The Jeremy Kyle Show (06 Jan 2017)
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00:10On today's show...
00:12She called you a fatherless pig.
00:14Yeah.
00:15And said that Kevin wouldn't produce a lesbian daughter over his dead body.
00:18She called you a crackhead.
00:20Are you doing this cause trouble, man?
00:22Not really you, though.
00:23Well, it hasn't got a lot to do with me.
00:24It has to do with you.
00:25Put me down!
00:26Dad!
00:27Dad!
00:28We need security on stage now.
00:29You can't do that.
00:30You remember what I told you.
00:31You can't be in there.
00:32I'm not having you in there back to me.
00:33Because of what?
00:34Because of what?
00:35Because of what?
00:36Get out!
00:37Get out of my studio.
00:39Get in there.
00:44I am your daughter.
00:45I am.
00:46Breathe.
00:50The DNA test was our show that Kevin...
00:54Well, here, here.
00:55Half of it and half of it.
00:59LAUGHTER
01:17Morning, lads.
01:22Hello, my friends, good morning.
01:23What a big, big welcome to the show.
01:25Now, my first guest today, Cynthia, says that at the age of 11
01:27she was introduced to a man she was told was her father.
01:29Now, that man in question, Kevin, claimed to have no idea at all
01:32she even existed and after only a handful of meetings
01:35disappeared out of her life for good.
01:37She says that 20 years later, Kev turns up on a doorstep
01:40claiming that it was his wife, Jackie, that had kept them apart
01:43but said he'd now left her for good.
01:45Cynthia goes further and says that his commitment to father
01:47only lasted a week before he disappeared again
01:49and now she's wondering if he's even her father at all.
01:52Cynthia says that Kev never did leave his meddling wife, Jackie,
01:54and today she's here to confront her.
01:56She says that Jackie causes nothing but problems
01:58and tells her Kevin isn't her dad.
02:00Check this.
02:01Because he wouldn't father a lesbian daughter.
02:04You've got to feel for this girl, it's a big day for her.
02:06Cynthia on The Jeremy Carl Show, that way.
02:08APPLAUSE
02:16Really good to meet you.
02:17My voice is going, get me some water, will you, Will?
02:19Thanks very much indeed.
02:20Cynthia, welcome to the show.
02:21Potential daughter to Kevin,
02:23stepdaughter to the stepmother from hell, Jackie.
02:26To Jackie.
02:27Let's talk about that.
02:29From nought to 11, before you met Kevin, what happened?
02:32From the time I left the hospital, from when I was born,
02:36my grandmother and my grandfather took me from the hospital,
02:39brought me home and raised me as their daughter.
02:43Your grandmother raised you?
02:45Yeah, my grandmother and my grandfather.
02:47So till I was 11, they were my mum and dad.
02:49I called them mum and dad.
02:50So your nan and grandad bring you up.
02:52At the age of 11, your gran introduces you to this man, Kevin.
02:56Well, I found out when I was 11 that my sister wasn't my sister,
03:00she was my mum, sorry.
03:03I like you a lot already, seriously.
03:06APPLAUSE
03:08I mean that.
03:1011 years of age, she introduces your nan to this guy called Kevin.
03:13Kevin.
03:14And says, what, this is your dad?
03:16Yeah, we went to Kevin's dad's funeral.
03:18We were brought there and on the way there,
03:20we were told we were going to a funeral.
03:22And when we got there, we were told that it was my grandfather's funeral
03:25and I was going to be meeting my father.
03:27When I met him, he didn't even know about me.
03:30He knew that my mum was pregnant when she had left him.
03:33So no blame at that point on him for those 11 years?
03:36No, nothing on him.
03:37Are you excited to think that this is my dad?
03:39Oh, I was chuffed.
03:41He was this big, tall man.
03:43But, like, he was somebody that I kind of thought,
03:46oh, he could be somebody...
03:48A role model for you?
03:49Yeah, yeah.
03:50But if she's gone...
03:53That's the stepmother, but I want to talk about you.
03:55I felt like I belonged for the first time.
03:58I'm whatever's your mother.
03:59Sorry, who are you?
04:00I'm Jacqueline's son.
04:02All you've done is cause trouble, man.
04:04It's not to do with you, though.
04:05Well, it has got a lot to do with me.
04:07It's hard to do with you.
04:09Look, Jackie, I'm not even going to start.
04:11You told me the next time you see me, you're going to bat to me.
04:15Because of what?
04:16Because of what?
04:17Get away!
04:18Get away!
04:19Get me!
04:20Get me!
04:21Get off the stage.
04:23I want me to hit you and not...
04:25SHE SHOUTS
04:37Look at me.
04:38I don't think...
04:40Was it like that when you came back looking hot?
04:43The name's under the sun.
04:44Was it?
04:45Was it?
04:46Do me a favour.
04:47Sit down.
04:48You shut your mouth this way.
04:49Do me a favour.
04:50Just chill.
04:51Boxer.
04:52I'll show you, boxer.
04:53Yeah, yeah.
04:54Shut your mouth for me.
04:55Yeah, I will shut your mouth.
04:56What did she say?
04:57Shut my mouth for me.
04:58Get out of my studio.
04:59Get him out.
05:00CHEERING
05:05Get him out of the building.
05:08There have been some shocking things over the last...
05:10Jeremy, I'm very sorry about that.
05:12You don't have to apologise.
05:13I'm instantly and utterly...
05:14That was your father.
05:15What a gutless...
05:16I'm just like his mother.
05:17I'm just like me mother.
05:18I would rather be like my mother than be anything like that man.
05:21Anything like that man.
05:23CHEERING
05:29I'm struggling, so you'll have to help me,
05:31but 11 years of age, having met him initially, what happens next?
05:35He took me to a pub and drank for the whole day with me and her.
05:40Forget her. Let's talk about you.
05:42They were there for the whole day and never denied that he was my father.
05:45Never denied that.
05:46Then what happened? Did the contact stay?
05:48The contact stopped and 20 years has passed.
05:50Why did it stop?
05:51Just stopped. Her.
05:52I had to have been her because she didn't like me.
05:54Can I just point out, though, that there is probably in one of the notes...
05:58I want to get this quote because, for me,
06:00this is the most shocking thing about this story.
06:03I don't know the quote you're talking about,
06:05the one, he couldn't father a lesbian.
06:07That's... Yeah.
06:09He couldn't possibly be my father because...
06:11No, worse than that. Just wait one second.
06:13I'm a wild pig.
06:19Then out of the blue, one day, I got a call from Cilla.
06:22I don't know how she got my number. This is the stepmother.
06:25But I wasn't happy about it. I didn't want anything to do with it.
06:28It was Kevin's business, not mine.
06:30I didn't know who it was and the girl just asked to speak to her dad.
06:33I thought it was a wrong number because, to be honest,
06:36we'd all forgotten about Cilla. It had been 20 years.
06:39Fact. That is unbelievable.
06:42But you have a dignity that shines through.
06:44Even then, you have a dignity.
06:46From that point, 20 years, what happened?
06:48Because this story is shocking.
06:5020 years later had passed, me and my partner,
06:53we were living together and from half seven that morning,
06:57to Tuesday morning, there had been a knocking on my door.
07:00But it was too early, I wouldn't answer.
07:02It had rolled on to about half past 11 and another knock came.
07:05I opened the door to that man stood at my door saying,
07:08it's me, it's your dad. I had to ask him his name.
07:11He said, who? And he said, Kevin.
07:13For me to actually know who it was because I hadn't seen him for 20 years.
07:16I gave him a hug and took him into my house.
07:18What did he say? Why was he with you? You were excited, weren't you?
07:21I was chuffed over the moon. I got Eric out of bed.
07:23Come on, it's my dad. My dad is here. He's at my door.
07:26He came in quick, brought him in, hugged him, kissed him.
07:29We cried together. And here's the best bit.
07:31In those days when he'd come to you, he blamed her.
07:35Yeah, he said it was all Jackie, that he didn't need a DNA test
07:38because I'm 100% his daughter,
07:40that he thinks he doesn't own someone else in the family,
07:43but he's 100% mine. He said he was sorry.
07:45He didn't want to ever hurt you again. He didn't want to ever hurt me.
07:48He said he loved you. He bought you clothes.
07:50He wanted to walk me down the aisle when me and Eric get married.
07:54He went back to her? He went back to her.
07:56He was only using my house from somewhere to claim he's dole from
07:59while he was over.
08:01He got out from her house and said,
08:03I'm going to go and visit a family friend and never came back.
08:06As a result of him going back to Jackie, who you describe as homophobic...
08:09Yeah, she's 100% homophobic.
08:11..she called you a fatherless pig... Yeah.
08:13..and said that Kevin wouldn't produce a lesbian daughter
08:16over his dead body. Yeah. She called you a crackhead. Yeah.
08:19I've had to do a drug test this morning, well, today,
08:22to prove that I'm not on drugs any more.
08:24I was on drugs. I was homeless and on drugs, but I'm clean now.
08:27The way he came out and launched himself at you.
08:30Your own father. However, first out,
08:32I'll let you give the welcome you think she deserves.
08:35This is the stepmother who came out here and threatened to hit you,
08:38butt you and gave you a slap, and said,
08:40to be honest, she's a nightmare.
08:42I don't want her driving a wedge between me and my happy family.
08:45She doesn't deserve to be in her father's life.
08:48Jackie, ladies and gentlemen...
08:50CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
09:03Sorry about that.
09:05Well, sorry about threatening somebody on camera.
09:07I didn't threaten her, she... No, I didn't.
09:09No, I didn't. We saw it, it's on camera.
09:11I don't know whether you understand this is a work called Intent Left.
09:14No, I don't either. Really? Yeah. I understand what you are.
09:16About the worst example of womanhood I've ever met in my life.
09:19I don't care.
09:22I don't care. Wait a minute.
09:24You admit, don't you, that you weren't happy about this girl at all?
09:27No, I don't admit that at all. No, I don't.
09:29Why did you say that in your notes?
09:31Do you want me to read them back to you?
09:33Read whatever you want me to back. What you didn't say there?
09:36I said, when we first seen her, she was about seven years of age.
09:39So why didn't you do more about maintaining the... I apologise.
09:42Why wouldn't you do more about the contact, then?
09:44Because we didn't live in Ireland, and not only that,
09:47when he left her mother...
09:49Mine would have left him, Jackie.
09:51Well, Trevor, I met him five or six years after he was weaned off.
09:54Shouldn't you be happy that he's got another daughter
09:56and take her into your family?
09:58But listen to the situation first. Because we're gay, Jeremy.
10:01It is, Jackie. I'm not in. I've got a gay friend.
10:04Why were all of the...
10:06Quote, when this girl came into my family,
10:09I felt like I was boiling with anger.
10:11I felt like this stranger had come into my life.
10:14Did he never tell you about his daughter?
10:16He didn't know himself.
10:17Well, he's a gutless waste of space, isn't he?
10:19APPLAUSE
10:21He told me when he came to me.
10:23He told me when he came to me.
10:24Because he knew that your father is dead,
10:26so you're not that stupid.
10:28But he said he had left you.
10:30You were the cause of it. Let us speak.
10:32I don't know what he told you.
10:34And every night, I have always said,
10:36every night he left my house to go and speak to you,
10:38he was obviously saying different things to you
10:40for you to have your opinion on me, cos we had never met.
10:42Right, not exactly, we've never met.
10:45I've never seen this girl in my life, gentlemen.
10:47You saw her when she was 11.
10:49Well, I thought she were younger, to be truthful.
10:51No, I was 11. 11, right?
10:52Why hasn't your husband...
10:54Why hasn't your husband done more?
10:56My husband arranged for her to meet her the next day.
11:00Yes, we did, Jackie.
11:02We spent two days together.
11:04Hold on, sorry, can I ask you...
11:06Excuse me.
11:08The funeral and the next day, and he was gone the next day.
11:11Can I ask you a question? But that was when she was 11.
11:13It was 20 years later when he'd split with you
11:15that he knocked on her door.
11:17Let's talk about the 20 years.
11:19You said to my team, we forgot about her.
11:21This was his kid.
11:23What do you, as a woman, think it says of a man
11:25who can just push to the back of his mind
11:27that he's got a daughter?
11:29Because he didn't know he had a daughter.
11:31Well, he did, 20 years later, when he came looking for me.
11:33One of these old men's going to go up and say to him,
11:35oh, by the way, this is your daughter.
11:37He met me when I was 11.
11:39He, excuse me, excuse me.
11:41He came back 20 years later.
11:43He has children and grandchildren here.
11:45He can't just run over there and see her.
11:47That's what you said.
11:49No, he can't.
11:51That's his daughter.
11:53But we don't know, Jeremy, if she is his daughter.
11:55Then why the hell, 20 years ago, didn't he do a DNA test?
11:57We asked for the DNA test in 2011.
12:01That's five years, she's 32.
12:03Why didn't he do it when he knew when she was 11?
12:05Because she wouldn't have...
12:07I tried the DNA.
12:09I tried her DNA.
12:11I read the show in 2011.
12:13To get a DNA test.
12:15Why didn't you do it 20 years ago?
12:17Why didn't you pay for it yourself?
12:19Why should I? I had no money then.
12:21I was only young and fieldish then.
12:23Get back in the pod.
12:25I'm not interested in talking to you.
12:27What do you mean, she's... Hold on, hold on.
12:29You don't think she's your daughter?
12:31No, I don't think...
12:33Then why did you go to her house and stay with her for seven days?
12:35I don't know.
12:37I've tried everything.
12:39I met her at my father's grave.
12:41You had a row with your wife and you had nowhere to go,
12:43you gutless waste of space.
12:45It was you!
12:47You're the same.
12:49I'm what?
12:51You're a dipstick, you are.
12:53You don't even know the truth, do you?
12:57He doesn't know.
12:59You say that smugly.
13:01This girl's missed out.
13:03How come none of the family in Ireland knew about you?
13:05They knew you.
13:07Do you have any sympathy for this girl at all?
13:09You don't have sympathy for her?
13:11Why not?
13:13I understand where she's coming from.
13:15She wants to know where her dad is.
13:17You think he could have done more?
13:19If he's her dad, yes, Jeremy.
13:21So if the DNA says during this show
13:23that this guy is her father,
13:25you, his wife, not the evil stepmother,
13:27admit that he should have done a lot more
13:2920 years ago.
13:31Yes, he probably could have done, yeah.
13:33Yeah.
13:35I'll hold my hands up to that.
13:37Why didn't he do a DNA test 20 years ago
13:39when she first did 11?
13:41It's him who should do it!
13:43Yes.
13:45Kevin, the potential father after this break,
13:47don't go anywhere.
13:49I was so chuffed to find out that I had found my father
13:51and you made me feel that small
13:53when you walked away from me again.
13:55I pray to God, and I'm sorry for saying it,
13:57that she's left you a lot of that.
13:59You're just a waste of space.
14:01That's not family. Do you know what family is?
14:03Being there for each other.
14:11Do you need to find out who is the father of the baby?
14:13Do you need that all-important DNA test?
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14:45Right, welcome back for the break to Scylla and Jackie.
14:47So, you tell this story, Scylla,
14:49and you're met with huge sympathy.
14:51Today we're going to do that DNA test.
14:53You met your dad, Kevin,
14:55you were told when you were 11.
14:57He spent some time and he never bothered,
14:59then he turns up 20 years later at your flat,
15:01spends a week with you saying he split from his wife,
15:03then goes back to his wife
15:05and you don't hear from him again.
15:07You say that Jackie is homophobic.
15:09No.
15:11No.
15:13You've said that she's a fatherless pig
15:15and Kevin wouldn't produce a lesbian daughter.
15:17No.
15:19And I'll take a lie detector on that.
15:21I'm not doing a lie detector.
15:23That's totally reasonable, but on the other hand,
15:25you say you were boiling with anger,
15:27you didn't want this person in your life.
15:29And I don't.
15:31But this could be his daughter.
15:33I don't care.
15:35Well, Jackie, can I just tell you,
15:37I don't want him or you in my life.
15:43When I was in Ireland a couple of years ago,
15:45you phoned a certain person up,
15:47I can't mention any names.
15:49No, you can't, but you're right,
15:51so how long have you been married
15:53to the worst father in the land, potentially?
15:55Oh, no, he's a good father.
15:57Kevin's on the Jeremy Kyle show that way.
16:07And you wouldn't hook up in a show, would you?
16:09Don't start with me, you haven't done enough.
16:11I tried to do with you.
16:13You didn't. The weeks that you stayed with me,
16:15we got on brilliant, did we or did we not?
16:17We did, yeah.
16:19Well, I met you at my dad's funeral.
16:21We spent the full day together.
16:23Can I ask you about that day?
16:25I was so chuffed to find out that I had found my father
16:27and you made me feel that small
16:29when you walked away from me again.
16:31I tried my best.
16:33You know, when you met her at your father's funeral,
16:35I'll give you some credit, you didn't know
16:37for those first 11 years that you had this child.
16:39But when she pitches up at that funeral,
16:4120 years ago, 21 years ago,
16:43why didn't you, Kev,
16:45from that point,
16:47try and find out the truth?
16:49Why did you leave it for 20 years?
16:51Not you, not you, why?
16:53Why?
16:55I don't know.
16:57Because it was easier to sweep it under the carpet, Kev?
16:59Well, it was, yeah.
17:01But do you understand, from her point of view,
17:03it's disgusting.
17:05And then you're there going, you're no daughter.
17:07She has missed out
17:09because you swept it under the carpet.
17:11Or she'd play in happy families
17:13and people would find that appalling.
17:15I tried to do my best for her.
17:17Well, you didn't do good enough, did you?
17:19No, I didn't.
17:21No, better than this, how?
17:23How did you try in those 20 years?
17:25I went to see her.
17:27I stayed at the house with her.
17:29That was to get your social welfare,
17:31that wasn't to have a relationship with me.
17:33How controlling is your wife?
17:35There's nothing to love me.
17:37Let's take Jackie out the equation.
17:39You, yourself, decided you couldn't be bothered
17:41with your daughter, your potential daughter.
17:43That's from her own family.
17:45You came and said you didn't need a DNA test
17:47because you had no doubt in your mind
17:49that I was your daughter.
17:51Who do you think people believe today, her or you?
17:53I don't give a **** about people who do.
17:55Patently, you don't.
17:57No.
17:59You should care about the fact that you've maybe got a daughter
18:01that you've done nothing for, my friend.
18:03Well, I don't want to lose my daughter.
18:05What are you going to do if I is?
18:07Because you have told the producers
18:09that you don't even want a relationship with me if I am.
18:11You are ignoring your family.
18:13Your family. I am your daughter.
18:15I am. Me.
18:17Who's Erica?
18:19My girlfriend, my fiancée. Sorry, Jeremy.
18:21Erica's on the Jeremy Carl Show. Give her a round of applause.
18:23CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
18:31I tell you something, I tell you,
18:33I don't know where she came from
18:35because I pray to God
18:37that she didn't come from you, you piece of dog.
18:39That's all you are.
18:41And for you, and for you, what have you got to do with this?
18:43What have you got?
18:45Calm down.
18:47You know what?
18:49You're a horrible person.
18:51You're a horrible person.
18:53He's a great father. It's a hill.
18:55It's a hill.
18:57Calm down.
18:59Can I ask a question?
19:01Just very quickly a minute. Welcome to the show.
19:03Hello, Jeremy. I love your passion.
19:05You and Kevin have been married for how long?
19:0721 years.
19:09And when you met, did you have kids?
19:11Mm-hm.
19:13What? Yeah.
19:15How many? Two.
19:17Right. A daughter or a son?
19:19Both.
19:21So you've brought up her stepkids?
19:23Yes.
19:25But...
19:27At this time... I'm finished.
19:29Don't let me finish. You're not going to speak
19:31because it's the Jeremy Carl Show.
19:33CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
19:37What would have happened
19:39if this lady, when she met you,
19:41her kids had been away?
19:43Maybe in care,
19:45maybe living with their father.
19:47Hear me out.
19:49And ten years later, you discovered
19:51that she had a child.
19:53Would you have brought that child up?
19:55Yes.
19:57Gosh.
19:59Do you not think you should do the same?
20:01You're disgusting. I'm sorry.
20:03I don't even know what I'm doing.
20:05That's not Jeremy!
20:07That could be his daughter!
20:09We don't know yet.
20:11Let me just get one thing straight.
20:13Before I met him,
20:15I knew his sisters.
20:17He's always said
20:19he's got three kids.
20:21Three lads. Right?
20:23This was before I even got with a man.
20:25So if he would have known about Cilla...
20:27Nobody is suggesting
20:29you're missing the point.
20:31I am getting the blame.
20:33You won't answer the question.
20:35I accept and I said it to him.
20:37From 0 to 11, he didn't know.
20:39From 11 to 31,
20:41did you at all in those 20 years
20:43think,
20:45that could be my kid, I should do something about it?
20:47Then why didn't you do something about it?
20:49I did in 2011.
20:51Well, that's only five years ago.
20:53What about the 15 years
20:55before that?
20:57Sorry?
20:59I ain't got a clue.
21:01You were at the flat with Cilla
21:03when he turned up on the doorstep
21:05saying, I've left my wife, I want somewhere to stay.
21:07When I was lying in bed
21:09and when Cilla said my dad was at the door
21:11I was like, what?
21:13I never even heard of Kevin.
21:15Heard that he was a dad,
21:17could be a dad, all that.
21:19But in fairness, what kind of role model are you?
21:21You sat in my house for a week
21:23and you drank alcohol.
21:25You drank alcohol every single day.
21:27My dad, my father, passed away a week after you left.
21:29That's why I'll never forget that you were in my house for a week.
21:31I pray to God, and I'm sorry for saying this,
21:33Cilla, that you're not a dad.
21:35Don't fit in.
21:37You're just a waste of space.
21:39You're a waste of a man.
21:41Do you know what's really shocking?
21:43Do you know what's really shocking to me?
21:45How old are you?
21:4724. Not you. How old are you?
21:4959.
21:51And it's so shocking that a 59-year-old man
21:53sits there grinning as if he doesn't
21:55well, he probably don't understand
21:57the seriousness of what you haven't done.
21:59Even if I take Jackie out of the equation,
22:01you just look smug anyway.
22:03The truth of the matter is, look at you, you think it's funny, don't you?
22:05No, it's not funny. Who's Christine?
22:07My cousin. His niece, actually.
22:09Christine's on the Jeremy Kyle show, that way.
22:11APPLAUSE
22:19You're meant to be my uncle.
22:21You didn't even know who I was today when they said my name.
22:23You should be ashamed. I knew you.
22:25You're piping down a bit now.
22:27You should be ashamed of yourself.
22:29Do you know what it is? You're meant to be a mother.
22:31You had your five minutes.
22:33Pipe down. Get back in your boxer dress.
22:35Go on. Sit down here.
22:37APPLAUSE
22:39Who do you think you are?
22:41You're meant to be a mother.
22:43I'm a mother. I'm a mother.
22:45Jeremy, I have five children.
22:47I do it all on my own.
22:49And if I met someone and he had other children
22:51and he didn't want to know them, do you know what I'd say?
22:53APPLAUSE
22:59If we're in a telly, Jackie, do you know why I'm here?
23:01You said earlier on, if the DNA comes back
23:03that she's not even his, we're not cousins,
23:05she's mine.
23:07She's mine.
23:09Because see that now?
23:11You're what we all know about family.
23:13You and my mother, that's not family.
23:15Do you know what's family?
23:17Being there for each other.
23:19APPLAUSE
23:23Christine, what I find the most shocking thing
23:25is they both just look like they don't really care.
23:27Do you know what? I don't care.
23:29Did she do a drugs test? Have we got those results?
23:31Yeah.
23:33But, yeah, these are the ones this morning that got up and asked.
23:35They put alcohol in their toffee, no?
23:37This morning. So wait until we see them.
23:39I bought drugs. I was homeless.
23:41Have I ever seen it?
23:43And I've been clean for six years.
23:45I'll tell you what, we're going to go on a break.
23:47We'll do the DNA and those drugs tests after.
23:49We're starting anywhere. Right back.
23:51I don't want the relationship with Jan.
23:53I don't want to come between you.
23:55I don't want to come between your family.
23:57Yous have yous, our family.
23:59I just need to know whether you are or you aren't.
24:01Ask your boyfriend, do you know for sure
24:03who stole any of the money that was kept in Kate's kitchen cupboard?
24:05Your boyfriend said no.
24:11So this just in,
24:13and it's breaking news this morning, apparently, Graham.
24:15Something big is happening in Media City.
24:17Yeah, let's find out what's happening from our weatherman.
24:19There's a storm brewing, Mr Kyle.
24:27Good morning and a big, big welcome to the show.
24:39Get out of my studio.
24:41Get in there.
24:43Get off of me.
24:45Get off of me.
24:47Get off of me.
24:49Come here, come here.
24:59We're on stage now.
25:03Damn you, damn!
25:13Do you need to find out who is the father of the baby?
25:15Do you need that all-important DNA test?
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25:43With one of my team.
25:53Scylla, Scylla, Scylla.
25:55Sorry, Jeremy. You're better than this.
25:57You're one of the most dignified people I've met.
25:59We did a drugs test because she actually made massive strides
26:01to get off heroin. You said that.
26:03She has small amounts of prescribed medication
26:05for that in her system
26:07and absolutely nothing else.
26:09Totally clear.
26:13I don't understand this voluntary action.
26:15Please.
26:17See this girl?
26:19I'm glad she's up front.
26:21This is about her, not you.
26:23See this girl, 22 years of age.
26:25Me and her had the same upbringing.
26:27Nothing but family.
26:29Nothing like that.
26:31All the cousins now are trying to make it better
26:33and make things all right.
26:35But then you have idiots like this.
26:37Who are you calling an idiot?
26:39You're just piped down.
26:41She's meant to know.
26:43What did she just call her?
26:45But this is a woman who came out
26:47and threatened her stepdaughter potentially
26:49on national television.
26:51If he comes back and she says
26:53it's nothing to do with me,
26:55nothing's going to happen, is it?
26:57No, it's because he's got this massive thumbprint
26:59on his forehead.
27:07You're disgusting.
27:09I think you carry yourself.
27:11Jeremy, before you open that,
27:13I just want to say, whether you are or you aren't
27:15my father, I don't want the relationship
27:17and I don't want to come between you.
27:19I don't want to come between your family.
27:21I just need to know whether you are or you aren't.
27:23If you're not,
27:25I'm very sorry for everything that has gone on
27:27between us.
27:29But if you are,
27:31we've just got to call it off.
27:37You're also living proof.
27:39There's a lot of people who come to this show
27:41who have had bad starts, who've got into trouble.
27:43You're probably one of the most humbling people I've met.
27:47The DNA test...
27:51The DNA test results show that Kevin,
27:53what a shame,
27:55he is your biological father.
27:57Well, here, here.
27:59Half for you and half for you.
28:01You're my father.
28:03My father.
28:05She just told him not to hug me.
28:07She told him not to hug me.
28:09She told him not to hug her.
28:11Is that what you just said?
28:13I said, don't be.
28:15You're horrible, aren't you?
28:21I'm his daughter.
28:23I'm your daughter.
28:25I'm your daughter.
28:27What are you going to do?
28:29What are you going to do?
28:31Don't walk off.
28:33Don't walk off.
28:35Don't walk off.
28:37Why don't you sit down with your daughter
28:39and talk to your daughter?
28:41I don't understand what you're doing.
28:43No, no, no.
28:45You're allowed to be on his own.
28:47You're allowed to be on his own.
28:49You're allowed to be on his own.
28:57Has she seen you?
28:59I'm all right.
29:01No, no, go.
29:03I'm all right here.
29:05She's very controlling, Kev.
29:07Look at that thumbprint.
29:09It's quite big on your forehead, isn't it?
29:11I'm yours.
29:13I'm yours.
29:15No one else.
29:17I'm yours.
29:19You just told me you didn't want to be my father,
29:21so what do you want now?
29:23I'm yours.
29:25You have a daughter, your only daughter.
29:27May I add, I'm his only daughter.
29:29He has all sons.
29:31I'm his only girl.
29:33I have no daughter.
29:35She's your stepdaughter.
29:37I'm your blood.
29:39What are you going to do for me?
29:41You've had her for 20 years,
29:43so what are you going to do for me?
29:45Forgetting for a minute the fact that,
29:47quite patently, you're controlled by Jackie...
29:49There's no-one controlling me, Jamie.
29:51Then stand up and be a man.
29:53This is your daughter.
29:55I know.
29:57I don't know what I'm thinking.
29:59Sorry?
30:01I don't know.
30:03You don't know?
30:05I'm shocked.
30:07We've been told.
30:09I've been told I couldn't have kids.
30:11You've got three sons.
30:13Why would you have gone to see her
30:15if you're that shocked?
30:17You're a liar, aren't you?
30:19Why did you go to her house,
30:21somewhere free to stay for a week
30:23when your wife chucked you out
30:25and then you went running home?
30:27That's your daughter, pal.
30:29I think underneath all the bravado,
30:31I think you're a different man.
30:33I think this is a classic example
30:35of a woman who you've been with,
30:37you've got a family with.
30:39Look at that girl and tell her to her face.
30:41I wanted to see Woody and he didn't.
30:43You have made your choice.
30:45I now know that you're my father.
30:47You run along and play happy families
30:49with the kids you don't own.
30:51APPLAUSE
30:53Is that where you're going?
30:55APPLAUSE
30:57Is that where you're going?
30:59It's down to you, son.
31:01Your daughter would accept you with open arms
31:03and she's good enough to walk away.
31:05You do exactly what you want
31:07but you know what she ain't going to do?
31:09Beg for you to be her dad
31:11because she's better than that.
31:13APPLAUSE
31:15CHEERING
31:21I just want to tell you something.
31:23I want to tell you something
31:25and I do this every day.
31:27I get angry.
31:29I don't get sad too often.
31:31I would be proud
31:33to have a daughter like you.
31:35APPLAUSE
31:37I mean that.
31:39A lot of people
31:41who come on this show
31:43and they get a reaction like that.
31:45They go off into their lives
31:47and their lives are blighted
31:49and they're looking for answers
31:51and they get stuck.
31:53You've got a fantastic girlfriend.
31:55You've got great friends.
31:57You don't need this.
31:59But I hope that you mean that
32:01because you are vile.
32:03Probably because I've got my kids.
32:05She got it right.
32:07If she met a man who had a kid
32:09and he said, let's forget about it,
32:11she'd have gone, get out there.
32:13You're better than him.
32:15And you know we go, which way are you going to go?
32:17You want to run that race for people that love you
32:19and ignore that for a million years.
32:21He's gone. Jeremy, thanks very much.
32:23APPLAUSE
32:35Amazing girl.
32:37I wish you the best of luck.
32:39My next guest today, Lucy, says that only last month
32:41she was hit with the tragic news
32:43that her father had passed away.
32:45She says that her sister Kate withdrew £250
32:47from her dad's account to help towards the funeral costs.
32:49But just a week ago, she says that her sister Kate
32:51rang her and said that the money had been stolen.
32:53She's here today because she is certain
32:55Kate's boyfriend Guy is a thief
32:57and she says if he's stolen this
32:59as he's stolen from her sister in the past,
33:01he will have to face up to the consequences.
33:03Lucy is on the Jeremy Carr Show.
33:05That way.
33:07APPLAUSE
33:15More water please, Will.
33:17The voice is going. How are you?
33:19I'm not too bad, thanks.
33:21I really, really appreciate you being here.
33:23Lucy, just outline the story.
33:25I know it's emotional and difficult.
33:27Thanks, mate, for all of you.
33:29Your dad passed away in October.
33:31Let's take the story from there.
33:33He passed away in October.
33:35He had end-stage heart failure.
33:37We were all there when he passed away.
33:39We were told that he had life insurance and stuff,
33:41so we drew the money out of his account
33:43just in case he didn't.
33:45Put it to one side and my sister
33:47stored it in her property.
33:49This is your sister...
33:51Kate.
33:53Right, OK.
33:55She put it in her property and hid it.
33:57I didn't know where it was.
33:59Nathan didn't know who it was.
34:01Nathan is your brother?
34:03Yeah.
34:05Kate's boyfriend is Guy.
34:07Guy is in the dock.
34:09Guy knew where it was.
34:11They both lived together.
34:13Then she phoned.
34:15It turns out we had...
34:17Social Services ended up paying for the funeral
34:19because he didn't have life insurance or anything.
34:21But we had to pay the money back
34:23that we took out of his account after he'd passed.
34:25When my sister went to get it, it had gone.
34:27She'd phoned me and said...
34:29Right, 250 quid.
34:31You say, categorically,
34:33although my brother Nathan has done the test,
34:35I'm pointing the finger at Guy,
34:37my sister Kate's boyfriend. Why? Give me some fact.
34:39He's got previous.
34:41Nathan's got previous as well, but he's my brother,
34:43so I'd like to think it's not him.
34:45Do you not trust your own brother?
34:47Yeah, I trust him.
34:49Guy has previous.
34:51Yeah.
34:53And you believe he stole from you.
34:55Somebody went missing out of mine once.
34:57I had my sister and a boyfriend,
34:59and the kids were in for tea.
35:01And my brother.
35:03And 10 pound had gone missing out of my purse.
35:05So Nathan's in the dock, and Guy's in the dock.
35:07What's it done to your relationship with Kate?
35:09Because Guy and she are quite tight.
35:13Me and my sister are close.
35:15We always have been, and we're still quite close now.
35:17How do you think she'd react if he's a thief?
35:19I'd like to think she'd kick him out.
35:21Because the lowest of the low, right?
35:23Stealing's bad enough,
35:25but of someone who's just passed away,
35:27and his family,
35:29it's just disgusting.
35:31Guy says, I've been with Kate on and off for two and a half years.
35:33Yeah.
35:35I want to prove my innocence to my girlfriend and her family.
35:37I would never steal.
35:39I am absolutely devastated to be accused.
35:41Get him out.
35:43Guy's on the Jeremy Carr Show. Give him a round of applause.
35:45APPLAUSE
35:47Guy, welcome to the show.
35:49Try and keep an open mind, as always.
35:51You want to prove your innocence.
35:53How does it feel to be accused?
35:55Not good, because, for one,
35:57I didn't know about the money going from your house.
35:59Yeah, I've not mentioned that.
36:01And for two, I didn't actually know where the money was.
36:03The problem I've got with this, Lucy, is...
36:05Second, can I just go again?
36:07Thirdly, the money that I took off Kate last time
36:09was because she went into my bank account,
36:11took money off me, which I needed.
36:13So I took that.
36:15Did you steal the money?
36:17No.
36:19Let's get Nathan on the Jeremy Carr Show.
36:21Where's Nathan? Give him a round of applause, please.
36:23APPLAUSE
36:27You've stolen money before?
36:29Yes, I have. Who from?
36:31My sister and my mum.
36:33That's nice. You'd steal from your own family.
36:35Puts you in the dock, doesn't it, Nath?
36:37Yeah, it does. Yeah.
36:39What's your view of this whole thing?
36:41Well, can I start?
36:43Some of that shouldn't be here, no, it shouldn't be happening,
36:45but we're at this situation now.
36:47That's why I'm here, to clear my name myself,
36:49cos I have done it in the past.
36:51My dad died in October. It was a terrible time.
36:53He deteriorated so quickly, and we're all so close.
36:55His savings...
36:57That's your dad.
36:59His savings went missing.
37:01That's the point of this story, isn't it?
37:03The guy who'd struggled, the guy who'd saved some money,
37:07would be looking down now, thinking,
37:09this was disgusting.
37:11What happens in these situations is people start to point the finger.
37:13Do you believe it's Nathan?
37:15I've actually said I don't think it were Nathan.
37:17That's interesting, cos Nathan says,
37:19I've stolen in the past, but I definitely think Guy took the money.
37:21Yeah.
37:23Why? He's the only one in the frame.
37:25You've accused this guy of nicking the money.
37:27Yeah, I am accusing him.
37:29That's only cos of what I've been told and what I've found out
37:31and all the facts that I don't know.
37:33How long have you been with Kate? Two and a half years.
37:35Kate's on The Jeremy Carr Show. Give her a round of applause.
37:37APPLAUSE
37:41Kate, welcome to the show.
37:43It must be very, very difficult for you.
37:45You've had to deal with losing your dad.
37:47You've had to deal with losing the money, in effect.
37:49You've had to deal with your family accusing your boyfriend.
37:51Tell me where you're at in terms of your mind on this whole thing.
37:53I just hope to God it's neither of them.
37:55Do you think your boyfriend's capable of that?
37:57I think they're both capable.
37:59Very honest.
38:01If it is Guy, what happens to you and him?
38:03I don't know.
38:05I don't know.
38:07I don't know.
38:09Guy, what happens to you and him?
38:13He'd have to be me over with.
38:15What about
38:17if it's not your boyfriend, it's your brother?
38:19Then I'll cut all ties with him as well.
38:21Yeah.
38:23And you'd do the same?
38:25100% definitely.
38:27Because it's a low thing to do, right?
38:29Yeah.
38:31It's difficult.
38:33Just one thing.
38:35Tone, turn that camera.
38:37How many of us think the Guy stole the money?
38:39The boyfriend?
38:4520 people?
38:47How many people think Nathan, the brother, stole the money?
38:53You do look a lot more guilty than he does, pal.
38:55I don't need to look guilty, me.
38:57I know I've not done it, so...
38:59Sure about that?
39:01Yeah, 110%, you'll find out in a minute.
39:03You said that if it's either of the people on this stage,
39:05you would dump your boyfriend,
39:07you would dump your brother.
39:09Let's bear in mind this is about your father's memory.
39:11Oh, my God.
39:13Who do you want to start with?
39:15Ladies, you choose.
39:17Do you want to start with your boyfriend or your brother?
39:19Let me tell you one thing.
39:21No, actually, I won't.
39:23Who do you want to start with?
39:25Guy.
39:27OK.
39:29Did you steal the money, Guy?
39:31No.
39:33Your boyfriend was kept in Kate's kitchen cupboard.
39:35He said no. How long have you been with him?
39:37Two and a half years.
39:39Your boyfriend was telling the truth.
39:41APPLAUSE
39:47When we do a thoughtful lie detector,
39:49we find out if somebody's complicit.
39:51Asked your boyfriend,
39:53do you know for sure who stole any of the money
39:55that was kept in Kate's kitchen cupboard?
39:57Your boyfriend said no.
39:59Telling the truth throughout the whole test.
40:01APPLAUSE
40:05We'll come back positive, you'll see.
40:07APPLAUSE
40:13I'm not just saying this because I get grief,
40:16but I could have told you a million percent when he walked out.
40:20I'm sorry. Why are you upset?
40:22I've been accused for all this and I've not even done it.
40:25APPLAUSE
40:32But as a remark you should hold on to,
40:35the dignity with which you behaved
40:39and the dignity that you've shown says everything about you, mate.
40:43I'm so grateful for him coming on.
40:45Thank you for doing that for me.
40:49Did you steal the money?
40:51No.
40:53We asked Nathan, did you steal any of the money
40:55that was kept in Kate's kitchen cupboard?
40:57You said no. Why did you say no?
40:59Telling the truth. Sorry? Telling the truth.
41:01Of course he was telling the truth as well.
41:03APPLAUSE
41:10We asked him, do you know for sure who stole any of the money
41:13that was kept in Kate's kitchen cupboard?
41:15Your brother told the truth on the lie detector test as well.
41:18APPLAUSE
41:23You said in your notes to my team,
41:25it's an open house, people come in and out.
41:28Your friend is not lying, your brother is not lying.
41:30My thoughts are with your father, but this is good news, OK?
41:34This is good news for you.
41:36There are some people that would leave this stage and say,
41:38but does that mean that there's somebody else?
41:41It's not you guys, that's the important thing.
41:43I really appreciate it. Everybody in my house.
41:45I have quite a few people. I'll never know.
41:48Maybe you should think about that, darling.
41:50Maybe you should make sure less people come in.
41:52I very much appreciate you coming in.
41:54APPLAUSE
41:56We've got to give it that way. Give them a round of applause.
42:05So this just in, and it's breaking news this morning, apparently,
42:08Graham, something big is happening in Media City.
42:10Yeah, let's find out what's happening from our weatherman.
42:13There's a storm brewing, Mr Kyle.
42:19Good morning and a big, big welcome to the show.
42:27Give a beer!
42:32Get out of my studio. Get in there.
42:40Come on, little man, bring it.
42:53We're on stage now.
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43:45Welcome back.
43:46Now, do you remember my guest from earlier in the show?
43:49The DNA, of course, proved that Kevin was in fact
43:51the biological father of Cilla.
43:53I remember him sitting with wife Jackie,
43:55refusing, and I mean refusing, to have anything to do with Cilla.
43:58But since then, things have changed dramatically.
44:01I didn't think I'd be saying this.
44:03Please welcome Jackie back on the Jeremy Carl Show, that way.
44:14How are you?
44:15Don't hit me!
44:17I didn't think I'd see you lot again, but I'm utterly delighted.
44:20All right, welcome back. Go on.
44:22Why are you back?
44:23Well, we've made amends.
44:26I got in contact with Cilla the next day,
44:29and we've just been speaking since then.
44:32Pulling things out.
44:33Brilliant.
44:36I wanted to bring you back, because I think, you know,
44:38it's always nice to see things through.
44:40I acknowledge that, you know,
44:42it's easy to be labelled as the evil stepmum.
44:44I would stand by absolutely on the last show
44:47This girl, who I think's a diamond,
44:49had been pushed out very unnecessarily,
44:51but I will acknowledge one million percent
44:54for you guys to change tack, for you.
44:57And you said, we're sorry for any heartache,
44:59I'm helping Cilla now to get her last name changed to her dad's,
45:02and we welcome her to the family.
45:04Well, where I come from, for you to come back and do that
45:06says an awful lot about you.
45:08You didn't listen to the full story.
45:10What?
45:11You didn't listen to the full story last time.
45:14Are you telling me off? I am, yeah.
45:16Are you happy now?
45:17Oh, we're all sorted now, yeah.
45:19So you're happy? Yeah.
45:20Sorry, Jackie.
45:26Right, anyway, the good news is, family's back, yeah?
45:29Yes.
45:30Let's get her back. She was an impressive girl last time.
45:32She said, you know, Jackie got in touch to apologise,
45:35and that is amazing, and I am so happy.
45:37Cilla's back on the Jeremy Carr Show that way.
45:47Nice.
45:49Did you expect that to happen?
45:50Never in a million years, never.
45:52Never.
45:53Best day of my life, getting the text message off her.
45:55Brilliant. She made me do it.
45:57Why did you do that, Jack?
45:59Cos we found out the truth.
46:03Erm...
46:05You just thought that, eh?
46:07Alan just sent her a text.
46:09And, well, it ended there.
46:11She needs to know, to get to know him.
46:15This is nothing I thought I'd ever say on the Jeremy Carr Show.
46:19You've had something done since this show.
46:21Yeah, I've had...
46:22I've had my dad's and my DNA results done on me neck.
46:2599.99% on your neck.
46:28APPLAUSE
46:34Your dad's? Yeah.
46:35It's early doors, but you're getting there.
46:37Brilliant. Every day we speak on the programme.
46:39Bring him in. Kevin's back on the Jeremy Carr Show.
46:41Give him a round of applause.
46:44CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
46:52Good man, good man.
46:53That's good.
46:55Hello.
46:56How are you, Kev?
47:01Big change, pal?
47:02It has been a big change, yeah.
47:04And the right change. Yeah.
47:05And it is fair to say, from our point of view,
47:07and I do acknowledge this, I think, you know,
47:09sometimes what happens here is a snapshot.
47:12What you liked about what Jackie said
47:14was that you went away and you thought about it.
47:17I did, yeah. I was really...
47:18When I got home, I was depressed.
47:20I was...
47:22Bit gay, I smell.
47:24Don't cry, don't cry, don't cry.
47:26Sorry, sorry.
47:28Then I told her afterwards that I was really proud of her
47:30for what she's done.
47:31You did.
47:32Fighting this kid all the way to prove me wrong
47:34and prove everybody else wrong.
47:35She's got spirit, hasn't she?
47:37She has, yeah.
47:39She's brilliant.
47:40Thanks to Jackie, therefore, getting us back together.
47:42Yeah, I'm very scared of Jackie.
47:44She's going to hit me with that stick again.
47:47I want to be part of my daughter's life
47:49and I'm hoping that we can move forward and have a future together.
47:51For all of you, that's a massively important thing.
47:53It is.
47:54So, good in the end.
47:55Brilliant.
47:56Brilliant, yeah.
47:57You haven't got a tattoo, have you?
47:59No, not yet.
48:0099.99%.
48:01You could get one with Jeremy Carter,
48:03are you sure about that?
48:04I could do, yeah.
48:05What?
48:06I could do one,
48:07and then some stitches put there for you.
48:10I'll tell you what I'm going to do.
48:12What you should have is,
48:13you should have the only tattoo that ever...
48:15Jeremy, Kyle, apologise to me.
48:19I'll let you read the last link, go on.
48:21Go on.
48:22We're right out of time.
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48:27Details are on the screen now.
48:29Thanks, guests, thanks, audience, thanks, viewers.
48:31Goodbye, Jeremy.
48:32Brilliant!
48:33APPLAUSE
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