The Jeremy Kyle Show (13 March 2018)
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00:10On today's show, Michelle is here after a partner of seven years, Andy, recently left her for her teenage daughter.
00:22She's out of my life for good.
00:24Why are you punishing your mother, you homewrecker? Go and sit down and shut up.
00:46You maintain that you and Paul had, what, a one night stand, a relationship?
00:51No, it was f***ing buddies.
00:54Why are you out to prove it?
00:56Because he's saying to everybody that I'm the liar.
01:01You suck your face.
01:02What's that?
01:05Can you bring your son, who actually caught you having sex with him, can you bring him out of the back with me?
01:12You're the liar, I caught you f***ing my mum.
01:14Billy the Ripper.
01:24Hello, my friends. Good morning and a big, big welcome to the show. I'm your first guest this morning. Michelle is here after a partner of seven years, Andy.
01:45Check this. Recently left her for her teenage daughter.
01:51Michelle has been left heartbroken. Today she wants to confront daughter Courtney and find out if she was having sex with her man, Andy, whilst he was still in a relationship with her.
02:01She says, in order to move on, I need the truth about what really happened. It's a shocking story, this. Michelle's on the Jeremy Carl show now.
02:21Sorry, I...
02:23You're ruining my life. You're ruining my life. You're talking to someone you haven't even met your son's wife.
02:34You're talking to someone you haven't even met your son's wife.
02:37Really? I told you.
02:39That's your mother. Sit down. Get on that stage. Sit down.
02:51Sort of got a bit of sympathy for you. Sorry. So, you're with Andy?
02:58No.
02:59No, not now. Well done, Jez. You were with Andy?
03:03Yeah.
03:04Married?
03:05No. We've been seven years.
03:06Seven years. Kid?
03:07Yeah.
03:08Three?
03:09Christmas night, I went up with her.
03:11So, Jez, but, I mean, it is... Even by my standards, on Christmas night, how does that come about? How do you find that... What happened?
03:33Did you have suspicions?
03:36Yeah.
03:37How? Based on what? Tell me, babe. Take it. Just sit back and relax. Go on.
03:40Just flirting and looking, you know, just flirting with each other.
03:44Did you ask him ever?
03:45Yeah. I said no.
03:47Did you have a good relationship with him?
03:49So-so.
03:50Really?
03:51Apart from the abuse.
03:52Sorry?
03:53Abuse.
03:54Abuse?
03:55Yeah.
03:56Violence?
03:57Yeah.
03:58So much so... Sorry?
03:59He got locked up, like, quite a few times.
04:01This is a man who you're so heartbroken over with.
04:03I understand you'd be gutted and devastated if he was with your daughter.
04:07But this is a man who abused you, who went to prison, and you have an injunction out with.
04:11Yeah.
04:12So I'm hoping that, actually, there's no part of you that wants to be back with this load, right?
04:16No, no, not like...
04:17So what's today about?
04:18I just want to know when this started, all started. I need to...
04:21Why did you have him stay at your house a couple of nights last week?
04:24AUDIENCE GROANS
04:26I don't mean to be rude and it'll bother me, please.
04:28He's having sex with your daughter. I wouldn't have anything to do with him!
04:32CHEERING
04:34Why? Why is he in your house?
04:36He's in my house. He's in my house all night just to sleep on me.
04:39You sat and watched him get ready to go on a date with your daughter.
04:42I find out everything. Why would you do that?
04:44AUDIENCE GROANS
04:45Darling, I would understand... I'm scared of him.
04:47But this is my thing I don't get.
04:49He's beaten you up and he's gone to prison.
04:52No woman should want to be with him.
04:54Joe, the next thing you're going to say to me is,
04:57I worry for my daughter.
04:58No, I don't. She's out of my life for good.
05:00AUDIENCE GROANS
05:02She's out of my life. I don't want to know her.
05:04She might have done you a favour, mate.
05:06I hope so.
05:07The thing that I also supported you on when I read this this morning,
05:10this went down like a lead balloon,
05:12you won't let him... No, you won't let her see her brother.
05:15Not a chance.
05:16Now, a lot of people see... Do you know why?
05:19Because I don't want my son being brought up like her.
05:24Well, it's not that.
05:25You know all the times I've sat here and I've gone,
05:27you're wrong, whatever...
05:29His sister's sleeping with his father!
05:31She's trying to...
05:33His sister's sleeping with his father!
05:35She's not going to...
05:37You shouldn't let her anywhere near him!
05:39APPLAUSE
05:41He's not going anywhere near my daughter.
05:43What about him? Is he...?
05:45CHEERING
05:51Why are you punishing me, Dad?
05:53Why are you punishing your mother?
05:55Why are you punishing your mother, you homewrecker?
05:57Go and sit down and shut up!
05:59CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
06:02I want to get...
06:03I want to get back to this man thing,
06:06because I understand about a lack of self-respect,
06:09I understand what it's like to be humiliated, I get all that,
06:12but this guy stays in your house,
06:14has been backwards and forwards since Christmas,
06:16since the shocking moment when he...
06:18Yeah, he came back with me for a week.
06:20I took him back, I gave him a second chance for a week.
06:22After he'd had sex with your daughter?
06:24I don't... They said they didn't have sex,
06:26this is what I want to find out today.
06:28They said they kissed and cuddled all night.
06:30But why would you allow the scumbag in your house?
06:33No, I took him back.
06:35I gave him a second chance.
06:37All that worries me... I gave him a second chance.
06:39..is that you will always take him back.
06:41No, not a chance. Is he staying with his son?
06:43No. No, he should. He's not allowed.
06:45He's not allowed because I've got an injunction out on him.
06:47She thinks you're still in love with him.
06:49No, not a chance. She's not getting him back off me.
06:51I know, I've heard it all, I've heard it all.
06:53She's got the wife-beating, injunction-serving,
06:55useless father who sleeps with anybody.
06:57She's done really well, your daughter.
06:59She's on top of the world, she is.
07:01We love you, and I mean that, OK?
07:03I mean that.
07:05APPLAUSE
07:07I don't want him back.
07:09Courtney's 19. My mother's a bitter old bag.
07:12I want access to my brother.
07:14She was horrible to my boyfriend.
07:16My mum's paranoid, she thinks I was having sex.
07:18I wasn't, but I'm having loads now and he's brilliant at it.
07:21GROANING
07:23Yeah, OK.
07:25Courtney's on the Jeremy car, show that one.
07:28CHEERING
07:34You have cut my son's dad on sand.
07:37You've never seen him? Never.
07:39You used an old boy as a weapon, you are.
07:41Oh, am I? Yeah, you are.
07:43Do you want a son's head up? Really?
07:46You want a son's head up?
07:48One minute he's with me, the other he's with his sister.
07:51It's Dad.
07:53How does that even work out, Courtney?
07:55Who are you? I'm Angel, right?
07:57Sit down and shut up, because I'm speaking to the mother and the daughter.
08:00Be quiet.
08:02APPLAUSE
08:04What?
08:06You're some piece of work, aren't you?
08:08Cat in the garden, Kareem?
08:10Yeah, well, she's not... You know what he did to your mother!
08:13What did he do to your mother?
08:15What did he do to your mother? What did he do?
08:17He didn't do anything.
08:19She's horrible to him.
08:21Why did he go to prison, then?
08:23Well, I don't... That were years ago.
08:25That were years ago, that were years ago.
08:27What did the doctors say on me arm?
08:29He didn't... He didn't touch you.
08:31He didn't touch me, OK, so he didn't get arrested.
08:33He didn't drag you. He dragged me out of the taxi.
08:35No, he didn't say that. I think I saw him.
08:37He got arrested, Courtney. Stop lying!
08:40We're not even lying!
08:41Why do you want to see your brother?
08:43What, are you going to go out with your boyfriend?
08:45Yeah. No. Yeah.
08:46Why would you...?
08:48What? I've been a mum.
08:50Did you think about that when you had sex with your stepfather?
08:52Did you think about that when you were having sex with your stepfather?
08:55I had sex with him on Christmas Day.
08:57How did stepdaddy go from helping you with your homework...
09:00No, he can't have done it. ..to having sex with you?
09:02How can we work? How can we work?
09:04How did it happen that you fell in love with your stepdad?
09:06Tell me the romantic story, love. Come on, share it with me.
09:09OK, I will. That happened on Christmas Day, right?
09:12And he told me in the taxi that he had feelings for me.
09:14You can't have feelings for people, can you?
09:16So you went out, the three of you? Yeah.
09:18Yeah? And he had an argument with his wife,
09:21a girlfriend of seven years, and he thought he'd...
09:23Who he's beaten up and been to prison for beating up, by the way,
09:25and there's an injunction out.
09:27He thought he'd then say to her... When did he beat you up?
09:29..slightly naive 19-year-old stupid daughter...
09:31Yeah, when did he beat me up? About five years ago.
09:34I don't care. Hello?
09:36You know what I wrote about last... Like, Christmas shoe.
09:38Hello, hello, tell me about the romance.
09:40Michelle, Michelle, tell me about the romance.
09:43He said, I've got feelings, and then what happened?
09:46Well, then I told him that I had feelings,
09:48but we never shared it with each other cos we didn't know...
09:50You did in the taxi, so what happened afterwards?
09:52We went back to, obviously, hers, didn't we?
09:54Hers? Yeah, hers. Yeah, hers. Did you have sex?
09:56No, we didn't. What happened?
09:58We just kissed and cuddled on the sofa.
10:00Kissed and cuddled on the sofa.
10:02LAUGHTER
10:08Whilst he was still in a relationship with your mother,
10:11cos at this moment he wasn't in prison or having an injunction served on him,
10:14you were kissling and cuddling the stepfather?
10:17Well, yeah.
10:19Andy can't be here today.
10:21Yeah, because he's got an injunction.
10:23But you want her to do a lie detector test
10:25to prove that they weren't having anything intimate happening
10:28before the...
10:30Why... Can you just explain to me before I go to bed,
10:32why do you give a damn?
10:34Because it's been playing on my mind how long...
10:36Do you want it back? No, do I? No way. Yeah, whatever.
10:38It's that casted...
10:42Sorry, is that an engagement ring on your finger?
10:44No, it's not. Why are you wearing...
10:46Cos it's... I like how my finger's out.
10:48I didn't give you that ring. No, you didn't.
10:50Oh, right, OK. And... Oh, my God.
10:52So, are you living together?
10:54We're not living together. Yes, you are.
10:56I live in the corner in a bed seat for me.
10:58I stay there now and again. I don't live there.
11:00OK. You can't...
11:02Go and get money. You've had sex with him now?
11:04Yeah. Yeah? You can't...
11:06He's also had sex with your mother?
11:08Well, obviously. I've got to keep together.
11:10Well, that's keeping it in the family. Lie detector after the break.
11:13What you've been saying is well out of order.
11:16You don't know anything about this.
11:18Just sit down! Just sit down and shut up!
11:20Did you have sexual intercourse with Andy before Christmas Day?
11:23Courtney said no. Why did you say no?
11:25For the truth.
11:43It's all kicking off. Security.
11:46Oh, my God!
11:51This test says you're a liar, love.
11:54This isn't about you, this is about your children.
11:57Oh, here we go, the card in place.
11:59OK, more happiness after.
12:03Oh, get off!
12:05No, no, no, no, no!
12:09Oh, my Lord.
12:11You need Phillips Scope for this.
12:13You're the first to put up with this.
12:19There's a feud in the family tearing your family apart.
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12:53Mother and daughter, Michelle and Courtney,
12:55you have surely crossed the most ridiculously wrong line
12:58in the history of the world.
12:59You are having a physical relationship with your stepfather.
13:02You've destroyed your mother. He's not my stepfather.
13:04What? He's not my stepfather. They're not married.
13:06Has she been a good mum? No.
13:08She hasn't been there for seven years.
13:10She got moved into a dad's house.
13:12Why don't you get... Because she was on drugs and you showed drugs
13:14over all your kids, that's why.
13:15So you're punishing her by having sex with her ex-boyfriend.
13:18No, it's not punishing her. You're sure it's not scoring points?
13:20No. Who's Leslie?
13:22My friend. Oh, yeah, your fake friend.
13:25Fake friend? Yeah, they're pretending to be friends.
13:27Have you slept with her as well? Leslie's on the Jeremy card.
13:31CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
13:35You need to stop being such a non-mum.
13:37What? Cos what you've been saying is well out of order.
13:40Well and truly.
13:42What have you got to do with Natalie Norman?
13:44She knows everything that's been going on.
13:46I know everything that's been going on.
13:48She knows everything that's been going on.
13:50Lies, you've just been telling them, Angel.
13:52What have I been telling her?
13:53Can I speak to Leslie? Thanks ever so much.
13:55Les, how are you? I'm all right, Jeremy, thank you.
13:57Your mate's daughter is sleeping with her ex-partner.
14:00To anybody, that's disgusting, right?
14:02It is, it's disgusting. What has this done to Michelle?
14:05It's devastated her. What do you think of him?
14:07It's disgusting to even do this. What about her?
14:10And she's disgusting to even do it.
14:12It's a lot of nonsense.
14:14I've got a statement from MD41.
14:17Me and Courtney are in love with each other.
14:19And that's just something Michelle is going to have to accept.
14:23I'm with Courtney now and we're so very happy together.
14:26I'm not going to let Michelle get in the way of our happiness.
14:29Yes, I have a child with Michelle
14:31and I want to continue to be the great father to Logan,
14:33but I cannot help the way I feel about his sister, Courtney.
14:37I never cheated on Michelle
14:39and as soon as me and Courtney told each other how we felt,
14:42the relationship with Michelle ended.
14:45Did it?
14:47He said, this is what I love,
14:49I never cheated on Michelle
14:51and as soon as me and Courtney told each other how we felt,
14:53the relationship with Michelle ended.
14:55But it didn't, did it?
14:56Because you got off with each other, that's old-fashioned for snogging.
14:59You were in her place kissing and cuddling on Christmas night
15:03when he made an argument.
15:05You didn't finish it with your mother on Christmas night
15:07and now I want to ask you something else as well.
15:09You know he went back to her house.
15:11How did you feel about that when she gave him a second chance?
15:13Full of jealousy and bitterness.
15:15No, she wasn't.
15:17You were gutted, weren't you?
15:19Obviously a bit, but...
15:22But she said, I got him back in the long run.
15:25He must be something else for Andy.
15:27Why did he come back to me? Because he didn't want to be with her.
15:30I'm just going to give you a bit of advice.
15:32Life, OK?
15:33Certain women believe that they're going to be the ones that are going to,
15:36I don't know how you put this, tame, calm down,
15:39be happy with the badass, right?
15:42Andy is Andy, he's never going to change
15:44and I'll wager that within a few weeks, months or years,
15:48the same that allegedly happened to her will happen to you.
15:51And what concerns me, what concerns me is,
15:54is that your relationship with the one person you should be closest to
15:58has been traded because of your selfish desire
16:01to run off with a man twice your age who doesn't even care about you.
16:05And he's the best bit, because I'll tell you he doesn't care about you.
16:09All he's interested in, darling, is scoring points against his ex.
16:12Your friend's called Angel, is she?
16:14This will be a delight. Angel's on the Jeremy Carl Show.
16:19CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
16:22What's he going to do with this?
16:24Do you want to know anything about this?
16:26Just sit down. Just sit down and shut up.
16:28Look, it's apparently everything.
16:30CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
16:32Yes, it is.
16:34I can't believe what her mother's been saying to her.
16:38Yeah? Her mum's been calling us both a...
16:41Sorry? Her mum's been calling us both a...
16:44She's sleeping with her ex-boyfriend!
16:47Hold on, hold on.
16:49This is going to be one of the greatest moments ever on the Jeremy Carl Show.
16:52Do you think what your friend's done is OK?
16:55Not really. I was pretty shocked when she told me.
16:58LAUGHTER
17:00Me? Do I?
17:02I've got a boyfriend!
17:04Would you sleep with your boyfriend who'd been out with your mother?
17:07No, I wouldn't! Would you understand?
17:09Nobody else? If it's not nice...
17:11I haven't finished. Call the Jeremy Carl Show.
17:13If I haven't finished...
17:15If the person had that done to them,
17:17they'd be devastated and angry, wouldn't they? Obviously.
17:19No more questions, Your Honour.
17:21CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
17:26She took advantage...
17:28Well, actually, I don't know, maybe he took advantage,
17:31but what I haven't said to you yet is this.
17:33Bring it down a minute. She's your mum.
17:35She gave birth to you. She's no longer mine.
17:37This man is after one thing and one thing only.
17:40When you were born, you were 21.
17:42He's going to destroy you, darling.
17:44He's going to destroy your relationship with your mother.
17:46He doesn't love you. All right, then.
17:48How do you know after four weeks that he loves you?
17:51I've got to say, sir. No, no, shush.
17:53He went back to her for one of the only three weeks.
17:55Because he was missing his son. He didn't want to be with her.
17:57He was missing his son. He's going to have to get used to that.
17:59He still saw his son, can't he? He still saw his son.
18:01He couldn't stand to be near you. That's what he was saying.
18:04All he could think about was me and he couldn't stand to be near you.
18:07By the way, he's got to...
18:09Are you enjoying this? Can I tell you something that really worries...
18:12Hello, hello. Do you know what worries me about you?
18:14You're enjoying this, aren't you?
18:16But you're beginning to look really stupid and it worries me.
18:19This guy has done a job on you, hasn't he?
18:21Have you met Andy? Yeah.
18:23Yeah.
18:25Is he nice? Yeah, he is nice.
18:27Yeah? Yeah. Except for when he went to prison.
18:30She's been thinking it's been going on for months.
18:32I mean, I got left with Logan.
18:34You've been thinking it's been going on for months, right?
18:36And it hasn't. That's what I'm proving to you today.
18:38One month, can't it? How can you be in love with him? Really?
18:41I don't think so.
18:45What are you going to do?
18:47What are you going to do when Andy dumps you for somebody younger?
18:51Well, I know he's not going to do that, so...
18:53Can't he have a kid with you first?
18:55And that kid will be like, well, I don't know what it will be.
18:57Well, what happens when he moves on from you? Because he will.
18:59Just so you're aware. And you can tell me... Yeah, he'll leave you.
19:01You'll say to somebody in three weeks, three months, three years,
19:04Jeremy Calvert's right, he will dump you, love,
19:06the only reason he's with you is to score points,
19:08and he probably saw an easy way out, but here's the thing.
19:10When he leaves you, what are you going to do?
19:12You'll have no relationship with your family.
19:14I don't want a relationship with her. Whatever.
19:16Her dad is 39, the same age as me. Andy's 41.
19:19How sick is that?
19:21I'm quite warm.
19:23I'm completely traumatised.
19:25That's all I'm bothered about. OK.
19:27So you see quite a nice future for you and Andy?
19:29I do, yeah. You going to get married?
19:31I don't know. You going to have a baby?
19:33You've messed my son's head up.
19:35This is why I'm so mad. I don't want him back.
19:37Sorry, can I just work this out right?
19:39If you had a baby...
19:41I mean, I'm trying to talk about the impact this is having on Logan,
19:44and I said at the beginning of this show that,
19:46sorry, I don't think you or that man should see him,
19:48because I think you're just messing with his head.
19:50But if you had a baby, Logan...
19:55I don't know what it would be.
19:57So Logan would be your brother,
19:59and your son would be Logan's uncle.
20:04It ain't going to work, darling, with this bloke,
20:06but it's not for me to tell you. You wait.
20:08OK. Now, this is the results.
20:11Did you have sexual intercourse with Andy before Christmas Day?
20:14Courtney said no. Why did you say no?
20:16For the truth. She was telling the truth.
20:18Isn't that lovely? Isn't that lovely?
20:22Hello? Nothing happened before Christmas Day, yeah?
20:26Do you feel happy about that? Yeah, I do.
20:28Do you? Thank you.
20:34The pride. Nothing happened before Christmas Day.
20:38The pride. Where's she gone?
20:40Hello? Excuse me, do me a favour...
20:42Stop! Stop! Stop!
20:45Have you taken your microphone off? Why have you done that?
20:48You can go now. Bye.
20:50We're not going to. You can go, thank you.
20:53Come here, come here.
20:55Come here.
20:57Come here. Thank you.
20:59Come here. Is it not working, her microphone?
21:02No, it just fell off.
21:04Come here.
21:07I don't... Do you know what worries me about you?
21:10I know right now you think that you are the cat that got the cream, right?
21:15And I'm sure, in your own way, it's perfect.
21:19But, darling, this guy has got a track record,
21:22and what concerns me today is that you are trading your blood,
21:26your family, for this naive belief...
21:30Shut up. No, I won't.
21:32This is why you can't see your brother.
21:34You've took all your family away.
21:36I've still got my dad, my grandma, my grandad.
21:38I just haven't got you, and I'm glad about that.
21:40You mean that, do you? You've stopped at my house, for God knows how long.
21:43That is no age up for somebody else to feed herself.
21:45That is going. Yeah? Good?
21:47Yeah. You're actually no mum to me, you're nothing.
21:49And you're no daughter to me, neither.
21:51Look at you, run away! Must have been a mum at some point.
21:54She's got no respect at all.
21:56What worries me about you is, because I think you'd have this guy back...
21:59No, I wouldn't. Oi, not a chance.
22:02I'm really sorry with this history, Onyx. Come here.
22:05Come here, darling.
22:12You're just like a teenager running off.
22:15Wait, wait, wait a second.
22:17Darling, come here.
22:19You'd better get away from that.
22:21Listen to me, come here. Just come here, come here, come here.
22:24Get him away from that!
22:26Just come here, just come here.
22:28The truth, the truth is...
22:32You took my boyfriend, Courtney, right?
22:34I'd like to have a bit of fun. Let's come and have a bit of fun, yeah?
22:38I had a message on WhatsApp saying,
22:40if I was ten years younger from this guy,
22:43where did it say I was having sex with him, Courtney?
22:46Have you got proof? Where did it say it?
22:48What does that mean, let's have a bit of fun?
22:50It's saying, let's have a bit of fun.
22:52Can I do this differently? Can you do me a favour?
22:54Can you just go in there a sec? Just go and relax.
22:57Just listen to me.
22:59I know you don't have to take on board anything I say,
23:02but my conscience as a father tells me I want to say this to you.
23:06I think I totally get right now that you are happy in your mind
23:11and in your mind, for somebody twice your age to say,
23:14you don't know what you're feeling, you don't know what you're doing,
23:17is disrespectful.
23:19And I hope, hear me out, that it's good.
23:22Life tells me, whether you like this or not, that it won't be,
23:26that a man that can do that to his girlfriend and go off with her daughter
23:29will do exactly the same to you.
23:31So what I'm saying to you is, think long and hard,
23:34don't cut yourself off from everybody.
23:36OK, there are obviously issues with your mother,
23:38which have been exacerbated by this, I get that.
23:41But when you put your eggs into one basket at such a young age, OK,
23:45and it goes wrong, then I start to worry.
23:47Steph, come here a sec, please.
23:49Just, you have your right to make your own decisions in life.
23:52And I don't want to say I told you so,
23:54but just make sure you protect yourself, all right?
23:58That's all with your mum.
24:00Steph, all yours. Where's Michelle? Is she here?
24:05It's all right. Listen.
24:09If you are, if you're telling me the truth...
24:13Yeah, I am. I do not...
24:15..and that you're done, then don't have him in the house.
24:18No, not at all.
24:19I support what you say about the kid.
24:21I think that's a very young girl,
24:23with a lot of angst against you, for whatever reason.
24:26I don't know whether she's point-scoring.
24:29I think she is.
24:30I think she's definitely taken in...
24:32But I'm done with her and I'm done with him.
24:34I'm going to tell you something, if you're half the woman I think you are,
24:37however bad, in time the door should stay ajar,
24:39because I think she's going to have some pretty torrid times
24:42and I think she's going to need you.
24:44Listen, I'm sorry, I'm sorry it hasn't been great.
24:47We'll do our best to look after you.
24:48We're going to abate back after this, don't worry.
24:52You could have done this last week!
24:54You could have done this the last time we were on!
24:56Shut your face, you!
24:58Come on, then!
25:02Now, sit down here for a second.
25:18It's all kicking off, security.
25:27This test says you're a liar, love.
25:30This isn't about you, this is about your children.
25:33Oh, here we go, the Paralympics.
25:35OK, more happiness after.
25:39Oh, get off!
25:41No, no, no, no, no!
25:44Oh, my Lord.
25:46We've finished, go for it.
25:48Who wants to put up with this?
25:54Is someone you know leading a double life?
25:56Maybe you suspect your partner of having a baby
25:58or an affair with someone else.
26:00If you're 16 or over and you'd like to be considered for the show,
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26:27Thank you very much indeed. Welcome back.
26:29My next guest today, Karen needs no introduction.
26:31After she appeared on a previous, slightly explosive episode of the JK show.
26:34Take a look at this, my friends.
26:36You've described her as a potential lady of the night,
26:39a big fat mess and a whale who's basically a cheat...
26:42Basically, she's a control freak.
26:45She said she had an affair.
26:47She's a liar.
26:48Did you have sex with her?
26:49No, I didn't, Jeremy, no.
26:51Then prove you haven't slept with me!
26:53We asked you to do a lie detector to prove you didn't have sex with her
26:56and you refused.
26:58I've never slept with her.
27:00I don't believe you at all. Do a lie detector, then. Why would you not?
27:03Cos I don't need to.
27:05You've got something to hide, Paul!
27:07I've got nothing to hide!
27:10Get out of my relationship!
27:15You know nothing!
27:16Why don't you do a lie detector to prove that we were sleeping together
27:19beyond your...
27:21You said to my team he was terrible in bed.
27:25Yes, he was!
27:26I know for a fact Paul would not come near you.
27:29He doesn't need to.
27:30It was before I was with Lance, 11 years ago.
27:34So this is down to me.
27:35I said we've got to find out cos we're wondering who's telling the truth.
27:38So, surprise, surprise, Karen is back today with Paul
27:40for all-important lie detector results where we will find out the truth.
27:43Did they have sex?
27:45Will he admit that that's what happened?
27:47Karen is back on The Jeremy Carr Show.
27:50Give her a round of applause.
27:56What are you doing?
27:58I want this sorted.
27:59Why shouting at me?
28:00Enough's enough.
28:02He could have done this when we were on the last time.
28:04So, just cos I never asked you, but can you sit down?
28:07Yeah, I'll sit down.
28:08So, although you're now with his brother, Lance...
28:10Yes, I've known him for ten years.
28:12..before you were with Lance, let me just get this fresh,
28:14you maintain that you and Paul had, what, a one-night stand, a relationship?
28:19No, it was **** buddies.
28:21Over two months.
28:23If I wanted it, I was on the phone and said,
28:25I need it, come and get it.
28:29Simple.
28:30It wasn't a relationship, as if I wanted it, I could get it.
28:33What, sex?
28:34Yes.
28:35Was he good?
28:36No.
28:37Why?
28:38He's a one potato.
28:40And my husband's a two-and-a-half potato.
28:43It's tiny.
28:45What is a one potato?
28:47The size of my fist.
28:49And my husband's a two-and-a-half potato.
28:55Think I'm one potato, two potato.
29:00CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
29:03Steve.
29:06You could have done this last week!
29:08You could have done this the last time we were on.
29:11One potato, two potato, three potato more.
29:14That's me.
29:15Go away!
29:16Go away!
29:17Go away!
29:18No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
29:20I'm fed up, I am fed up to the bucket keeping you.
29:23And?
29:24Fed up to the bucket.
29:25Can I ask you to come out?
29:26Go away!
29:27I'm telling you.
29:28And you!
29:29And you!
29:30And you!
29:31And you!
29:32And you!
29:33And you!
29:34Oh, me...
29:35CHEERING
29:36I'm fed up with this, here.
29:38If he was telling the truth, why didn't he do the lie detector
29:41the last time we were on?
29:42Are you the two-and-a-half potato man?
29:44I am!
29:45He is two-and-a-half potato man.
29:47CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
29:50So, you phoned him up if you wanted sex, yes.
29:54He wasn't very good, it's lovely this show, isn't it?
29:57And he's like, why are you out to prove it?
30:01Because he's saying to everybody that I'm the liar.
30:05And it's not the first time he's cheated.
30:08I've seen him in my town lately.
30:10I've seen him in my town lately.
30:132.5, Potatoes, sit down.
30:15Why should I, Jamie?
30:17What?
30:17Why should I?
30:19I'm on your side, too, Potatoes, sit down.
30:21He should have done a life attack before.
30:23We've got him to do one.
30:25Be quiet.
30:25Right, listen.
30:26It's fine.
30:27My god.
30:28Anyway, this is a man you say you had sex with.
30:32He says you're a phantom.
30:33Lance, Lance, hold it together.
30:37Oh!
30:42Paul's on the Jeremy Cowell show again.
30:43Now what?
30:53Why are you so angry, Paul?
30:55Right, first of all, Jeremy, right?
30:57Right.
30:57First thing, I want to apologize.
31:02I want an apology from you.
31:04For what?
31:05Because the last time I was on, Paul, you're full of.
31:07Shut your face, you.
31:09Make me.
31:11Hey, Paul, you know what I mean.
31:14I'll screw with you.
31:16Didn't he tell you that?
31:17Well, that's the past.
31:18You shouldn't be bringing it up.
31:20No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
31:22You shut your face.
31:23Paul, stop.
31:24You shut your face.
31:25You shut your face.
31:26You shut your face.
31:27You shut your face.
31:28You're bringing this past into this.
31:30This has nothing to do with this.
31:32This is to do between me and you.
31:34You're tearing my family apart.
31:36You shut your face.
31:37No.
31:38First of all.
31:39You have no right to bring this past into it.
31:41I can do what I want.
31:42No, you don't.
31:43I can do what I want.
31:44No, you don't.
31:45Paul, why is you angry?
31:46Paul.
31:47She is a mother.
31:48Why is she doing this?
31:49Lance, Lance, if you don't shut up.
31:51Come on, then.
31:52Come on, then.
31:54Enough.
31:55Enough.
31:56Sit down and get yourself a minute.
31:58You.
31:59Hey, don't start the Jeremy Kyle show.
32:01Get off.
32:02Dad.
32:03Get off.
32:04Get off.
32:05No.
32:06On your bike.
32:07I'm out of him.
32:08Oh, wow.
32:09Do you know what your husband's like, do you?
32:10He's a cheat.
32:11He's a cheat.
32:12He's a cheat.
32:13He's a cheat.
32:14No, he's not.
32:15Yes, he is.
32:16He's been that time.
32:17So have the women.
32:18Why am I cheating?
32:19Because you've been seeing that woman, haven't you?
32:21Pardon?
32:22You go and sit down.
32:23No, not there.
32:24Out.
32:25Go.
32:26Right.
32:27As I was saying.
32:28Lance, sit down.
32:29As I was saying, right, you owe my wife an apology.
32:30Who's your wife?
32:31Pam.
32:32Why?
32:33Because you disrespected her the last time.
32:34And you haven't by cheating on her, then, no?
32:35I haven't cheated on her, no.
32:36So you're going to pass the line.
32:37No, because I don't really.
32:38Oh, my God.
32:39You don't really think I'm going to pass the line, do you, Ted?
32:40You're going to have sex with her.
32:41No.
32:42Yes, you have.
32:43Well, I'll tell you what's really funny.
32:44You're going to have sex with her.
32:45No.
32:46You're going to have sex with her.
32:48No.
32:49Yes, you have.
32:50Well, I'll tell you what's really interesting.
32:51Out of the bag.
32:52No, no, no.
32:53If I don't get an apology for calling.
32:54For what you called her.
32:55What did I call your wife?
32:56What did you call her?
32:57Change.
32:58What did I call her?
32:59Change.
33:00You can't remember.
33:01We've got Lily.
33:02We missed Paul.
33:03We've got Lily.
33:04Change.
33:05We've got Lily.
33:06We've got Lily.
33:07We've got Lily.
33:08We've got Lily.
33:09We've got Lily.
33:10We've got Lily.
33:11We've got Lily.
33:12We've got Lily.
33:13We've got Lily.
33:14We've got Lily.
33:15We've got Lily.
33:16Oh, I'm out of here.
33:17Oh, you're out of here.
33:18Why's that?
33:19Bye.
33:20Bye.
33:21Bye.
33:22Can you bring your son who actually caught you having sex with him?
33:23Can you bring him out of the back with me?
33:24Can you bring your son this way?
33:25Sorry, could you?
33:26Sorry, we've got a son here.
33:27What's the son called?
33:28There's one thing you need to do before you walk off because you look guilty, seriously,
33:29mate.
33:30Her son's here.
33:31You're insulting my wife.
33:32That doesn't happen.
33:33What did I say?
33:34What did I say?
33:35You're insulting my wife.
33:36That doesn't happen.
33:37What did I say?
33:38You're insulting my wife.
33:39That doesn't happen.
33:40What did I say?
33:41You're insulting my wife.
33:43That doesn't happen.
33:44You're insulting my wife.
33:45That doesn't happen.
33:46What did I say?
33:47You need to open the door.
33:48I'm out of here.
33:49I'm sure you are.
33:50And you're out of here because you're going to be outed, aren't you?
33:51No, I'm not.
33:52No, I'm not.
33:53No, I'm not.
33:54Oh, look, he keeps running away.
33:55Now, where's the son?
33:56Not you.
33:57I don't want to hear it.
33:58Get your son.
33:59Get your son now.
34:00Bobby, get the son.
34:01What's he called?
34:02What's he called?
34:03John.
34:04Don't shout at me.
34:05Don't say a word.
34:06John's now 18.
34:07You're the liar.
34:08I caught you f***ing my mum.
34:09He's just 18 and you f****** my mom.
34:12Stop f***ing making this.
34:21Kate shouldn't be saying that about this.
34:27Rosie.
34:30You want to fight him?
34:33Yes, he is.
34:34No, I caught my mum.
34:35He keeps running away.
34:36Because he's a liar.
34:37It's just another day.
34:38I'm out of here.
34:39He's a liar!
34:40I'm out of here.
34:41You're a jokey, pathetic boy!
34:42Come on, follow me.
34:43Where are we going now?
34:44Where are we going now?
34:45Because we've got to give you the results.
34:46Where's your wife?
34:47Can I get the wife?
34:48The lovely wife?
34:49Where's the lovely wife?
34:50Where's Keep Walking?
34:51You're going to try and go down there?
34:52Why are we going down there?
34:53No?
34:54I'm out of here.
34:55Could I get the wife, please?
34:56That'd be nice.
34:57He's out of here.
34:58Get me the stick, Mike, somebody.
34:59He's taken that off.
35:00He's taken that off.
35:01Brilliant.
35:02OK, I don't want the microphone.
35:03I don't want the microphone.
35:04I don't want the microphone.
35:08Can we hurry up a bit, you lot?
35:09I want the stick, Mike.
35:10I'm trying, but I fell over because I was trying to get in yesterday.
35:11Hold on.
35:12Here we go.
35:13Look, he's now...
35:14We're now leaving the studio.
35:15We're not leaving the studio, are we?
35:16Oh, this is what I do.
35:17Come here.
35:18Come here.
35:19Focus.
35:20Shut up and listen.
35:21He called you smug.
35:22I've got to have manners and respect for people.
35:23Well, then get him to behave himself, then.
35:24He can't just stop running around, will you?
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37:22Thank you very much.
39:51I'd like to actually welcome our next guest today,
39:53Jamie's here because he's utterly convinced that his girlfriend,
39:56Shannon, has been cheating on him.
39:57He says there's no trust in the relationship because she is
39:59constantly on social media talking to men that he doesn't know,
40:02despite the fact that she's forced him to delete all of his female
40:05friends from his Facebook page.
40:06I have absolutely no idea what that means,
40:09save to say they painfully don't trust each other.
40:11Jamie's on The Jeremy Carr Show, that way.
40:13APPLAUSE
40:17So you'll have to help me out. I'm an old man, you're a young man, 28.
40:20I'll prove I'm not cheating, but if my girlfriend fails the lie detector, we're off.
40:24How long have you been with Shannon?
40:26Seven, eight months.
40:27Love of your life?
40:28Yeah.
40:29I mean, it was good to start with, but then the doubt started.
40:32She has quite a few male friends and it makes you paranoid. Why?
40:35Why can't a woman have male friends and a man have...
40:37She can do. I never said nothing about that before.
40:39You say she has time off work to beat them.
40:41That's what I think.
40:42So you've got no proof?
40:43No.
40:44Why are you here, Jamie?
40:46Just to put things to rest between us both.
40:51I also read your story and I'm thinking, you're either very sweet or very naive.
40:55You're forced to delete any women you've got off Facebook,
40:58but she seems to have male friends.
41:00You didn't have sex for six weeks, which I thought was lovely,
41:02and now you think that's because she was having it elsewhere.
41:05Yeah.
41:06What is wrong with you? Have you been cheated on before?
41:09Maybe once or twice.
41:10What do you mean, maybe once or twice?
41:12Once I know I've liked, but obviously I'm not going to say.
41:15So would you describe yourself as insecure? Do you love this woman?
41:18Can you talk to me? Because it's a talk show.
41:21It just seems too good to be true.
41:23What, the relationship?
41:24Yeah.
41:25Mate, really?
41:26Well, you've never had a woman like this before,
41:28so you think it's all going to go...
41:30Yeah.
41:31So it's so good that you think there's got to be something wrong.
41:34So when she's at work, and actually, you know, I'll give you this,
41:38I'll be at home thinking, I'm sitting here waiting, where is she?
41:41You're thinking about it all the time?
41:43Yeah, pretty much.
41:45Do you love her?
41:46Yeah.
41:47You say, I'd be heartbroken if she fails.
41:49I'd say I'd leave her, but I don't know if that will happen.
41:51I'm just in love with this woman.
41:52Yeah.
41:53You're going to pass the test 100%?
41:55Yeah.
41:56Totally confident?
41:57Yeah.
41:58And if she does, what happens then?
42:00Are we going to have a Jamie smile? Are we going to have a romantic moment?
42:03Yeah, of course.
42:04Are you going to whisk her off to the hotel?
42:06No.
42:07LAUGHTER
42:09Really?
42:10If she passes the test, I will pay for you two to go for dinner.
42:13APPLAUSE
42:18Shannon's on the Jeremy Carr show, now, why not?
42:21CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
42:28Have you cheated on him?
42:29No.
42:30Then why are you on social media all the time to other blokes,
42:33you horrendously cheating girl?
42:35Talk to him.
42:36That's him being paranoid about me.
42:37Why is he paranoid?
42:38I don't know, past relationships, maybe, but I haven't done anything ever.
42:42Can we be honest today?
42:43I'm going to prove I haven't cheated on Jamie,
42:45and I hope you can do the same, it's breaking us.
42:47Can you tell him what he's doing to you?
42:49Cos he's driving you nuts, isn't he? And in the end, paranoia will annoy.
42:52Tell him.
42:53Obviously, it's in your head, it's just constantly in my head
42:56when you're accusing me, and I haven't done anything.
42:58It makes me think that you've done something.
43:00Now I think you've both done something, because you've accused me.
43:02I mean, it was all going wrong.
43:03I know he chatted to another woman at the beginning of our relationship.
43:06You are allowed to chat to the opposite sex.
43:09No, not like that.
43:11Cheated on me with someone else at the start.
43:13Sorry?
43:15Sorry, Jamie, you didn't mention this, Mr Paranoia.
43:18Why are you laughing?
43:20You had sex with somebody else?
43:22Yeah, like, a week into the relationship, I didn't know what she wanted.
43:25Well, that's all right, then, is it?
43:27That'll be why you're feeling slightly insecure, you idiot.
43:30It's nothing to do with her.
43:32That'll be because, presumably, you think...
43:34And all the camera men are going,
43:36I've been in that position, I'm sorry.
43:38You are thinking, I did that, she let me go,
43:41she's going to do the same score points back at me, yeah?
43:43Yeah.
43:44That's called justice, pal, that's called guilt, deal with it.
43:46What do you want me to say?
43:48Do you love him? Yeah, definitely.
43:50If he passes and you pass, what happens?
43:52He's taking you out for dinner, I'm paying for you to go to Nando's,
43:54that'd be lovely. Yeah.
43:56What's the relationship like at the moment?
43:58It's just, obviously, constant arguments about the same thing.
44:00You say things, you cheat him when you're asleep.
44:02Yeah. How does that work?
44:04Like, when he's been on nights, he thinks I'm going elsewhere,
44:06when he's at work and I'm not, I'm at home.
44:08Do you live together? Yeah.
44:10And you do nights?
44:12Sometimes, yeah.
44:14What, do you wake up sometimes and go, I'm going to work tonight?
44:16No, rotating shifts, like, sometimes it could be nights.
44:19Do you honestly think she's cheated?
44:2199% that she hasn't.
44:24And if she has, you'll accept that,
44:26because you did the same and then you move on?
44:28Maybe.
44:30Who's first?
44:32What? Who's first? Sorry, I should have said that.
44:34Shannon. Yeah.
44:36You all right? Yeah.
44:38We asked Shannon, since the start of your relationship with Jamie,
44:41have you passionately kissed anyone else?
44:43She said no. Why did you say no, Shannon? Telling the truth.
44:45This test says you're a liar, love.
44:49I haven't. I have not done that, so do it again.
44:51Read the rest of them out. Read the rest of them out.
44:53You've failed every single question.
44:55I haven't. I haven't, Jamie.
44:57I haven't. Don't start on me, I just read it.
44:59I haven't. I've just been proven wrong after 14 years.
45:02I have not. I haven't.
45:04Hold it.
45:06I haven't. But that means you've lied about something.
45:08I haven't. Why are you jumping up and down now?
45:10I have not done anything.
45:12Anything to say?
45:14I'm cop smart.
45:15At the start of the test, Jamie admitted to having sex with someone else
45:17at the beginning of the relationship, which Shannon is aware of.
45:19We asked him, since the start of your relationship,
45:21other than what you've admitted to, have you passionately kissed anyone else?
45:24She said no. Why did you say no? Telling the truth.
45:26Because it says you're a liar as well.
45:32I actually don't know why.
45:34I haven't, Jamie. I can't answer that now.
45:36Well, he's failed every single question as well.
45:40You must be a spit-shot porcelain man.
45:42I tell you what I think the best thing to do would be, I think,
45:45why don't you both just tear them up and go and get on with your lives?
45:48Cos it's obviously going really well.
45:50No, no, it's obviously going really well, isn't it?
45:52Cos you needed to come here. You can do what you want, young lady.
45:54I stand by a million per cent. You lied about something.
45:56No, I haven't lied about anything.
45:58It's amazing to watch people's changed reaction.
46:00Do it again, then. Do it again. I could do it again.
46:02Admit something happened. I haven't admitted anything
46:04cos I haven't done anything.
46:06So you believe yours or you don't believe yours? Pardon?
46:08Do you believe your test? No.
46:10Do you believe his?
46:12I don't... I don't know.
46:14Jamie, come on, why are you still sitting there?
46:16Do you believe yours? No.
46:18Do you believe hers? I don't know.
46:20I don't think I do.
46:22Absolutely rest my bleeding case.
46:24APPLAUSE
46:26Have you stitched this up or something?
46:28No, you just said...
46:30Don't insult my intelligence. Have you just said on camera,
46:32mine's rubbish, I don't believe it?
46:34Do you believe his? Well, I'm not sure.
46:36No, I didn't say, did you believe this?
46:38I said, have you stitched this up or something?
46:40Cos I haven't done anything.
46:42I'm not even going to qualify that with an...
46:44..written all over your face. I haven't got nothing written all over me.
46:46Yes, you have. You've got liar written all over your face.
46:48I haven't done anything. Yes, you have.
46:50Really?
46:52No relationship can be like this, OK?
46:54The two of you don't trust each other.
46:56Um...
46:58Not a tear in her eye.
47:00Oh, what have I?
47:02LAUGHTER
47:08Graham's doing his best.
47:10LAUGHTER
47:12Your guilt, by the way, is making you paranoid,
47:14cos you cheated. Something definitely happened.
47:16Yeah, maybe it did, yeah, but I haven't done nothing since that day.
47:18So I don't know why that test is saying that.
47:20Well, then, you and your girlfriend can go off today,
47:22knowing that you can both say it's Jeremy's fault.
47:24We're very happy together.
47:26Yeah, maybe I will. Be good.
47:28Nice meeting you as well. Nice to see you.
47:30APPLAUSE
47:36There's one good thing out of all of this.
47:38I ain't paying for dinner. See you soon. Take care.
47:40APPLAUSE
47:48CHEERING AND APPLAUSE