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00:00For the love of the horse, for generations to come.
00:28Welcome to another edition of the TDN Writer's Room podcast.
00:31My name is Bill Finley.
00:32I'm a correspondent for the TDN.
00:34I also co-host the Sirius XM radio show, Down the Stretch.
00:38How y'all doing on this beautiful Tuesday morning when we tape?
00:41I'm Randy Moss of NBC Sports here in my home office.
00:45No sign of Lucy.
00:47Where's Lucy?
00:48There must be food upstairs.
00:50I don't know.
00:51She may come rolling in here and get on the couch in a little while.
00:54All right.
00:55I'm Zoe Catman here with First Racing.
00:58I'm actually at beautiful Keeneland for the Keeneland sale, which we will be talking about.
01:03If you actually look out the other side, when we had Shannon Arvin on last week and she
01:10was talking about all the building they're doing here, I mean, you've got to see this
01:15to actually believe it.
01:17It is going to be magnificent once it's finally done.
01:21Actually getting to the grandstands like a maze, actually trying to find your way here
01:25because everything is blocked off.
01:27You saw what Churchill Downs looked like, Randy.
01:30That was pretty terrific.
01:32This is going to be on par with that.
01:33It's going to be pretty amazing.
01:35Are they still keeping sort of the country club look when you pull up to Keeneland?
01:39I would imagine they will be.
01:42Nothing's been faced with stone yet because they're still in the building process.
01:46There's like a massive office building out there with Tyvek siding all across it right
01:51now.
01:52So I would imagine it's all going to look the same, but it is a big, big project.
01:57Wow.
01:58All right.
01:59So speaking of Keeneland, now we are recording this on a Tuesday, a matter of fact, before
02:04the sale is really rolled on into the day.
02:07But we need to talk about day one because, you know, Randy and I both aren't real experts
02:12on this.
02:13So we're leaning heavily on Zoe.
02:14You're our resident sales expert.
02:17But it looked like for all, for by all numbers, a very successful sale.
02:22And a couple of the numbers that are coming out of it, 14 horses sold for one million
02:26dollars or more, and they were bought by 14 different people.
02:30Zoe, how unusual is that?
02:32It's very unusual and it's actually huge.
02:35The top 21 horses were purchased by 20 different entities.
02:40There are people from everywhere here right now.
02:43We've got China, Japan, Taiwan, South Africa, France, England, South Carolina.
02:49Not that that's everywhere, but just the amount of people that came in.
02:53Princess Haya was here yesterday looking up horses.
02:57There are every kind of people here, which makes it just an absolutely terrific global
03:03sale, especially for books one and two.
03:06Now we're filming this on Tuesday, and so we've only had one day of sales so far.
03:12These are some of the highlights.
03:15The average rose 11 percent and the median rose 12.5 percent.
03:20Now the median is basically the one gauge you want to look at.
03:23It went from $400,000 to $450,000.
03:27That's a big difference from last year.
03:30A lot of horses are selling.
03:32Generally, the sale is on par with last year's numbers after day one.
03:37We'll see how it goes throughout the sale, but the 14 yearlings for a million dollars
03:41or more included a $2.2 million Gunrunner Colt from Four Star who went to Mandy Pope.
03:47A couple of first croppers that you don't usually see garnering so much money.
03:52Charlatans have been very well received.
03:55Coolmore bought this one for $1.4 million out of Guarana.
03:59Hillandale consigned him.
04:01He was absolutely gorgeous.
04:02Maxfield was also represented with a million dollar horse.
04:06So a little bit of everything at Keeneland, including the first crop sires standing up
04:11and just showing that they're here.
04:14And of course, Gunrunners, I mean, you want to talk about a super sire.
04:19I don't think I've ever seen so many good looking Gunrunners.
04:22It is just an amazing place to be.
04:25And to see all these different horses in one place, it's, I don't know, I'm speechless.
04:33It's very, very cool.
04:34Now trying to buy them could be a different matter.
04:36Merritt Farrell, who I helped, she got one yesterday and will continue throughout the
04:40sale.
04:41But to get one on day one is pretty tough going anyway.
04:45Of those 14 horses, five of them were by Gunrunner and his average sale price was $835,000.
04:53Is this emblematic of his stature?
04:55Is he the number one sire in the sport?
04:59It's going to get there.
05:00I mean, he's going to tap it's getting much older now, right?
05:04So he's basically passed the torch.
05:07Carlin's an old man now, so it's going to be Gunrunner and the new guns and he just
05:12stamps them.
05:13They're just so, so athletic.
05:15And you know, his sons are running too, and it's going to be Gunrunner, not this time.
05:20You got the freshman sire, like, like Charlton and Maxfield.
05:23It's a really exciting bunch of horses.
05:26We talked about all the different people that were buying horses and the very expensive
05:30ones at the sale.
05:31But two of the biggest buyers in the sport were relatively quiet.
05:34I mean, for them, John Stewart bought two horses and Mike Rapoli bought only one.
05:40We're used to, especially with Rapoli, him hauling 40 horses out of the sale and bringing
05:45them back to Todd Pletcher's barn.
05:47What do you think their game plan is, Zoe?
05:49Well, well, listen, we got $14 million yearling sale on day one.
05:55Last year, there were eight and 23 in total for book one, which is sold over two days.
06:02So a lot of people generally sit on their laurels on book one.
06:05The fact they didn't yesterday for day one of book one means they're going to come at
06:11it hard today and tomorrow, the next few days, until the dark day on Friday.
06:16By the time this airs, there's probably going to be $40 million horses that have passed
06:20through the ring.
06:22I do want to remind you that the TDN Writers' Room is brought to you by Keeneland.
06:26And yes, I am at Keeneland and the Keeneland September sale is underway and the weekend
06:32provided some good updates for some of the later books.
06:36Let's start with hit number 1069, who I actually looked at this morning.
06:41That's a half brother to Tenma, who got a huge update when his big sister won the grade
06:45one debutante on Saturday.
06:48Tenma herself was a Keeneland September graduate and hit 1069 sells Thursday with Stone Farm.
06:54Go down and see Arthur.
06:55He might play your tune on his guitar.
06:57Hit 2024 is the half brother to Howard Wolowitz, who won the grade one Franklin Simpson stakes
07:04on Saturday.
07:05He does sell Monday in book four.
07:07That's next Monday.
07:08We're here a long time at Keeneland.
07:10And the Keeneland September graduate Hang the Moon won the grade two John C. Mabee stakes
07:16on Saturday, providing a valuable update for his half brother.
07:20Hit 1701 by City of Light, who sells Sunday in book three with Brookdale sales.
07:27We'll be right back after this message from Keeneland.
07:30At Keeneland, a horse will always be measured in hands.
07:41Hands that see, that sense, that speak.
07:49Hands that hold our sport to a higher standard, not for our sake, but for theirs, for the
07:57love of the horse, for generations to come.
08:02And now for the fastest horse of the week, brought to you this week by Constitution,
08:06one of the fast sires at Windstar Farm.
08:09We like to call him America's sire.
08:11Get it?
08:12America, Constitution.
08:13It all kind of fits together nicely.
08:15Constitution, by the way, when you look at the leading sire list of twenty twenty four
08:19is all over the place.
08:20He's the third leading general sire behind only into mischief and the aforementioned
08:26gunrunner.
08:27He's the second leading sire of two year olds and three year olds, and he's the second
08:32leading turf sire.
08:34On Monday, he was also represented by a one million dollar yearling in the first session
08:37of Keeneland September.
08:39And you can find your Constitution coming up at the rest of the Keeneland September
08:44sale.
08:45Now, the fastest horse of the week ran Saturday at Kentucky Downs.
08:50For my money, the best performance we've seen so far at Kentucky Downs and we've seen a
08:54lot of good ones.
08:55And that would be Cogburn, who continued his turf sprint tour de force with a three and
09:01a quarter length win in the turf sprint at six and a half furlongs to win any turf sprint
09:07by three and a quarter lengths.
09:08You really got to be moving.
09:10And Cogburn ran a one oh seven buyer speed figure in that race to go along with his two
09:15most recent figs of one eleven and one oh seven.
09:20He's clearly the early leader right now for the Breeders' Cup turf sprint.
09:24And by the way, in winning that race at Kentucky Downs, Cogburn avenged his only previous turf
09:30defeat, which was in this very race last year in which he finished fifth Cogburn now six
09:36for seven lifetime on the grass, and he is this week's fastest horse of the week.
09:47Or delighted on this week's Thoroughbred Daily News Writers Room podcast, a very special
09:51guest, none other than Aiden O'Brien, one of the greatest trainers of all time and somebody
09:55who's going to probably make a lot of noise in the U.S. in the Breeders' Cup races coming
10:00up.
10:01Thank you so much for joining us.
10:02And, you know, all the buzz for City of Troy has reached our shores.
10:07We've heard about how good he is.
10:08We've heard about what you think of him.
10:09But when did you start thinking about the Breeders' Cup Classic for him and why the
10:14dirt instead of turf?
10:15Yeah, I suppose it was always on our mind, obviously, Bill, we've never won a classic.
10:20We've got we've been placed in the good few times.
10:24It's obviously a race that we'd love to win.
10:26And but we know that you need an exceptional horse to do it really.
10:30He's by Justify, which makes it very exciting and always made it look like he could be very
10:36special for us.
10:38So he's pacey, he's hardy, he stays, he's determined, he has all the things we think
10:45could have and you could have to make it happen.
10:49But obviously, it's a big ask to run on the dirt first time and a horse that's not trained
10:55on it.
10:57We've went close with horses before, obviously, like a Giant's Causeway and those horses.
11:02So you say he's not trained on it yet.
11:06This is pretty interesting.
11:07I think we find it over here fascinating the plans going forward, the immediate future
11:12for city of Troy, the September 20th workout at Southwell with an American starting gate
11:18with other explain to us the thoughts behind that and the logistics involved in getting
11:24it done.
11:25Yeah, I suppose Randy, he'll fly over to be like a race day for him to be an artificial
11:30surface.
11:31It's obviously it's not it's not dirt, but it's as close as probably we can get from
11:37here.
11:38And we don't want too big a change too quickly either.
11:40So it's a little bit of a change off of what he is used to.
11:45So yeah, obviously, to be out of American gates with horses, we'd probably go a mile
11:51And we probably do as much as we can to have them as ready as we can without changing his
11:56whole regime every day, I suppose.
12:00That's what we're trying to do.
12:01We're trying to do a little gently, really, rather than one big shock.
12:05And obviously, then the next one would be more as more severe for him.
12:08How many horses do you anticipate working with him?
12:12I suppose five, between five and eight, I think.
12:16Yeah.
12:17So we probably so it'll depend on what way to be.
12:20But we think we probably need at least five.
12:24So let me get this straight.
12:25You're going to load five or eight horses onto the Ballydoyle plane, take them to Southall.
12:32And you're also taking your American starting gate.
12:36When did you get an American starting gate at Ballydoyle?
12:39And can you just explain to everybody the difference between the English and the American
12:44ones?
12:45And why?
12:46Yeah, they're bigger, they're stronger, they're closer, and they go more to the ground.
12:50And obviously, the bell and there is a different field.
12:52And we've had them a long time now, but has made a big difference to us when we go to
12:57America with the horses.
12:59It's a whole different field.
13:00The stalls look bigger, but they're not.
13:02They're tighter because the sides come in closer than our stalls do here.
13:06So yeah, it's I suppose it's we're always trying to improve and to when we do go over
13:12to try to have as much practice done for whatever situation we have to deal with, I suppose.
13:19Yeah, Zoe.
13:20Will you will you use a handler?
13:22Because I know that's been problematic in the past, because you might not have one,
13:26but there'll be a guy next door that could spook your horse.
13:29Yeah, we probably will.
13:31Like our horses are very used to it all the time from the now from the time they start
13:38going into stalls, we treat them like the way you treat your horses in America with
13:41a handler goes in there sits with them and like all the horses, we do that all the time.
13:46So that's if or when we go to America, there's no real change.
13:50Would the plan be to expose him to kickback in this?
13:55Yeah, I think so.
13:57Well, the surface we're going to work on it, Ryan said there's not much kickback anyway.
14:02I'm not sure my experience of kickback either.
14:05They either take it or they don't.
14:06And obviously, you do your best not to be in kickback.
14:09I think that's the way I think all trainers approach it in America.
14:14If you have to, if you're in the situation, you're getting it, you can't do anything about
14:17it.
14:18But in an ideal world, you don't want to be getting it really sure you don't.
14:22Now still several weeks to go, but Aiden, City of Troy will be the headliner at this
14:26point in time.
14:27Can you tell us of other horses you're thinking of bringing to the Breeders' Cup?
14:31Yeah.
14:32Well, I suppose it's early, but we would have a lot of horses.
14:37Obviously, we have the Philly Content.
14:39She won the Yorkshire Oaks.
14:40And then we obviously would have two year olds, Bill.
14:43We always like to take a Colt and a Philly.
14:45And I suppose Whistlejacket is another one as a possible.
14:49He won the Marnie.
14:50He's going to run in the Middle Park next.
14:53So all those type of horses, really.
14:55Obviously, come that time of year, who's well, but the one thing we have learned, the horses
15:00have to be very good, have to be top class to go there.
15:03So it's like, obviously, we approach like all group ones that if they're good enough,
15:08we'll take them and try and if they're not, we won't.
15:12So another question I have on the City of Troy topic, we've seen over the years, you've
15:18seen over the years, the late, unfortunate late, super sire Galileo.
15:25The form of Galileo sired horses typically didn't translate that well from grass to dirt.
15:33The dam of City of Troy together forever is a daughter of Galileo with theatrical also
15:41on the in that pedigree.
15:43So it's almost exclusively turf and you've got justify, obviously, as the sire.
15:48Does this source remind you physically the way he runs a little bit more of justify maybe
15:54than together forever?
15:56I think he's always been around that way.
15:59He goes forward.
16:00We stopped.
16:01We stopped.
16:02He went forward in all his runs as a two year old.
16:04And then he kind of blew up on us in the guineas for Sean.
16:08I probably did.
16:09I had him too fresh.
16:10And after that, we kind of had to take our time with him here.
16:12Obviously, the style of racing is a little bit slower here.
16:16But I think naturally he's aggressive if you let him be.
16:19We haven't after the first day.
16:21We didn't leave him be.
16:23But obviously, we had it in our minds.
16:25If everything went well, the last day he would be going here next.
16:28So Ryan went forward on him and he did latch on.
16:32And I know, knowing the horse, he wanted to go forward more the next day.
16:36And if that was the case, that would suit your race.
16:38We think.
16:39How good do you feel the Sons of Justify are worldwide?
16:46Because it seems like he's got it all.
16:48We see him running on dirt and turf over here.
16:51He's done well in Australia.
16:52He seems to be flying over an island.
16:54What is it about him?
16:55Because physically looking at him, I spent a lot of time with him in Southern California.
17:00He just looks like your big burly dirt horse, but he's got that.
17:05Yeah.
17:06When we saw him first, he looked a different breed of turbot altogether.
17:09He looked like a big quarter horse, really.
17:11Right.
17:12Yeah.
17:13That's when we saw him as the first.
17:14We could not believe the amount of muscle and the power and the scope and the strength
17:18that he had.
17:19And then to be able to go get a mile and a half in the Belmont, it was freaky, really.
17:24So really, he's a different kind of a breed of turbot than we've seen ever before.
17:28We think.
17:29He's stock of a lot of class.
17:32They're very high cruisers.
17:33They're very genuine.
17:34They're very like Galileo's, but they have more speed.
17:38But I suppose what he did as a racehorse was just out of this world, like a horse that
17:42didn't run a tube to win the Triple Crown and be that size.
17:47So we just hoped, like obviously the boss obviously saw him and he wanted him and that's
17:52why he wanted to.
17:53He was just a different breed of turbot altogether.
17:56And that's what we're so excited about him, the way he's working here on the grass.
18:01And he looks like a massive, big, powerful dirt horse, doesn't he really?
18:05So, you know, you're absolutely right.
18:08We always look forward here to seeing the Coolmore horses for the Breeders' Cup.
18:12The Breeders' Cup would not even be close to what it is right now without John Magner
18:17and the rest of Coolmore and the horses that you've trained coming over here, such sporting
18:21gestures year after year after year.
18:25How much do you enjoy Del Mar as a site for the Breeders' Cup?
18:29Yeah, we love it.
18:31We love walking on the beach.
18:33It's unique, isn't it really?
18:35Like obviously when we go to the Breeders' Cup, it's a big, it's great for us to go over
18:40and experience it.
18:41I think you have to go and experience it to really believe it, the atmosphere and the
18:46hype.
18:47And, you know, it's just very special, really, that time of the year and all the best horses
18:51are there.
18:53And it's the ultimate test, really.
18:57It's interesting because when you come to America, you think, you know, you kind of
19:01go in and just mind your own business.
19:03But you've talked about how much you've learned from American trainers, in particular, Bob
19:08Baffert and Wesley Ward.
19:10What lessons, have you talked to them or you just follow them from afar and what have you
19:15learned from them?
19:16I'm not sure.
19:17Obviously, we've learned a lot from them and always do and try and obviously weigh in as
19:21well, you know.
19:22So, like every time we go, we learn a lot and like obviously, we would be friendly with
19:27all the American trainers and like they're always very forthcoming with information,
19:34what we should be doing and what they do and obviously, we see everything that they do
19:38as well and everything now is very public anyway and it's broadcasted to everybody,
19:44which is a big help, I think, to everybody.
19:47Information kind of is all the key, is always the key and experience of watching what they
19:52do and what we should do if we want to be successful or over there with you, really.
19:59What's left for Aidan O'Brien?
20:01You have won just about everything, asides from the Breeders' Cup Classic, like what
20:06are one of your goals that you're like, I really would love to win this race?
20:11Yeah, no, not really.
20:13We never approach anything like that.
20:14So we always try to do our best with every horse, take it as it comes and I think if
20:18you start doing that, it just becomes too difficult and too much pressure, you know.
20:22So we try and do our best with every horse to get the best out of them and try and win
20:27whatever races we would like to win.
20:29But some races are very difficult and like obviously, like the Classic, we haven't won,
20:34we've never won a Classic, you know, and we've ran very good horses in it.
20:37So it's very, very difficult and we've tried very hard but yeah, so all we can do is try
20:43again, really.
20:45Would you try the Kentucky Derby?
20:48Yeah, well, we have and we have had runners.
20:51It's very tough in this part of the world because maybe the preparation isn't as tough
20:56to get into it.
20:57I think a lot of the horses in the Kentucky Derby, it's a tough preparation and they're
21:01really ready for when it does come.
21:03We wouldn't be able to probably give them that preparation over here.
21:06But like everything, it's not impossible, we think, but you just have to have the right
21:10horse and you don't win it with a second racer, really.
21:14So on that same general topic, Aiden, one of the big stories of American racing this
21:19year, especially this summer, has been that Godolphin and Charlie Appleby have sent basically
21:26a full-time string to stay in the United States.
21:29I think they've run 19 different horses this year.
21:32They made almost $5 million in purses.
21:35Is that something you think that your bosses, Mr. Magner and Tabor and Smith, might possibly
21:40be looking at for the future?
21:43Yeah, I'm not sure.
21:44Like, obviously we have Valley Dial here and we have all kinds of gallops and it's a pain
21:51journey away, really.
21:53That's all.
21:54So it's a very safe environment here.
21:58And I don't know whether the lads have looked at that and I don't know whether they will
22:02or they won't, but it's not a long trip across the sea, really.
22:12Aiden, the hard-hitting journalist that I am, I'm going to ask you a real tough question
22:15if you don't mind, Aiden.
22:16What's the story with the dog?
22:19We're minding her for Anna, and Anna is in America at the moment, in San Francisco.
22:23And she's missing Anna.
22:24There's two of them there.
22:25So that's what's going on.
22:26And anybody who goes by the door, they think it's Anna.
22:32We're all dog fans.
22:33We enjoy the sound effect.
22:34That's really nice.
22:35Well done.
22:36Well done.
22:37Well done.
22:38Well done.
22:39I've got one more question.
22:40No problem.
22:41Aside, let's get off horses.
22:44Does Aiden O'Brien have a bucket list of a place he'd like to see, like to go?
22:50Would you want to jump out of an aeroplane?
22:52Is there something that you want to do other than horse racing?
22:55Like, obviously, there's a lot of stuff and I don't do much, ever.
22:58I go racing and I go to the tracks and I don't get time, really, to do anything, really.
23:03That's just the way my life is.
23:05It's seven days a week, 24 hours a day.
23:09And if we fail, we've done our best and we can accept it.
23:16But if we fail and we haven't, it's just harder.
23:19So the time will come, I presume, when that will happen.
23:22But at the moment, it's full on and it has been for 25, 30 years.
23:28But listen, hopefully, I see those places on telly at the moment.
23:33We hear that from trainers all the time over here, also, Aiden.
23:36I remember talking to Bob Baffert and when he had his unfortunate suspension a couple
23:42of years ago, a couple of summers ago, he took his family on a big vacation and he said
23:46it was the first time he'd ever been able to do it.
23:49When's the last time you just went on a vacation, left it all behind?
23:54Yes.
23:55A week?
23:56Two weeks?
23:57Yes.
23:58When?
23:59No.
24:00So we've never done it, really.
24:01We go to the Breeders' Cup every year and then we go from Breeders' Cup, we usually
24:05go to Barbados for a week to meet the lads in Barbados.
24:09But this year, we won't be because we have Augustus Rodin, the plan is for him to go
24:13to Japan after his next run.
24:16So we'll be trying to get back here as quick as we can.
24:19So hopefully, sometime we'll see those places.
24:21I think the Sandy Lane Hotel in Barbados qualifies as a nice vacation.
24:25Exactly, exactly, exactly.
24:27Aiden, before we let you go, I have one last question for you.
24:30This is the first time, I believe, that you've run horses at Kentucky Downs this year.
24:35What are your plans in the future going forward?
24:38Will we see you participate even more?
24:40How much of a buzz is it creating in Europe with these just unbelievable purses?
24:45Yeah, no, I think it's unbelievable, really, and that's what will bring horses.
24:50The purses will bring horses, and that's what's happening, and I think everybody's talking
24:54about it, and I think it's only going to become more popular and more popular.
24:59Everybody wants to be there, and listen, obviously, everyone knows training horses is an expensive
25:05operation and has to be funded, and for maybe horses that, especially Geldons or Colts,
25:12that maybe are not good enough to go to stud, it's a big outlet, and I think everyone is
25:16talking about it all over the world, you know, and I think it's going to get more and more
25:20popular, really.
25:21Very good.
25:22Meanwhile, I volunteer to take your place at Sandy Lane Hotel next year when you can't
25:26make it.
25:28Maybe we can do the podcast from Sandy Lane.
25:33That's on my bucket list, actually.
25:35Well done.
25:36All right.
25:37Well, Aidan, we want to thank you for joining us today on the TDN Writer's Room podcast.
25:41Best of luck with City of Troy.
25:42Keep up the good work.
25:43You're having a typical great year, and it was a joy to talk to you, and we'll see you
25:47at the Breeders' Cup.
25:48Look forward to it, Bill.
25:49Thanks.
25:51We can.
25:52Thanks, Joey.
25:53Thanks, everybody.
25:54The TDN Writer's Room brought to you by that well-known acronym, the PHBA, the Pennsylvania
25:59Horse Breeders Association.
26:01And congratulations to another big Kentucky Downs winner.
26:04That would be Niecy Marie Bread in the great state of Pennsylvania, winner of the Light
26:09and Wonder Ladies Marathon Stakes.
26:12It's a grade three also on that star-studded Saturday card at Kentucky Downs.
26:17She brought home a $600,000 payday for owner Michael Milan and trainer Butch Reed.
26:23Niecy Marie's earnings are now over $1 million, and she's at least in the conversation for
26:28the Breeders' Cup Philly and Mare Terp.
26:31She was coming off a third place finish, by the way, in the Beverly D, which we'll talk
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27:25With some of the fullest fields in the country and quality racing year-round, there's never
27:30been a better time to reap the rewards of breeding and racing in Kentucky.
27:36Purse money in Kentucky is at an all-time high, as is average purse per race, outpacing
27:41California, Florida, and New York.
27:45Kentucky Breds.
27:47Breed them.
27:48Raise them.
27:49Race them.
27:50We all win.
27:55And now let's talk about Kentucky Breds.
27:57There's a lot to talk about here.
27:58Kentucky Breds swept the Grade 1 races this past weekend.
28:01Howard Wolowitz, who Zoe just mentioned, won that $2 million Franklin Simpson stakes at
28:06Kentucky Downs.
28:07The first ever Grade 1, by the way, in Kentucky Downs' 34-year history.
28:12To that point, it was the first ever Grade 1.
28:14Ken Ma also won the Del Mar debutant, with gaming capturing the Del Mar futurity.
28:20Each of the breeders of those three winners earned a $7,500 Kentucky Breeders Incentive
28:25Fund Award for breeding a Grade 1 winner.
28:28You can find your Kentucky Bred at the Keeneland September sale going on now through 9-21.
28:37So I want everybody to see my t-shirt.
28:39And Randy, they don't make Senor Buscador t-shirts.
28:45Not yet.
28:46Not yet.
28:47You think they will?
28:48So, okay.
28:49So I got one up on you.
28:50I got a t-shirt for my favorite horse.
28:51You're still waiting for the Senor Buscador t-shirts to come out.
28:53Or the Dermasotagake.
28:54Or the Jewfrails.
28:55Yes, yes, yes.
28:56And Bear Manor.
28:57Where did you get that book?
28:58Just on Amazon.
28:59Yeah.
29:00You just Googled Bookham Dano t-shirt?
29:01Yeah.
29:02There we go.
29:03There was more.
29:04There were several choices.
29:05So, anyways.
29:06Hang on.
29:07Let me Google Senor Buscador t-shirt.
29:08Go ahead.
29:09All right.
29:10So the Kentucky Downs meet ends tomorrow, which is Wednesday.
29:11We're recording this on Tuesday.
29:12So some of these things could change.
29:13But once again, it's hard to get used to.
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32:52And so the Turf Cup had a $2 million purse compared to $750,000 for the Sword Dancer.
32:57The Sword Dancer, the 1, 2, 3 finishers were Farbridge, Measured Time, and Silver Knot,
33:03all three of whom would have been a solid, solid favorite at Kentucky Downs if they had
33:08come for the Turf Cup.
33:09And really, the only explanation that I can offer, and Saratoga is Saratoga, obviously,
33:15and it's easier for those horses to stay there than to ship.
33:18But also, I think there's some concern occasionally about the quirkiness and the uphill, downhill
33:26nature of the Kentucky Downs course as opposed to the flat, three-turn mile and a half at
33:32Saratoga, which they'll also have when they run a Del Mar in the Breeders' Cup.
33:38Goliad won the Mint Millions, a grade three mile.
33:41He's going to be a long shot, though, for the Breeders' Cup mile.
33:45Nisi Murray will be a long shot as well.
33:47Gran Sonata actually will be a long shot, I think, in the Breeders' Cup turf if he runs there.
33:53So anyway, that's the action on the track.
33:56The only other bad thing I can say about Kentucky Downs, please, please, on the behalf of bettors,
34:03on the behalf of handicappers, on the behalf of anybody who makes figs, take all of that
34:08money and come up with an accurate timing system before you get to next year's Kentucky
34:15Downs races.
34:16Okay?
34:18Please, please.
34:19You got all that money.
34:20You can do it.
34:21You can do it.
34:22And I think you will.
34:23Absolutely.
34:24I was waiting for that one.
34:25We've got to give kudos to Dick Mandela.
34:27Goliad, two for two at Kentucky Downs, made $1.45 million in six days.
34:36Wouldn't I love to own him?
34:38Oh, my goodness.
34:39Two for two.
34:40And then Tistastic for Asmussen made a mere $745,000 in six days.
34:47One more thing about that.
34:49We see horses at Kentucky Downs, we saw it several times, horses come back on very short
34:53rest to take advantage of that purse money.
34:55And people say, okay, well, it shows you that horses can do it in the Kentucky Derby in
35:00the Preakness.
35:01And yes, they can do it in the Kentucky Derby in the Preakness.
35:06But turf is a little different than dirt.
35:11Racing on dirt takes a lot more out of horses than racing on turf.
35:15Horses running through sand as opposed to running on grass, much more strenuous, much
35:20more taxing on horses.
35:22So trainers are more likely, I think, to come back on very short rest in turf racing than
35:28they are in dirt racing.
35:30And that played a lot into why that and the purse money, why trainers wanted to, in certain
35:35circumstances, wanted to come back on short rest to Kentucky Downs, and it paid off.
35:42Trainers tend to copy what has worked.
35:44And I'm glad you brought this up, Zoe.
35:46You know where I stand on this.
35:47This is the greatest thing that's happened to horse racing, that these horses came back
35:50in six days rest.
35:52There's been three winners so far at the meet who have run a second time at Kentucky Downs.
35:58And the race you were talking about, the Mint Million, the horses that ran first and second,
36:03not just Goliad, but Cash Equity, also came back in six days.
36:08So if the Chad Browns of the world who like to give their horses seven weeks off in between
36:12races are listening, take a lesson from Kentucky Downs.
36:15It's not that hard.
36:17OK, but again, you're right.
36:20So look at the job Dick Mandela did for owners Perry and Ramona Bass in six day period.
36:25The horse wins two stakes races.
36:27And you're right, Zoe, one point four nine five million in earnings in six days in two
36:33races. And I think this is probably going to catch on a little bit more.
36:36You know, people see that it can be done.
36:38And hey, did you see what Mandela did with Goliad?
36:41I think we can do that this year.
36:42We'll run an opening day and then we'll run a little bit later.
36:45So it's a breath of fresh air to see that.
36:48And it's a key if you can get in as well, would be one of the keys to running twice.
36:52I'm sure there were several that tried and didn't get in.
36:54And then obviously Mandela and Asmussen, I don't know for a fact, but I'm going to
36:59guarantee those horses stayed down there.
37:02They don't have to train on the dirt and probably just hand walked, maybe had a jog
37:06around the racetrack and just stayed down there in the same climate and did nothing.
37:11Probably fresh as a daisy going in six days later.
37:15Well, let's move our attention now to Delmar, where his closing weekend and as is
37:19expected, Bob Baffert, but this is the story you haven't heard before.
37:23Won both two year old races.
37:24The Delmar Futurity Baffert won for the 18th time.
37:28Amazing with gaming.
37:30And he's one of four straight now.
37:32I look back of his prior 17 winners.
37:36Only two won the Kentucky Derby.
37:37That's still very impressive accomplishment.
37:39They were American Pharoah and Silver Charm.
37:41I don't know if gaming is going to be added to that list.
37:44He was not the most highly liked Baffert horse by the betters.
37:51The horse that was made the favorite was Citizen Bull, another Baffert.
37:55And he ran a modest third in there.
37:57But gaming right now for Bob Baffert and his buddies, Mike Pegram, Mr.
38:02Watson and Mr.
38:02Whiteman is on his way, I'm sure, to the Breeders' Cup, Randy.
38:07Yeah, so you have a horse that breaks his maiden as a first time starter at
38:13Delmar in mid-August, five and a half links, comes back, wins the Delmar
38:19Futurity, okay, length in three quarters.
38:22Baffert had a horse in the race that was the favorite, who was a beaten third
38:29while Baffert's other horse wins.
38:31Sounds very familiar, right?
38:33Okay, that's the sire, game winner.
38:36This is almost exactly the same scenario between gaming and game winner.
38:42Game winner, Roadster, I think was a heavy favorite the year that he ran in
38:46the Delmar Futurity, and they both ran seven furlongs in, one of them went
38:51103.02, game winner went, excuse me, 123.02, game winner went in 123.18.
38:59So yeah, gaming's got a, looks like he's got a pretty bright future, got a
39:02nice trip, not just the 18th Delmar Futurity winner for Baffert, the fourth
39:09in which owner Mike Pegram has been either the owner or the co-owner.
39:13And they do that, the three amigos, they buy modest priced horses with
39:19Hall of Famer Bob Baffert, and they get lucky, and he got a really good trip.
39:24Now, is he going to be the champion two-year-old?
39:26I don't know, was he on my radar going in?
39:29Probably not.
39:30He was the recipient, again, of a wonderful ride by Flavian Pratt, saved
39:34all the ground, did it the right way, split horses, getaway car, went out
39:39there like he does, and just ran as fast as he could for as long as he could,
39:44and didn't manage to hold on.
39:45So he got the speed up front that he needed and got a nice patient ride.
39:50Had he really had much kickback before?
39:52No, but he managed to handle it just fine.
39:55And he won nicely, he looked good going away.
39:57Not that fast, he got an 82 that maybe could have been a little bit faster,
40:02but he's bred to go two turns, obviously, he's by game winner, they'll
40:05run him in the American Pharoah.
40:06Meanwhile, the horses on the East Coast, the hopeful horses, they were so
40:09impressive, Chancellor McPatrick and Ferocious will probably run in the
40:12Champagne, so we'll get one more look at these two-year-olds.
40:15I would put the Eastern two-year-olds, maybe I would rate them a little bit
40:20more highly than the West Coast two-year-olds, but I think they're
40:23Earlier in the show, we were talking about the Keeneland sale and all the
40:26million-dollar horses being sold.
40:27Zoe, you said something that I really took notice of.
40:32You said they buy modest price horses.
40:34That's where we're at this day and age.
40:37It must cost $250,000.
40:39I mean, I can't buy this horse, Randy can't buy this horse, you can't buy this horse.
40:44I mean, I can't buy this horse, I can't buy this horse, I can't buy this horse.
40:48I mean, I can't buy this horse, I can't buy this horse, I can't buy this horse.
40:51Randy can't buy this horse, you can't buy this horse.
40:54But I just found that amazing.
40:55And you're right, too, is we've gotten to a point in this industry and with the
40:59sales where $250,000 is a modestly priced horse.
41:04So absolutely amazing what's going on out there.
41:08Let's turn our attention now to the two-year-old Philly race run on Saturday
41:11at Del Mar, the Del Mar debutant.
41:13Baffert's only won this one 11 times.
41:16And we had another case of the not the favored Baffert winning.
41:21Noonee, who's that course that sold for $1.8 million at OBS March, was a heavy
41:26favorite and wound up finishing fifth, steadied a little bit in the stretch, but
41:32that wasn't going to cost him much.
41:34He was already backing up at the time.
41:36So Baffert wins it with the backup horse, Tenma, sold for $850,000.
41:41Kazushi Kimura, the young Japanese rider, had a terrific day at Del Mar, won the
41:45grade one Del Mar debutant, came back and won the grade two, John C.
41:49But, you know, Tenma looks good, a long way to the Kentucky Oaks.
41:54And also it's interesting, too, we're talking about all of these prices and
41:58these are the kind of horses I love.
41:59The horse that was a runner-up, Vodka with a twist, sold for $2,500 at the sale.
42:05So the $2,500 horse whipped the $1.8 million horse in the Del Mar debutant.
42:11By this much.
42:12Yeah.
42:12Yeah.
42:14So it was a good race for Tenma.
42:17You know, I mean, if you say she's the best horse, I think she probably was.
42:20She's only this much better than Vodka with a twist,
42:22who ran a heck of a race herself.
42:25I still think maybe the Eastern two-year-olds might be better.
42:28Immersive, quiet side, who ran, obviously, in the spinaway at Saratoga.
42:32But again, we'll see when they run around two turns.
42:35Tenma's owned by the Baoma, I don't know if I said that properly,
42:38the Baoma Corporation, that's Charles.
42:41Okay, that's Charles Chu.
42:43He and his wife Susan have been in ownership for a long time.
42:45They also won the Del Mar debutant with Bast,
42:49who went on to finish third in the Breeders' Cup juvenile fillies that year.
42:53They own Dre Fong, who was a Breeders' Cup sprint winner.
42:56And they own Nysos, who we still haven't seen anything of since a February race and
43:02workout, don't know anything about the plans for Nysos.
43:06But Nysos is a son of Nyquist.
43:09And so Charles Chu went back to the Nyquist camp to purchase Tenma,
43:16who is by Nyquist, out of a Tappet mare bred by Bobby Flay.
43:20So that's the story with Tenma.
43:23Bobby Flay sold her for $850,000, well sold.
43:27And the half, is it brother?
43:30Yeah, it's a yearling colt, Zoe, by Munnings, right?
43:33Is gonna be sold in book two at Keeneland.
43:35Yeah, and he's lovely, Stone Farm has him.
43:38Yeah, really very nice colt indeed.
43:39And I looked at him this morning, like I mentioned earlier.
43:42Tenma was the recipient, again, of a very, very good ride by Kazushi Kimura.
43:48Kazushi, flabby, and they've been riding really smart races.
43:51And I don't think anyone's been riding any better at Del Mar all summer than
43:55Kazushi Kimura.
43:56I don't know if he's gonna stay, if he's given up woodbine altogether.
43:59I'm not sure, but we'd love to have him in Southern California.
44:04And I'm with you, Randy, as far as the superstars, the fillies and the colts.
44:08It's a definite East Coast bias, at least for now.
44:11Now, the West Coast is gonna be two jumps ahead with it being run at Del Mar.
44:17But the East Coast horses, in my mind, are better.
44:20And we'll talk about this a lot more, Bill, when we get closer to the Breeders' Cup.
44:25But back in the day, I mean, I know you and
44:28I probably had the same opinion about this.
44:30The horses going from East to West for the Breeders' Cup.
44:34And the stats showed it, the data showed it.
44:36We're at a substantial disadvantage with the West Coast horses at Santa Anita or
44:42Hollywood Park way back in the day.
44:44That's changed because now, because of the horse safety issues that have come to
44:49the forefront, the surfaces in Southern California have changed a little bit.
44:54They're not as hard and fast as they used to be.
44:56They have a little bit more of an East Coast consistency to them.
44:59And so there's not as much of a disadvantage for horses to go from East to West.
45:03And they've done very successfully at the Breeders' Cup the last two or
45:06three times it's been out there.
45:08And one other thing is the weather.
45:11You know, it's November and the weather can hamper a lot of training on the East Coast.
45:15The West Coast, we've just got to worry about wildfires for the most part and
45:20100 degree weather.
45:22But you don't really have any interruption in your training.
45:25If you're training on the East Coast, it can be miserable at the end of October,
45:29if you're up there in Saratoga, where a lot of the Bill Mott horses will stay and
45:34then come to Breeders' Cup.
45:35Yes, and they're going to love it when they get to Breeders' Cup.
45:38But they'll come with woolly coats.
45:40I actually get very busy with my clippers around Breeders' Cup time with horses
45:44coming in.
45:45They show up, they're like, hey, we need to clip this horse.
45:47It's 100 degrees here and I've got a winter coat.
45:50So that's one of the differences as well with East going West.
45:54And when you're at Del Mar this fall for the Breeders' Cup, you might be able to
45:58catch a glimpse of Aidan O'Brien walking on the beach.
46:02Barefoot.
46:03He better have his shoes off.
46:04I mean, if he's walking with shoes and black socks on, that's not going to do it.
46:10Definitely not going to do it.
46:11I remember the last time at Del Mar for the Breeders' Cup, checked in the hotel.
46:14I forgot where they put us, Holiday Inn or something.
46:17And the pool was just packed, absolutely packed, wall to wall with people that were
46:25like, as white as this.
46:26They were all Europeans who were around the pool to get some sunshine coming in,
46:31coming in from the UK and Ireland.
46:33It was really pretty cool.
46:34Yeah. Three days later, third degree burns.
46:36They all look like lobsters.
46:40Three days later, they look like this.
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49:19Well, the focus on racing this weekend will be up in Canada, at Woodbine, where there are four Grade 1 races on Saturday's card.
49:25The Summer Stakes, the E.P. Taylor, the Natama, and the Woodbine Mile.
49:29Again, we have to apologize for this because we have to talk about this sometimes before the past performances are out.
49:34So we're doing a little bit of guesswork here.
49:37But Randy, you were talking about naval power in the Woodbine Mile.
49:41And, you know, at first glance, it looks like that's the horse to beat.
49:45Yeah, I mean, what a card.
49:47Six stakes in all with the four Grade 1s as well.
49:50But yeah, naval power has been in good form for Goodolphin and Charlie Appleby.
49:56And looking at the PPs of the possible starters slash probable starters, it looks like naval power to me might be a pretty solid favorite.
50:06And then in the E.P. Taylor, it looks like Moira and Bev Rover, the one-two finishers in the Beverly D at Colonial, will probably go to the E.P. Taylor.
50:15And it could make for a heck of a matchup, because if Appleby also brings Cinderella's Dream, who won the Belmont Oaks and the Saratoga Oaks,
50:24that's going to be a heck of a race because we know how good Moira is, right?
50:27Last year's Canadian Horse of the Year has run well at Woodbine, as has Bev Rover, who's talented herself.
50:34And I'm also, as always, looking forward to the two-year-olds in the Summer and the Natama,
50:38because those are always key races looking ahead to the Breeders' Cup Juvenile Turf and Juvenile Filly Sturf.
50:44I can't wait.
50:45Right, you've got Moira, just put it on the record a little bit, you've got Moira was Horse of the Year in Canada in 2022.
50:522022, okay.
50:54Bev Rover was Horse of the Year in Canada in 2023.
50:57The last two.
50:58And those two grass fillies, they're going to knock heads again in the E.P. Taylor.
51:02There you go.
51:03Other horses of note in the mile, my boy Prince, who is the beaten favorite in the Kings Plate is supposed to go.
51:10And a horse by the name of Big Rock, who has had kind of a lousy year this year, going 0 for 3,
51:17but did win one of the most prestigious races in Europe last year when he won the QE2 stakes at Royal Ascot.
51:24So those are some of the names we will see this weekend at Woodbine.
51:29I'm really looking forward to seeing one more time in the Natama.
51:33And you mentioned two-year-olds, what about Churchill this weekend?
51:36Yes.
51:36And the Iroquois, I'm just...
51:38Well, OK, but I was going to save that for the Road to the Derby segment we're going to do, so let's get right into it.
51:45The Iroquois goes this Saturday and it's the first race on the road to the Triple Crown.
51:51So we're going to talk about some of the changes they made.
51:54But Zoe, what about the Iroquois?
51:57It's a really good race.
51:58This is like a Breeders' Cup two-year-old kind of race in here.
52:03And it's a full field.
52:04It's already been drawn.
52:06First resort for Owen Harty.
52:08Giacoso for DeSormo, Jack's Time.
52:11Kelly Von Hamel just broke his maiden by 10.
52:13Authentic Strike, Rudy Brissett.
52:16Owen Almighty for Brian Lynch-Strommen.
52:19Sandman, who was a $1.2 million galloper at the OBS March sale for Mark Cassie.
52:25Magnitude's a good colt, broke his maiden for Asmussen at Ellis Park.
52:30Firmus for Wayne Catalano.
52:32Jonathan's Way had an 85 by a speed figure at Saratoga, breaking his maiden for Phil Bauer.
52:39Massaro, very nice, not this time colt, who came out of Keeneland last September for CJ Thoroughbreds and DeLeon Nash.
52:47And then Politically Correct.
52:48It is a really, really good field.
52:51And it's one that everyone at Keeneland here will be glued to.
52:54Who do you like more, Randy?
52:55Well, I haven't really had a chance to look at it that much.
52:58But there's also the Pocahontas for two-year-old fillies.
53:01And these two races, I mean, they're going to be front and center usually in producing some horses that'll wind up going out to Del Mar for the Breeders' Cup juvenile and juvenile fillies.
53:11So a couple of very important races, two of three graded stakes on the opening weekend card at Churchill.
53:17Which, by the way, Kentucky Racing migrates from all turf at Kentucky Downs to all dirt at Churchill Downs.
53:27Which is not running any grass races as they try to rehabilitate their problematic turf course this fall.
53:33Boy, that is a never-ending story with that turf course.
53:36Has the turf had COVID at Churchill?
53:39Like long COVID?
53:41It just keeps coming back and never quite recovers.
53:45Got like the worst kind of long COVID ever.
53:48It's puzzling to me why they can't grow Kentucky bluegrass in Kentucky.
53:51But that's maybe a topic for another day.
53:55Okay, so let's talk about the new road to the Kentucky Derby.
53:59Churchill announced a couple changes for 2024-2025.
54:05And one of which is they're moving the Virginia Derby turf race run at Colonial Downs.
54:10It was run last week to March 15th.
54:13They're going to put it on the dirt and it's going to be a points race for the Kentucky Derby.
54:18Churchill owns Colonial Downs, so you can see why they did that.
54:22And they didn't show up any favoritism for that.
54:26It's not like that race is worth more points than other races around the same time.
54:32But the other thing that was interesting is, and I don't know where they came up with this from.
54:36And I think it's just kind of silly.
54:40This new rule where in the champion races, they've divided the prep races into two different categories.
54:50If you have six horses or less, excuse me, five horses or less, you get 75% of the points.
54:57Four horses or less, 50 points.
55:00You would think now that that's going to be maybe a problem for California.
55:05Last year in the San Felipe, there were only four horses.
55:09Now people are calling it the Baffert tax.
55:11Zoe, is it a move to make life a little bit tougher on Bob Baffert?
55:17I mean, from the outside looking in, you would think maybe,
55:20considering the problems that Baffert and Churchill have had over the past few years.
55:27I don't know if they're just trying to make sure these graded stakes get filled.
55:32It's definitely not going to help the cause out in Southern California,
55:37whereas some of the graded stakes struggle to fill.
55:41Yeah, it's going to be difficult.
55:44It's going to be difficult for people that aren't Bob Baffert,
55:47that are running second or third, because they're not going to garner enough points to get in.
55:53Somebody's going to have to move elsewhere and plan their road to the Kentucky Derby
55:59a different way that's not through California.
56:01Maybe that's just going to kill those stakes altogether.
56:04I don't know what the answer is.
56:06Perhaps Randy.
56:08I don't like it.
56:10I don't like it at all.
56:11I can understand, right, or I could understand if Churchill Mounds Incorporated,
56:18who gives Kentucky Derby points to the first five placings in all of these designated races,
56:25right, if there was a five-horse field in the last place finisher was going to get points,
56:30or a four-horse field, then just say, okay, only the top three get points
56:35if you've got a five-horse field.
56:37I could see that.
56:38Or a four-horse field, only the top two get points, right?
56:41But to just go across the board for even the winner getting fewer points in those races,
56:48to me, I don't agree with that at all.
56:51There's an interesting scenario that it brings up too.
56:54Suppose we're getting ready to run the San Diego Derby, and they're hearing that they
56:57may not get enough horses for that.
57:00San Felipe is usually, and the Robert B. Lewis is usually more of a problem when it comes to that.
57:05Baffert might have three horses going in there.
57:07I wonder if he would just say, all right,
57:10I've got 200 three-year-olds here.
57:12Nathan doesn't have 200, of course, but I'll just throw X, Y, and Z into the race,
57:17and you'll have a six-horse field with five Bob Bafferts.
57:20He can, by himself, guarantee that this, quote, unquote, Baffert tax will not affect him and his
57:26horses.
57:27And what's going to wind up happening is the racing office at Santa Anita is going to have
57:32to incentivize more trainers of long shots to enter in some of these races to make sure that
57:40the races fill and they don't scratch out, right?
57:45Incentivize them with extra rewards for actually racing.
57:49And to me, that's almost inevitable in this situation.
57:53And it kind of goes against the whole horse safety thing.
57:57Yeah.
57:58The wrong horses in the wrong races.
58:00Yeah.
58:00So I don't get it on several different levels.
58:03I don't agree with it.
58:06All right.
58:06Well, that's a wrap on this edition of the TDN Writer's Room podcast.
58:10I want to thank our very special guest of the week, Aidan O'Brien.
58:13I want to thank my partners, Randy Moss and Zoe Cadman.
58:16Where's everybody's dogs today, by the way?
58:19No Lucy.
58:20Lucy, where'd you go?
58:22I would yell for her, but she's 14.
58:24She can't hear very well right now.
58:26So.
58:28All right.
58:28Well, we'll get Lucy and everybody else's dogs on next week.
58:33But anyways, thank you to you guys.
58:34And also, thank you to our producers who work so hard behind the scenes.
58:38That's Katie Petruniak, Anthony LaRocca, and Leah LaRocca.
58:42See you next week.