The Jeremy Kyle Show (01 Feb 2017)

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The Jeremy Kyle Show (01 Feb 2017)
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00:00on today's show.
00:01♪♪
00:11Thank you, Jeremy.
00:13I've seen her rubbing herself up
00:15against random men in the pub.
00:16She's a prostitute, isn't it?
00:18♪♪
00:21Today, you want to know if she's pregnant,
00:23and then you want to say,
00:24get out of our lives and leave us alone.
00:27♪♪
00:32Go on, go play your football.
00:33You go, you go.
00:34Get off the stage.
00:35Nothing to do with you, lads.
00:36Get off the stage. Nothing to do with you.
00:37I'll prove today that I'm not pregnant, mate.
00:39I'll prove today.
00:40And watch your face drop, then.
00:41Well, we did a pregnancy test.
00:42Do you want the good news or the bad news?
00:43The good news.
00:44You say, today, if I find out she's cheated,
00:49it doesn't matter.
00:50We are done.
00:51Yeah.
00:52♪♪
00:54Since you started your relationship with Alan,
00:55have you had sexual intercourse with anyone else?
00:57She said no.
00:59I'm telling the truth.
01:00♪♪
01:03♪♪
01:06♪♪
01:09♪♪
01:11♪♪
01:13♪♪
01:15♪♪
01:17♪♪
01:20Good morning, and a big, big welcome to the show.
01:22Now, my first guest today, Destiny, is here to confront
01:24her son, Anthony's ex-partner, Amy,
01:26whom she claims has turned the ex from hell
01:29since they split last week.
01:30Destiny claims that Amy was definitely cheating on her son
01:33as she saw her rubbing her bum against random men in the pub.
01:36AUDIENCE GROANS
01:38AUDIENCE WHISTLES
01:40Hello, sir.
01:41AUDIENCE LAUGHS
01:43She says Amy, the bum-rubber,
01:45was only with her son for his money.
01:47She says she's going to prove that Amy's not pregnant.
01:49She's going to tell this little stalker,
01:51stay out of our lives for good.
01:53I mean business.
01:55Today is your destiny, ladies and gentlemen!
01:58CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
02:01CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
02:04Hello!
02:06Good evening.
02:08AUDIENCE GASPS
02:10That's a great start, isn't it?
02:12Right, welcome to the show.
02:14Um, Amy and your son, Anthony, were together for how long?
02:19Shut up!
02:22About two months.
02:24Two months?!
02:26Um, you didn't really like her.
02:28I only put up with her because she was with Anthony.
02:30Now they're split, she's turned the ex from hell.
02:32What do you mean? She's with somebody else.
02:34That's her ex from hell she's been with before.
02:36Be quiet, Amy and DJ Dave.
02:38I'll speak to you in a minute.
02:40Steve, do you know I used to be a DJ, don't you?
02:43How long was I a DJ for?
02:4512.
02:4812.
02:49Carry on.
02:51Not on the radio, not...
02:53And all that rubbish. Right, welcome.
02:55You don't like her, why?
02:57Because she's manipulative.
02:59She said she had a miscarriage a couple of weeks ago.
03:01Then she was pregnant again.
03:03So she's basically lying, what, after Anthony's money?
03:06After Anthony's money, she's been...
03:08Has he got money?
03:10He has got money.
03:12CHEERING
03:14She's been rubbing herself up against random men in the pub.
03:18Yeah, Polish guys in the pub.
03:20CHEERING
03:27Sweat's on me, watch.
03:29Flirting with people when we used to go out, it was disgusting.
03:33And she goes to random men and gives them what?
03:37Oral sex.
03:39CHEERING
03:41In return for what?
03:43For money.
03:44So you're calling her a prostitute?
03:46Yes, she's a prostitute.
03:48They split up, so why did you give her damn?
03:50Because she manipulated my son.
03:52She what?
03:54She manipulated my son, I want to murder your life.
03:56She says that your son's a fantasist, you're mad,
04:00she never even slept with your son,
04:02she doesn't want to be with your son,
04:04there's no way she can be pregnant by your son,
04:07and actually, you and your son are bonkers.
04:10That's basically her son.
04:12She slept with my son at my friend's house.
04:14How do you know that?
04:15Because I lived there with my son.
04:17Did you get it right?
04:19What?
04:21Today you want to know if she's pregnant,
04:23and then you want to say,
04:24get out of our lives and leave us alone.
04:27Would that be fair?
04:28That would be fair, yeah.
04:29Should we get her out?
04:30Yes.
04:31Amy's on the Jeremy Carl show, that one.
04:33CHEERING
04:39You're a liar!
04:42I'm a mummy's boy.
04:43Yeah, sure you are, your mummy's like a girl.
04:45I don't have a mummy's shit.
04:47Carry on with your...
04:49Carry on with your...
04:51I'm not having it no more, end of.
04:53Yeah, go and get some sleep.
04:55Sorry, excuse me, one second.
04:57Anthony, be quiet.
04:58DJ Double Decks, be quiet.
05:00You were with him for how long?
05:02Three more.
05:03And you didn't have sex with him?
05:05Nope.
05:06Never?
05:07Never.
05:08But you were too busy rubbing yourself up against...
05:10Come on, Annie, come on.
05:11I'll do that when I'm ready.
05:13Why did you not have sex with him?
05:15Cos he can't get it up, he's not old enough to get it up.
05:18He's a liar!
05:20Of course my son can get it up, he's got kids.
05:23How do you know your son can get it up?
05:26Oh, God.
05:27How do you know your son can get it up?
05:29Because he's got children.
05:30You told my team I think he might be gay,
05:32cos he never was...
05:33Yeah.
05:34Yeah, she thinks her son's gay.
05:35Is he gay?
05:36Is he gay?
05:37He's gay, but I more like him.
05:38He's more gay than him.
05:39Why have you told backstage that he covers me in black and blue?
05:42He does cover me in black and blue.
05:43You told me that before!
05:44You told me that before!
05:46How long have you been with DJ Double Decks?
05:48For a week.
05:49For a week?
05:50We've been together for a week.
05:51A week?
05:52Yeah.
05:53You were with him before Anthony, weren't you?
05:54Yeah.
05:55Have you had sex with DJ Double Decks?
05:56Yep.
05:57But not with Anthony?
05:58Nope.
05:59Yeah, you've had sex with Anthony.
06:00No, you haven't.
06:01Yeah, you have.
06:02No, you haven't.
06:03Come on, show.
06:04Come on.
06:05You just say you didn't have a relationship with Anthony
06:07because you don't want DJ whatever to know.
06:09What is the story?
06:10She says that you're...
06:11She says you're going on about miscarriages.
06:13You're making up fake pregnancies.
06:15Yeah, I was at the doctor's.
06:16We had a miscarriage.
06:17You come out crying.
06:18Listen, mate, I've just took a pregnancy test.
06:20You've never been pregnant.
06:21Why did you take a pregnancy test?
06:23Surely you'd know.
06:24Because he...
06:25Well, it is right.
06:26The first time I got with Anthony...
06:27Be quiet.
06:28The first time I got with Anthony,
06:29Anthony's been after a baby.
06:30Shut up!
06:31The first time I got with Anthony,
06:32he's been after a baby,
06:33and I can't give him a baby.
06:35Because you can't get pregnant.
06:36Because you can't get pregnant.
06:37That's why.
06:38And he says, why?
06:39Because I'm a good girl.
06:40I'm not like your son.
06:41So you don't want to be with Anthony.
06:42You're happy with DJ Doubledex.
06:43You are pregnant.
06:44You're not doing...
06:45This is them fantasising.
06:46There's nothing that you want.
06:47This is about today, right?
06:49Tell him, Anna, do one.
06:51I'm happy with the DJ.
06:52The man in the middle
06:53and the man that spins the tracks.
06:55Next on the Jeremy Carl Show.
06:57Don't go anywhere.
06:58Go on.
06:59Go on.
07:00You've got the stage.
07:01Nothing to do with you.
07:02Well, we did a pregnancy test.
07:03Do you want the good news or the bad news?
07:05The good news.
07:06Why are you putting up with this vile,
07:09foul-mouthed 26-year-old who doesn't respect you
07:12and lies to you?
07:36It's 1-2-3-4-5-6.
07:37Calls cost 25 pence,
07:38plus your network access charge.
07:40Or email talkatitv.com
07:42to get in touch with one of my team.
07:44MUSIC
07:46CHEERING
07:49APPLAUSE
07:52Thank you very much.
07:53Welcome back.
07:54Before the break, we met our destiny.
07:56Amy.
07:57You say she's a stalker.
07:58She makes up pregnancies.
07:59She makes up miscarriages.
08:00You say,
08:01I never slept with her son.
08:02He's a dirty git.
08:03I'm not interested in him.
08:05I'm happy with DJ Dave.
08:06I was with before I went out with Anthony.
08:08Now we've reconnected.
08:09Leave me alone.
08:10I don't want to be with you.
08:11Why did you come out before your son?
08:13There you go.
08:14I can answer that.
08:15Because he wanted to meet me first.
08:17Really?
08:18I'm not being nasty.
08:19Sorry, I'm not being nasty.
08:20It's between me and Anthony.
08:21It's got nothing to do with you.
08:22What's it got to do with you?
08:23He's my partner.
08:24It's got nothing to do with him.
08:25Anthony's on the Jeremy Kyle show that way.
08:27CHEERING
08:29APPLAUSE
08:31No, wait a minute.
08:32Yeah, you did have sex with...
08:32There was no one.
08:34You get off the stage now.
08:35What's it got to do with you?
08:36Get off.
08:37If he has to go off, why did she get off?
08:39Simple.
08:40It's between me and you.
08:41It's got nothing to do with that.
08:42Are you all right?
08:43Get off.
08:44Are you all right?
08:45Move now.
08:46Get off.
08:47The truth comes, man.
08:48Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
08:49Yeah, you tell your truth.
08:50Get off, mate.
08:51Get off.
08:52Yeah, yeah.
08:53Get off.
08:54Get off.
08:55Bye-bye.
08:56Get off.
08:57Do you want anything else?
08:58Maybe not.
08:59I don't want to...
09:00Anthony, I don't want to...
09:01Anthony, hello.
09:02Hello, Jeremy.
09:03All right, mate?
09:04Not bad.
09:05All right, mate?
09:06Er...
09:07Why did you and she split?
09:09Cos she's telling me that I was going to Preston.
09:12Yeah, going to meet my ex.
09:13My ex, yeah, going to play football.
09:15Did you have sex with her?
09:16Yeah, I did, yeah.
09:17No, you didn't.
09:18In my mate's house.
09:19No, you did not.
09:20Was your mum there?
09:21No, she wasn't.
09:22My mum wasn't even there.
09:23Cos your girlfriend, ex-girlfriend, said...
09:25I mean, I'm just trying to make this...
09:27Shut up, DJ.
09:28Shut up, DJ.
09:29Shut up, DJ.
09:30Shut up, DJ Double Dex.
09:31I'm just trying to put this in speak for the early morn.
09:34She says you suffer from erectile dysfunction.
09:37No, I don't.
09:38She says...
09:39No, no, I don't.
09:41You say that the relationship went wrong
09:43because she didn't like me playing football.
09:45Yeah, she didn't like me playing football.
09:47Why did it go wrong, Anthony?
09:48Cos your mum was getting involved too much.
09:50I was going to play football in Preston, yeah.
09:52You do a lot in Preston, don't you?
09:53I play football in Preston.
09:54Do you?
09:55With your ex?
09:56Yeah.
09:5714 years I've been playing football in Preston, yeah.
09:59I'm passionate about football, so I've been playing since I was 11.
10:02How many kids have you got?
10:03I've got two.
10:04How can you have kids if you can't get it out?
10:06I can't.
10:07I've got two.
10:08Who finished the relationship, her or you?
10:10She finished with me.
10:11Were you devastated? Are you still in love with her?
10:13Is that why you're making this up?
10:15She says we didn't sleep together.
10:17The guy's stalking me.
10:18He's desperately upset that I'm in a new relationship with the star DJ.
10:21She can do what she wants.
10:22I mean, DJ Dave is big in Burnley.
10:25Really?
10:26Says you when you got all texted, when you tried texting him up.
10:29What?
10:30She tried to chat up DJ Dave.
10:32You tried to chat up Dave.
10:35Let's get DJ Dave on the Jeremy Coulter, that way.
10:38CHEERING
10:44Come on, we've got to play your football.
10:46You've got...
10:47This has nothing to do with you, lads.
10:49Get off.
10:50This has nothing to do with you.
10:52Your mum's going to set you home in a bit.
10:54Your mum's going to set you home in a bit.
10:55Go on.
10:56Ask me that.
10:57Was she texting David Knight?
10:58Yeah, she was.
10:59She wasn't texting you, actually.
11:00No, she wasn't.
11:01You were texting... Hello, Dave.
11:03All right.
11:04Radio...
11:05No.
11:06Just...
11:07Just what?
11:08Right.
11:09Did she text you?
11:11Yes, she did.
11:12It's all lies.
11:13It's all lies.
11:14It's all lies.
11:15She split me and Amy up, first of all,
11:17and then all of a sudden she was texting me,
11:19oh, I want to be with you.
11:20Don't text Amy again.
11:21I was like, really?
11:22You sent it on the phone.
11:23She's texting you the same message, aren't you?
11:24Your mum was trying to...
11:25I'm with your love rival.
11:26This is...
11:27No, she wasn't.
11:28Did you want to say nothing, man?
11:29No, she wasn't.
11:30Talk about keeping it in the family.
11:31What is it, a football match?
11:32Oh!
11:33Says you.
11:34You're a DJ.
11:35Can't even DJ, mate.
11:36Says you.
11:37What do you mean he can't even DJ, mate?
11:38What do you mean?
11:39What?
11:40What's with the...
11:41Why is he crying?
11:42Because he gets off with all the women in the pub.
11:44Says you.
11:45Do you?
11:46You got off with him, didn't you?
11:47No, I didn't.
11:48You got off with him.
11:49I've never even been there.
11:50You've texted him saying...
11:51No, I've been with you, mate.
11:52Yeah, well, she...
11:53It's in Polish.
11:54What did Destiny...
11:55Says you.
11:56Excuse me, what did she say to you?
11:57Was it quite explicit?
11:59Yeah, it was like, you know,
12:01don't text Amy if you want to get with me.
12:03No, you're a liar.
12:04No, really.
12:05Liar.
12:06It was.
12:07You're a liar.
12:08So, I'm not sure why we're here.
12:09Been saying that for a long time.
12:11Are you still in love with her?
12:13No.
12:14Are you sure about that?
12:15No.
12:16What do you want, then?
12:17That's not what we're doing here.
12:18I just want to see if she's pregnant.
12:20Pregnancy test.
12:21Well, how would it be you if she is?
12:23Cos you can't get it up, according to her.
12:25I've got two kids, man.
12:26But she says you never had sex.
12:28I'll prove today that I'm not pregnant, mate.
12:30I'll prove today.
12:31And watch your face drop, then.
12:32And you can go out my life.
12:33See you later.
12:34You did have sex with him, though, didn't you?
12:36You had sex with him once, didn't you?
12:38Come on.
12:39Once.
12:40Once.
12:41That's it.
12:42Oh, you did?
12:43You're a liar!
12:44Imagine the miscarriage, didn't you?
12:45Says you.
12:46Cos I was a doctor with you.
12:47Oh, you was?
12:48Yes, I was.
12:49I was a doctor.
12:51Will you shut up?
12:52How do you feel about the fact that she once had Anthony?
12:55Once.
12:56We were separated, weren't we?
12:57They split us up.
12:58Oh, right.
12:59OK.
13:00So you did have sex with him.
13:01So he could be the father of your unborn child.
13:03I'm not pregnant.
13:04What?
13:05I'm not pregnant.
13:06Well, we did a pregnancy test.
13:07Do you want the good news or the bad news?
13:08The good news.
13:09She's not pregnant at all.
13:10It's a lie!
13:11It's a lie!
13:12It's a lie!
13:13It's a lie!
13:14It's a lie!
13:15It's a lie!
13:16It's a lie!
13:17It's a lie!
13:18It's a lie!
13:19That's from a previous encounter.
13:20Take a look at this, my friends.
13:23Get you, Al.
13:24Yeah?
13:2552 with a 26-year-old ex-girlfriend, you old dog.
13:28Well, according to Will, I got loads on the go, so...
13:31What?
13:32I'm not doing too bad.
13:33Shut up.
13:34Very, very soon, I realised that everything
13:37that came out of this woman's mouth was a lie.
13:39Give me some examples.
13:41Um, well, she's supposed to have been pregnant
13:43by another gentleman, um...
13:45You're an absolute liar, Alan.
13:47Shut up!
13:48Wait a minute.
13:49My turn, not yours.
13:50You're an absolute liar!
13:55Do you have a room?
13:56Are you even better for it?
13:57Yeah, I'd look better for me.
13:58That's like looking at you.
13:59Has anybody done a lie detector?
14:01I did not ask you.
14:02No.
14:03Why did you not do a lie detector?
14:04Exactly why?
14:05Come on, if you've got nothing to hide, why?
14:07Medication won't allow it.
14:09Medication.
14:10All right, well, a load of old cruller.
14:12An old cruller?
14:13Cruller.
14:14And also, quite interestingly,
14:16she can't do it.
14:17She can't do one because she's pregnant.
14:19Who's your mate, Sarah?
14:20Yeah.
14:21Sarah's on the Jeremy Carr show that way.
14:23Come on, Sarah!
14:24You're an absolute liar!
14:25You're an absolute liar!
14:27You're a liar!
14:28Nothing but a liar!
14:29Yeah, yeah.
14:30I hope you're enjoying this.
14:31Nothing but an old man period.
14:32That's all you are.
14:33I'm going to start going out with people your own age, yeah?
14:35Not 25-year-olds, yeah?
14:36Who's got the pregnancy results, please?
14:38Graham?
14:39Give him a round of applause.
14:40Graham Stanius.
14:41APPLAUSE
14:47Obviously, we've taken on board your disclosures,
14:49and you are taking a medication that will induce ovulation.
14:52Yeah.
14:53And your period is late.
14:55Yeah.
14:56However, what the pregnancy test tells us...
14:58Wait a minute.
14:59..is that you are not pregnant.
15:01Right.
15:05So, since discovering Sally had lied about being pregnant,
15:08ex-Alan says he's more determined than ever
15:10to find out if she, Sally,
15:11and has also lied about cheating on him.
15:13He says her web of lies have left him so confused
15:16he doesn't know what to think,
15:17but says if she passes, they'll get married.
15:21If they fail, it's done.
15:24Big day, then!
15:25No pressure.
15:26Adam's on the Jeremy Carr Show.
15:27That way.
15:28APPLAUSE
15:35I sort of felt sorry for you, and then I, you know,
15:37and then I was like, oh, come on!
15:39Yeah.
15:40No, no, but your whole demeanour is that of a lover.
15:43Yeah.
15:44The woman lied about being pregnant.
15:46Yes.
15:47We've seen it, right?
15:48Yeah.
15:49I mean, you split two or three weeks ago.
15:52You were with her nearly a year.
15:54She lied about being pregnant.
15:56Her friend, who came and supported her...
15:58Yeah.
15:59..threw her rights drop and said,
16:00how dare you lie?
16:01Why are we back?
16:02Well, to be honest with you, it's a lie detector test
16:05because we had an argument once before,
16:08and she lied about where she stayed the one night.
16:12Everybody said he got what he deserved
16:14because he's 52 and she's 26.
16:16Everybody says you need to get your head out of the clouds,
16:18actually, and go, this woman's no good.
16:21But you're saying to us...
16:22Yeah.
16:23..she lied about that, she's lied about a lot of stuff,
16:25I need to nail this.
16:26I need to nail this on the head, yeah.
16:28I need to know.
16:29Now, hold on a minute.
16:30I don't want to be rude, because I'm in total awe of you,
16:32because you're 52 and you're obviously getting some.
16:34No, honestly, loads of it.
16:36You've had lots of sex since you split up, haven't you?
16:39Yeah. Last Friday.
16:41Last Friday?
16:42Yeah.
16:43You had sex last Friday?
16:44Yes.
16:45She worms her way...
16:47Be quiet.
16:48She worms her way back in by using sex?
16:50Yeah.
16:51How many times have you slept with her since you split up with her?
16:54Just the once.
16:55Really?
16:56Well, I was just in one night.
16:58What?!
17:00Hold on.
17:01How many times?
17:03I can't. I've lost Kate now.
17:05I'm not very good.
17:07LAUGHTER
17:09APPLAUSE
17:10So, more... Hold on, hold on, hold on.
17:13APPLAUSE
17:15More than once a night.
17:17Oh, yeah.
17:1852...
17:19How old are you?
17:2052.
17:21How many times a night?
17:22Well, it depends, really.
17:24Well, the most!
17:25Five or six.
17:26APPLAUSE
17:31Steve.
17:33Um...
17:34Have you ever had sex five or six times in one night?
17:36Not a jackpot, I'm honest.
17:39Four times?
17:40No.
17:40Three?
17:41No.
17:42Two?
17:42Maybe.
17:43Hey!
17:45Good man.
17:46Bow down to Al.
17:48On a serious note, lie detected today.
17:50What if it's all the same as before?
17:53She lied about being pregnant.
17:55What if she lies about everything else and has cheated on you?
17:58Is she gonna worm her way back in?
18:00No.
18:01I think... Oh, be quiet.
18:02Back next, we're there on lie detector. Don't go anywhere.
18:05Excuse me. Ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow!
18:09Since the start of your relationship with Alan,
18:10have you had sexual intercourse with anyone else?
18:12She said no.
18:14I'm telling you the truth.
18:17Since the start of your relationship with Megan,
18:19have you passionately kissed anyone else?
18:20She said no. What do you say? No jokes?
18:22I'm truthful.
18:26So this just in, and it's breaking news this morning, apparently, Graeme.
18:29Something big is happening in Media City.
18:31Yeah, let's find out what's happening from our weatherman.
18:33There's a storm brewing, Mr Kyle.
18:35FIRE!
18:39FIRE!
18:40Good morning and a big, big welcome to the show.
18:43FIRE!
18:46FIRE!
18:48You've been...
18:49FIRED!
18:51Come on, man!
18:52FIRE!
18:53Get out of my studio. Get him out.
18:56FIRE!
18:57FIRE!
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19:01I'm breaking...
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19:07How are you?
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19:10Get out of the way.
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19:56Thank you, Jeremy.
19:57Raw emotion.
19:59Is my daughter having an affair with my husband?
20:02I have never seen anything like that in my life.
20:05Explosive results.
20:07No, she's there on the other side of the door.
20:09I'll sit with his best friend, yeah?
20:11You're trying to dick him, aren't you?
20:13Absolutely outrageous.
20:15Life-changing moments.
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20:23All at 9.25.
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21:19Welcome back for the break.
21:20Big Al.
21:21And I say big with complete awe.
21:23Al five times a night at 52.
21:27Found out last week, Sally Ann, the girl half your age,
21:30you love her, she lied about being pregnant.
21:32She's wormed her way back in.
21:33You say, today, if I find out she's cheated,
21:36it doesn't matter, we are done.
21:38Yeah.
21:39But if she passes, you want to marry her.
21:41Well, talk and visit and get it sorted.
21:44But I also heard on The Grapevine this week
21:47she's been talking dirty to another man, hasn't she?
21:49Well, she's been talking some of me old...
21:52Mate, I so...
21:53I hope she passes and you live happily ever after,
21:56but I also want to get your head out of your backside
21:59cos I'm not being horrible.
22:00Sally Ann's on The Jeremy Carr Show, that way!
22:09I don't want to marry you.
22:11That's OK.
22:12What did you say to him?
22:13I don't want to marry him.
22:14Oh, my God, I could have written this.
22:17You absolutely play this man, don't you?
22:19No, he actually texted me, actually,
22:22the day after the show, he said to me
22:23that another girl tried it on with him,
22:25and this other girl on Facebook turned around and said,
22:27no, he tried it on, he isn't a liar, that's what she said.
22:30But hold on a minute.
22:31You were outed last time on this show
22:33for lying about being pregnant.
22:35Your mate went nuts and said you've lied to me.
22:38Yes?
22:39Yeah.
22:40You've got a track record.
22:42What have you been doing since the last show?
22:44You were chatting with another man, weren't you?
22:46No, I was actually watch calling it back with him, back and forth.
22:50So you weren't talking dirty to another man.
22:52I mean, here's the thing,
22:53I would be the last person in the world...
22:55He thinks I'm a lesbian, cos I've got a lesbian friend.
22:57Who's a lesbian?
22:58I ain't supposed to be a lesbian.
22:59Are you?
23:00No.
23:01Where did that come from?
23:02From him.
23:03Is she a lesbian?
23:04No.
23:06That's why you accused me of...
23:07Hold on a minute, let's just...
23:09..a lesbian.
23:10Who's a lesbian?
23:12Have you had sex with her?
23:13No.
23:15She wouldn't be when I was...
23:16Oh, God.
23:17She wouldn't be a lesbian if she had?
23:19No way!
23:20Turn her!
23:2152!
23:23Got some spirit!
23:24Is he that good in bed?
23:25No, but I promise we're going to have more
23:27to basically feel satisfied.
23:29Yeah.
23:30Why are you putting up with this vile, foul-mouthed 26-year-old
23:35who doesn't respect you and lies to you?
23:37Why don't you just run away and go to, like, I don't know...
23:40APPLAUSE
23:41Why are you so honest with him?
23:43She's got you, mate, exactly where she wants you,
23:46and she knows it.
23:48She's the one who keeps phoning me, she's the one
23:50who keeps texting me.
23:51Tell her to do one, then!
23:52I have loads of time, she just keeps coming back.
23:54Oh, so why don't you send me a thing of Bruno Mars
23:56for the other night?
23:57What?
23:58What was that?
23:59Send me a video clip of Bruno Mars.
24:01We're finished.
24:02What's that?
24:03Why does that matter?
24:05He just keeps on messaging me, asking me, like,
24:07to meet you and all that.
24:08Are you in love with him?
24:09Yeah.
24:10But I've got to see you as soon as I've got trust issues.
24:13You've got trust issues, have you?
24:16Since the last show, how many times have you slept
24:18with Big Al?
24:21I can't remember off the top of my head.
24:23You love her as well, don't you?
24:24Yeah, I do, and she knows it.
24:28Yeah.
24:29But you put me through so much.
24:31Have you cheated?
24:32I can't put through no more.
24:33Have you cheated?
24:34He's put you through so much?
24:35Yeah, messing with my head.
24:36Messing with your head?
24:37You lied about being pregnant, darling.
24:39You're the one messing with people's heads.
24:41Come on, answer that!
24:43How am I?
24:45One minute you're telling me that you love me
24:47and the next minute...
24:50Well, is that plain enough for you?
24:51Don't listen, do you?
24:52You still keep messaging me back.
24:54You message me?
24:55I love Al.
24:56Al, you're my all-time king hero.
24:59I didn't mean king hero, I meant king and hero.
25:02He's a king hero.
25:04Oh!
25:05There we go.
25:06So, a note from the examiner, Sally-Anne,
25:08who lied before about being pregnant.
25:10Sally-Anne says she considers she never split up with Alan
25:12and they are still sleeping together.
25:15She says that on the night she stayed with the man in question,
25:18he kissed her.
25:19Excuse me.
25:20Ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow!
25:23Sally-Anne admitted that a few days ago
25:25she was talking by phone to another man.
25:27She admits talking dirty
25:29and says she was tempted to sleep with him.
25:31She said they did meet up in person
25:33but nothing happened.
25:34Is that right?
25:35Yes.
25:36Right, come with me.
25:37Let's go and get this test sorted.
25:38Why has he walked off, honestly?
25:42She admits to talking dirty
25:43and arranging to meet up with somebody.
25:44They met up and nothing.
25:45You don't understand.
25:46Since the start of your relationship with Alan,
25:47apart from what you've admitted to,
25:48have you had sexual contact with anyone else?
25:50She said no.
25:51Why did you say no?
25:52Very true.
25:53You're not going to be surprised
25:54when I tell you she lied on that question, are you?
25:55Since the start of your relationship with Alan,
25:57have you had sexual intercourse with anyone else?
25:59She said no.
26:00She lied on that question.
26:01And don't go anywhere.
26:02And can I say something?
26:03Because we've known each other 11 years.
26:05He's the one we should be looking after.
26:07Since the start of...
26:08Seriously, do one, love.
26:10Ow, ow, ow, ow!
26:11Sorry.
26:13Ow, ow.
26:15Can you lose these people, please?
26:16Ow.
26:17Can you lose them?
26:18Ow, come here.
26:19I'm sorry.
26:21Come here, come here.
26:22Come here, come here.
26:23Come here, come here.
26:29Since the start of your relationship with Alan,
26:31have you had sexual intercourse with any man in question?
26:33Mate, look at me.
26:34I know what it's like.
26:35She's failed every single question.
26:37Listen to me.
26:38Shall I tell you something from a 51-year-old man?
26:40Listen to me.
26:41Listen to me.
26:42Come on.
26:43There are plenty of times in the world
26:45when you believe in somebody, whatever your age,
26:47and the whole world tells you that it's not going to work
26:50and you believe it is, right?
26:52And when it ends up that they were telling the truth,
26:54it doesn't matter.
26:55It matters about you seeing it for what it is.
26:57You are a million times better than her.
26:59She's a duplicitous liar,
27:00and you need, with your friends and our support,
27:02to move on from her, OK?
27:03Come on.
27:04OK?
27:05Come on.
27:06Do not let her one way in.
27:07Lyndon, thank you for being a good friend.
27:09All right.
27:11She lied.
27:12All right.
27:13She's a liar.
27:14All right.
27:15And you are better than that.
27:16All right.
27:17Give him a round of applause.
27:18We're going to look after him,
27:19and she can deal with her own stuff.
27:21All right, mate?
27:22Thanks, Kaz.
27:28Good luck to them, right?
27:29My next guest today, Megan, is here,
27:30convinced that her partner of six months, Jason,
27:32has been cheating on her.
27:33She says that he will go out in the early hours of the morning
27:36with no excuse,
27:37leaving her wondering where her partner is
27:39and what he's up to.
27:41She says the affection has gone from their relationship
27:43and is utterly convinced
27:44that he's getting this from elsewhere.
27:46She's desperate for Lie Detector
27:47to find out if the man she says she loves, Jason,
27:49is, in fact, a two-faced cheat.
27:52Big day for her.
27:53Megan's on The Jeremy Kyle Show.
27:55That way.
28:04Doesn't want to come out.
28:05We've got a refusal, ladies and gentlemen.
28:07I want to make her sound like a show-jumping horse,
28:09don't I?
28:10How are you?
28:11Why didn't you come out?
28:12I'm scared.
28:13Sorry?
28:14Scared.
28:15You're scared?
28:16But you want the truth?
28:17Why are you scared?
28:18It's a sad thing.
28:20Darling, this is a talk show.
28:21Unless you talk, I'm not going to be able to do this.
28:23I'm just nervous about going on.
28:25You'll be all right with me?
28:28What's this doing to you?
28:29Anybody can see, but...
28:30How long have you been...
28:31Oh, bless, come here.
28:32You notice everybody disappears.
28:33I get no help at all around here.
28:35Right.
28:38How long have you been with him?
28:40Six months.
28:41Can't hear you.
28:42About six months.
28:43We're not going to lie, he's 34, you're 17.
28:46I suspect that an awful lot of people told you not to be with him.
28:50An awful lot of people said he'll take advantage and he's no good.
28:53And you stuck your head in the sand and...
28:56I think it was fine until a few weeks ago.
28:58What happened?
28:59I found messages on the phone to another girl.
29:03Saying what?
29:04Saying if I weren't Megan, would you get with me and stuff like that.
29:08He didn't really want to come here, did he?
29:09No.
29:10He doesn't like me, he doesn't like this show,
29:11he doesn't like the lie detector, he...
29:13Why is he here?
29:14There's been nothing but a pain in the backside to everybody that works here.
29:17Why is he here?
29:18He come because I mask and do.
29:20Do you love him?
29:21Yeah.
29:22Do you think he's going to pass or fail?
29:2450-50.
29:25And if he passes, everything will be rosy in the garden,
29:27but if he fails, you realise what's going to happen.
29:29He's going to say that it's all my fault and the lie detector's rubbish.
29:32No, I already told him I believe the lie detector.
29:34Shall we go on stage?
29:36Shall we do the results?
29:37Come on.
29:38Come on.
29:39Come on.
29:40Come on.
29:41I know it's difficult, I know it's nerve-racking,
29:43but they love you, look, all right?
29:45Don't worry about it.
29:46It's all right, all right.
29:47It's all right.
29:51Let's not prejudge him, he's been with him six months,
29:53he's Jason, he's 34, he's next on the car show.
29:56That way, ladies and gentlemen.
30:03That way, Danny, all right?
30:04Yeah.
30:05I want us to read this story this morning, it's brilliant.
30:07Everything with Megan was absolutely fine
30:09until out of nowhere she became paranoid.
30:11I woke up one day very early and went out.
30:13What time did he leave you?
30:15I don't know, cos I was asleep.
30:17I woke up about nine and he said he went to go to Jobcentre.
30:19Well, that's a good thing.
30:20You see, I thought it was three o'clock in the morning.
30:22I was ranting this morning to the producer saying,
30:24she says he woke up in the middle of the night
30:26and he'd gone somewhere and he went, I've gone to the Jobcentre.
30:28Here's someone who's going to go down like a lead balloon,
30:30but I'm going to say it cos it's one of those days.
30:32Maybe all you unemployed people shouldn't be in bed
30:34at nine o'clock in the morning, maybe that's a good thing.
30:36Maybe you should be at the Jobcentre.
30:38I don't know.
30:40I haven't been in bed till nine o'clock for about 50 years.
30:44What's wrong with him going to the Jobcentre?
30:49Cos I looked on the back of the book and it didn't have that date on it
30:52that he had to go to Jobcentre.
30:53Answer that.
30:55I helped you, now answer that, come on.
30:57I had a call cos it said on the back.
30:59I had to go to Jobcentre.
31:00Yeah, but I looked at it and it wasn't that same date you went on.
31:02What about the messages to the other woman?
31:04She knows about that.
31:05What?
31:06She knows about that.
31:07What do you mean you know about that?
31:08She knows about that.
31:09What about the age gap? Is that a problem?
31:11I mean, people...
31:12But it obviously is for...
31:13She's obviously had people say things, yes?
31:16Yeah, we've got a lot over it now.
31:18So are you cheating on her?
31:19No.
31:20Are you going to pass?
31:21Yes.
31:22Brilliant.
31:24Very dynamic, aren't you?
31:25Thank you for coming.
31:27Thrilling meeting you.
31:31Since the start of your relationship with Megan,
31:33have you passionately kissed anyone else?
31:35You said no. What does saying no do, Joyce?
31:36I'm telling the truth.
31:37No, this says you're a liar.
31:40No.
31:41Test's wrong, yeah?
31:42I'm not a liar.
31:43What's a lie?
31:44I haven't cheated on her.
31:45No, it says you kissed somebody.
31:47No, I haven't kissed nobody.
31:48Oh, OK.
31:49Maybe on the way to the Jobcentre.
31:51Since the start of your relationship with Megan,
31:53have you had sexual contact with anyone else?
31:55You said no, this says you were lying on that as well.
31:58Bearing in mind that if you go into the test
32:00and you are giving one lie, it will make you out to be a liar,
32:03your boyfriend has six months to fill out every single question.
32:06I'm just paid to read it out.
32:08You're looking perplexed. Why are you looking perplexed?
32:10I haven't cheated.
32:11Well, you look as guilty as seven if you want me to be honest.
32:14Right, so she doubted you, she found messages from another woman.
32:17Something's happened, hasn't it, pal?
32:19No, nothing's happened.
32:21I haven't cheated.
32:22God, you two must have fun together.
32:24Yeah, it's great.
32:37Oh, a different place to stand. Where's she gone?
32:40Jacket.
32:41Oh, he doesn't want her, he wants his jacket. I love that.
32:46He is going to follow you, love, but he's just getting his jacket first.
32:49That might show you something about his priorities.
32:51Could we just do this really quickly?
32:53What happens?
32:55I don't know.
32:56I don't mean to be... I'm just going to be really, really honest,
32:59cos some people...
33:01Anything to say?
33:02No, I haven't cheated.
33:03Right, well, he says he hasn't cheated,
33:05so isn't that a reason just to carry on into your happy relationship
33:08where you feel like you need to check his phone,
33:10he goes to the job centre at nine o'clock in the morning
33:12and you don't trust him?
33:13You need to talk to me.
33:15Talk to him.
33:16I just want to go.
33:17You just want to go?
33:19Are you going to stay with him?
33:20I don't know.
33:21You don't know?
33:22But she'll probably stay with you, won't she?
33:24I don't know. I haven't cheated.
33:26You're going to carry on lying, you're going to carry on being deceived,
33:29and really there's very little I can do.
33:31So, I mean, you know, in terms of another happy couple of customers,
33:34I suppose you should go that way together
33:36and everything's absolutely fantastic, isn't it?
33:38Well, have you got your jacket, by the way?
33:40Well, actually...
33:41There you are, there's your jacket.
33:43So that's lovely, that'd be lovely.
33:48Very nice to see you, thanks for coming
33:50and very nice to feel that we've done the right thing.
33:59Good luck to them, we'll let you know.
34:01Right, my next guest today, Leah, is here,
34:03and she suspects her girlfriend Erin is a cheat
34:05after she found a love bite on her neck.
34:07Now, she also says there are rumours going around
34:09that she's even seeing men, and today she says
34:11if she fails the lie detector on this show, it's over.
34:13Leah is on The Jeremy Carl Show. That way.
34:20APPLAUSE
34:25How to make me feel really unpopular.
34:27Are you all right? I am.
34:28How are you doing? Just nervous.
34:30You ran the show, you don't trust your girlfriend. Yeah.
34:34We're trying to facilitate you getting an answer.
34:36Sit back, relax, talk to me, come on.
34:38How long have you been with her? Four years on and off.
34:41On and off? Why's that?
34:42It's just, we started out friends
34:45and then we just wanted to see how things go.
34:48You love her, don't you? Yeah.
34:50A lot.
34:52You know, there can be labels and headlines, can't there?
34:55I saw a love bite, but you've also said to us
34:58that it's not just women you fear that she might be seeing,
35:01men as well. Yeah.
35:02So why have you done a lie detector then if you don't trust her?
35:05Because I come home with a love bite on my neck, so...
35:08You also had a love bite? Yeah.
35:10It's love bite city.
35:14So you don't trust her and she doesn't trust you.
35:16I'll tell you what we'll do, make this easy.
35:18Get Erin to come over here. Give her a round of applause.
35:21APPLAUSE
35:23I'll just come round the back. Right, so...
35:25So you've got to help me.
35:27You contact us and you say you want our help
35:29and then you don't say anything. What do you want me to do?
35:32I know it's nerve-wracking, I know it's difficult.
35:34I'm trying to help you here, but I need you to talk to me.
35:37You don't trust her? No.
35:39Hello, Erin, how are you? Nervous.
35:41Why are you nervous?
35:42See, I read this story that you come back with a love bite
35:45and she's just admitted that she came back with a love bite.
35:48What's going on? It was early stages of our relationship.
35:51Do you two want to be together?
35:53Tell me about how long you've been with her.
35:55Four years, on and off. Why on and off?
35:58Just... Accusations in the past, you know.
36:00So there's been a lot of insecurity? This has happened before, yeah.
36:03She thinks she's been at it with men and women. Talk, darling.
36:06I just want to try and sort it out.
36:09You know, if not, we can just walk off and be friends, like we was.
36:14So if one of you's cheated, you're going to resort to being friends, yeah?
36:18That's what we discussed. Have you cheated? No.
36:21If either of you have cheated, you're going to revert to what you used to be.
36:25What gets you excited or angry, love?
36:27Do you love this girl? Yeah.
36:32But you don't really want to be with her?
36:35Yeah, I want to be with her.
36:37Well, you don't sound very convincing.
36:40Erin, do you want to be with her? Yeah.
36:42How come you failed every single question, then?
36:45Sorry?
36:47What, are you going to make an excuse now?
36:49No, that was at the beginning of the relationship, which we've talked about.
36:52Hey, that's the old thing, innit?
36:54It was during the relationship you cheated on her, yeah? Yeah.
36:57Didn't tell us, though, the lie detector examiner,
36:59but you've come up with it was at the beginning, yeah? Yeah.
37:01So you did cheat? When I was drunk, yeah. Yeah, OK.
37:04I've tried really hard with you two.
37:06She failed every single question as well.
37:09And interestingly...
37:12..since the start of your relationship with Erin,
37:14have you passionately kissed a man?
37:16You said no. This called you a liar.
37:19These old questions are about men, love, aren't they?
37:23You cheated on her with a man, didn't you?
37:25Yeah, at the beginning of the relationship.
37:27See, here's the thing I'm going to say, then you can think what you want.
37:30You two have been a pain in the proverbial backside to my team from day one.
37:34Let me explain to people watching this.
37:36You ring us, you want to come on this show.
37:38We lay on, we do whatever. It's nothing to do with us.
37:41We were asked to read this out.
37:43The two of you have both cheated and admitted it
37:45and you come out with that old chestnut,
37:47oh, it's the beginning of the relationship, which is fine.
37:49If it works for you, fine, but you know what?
37:51Your relationship's a joke and I've got better things to do with my life.
37:56I honestly don't ever remember Ali sort of sitting down and saying to me,
38:00you know, I want to be a woman.
38:02Have you ever had any moments when you've regretted your decision?
38:05No, never.
38:06Happiest you've ever been?
38:08I'm happy sometimes from ignorant people,
38:12but luckily most people aren't ignorant.
38:19Have you been accused of cheating?
38:21Do you need to prove your innocence with a lie detector?
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38:54Welcome back. My next guest today, Matt,
38:56is here to talk about how his identical twin brother
38:58made the decision to live his life as a woman
39:00after gender reassignment surgery.
39:02He's proud to have a sister named Alyssa.
39:04It's a wonderful story. Matt's on the Jeremy Carr Show.
39:13Lovely guy. Thank you very much. How are you?
39:15I'm fine, thank you. Look at you.
39:17I was expecting sort of line dancing. Fantastic.
39:20Welcome to the show. This is a fascinating story.
39:23Yeah, it is. I guess my first question would be
39:25why do you and Alyssa want to do it?
39:28Well, just to change people's opinions, I think,
39:31and it, you know, not...
39:33I mean, people are changing a lot with gay people.
39:36This isn't about sexuality, though. This is about gender, isn't it?
39:39Gender, yeah. I think there's still a stigma
39:41and it's still that, you know, people that are born
39:44in the wrong bodies and then have the courage...
39:46Absolutely. ..to follow their dreams.
39:48And I think people, I don't know what you think,
39:50but I think the good thing about doing a part like this
39:52is I think people, out of ignorance, maybe whatever,
39:56they'll make a judgement or they'll pretend they don't understand
40:00and actually put yourself in that position.
40:02Yeah. I love the quote from Alyssa. She said,
40:04-"Growing up was hard. My twin brother would climb trees
40:06and I'd listen to Celine Dion."
40:08Yeah, well, I listened to Celine Dion as well.
40:10You're a gay man. This extraordinary story, twins.
40:13You say, I remember that the kids at school used to look
40:16and say to me, your brother's like a girl.
40:19Which one's you with the 80s quiff? I'm Harry Potter on the...
40:22Oh, yeah! I hate that bit.
40:24Hogwarts? Yeah.
40:26Not surprised when you came out.
40:28But let's talk about the transition.
40:30How do you ever have that conversation with your friends,
40:33your family? How do you do that?
40:35Again, I think in our family, we've all...
40:38I don't know whether we've all kind of dealt with it differently,
40:42but I honestly don't ever remember Ali sort of sitting down
40:45and saying to me, you know, I want to be a woman.
40:49I think she was always very feminine.
40:52You know, so I think for me, it was when I started kind of realising,
40:56was when, you know, the eyebrows started to get a bit thinner
40:59and, you know, the hair got longer,
41:01the clothes started getting more feminine.
41:03But even when we were younger, I remember her, like,
41:05trying my sister's clothes on.
41:07And the interesting thing about this, she started this at 17,
41:10which is incredibly long when you consider the procedures.
41:13And almost now, more than half of her life has been as a woman.
41:16And I loved your line, and I know the audience will as well.
41:19I didn't lose a brother, I gained a sister.
41:21Her soul hasn't changed and she's found who she is.
41:23She's a lovely lad.
41:25And that's what it should be about, really, you know?
41:29I mean... You say she's inspirational.
41:31Now, you're a bit worried. This is interesting.
41:33She's been on a few dates.
41:35God, she's pure Jeremy Carr.
41:37Some men wanted naked pictures so that she could pull...
41:40Yeah, she's had that side of it.
41:42I think there's guys, I mean, she's had guys that have, like,
41:45tried taking her out on dates for bets with her friends
41:48and, you know, and she just...
41:50I think for Ali, she's got a lot of, like, her girlfriends
41:53have married, they've got children.
41:56And she wants, you know, I know she wants that too,
41:59and she deserves it.
42:01How proud of you are of her, are you?
42:03I'm very, very proud of her.
42:05We all are, everyone in the family.
42:07And that's the thing, when I have, you know, over the years,
42:10when I have had people, like, that I've got to know,
42:13or it's been a new friend, and then, you know,
42:15they found out about Ali,
42:17and then they've kind of talked to me about it.
42:19Had any derogatory comments?
42:21Have you had people who will make judgements,
42:23people who don't understand the ignorance coming through?
42:25Yeah, I mean, I've had people that we kind of, like,
42:27grew up with, I suppose, at school,
42:29that know Ali's journey, you know,
42:33but they, you know, a couple of times have come up to me
42:36and said, so, how's your brother?
42:38And it's kind of, even now, because, like you say,
42:40Ali's for half, you know, half of her life now,
42:42Ali's been Ali, so...
42:44It's Alyssa, isn't it?
42:46Yeah, Alyssa. I mean, I always say Ali, but it's Alyssa.
42:48Shall we bring her out? Really appreciate you being here.
42:50Thank you very much. Real respect.
42:52Alyssa's on The Jeremy Carl Show, that way.
43:06Sorry, can I just... I know, I absolutely know
43:09that everybody that works on The Jeremy Carl Show
43:11is going to know exactly what I'm going to say.
43:13You're beautiful.
43:15APPLAUSE
43:17Beautiful.
43:19I appreciate you and thank you.
43:21Thank you so much for coming on.
43:23Why did you? I asked Matt. Why did you want to be here, Alyssa?
43:27Well, for a long time,
43:29I kept my past a secret as much as I could,
43:33cos I was scared of getting rejected and things.
43:37And then something happened and it just changed me
43:42and so I just decided that I needed to be more open
43:46and so I just started to try and be more open about my past
43:51and be proud of it. Good for you.
43:53APPLAUSE
43:55When you, um...
43:57When you hear your brother talking about you in that way,
44:01that must make you very proud. Yeah.
44:03You've got a lovely statement, actually, from your mum, Janet,
44:06when Alyssa was 23.
44:08She started gender reassignment.
44:10She would wake up and regret it, or even worse, years down the line,
44:13realise she'd made a mistake.
44:15Even when she came out as a guy, I thought it was a phase.
44:17This is your mother being honest.
44:19It wasn't until I saw her wearing women's clothes
44:21that I realised this is who she was meant to be.
44:23Matt kept his sexuality a secret for many years.
44:26I think he saw how Alyssa was being treated
44:28and was scared he would be treated the same.
44:30Alyssa and Matt both have physical and verbal abuse
44:33due to homophobic attacks.
44:35I love both my son and my daughter with all my heart,
44:38regardless of who or what they are,
44:40and the world should learn to do the same.
44:42APPLAUSE
44:44Lovely. And that's why...
44:46That's why the other thing that I've liked it is because,
44:50you know, before the journey started for both of us,
44:53we knew that we would have the unconditional love of our mum.
44:56But difficult for parents.
44:58I've had parents on here that have found it impossible, Alyssa,
45:01to handle that sort of, you know, that thing.
45:04And I don't know how people that are still on the journey,
45:07whether it's, you know, wrong body or, you know, they're gay or lesbian,
45:11when they know that they're not going to get the support, I mean...
45:14That's sad. Alyssa, are you happy?
45:16Yeah. Yeah, I'm happy. How's the dating thing going?
45:19Um...
45:22It's all right.
45:24It's fine.
45:25Let me tell you, I reckon...
45:27If you go and ask the single women in our office,
45:29you're probably doing better than they are, to be honest.
45:32They're all looking at me really strangely.
45:34I want you to do me a favour, just to finish.
45:36Um, there will be people watching this,
45:38maybe teenagers, maybe older people,
45:40and I think Matt makes a really good point,
45:42who are struggling with who they are and what they are
45:44and what they want to be because of what they perceive to be society's view
45:48or how they feel they will be perceived.
45:51I love the fact that you've done what you've done
45:53and you look so happy and your family have supported you.
45:55What would you say to those people?
45:57Because a lot of them would never be able to see this light
45:59at the end of the tunnel. What would you say to them?
46:01Um...
46:03Just trust in yourself.
46:06Um...
46:08Believe in yourself because there will be some times
46:11where it's literally only yourself
46:14that will be able to get yourself through
46:17when your family aren't there or your friends aren't there.
46:20Have you ever had any moments when you've regretted your decision?
46:23No, never. Happiest you've ever been?
46:25I'm happy. I get unhappy sometimes from treatment,
46:30from ignorant people.
46:32But luckily, most people aren't ignorant.
46:35Well, I would think that the people who make any sort of judgment
46:38are that and nothing more than that.
46:40Well, it's insecurity within themselves.
46:42Of course it is. I mean, that's what this is about.
46:44People will always, you know, make comments about other people's lives
46:48but maybe they need to look in the mirror. Exactly.
46:50Last word from you, Matt. How proud are you of your sister?
46:53I'm very, very proud. We all are very, very proud of Ali.
46:56I mean, she works 50, 60 hours a week.
46:59You know, it's just hard work. What do you do?
47:02I work at two hospitals as a receptionist in a water plant.
47:07Unbelievable. And she's always been like that.
47:09From the minute she left school, just...
47:11That's what we like, somebody with a job. Yeah.
47:13Listen, really, really, really nice to meet you.
47:15Give them a big round of applause, guys.
47:17Thank you very much. Thank you for coming out, guys.
47:19Thank you. Very nice to meet you. Thank you.
47:21CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
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47:41On today's show...
47:43About five years ago, I was involved in a hit-and-run.
47:49I suffered, like, pains in my chest and both sides stopped growing.
47:54I was at 34 days and both of them rapidly went right down to 32.
48:02I couldn't get dressed in front of my partner or...
48:05I didn't feel comfortable and...
48:09I've been trying for, what, two years? Two years now, yeah.
48:12And nothing.
48:14I went to my GP and had blood tests.
48:18That came back saying I was low on the progesterone.
48:21The hormone, yeah. Yeah.
48:23Went for an ultrasound and that came back that I had a thick lining in my womb.
48:29It was too thick.
48:30What does being a mother mean?
48:32A mother.
48:33It means everything to you, doesn't it?
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48:52This morning's next.