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The Jeremy Kyle Show (19 March 2018)
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00:00On today's show...
00:02Yes, I have slept with men for money.
00:04Yes, I have been a prostitute.
00:05Yes, I've been a heroin addict.
00:07Yes, I've been a drug addict.
00:08So, throw what you want at me today, shall we?
00:11Cos I've just told them all my...
00:12You liar!
00:14CHEERING
00:16This is what I say!
00:17This is what I say!
00:19You judge a man, you liar!
00:21Have we gone to a break yet?
00:23No. Would you like to take one?
00:25Yes, can you just...?
00:27We'll be back in a minute, because this has got to be dealt with,
00:29cos I'm not a liar.
00:33Did you take 60 quid of cash out of Shannon's house?
00:36Why did you say no?
00:41Come here and listen to what I've got to say.
00:44So, did you make it up, then?
00:45No, I didn't make it up.
00:46Then why won't you just prove that she's lying?
00:48Oh, so she can sit there and think...
00:50You just laughed out at me. You can't do that.
00:52Please, leave me alone.
00:54I'm not going to chase you everywhere.
00:57She's saying, like, I forced my name on the back seat of it.
00:59What do I do? I've become T-Rex.
01:01Well, you're 95% you are, and you're 95% you're not.
01:03The DNA test results show that Luke...
01:10CHEERING
01:27Hello, my friends, good morning and a big, big welcome to the show.
01:30Our first guest today, Danielle, is here to prove
01:32that she's not stolen money from her ex-best friend, Shannon.
01:35Check this.
01:36Danielle states that Shannon is nothing but a disgusting liar
01:39and claims that this accusation is just yet another attempt
01:42to destroy her relationship with their mutual friend, Becky.
01:45Not only that, Danielle says...
01:47Danielle says Shannon sent explicit videos of her
01:50around their local area and destroyed her reputation.
01:54What sort of videos, I hear you ask?
01:56Danielle's on the Jeremy Carr Show, that way!
01:58CHEERING
02:04Sorry, before we start, I'd just like to say something.
02:07Yes, I have slept with men for money.
02:09Yes, I have been a prostitute.
02:11Yes, I've been a heroin addict.
02:13So throw what you want at me today, Shannon,
02:16I've just told them all my secrets.
02:18CHEERING
02:26That's what I say, you should have just made me a liar!
02:29Yeah, all right, it's all right.
02:31CHEERING
02:34LAUGHTER
02:44Lose the picture, please, Matthew.
02:47Hello. Hello, Jeremy.
02:50You used to be a prostitute?
02:52Yes, yes, I'm not going to deny it.
02:54Right, can we just... Cos it's a bit of a funny story. Yeah.
02:57So, as I understand it, Shannon's with Darius.
03:01Yeah, the visa boy.
03:05Is that a credit card?
03:07No, darling, he's just here to get a visa offer.
03:13Stay here, you sick...
03:15Well, this is going well.
03:17You and Shannon were or are mates?
03:20We were.
03:21This is how I understand it, and I'm getting old,
03:23you have a mutual friend, Becky, right?
03:25Yeah, amazing Becky.
03:26Now, apparently, Shannon borrowed some money off Becky.
03:29Yes? Yes. I'm with it so far.
03:31You were having a bad time and she and Darius, right,
03:35invited you round.
03:37Yes, so I went round.
03:38You got one of your uppers, they ordered some food.
03:40There's this money, it doesn't matter how much money it was,
03:44but the money, they are saying that you stole from their house,
03:48which was money that they were going to pay Becky back with.
03:51Yep, that's correct.
03:52You're saying they've made that up...
03:54Oh, yeah, I've never had anybody...
03:56..to make you look bad in Becky's eyes.
03:58They backed off with you for stealing it, allegedly,
04:00but also with them for not giving her the money back
04:03instead of giving it to you.
04:05Yes, that's very correct.
04:07But on from that, we've got, you used to be a prostitute
04:10and he sent explicit videos.
04:12Yeah, so I had a video...
04:14Oh, God.
04:15OK, right, so I had a video of me playing with my boobs
04:19that I had sent...
04:21Playing with your boobs?
04:23Yes, and it was for somebody who has been previously in my life,
04:26we were having a long-distance relation.
04:28How did they get it?
04:29They had a phone and it was connected...
04:31I've got a phone and I haven't got a phone.
04:33No, it was my phone, it was my phone.
04:35They had your phone?
04:36Yeah, and it was connected to my Gmail account.
04:38I don't know what that means.
04:39Well, like Samson's, you connect them to your Gmail account,
04:41your pictures, your contacts, everything gets saved to it.
04:44A bit like iCloud.
04:47If you were friends, why would she send explicit videos?
04:50Because by this time we weren't,
04:51because she had found out that I had told Becky,
04:53because Becky was really upset about not getting this money.
04:55Of them?
04:56Yes.
04:57Why did you take the money?
04:59I haven't taken it.
05:00Was there any money there?
05:01No.
05:02What?!
05:03So you told Becky...
05:04LAUGHTER
05:05You told Becky and she was upset.
05:07Becky, yeah, she was not so much upset,
05:09so she was upset talking to me how much she's helped Shannon
05:12and things like this and then there was, you know...
05:14But you told Becky they were spending their money
05:16on takeaways and on gambling and she was annoyed
05:18because she said they should be paying her back.
05:20Yes, and that's how...
05:21The better way, you say, of deflecting that is to say...
05:24Is to say I took the money.
05:25..that you stole the money.
05:26Yeah.
05:27So you're doing a lie detector to prove that you didn't steal
05:29any money from their house,
05:30which they were supposed to give to Becky.
05:32Why is she doing a lie detector?
05:34Because I don't think there was any money in the beginning,
05:36because the whole time I was there they never even left the house
05:38to go to a cashpoint to withdraw any money, Jeremy.
05:43Darius is a user.
05:44He's only with her for money, benefits and a visa.
05:47She's a mug.
05:48I will pass 100%.
05:49I've nothing to hide.
05:50Shannon is a scumbag.
05:51Basically, yeah.
05:53Now, this is quite interesting.
05:54Please bear with me, people.
05:56Who are you here with today?
05:58I am here with her ex, Dean, as friends, may I add,
06:01because that has already been thrown into the mix.
06:03Have you ever slept with Dean? No.
06:05What about last night when you shared a room?
06:07We didn't share a room.
06:08If you check with your team, we had separate rooms.
06:10Oh, you're going to say sex, then?
06:12We had separate rooms.
06:14Have you ever slept with Dean? No.
06:16So why is she thinking that you're at it with Dean now?
06:19Probably because she thinks that I'm sex mad
06:21and I sleep with every guy going.
06:23Do you?
06:24Well, I've been a prostitute, Jeremy,
06:26so obviously I sleep with a lot of men.
06:28You told my team, I think,
06:30that Shannon is jealous of my relationship with Becky.
06:33She's doing anything...
06:34Yeah, we got very close, me and Becky in the end,
06:36and even now, you know, I've still talked to Becky,
06:38even as of this morning.
06:39I'll tell you, it ain't funny, Jeremy.
06:41She can't even lie, she was even lying this morning
06:43and she tells me I'm the liar.
06:44Apparently, if I fail this lie detector,
06:46you're going to give her 60 quid,
06:47from Shannon to Becky to Becky to me.
06:51How did I get involved in this?
06:53Well, apparently, you're giving her 60 quid
06:55if I fail my lie detector today.
06:59Maybe you might want to call Becky.
07:01She says you're a loner, you're pathetic,
07:03you're a compulsive liar, and...
07:06I'm a loner.
07:07You're a woman of the night, she's too chunky,
07:09she wears too skimpy tops, that's what she basically said.
07:12Well, look, I'm not being harmful,
07:14but if you're a prostitute...
07:15Hands on the Jeremy car, show that one.
07:25I'm a little bit confused.
07:27You are with Darius.
07:28Is he here for a visa or for a good time?
07:30No, the point is, he'd come over here to work
07:32because their wages over in Romania are better.
07:34He doesn't need a visa or a work permit
07:36to legally work in the UK.
07:37And if he was here to get a visa...
07:39Are you in love with Darius? Yeah.
07:42Yeah.
07:45That's Romania, it's in here all up.
07:47Er, anyway...
07:49So, you and Darius invited Danielle over to your house, why?
07:52Because she was upset because her...had gone off taking drugs.
07:55And you were quite... You were being nice to her.
07:57Did you know she was a prostitute? Yes, I did.
07:59So you invited her over, you say,
08:01we bought her a Chinese and gave her some money for tobacco.
08:05I never said I gave her money for backy.
08:07She got Chinese, she had some of my tobacco,
08:09which she can't complain about cos she had none.
08:11Brilliant. And then we lent her some money.
08:13Was there a meeting about tobacco, guys?
08:15No. I never even said that!
08:17Prawn balls and a wrapper.
08:19She stayed the night.
08:21Bear with me.
08:22She stayed until, like, half five in the morning and left
08:25before I'd even got up.
08:26What's this money?
08:27She says you're stitching her up
08:28and trying to ruin her friendship with Becky.
08:30I've got no reason to ruin her friendship with Becky.
08:32Talk to her, I'm confused.
08:33I've had a nearly eight-year friendship with Becky.
08:35I don't care if she's friends with someone else.
08:37That's why, in the beginning, let me just get this out
08:39and you can confirm this with Becky, right?
08:41Me and Becky had a fallout over something really stupid
08:43and Becky passed a message to Shannon
08:45to say that she was all right with me,
08:46but Shannon never passed the message to tell me
08:48that Becky was all right with me.
08:49And then when we told her that we were back to being friends again...
08:52LAUGHTER
08:53When we told her we were friends again,
08:55all the reply we got was, OK, cool,
08:56surely if that's your best friend and some girl that you hang
08:59and spend a lot of time with,
09:00surely you'd want them to be friends and get on
09:02so you could all hang out together?
09:03Not this girl.
09:04Even though you started between me and Becky?
09:06I've absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
09:09With the £60 that you say she took,
09:12why was there £60 out?
09:14Because she asked for her money.
09:15The day before, her ex-boyfriend gave her £50 to get her telly out
09:18and because her ex-boyfriend had pawned it...
09:21Sorry, but you can't mention his name.
09:22Oh, don't give a... Daniel.
09:23AUDIENCE GROANS
09:25Her ex-boyfriend then had pawned it
09:27because he wanted money for his drugs.
09:29Yeah, and that's...
09:30No, no, no, I'm really talking!
09:32I'm talking!
09:33AUDIENCE GROANS
09:36Don't do that at all. Oi!
09:38Oh!
09:39What are you going to do?
09:40Yeah, yeah!
09:41You took my little...
09:43You only got to get the...
09:45You want to drown me?
09:47Yeah, come on, then!
09:49Yeah!
09:51Go and get your freezer car.
09:53No, Daniel.
09:54Jesus, boy!
09:56Please, thank you.
09:58Are you all right?
09:59No, you get her back out here to do this
10:02cos I know I'm not... lying!
10:04Yeah.
10:06I heard you've been here on national TV
10:10and admitted being a prostitute!
10:12Now, what person that was lying would come on a show
10:15where the whole of Great Britain can see this
10:17and admit to being a prostitute?
10:20Right, I'm slightly...
10:22I won't take the case!
10:24I don't know how long I've been...
10:26Oi!
10:27I'm not...
10:29Oi!
10:30You do not do... Oi!
10:32Come here. You, now.
10:35Sirius!
10:36Oi, you get out of the way.
10:38Oi, oi!
10:40You do not come out and do that to anybody
10:42or you'll be out, OK?
10:43And you do not lash out...
10:45But his hair just wouldn't go home!
10:47Why are you shouting at me?
10:48You're not shouting!
10:49Because you know you're lying!
10:51You didn't even want to do the lie detector
10:53on the way up here!
10:54You chickened out!
10:56Take a seat, Shannon. Just sit down...
10:58Let a fat rat do what she wants to.
11:01Yeah, but that's not really going to help, is it?
11:03You've cut...
11:05Shannon, you've come out for a reason.
11:07Shannon, can I just talk to you a while?
11:10Why are you shouting so loud?
11:13Don't waste your damn time, love.
11:15Come here and listen to what I've got to say.
11:19So, did you make it up, then?
11:21No, I didn't make it up at all.
11:22Then why won't you just prove that she's lying?
11:23Oh, so she can sit there and think...
11:25You just lashed out at her, mate.
11:27You can't do that.
11:28She should lie about me.
11:29But if she's lying, look at me, babe.
11:31No, please, just leave me alone.
11:32I'm not going to chase you everywhere.
11:34You can't just walk off, can you?
11:38I'll give her a minute.
11:40She seems to be on the Olympics.
11:43She's not very happy.
11:51Who are you?
11:52I'm Dingo, mate.
11:53Why are you coming out attacking everybody?
11:55Did I attack anyone?
11:56Just sit there and be quiet.
11:57Did I spit at anyone?
11:58I mean, what was that about?
12:02She just doesn't...
12:03I think she's running away scared,
12:04cos as I've just been saying to these lovely audience,
12:06yesterday morning,
12:08as we were literally on the way to Manchester,
12:11there was another guy that was all of a sudden thrown into the mix
12:14who could have took the money, and then...
12:16Did you take the money?
12:17No.
12:18Why is she so angry?
12:19I've done this a long time.
12:20Because I told Becky...
12:21She's seriously angry.
12:22Cos I told Becky that it was her,
12:24that they got paid and they didn't pay her.
12:26Have we gone to a break yet?
12:28No. Would you like to take one?
12:29Yes, can you just...?
12:31Can you just say, we'll be back in a minute?
12:33We'll be back in a minute,
12:34because this has got to be dealt with, cos I'm not a liar.
12:38So you've come to do a lie detector
12:40to prove that you didn't steal the money.
12:42We asked you, Shannon,
12:43did you lie when you said that you left 60 quid in your bedroom for Danielle?
12:47I've got proof of that, Danielle!
12:53Have you been betrayed by someone close to you?
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13:17CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
13:26Welcome back. Before the break...
13:30Right, so, Danielle and Shannon, who's somewhere in Manchester...
13:35Oh, there we go.
13:37They were friends.
13:39They took pity on you, invited you over, bought you some food.
13:43Their accusation is that £60 you wanted and you took.
13:48You're saying they've made that up
13:50because they owed a friend called Becky money, a mutual friend,
13:53and because Becky thinks they haven't paid back the money,
13:57they're very angry, everybody's fallen out.
14:00Oh, now they're back in the studio.
14:02So you've come to do a lie detector
14:04to prove that you didn't steal the money.
14:06Yes, I have. And she's gone absolutely ape
14:09with her boyfriend Darius, who comes from Romania.
14:12He's just here for his bloody visa, but, yeah, all right.
14:15That's your accusation, not mine.
14:17And then Dino, who used to be with her, he's not with you.
14:21No, we are just friends.
14:23I've got... Oh, God. There's a statement...
14:25I've got a complicated relationship at home.
14:27I don't need to get it any more complicated.
14:29I've got a complicated living job.
14:31Becky says...
14:42She expects me to come running back.
14:44Shannon owes me 150 quid and when Danielle told me
14:46instead of paying me, she was spending my money
14:48on Chinese food and gambling, I was furious.
14:50When I called Shannon, she told me it was Danielle
14:52who took 60 quid of my money and she's the one who's stealing off me.
14:55I don't know who to believe and I need to get to the bottom of it.
14:57If it comes back that any one of them are lying,
14:59our friendships will be over for good.
15:01How about we do my results and then I can just, like...
15:03What? Do my results and then I can...
15:05No, I'll just do some more walking, it seems fun.
15:08Ow. Sick of walking everywhere.
15:11I'm quite depressed about it.
15:17Sorry, am I all right? Am I all right to speak?
15:19Because I'm really confused, Shannon.
15:21I've done this. Sorry if I can't...
15:23Darling, can you tell me why you got so upset?
15:25Because all I'm trying to do...
15:27The fact that she's starting on him for no reason.
15:29Why is Dean even there? They've known each other since Saturday night.
15:32But he came out and launched himself.
15:34Because Dean came out and started on me.
15:36He's got every right. Listen, listen.
15:38He's got every right as Dean got to come out
15:40and protect his non-girlfriend. Are you jealous?
15:42No, I don't care. They can do what they want.
15:44The fact that he's here and they've known each other for four days.
15:47And he was my friend and now he's turning around
15:49and being on her side after knowing her for four days.
15:51Can we go back to this? Because I'm a little bit confused.
15:54You're saying that the money that you owed Becky,
15:56you have every intention of paying back, but that Danielle...
15:59Becky already has the money. I've already paid that money.
16:01That money was paid. It's already been done.
16:03So this is about who's lying, you or Danielle, right?
16:06So, this has got dragged into it.
16:07Darius, who's not here for a visa,
16:09you don't need to come on my show and attack people.
16:11The other one, you say, is here simply to wind you up.
16:13Yeah.
16:14Didn't you go dancing with the other one on Saturday?
16:16No. No.
16:18Sorry, I didn't dance with Dean.
16:20But you went out? I was out, yeah.
16:22With Dean? Sorry, I didn't dance.
16:24But you didn't tell him, did you? No, I didn't tell him.
16:26Why? Because I knew how he'd react.
16:28So you went out... I've got no reason.
16:30But then people watching this will go,
16:32have you just thrown a massive strop because you don't like a bloke
16:34that you're not with any more but you went out with on Saturday
16:36and so bad is your relationship with him you didn't tell him, right?
16:39Hear me out.
16:40And now he's walked out supporting your enemy,
16:42which is why you've gone mad. No, no.
16:44Well, then, why don't you show the dignity you've got
16:46and just come out there and do the results?
16:48So, who did you go out with on Saturday?
16:51Becky and Dean.
16:54Did you know she went out with Dean? No, he didn't.
16:56I did tell him.
16:57I didn't tell him because he would have kicked off
16:59and then we would have argued, so I left that.
17:01I asked her and say, me, no.
17:03Why would you do that with me?
17:05Just as a friend, right? I didn't invite him out.
17:07Oh, right. But you were too scared to tell Darius.
17:09I wasn't scared to tell Darius, no.
17:11You think she's utilising, using the situation now...
17:13Yeah. ..just to get back and score points.
17:15Because she knows who I'm willing to argue with.
17:17Yes. Well, then, go on. Prove it.
17:19I'm not going anywhere. But then people will think...
17:21I'm not going anywhere near her. Why?
17:23I'm not going anywhere near her. I don't care about my results.
17:25Well, I'll go and do... I'm not the one that sat there
17:28and lied about her whole pregnancy just to keep her...
17:32Brilliant.
17:33What I'll do is, I'll go and do her results
17:35because I like walking and then I'll come back and do yours.
17:38Is that OK with you? Yeah.
17:39Is that OK with you, Darius? Yeah.
17:41Fine. Well, that's lovely. Thank you.
17:43You stay there, Stephanie. Why don't you?
17:46Let's go for another walk. I love walking.
17:48Hello. Let's walk a bit further.
17:51It's good for you, walking.
17:53The Jeremy Kyle Show, sponsored by walking.com.
17:57Well, Jeremy, I'm not making you walk. I'm still sat here like an adult.
18:00So, she apparently doesn't want... She says you've been hiding in the...
18:03Are you using Dean today to wind her up?
18:05No, not at all. We asked Danielle, Shannon.
18:08Did you take 60 quid of cash out of Shannon's house?
18:11We asked Danielle. Danielle said,
18:13no, I didn't, I wouldn't do that and I don't like the fact
18:16you told my mate, Becky, I did. Why did you say no?
18:19Because I was telling the truth. Because Danielle was telling the truth, Shannon.
18:22CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
18:27CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
18:34Then we asked Danielle, do you know for sure who took the money,
18:37the 60 quid of cash out of Shannon's house? You said no.
18:40Can I have that? She was telling the truth on both questions.
18:43CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
18:45Becky, our friendship...
18:48Becky, I'm not sure if you can hear me,
18:50but our friendship means the world to you.
18:53I didn't lie!
18:55CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
19:07Let's get Dean out quickly. Give Dean a round of applause.
19:10CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
19:16So she said that you went dancing with her on Saturday,
19:19or you were out, she was out. Yeah, I went out, yeah.
19:21But she didn't tell her new boyfriend.
19:23Do you still want to be with Shannon? No.
19:25I even told Shannon that night, in front of everyone,
19:28me and Shannon are completely done.
19:30I hope so, she's with Darius.
19:32What about this one? Are you with her?
19:34No, I'm not. I'm just a mate.
19:36And she passed the test, she didn't steal.
19:38Yeah, and I'm proud.
19:40You know what I mean? I came on today to support her, right?
19:43And obviously, yeah, if it could have came back, as she did lie,
19:46yeah, it would have looked really bad on me,
19:48cos I'm just trying to support people.
19:50You're a lovely guy. Yeah, basically.
19:52Oh, that's a lovely thing.
19:54Please, Jeremy, I would like that test result as well.
19:57Who asked you to go out on Saturday night?
19:59Er, Bax.
20:01Rebecca.
20:03Right, so you're... I'm going... Anyway, follow me.
20:06Let's go for another walk, shall we?
20:08Here we go.
20:10Fair play, sir.
20:14Please.
20:16I'm thinking, at the risk of you shouting,
20:19you need to apologise cos she didn't take your money.
20:22I don't care whether she took it or not.
20:24Well, that was the accusation, love.
20:26She was the one that brought me up here,
20:28I wasn't the one that wanted her to come up, trust me.
20:30OK, fair enough. Sorry you've had such a bad day.
20:32Why did you do a lie detector?
20:34Cos she wanted me to prove that I didn't...
20:37She wanted me to prove that I took the money out of the account.
20:40We asked you, Shannon, did you lie
20:42when you said that you left 60 quid in your bedroom for Danielle?
20:45Yeah? Yeah. You said no? Yeah.
20:47This test says you're a liar.
21:01I am only paid to read them out, yeah?
21:04Just keep her away from me. Just keep her away cos it won't...
21:07You liar! You absolute liar!
21:09You shouted about pregnancy!
21:11Liar! Liar!
21:13Is that what you think?
21:15I've got proof of that, Danielle!
21:17Both Becky knows and I know and so...
21:21I would only say this, we'll calm this down now,
21:24but it's interesting, isn't it, that she told the truth,
21:28she came out, she said about her past.
21:31You're going to tell me that that's not true,
21:33but I'm going to say something to you, Mike.
21:35I'm not going to say it's not true. So you did lie?
21:37No, I didn't lie. There was money in my bedroom.
21:39You certainly lied to your boyfriend about going out on Saturday night,
21:42didn't you? Which makes you a liar, doesn't it?
21:45Let's be honest.
21:47Can't believe that too much of what's said in that room.
21:50Just calm down now and be a bit dignified.
21:52Now, you've nothing to achieve, you've done what you said you were going to do,
21:55you were telling the truth.
21:56She made me out to be a liar to everybody.
21:58Everybody knows you're telling the truth, plus she's gone on television
22:01and her boyfriend's only just found out she was out on Saturday.
22:04Can I just say one thing to you?
22:06Just calm it down, bring it down, you've been proven correct.
22:09I'm done.
22:10Do not get embroiled in a war or any of that.
22:12I have nothing more to say.
22:14This is my proof that I haven't lied and she's the liar,
22:17so you know what, she can stick it,
22:19she can stick any chance of ever being my friend again,
22:22she's a liar, I'm done.
22:24Brilliant.
22:26Well, that just about does it.
22:28More from the Jeremy Carl Show, is that all right, after the break.
22:30Right back, thank you very much.
22:32Jason, Mel's friends, you believe there's more going on, don't you?
22:35Yes, I do.
22:36I've heard for a very long that she couldn't go out with me,
22:40she couldn't go out dressed up, she couldn't have male friends to her house,
22:43things are...
22:44Well, you're 95% you are and you're 95% you're not.
23:18CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
23:24Thank you very much indeed, welcome back.
23:26My next guest this morning, Melissa, is here to find out
23:28if her ex-partner, Luke, is indeed the father
23:30to her seven-month-old son, Archie.
23:32Now, Melissa says that she's always had her DNA doubts,
23:34but has always been honest with Luke and says that she is desperate,
23:37actually, for the results to reveal that he's not the dad.
23:40According to her, the best thing for her and the baby
23:42would be for him to get out of their lives and leave them alone.
23:45Melissa, a bit nervous, she's on the Jeremy Carl show, that way.
23:48CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
23:54Right, I totally understand that some people, you know,
23:58you think you're going to come here and then you do and it's all fine
24:01and then when the thought of coming in front of these cameras...
24:03So, respect to you for being here. Thank you.
24:06You and Luke split in December, before that you were together a year.
24:10Yep. The child is how old?
24:12Six months, nearly seven.
24:14I'm not being rude, I'm just being honest. Yep.
24:16You say I hope he's not the dad,
24:19which would make me think that you cheated on him.
24:22No, it wasn't like that.
24:24I got with him after I basically was, like,
24:28not in a relationship with somebody,
24:30but we were just, like, friends with benefits, basically.
24:33Friday-nighter. Friday-nighter.
24:36Yeah, and basically, I can't mention his name.
24:39Who? The other one? Yeah.
24:41So, if it's not Luke, it's, I can't say his name,
24:43and if it is Luke, it's not, I can't say...
24:45Why did I do that? I can't say his name.
24:47Yeah, that's right.
24:49The truth is, is that very quickly after you got with Luke,
24:52you discovered that you were pregnant. Yeah.
24:54What did he... I mean, were you honest to him from the outset?
24:57I was honest from day one. I said to him I was pregnant
25:00and he knew that I was in a, like...
25:03You told my team, I'm 95% sure he's not the father. Why?
25:07Because it was dead soon after, when I found out.
25:10Is it wishful thinking, though? Because you say to my team,
25:12I hope he isn't the dad, it was a rubbish relationship,
25:14and he was aggressive. Yeah, but he used to...
25:17It seemed like that he used to try and control me.
25:20People warned you, though, didn't they? Yeah, my...
25:23Right, she slept with him. No.
25:25That happens on this show, and the mother, and sometimes the father,
25:28so, you know, it's fine. No.
25:30Archie, your son, thank God you haven't done this.
25:32Luke is not on the birth certificate. You say you tried to force that,
25:34but you weren't having any... No, but he is. He is.
25:38Shh, it's my time to speak, thank you.
25:41Oh, hello.
25:43Sorry.
25:46I can't read. Luke forced his way onto the birth certificate.
25:49Even though he's not the dad, in your mind, by 95%.
25:52It felt like I was pushed into a corner by him
25:55and I was basically scared of him.
25:57You said, I don't really now, looking back,
25:59even know what I was looking at.
26:01This is a guy who was permanently off his face on weed, didn't work,
26:03didn't provide for the kid, wasn't particularly nice to me.
26:05You must have been relieved. Did you finish the relationship? Yes.
26:08Are you in a new relationship? No.
26:10Who's Jason?
26:12My friend that I've known for quite a long time.
26:15I was with him about four or five years ago,
26:17but since then we've been best friends.
26:19Shoulder to crown after Luke, yeah?
26:21No, he's just like a best friend.
26:23Any friends with benefits? No.
26:26No.
26:27When was the last time that Luke saw his potential child?
26:30I let him come and see him over Christmas.
26:33He spent Christmas with him and then...
26:35Is he a good dad?
26:37I think he could be.
26:38Then why are you saying you wish he wasn't the father?
26:40Because he doesn't do anything.
26:42But why would you do anything if you don't know the truth?
26:44And I'm just being honest, I'm not having a go. Yeah, yeah.
26:46Why wouldn't the two of you wanted to have done it
26:48the minute the kid was born to get the truth?
26:50I wanted to do a DNA from day one.
26:52Does Luke still want to be with you? I don't know.
26:54I have to tell you, I think he thinks something's going on
26:56between you and Jason. No, he doesn't.
26:58Did you share a hotel room with Jason last night? Yeah.
27:00He slept in a single bed, I had a double bed.
27:03The hotel rooms I provide have a double and a single bed in, do they?
27:06Yeah. Damn's that better than my hotel room.
27:08I'm going to move in there, I think.
27:10So you've got a double bed and a single bed and you get breakfast.
27:12Yeah, we have breakfast. I got there at ten o'clock to a camp bed.
27:14I got nothing for breakfast.
27:16This whole situation's wrong.
27:18So you're not sleeping with Jason.
27:20Do you like Jason like that? No.
27:23100%. We're just best friends.
27:25All right, nice. Who's Tina?
27:27That's Luke's sister.
27:29Since they split three months ago, Melissa hasn't allowed Luke to see Archie.
27:31I do think that Luke is the father.
27:33There are too many similarities between them.
27:35Melissa needs to stop using their kid as a weapon.
27:37If Melissa knew there were serious DNA doubts,
27:39she shouldn't on occasions have told Luke he was definitely the father
27:42and Archie shouldn't have Luke's surname.
27:44How do you answer that?
27:46Like I said, I felt like I was pushed back into a corner.
27:49Yeah. I was scared of him.
27:51But is it now, wishful thinking,
27:53I wish he wasn't because actually that would be easier for you
27:56because you don't like him very much?
27:58If he is the father, then there's ways for him to see him.
28:03Yeah. I understand that.
28:05Does Jason know Luke?
28:07Yes and no. What does that mean?
28:09Yeah, he's met him, but he doesn't know exactly what he's like.
28:12Oh, they didn't used to be best mates? No.
28:14Well, I'm just asking, you know, cos that usually happens.
28:16So he hasn't seen the kid for two and a half months.
28:19You split three months ago. He was aggressive, he was horrible,
28:21he's never provided, he forced his way onto the birth certificate.
28:24He sort of controlled you. You'd wish he wasn't the father.
28:27You're 95% sure that he isn't the father,
28:29but you've never told him that he is. Would that be a good summary?
28:32Yeah. You've done quite well, me, haven't you?
28:34Let's get Luke on the Jeremy Carl Show that way.
28:36CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
28:42How are you doing, mate? You all right?
28:44Now, that's a suit, isn't it? How are you, son? Yeah, I'm not too bad.
28:46She hasn't painted a very good picture of you, Luke.
28:48No, a lot of it's fabrication.
28:51What do you mean by that? I mean...
28:53Were you aggressive? No.
28:55Have you provided? Yes.
28:57Did you force your way on? I was there at the birth.
29:00I was there for the birth certificate.
29:02She's saying I forced my name on the birth certificate.
29:04What did I do? Have a gun to your head?
29:06No, but you said to me that you want your name on that birth certificate
29:09and I felt scared of you and you know I felt scared of you.
29:12I know you felt scared of me. Don't get me wrong, Jeremy,
29:14I've had times where I've blown up and stuff like that.
29:17You know, I'm a hothead.
29:19But I've never once raised my hands to you. I've never once...
29:23Have I? Yeah, you have. You threatened to hit me.
29:26OK. All I'm here to do...
29:28Does that mean you're out of, or what?
29:30No, no, I've never once... OK.
29:32My main reason I'm here is for my son.
29:34Do you believe he is your son? Yeah, yeah.
29:36She says 95% you're not. Yeah, I'm 95%.
29:38Well, you're 95% you are and you're 95% you're not.
29:41Jesus, this is weird.
29:43You know what, the 5% that I'm not
29:45is because of the mind games that Melissa was playing.
29:47Has she ever told you you are the father?
29:49She's 50-50. So she's never told you you are?
29:51She's told me I am and, like, the other guy could be, you know...
29:54Do you know the other guy? Who? The other potential...
29:57The other guy? Yes. Right.
29:59Well, not as friends, but I know who he is.
30:01Oh, good. Jason, Mel's friend,
30:03do you believe there's more going on, don't you?
30:05Yes, 100%. There's nothing going on between me and him.
30:08It's only the fact that... Are you jealous of that?
30:10Are you still in love with her? Of course I'm...
30:12You know, she's the mother of my child. Of course I love her.
30:15I haven't come on here... So then, if you love me,
30:17why did you used to treat me like...
30:19Do you know what? You know, I was heavy on...
30:21Like I said, I was heavy on the weed. I was...
30:23Are you still on the weed? I smoke it now and again, not as much.
30:26Because I work now. No, it's not a good role model.
30:29No, not 100%. I'm not a good role model.
30:31You've obviously watched this. I've got nothing else to say.
30:35So, are you still smoking weed?
30:37I smoke, you know, a lot less than what I did.
30:40She said that one of the things that she doesn't like
30:42is that you haven't provided or stepped up.
30:44I said, why should he, until he finds out the truth.
30:46My next question to you is very simple.
30:48Why wasn't it you who phoned this show or her to get a DNA?
30:51To be fair, I didn't want to come on Jeremy Carl's show
30:54and spread it over the whole of the UK.
30:56I don't want to do that.
30:58Well, how were you going to get it sorted?
31:00Well, through courts. It was the only way I could...
31:02But you can't afford to go through courts.
31:04I'm on, obviously, benefits, aren't I?
31:07I thought you had a job. Yeah, I do, but...
31:09So you have a job and benefits?
31:11My money out of... No, no, no.
31:13My money out of me working gets taken out of my benefits.
31:16So I tell the benefit office I'm working,
31:18I do a certain amount of hours, they take it out of my benefit.
31:21And it hasn't been provided for you, son, for the last two months?
31:24Right, that's because you haven't got a bank account.
31:26I don't need a bank account. You haven't got a bank account.
31:29There's other ways to put that money...
31:31You explained to me how, yeah, and I would have done it.
31:33The problem is...
31:35Oh, this sounds like it's going to be fun.
31:37What's it got to do with you? Oh, God.
31:39You've got nothing to do with this.
31:40Could you sit in the middle?
31:42Jason, who's not apparently sleeping with Melissa,
31:44can you sit in the middle?
31:54Yeah?
31:56LAUGHTER
32:01You anything to do with our son? What?
32:03You anything to do with our son?
32:05Am I anything to do with your son? Yeah.
32:07Who's the one... Are you here for our son?
32:09Are you anything to do with my son?
32:11I'm here to support Melissa.
32:14You shouldn't be here. What?
32:16Of course I'm here. I said you shouldn't be here.
32:18It's to do with us. It's our child.
32:20Yeah, but you've helped bring somebody.
32:22At the end of the day, yeah, I give a... about that little boy.
32:24No-one else. Why do you think I...
32:26No-one else, yeah. Why do you think I...
32:28I haven't come on here yet. ..have come onto Jeremy Tyle
32:30to try and get the DNA test done? Yeah, I understand you've come...
32:33Are you sleeping with her? No.
32:35You'd like to be, though, wouldn't you? No.
32:37I have been about four-and-a-half year ago.
32:39What, that's it? No, you're just mates now.
32:41Yeah. What have you heard from Melissa about Luke?
32:45I've heard that he was violent,
32:47that she couldn't go out with me, of course,
32:49she couldn't go out dressed up,
32:51she couldn't have male friends to her house, things like that.
32:54You're telling me I could have male friends to my house
32:56without you accusing me... No, don't get me wrong, I did get...
32:58..of sleeping with people. Yeah, I did get jealous.
33:00You know, it's the end of the day.
33:02And what did you say when we had an argument?
33:04What did you say when we had an argument?
33:06I wish that my son isn't... He comes to my house the whole time.
33:10I'm not allowed to speak to women.
33:12No, I did not. Never stop you from speaking to women.
33:15I let you speak to your other...
33:17I can't mention the name, but I used to let...
33:19I used to let you speak to your...
33:21..to come to my house if she wanted to.
33:23Imagine the opposite sex speaking to each other
33:25but not having physical intercourse. Shocking.
33:27This is about my son that passed away.
33:30Here's my father. OK, well, that's fair enough.
33:33Do you believe that Luke is the father?
33:35Er, well, I'm, like, 60, 40 feet wide. Oh, Christ.
33:39We've got two...
33:41There's a cute...
33:46..cute kid. Do you miss him?
33:48My boy. He's the apple of my eye.
33:50What if he isn't your boy?
33:52It would destroy me, but I'm there for him either way.
33:55If Melissa still wants me to be a part of her life, 100%, I'm there.
33:58He's cute.
34:01I love Melissa to pieces.
34:03I think he looks like his mum. He looks brilliant, doesn't he?
34:07He's a handsome boy, what can I say?
34:10Like I say, he's the apple of my eye.
34:12I never say Melissa off. She's done a brilliant job with him.
34:15And she has done. It's just...
34:17What's the truth, yeah? Should we get the truth?
34:20Please. Jason, you might not be the daddy.
34:22No, no, no. Just asking.
34:24Can you what? I want to watch this.
34:26I want to watch him while I'm listening.
34:28I want to watch him while I'm listening to the results, please.
34:35The DNA test results show that Luke...
34:40You told my team you were 95% sure that he's not.
34:43Yeah.
34:45You told my team, Luke, that you're 95% sure he is.
34:48You said 60-40, which didn't help anybody.
34:53The DNA test results show that Luke IS the child's father!
34:56Jason!
34:58Come on!
35:00Yes!
35:02Yes, that's what I'm talking about!
35:04That's what I'm talking about!
35:09Happy? Happy?
35:11Come and talk. Come and be dignified now.
35:20Melissa.
35:22Melissa.
35:24Melissa, why are you crying?
35:26Melissa, he loves...
35:28Melissa, he loves...
35:30Sorry about how I was.
35:32I like you. I absolutely... Melissa, he's...
35:35Melissa, he's not a bad bloke.
35:37You might have had a bad relationship,
35:39but I genuinely believe he loves his son.
35:41And do you know what, Jason? Fair play to you just then.
35:44It happens.
35:46People have children, they split up.
35:49I'll tell you one thing I do believe.
35:51Are you still in love with him, Melissa?
35:55Melissa, are you still in love with him?
35:59Melissa, are you still in love with him?
36:04No.
36:06No, that's... You know, that's fine. That's fine.
36:11You're not bad people and actually you can make this work for the kid
36:14and Jason, you've blown me away cos he's dead right.
36:16He said you will make this work with everybody's help for the sake of Archie
36:19and for me it's nice cos a lot of people, you know, they scream and shout
36:22and they allow their own war.
36:24Let's be perfectly honest, he wasn't perfect, you weren't perfect...
36:27Can I just say something? Oh, God. Yes?
36:29The only reason why I thought that he was not his
36:31is cos people got in my head.
36:33Yeah, that's true. People got in my head.
36:35That's 100%.
36:37He hasn't seen his son for two and a half months.
36:39Can we take him to the green room and show him, yes?
36:41If I can be there. Of course you can.
36:43And you are a top man. You stay there.
36:45Come with me, guys.
36:47Oh, this is quite nice. I'm quite surprised.
36:50Come on. Just one thing.
36:52The minute you go in there, no more arguing ever again.
36:55OK? No more arguing.
37:03OK? Can we not do this nicely?
37:05Yeah, yeah, of course. Look at the pride.
37:07Look at the pride in his face.
37:09I am literally, like, over the moon.
37:11Hello, mate.
37:13Hey!
37:18Hello, beautiful.
37:22Hello.
37:29Hello.
37:31Can I tell you something?
37:33This is going to be OK if you concentrate on this kid.
37:36There's still something between you two,
37:38and there's been a lot, but concentrate on him.
37:41Hello, beautiful.
37:43Hello. Hello.
37:45Hello.
37:47Yeah, Daddy.
37:49Yeah, that's your daddy. Yeah, I'm Daddy.
37:51Make it work for his sake and we'll help you, all right?
37:54Give him a round of applause, guys. Thank you very much indeed.
37:59Nice! I actually think they'll sort it out for the sake of that kid.
38:02We'll let you know and we're back with more from the Jeremy Carr Show
38:05after this break. Don't go anywhere.
38:07You haven't seen him for 45 years. He left when you were a baby.
38:10We both miss out not knowing each other.
38:14Love nothing more to see you again.
38:44Thank you, my friends. Welcome back.
38:46My next guest today, Helen, is here to make an appeal
38:48to find a long-lost father.
38:50Now, her search, check this, for a dad, has lasted 45 years.
38:55And still to this day, no communication,
38:59she hasn't even seen a picture of him.
39:01She told my team that finding a dad would mean the world,
39:03but despite looking for him her whole life,
39:05she hasn't seen a picture of him.
39:07Helen, welcome back.
39:11She told my team that finding a dad would mean the world,
39:13but despite looking for him her whole life, she hasn't had any luck.
39:16She said, I've come here, I didn't really want to be here.
39:18Nice.
39:20Last bit of hope that I've got, whatever you can do,
39:23if you can jog somebody's mind, that will help me.
39:25She deserves huge respect for being here.
39:27Helen's on the Jeremy Carr Show. That way.
39:37How are you?
39:39I'm nervous, I'm a bit nervous.
39:41I'm not quite sure how I feel when people say
39:43the Jeremy Carr Show's the last resort.
39:46Well, there's a lot I've done in my time
39:48just to try and find where my dad is.
39:51Can we have a bit of fact, though? Bless your heart.
39:53You're 47, you're coming on the show, you said,
39:55because you saw somebody else do it to make an appeal.
39:58You haven't seen him for 45 years.
40:00He left when you were a baby. What do you know, Helz?
40:03The only thing I've got in my mind
40:07is when I came across a photo
40:10and he had two babies in his arms.
40:13One was me and one was my dad.
40:16And he just left. What were you told?
40:19I don't know. I don't know why he left.
40:21You were told that your dad didn't want to know you?
40:24I got told nothing.
40:26I'm the black sheep of the family and I get told nothing.
40:30It's interesting as well, because a lot of us
40:32take stuff like this for granted,
40:34and people use that phrase, black sheep of the family,
40:36but you said, this is like a big hole in my life,
40:38and I just need to know. You say, I've looked for years.
40:40What have you done? What have you tried?
40:42I've tried writing to places, I've tried looking on the internet.
40:45I've tried all sorts. I do not get any reply anyway.
40:49Whenever we ask people to come and do an appeal,
40:53they all say a variety of things.
40:56I thought what you said is brilliant.
40:58You said you're scared, excited, overwhelmed.
41:01I guess the thing to do is, and I need to say this to you,
41:04on a serious note, you can't be too hopeful.
41:07We'll do what we can, but I don't want people get up and down.
41:11You've written something, haven't you? I have.
41:13Is this what you know, or is this just...?
41:16It's just a... Oh, bless you.
41:18If you want to do it down camera three.
41:20..something that I would like to get across.
41:23Dear Peter, I've been searching for you
41:26for as long as I can remember.
41:28I know in my... I know...
41:31I know your name is Peter, living in the Gloucester area.
41:35I last saw you at the age of three.
41:38We both... We both...
41:42We both miss out not knowing each other.
41:47Love nothing more to see you again.
41:50Please get in contact, as I have spent all my life knowing who you are
41:55and wondering what you look like.
41:57Your daughter, Helen.
42:00APPLAUSE
42:07You know, coming here is my last resort.
42:09We've spoken to him. Have you?
42:13He can't be here, but we've spoken to him, he's sent some photos.
42:16Have a look at that screen.
42:20Is that you? I just don't know.
42:23Well, it's not you on the right, is it?
42:25Let's be positive. I'm hoping that's you on the left, my darling.
42:28We got others? That is you.
42:32Oh! Is that him?
42:34That's you and him.
42:36And that's on his wall at home.
42:39We tried to get him here, it wasn't possible,
42:42so we didn't have to beg, cos he's done a little message for you.
42:46Is that all right?
42:48Can we please play this now, as loudly as possible?
42:52Hello, Helen. This is Peter, your dad.
42:55Well, what a surprise. I'm really pleased that you were trying to find me,
42:59as I've been trying to find you.
43:01Now we are getting close, and hopefully it won't be too long
43:04before we meet and there'll be a lot to say about the past
43:08and the fu-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du.
43:14I lied, he's here. Peter's on the Jeremy Garfield, that way.
43:18CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
43:25CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
43:50Come and sit down, guys.
43:56How are you? Not too bad.
44:00I want you to just breathe,
44:02cos I really like what I read about you, Peter.
44:06Tell her what you told us.
44:10In regards to my upbringing?
44:12Well, really, just how this happened, why you left.
44:15Cos you take the blame, don't you?
44:17Oh, totally. Oh, yeah.
44:21I...
44:24The point is, we were all victims of my upbringing.
44:31I was put in Children's Home when I was two.
44:34Yeah?
44:36And along the way, I was...
44:39Six different schools I went to, six different...
44:42I got foster parents, Children's Homes and all the rest of it.
44:45And in actual fact, I never learnt to bond.
44:50No feelings for anybody, it was just there, people were there.
44:53Today they're gone, today I'm gone,
44:55tomorrow, friend, tomorrow, gone.
44:57And that's how it was.
44:59Now...
45:01I got to the stage where...
45:05..in my 20s...
45:08..I did what people do.
45:13They get married. Why?
45:15Because you can.
45:18Also, it's what adults do.
45:21That's all I did.
45:23But nobody actually told me anything about love,
45:26getting married for love or anything like that.
45:30So I didn't know what any of that was all about.
45:34So, to be quite honest,
45:36the marriage was doomed before it even started.
45:39You children...
45:43I have had these photographs all the way along.
45:46You've beaten yourself up for years, haven't you?
45:48Yes. Oh, yeah.
45:50He said, I've waited all my life to get this opportunity.
45:54I'm overwhelmed, I'm emotional, I've tried.
45:57And all I wanted to do before I went to my grave was say sorry.
46:00He's a nice guy.
46:02Yeah.
46:05It's all right.
46:09I'm really grateful for this opportunity.
46:11I got in contact with...
46:13He's been looking for you for years as well.
46:15I have. Have you remarried?
46:17Yeah, I've got a wife, Hazel.
46:19You got kids? No children, no.
46:22So, I actually left when I left.
46:27There was a woman involved.
46:29But in actual fact, did I leave with a woman?
46:33No, she left with me.
46:35You know what, you don't...
46:37Peter, you don't have to say any more.
46:39A lot of people come out here and they put up a wall you haven't.
46:42I think the most important point is that we've reunited you.
46:46You've done... Well, we've done what we said,
46:48but from here on, we support you.
46:50Because the thing is, you have to understand, Hazel,
46:52it's very exciting and it's wonderful, but it'll take time.
46:55It'll take time for all of it to come out.
46:57You think, at 47, you don't even remember your father,
47:00and we're delighted as a show to put you back together
47:02and we will support you and help you.
47:04You happy? I am very happy, thank you.
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47:13Are you going to leave then? No.
47:15We're going to make something of it.
47:18We'll make something of it.
47:20And there's something else you need to know as well, isn't there?
47:23You are not long ago.
47:26I gave birth to a little boy.
47:29He's 25, he's in Australia at the moment.
47:32He's your grandson. Yeah.
47:34His name's Adam. OK.
47:36Unfortunately, he's not here.
47:38He's in Australia, but that's a free holiday.
47:40Anyway, are you happy? Yeah, I'm very happy.
47:43Happy? I am very happy. Thank you very much.
47:45Our absolute pleasure. Give them a round of applause.
47:47Go that way.
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47:55I have to say, for just one minute, when we do stories like that,
47:58there's an awful lot about the people who work behind the scenes
48:01on this show, and if you are in her position,
48:04we will do our utmost to find a loved one
48:06that you perhaps have never seen.
48:08That's all the time for this morning out of time.
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48:14Thank you to my guests, this audience and to you at home.
48:16I'll see you very soon. Take care. Bye for now.
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