louise is on drugs, she was helping herself to our mum's morphine when she was terminally ill.
04:29And she drinks it and what not.
04:32She's always chosen men.
04:34She's chosen men over her own daughter.
04:38Her daughter, Morgan, who's here supporting you.
04:41You say she's an embarrassment, your mother knew she was a tea leaf.
04:44She's gone with him as well.
04:46And she's having sex with her cousin.
04:48And everybody else.
04:50With your cousin.
04:51Him, aye.
04:52Jim.
04:53Aye.
04:54They're having sex.
04:55Well, she's done everything else with him anyway.
04:57How do you know that?
04:58Because my brother caught them.
05:00And Morgan's caught them.
05:02So your mother was the love of your life.
05:03She died sadly of cancer.
05:05She didn't leave enough money for the funeral.
05:06Auntie Eliza solved the problem with the grant.
05:08She died five days later.
05:09Louise had the money in her bag.
05:11You say that's why it went.
05:12You say she's a terrible mother.
05:13Her daughter, Morgan, will verify that.
05:15She's no good as a sister.
05:16She even stole your mother's morphine.
05:18And you're here for her to do a lie detector because you are convinced she stole the money.
05:22What if she did steal the money?
05:24She's done.
05:25What if she didn't?
05:26Well, someday else.
05:28Let's get her out.
05:29Louise is on the Jeremy Carr Show.
05:30That way.
05:37You're a liar.
05:38You're a liar.
05:39You're a liar.
05:40You're a liar.
05:41You're a liar.
05:42You're a liar.
05:43You're a liar.
05:44You're a liar.
05:45You're a liar.
05:46You're a liar.
05:47You're a liar.
05:48You're a liar.
05:49You're a liar.
05:50You're a liar.
05:51You're a liar.
05:52You're a liar.
05:53You're a liar.
05:54You're a liar.
05:55You're a liar.
05:56You're a liar.
05:57You're a liar.
05:58You're a liar.
05:59You're a liar.
06:00You're a liar.
06:01You're a liar.
06:02You're a liar.
06:03You're a liar.
06:04You're a liar.
06:05You're a liar.
06:06You're a liar.
06:07You're a liar.
06:08She's liar.
06:09Louise, welcome to the show.
06:10Hi Jeremy.
06:11Uh, Laura's sister, Morgon's Mum, Jim's cousin, are you sleeping with Jim?
06:13No, I'm not, that's his another ...
06:15Your daughters said ...
06:16I'm not.
06:17You are caught!
06:17Bill.
06:19You know haven't you?
06:20No.
06:21Oh really?
06:22Uh, your Mum is, your daughter Morgan is ...
06:25Go on say it.
06:26She says you're a rubbish mother, but let's talk about the money, £1000, your bags are
06:30missing your bank to rights letter.
06:32But I was the only one that had access to this DVD. I'm here to prove I'm innocent. I did not take that
06:40Get the results I know I can hold my head
06:47Can I just say
06:56I love you if the money was in a seat
07:02I'm
07:04Morgan was poisoned. You didn't wait. Why did you insist on the DVD being put in your bag if you knew the money was in it?
07:12Can I speak to her?
07:14Why my brother and I were staying in the house, right?
07:21Your mother have a funeral in the end yeah, I who paid for that then it's not even been paid for
07:26And it was my eyes was
07:29No took the 600
07:38Who rang this show, why didn't you ring it to prove your innocence
07:42My daughter I should have because I'm not in the money
07:45So you didn't steal the money at all. No, I didn't touch the money
07:48She said your mom said to her before all the other men
07:58Did you make a morphine did you make a morphine? No, are you on drugs?
08:05Right, but my man was taken
08:11Cannabis
08:14Arms can say him honestly see I did not take that 600
08:28Why
08:42All right, if I speak now, it's just steal the money. No, are you on drugs?
08:46No, you take your mother's morphine when she was terminally ill. No, we should have you done a lie detector to prove
08:52You're telling the truth. Yes, you say she'll fail. You're a hundred percent. Sure
08:55You say you're not sure after this break your daughter Morgan who says she wouldn't trust you further than she can throw you any
09:01Useless mother and a druggie. She's next and lie detector. Don't go anywhere right back
09:07We asked Louisa was it you that stole the money that went missing from your mum's funeral fund. She said no
09:13Why did you say no?
09:20Have you been betrayed by someone close to you maybe you've been accused and you need to clear your name
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09:43I
09:57Love the Scottish accent, but we're struggling a little bit you say your mother sadly contracted cancer back in the last year
10:03I went downhill very slowly on a deathbed. She said don't leave my person in but it by your other sister Louisa. She's a thief
10:10She's dodgy. She won't be trusted
10:11She died without having the money for a funeral unit your auntie Eliza gave you a thousand pounds very quickly
10:17She also died very sadly that money was in a DVD put in your handbag for three or four days
10:21It went missing you are utterly convinced that this woman is a tea leaf
10:24She's on drugs you accused of taking the morphine when your mother was Tony. I'm speaking now. Shut up. Sorry
10:31You say she took the morphine from your terminal mother lie detector will prove it Morgan's your daughter
10:36What's your relationship like with your daughter?
10:39Why is that then because she says and I quote my mum stole the money
10:43She's the worst mother in the world a complete joke and she's sleeping with her cousin Morgan's on the Jeremy Kyle show that way
11:01You've had just say be quiet now talk to me come on
11:04I think she took it because she's just disappeared since this is all happened
11:09She didn't even tell my uncle that she wasn't living there anymore. She just disappeared
11:26You really are it's no good for me, but what what sort of mother was she?
11:30Face she stopped her job and stopped with my dad. She's not been there. Have you seen her smoke drugs?
11:41Well, that's something to be proud of as the mother most people take the door to shopping
11:47What she's old enough to make her own decisions, I can't stop her from smoking weed
11:52Maybe you should educate to slightly differently than if the mothers do
11:59But you think your mother make that money do you think she's sleeping with your uncle is it your uncle her cousin mom's cousin
12:06Yeah
12:08Are you gonna pass this light? Yes. I know Jim. It was your cousin
12:14You I'm sleeping me. Oh, yeah. No Jim's on the Jeremy Jim's on the Jeremy
12:29Don't worry you tell me
12:49Why would you like not do a lie detector to prove that then why do you refuse I don't know if you have any
12:54One
12:57Would you do a lie detector to prove that she's telling you what she's making up
13:03What why would I make up my brother's call you brothers call you what today
13:17Would you so nothing's happened with him she's lying so see you
13:24You will do
13:27You'll do a lie detector to prove you haven't slept with your cousin
13:31Why do I think that you're lying
13:34How did she know the lie detector test about the section of food?
13:45I was
13:55I
13:57Cause I'm
13:59So I went and got the money I put any C envelope that's Eliza was your mother. Yeah
14:04400 pound so you'll see him with your aunt sister's kid. No, no, are you sure?
14:12Did she steal the money
14:15Well, I give him money. Oh, so she might have stolen it somebody else could have stolen as well
14:24I
14:37Don't like her do you I love her
14:41But I don't trust her as far as I could throw what would you do if this woman was in fact a liar and they
14:47were right I
14:50Probably apologize to
14:51Well, did you stop sleeping with Louisa? I'm not sleeping asleep maybe kissing her then
15:01One chain the body sorry, I'll don't winching the body
15:10Yeah, they caught them kissing the smooching smooching, yeah
15:16But you'll do a lie detector to prove that that's not right. No, you won't give me those results
15:21This was the funeral fund
15:24So low
15:25We asked Louisa was it you that stole the money that went missing from your mum's funeral fund?
15:30You said no, why did you say no notice this test says you're a liar love?
15:43Punching you
15:51I
15:55Knew she thought anybody Laura. Come here. You stay there
16:03Come with me just cover me it's come on me. I
16:09Thought she was gonna pass that no
16:12Why did she have the DVD in a bag for four days then suddenly the money come on me?
16:18You don't need to make threats you need to tell her what this would make
16:22Your mum. Yeah, but there's no yes, but there's no point in making threats
16:43Yes, you did yes, you did it's written all over your face watch for the test then
16:49Cuz you're lying, that's why
16:54What do you think of your mother
16:58Yeah, what about you
17:01Oh mother before she died gave that money so a sister
17:09Maybe that's why she's being close to you mate. So you wouldn't find out who the guilty person
17:19Can I just say before I finish this
17:21Oh, seriously, don't make threats because you will get into trouble and your mother. What would she say?
17:27She wouldn't be impressed. You were right. You walk away with dignity. You look after her. You're the bigger person
17:33That's what you need to do, right? Seriously
17:43I'll take what's coming to me, but I'm need easy
17:45The most upsetting thing for me if I was you is the way that my daughter would look at me
17:49She looked at you then as if she wouldn't be able to trust you if you were the last thing on
17:53You want to think very long and hard
18:04Remember why I said you're better than that. All right. Mm-hmm. Promise. Mm-hmm you
18:10Shame on you your dead mother
18:13Shame on you your dead mother. Absolutely outrageous. Give her a round of applause
18:30Just sexy men for drugs
18:42I
18:51Literally at breaking point now
18:53She says that her daughter is selling her body for crack and heroin and has even turned their family home into a brothel
18:59Debbie is sick of a daughter Tara blaming her for her problems and says unless she gets clean today
19:04She won't speak to her. She doesn't know what to do. It's a heck of a story. Debbie is on the Jeremy Kyle show that way
19:12You
19:19Welcome yes
19:22Difficult your Deb's Tara's your daughter 36 sister Katie
19:26I think is the girl who phoned the show this girl is addicted to drugs
19:32This girl is allegedly selling whatever part of her body she can to get a fix and has turned the family home into a brothel
19:38Can we go back? Can we get some understanding of why you are here how we got to this point, right?
19:44Basically when she was 17, she was gang-raped
19:49No, she was 17 year old girl. There was eight boys
19:53Seven more phones. I've know the actual number
19:57There was seven sorry
20:00So we had she went to a special clinic in Manchester where this where they did
20:07Special
20:08Gang rapes and things aren't actually got pregnant so they have to terminate the baby. She had diseases because of that
20:15I tried to stand by you as much as possible. We went counseling together
20:21and then she because of the ordeal and
20:27Obviously I couldn't describe it for myself because I am being there but I was a mother seeing it happen to her and she
20:34Went to drink she'd become and a really bad alcoholic
20:39Well, I would go to work during the day. I was come home. I was a one-parent family
20:44I didn't have a parent at this time. I will come home and find bars in the living room with her and
20:51That continued for about six months and then I decided enough was enough
20:56She got a job down London and she went down London for a few years
21:04Sent me down to London
21:12Can you do me a favor darling, I promise you that you'll get your chance to
21:18Speak in great detail. Can you just sit down Tara?
21:20Because I need to get this side then I'll get your side lose the picture. Please Matt go on
21:25I mean if she went to London, so she went to London. She went to live with Tara's sister
21:32Why and just for support why weren't you around well
21:38Because I was I was traumatized by the whole thing. I was yeah, what do you think? She was?
21:45Absolutely. Yes, I agree with I think she got it. I'm just asking. Do you think she got enough help at the time from me?
21:50I do. Yes, this has ruined her life and
21:53And has has set her on a path that has led her to be today. Just give these people I read this as well
22:00Just just tell these people how bad her life is
22:04well for the last three years and
22:07Taras are drinking drugs in a life for the last three years
22:11The drugs have been where she's taken and using every other day or every day. What drugs?
22:18Cocaine crack as far as I know. She's far as you know, she's overdosed on heroin twice
22:25And she said a room was just a random thing what she tried in front of her son
22:36He found her didn't her son was in bed at the time she was taken out and I never knew that
22:43Myself for that so much
22:47Where is her son now?
22:49Son's been to care of by dad and grandma. I haven't met weekends
22:55How does your daughter pay for the drugs that she puts into her body every day?
23:01Prostitution
23:03Do you know that for a fact just told me what she has sex and men for drugs. Yes
23:09No, no sex mother. No sex
23:14He's different with sexual intercourse
23:16So don't make me out to be some kind
23:18Not still not something to sit there and shout and be proud about though. Tara is it to be honest?
23:24I know what stop shouting out because I'm gonna help you but whether you're selling your body part or all of it
23:30It's not where you want to be at this time in your life. So we'll get to the bottom of it
23:39What do you want from today, right, can I just tell you the reason why we're here is because we love that girl
23:46Who's saying that I'm an unfit mother in this in that I've supported her for the last 17 years
23:51Could you have done more never I couldn't have possibly done more because she's in my head 24 7
23:58I've lost jobs because of it
24:01When she overdosed she nearly died
24:04And she nearly died on our own I I got told
24:09Founder know my response as a mother not as a grandmother
24:13But as a mother was I need to help this girl to make sure she doesn't die
24:19So I took her under my roof for 15 month where she lived in my house and saw my grandchild
24:27Her child every weekend for 15 month in order to turn her life around
24:33You tell me I can do more
24:35It's prostitution that you believe is taking place in her house. Yes
24:40Well, it was in the family. Do me a favor. Just take a breathe. You got the tissues. Just just look Tara
24:45Please be quiet. What's this?
24:48Have a look
24:54Where people come and
24:57And
24:59Give me drugs in exchange for like
25:03Just sexual favors really not not sex but other things
25:07A lot of them will be dealers as well. Most of them will be dealers and it's just basically
25:14It's not a home or bedroom anymore. It's just a working room. No, I never ever sleep in here now
25:19No, I sleep on the couch downstairs and the fact it's even got to this now
25:24it's just you know, this this is just
25:26How I get by because I cannot like live without it now at the minute and this is this is where my life's become
25:32I'm trying me honest and I do stand by that that way
25:35I will not have sex but I just do different things where I think if I'm off my head anyway
25:39It probably might happen if you go to a nightclub and you might need someone back
25:42So I kind of get it in my head like that and I just think I know at the end of it
25:46I'm gonna get the money for it. You know, they give me money
25:50Straightaway I take the money and then they give me the drugs
25:54I have the drugs with them and then they'll give me more money after
25:58Yes, or sometimes I wear like little things and stuff. Obviously, I got a lot of like
26:04men with different, you know, and
26:07These shoes all these different shoes and stuff like that
26:13But yeah, sorry and they've ripped the back of it
26:17They get aggressive sometimes. Well most of the time aggressive with me
26:22To the point where I've been absolutely terrified
26:24I know where I sleep with a knife at the side of my bed just in case anything happens and I'll be ready
26:30But I don't wanna live like that anymore
26:32Because I'm terrified. I just feel like I'm gonna die. It was a family house, my mum, my sisters. No, it's just a drug den
26:40All right. So this is the front room door where it's come off. Aggressive dealers again
26:46This is the couch where I sleep
26:49Because I never ever sleep up there ever
26:54Yeah, because I get scared up there, so this is where I sleep
26:57Staying here, which I get really worried about cos the door is off as well now, it's even more scarier
27:02But I would never sleep up there, ever
27:06Done this show a long long time. I can't decide whether I'm watching that and thinking that
27:12This girl has such a front to her now that you look at that and you think is she being honest?
27:17Or is she taking some sort of false pride in that? As a mother, when you look at that, it's just
27:22Destroying, isn't it? I think she's just being honest. Shall I tell you what I think?
27:26This is a girl who was gang-raped at the age of 17, made pregnant
27:32It cost her so much. It caused her to go down this path and now in return for drugs
27:37She's putting herself in equally dangerous situations in this sort of blasé approach to scoring every day. You angry with your daughter?
27:46Extremely. Has anybody ever been angry with her or does everybody just go there? No, no, I've tried
27:52I've tried all different ways. Doesn't work? At the minute, this is where I'm at at the minute
27:57I've washed my hands off that that girl who you've just seen
28:01To me is not Tara
28:04She's become
28:06She's lost her self-respect. This is why I want Jeremy to help. Can I tell you something?
28:13When I read this this morning, my first reaction, because it did attract the older I get, right?
28:17I thought where the hell were you shipping her off? Can I tell you something? I absolutely buy you a million percent
28:30This isn't always very pretty this bit. Are you all right with that? Yeah. Tara's on the Jeremy Kyle show that way
28:43You
28:48Emiliated me
28:50You've done it to yourself Tara you've done it to yourself if you want help you why am I here?
28:55Why am I here? I'm here for help. But what I'm saying, right is there were certain things we discuss certain things
29:01I said that I weren't gonna say right
29:06What did you don't want him to know you just done a piece of VT which says you're off for sexual favors for money
29:10You've got knives your doors off the thing. What are you talking about? That could be more humiliating than your lifestyle right now
29:14What has she done wrong? Tell me go on. Tell me look at me sending me away to London when I was 17
29:21Be quiet. I needed you to say to me. That wasn't your fault. We will do
29:27To a sister I didn't even know mom. I didn't know
29:31So matter once when I was little you knew her food time
29:34It's just I don't blame you. Let me just say that I do not blame you for the way my life is
29:39I see that and it makes me feel physically sick, and I hate myself everything that I've done and that is why I
29:45Am trying mom. I'm trying. I'm on my own in a house. I overdosed in I haven't got me
29:58Because I'm trying because I'm getting up every single day I'm put to school no not to school
30:03I don't do it every day. I do it every other day. I try to do a day where I'm clean
30:07I do try she she has tried to defend her. I'm talking to don't wait to defend her
30:17Let's go back
30:17Let's go back because as I said to your mum was being really honest when I first read this this morning my initial reaction was
30:22What sort of mother sends a daughter away, but I buy a mother a desperate one
30:27I want to ask you this though you go through something so traumatic you go through something so horrible Tara, right?
30:34Putting yourself in the same position every other day in a house with blokes the worst thing about that VT that nobody's said yet
30:42You said I might offer oral sex. No, I haven't finished. Let me speak most of the time
30:48You said and I quote on that VT. I'm so off me head. I don't know what happens
30:53Can I ask you something to a girl who was tragically gang rape at 17 the same could be happening on a?
31:00Daily basis for what for drugs
31:03Why do you think why do you think I thought you've had a knife to your throat?
31:06I know and don't give it to me that you want to change because you will get it for me
31:22On my son's life, which I never ever do your son's life
31:27You must love your son mustn't I do love my son
31:31I made a mistake. I would be on my knees saying thank you to everybody who's bringing my kid up
31:47Because of what you've done, how old are you 36 so it was 20 years ago
31:53Yeah, but
31:57Because when I speak to you, it's like all that again back and we've never spoke about it
32:16Please I'm not here to say or to paint me to be bad or to pay Curtis to be back to provide
32:22I'm trying to let people understand that there is to it's not as black and white is what people say
32:27Yeah, yeah, I have done things that I hate myself for and when I saw that that was being played
32:32I felt physically let's talk about things you hate yourself. Yeah, I do want to help you today, right?
32:36I read quite possibly that the the strangest quote I've ever read you and I are gonna fall out now
32:42Just so you're aware. I'm a good mum
32:44Yeah, you're a dreadful mum
32:47I'd be a flat one. Yeah, but no good mother picks heroin over their kids
33:03I'm not your mother. Okay, you want my help? You'll take it like an adult your kid could have taken that stuff
33:09I know could be six foot under and these poor people have been wiping your backside. Yes
33:14I don't even begin to imagine the hell you went through and did you get the right help?
33:18But how long do you allow those?
33:20Disgusting vile people that did what they did to you to mess your life up mess
33:25Do you know the best thing is when I read that look at me?
33:27I read that thing and you know, it said it said
33:30My mum sent me away. I'm angry with my mum. Look at me
33:34What the hell do you think's gonna happen in 15 years and your son's on a show like this?
33:38We'll have a circle
33:40So the only way to stop that circle is to stand up and go I need to change my life
33:52I'm not living. I'm existing right? They've talked so much for me, right?
33:56And I don't mean get the violins or anything. They have talked so much for me, right?
34:00Not just people think rape just rape. I was 17 high and I was gang raped
34:07I was humiliated
34:09They battered me they spat in my face. He told me I was worthless. He told me I deserved it
34:15Okay, and then me mom thought it was best to send me away to a sister I didn't know
34:20But that was the worst for me because I felt like I was I was being shipped off because I was no good
34:25But since you started taking drugs you get into cars of strangers who drive you to the moors and drag you out of cars and hold
34:32Knives to your throat. So what I'm trying to say is
34:34What's the point of that
34:38Because what's the point of that when you know, the other was so violently and horrifically wrong
34:42Why are you putting yourself in that position? I get right?
34:47Let me tell you this right because maybe I have changed the way I do this
34:50They all came in for the meeting which they come in for every single morning
34:52And the first thing I said to Amy produces, I feel really sorry for this girl
34:56And I do feel sorry for you
34:58I
35:05Say I feel sorry for you ain't gonna make this any better. What do you want from today? I want help
35:14Three minutes because your sister's coming out you got to convince me it's my show
35:17I don't I don't buy that you want to change
35:20Really
35:26And I justify it by saying well, I'm off me I went to a nightclub they took that off me anyway
35:49Debbie and Tara, um, your sister's Katie Katie was the girl that found the show younger. Yeah. Yes. She a critic or a supporter
35:56Katie's on the Jeremy Kyle show that way
36:20I can't sleep. I'm checking what's up every hour waking up checking that you've been that you're alive
36:26Because I can't answer the phone and your son and stuff like you picked her up from dealer's houses. I'm new
36:33Not dealers. I just but I use these are pits for open when I've talked her in the eyes
36:37You guys are holding back and you can't breathe and I'm saying you know the difficulty about this story Katie
36:42Welcome to the show. Do you know the difficulty is right, sir?
36:49The
36:55Difficult Tara the difficulty for us all with this story is
36:59Nobody that's got any sense of normality would not do anything but feel very sorry for you for what you went through
37:0717 to be gang raped
37:08I mean you are messed in the head forever
37:10But what we have to talk about is how we go from here and today's about honesty. You have had sex for money
37:20I'm sure there are been times. Maybe you've not even know that's even more frightening
37:30You had sex for money
37:33Yes, I have how much I
37:38Don't know I can't remember on the off me head when I do it because I can't do it sober and I justify it by
37:43Saying well, I'm off me head and if I went to a nightclub
37:45They took that off me anyway, so I'm taking it back
37:48No
37:55So you're you've just said something that I think is central to this at 17 bless your heart you were gang-raped
38:00They spat in your face. They said you deserved it
38:03You've just said just wait for me to finish at 36 years of age taking a variety of strangers to your house
38:11Having whatever with them for money and then getting drugs is you empowering yourself and taking power back over men. Yeah
38:18It's not but they're not as well
38:22Selling yourself down the road
38:23Why I've never been able to get off the drinking drugs because when I'm sober like I am now and I'm a hood saying
38:30Then I can't justify it like that because when I hear you say that then you buy I'm just being raped all over again
38:36Yeah, but when you're off you're ready and you're doing that and I know that you're right because I'm not a phone call
38:40I would say anything. It makes me feel dizzy because you're my sister. So it's not yeah
38:46Oblivious to it, but I'm not
38:49Understand what you're saying. I really do understand what you're saying, right?
38:52But you know what? It's like if I I'm not going out mugging all women or short-lifting. Yeah, I've been an addict since 17
39:00This is only all come to light and I know it's disgusting. I know it's bad and I hate myself for it
39:05You had 12 many one night
39:16Once you're those that night a different time
39:25They come every hour
39:34You can't justify there's two ways of doing this one is to say the utmost sympathy you were gang-raped you for addiction all your
39:41Life the people around you tried the other is
39:44the other is
39:46You're still 20 years on
39:48I know paying lip service to a bunch of thugs and criminals that should have been lynched and at best put away
39:56In dangerous positions to men who don't give a damn to put drugs in your system that will ultimately kill you and all in all
40:03You're beautiful. I know
40:16I
40:19Haven't sent you messages. That's why I'm okay. I don't know. I'm not sure if she does
40:26I wouldn't humiliate myself and let the nation know I've done. They probably already know anyway, I've Inklings
40:33It's disgusting, but I don't cause if that means me getting my life back and getting my son back
40:39And
40:42Being happy and looking in the mirror and feeling confident when I look in the mirror
40:45You're very different to what I thought you would be
40:49You see what a dirty cracker
40:52Sadly in this world
40:53You can stay a victim or you can do your best to try and be a survivor Graham Stanier
40:58Give him a round of applause
41:09Sorry, she's just she just chose
41:13To do anything I'm sorry, but your mom's passed away because I know I understand I understand that that but let's go
41:31I need to get up on Christmas Day on Christmas Eve. I have got brain damage, right?
41:40I'm left with brain. Yeah, but you remember things like when I'm gonna pick you up
41:48Christmas Day, I genuinely got mixed up. They don't believe
41:53Christmas Eve on on Christmas Day
41:57Right now I'm gonna say it's Christmas Eve mom. Can I come now? She said time it's Christmas Day
42:01I were aging because I really did get mixed up and that was but that's when I knew I thought this is getting bad
42:08This is my first Christmas Day that I work with my little boy and then me mom and Katie and everyone ganged up on me
42:14And I work like
42:18I said I will pick her up. I will pick her up and mom said do you want mom to come in?
42:23He said no, I'll see you tomorrow. I'm having a good day. No, no, I'm having a good day
42:31Your kid could be in care if it wasn't
42:34Okay, so let's say no reason when you're watching that VT. Why did you walk?
42:39off
42:43Okay, then what did we talk about why did you come back?
42:46What did we talk about and we talked about how your mom and your sister?
42:50That's what they've seen for 20 years. And this is this is the very first time
42:55You've seen yourself
42:57Yeah, and normally I'm always drunk on drugs or something
43:01See that
43:07And I oh, this is what I do and like this is just like that that's become my life, okay
43:13But when I was there when I was 17
43:17You're right. I just carried on
43:21And that's the and that's the important thing that you're very articulate, you know
43:24You can explain that whole journey that you've been through and that significant traumatizing event that you went through
43:30But you traumatize yourself every day you retraumatize yourself from that point onward because what you're saying is
43:37I live every day in shame and embarrassment and humiliation
43:43That's what you do to yourself
43:45Because I feel like everyone knows anyway, but this is what you made them know by making a point and doing
43:58What you need to understand is that that's how she copes
44:02Okay from that significant point that we talked about that traumatizing event. This is how she has come from that point
44:10Onwards, okay
44:11It wasn't the best way to cope but that was her choice at the time and right now well
44:17We have a situation whereby she is spending a hundred and fifty pounds a day on crack cocaine
44:22She's on a constant drip feed of alcohol where she consumes two liters of
44:28Spirits a day and she also uses heroin and
44:33Just one
44:38One overdose of heroin it was two
44:42overdoses of heroin
44:45Had it not been for the people working in A&E you would not be sat on the stage right now
44:50Because they reverse the effects of heroin and that's why you survive. Can I say we in a crisis?
44:56We're in a massive crisis. Can I say though? You know, you talked about a journey
45:02That'll be a journey have a look
45:17Okay, so my first question this morning
45:21So we kind of have spoken a long time and
45:24We did a face-to-face interview this morning
45:27And the first thing I said this morning is how do you feel and she wanted to walk
45:32And three times I listen to Graham or you won't go three times this morning
45:36She's wanted to walk and I said and you just said it then why do you want to walk?
45:41And she said I'm scared and you know why she said she was scared the only
45:45She's ever been able to deal emotionally and with the past is through drugs. And this is the time
45:52No, well, she's gonna have to learn to cope without and she's scared
45:57I
46:12Was more scary ending up in a place with a man
46:16Exactly. Is that clean? That's why I couldn't go back. I couldn't go back there. Let me down on this
46:22I won't I won't I would smash it. I just want my life back
46:26That's where
46:28This is the most amazing man, I say every week Perry Klayman from the Perry Klayman project
46:43Listen I want to know
46:46Harry Graham
46:53Listen listen to this man. Shut up. Listen, so I'm here to offer you three months. That's 12 weeks
46:59residential rehabilitation at the Perry Klayman project in Luton
47:03where we're going to detox you from all of the substances and
47:07Give you the counseling and therapy that you need to start a new chapter in your life
47:15She
47:23Absolutely knows she's got a deal with the past. Yeah, one thing I'm going to say, okay
47:27You haven't been the best parent to your son
47:29No, but you were at one time in your life a great parent because what she did when she was pregnant
47:34This is why I know she can do this. She
47:37Completely went abstinent throughout her pregnancy
47:46Him and me you I'm not even gonna have a go at you. This guy's amazing. Thanks. Say goodbye to your family and make
47:54Work
48:12Three months. Yeah, no cause don't let me down
48:24You can't this is the pressures off now the pressures on her. Yes and us and just all right
48:33You want to thank this man because
48:47The details are on screen to the guests the audience and to your home, thanks for watching
48:51We'll see you very soon. Take care. Bye. Bye for now
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