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The Jeremy Kyle Show (21 March 2018)
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00:00On today's show, he says you've conspired to make sure he doesn't see his daughter today.
00:05He's not saying that. Why? He's on drugs.
00:07Brilliant. Even on drugs you mother... He says...
00:11Where are you going?
00:15Hold on, we've got to go because he's going. Come with me. Where's he? Which way?
00:19Where's he gone? Quick, come with me sweetheart. He's gone. Dad, run. Where's he gone? Come on.
00:23This is ridiculous.
00:24Look at you, shaking. What's up? You haven't had your fix? Are you stupid? I don't enjoy this.
00:31I'm wronged a share. Why did you bring this all together? I want money out of this. I've
00:35given you money. That's my brother, yeah? That's my brother. He's got nothing to do with you,
00:45has he? You're an ass. When I'm seeing you, you're two lesbians or something.
00:50We're not two lesbians.
00:53They're both to blame, yes or no?
00:54Like, by far. He's lost a man's advice about the baby. He just lost a baby. It's not just her.
01:01Hold on.
01:21Hello, my friends. Good morning and a big, big welcome to the show. My first guest today,
01:27Tasha, is here to prove to her ex that he is indeed the father to a two-year-old daughter.
01:31Tasha says that her eight-month relationship with Liam was hell, and when she found out she
01:34was pregnant with his child, he kicked her in the stomach and told her he will abort that thing
01:40himself. Tasha says that he's only seen her daughter once but has been denying her from day
01:44one, and after she proves he is the dad, today she's going to say, do you know what? You're a
01:47lowlife. You're a waste of space. You ain't ever seeing this kid again. Brave lady Tasha
01:51is on the Jeremy Carr Show.
01:59Welcome to the show, my darling. Thank you for coming on. Are you all right?
02:01I'm all right, thank you.
02:02Nervous?
02:03A bit. Not much.
02:04Apparently your ex-boyfriend's pacing the pod. Tasha, 18. Liam's here, the ex, and Craig,
02:10the man you're with, and you've been with for two years. Your daughter, Liam's daughter,
02:14you say, is it? Liam's daughter is two plus two, I think now.
02:17Yeah, she's nearly three.
02:18Why are you here today?
02:19Because he just thinks he's all it. Like, he's not been there.
02:23You say he's done nothing, really. Did you plan the baby with him?
02:27He told me I couldn't have kids and everything else.
02:30Did he? Before he had sex with you?
02:32I was really young and I was vulnerable. He took advantage, really took advantage.
02:36He used to lock you in the house, didn't he?
02:38Yeah. He used to go out, smoke weed with his mates, lock me in the house.
02:43He says you've conspired to make sure he doesn't see his daughter.
02:46He's not seeing her.
02:48Why?
02:48No way. He's on drugs. He's actually transmitted.
02:51Says he's paid two grand.
02:52It's all just to prove that I'm not on drugs.
02:54He says...
02:56Brilliant.
02:56You're not on drugs, you mad little girl. I'll prove it once again, I'm not on drugs.
03:00He says he's paid two...
03:01You're not on drugs. Why have you not got any seats when he's had kids?
03:06He says that he's paid two grand and you've done nothing but...
03:09You say that when you fell pregnant he demanded an abortion.
03:12He said he'd kick you in the stomach.
03:13He booted me in the stomach.
03:15He wouldn't even let you buy a bra?
03:17He wouldn't let me buy a bra, no.
03:18Why? He didn't like you wearing bras?
03:20I was going on holiday to Devon and I went and bought some new bras.
03:23Which he would do?
03:24He could tell. He was like literally examining me.
03:27You never buy new bras for me. That's literally his way.
03:30You say the reality of this is he puts the daughter second.
03:33Oh, where are you going?
03:38Oh, hold on. We've got to go because he's going. Come with me.
03:40Where is he? Which way is he going?
03:42Where is he?
03:44Why do I bother having a set?
03:46Where's he gone? Quick, come with me, sweetheart.
03:47He's gone. Dan, run.
03:49Don't break me wrist.
03:50Where's he going? Come on, where's he going?
03:52Kept mine in the cable, darling.
03:57This is ridiculous.
04:01What are you doing?
04:03What are you doing?
04:05I'm not putting up with that load of...
04:06Look at you shaking. What's up? You haven't had your fix?
04:09Are you stupid?
04:10I've done a drug test. I'm proving it.
04:12What have you done? I've rung the show.
04:15You've rung the show?
04:15I've rung the show.
04:17Yes, why did you ring the show?
04:18To get more money out of us. I've given you money.
04:21Oh, my God. I've brought my bank statements in, Liam.
04:24Tash, I've given you money, Tash.
04:25Why are we doing a DNA test to be giving money to a child
04:27that you don't think she owes? What's that all about?
04:29Because she slept with a different man, didn't you?
04:31How many different men did you sleep with?
04:33How many different men did you sleep with?
04:35This is not even about it. How many different men?
04:37How many different men?
04:38Who is better suited?
04:39You slept me in the house.
04:41No, I didn't.
04:42Yes, you did.
04:43So this is why every time you kept on getting a receipt and order,
04:45I wasn't allowed to leave my front door
04:46because I kept on getting locked up.
04:47Every time I left my front door, I was getting locked up.
04:49Can we do it in there?
04:50Yeah, why don't we do it? We'll go in there.
04:52In.
04:53In.
04:54In.
04:55Why are you being a... that far?
04:57Don't be a... like that.
05:00I don't let them get on with their job.
05:03What did you call me?
05:05You're a disgusting, horrible human being
05:08who's been no sort of father.
05:09You're a little, gumbling little...
05:11far.
05:14Have you done a drugs test?
05:15Yeah, me.
05:16That'll be fun.
05:16I believe that, far.
05:18I believe I'm not on drugs.
05:19Why don't you go on stage and give your balanced opinion
05:22of this whole situation,
05:24and I'll do my best to understand why a child
05:26would ever want to be associated with somebody like you.
05:28Me? Shut up.
05:28Come this way.
05:30Yeah.
05:32So, Liam's... Liam's coming.
05:34You sit there.
05:36You go there.
05:38Liam's on the Jeremy Carl show, apparently.
05:54You don't bother with this, you...
05:58So, I'm going to give you the chance, right?
06:00Because you came to this show and you...
06:02Just shut your mouth and listen.
06:03I'm going to give you the chance.
06:04You said, I have been pushed out.
06:06I have done my best by this kid.
06:08I've given, quote from you, 2,000 pounds.
06:12Everything was all right.
06:13But her, not only do I not trust her
06:15or believe that I'm the father,
06:16but everything she thinks she got with that bloke, Craig,
06:19I've been pushed out.
06:20I'm the dad, and I've come here.
06:22I want proof, and I want to see my kid.
06:24This is all I want, Jeremy.
06:25Jeremy, that's not father.
06:26Let him speak.
06:27Jeremy, every time, I've tried to have contact.
06:30Every time.
06:31She invited us up to hers that weekend.
06:33I stayed at hers that weekend.
06:34They didn't stay.
06:35And she's ended up saying that I burgled her house.
06:37Let him speak.
06:37She said I burgled her house and kidnapped the kid.
06:39Did you?
06:40No, I did not.
06:40Have you ever committed any crime?
06:42I have committed a crime.
06:43How many crimes have you been prosecuted for?
06:45132.
06:48But I'm not saying I'm a good person.
06:50I haven't been there for...
06:51I'm not a good person.
06:53132.
06:55But I'm not a good person.
06:56I know I'm not a good person,
06:57but I've still tried to be here for my kids.
06:59Do you take drugs?
07:00No, I don't.
07:00Not anymore.
07:01I'm not on drugs.
07:02I tried everything I could to be there for the kid.
07:04I tried going to scans, but she cut me out.
07:06She uses me for money.
07:07Yeah, basically...
07:09Why are you waving your arms at me?
07:11Just relax.
07:12Tell your story.
07:13She always uses...
07:14She's always wearing new shoes.
07:16Yeah, mate.
07:17Not really.
07:18So how much money have you given her?
07:19On a regular basis or what?
07:21No, not on a regular basis,
07:22but I've been giving her money when she's asked for it.
07:24I give the money.
07:25And, mate, I've got my mates who's all seen it.
07:28When was the last time you saw your daughter,
07:29if she is indeed your daughter?
07:30By the way, why don't you think she is your daughter?
07:32And why would you be giving money for a kid
07:34that you don't think is your daughter?
07:35Because...
07:36APPLAUSE
07:38It's a good question.
07:38It's a good question.
07:40Because to answer that question for you,
07:42just in case this kid is mine,
07:44at least I've provided for my kid, hasn't it?
07:46Why do you believe the child isn't?
07:47You shouted out the back that she was sleeping around.
07:49Yeah, she was sleeping around.
07:50How do you know that?
07:51Because she came up to us...
07:53I'm not saying any names because I can't mention any names,
07:55but she came up to us and she said something about
07:57this certain man did something to her.
07:59That certain man never did anything.
08:01She lied about it.
08:02And then she said somebody who she knows inboxed her saying...
08:06I don't know about boxing people.
08:08He says...
08:09She says, rather, you ain't ever seen this kid.
08:11She says you are definitely the father.
08:12I want to see this kid in the contact centre 100%.
08:15You know, I'll tell him.
08:16Sorry, I was thinking that.
08:17Have you been violent to her?
08:19No.
08:19Yes, you have.
08:20But why is every charge being NFE?
08:22Last year in front of my daughter.
08:24No, I didn't.
08:24So the 132 convictions, which are probably,
08:28you know, I mean, that's quite bad.
08:31What were they for?
08:32Drugs offence.
08:33Oh, this is what you said to her.
08:35Here, you dirty little something.
08:37Go and drop something dead.
08:38Who do you think you are getting with someone's drop?
08:40A horrible little something rat.
08:42And no, I didn't love me now.
08:43So I hope you and the baby die.
08:45CROWD GROANS
08:49Did you only send that?
08:53I can't remember sending that message.
08:54LAUGHTER
08:55Not my number either.
08:56You never sent that?
08:57No.
08:58All right, OK.
08:58So why are you here?
09:00Are you scared of him?
09:01No.
09:02Well, tell him what you want to say.
09:03You're a freak.
09:04You're a scumbag.
09:06LAUGHTER
09:06You're a scumbag.
09:07Well, can I ask you a question?
09:08When you met him, you might have been impressed.
09:10Well, why are you having unprotected sex with a man
09:12who you know takes drugs?
09:13CHEERING
09:14Why aren't you saying, I don't want to hear?
09:16CHEERING
09:19I did have unprotected sex, I'll admit that.
09:22Like, yeah, I did.
09:23But at the end of the day...
09:24Are you just playing happy families with the new bloke
09:27and kicking this bloke out?
09:28Yeah, I'm not.
09:28Are you being offensive?
09:29I messaged him last year.
09:31I messaged him and said, do you want the chance?
09:33Do you want to prove yourself?
09:35I don't want to kick you out.
09:36I want you to see this kid.
09:38What did he do?
09:38Did he come back to you?
09:39Did he prove that he could be a father?
09:40He messaged me back, yeah.
09:41We were being civil.
09:43I've rung him loads of times.
09:45I had a conversation with him.
09:46So he could have done more?
09:48Now, presumably, one of the first ways of proving, right,
09:51to her that you're serious.
09:53No proof that that's apparently your message.
09:56But you said, I'm going to come here,
09:57I'm going to prove, despite the fact I've been convicted
09:59132 times for, what is it, burglary?
10:02No, drugs.
10:03Drugs.
10:05Well, selling drugs or taking drugs?
10:06Both.
10:07Oh, you're a drug dealer.
10:09Goodness me, what an outstanding role model you really are.
10:14So what we did was we thought we'd give you the benefit
10:16of the doubt and we did the drugs test.
10:18And what led us on, is it, what was that?
10:21Oh, and you failed the drugs test.
10:22What?
10:24Oh, and you failed the drugs test for cocaine and cannabis, yeah?
10:29And you're going to sit on my set and you're going to say to her,
10:32I want to see a kid, despite the fact I sell it and I take it,
10:37and I'm not doing that.
10:39Well, it's not my fault, is it?
10:41If you passed that test, you wouldn't even show how it was like.
10:47You wouldn't even show how it was like.
10:48If you were a child, you wouldn't take the drugs, would you?
10:53Right, don't go anywhere.
10:54Start telling the truth.
10:56Start telling the truth.
10:58I didn't get into my life until I was six months.
11:00Where were you then?
11:01Where were you then?
11:03Oh, where we're sucking on traitors.
11:05We're using to provide for your daughter.
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11:47Where are you going?
11:50So you're going on another run, are you?
11:52You take cocaine and you pretend you are...
11:54I'm not chasing you.
11:56If you wanted to see your kid,
11:58you'd be drug-free as well,
11:59but we've been proven it.
12:11Right, calm down.
12:11We'll start again.
12:12Listen to me.
12:13Let's say...
12:15Listen to me, please.
12:16Because I can help you.
12:17You can't.
12:18You can't, bro.
12:19You're not helping us.
12:20You're stopping to see my kid.
12:22I came here to see my kid.
12:23Right, let me tell you something.
12:24Let me tell you something.
12:25Listen to me.
12:25Look at me.
12:26Do you trust me?
12:27It hurts, bro.
12:28Do you trust me?
12:29Do you trust me?
12:30Look at me.
12:31Yeah, I know.
12:31Do you trust me?
12:32Come here.
12:32Listen.
12:33Come here.
12:34Listen to me.
12:36So this only works if you are honest.
12:39Don't try and fluff it, right?
12:41Look at me.
12:43Do you understand to me, right?
12:44Listen to me.
12:45But it's my little girl.
12:46I know, but you can't see your girl
12:48if you're taking drugs like you're taking them.
12:50So we need honesty,
12:51and if we get honesty,
12:53we can get you help,
12:54and then one day you can.
12:55But going out there,
12:55listen to me,
12:56and shouting at her,
12:57listen,
12:58when you know as well as I do
12:59that you took that stuff,
13:00and if you're on that stuff,
13:01we'll help you get off that stuff,
13:02and then you can be a dad.
13:03But pretending that you don't,
13:04with your record,
13:05with what you've done,
13:06you've got no chance.
13:07So today, look at me.
13:08If you're honest,
13:09and you accept the help,
13:10then it'll be good.
13:10Oh, what works, then?
13:11Just, no, no, no.
13:12Seriously, be quiet.
13:14You failed because you took cocaine, didn't you?
13:16I want the truth.
13:16I took it last night.
13:18Yeah, now,
13:19people watching this,
13:20irrespective of the noise they'll make,
13:22would go,
13:23is it right to let a kid,
13:24a young kid,
13:25right, look,
13:26be with their father
13:27if their father's under the influence?
13:28So you've got to understand
13:30that in that instance,
13:30you're playing into her hands.
13:31Yes or no?
13:32Yes.
13:34You come with me,
13:35and I promise you,
13:36if you calm down,
13:38you don't get angry,
13:39I will do my best
13:41as long as you are honest.
13:44Yes or no?
13:45Yes.
13:45Promise?
13:46Promise.
13:46Come with me.
13:50Yeah.
13:52Understand?
13:53See, if you're not getting round up,
13:54I'm not going to do anything,
13:55just calm, right?
13:57Come with me.
13:58OK?
13:59There.
14:00Yeah, Tash out, please, quietly.
14:02Sit.
14:09Look at me.
14:11How bad are the drugs?
14:13Truthfully.
14:15After, after...
14:18Every day?
14:19No, it's after I had that car accident.
14:21I died for two hours in a car accident.
14:23After Tash said,
14:24I can't see my daughter anymore.
14:26I had a massive car accident,
14:28and I died for two hours.
14:29I've lost everything.
14:32I don't have anything,
14:33much in this world that I have.
14:37How did you get the drugs?
14:38You work?
14:39I work, legit.
14:40Actually, I own a store in...
14:42So close.
14:43That's what I do.
14:44I sell clothes.
14:45He's admitted that he's taken drugs.
14:47He's admitted that he's made
14:48many, many mistakes,
14:49and he's admitted that he wants help
14:50to try and turn that round.
14:52You speak.
14:53Calm.
14:53You get help.
14:54Oi.
14:55Calm.
14:56Might consider it.
14:58But don't forget,
14:59you did come up,
15:00and you did what you did.
15:01You left me the day before,
15:03sat waiting at the train station
15:05for three hours.
15:06Still love her.
15:07With my little girl.
15:08Still love her.
15:10She was the best thing that ever happened to you,
15:12wasn't she?
15:13She ruined my world.
15:14And you messed it up,
15:15until you beat yourself up
15:16by just taking it.
15:17No, I didn't cheat.
15:18She wasn't.
15:19No.
15:20But you did cheat.
15:21I didn't though.
15:22Listen, listen, listen, listen.
15:24Whether she did or not,
15:25look at me.
15:25It was me that split up the chain.
15:26You've got two choices, haven't you?
15:27You allow this breakdown,
15:28look at me,
15:29and how you feel
15:30to mean you take more drugs.
15:32In the end,
15:33a court or somebody's going to say
15:35whatever he's been through,
15:36because he keeps picking drugs,
15:38there's no chance.
15:38I actually,
15:40because you're going to be honest now,
15:41and even when he comes out,
15:42you're going to be calm.
15:43Do you know why?
15:43Because I believe you want to see your kid,
15:45but the way you are
15:45and the lifestyle you've got,
15:46you've got no chance.
15:47This is your best chance today.
15:49Our aim is to help you make better choices
15:52in your life.
15:53Help you with the drugs,
15:54try and put you on a level
15:55and a straight and narrow
15:56where you're not committing crime,
15:57you're not breaking the law,
15:58so that in time,
16:00if you're patient,
16:00if you do what you have to do,
16:02you can come into your daughter's life
16:04and one day you can say,
16:04do you know what?
16:05Look at that
16:05and look where I'm at now.
16:07That's what you've got to think about,
16:08okay?
16:09Now, when the boyfriend comes out,
16:12you lose it,
16:12you've got no chance.
16:13Do you understand?
16:14For me?
16:15Are we on this?
16:16Yes.
16:17Craig's on the Jeremy Carl show,
16:18that way.
16:18Start telling the truth!
16:24Start telling the truth!
16:25Sit down.
16:25Start telling the truth!
16:26I didn't get into her life
16:27until I was literally six months.
16:28Where were you then?
16:29Where were you then?
16:31Where was I then?
16:32I was in prison.
16:33Yeah, exactly.
16:35Two grand that you've given us
16:36and we've been sucking on trainers.
16:38We're using to provide for your daughter.
16:42Where's the money?
16:43Where's his two grand?
16:46Come on!
16:47Fam, you never provided for my daughter.
16:48Don't lie to us.
16:49Don't lie to us.
16:51Where's the seat on your settee?
16:53Where's the seat on your settee, fam?
16:54Where's the seat on my settee?
16:55Where's the seat on the settee?
16:56Craig, welcome to the show.
16:57He's wearing cushions on my settee.
16:59You don't need cushions on a settee,
17:01I can tell you that.
17:01Craig, I'm not against your passion.
17:03I like your passion,
17:04you love your lady,
17:05you have provided for this kid
17:06and whether you like it or not,
17:08the fact is, Liam,
17:10you have, uh,
17:11made choices, drugs, crime, whatever,
17:14that are not conducive to being a good father.
17:15But the fact is, right,
17:16if the remit on this show
17:18is to get it all out in the open
17:19and make people face up to the truth
17:21and then say, do you know what, right?
17:23Can you stand up and change your life?
17:25That's the question here.
17:26I can't change.
17:27I get him completely.
17:28I can't change.
17:28Do you? Really?
17:29100% six months.
17:30You said six months ago.
17:31You've got to answer that.
17:32Six months ago, fam.
17:33You've got us locked up, fam.
17:34You keep getting us locked up on stupid charges
17:36and then they get interfered.
17:37I've met you once.
17:38I've met you once in my life.
17:40I've met you once in my life.
17:40So how have I met you?
17:41I've talked loads of times.
17:42I could go to the courts.
17:43Do you understand where he's coming from?
17:44How can you understand where he's coming from?
17:45Do you know what I want?
17:46In the end, you're going to hate me even more now.
17:48You should be saying,
17:49I'm sorry about these horrible choices
17:51and being in prison.
17:52I should be thanking this stable human being
17:55for helping bring up my kids
17:56who should be horrible, heart-wrecking, but true.
18:02What if, what if, what if,
18:04what if, one sec,
18:05what if she was that young,
18:06she couldn't cope,
18:07and your kid right now was in care
18:10because she didn't have him?
18:12We're there, we're there.
18:13Listen, listen, we're there.
18:14Because you wouldn't get custody.
18:15Stop that altogether, right?
18:16We're there.
18:17See this on this?
18:18I've already thanked this kid.
18:20Ask him to personally.
18:21Have I thanked you when I came over?
18:23That girl who sat down in yours
18:25when she went out drinking.
18:26I did not thank you.
18:26She went out drinking?
18:28When she went out drinking.
18:29Are you having a laugh?
18:30It was me drinking.
18:31I don't drink.
18:32He can't drink.
18:32I'm doing fine.
18:33Every time I die,
18:34I bet a guy kills not to drink.
18:35They both did drugs tests
18:37and they both were absolutely clear
18:38on both drugs tests.
18:39Thank you, I'm a huge fan of you.
18:41No, I'm not.
18:43No, I'm not.
18:43I'm a school dog.
18:44I'm a school dog.
18:45I'm drinking too, fam.
18:47Don't do this to me, please.
18:48Oh, Fretz, now.
18:50Calm, calm.
18:51You ain't seen her.
18:52You ain't seen her.
18:53You ain't seen her.
18:55No chance.
18:56Can I say something to you?
18:57He's not seen her.
18:58What if he turns his life around?
19:00What if in six months or a year he does?
19:02Yeah, but he's got to stop with the Fretz.
19:04He's got to stop with everything.
19:05Absolutely agree with you.
19:07Do not disagree with you.
19:08Sending a message,
19:09wishing your daughter's dead.
19:10So we're going to have honesty,
19:11I promised you, right?
19:12You know that message?
19:14I did not send that message, 100%.
19:15You are the child's biological father.
19:20100%, thank you.
19:26Right, so listen.
19:29That, that, that.
19:31Wait, yeah, what about thank you?
19:32What about thank you?
19:33What about sorry?
19:34Oi, darling, come here a sec.
19:37No, no, get.
19:39That's what I wanted to do.
19:51Come here, come here.
19:54That's one thing.
19:56Proving the child that you can turn your life around is another.
19:58And you have got to understand, pal,
20:00how these people feel about you.
20:02And you've got to say the right thing.
20:04And you've got to say sorry.
20:05And you've got to say thank you.
20:06And you've got, I know you don't want to,
20:08but you've got to say sorry.
20:10And you've got to say, I'll prove it.
20:11Yeah, I will.
20:13I am not, one sec, I'll speak first.
20:15I am not in any way saying you are absolutely right
20:19as the child's mother,
20:20as a very stable influence,
20:22as you heard me say three or four times out there.
20:24I respect you enormously and I agree with you.
20:27If he's told you have to turn your life around,
20:30you can't do any more as the mother.
20:32I would salute you absolutely.
20:33Of course you're right.
20:34You wouldn't let, it's too chaotic.
20:36But absolutely with you.
20:37Now, I'm talking six months, three months, a year,
20:40whatever, down the line, that's what I'm saying.
20:41He knew yesterday he was coming on here
20:43and he still took the drugs last night.
20:44Got to answer that, pal.
20:46Here's a bloke who's up in the night with your kids.
20:47I admit it, I admit it.
20:48It's true.
20:49I tell you what.
20:49You were in the hospital with your daughter,
20:50struggling to breathe,
20:52struggling to sleep all night,
20:53crying her, crying her to sleep.
20:55If I'm weird, when did you get in touch with me?
20:56Telling us this and all that.
20:57Why is it always our fault to get in touch with you?
20:59Let her speak, please.
21:00You've took drugs
21:01knowing that today you could have had the chance
21:04and you know, Liam, that I did give you the chance.
21:07When I was pregnant and last year,
21:10I have done nothing but try with you.
21:12Can I bring Graham in a second?
21:13Yeah, because I was about to prepare him.
21:15Who do you think has to make changes here?
21:16Me.
21:17Okay.
21:18I already know this.
21:19I'm already prepared to take changes.
21:20What changes are you prepared to make?
21:23Anything you want to do with me, I'll happily do this.
21:26Graham, what choices does he have to face up to here?
21:29First and foremost,
21:29I know you're really happy about this result.
21:32And the evidence is that you are the biological father.
21:35However, big comma on the back of that,
21:37that doesn't make you a parent.
21:39And that's what this discussion is about.
21:41It's about parenting the child, isn't it?
21:50When we have this conversation,
21:53it's about how you can parent this child
21:57and make an enormous contribution,
21:59a positive contribution to this child's life, okay?
22:03These are the changes that you have to make.
22:05But you can understand them being upset with you
22:07when 24 hours ago,
22:09you said that this was a priority in your life.
22:12And then prior to the show, you took cocaine.
22:16What you have to do,
22:17the only one person that can make significant changes
22:20in your life is you.
22:23And when you can demonstrate
22:24that you can be a great parent to this child,
22:28they will feel reassured by that.
22:30So all of the changes are coming from you.
22:33Do you want our help?
22:33Yes or no?
22:34I've got to move on.
22:35Yes or no?
22:35Well, let me just say one thing to you, okay?
22:37Because we got off on the wrong foot.
22:38We'll give you that chance,
22:39but do not blame these people.
22:41These people, let me say it once again,
22:42if it hadn't been for this man,
22:44whether you like this or not,
22:45and the stability these brought to this young lady's life
22:47who had a kid at a very young age, right?
22:49That child would probably be in the care system by now.
22:52And yes, you can sit here today and go,
22:54everybody's having a go at me.
22:55But here's the thing, Liam,
22:56here's man to man, like I told you.
22:58You are to blame.
23:00You face up to this.
23:00You've got two choices.
23:01You can leave this studio, take more drugs,
23:03never see your kid and swear about me
23:05from the rest of time.
23:06Or this can be a eureka moment where you go,
23:08do you know what?
23:08I've gone out there, I've taken it,
23:10and I'm going to listen.
23:11I'm going to get my head down.
23:12I'm going to stop lashing out on the world
23:14because I'm going to look in the mirror
23:15and go, it's me that needs changing.
23:16Yes or no?
23:17Yes.
23:17Say thank you to these people.
23:20OK, you do get what you want, don't you?
23:21You do get what you want, don't you?
23:23Yeah, I do all the time.
23:24You do get what you want.
23:25If you want changes, OK.
23:27I'll leave them with you, Greg.
23:31It's difficult, isn't it?
23:33Will he change?
23:34Will he accept the help?
23:36We hope so.
23:36Maybe he won't.
23:37Maybe the cynics watching this will go,
23:38why are you bothered?
23:39Well, we have to be bothered.
23:40We have to try to help him make better choices.
23:42She's a great mother.
23:43He's a great stepfather.
23:44Can he be involved?
23:45We'll let you know.
23:45We're back after this break.
23:46Don't go anywhere.
23:47We asked Kevin, since your last lie detector test,
23:50which was indeed three years ago, you saw it,
23:52have you passionately kissed anyone other than Hayley?
23:54You said no.
23:54Why did you say no?
23:56Since the last time you appeared on the show,
23:57have you had sexual intercourse with anyone other than Kevin?
23:59You said no.
24:12Thank you very much, everyone, for coming out.
24:13Now, you might just remember my next guest, Hayley,
24:15from a previous encounter.
24:17This was three years ago.
24:18Take a look at this, my friends.
24:22Since we renewed our vows, we've had rumours.
24:24I've had people come up to me and say...
24:26Isn't that just part and parcel of when something happens in the past?
24:28Well, I did.
24:29I ignored it and let go until I come across a message on his inbox.
24:33What was the message?
24:34Basically, did you tell her?
24:36Oh, we either be mates or she finds out everything.
24:39I'm going for an STA test after, mm-mm, you.
24:42God knows what I've caught.
24:45Tell the truth now.
24:46Tell the truth now.
24:47You've got the option to tell the truth now,
24:49or you can just get out.
24:51I'm going to pass, and then it's done anyway.
24:53What's done anyway?
24:54Our relationship's done.
24:55Once I've proved to her that I'm telling the truth...
24:57You don't want to be with her anyway?
24:58No, don't.
24:59We asked Kevin, since you renewed your vows with Hayley in February 2012,
25:02are you OK with that?
25:03Have you had sexual contact with anyone else?
25:05You said no.
25:06Why'd you say no?
25:07I was telling the truth.
25:07Test says you're a liar again, Kev.
25:10Doesn't matter to you, though, does it?
25:12Since you renewed your vows with Hayley in February 2012,
25:14have you had sexual intercourse with anyone else?
25:16You said no.
25:17This test says you lied on that as well.
25:19You're out.
25:20And since you renewed your vows with Hayley in February 2012,
25:23have you had sexual contact with the woman in question?
25:25This test says you lied on every single question.
25:27I knew it.
25:31Well, that didn't look like it ended rather well,
25:33but surprise, surprise, because this is the Jeremy Carlshaw,
25:36they stayed together.
25:37But after that result, she, Hayley,
25:39slapped a sex ban on us and Kevin.
25:41Not only this, she made him sleep on the sofa for three long years.
25:47So, for three years, they haven't had sex.
25:49For three years, he's been on the sofa.
25:51Now, she said, I think he's up to his old tricks.
25:53Don't know why she even left him or got back with him or whatever.
25:56She says, if he fails today, I'm filing for divorce.
25:59She can't mean that, because she had him back before.
26:01Hayley's back on the show.
26:03So, if you're not going to like this, take a seat.
26:06I have absolutely no idea why you're back here, love,
26:08because you've got mug printed all over your forehead.
26:10Don't look at that, look at me.
26:11Why would I bother spending money finding out
26:14whether that toe rag's done it again,
26:15when you, last time, when we'd done, and now you're still with him?
26:20Well, I gave him the benefit of the doubt for the second time
26:23and final time.
26:24You let him... There's been no second time.
26:26This is my last time.
26:27You let him... You've had...
26:29There's been no second time.
26:30You let him... There's been no sex and you've been...
26:33Sex ban. What?
26:34Sex ban for two and a half years.
26:37I have not let him come near me.
26:39I've got six kids to think about.
26:41They don't want to lose their father.
26:43I've 18 years of marriage.
26:45So, what you're saying is the two and a half year sex ban, right,
26:47is good?
26:49He's shown that he's committed, he slept on the sofa,
26:51it was about the kids, but you believe...
26:52So, if you're confident, why is he back here?
26:56I'm 30% unsure.
26:59But I am more positive this time.
27:00You did have sex once, though, with him, didn't you?
27:03That was six months ago.
27:04So, you're sleeping with him now?
27:05Yeah, and it's been brilliant.
27:07Why are you doing a test? I'd be completely confused.
27:10No, I was slated on social media.
27:12Pardon? Because of the fact of banning him.
27:14Right. People have commented saying,
27:16well, if I was married to her,
27:17I certainly wouldn't be celibate for two and a half years.
27:19They were going astray, obviously.
27:21So, they thought you were getting it.
27:22But this is his point of coming back.
27:23He wanted to prove himself.
27:25With me, it was...
27:26Have you cheated on him?
27:27No, never.
27:28You glad you're back?
27:30I missed you.
27:32I looked a lot younger then, didn't I?
27:34So did I.
27:35What?
27:35So, if he passes, it's good.
27:37If he fails, he's gone.
27:38Kevin's on The Jeremy Carl Show.
27:39Give him a round of applause.
27:41CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
27:47Welcome back. Thank you very much.
27:49So, can I just ask you something?
27:51You know, last time when he said the lie detector was wrong,
27:53it was right, wasn't it? It was right, yeah.
27:54So, you have cheated? Yeah, I did cheat.
27:56When did you admit to her?
27:59On the wheel. Yeah.
28:00Now, you know, if you watched that, right,
28:04you'd assume that the relationship was over.
28:05I knew what you were doing.
28:06You were going, I don't want to be with her anyway,
28:08because you knew you were about to be found out,
28:09so, you know, you'll get your marking vote.
28:11Were you surprised that she stayed with you?
28:15Yeah.
28:16And this sex ban, how did you handle that?
28:19Quite, you know, it was what she put in post.
28:23And, like, at the end of the day,
28:24if you want that person or want something bad enough,
28:26you've got to go along with what the agreements are, haven't you?
28:29Slept on the sofa?
28:30I slept on the sofa for two and a half years.
28:32But you absolutely...
28:33APPLAUSE
28:38It's quite possibly one of the most romantic things I've ever heard.
28:41I didn't have sex for two years.
28:43You've just tuned in, this isn't me.
28:45I didn't watch porn.
28:47I was saving myself for her.
28:49Yeah.
28:50What's wrong with that?
28:51I think it's fantastic.
28:52What is wrong with you people?
28:55Your description of that first night,
28:58you said it was quite wonderful, because she'd gone out on the lash,
29:00come back a bit tipsy, what happened next?
29:04You say, I'm quite romantic, I make her cups of tea.
29:08I've cooked her fry-ups.
29:09You could say that.
29:11I've begged for forgiveness, I've bought her roses,
29:13I've cooked her fry-ups, I've bought her Gingster's pasties.
29:17No, not bought her Gingster's, paid pasties.
29:19I'm Prince Charming.
29:21I'm going to pass the test to a million percent.
29:23One percent, mate.
29:23He's got heart gold.
29:25He's got heart of gold?
29:26He has, yeah.
29:26And now you're back together.
29:28Then if he's got heart of gold, why are we back here?
29:30To put all of us on immediate straight to bed.
29:34The only thing I want people to make rumours and all that...
29:37You want to put this to bed, and then carry on.
29:39You want to put each other to bed, I think that's what you want to do.
29:42Yeah?
29:43So you're now back with each other romantically,
29:45and this is the moment.
29:46Yeah, all right, well, listen, thanks very much.
29:48Why is she doing one?
29:49We're going to start with Hayley.
29:49I offered, because I was slated,
29:52because, obviously, I was slated.
29:55Not from the expert.
30:00Hayley did not want to be asked questions
30:02since the start of the relationship.
30:03Yeah, we know about that.
30:04She cheated on one occasion before the last show
30:07and claims that Kevin knows about it.
30:08Yeah.
30:08She went on to say that since the last show,
30:10she's kissed a man on one occasion outside a pub.
30:13Yeah.
30:13Did you know about that?
30:14No, not the kissing.
30:18She claims she doesn't know who this man is.
30:19That's a bit rich love, isn't it?
30:20So you've cheated once, which she knows about,
30:22and you kissed a bloke outside a pub on one occasion.
30:25No, I've only ever kissed somebody, yeah.
30:27But he didn't know that?
30:28He did, I've told you before.
30:30Oh, I didn't...
30:32Don't know, she might have said, I'm...
30:33Yeah, I don't know.
30:34How do you feel about that?
30:36Shocked, in a way.
30:39You knew about that?
30:41Well, it doesn't look great, though, does it?
30:45Well, considering I've not...
30:46Maybe that's why you forgave him.
30:47Considering I've not cheated.
30:49No, she's not cheated.
30:50Since the last time you appeared on the show,
30:51have you had sexual intercourse with anyone other than Kevin?
30:53You said no, because she was telling the truth.
30:59Since the last time you appeared on the show,
31:00have you had sexual contact with anyone other than Kevin?
31:03You said no, you were telling the truth.
31:05And since the last time you appeared on the show,
31:06apart from the one thing you've just admitted to,
31:07have you passionately kissed anyone other than Kevin?
31:09You said no.
31:10She passed every single question.
31:16You're saying thank you, but you kissed somebody else.
31:19You have accused me as well before.
31:22You're not very happy about the kiss, are you?
31:24I'm all right.
31:25Yeah?
31:26We asked Kevin, since your last lie detector test,
31:29which was indeed three years ago, you saw it,
31:31have you passionately kissed anyone other than Hayley?
31:33You said no, why did you say no?
31:34The truth.
31:35This test says you lied again.
31:41No way at all.
31:43All right, get on with it.
31:45Get on with it.
31:46Every single question is a lie.
31:49No.
31:50No way.
31:54I haven't.
31:54Obviously, you haven't.
31:55I haven't.
31:56I've been with you all the time, man.
32:00Rotate.
32:01This is exactly what we did last time.
32:03Kev, Kev, I can only read this.
32:07Three lie detectors in 10 years, and you've failed every single one.
32:11And on every occasion, you come back and you say,
32:14it's not my fault.
32:15Well, then why have you failed again?
32:17Because you're lying.
32:19You're a liar.
32:20I've not done nothing.
32:22Kev, there's got to be something, mate.
32:24You know that.
32:25You did it.
32:27This is it.
32:27Hold a second.
32:28You've kissed somebody as well.
32:30I haven't.
32:31What?
32:33I haven't done anything.
32:34Yeah, I haven't done nothing.
32:36Well, then why have you failed, Kev?
32:37I'm not against you.
32:38There's got to be something, mate.
32:39You've reacted like this on the last two occasions.
32:41You've got to hand that to me.
32:42I'm not Kev.
32:44I don't dislike you, mate, but the truth is...
32:46Well, I'm sorry.
32:46For the third time in however many years, you've failed.
32:49On the first two, you've reacted exactly the same.
32:51And then you've said to us later it was right.
32:53And now you've done the same again.
32:54I'm not saying it's right this time, because it ain't right.
32:56You know what I mean?
32:56But it was right last time.
32:57It was right last time.
32:58And the time before.
32:59And you believe her results.
33:00But it's only one test out of four you don't believe.
33:03I'm not saying...
33:05No, I don't believe that at all, no.
33:06Why are you taking your mic off?
33:07Because I'm not coming back on stage.
33:09Guilty as sent.
33:10No, I'm not.
33:12I've done nothing wrong.
33:13This is your wife of 18...
33:15I'll just stand here like this.
33:16This is my wife of 18 years, and I love her to death.
33:20Yeah, but you're not exactly whiter than white, are you?
33:22You kissed a bloke.
33:23He didn't know about it.
33:24I kissed a bloke.
33:25And some people watching this might say
33:26you were dumb enough to forgive him three...
33:28He's gone now.
33:28Honest to God.
33:29Here we go.
33:29I kissed a bloke once in 18 years.
33:32He's had sex three times in 18 years.
33:35I think that's a bit irrelevant.
33:36So what happens now, then?
33:38I'm going to assist her when I get back.
33:41Kev, um...
33:42Oh, dear God.
33:44Kev, you've got to start thinking, mate,
33:45because she says she's off.
33:46She's done.
33:46I've done nothing wrong.
33:47That's it, I mean...
33:48Can you come here, please?
33:50I have done nothing at all wrong.
33:52So how do you...
33:53Come here!
33:54And I cannot understand, for love of me,
33:56why that has come back like that.
33:58Even you said last night, you...
34:00So now I've done nothing.
34:01I have done nothing wrong.
34:02What I say and what I don't see, I can't comprehend.
34:06But he's with you all the time, is what you're saying.
34:08But you must have done something.
34:09I haven't.
34:09Honest to God, I don't know.
34:12I really don't know.
34:15One thing's for sure, you won't leave him.
34:16The sex ban will come back.
34:17It'll be another three years.
34:18I'm afraid I am.
34:19No, she will.
34:20That's it, it's gone.
34:21Final time, Kev.
34:22Done.
34:23So what happens...
34:24I'm too old to be putting up with this.
34:26I've done.
34:28If there's anything you can think of, you need to say.
34:31I can't think of nothing.
34:32There is nothing.
34:32I've done nothing wrong at all since the last show.
34:35Nothing at all.
34:35You need to stop your joints and your medication, yeah?
34:40That's obviously it, yeah.
34:41Well, that's not going to say you kissed somebody.
34:43Listen, Steph.
34:45I've done nothing wrong.
34:45Hold that.
34:46We're going to have to talk this through, all right?
34:48I can't believe it.
34:49I really can't.
34:49I've done nothing, Hayley.
34:50Honest to God, I wouldn't...
34:52I don't believe you, Matt.
34:53Do you want to sit in a room with him, or are you done?
34:55What's the story?
34:55I'm done.
34:56I think you should sit in a room with him.
34:57At least get thinking and come up with something.
35:00I'll leave him to you, Steph.
35:00Give him a round of applause.
35:01Thank you very much.
35:04We'll keep you updated.
35:05We'll let you know when there's more after the break
35:07on the Jeremy Carr Show.
35:08Don't go anywhere.
35:08I'm right back.
35:09What's he got to do with you?
35:10What's he got to do with me?
35:12I've been hearing...
35:13What's he got to do with me?
35:14I don't give a damn.
35:14What's he got to do with you?
35:16What's got to...
35:16Do you see it every day?
35:17No, you don't.
35:18That's my brother, yeah?
35:20Yeah.
35:20That's my brother.
35:30Thank you very much indeed.
35:31Welcome back.
35:31My next guest today, Charlene, is here because she says
35:34she can't cry any more tears over her nightmare boyfriend, Daniel.
35:37She says he is constantly accusing her of cheating to the point
35:40that she isn't even allowed to go to the corner shop.
35:42Now, the shocking thing is that he was found out to have slept
35:45with another woman while she was in hospital.
35:47Check this.
35:48Losing their baby.
35:50She says, quite naturally, the relationship's a mess.
35:52Today, they need to sort it out or say goodbye to each other.
35:54She says, my life is not what I want it to be.
35:56Charlene, he's on the Jeremy Carr Show.
35:58That way.
35:58CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
36:06You either look like a coiled spring,
36:08or you look like you're so dragged down by this misery.
36:11What's the truth?
36:13Basically, every time I go out, even to my friends, to the corner shop,
36:17even if I'm on my phone, he's constantly saying that I'm cheating.
36:21What does that tell you?
36:22Shut up.
36:23What are you going on?
36:23What does that tell you?
36:25I don't think he's cheating on me.
36:26Obviously, he has done it in the past.
36:28I've obviously, like I said, I have cheated on him in the past.
36:31You have?
36:31Yeah, it was years ago.
36:32What?
36:33It was years ago.
36:33And how long have you been together?
36:35We've been together 11 years, I don't know.
36:37How many times have you cheated on him?
36:39A couple of times.
36:40About three, four times.
36:43You see, the thing is, the thing is,
36:44the producers will say to me, like they did this morning,
36:46but he was in prison and she was a teenager.
36:49I'm not condoning what that man's done.
36:50I'll deal with him in a minute.
36:52But if you love somebody...
36:53Well, shut up.
36:54Oi, sit down.
36:55Oh.
36:56Oh!
37:02It's a simple thing.
37:03Sit down.
37:04No.
37:05Yes.
37:06No.
37:06Yes.
37:07Why?
37:07Because you won't be on the show unless you sit down and shut up.
37:11Anyway.
37:13Lose the picture.
37:14Lose the picture.
37:16Um, the thing is, so they said to me,
37:18but she was a teenager, he was in prison.
37:19I was saying, basically, just because he's in prison,
37:21I'll deal with that in a minute.
37:22If you love somebody, whether they're in prison
37:24or whether you're a teenager,
37:25you don't cheat on them.
37:27Maybe, maybe I'm missing my point.
37:29Maybe the fact is, is that he accuses you the whole time,
37:32darling, because you've done it before.
37:34Yeah, it was years ago.
37:35It doesn't matter if it was years ago.
37:37When I told him it was over.
37:39Yeah, they don't give you no reason not to believe you.
37:43You're always on your phone.
37:44Why?
37:45Maybe she's ringing people.
37:46Every person, 24 hours a day.
37:49My relationship is at breaking point.
37:50I'm sick of the accusations.
37:51I'm not surprised.
37:52When did you split up with him?
37:54We split up last year.
37:55You've split up?
37:56Yeah, that was last year, but we got back together.
38:00When did you get back together?
38:02Last year.
38:05Oh.
38:05Do you want to be with him?
38:07I do.
38:07Then why are we here?
38:09Please help me.
38:09Otherwise, I'm going to have a breakdown.
38:13You told me the other day you love me.
38:14That's why he was in bed with me.
38:15I don't love you.
38:16I said don't.
38:17Get off.
38:18Get off.
38:19Get off.
38:22That's what he does.
38:23Somebody's coming.
38:24Somebody's coming.
38:25The time you walk around here, I'm dead.
38:28You big lump.
38:31Why are we here?
38:32Because, basically, I want to clear my name,
38:33because I haven't done nothing.
38:35And you just can't see a fuse in there.
38:37Every time I've let out, I can't even walk around.
38:39You told my team I'd love to do a lie detector.
38:41I can't because of my medication.
38:43We checked that.
38:43That is right.
38:44But let's talk about the serious side of this story,
38:45that you lost, sadly, and I'm sorry for this, a baby.
38:49Yeah.
38:49You say that whilst you were in hospital dealing with that trauma,
38:52he was cheating.
38:53How do you know that?
38:55Because, basically, I was speaking to someone,
38:58and the person turned around and said to me,
39:00obviously, Daniel was cheating on me while I was in hospital,
39:02losing my child.
39:03How do you know that's true, and that's not just people stirring?
39:06Because I asked Daniel myself, and he said he did do it.
39:09How long ago was this?
39:10A year ago.
39:11Then why did you get back with him?
39:13Because I love him, and I could use him.
39:15Why are you...
39:15No, no, no, no.
39:16This is important.
39:17What's that got to do with anything?
39:18Shut up, Daniel.
39:20Oi, I ain't Daniel.
39:23What's your name?
39:24Cindy.
39:25Shut up, Cindy, and...
39:27Cindy, let me explain something to you.
39:29Let me explain something to you.
39:30It's got nothing to do with it, has it?
39:31I have to do this in a certain way where everybody...
39:33Don't flirt with me.
39:34Just go and sit down, and you will get it.
39:35You wish.
39:36Sorry?
39:37You wish.
39:41Oh, that's funny.
39:41Oh, look.
39:42Oh, look.
39:43Man on...
39:43Sorry about this.
39:44Sorry.
39:45Man on camera four.
39:47Why is that funny?
39:47I thought it was funny.
39:48Did you?
39:50Shall I tell you what's funny?
39:51You know the sweets that you eat?
39:52We'll pour them on the floor, because it's not...
39:54Right, there we go.
39:55That's funny.
39:56That's funny.
39:59Let's just...
40:04You don't trust him.
40:05He doesn't trust you.
40:06You argue regularly.
40:08Yeah.
40:08You know that he cheated on you at the lowest point of your life.
40:12I'm being honest.
40:13I'm not being horrible.
40:14A lot of people watching this will go,
40:17put up or shut up, love.
40:18If this guy is what you say he is,
40:20you've admitted your mistakes, he's admitted yours.
40:22There's too much water under the bridge.
40:23Why don't you just say goodbye to each other
40:26and get on with your lives?
40:27Because...
40:29I think he can sing if he really wanted to,
40:33but he needs the help.
40:34The thing is as well, you know, you admitted to cheating.
40:37Some people can put stuff behind them, some people can't.
40:39It sounds to me like this guy's going to keep going and keep going.
40:41And when you get used to being with somebody,
40:43when you...
40:44That's your habit, it's difficult to break.
40:46Are you happy?
40:47Some days I can be happier, when he's like...
40:49But you're on the Jeremy Kyle show, you can't...
40:51You don't look very happy, you look as miserable as sin.
40:55Do you know what I'm trying to say?
40:56It's the way he puts me.
40:57You can shout and scream, but at the end of the day,
41:00he might be horrible to you, you might be miserable to him,
41:02it might work, it might not.
41:04But is this actually what you want?
41:06I don't want to be with him.
41:07Why?
41:08List the reasons why.
41:09Dynamic personality.
41:12Can't keep...
41:13You love what?
41:13The fact that he slept with somebody whilst you were losing a baby?
41:17That's...
41:17You're laughing, that's awful.
41:19You wait to see what they think of that.
41:22Daniel's on the Jeremy Kyle show, that way.
41:24CHEERING
41:29I've done wrong, but I've tried to do right, ain't I?
41:31Sorry?
41:32We've both done wrong, you're not so perfect yourself.
41:34Never said I was perfect, no-one perfect.
41:36Why are you acting like Miss Innocent?
41:37I am, I am.
41:38You've cheated on me, you're probably cheating with Nicky,
41:40cos you're always on the phone with her.
41:42Oh, yeah, cos I'm going to...
41:4324 hours a day you're on the phone.
41:45I am, I am.
41:45You don't spend time with me or nothing.
41:47You've already told me...
41:49You had sex with somebody whilst she was losing a baby?
41:52Yeah, my head was all messed up, I admit it.
41:54How do you think she was feeling?
41:57I've said my head was all in the wrong.
42:00But you cheated on him!
42:02That was years ago.
42:03But, Dan, that's not the point.
42:06Why are you two even here?
42:07I've done the wrong, I've tried putting it right.
42:09It's never good enough, is it?
42:11How's it never good enough?
42:12Why don't you let her breathe?
42:13Why isn't she allowed to go out?
42:15I've got to stop her from going out.
42:16You said to my team-mate she went out the other day
42:18and he saw her for five minutes, so what?
42:20Well, what does that matter?
42:22I also like to have time with her.
42:24Yeah, you don't trust her, do you?
42:25You don't trust each other.
42:26That's the point of this story.
42:27Who's Nikita?
42:28So am I, everyone.
42:29What does she think about this mess of a relationship?
42:31Let's get Nikita on the Jeremy Carl show that way.
42:41Can you help me?
42:41Because these two...
42:42I'm being completely straight, right?
42:43Maybe it's just me today.
42:45I've never seen two more miserable people in my life.
42:48It's literally ridiculous.
42:49Why are they together?
42:51She loves him too much.
42:52Why? Why?
42:53Help me out, please.
42:54I really don't know why.
42:55She gets accused of cheating.
42:56You say she's half the problem.
42:57She's like the third person in the relationship.
42:59She's constantly on the phone to us,
43:01so I don't get no time with Charlene.
43:03I've been looking for a job every day.
43:04She's crying all the time.
43:05I use her phone every day to look for a job.
43:07Oh, God.
43:09Did I say you could come out?
43:10I don't care. What's it got to do with you?
43:11What does it have to do with me?
43:13I've been here for 12 years.
43:16What's it got to do with you?
43:17What's it got to...
43:18Do you see it every day?
43:18No, you don't.
43:19That's my brother.
43:21Yeah?
43:22That's my blood.
43:23It's got nothing to do with you, has it?
43:26Yeah, it has.
43:26When I'm seen, when I'm seen...
43:28You two are lesbians or something.
43:29We're arguing.
43:30You're constantly with each other.
43:33I'm already in a relationship.
43:34Thank you very much.
43:34Are you?
43:35Yeah.
43:35Does he know you're cheating on him with her?
43:37Oh, yeah.
43:37I love him, you know, Charlie.
43:39You know what?
43:39You're so good in bed, you know.
43:41Sorry, I know I live for another planet.
43:44You're called Cindy and you're his...
43:46So you think he's...
43:47I'm his sister.
43:48I'd love to have this with you, because you're very confident.
43:50How do you, Gobby, feel about the fact that your brother
43:53thinks it's all right to have sex with another woman
43:55whilst his girlfriend's losing a baby?
43:57Justify...
43:58Shut up.
43:59Well, he's grieving as well.
44:01He was all over the place.
44:02They're both to blame, yes or no?
44:04They both are, but he's...
44:05So why do you justify...
44:06He's laughing out of his face about the baby.
44:08He just lost a baby.
44:09He just lost a baby.
44:10It's not just her.
44:11Him alone.
44:12So your justification for him being...
44:14No, I'm not justifying what any of them have done.
44:16If you listen to what I said, I said they're as bad as each other.
44:20Why are they together?
44:21They're as miserable as him.
44:22I don't know.
44:23See, I said it many times.
44:25This one, right, cheated years ago on him.
44:28Why did you put up with that?
44:30Because he was in prison.
44:31How do you justify that?
44:32What, did he cheat on her with a bloke in prison or something?
44:35So he can go to prison, sleep with some...
44:37Just...
44:38Cindy, if I actually agree...
44:39If he goes to prison and you want to be with him,
44:41you don't go for some other man.
44:43But you haven't seen your brother for four years
44:45and suddenly you're out here pretending.
44:47Blood and all that.
44:49He's the best thing.
44:49I've never seen my brother like that.
44:50We always have been.
44:51As you put up with not seeing her for four years,
44:55well, you can't damn well handle seeing her for five minutes.
44:58How come you're so close?
45:00You haven't seen her?
45:01Well, I haven't seen my brother.
45:03I haven't seen him.
45:04Because I've had things going on in my life.
45:06They're not right together, though, are they?
45:09Come on.
45:10Do you know what strikes me out of the audience, Lee?
45:13More passion from your sister
45:14and your alleged lesbian lover who probably isn't
45:16and you two just sit there like a couple of wet weekends
45:19just looking at each other and not saying anything.
45:22At least she's passionate, mate.
45:23And her.
45:24Don't you think that?
45:25No matter what I say, it's never really true.
45:28I've admitted to doing wrong.
45:30What have you done wrong?
45:31I've cheated on her.
45:32I've been to prison.
45:33I've done bad things, yeah.
45:34I've not had a perfect life.
45:35Then why don't you trust her because of your behaviour
45:37or because she's on the phone to you?
45:38Because this has happened to me so many times before.
45:40But she doesn't know anyone.
45:41Maybe that's your problem and not hers.
45:43It is my problem, in a way.
45:44And also, if you're really honest,
45:46maybe because she did what she did, however many...
45:48And that's another thing from you.
45:49Oh, it was years ago.
45:50I said already, if you were listening,
45:52it doesn't matter if it was last week or last 20 years ago.
45:55You cheated on him.
45:56Yeah, well, I know that.
45:57So you're no better than him, are you?
45:59I've never said I was.
45:59I'll see it as tit for tat, to be honest.
46:01Unless it stops.
46:02What happens?
46:03So I'm walking.
46:04No, you're not.
46:05Because you're so used to being dragged...
46:06I'm told that this is the last resort.
46:07Do you know what I think?
46:08I think you two are so used to being miserable and dragged down
46:12that it's become your life to just be miserable about each other.
46:16And you look at her passion, you look at her passion,
46:18look at you two.
46:20It's not happening anymore.
46:21What?
46:21It either changes today or I'm walking.
46:23You're not even looking at him, love.
46:25But you don't expect me to change, yeah?
46:26You've got to change yourself.
46:27God.
46:28It's not just one way.
46:29I don't even go on my phone, Daniel.
46:30You're always on your phone.
46:31No, I'm not.
46:32You're always on your phone.
46:32You're on your phone 24 hours a day.
46:33Oh, my God.
46:34I'll go on your phone to look for work.
46:36And then it's like, what do you want my phone for?
46:38Why have you got my phone?
46:39The relationship's a joke, right?
46:41It's ridiculous.
46:41I said that.
46:42If you can't trust each other, then there's no point, is there, really?
46:45I'm all there.
46:46Can I tell you something else?
46:47I'll tell you what I think.
46:50I think, Izzy, I think, Izzy,
46:52however you think you wouldn't be able to handle this,
46:54you lot will be happier on your own or with somebody else.
46:57It's just habit, mate.
46:58And you're miserable.
46:59And I'm, you know, the remit is to try our best.
47:02What am I supposed to do, lie?
47:03Oh, I think with a bit of counselling, you'll be great.
47:06I don't think you'll ever work.
47:07I think there's too much water under the bridge.
47:08I think you've done too much to each other
47:10and you need to cleanse yourselves and get on with your own lives.
47:12You don't talk to me, so...
47:14Why don't you talk to him?
47:16I do try and talk to him,
47:17but every time I open my mouth, he always has a robot mouth.
47:19So there's no point of opening my mouth.
47:21Cindy will back me up.
47:22Your mate Nikita will back me up.
47:24Whatever you might think, this is how it's supposed to be, mate.
47:26Yeah, people have hard times and they have rocky roads
47:28and they make mistakes and all that mess, whatever.
47:30But at the end of the day, you two,
47:33you'd be an absolute advert for splitting up straight away.
47:37The only point.
47:40What do you want me to do?
47:41I've done this for 13 years
47:46and I'm going to finish this part and go to my little room
47:48and I'm going to tell you, you don't need aftercare.
47:50You don't need counselling.
47:52Maybe separately you need counselling,
47:53but the absolute truth for anybody who's brave enough to tell you
47:56is you shouldn't be with each other.
47:57You should split up and walk in opposite directions.
48:00And that, my friends, is all I'm saying.
48:01Goodbye. Thank you.
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48:28as he joins Philip and Holly on This Morning.
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