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00:00:00Welcome into a crossover episode here on the Patriots Press Pass Channel Patriots Beat Patriots Daily coming at you here to kind of take stock of things after three weeks of the Patriots season and look ahead.
00:00:14So we've got Alex Barth, Brian Hines of Patriots Beat, Mike Kadlik, Taylor Kiles, Patriots Daily with us as well.
00:00:21And we both did our game recap shows. You can check those out on the channel.
00:00:26So this won't be as much about the Jets game as it will be kind of where things stand through three weeks.
00:00:33I will say this, though. I would expect the Jets game to feature heavily because I think that kind of resets where this team is at.
00:00:42And that gets to my big umbrella take. Regardless of what happened on Thursday night, I still think the first two games were encouraging.
00:00:51Like, that's true. That doesn't change. To me, what Thursday night was was a smack in the face reminder of why those games were encouraging, even though the team didn't look great.
00:01:01Because you saw all the questions and concerns and doubts about this team basically front and center in your face for 60 minutes.
00:01:10Do I think every game is going to be like that Jets game? No. Do I think there could be more like that game?
00:01:15Yes. It kind of reminds me of that Eagles practice and what I said coming away from next.
00:01:19We were it was dark after that Eagles practice. People were in a bad way, especially coming away from our practice.
00:01:27And I kind of try to characterize it as I don't think the team will be that consistently.
00:01:33But the fact that that's the floor is a little jarring. The fact that can be done to them.
00:01:38And I kind of look at this game the same way. I don't think that's necessarily who they are when water finds its level.
00:01:46But they can be brought to that point. And to me, that game, more than anything else, is a reminder, as good as it felt the first two weeks, of just how much work ahead there is for Gerard Mayo, Elliot Wolfe, and the rest of the staffers in that building, both on the coaching staff and in the front office.
00:02:07Brian, we'll start with you. Just kind of your thoughts as to where the Patriots are at through three weeks.
00:02:13Yeah, I think the first two games are probably more of what you'll see going forward.
00:02:20I do think maybe that Thursday night game, I saw a stat, I think there were 18, 17 or 18 times where a team has played overtime the week before and then they had to go play Thursday night football.
00:02:32And they're like two and 16. So it was a tough situation. You're going on the road and Aaron Rodgers' home debut this season, and really his home debut for the Jets.
00:02:43You lose John Bentley, your captain. So it was a tough situation. And you could see that. I think a couple of guys said their energy levels were low.
00:02:51But you do get a reminder that at the end of the day, this team isn't the most talented in football. Their roster talent is near the bottom.
00:02:58So those games can happen. But I think moving forward, if you can control the trenches, which I'm sure we'll talk a lot about the offensive line that Mayo keeps saying they like to do,
00:03:09I think you'll see more games and more competitive games like you did week one and two moving forward.
00:03:14Mike?
00:03:15Yeah, I think we've sort of already seen the ceiling for this team so far this season and the floor for them so far.
00:03:22I think the way they played against Cincinnati in week one, where they didn't commit a lot of penalties, they didn't have a ton of mistakes, they protected the football.
00:03:29They were able to win a close game against a good football team. And then last week, it unraveled on them with the missed tackles and the lack of protection and missing wide open throws when you finally have protection and things like that.
00:03:41But it just it got ugly pretty quickly. And Brian makes a good point where they did just play overtime, and they did now have to kind of switch it over quickly on a short week.
00:03:51And this whole take them to the hill thing that we talked about two weeks, or the first week really kind of caught up to them the last two weeks where they're playing these late games.
00:04:00And yes, they're conditioned. But you know, you can only be you can only be so conditioned as a football team, and sometimes it's just going to wear on you.
00:04:07And so dry, maybe we haven't said it after both games were down the stretch. They're, they're conditioning caught up to them a little bit, and they seem to kind of to wear down.
00:04:16And so now how do you bounce back is the big question. You did just get embarrassed on primetime football.
00:04:22Now you go into a game against a really good football team in San Francisco, who is also one and two for some reason.
00:04:27Now it's obviously the injuries and things like that. But this could be a bounce back game, a sort of get right game for San Francisco.
00:04:34But it could also be the same for the Patriots. So while you do have to travel across the country, you also have 10 days rest.
00:04:40So you can get yourself right and move on from there. But I feel like the way they played on Thursday is the floor for what we're going to see.
00:04:47I don't know how much worse it gets. I mean, they got they got their butts kicked, and that's kind of what it was.
00:04:51All right, real quick to before you go, Mike, I'm going to mute you so you can fix your mic because this guy just can't figure out his technology whatsoever.
00:04:58Taylor, go ahead. Oh, real quick. I saw in the chat. Don't worry, we got you tomorrow.
00:05:03Film review coming on tape Tuesday. But I would disagree.
00:05:08I don't think we've seen their ceiling or their floor because their floor. It's like last year where we kept saying like, oh, man, it's so bad.
00:05:15And I kept being like it worse. Like if if some key guys drop, it could get a lot worse for them.
00:05:20So like we've already seen with the offensive line at one point, we had two third stringers on the left side.
00:05:26Like you're hoping, obviously, the health gets better. But I hope that we have not seen this team's.
00:05:31Well, the floor, obviously, I hope that's the floor. And they obviously improve.
00:05:34And in terms of ceiling, I mean, one thing studying this game relative to the others, like I did a piece on pads on on CLNS where we are right now,
00:05:44where I broke down the context of the Jets game plan and what it meant based on the other weeks.
00:05:50And with the NFL, it's it's really hard to understand who teams are in the first month because one game is a fluke.
00:05:56Two games may be a pattern or a coincidence. Three is where you really start to see, OK, this is what they're trying to be.
00:06:03And we've seen different scripts from this team. We saw the first week they want to be run heavy and they're playing great defense.
00:06:08The second week, it's a little bit more of both, but you still don't see nearly enough pop.
00:06:12And the defense has some issues with containing the quarterback and with busted coverages.
00:06:17Now, the third week, it's a pattern that these containing the quarterback is a legitimate problem.
00:06:22We're also two games straight where they haven't gotten a turnover. Those are things you want to look for.
00:06:27Then the tackling was really the biggest issue in the third game.
00:06:30And like you guys have said, when you're coming on a short week, especially with the overtime, the players don't want to use it as an excuse.
00:06:35But realistically, given how great this team has been tackling recently, I'm really not going to put one game in as the poster child of like the defense is a disaster.
00:06:44You know, they need to keep the quarterback in. I'll make sure they're tight on the back end.
00:06:47But offensively, like even them, we I was saying before the game, I wanted to see them open things up a little bit more because things were so congested.
00:06:54And you can't be one dimensional against these experienced, talented defenses.
00:06:58They tried to go more pass heavy, but their methodology was wrong because they thought that, oh, we've only shown run out of these looks.
00:07:05We're going to catch the Jets off guard. The Jets are like, bro, I don't give a shit.
00:07:09Like I haven't seen you run outside zone at me, so I'm not respecting it until you show me that I need to.
00:07:15And, you know, that obviously led to some negative plays and some really ugly reps.
00:07:19So now they know we have to establish the run in game.
00:07:22But the play action stuff looks good. We're seeing that Jacoby presets pure dropbacks on early downs.
00:07:27We're almost gone. The only one was a hostage concept where honestly, Jacoby could have gotten it out quicker to Hunter Henry and said it was an incompletion to Taekwon Thornton.
00:07:35So I think we still have a lot to learn about this team. But in terms of morale and the important things, this week is huge.
00:07:41If you lose and you're not competitive, I think you start really fearing that Gerard can lose the locker room.
00:07:47And I'm not a guy who likes to, you know, be flashy or anything, but that's the reality based on how it felt in the locker room last week.
00:07:52If you lose and it's competitive, then we're going to be in another week.
00:07:55Like we kind of got to wait and see because it's bad, but at least they were close against still, you know, a 49ers team.
00:08:01And if they win, then this whole thing was very different and we're kind of resetting of what we were in week one.
00:08:06So still a lot to learn. I think there were some encouraging signs, but also some things that seriously need to get fixed.
00:08:11All right. So let me ask you this. We'll come back the other way, starting with Taylor.
00:08:14You mentioned kind of things getting progressively worse over the first three weeks as it relates to the coaching staff.
00:08:21The Bengals game, they had two months to prepare for two months.
00:08:25You'd hope they'd come up with a good game plan in two months, and they did.
00:08:29Then you have one full week, a regular game week to get ready for Seattle.
00:08:35I don't think the coaching reflected as well in the Seattle game as it did the Cincinnati game.
00:08:40It wasn't bad, but I don't think it reflected nearly as well.
00:08:44Then you have the short week, which is a legitimate test, especially considering the injuries.
00:08:48But the way that team came out, you mentioned some of the play calling things.
00:08:52I just think the energy level, I would say the coaching staff failed that test.
00:08:56Now, not every week is going to be a short week. We'll revisit this again next year when they play on Thursday night.
00:09:01We will revisit it. But the bigger point being, outside of a game they had two months to get ready for,
00:09:08we still really haven't seen a game plan that you really sink your teeth into and say,
00:09:13yeah, all right, I like where this is going.
00:09:16How worried are you or are you worried in the ability of the coaching staff to basically go week to week?
00:09:23Because they need this coaching staff to elevate this team. We've known that since the beginning of the season.
00:09:27For this team to punch above its weight class, that's going to be on the coaching staff putting the players in the best position to succeed.
00:09:33And it feels like through three games, as they've had less time to get ready, they've done less of that. Taylor?
00:09:39I'd say I'm more worried about the defense because fundamentally they haven't been sound.
00:09:44And that's the one area where you're putting your hat on it. It's like most of the staff has been here.
00:09:48The new guys are experienced. You know, these are a lot of players who've been in the system for a while.
00:09:52There's plenty like we always talk about how the Patriots are very talented. That's not true on defense.
00:09:56They're missing, obviously, Christian Barmore and Juwan Bentley. And like those are big losses.
00:10:00But this is still a super talented defense that should be keeping teams under 20 points unless they're playing a real juggernaut or something like that.
00:10:07So they need to get this figured out quickly. Again, the short week, the blown coverage is even against the Seahawks.
00:10:13Like I'll give them some benefit of the doubt there because they are installing new things.
00:10:17It's September. We can't go into the season saying September is extended preseason.
00:10:21And then when things look shaky in September, be like they suck. You know, like we got to give it a little more time while being cautiously observant.
00:10:29Offensively, I think this is just a new scheme. There's players. They're figuring out how to get them involved.
00:10:34I've been encouraged by the fact that they are showing growth like the Mario Douglas.
00:10:38His involvement was spectacular. It was so many things I've been asking for them to do.
00:10:42Use it like Brian. You know, I mentioned it or Brian or Mike.
00:10:45It might have been both where they never use pop as the number three and empty, which is what they always did with Jules, where it's like, get him on a linebacker, like get him in space.
00:10:53Obviously, he's trying to protect himself. So not as much yak, which I understand, like do the Tyler Lockett.
00:10:59I'd rather you catch a lot of passes that he was. He was doing. And it was great.
00:11:03He was on the ground like every one of his receptions. He was diving and it didn't take any big hits.
00:11:08So and that was smart. But then you had like the pitch, which is the first positive run they had.
00:11:12All game was something they built up going into Seattle game, you know, just getting in the first RPO target.
00:11:18Every other time they ran RPO, it was a carry. So you're sure they're showing signs of growth and they're showing, hey, we know the past game is congested.
00:11:25Let's do something about that. Where's Bill O'Brien at times?
00:11:28I felt like there weren't significant enough changes from week to week where it's like, oh, they are getting better.
00:11:33Sometimes it just felt like, all right, now Mike Kosicki is the featured player. Like, great.
00:11:37You know, so I will say I think the offense is showing some encouraging signs.
00:11:41But at the end of the day, this offensive line needs to get it together.
00:11:44The play calling can improve and I think it will. But there's only so much you can do with your offensive line is battered and still doesn't have its own identity.
00:11:52Mike, you guys can you guys can hear me OK now? Yes, you're good.
00:11:56I get I get an Ethernet cable from it. I plug it into the computer.
00:12:00I see you guys clearly. Everything works good. And then I forget to turn on my correct mic.
00:12:04So that's just where we're at today. But on the coaching and where the Patriots are at now, like I think the you know, the scheme itself and all that all that jazz, if you will, to leading up to the game was fine.
00:12:16I think people questioned the early play action and the lack of establishing a run a little bit, which I get.
00:12:23But at the same time, they established the run for two straight games. And Taylor, you mentioned it to me earlier that I didn't I didn't fully I wasn't able to fully dive into it.
00:12:32But they had never ran those looks before in their play action, like the pass off of it.
00:12:38So it would have been brand new to that defense. So I understood the premise.
00:12:41However, I still would have liked them to establish the run a little bit more in the game and get to those stuff later.
00:12:46But regardless, that wasn't the issue to me. I think at the end of the day, coaching is one about putting the players in the best position on the field to win.
00:12:54But it's also, Alex, like you sort of mentioned, getting them in position to win on a short week and and having their you know, Mayo's never coached a short week before.
00:13:04So he's never had a no Monday practice, no Tuesday practice, quick Wednesday.
00:13:09They're like that. You know, it's all new to him. And so maybe he learns from that and figures out, oh, I didn't have these guys right.
00:13:15Because X, Y, Z, whether they didn't you know, they didn't get to recover enough.
00:13:19They didn't meet as much. They didn't touch on the things they want to touch on.
00:13:22And at the end of the day, they just weren't ready to go.
00:13:24So I think that's the main thing and the main focus on the coaching that I don't think the on field stuff was much of a problem.
00:13:29I just wonder how the week went, how they were able to actually prepare themselves.
00:13:33And I guess I'm more so curious as to why they weren't, you know, get taken to the hill, why they weren't.
00:13:39No, we're stronger and more mentally tough than you in this game than they were in the first two.
00:13:44Right. Yeah, I think, you know, there's a lot of firsts on this coaching staff, right?
00:13:50Like first head coach, first year defensive coordinator.
00:13:53Ben Peltz really technically like a first time full time play caller.
00:13:57So I think with like similar to the roster, there are going to be bumps and bruises along the way here.
00:14:02Right. And Thursday night on a short week was one of them.
00:14:04But you hope they take that and they learn and they grow.
00:14:08So I'm not too concerned like offensively.
00:14:11Yeah, I agree with Mike.
00:14:13Like I would have loved them to kind of come out and run the ball a little bit more against the Jets defense.
00:14:17I was struggling to stop the run.
00:14:19And then hopefully you can start hitting some play action passes off that.
00:14:22So I didn't love the game plan.
00:14:23But again, you hope offensively that that time that type of stuff, you know, they continue to grow there.
00:14:28And like even here, you know, other coaches in that kind of outside zone scheme say, like,
00:14:33it can take over like a full season to really get that down and get everyone on the same page.
00:14:38Defensively, though, and, you know, Taylor, you kind of said that that's where kind of the issue is,
00:14:42because these are a lot of the guys that have been here on the coaching staff.
00:14:45And I know they're missing some key playmakers, but just the fundamentals kind of fell off.
00:14:50And we're letting quarterbacks tear us up outside of the pocket.
00:14:53And a lot of that, you know, seems to be like some of these.
00:14:56They're trying to generate pressure through schemes and line games.
00:14:59And now they're just completely losing contain.
00:15:01And we heard them say, we want to be more aggressive.
00:15:04And like, is this coming back to backfire now?
00:15:07So I would hope the defense, like in those guys that have been here again,
00:15:11can kind of clean some of that up.
00:15:13But I'm not overly concerned with the whole coaching staff through three weeks here.
00:15:18Can I add to Brian's point, just because I literally just did the cut up on the times
00:15:21that they've let guys out of the pocket for scrambles.
00:15:23So it looks bad for Anthony Jennings against the Jets.
00:15:26But when I really look closer, one, it was a chip, or even if he used his hands,
00:15:29like it just was tough.
00:15:31Another was a penalty.
00:15:32He got a holding call drawn.
00:15:33So that kind of wasn't an issue.
00:15:35Really, it hasn't even been the stunts, because they will have plays where, like,
00:15:38they drop an edge defender and coverage and try to blitz from the other or sim pressure
00:15:43from the other side.
00:15:44And some quarterbacks, like, that past couple of weeks have used that to get out.
00:15:49But the biggest issue has been the fundamentals, where, like, we've asked him,
00:15:52and Gerard Mayo keeps saying it's about the fundamentals.
00:15:54Marcus Covington says it's about the fundamentals.
00:15:56Guys like Uche, sometimes Jennings, Keon White, Uche is the only real repeat defender,
00:16:01either go too far around or they go inside.
00:16:04Like, that's the frustrating part, is these games are going to be a big part
00:16:07of what they do.
00:16:08But sometimes I'm like, do you think someone's coming around or what?
00:16:10Because it's like Dodd, Shaw, or Daniel Akuale next to you, not Christian Barmore.
00:16:14So if you're trying to go inside, you can't expect anybody to be able to take even
00:16:18a Geno Smith or an Aaron Rodgers.
00:16:20So just on your point about them, you know, not getting contained,
00:16:23it's really just been fundamentals more than anything else.
00:16:25Scheme stuff, you know, that'll happen every once in a while against smart
00:16:28quarterbacks, but they've just got to be better.
00:16:30Yeah, I'm with you, Taylor, on that.
00:16:32Like, especially with Josh Uche, the inside stuff, when it doesn't call for it,
00:16:36it's one thing to be more aggressive in going after the quarterback.
00:16:39It's another thing to just play hero ball.
00:16:41And that, to me, is kind of what it feels like Josh Uche is doing at this point.
00:16:44So that all started about 10 minutes ago with a question on the coaching staff.
00:16:48And Taylor was the one who said, let's keep it concise.
00:16:51I mean, they were all good points, but I really need, if Ahmed's watching,
00:16:55like the Tony Reale technology, when we do these, I can give people points
00:16:59or I can take points away.
00:17:00I guess I can mute you guys.
00:17:01I do have that ability, but I would love to turn this into like a round the horn.
00:17:05That would be good.
00:17:06In the meantime, to go back to the coaching staff, they are now faced with a,
00:17:13so Thursday night football was a big test.
00:17:15They are now faced with the biggest test they will face this year.
00:17:20And that is, what do you do about Drake May?
00:17:23When is the time to put him in the lineup?
00:17:25And I said this back at the draft and I hammered this point home.
00:17:29I kind of wanted, and this was the first time I said this,
00:17:34I kind of wanted, and this was before the offensive line really became like
00:17:38an unmitigated disaster because I thought they were shocker.
00:17:41I thought they draft the left tackle considering they didn't have one,
00:17:43but that's just me.
00:17:46I said, I would like to play the kids sooner rather than later,
00:17:50but if their plan is to wait, I'm okay with that.
00:17:53As long as they execute the plan.
00:17:57And that means that doesn't mean you have to sit the kid no matter what,
00:18:03but it means if you're sitting the kid because of X, Y, and Z,
00:18:07if those questions are unanswered, you don't go put him in just
00:18:12because of external pressure.
00:18:15There's a lot of external pressure about Drake May right now.
00:18:18There is a large segment of the fan base.
00:18:20There are those in the media that don't want to just see him starting against
00:18:23Miami in week five.
00:18:24They want to see him start this week against San Francisco.
00:18:27It's not easy right now to bench Drake May,
00:18:29but I think that's part of their plan.
00:18:31When you factor in the offensive line, I think it's the right call.
00:18:35So the question is how do they thread the needle?
00:18:38And I'll just say this.
00:18:39I think that I think I'm in this rare camp.
00:18:43Everybody seems to be on one of the extremes,
00:18:45either he should play right now or he shouldn't play at all this year.
00:18:48He should play right now because it's the NFL guys get hit deal with it.
00:18:51The team's boring.
00:18:52I don't want to watch boring team and that's me parroting these idiots.
00:18:56And then you have the idiots on the other side saying he shouldn't play at
00:18:59all this year because the line's not good to which I would say the line's not
00:19:03good. It sucks.
00:19:04They're the worst pass blocking line in the NFL.
00:19:07And, and you shouldn't play him behind that because this is not just,
00:19:12Oh, he's going to get hit.
00:19:14He's good at set face pressure.
00:19:15He needs to learn how to do it.
00:19:16This is more than that.
00:19:18This is so much more than that.
00:19:19This is,
00:19:20this is learning how to drive by getting behind the seat of a NASCAR and
00:19:24the Daytona 500, right?
00:19:27I think, you know, we all learn to drive.
00:19:29You know,
00:19:30you go with your parents to an empty parking lot somewhere and you just
00:19:32kind of drive around the park.
00:19:33Like, no, this is like, you've never been behind the wheel.
00:19:35You're going to race the Daytona 500.
00:19:37It's chaos.
00:19:38That doesn't mean they can't get to a place where it's reasonable this
00:19:41year.
00:19:42The line might not be good this year.
00:19:44I don't think it will be good this year, but it can be better.
00:19:48Case in point,
00:19:49just as arbitrary number because next-gen stats has them 44.8% pressure rate
00:19:54worse than the league through three games.
00:19:57Can they get under 40?
00:19:59That would make them the 26 best pass blocking line.
00:20:02Doesn't seem like much of an ask.
00:20:05It's still a lot of pressure,
00:20:07but now you're not recklessly putting this kid in harm's way where he's
00:20:10going to develop bad habits and potentially suffer a long-term injury where
00:20:14he loses a full year of development.
00:20:16I know, you know, a lot of people kind of have, um,
00:20:20what's it called that thing where baby, when it can't see it,
00:20:23it freaks out object permanence.
00:20:25I know a lot of people have object permanence when it comes to Drake
00:20:28may they practice three, sometimes even four days a week.
00:20:32He is getting some work in that goes away.
00:20:34If he gets hurt to me,
00:20:37can you get to a baseline where at least it's not elevated risk?
00:20:41It's just that background risk that comes with playing in the NFL.
00:20:44I think they can get there.
00:20:45And I've been consistent on this.
00:20:47I said, from the beginning in the summer,
00:20:49figure out your best five, then put Drake may in.
00:20:51I think they should know what their best five is right now.
00:20:54It might be by default because this group hasn't even played together,
00:20:58but to me,
00:21:00it's left tackle,
00:21:02but Darian low,
00:21:04you let city.
00:21:05So Michael Jordan,
00:21:07Lane Robinson,
00:21:08battle that at left guard.
00:21:09I think you could have a competition there and still have Drake may.
00:21:12And that's fine.
00:21:13David Andrews at center,
00:21:14right?
00:21:15David Andrews at center,
00:21:16Mike,
00:21:17go and went to it.
00:21:18Right.
00:21:19Guard.
00:21:20Cade walls at right.
00:21:21Tackle.
00:21:22My answer on the Drake may thing is when you have that line,
00:21:24I'll have the conversation.
00:21:25If you have players out of position,
00:21:28guys who have never played in the NFL before,
00:21:30like unprepared rookies,
00:21:33I'm not putting him in no shot.
00:21:36I'm not having the conversation until they get a real line.
00:21:39Mike.
00:21:40Well,
00:21:41there was earlier in the off season,
00:21:43before the draft even started before free agency,
00:21:46there was the,
00:21:47the report from the combine that the Patriots were going to sign a
00:21:50quarterback.
00:21:51They were going to draft a quarterback.
00:21:53They were going to trade Mac Jones and not reported in.
00:21:56That was,
00:21:57or will they,
00:21:58and they also said that they were going to start the veteran and let
00:22:00the rookie take over eventually throughout the season.
00:22:02Now,
00:22:03obviously not in that report is when that was actually going to
00:22:05happen,
00:22:06but I would think the premise of that was.
00:22:10Get the offensive line moving in the right direction from week one,
00:22:13week two,
00:22:14week three on so that by this sweet spot,
00:22:17week four,
00:22:18five,
00:22:19six,
00:22:20seven,
00:22:21that we even talked about on here in the preseason that you could
00:22:23put a mind behind at least a competent offensive line.
00:22:25That seeing things through the same lens.
00:22:27Now they've gone in the wrong direction.
00:22:29They've gotten worse since week one.
00:22:31Now they've also had a trip that they've dealt with injuries and
00:22:34they're on their injuries.
00:22:35They're a big part of that.
00:22:36Yeah.
00:22:37They started three,
00:22:38three left tackles in three games.
00:22:39So at some point it's like,
00:22:41I I'm with you where there,
00:22:43there shouldn't be this two,
00:22:45two extremes where he either plays this week in San Francisco,
00:22:48where he doesn't play till week one,
00:22:502025,
00:22:51where they can now push that back a little bit and maybe start him
00:22:55later on in the season and still allow him to get behind.
00:22:59Like you said,
00:23:00those,
00:23:01those,
00:23:02those five guys that is their best option.
00:23:04And so I think that maybe week five against Miami that we've talked
00:23:08about is a little soon,
00:23:09but once these guys get healthy,
00:23:11I think you're going to see a difference where it's at least serviceable.
00:23:15And you mentioned that,
00:23:16that number,
00:23:17that threshold where the pressure rate is X.
00:23:19Now I don't think they'll actually look at it as a number.
00:23:21No,
00:23:22I'm just doing that to give people a way to comprehend it.
00:23:24And,
00:23:25and I'll say this too.
00:23:26If you have that line against Miami,
00:23:28I'll have the conversation about the Miami game.
00:23:30I just want that.
00:23:31You don't want to see them together first in game action before you put
00:23:34me out there.
00:23:35Maybe,
00:23:36maybe,
00:23:37but I,
00:23:38I hope he's playing right.
00:23:40I,
00:23:41yeah,
00:23:42that's a factor as well.
00:23:43Of course.
00:23:44I do think there's value in Drake may playing this year one for him.
00:23:46I know I just said that whole thing about object permanence,
00:23:48but there is development that happens in game that you don't get on the
00:23:51practice field.
00:23:52It doesn't mean you can't develop on the practice field and that's still
00:23:54valuable,
00:23:55but on field chemistry development,
00:23:57things like that is important.
00:23:58It also helps the front office a lot because you get an idea of kind of
00:24:02how his strengths and weaknesses play at the NFL level.
00:24:05You can plan your off season accordingly around that.
00:24:07The more games you get,
00:24:08the bigger sample size you have.
00:24:10And you also ideally get him making some plays that you can use to pitch
00:24:14free agents,
00:24:15where if he just plays week 18 against backups,
00:24:17you're not really going to get that.
00:24:18So there is value in him playing this year too.
00:24:20I just think it's,
00:24:21it's about it happening at the right time,
00:24:22Brian.
00:24:23And can I quickly add one thing,
00:24:25just sorry before to cut you off,
00:24:27Brian,
00:24:28but I wonder where Van Pelt don't say I don't try to keep the show
00:24:31moving.
00:24:32I know I,
00:24:33I just,
00:24:34I don't know where Van Pelt and Mayo are on together or apart on this
00:24:37decision.
00:24:38Now,
00:24:39I don't like to look too far into after a game,
00:24:41before there's been any coaches meetings and conversations where somebody
00:24:44asks Rod Mayo,
00:24:45is there room for a quarterback change?
00:24:47Could that happen?
00:24:48And he says,
00:24:49I don't know.
00:24:50And everybody runs with it and he opened the door and then he closes it
00:24:52the next morning,
00:24:53which is fine.
00:24:54But then Alex Dan Pelt is asked by Karen.
00:24:56Is it,
00:24:57is he better off playing?
00:24:58Is he better off sitting still?
00:24:59And Van Pelt is straight up like,
00:25:01no,
00:25:02I still believe he's better off sitting.
00:25:03So I wonder if there's any sort of divide at all,
00:25:06but not,
00:25:07not a divide as if it's a bad thing,
00:25:08but where there's the disagreement.
00:25:10And if that,
00:25:11that factors into this as well,
00:25:12moving forward,
00:25:13because it seems like Mayo told me,
00:25:14told us rather,
00:25:15I asked the question,
00:25:16but was it his or Van Pelt's decision to put me in?
00:25:20And he said it was mine,
00:25:21100%.
00:25:22And then the next day,
00:25:23Alex Van Pelt says,
00:25:24well,
00:25:25I'm not ready to play.
00:25:26And so I wonder where the,
00:25:27where that's going on and what,
00:25:28what's happening there.
00:25:29Fair question was a little bit.
00:25:30Right.
00:25:31Yep.
00:25:32Um,
00:25:33yeah,
00:25:34I think Drake has to play at some point this year,
00:25:35like a,
00:25:36a whole red shirt season would just kind of be crazy unless
00:25:39Jacoby somehow,
00:25:40you know,
00:25:41Taylor,
00:25:42I think you said a Gillette today,
00:25:43like,
00:25:44unless Jacoby somehow has you in the playoffs,
00:25:45like if you're a wildcard team,
00:25:46like pulling him,
00:25:47that,
00:25:48then it would be tough in the locker room.
00:25:49So I think Drake has to play,
00:25:50but it just can't be behind a historically bad offensive line
00:25:54in terms of pressure rate.
00:25:55Cause that's where they're,
00:25:56they're kind of at right now.
00:25:57And it was bad.
00:25:58Emphasize that historically.
00:26:00I don't think people get that.
00:26:01Yeah.
00:26:02I know offensive line plays bat and B will be like,
00:26:04well,
00:26:05the offensive line plays on the whole league.
00:26:07They're the worst of the sucky league.
00:26:09Yes.
00:26:10The league sucks on the offensive line and they're still
00:26:12worst.
00:26:13They're the worst of the worst.
00:26:14Sorry.
00:26:15Continue.
00:26:16So I think it was his second drop back even against the jets
00:26:19last night.
00:26:20Like he's or Thursday night,
00:26:22he's taking off before he even hits the top of his drop.
00:26:25And there,
00:26:26there might've been like,
00:26:27he saw a hole and it was man to man.
00:26:29So he wanted to make a play with his legs,
00:26:31which you know,
00:26:32he can do,
00:26:33but there's also,
00:26:34you know,
00:26:35TC McCartney said like,
00:26:36we got to play quarterback at some point and we got to hit our
00:26:38first read.
00:26:39We got to try to hit our second read and then we can go make
00:26:41Drake may plays with our legs,
00:26:42which then you saw on that later fourth and 11 scramble that he
00:26:45picks it up.
00:26:46So that's what you're worried about that play.
00:26:49Like he's taken off before he even gets the top of his drop
00:26:52because there's pressure.
00:26:53So you got to find a way to get to that,
00:26:56you know,
00:26:57improve that a little bit.
00:26:58Barth,
00:26:59I agree with you that that offensive line you laid out is
00:27:01probably their best,
00:27:02best path to doing that.
00:27:04But we saw a practice today,
00:27:06you know,
00:27:07but Darian low is still limited with that knee injury.
00:27:09So Caden Wallace is back at left tackle.
00:27:11Michael,
00:27:12when who's still at right tackle city,
00:27:13so is back,
00:27:14which helps the interior should help the interior.
00:27:16So injuries are still,
00:27:18you know,
00:27:19hurting the offensive line,
00:27:20which is inevitably hurting when Drake may might see the field
00:27:23here.
00:27:24Yeah.
00:27:25Yeah.
00:27:26Putting Drake may behind like a bit of a battered line.
00:27:29It's one thing.
00:27:30If they decide in practice,
00:27:31he's ready and they make the move and put them out there.
00:27:34And then guys drop.
00:27:35Cause then it's just like,
00:27:36all right,
00:27:37that's football at some point.
00:27:38But the bottom line is they cannot listen to external opinions.
00:27:42They need to stick to their plan.
00:27:44I don't doubt that they will like,
00:27:45even I feel like it's,
00:27:47I highly doubt that van Pelt had zero say in starting Drake,
00:27:52like whether or not he agreed,
00:27:54It would be so out of character based on what we've heard.
00:27:56Rod Mayo say for him to just like,
00:27:58not even consult Alex van Pelton,
00:28:00just throw his guy in there.
00:28:01Now I,
00:28:03when it happened,
00:28:04Mike,
00:28:05you were sitting next to me.
00:28:06Like I was not happy.
00:28:07And I'm just like,
00:28:08this is,
00:28:09I hope he hands off.
00:28:10If he doesn't,
00:28:11this is going to be really ugly.
00:28:12And at times it was like Drake admitted it wasn't a great drive
00:28:14from him.
00:28:15We can hype up the like two or three good plays,
00:28:17but there were also things where like,
00:28:18he didn't look great in the quick game.
00:28:20And,
00:28:21you know,
00:28:22even on the throw that he had to pop Douglas,
00:28:24he did that thing where he sees an edge defender cave in and
00:28:27then he drifts outside.
00:28:29But in the NFL,
00:28:30those guys are quicker.
00:28:31And at some point he's going to go in and someone's going to
00:28:33loop around and he's not going to expect it.
00:28:35And he's going to get dropped.
00:28:36Like there were times that driver,
00:28:38I'm like,
00:28:39this is why I don't want him in quite yet.
00:28:40Like he may be killing it in practice.
00:28:42And obviously when he comes in,
00:28:43he's going to make mistakes and have to learn from them.
00:28:45We addressed that going back to the summer when we said that
00:28:47he should play at some point,
00:28:49but one,
00:28:50I think the offensive line,
00:28:51when you do put him in the first check mark has to be Drake
00:28:53looks good in practice.
00:28:54He's showing enough that we think even if he makes mistakes,
00:28:56he'll be able to build and,
00:28:57you know,
00:28:58compete on an NFL field.
00:29:00And then it's okay.
00:29:01Can we support him with a decent offensive line?
00:29:04I'm not saying these guys need three weeks of chemistry,
00:29:07but if even it's a,
00:29:08it's the first time we're seeing low.
00:29:10So Andrews and when you,
00:29:11and you know,
00:29:12whether it's Caden Wallace or whomever,
00:29:15like,
00:29:16I'm honestly okay with that because I think that's the best
00:29:18you can do.
00:29:19If you think Drake's going to be solid,
00:29:20then he can grow with that unit.
00:29:21But I just don't like the idea of one,
00:29:23rushing him out or then putting him behind an offensive line.
00:29:26That could have multiple backups or a second stringer and even
00:29:29multiple back or multiple rookies on the offensive line.
00:29:33It doesn't really sit great.
00:29:34You're going to say,
00:29:35you're going to say bad starters,
00:29:36say what you're going to say.
00:29:37No,
00:29:38I wasn't.
00:29:39No,
00:29:40honestly,
00:29:41just like multiple rookies is not a good idea.
00:29:42I don't think because we've seen Leighton Robinson's getting
00:29:43better every week.
00:29:44He still has some lapses,
00:29:45like a handful,
00:29:46every day and pass pro.
00:29:47Yeah.
00:29:48And Caden Wallace,
00:29:49that's his big thing where he loves the hug technique,
00:29:51where you get your arms,
00:29:52or you get your hands around guys and try to basically just move
00:29:55them around in the pocket.
00:29:56But his whole thing is he struggles with power and length.
00:29:59And like one of the pressures he gave up or blew up a play action
00:30:02was he got a hand in his chest and he got walked back and was
00:30:05trying to grab to make contact and he couldn't.
00:30:07So like those things are going to happen.
00:30:09So I don't love the idea necessarily of two rookies on the
00:30:11offensive line with Drake may,
00:30:13but I just want a group that they feel comfortable with.
00:30:16And for him to have done enough in practice to earn going out
00:30:18there.
00:30:19Unless of course,
00:30:20Jacoby starts throwing interceptions and we're coming to Mac Jones
00:30:22where it's like,
00:30:23you're not making touchdowns or big throws and you're turning the
00:30:25ball over.
00:30:26Like that is not sustainable.
00:30:27But I understand Gerard Mayo being like,
00:30:29Hey,
00:30:30our defense needs to be better.
00:30:31We need to lean more on our run game and our run blocking needs
00:30:33to be better from what it was against the jets.
00:30:35Yeah.
00:30:36We're keeping Jacoby in there because he's not going to be a net
00:30:38negative on the field.
00:30:40All right.
00:30:41Let's take some,
00:30:42let's hear from our friends at game time and then we'll take
00:30:43some questions.
00:30:45Alrighty.
00:30:46Game time.
00:30:47Let me pull up the B roll and then I can get my read going
00:30:50because football's bagging.
00:30:54It should work.
00:30:55But yeah,
00:30:56there it is.
00:30:57I think we're on right.
00:30:58Football's back.
00:30:59Let me know if it's on.
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00:31:01Oh,
00:31:02this is why it doesn't.
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00:31:09It doesn't come up because I'm,
00:31:10it's I'm telling it to be up there and it's not there.
00:31:13There it is.
00:31:14Okay.
00:31:15That's game time.
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00:32:36All right.
00:32:37So that's basically all the big Patriots news for the day.
00:32:40Unless any of you guys have any pressing thoughts on Jalen
00:32:43McKenzie,
00:32:44I'll open the floor.
00:32:45Jalen McKenzie.
00:32:46He has three position flexibility.
00:32:48He played guard and he's played both tackle spots,
00:32:51mostly been a left tackle in the NFL.
00:32:53He was in right guard in college.
00:32:56So kind of like the reverse of Chukchuk or for a little bit.
00:33:00I've watched none of his tape,
00:33:02but I read some reports that said he likes to finish.
00:33:04I couldn't find his,
00:33:06I don't think he was at the combine or anything.
00:33:08So I couldn't find his mock draftable to see the arm length and
00:33:10everything, but given her scheme,
00:33:12I'm guessing he has long arms.
00:33:13So long arms finisher sounds like their kind of guy.
00:33:15So you got in case you missed it.
00:33:16Patriot sign Jalen McKenzie,
00:33:18the practice squad today.
00:33:19All right, let's start.
00:33:20If you want to have questions,
00:33:21feel free to put them in the chat.
00:33:22Those of you on YouTube know the drill.
00:33:24If you're watching on Twitter X,
00:33:25there is a live chat thing down at the bottom.
00:33:28If you open the full screen.
00:33:30So I feel like 90% of the questions we get our YouTube.
00:33:33So I want to make sure those,
00:33:34those people aren't left out.
00:33:35And we will start with D who is kind enough to throw us five
00:33:38bucks for this one.
00:33:39So, so D you get to go first here.
00:33:40AVPs offense is outdated.
00:33:43It's not creative at all.
00:33:44We need a coordinator off the Kyle Shanahan tree.
00:33:46I guess we'll start here.
00:33:48How do you feel about Alex?
00:33:49I thought you were going to go on a Kyle Shanahan rants for us.
00:33:54He's doing it for me.
00:33:57He's doing it for me.
00:33:59What more do I need to say?
00:34:00The guy sucks at managing games.
00:34:01He can't hold on to a win in the fourth quarter against a beaten
00:34:04and batter Rams team.
00:34:06Like I, there's nothing more I can add.
00:34:10It's it's it's hat on a hat.
00:34:13The game plan for the Patriots next week,
00:34:14be within 14 late in the game.
00:34:17Just let Kyle Shanahan happen.
00:34:20Congratulations.
00:34:22You won the guys and it's crazy.
00:34:25So this goes to a bigger point I have,
00:34:27if you really want to go off on this,
00:34:28I'll pull that back up.
00:34:29But, and, and here's where it's different.
00:34:31I've said Kyle Shanahan's a really good offense coordinator.
00:34:34There's a difference between being an offense coordinator,
00:34:36head coach, Josh McDaniels, good offense coordinator, bad head coach.
00:34:40Kyle Shanahan still one of the best head coaches in the league because the
00:34:44coaching in the league sucks.
00:34:46It sucks.
00:34:48I going back, you know,
00:34:50it's the whole thing about scoring being down and passing being down,
00:34:53which by the way, first off,
00:34:55I see all these people using like passing yards per game and points per
00:34:58game. If that's all you watch football for one,
00:35:01you're not a football fan. You're a fantasy football fan too.
00:35:04There's a league up in Canada that excels at all of that.
00:35:06Two more yards per pass attempt,
00:35:08averaging like 15 more points per game.
00:35:11If that's all you want Canada.
00:35:13But I've seen the scoring's down around the league.
00:35:17You're ready to learn Canadian, buddy.
00:35:19You go back and you watch all these games like one off.
00:35:24Right.
00:35:25And you kind of see it, but it's like, all right, you know,
00:35:27it's early in the season, whatever.
00:35:29Watching red zone yesterday, finally get a chance to do that.
00:35:32Oh my God.
00:35:33It was jarring.
00:35:34It was bad.
00:35:35It was jarring.
00:35:37How little offensive production there is.
00:35:39And I think there's three driving forces.
00:35:41One,
00:35:42there's much less practice time now than there was 10 years ago.
00:35:45And the practice time you have is more limited to the quarterback play in
00:35:49the NFL right now.
00:35:50Significantly worse than it was 10 years ago.
00:35:54We lived in a golden age of quarterbacking from the mid aughts through the
00:36:002010s.
00:36:01Doesn't mean that all the quarterbacks are bad.
00:36:04There are less great quarterbacks.
00:36:05It may still be good quarterbacks.
00:36:07There are less great quarterbacks than there were 10 years ago.
00:36:11And the coaching is much worse than it was 10 years ago,
00:36:14because teams know if they have a good offensive coordinator,
00:36:17there's no stability there.
00:36:19So they hire these offensive coordinators as head coaches to be able to keep
00:36:23them in the organization,
00:36:24even if they're not actually good head coaches, that all being said,
00:36:28the Shanahan tree produced a lot of good offense coordinators.
00:36:31I don't want one as a head coach.
00:36:33If you want to talk to me about a coordinator, maybe,
00:36:35but Van Pelt is like loosely from that tree loosely.
00:36:39So this may just be general frustration.
00:36:43I'll let anybody weigh in.
00:36:46I don't have any Kyle Shanahan thoughts.
00:36:48I was just hoping Josh Allen would throw a touchdown during that rant.
00:36:51So we could have a Josh Allen and Kyle Shanahan take from probably through a
00:36:56pick instead.
00:36:57I forgot that game's on.
00:36:58Yeah.
00:37:01Anybody else thoughts on Shanahan?
00:37:04I like,
00:37:05or thoughts on Van Pelt thought like,
00:37:08are you worried about Van Pelt?
00:37:09You worried?
00:37:10Are you worried Van Pelt could be one and done?
00:37:14I mean,
00:37:15that's just way too early for that.
00:37:16Like I also,
00:37:18this is what frustrates me.
00:37:19People say these things and it's like, well,
00:37:22where's your proof?
00:37:23Like, yeah,
00:37:24he should have run the ball more.
00:37:25Okay.
00:37:26Then like,
00:37:27is that it?
00:37:28Because I looked at every snap that he's had in each of the past three
00:37:31games.
00:37:32And I've seen Bill O'Brien's offense.
00:37:33I've seen Josh McDaniel's offense.
00:37:35I've seen whatever the hell Matt Patricia was doing.
00:37:37Allen's Van Pelt.
00:37:39I do not think is bad at designing plays.
00:37:41He's actually done a very good job at setting things up from week to
00:37:44week,
00:37:45building on looks like Bill O'Brien.
00:37:47A lot of this scheme was pretty straightforward.
00:37:48Like what you saw,
00:37:49you were going to see some repeat looks.
00:37:51You don't really see that a ton with the Patriots.
00:37:53And if you do,
00:37:54it's usually because that's like a base package that you're using to set
00:37:57something else up.
00:37:58So I need someone to explain to me why Alex Van Pelt isn't creative at
00:38:02all.
00:38:03Like,
00:38:04is he what I thought he would be based on the Cleveland tape where
00:38:06there's a ton of trick plays and like heavy misdirection all the time.
00:38:08No,
00:38:09but also I wanted to see how he looked after a handful of games rather
00:38:12than one or two to be like,
00:38:14okay,
00:38:15is he just not really showing us anything early,
00:38:16but then we start seeing a little more trickery.
00:38:18That's what we saw last week.
00:38:19It didn't work obviously,
00:38:20but I think the scheme was there.
00:38:22They just needed to coordinate it a little bit better.
00:38:24And that's,
00:38:25you know,
00:38:26that's part of being a first time play caller.
00:38:27Like the first game,
00:38:28he does a great job.
00:38:29Listen to his players,
00:38:30shifting the philosophy and it worked.
00:38:31Now this is a game where the game got away from him so quickly.
00:38:34He couldn't adjust.
00:38:35So thank you D very much for the tip.
00:38:38I appreciate it.
00:38:39But like,
00:38:40miss me unless you have an actual.
00:38:41All right,
00:38:42Alex,
00:38:43does a,
00:38:44does San Francisco win that game with Jimmy Garoppolo?
00:38:45No,
00:38:46Brock played well in that game.
00:38:49Didn't he?
00:38:50I know.
00:38:51Alex was like dealing at one point.
00:38:52Alex just hates Shanahan.
00:38:54He hates Jimmy.
00:38:55So I had to,
00:38:56I don't hate Kyle Shanahan or Jimmy Garoppolo.
00:38:57Yes,
00:38:58you do.
00:38:59Right.
00:39:00No,
00:39:01I'm just right about them.
00:39:02I'm just right about them.
00:39:03You have their own track records.
00:39:04Like it speaks for themselves.
00:39:05Right.
00:39:06Where's Jimmy Garoppolo right now?
00:39:07Jimmy Garoppolo actually did win that game.
00:39:08Mike,
00:39:09to your point.
00:39:10Yes,
00:39:11he did.
00:39:12Yeah.
00:39:13Backup for the Rams.
00:39:14Yeah.
00:39:15This was his first game back after a steroid suspension.
00:39:16Those are,
00:39:17I don't think the performance is being enhanced in the PD.
00:39:20I kind of like this question here.
00:39:22I,
00:39:23whatever about Robert's bullying.
00:39:24I do think Robert's Blaine's a good player,
00:39:25but I,
00:39:26I'm just going to skip that part.
00:39:27Trade.
00:39:28Yeah.
00:39:29Yeah.
00:39:30That's a good way to put it.
00:39:31Swagged out too.
00:39:32He's got like the dark visor and arm sleeve.
00:39:36Devante Adams looks out.
00:39:39Speaking of Jimmy Garoppolo,
00:39:41Devante Adams looks miserable in Las Vegas.
00:39:46That team's not good.
00:39:48They might be selling at the deadline.
00:39:51I'm not saying the Patriots are in a position to buy,
00:39:53buy,
00:39:54buy,
00:39:55but one of these stud receivers is going to be available and they
00:39:59should move him.
00:40:00Cause again,
00:40:01he's miserable.
00:40:02That's just not a good situation.
00:40:03He is 31 years old.
00:40:04Sorry.
00:40:05I missed it.
00:40:06Did something happen this weekend with him?
00:40:07He was just pissed off.
00:40:09It looked like.
00:40:10Yeah,
00:40:11it was pissed off.
00:40:12I don't know.
00:40:13So Antonio Pierce had that quote where he was like,
00:40:15guys made business decisions.
00:40:16And now we have to make business decisions as a team.
00:40:18I don't know if he got lumped into that group.
00:40:20Like if he did something where like Jack Jones,
00:40:24old friend,
00:40:25Jack Jones,
00:40:26there was some film going around with him,
00:40:28making business decisions and not tackling players.
00:40:32So I'm shocked,
00:40:33but I don't know if Devante Adams got in that group,
00:40:36but there was some videos of him,
00:40:38like on the sideline,
00:40:39just generally looking pissed off as you expect.
00:40:42He would,
00:40:43when he gets three catches or whatever,
00:40:45it wasn't a blowout loss.
00:40:46So I don't want that.
00:40:48Adams.
00:40:49What's that?
00:40:51Sorry.
00:40:52Just real quick,
00:40:53Taylor,
00:40:54the viral clip that went around was at the end of the first
00:40:56half,
00:40:57as the team starts walking back to the locker room,
00:40:59he's just like sitting on the bench with his head back.
00:41:01As like his teammates walk by him to go back to the locker
00:41:04room.
00:41:05Like the vibes are sick and tired of his situation.
00:41:08And that's a captain.
00:41:09Oh,
00:41:10it's terrible.
00:41:11Look,
00:41:12but that being said,
00:41:1331 years old had a hundred three catches for 1100 yards
00:41:16last year and a really bad offense.
00:41:18Do you make the call?
00:41:20If you're the Patriots,
00:41:21Mike,
00:41:22if he doesn't want to play in Las Vegas with a player's
00:41:26coach,
00:41:27even though they're bad on a team that's rebuilding,
00:41:29why would he want to play here?
00:41:31You're going to trade them here.
00:41:33And you're going to trade them here and he's going to do the
00:41:36same stuff.
00:41:37I'm no,
00:41:38I was going to rebuttal with,
00:41:40with a guy like Aiden O'Connell and that's not Drake may.
00:41:43That's not what I'm saying,
00:41:44but there was promise with Aiden O'Connell last year.
00:41:47And they had a little bit of a rapport for a second.
00:41:50And now they're back to Gardner.
00:41:52Like,
00:41:53I don't think that matters.
00:41:55I think if you trade them here at the deadline,
00:41:57he's not going to be happy because this team's not winning and
00:42:00he played well last year.
00:42:01And he was mad as soon as he was basically mad.
00:42:03As soon as Derek Carr left that team,
00:42:05because they were friends in college.
00:42:06And that's why he went there in the first place.
00:42:08He,
00:42:09he wanted out.
00:42:10He's wanted out,
00:42:11but he wants to win.
00:42:12Now the Patriots aren't going to be able to win now.
00:42:14So I don't think Devonta Adams is going to want to be
00:42:16here.
00:42:17All right.
00:42:18Mike and left no crumbs.
00:42:19Like,
00:42:20yeah,
00:42:21I,
00:42:22I honestly,
00:42:23I'm like kind of interested in that,
00:42:24in him just because I think he's a great player,
00:42:26but I don't see him wanting to play.
00:42:27Sure.
00:42:28Yeah.
00:42:29And you don't want to deal with it.
00:42:30They had it now.
00:42:31For a really good receiver to give Drake may,
00:42:33and you just win games and everyone's happy.
00:42:35I don't think any veteran receiver is going to come here with a
00:42:37quarterback.
00:42:38Who's not played a meaningful drive.
00:42:39You're still okay.
00:42:40Let me ask you this.
00:42:41But if it's a veteran,
00:42:42who's good enough that you want him,
00:42:43he probably has some say in where he goes.
00:42:45I don't know.
00:42:46I don't know.
00:42:47I don't know.
00:42:48I don't know.
00:42:49I don't know.
00:42:50I don't know.
00:42:51I don't know.
00:42:52I don't know.
00:42:53I don't know.
00:42:54I don't know.
00:42:55He has become saying where he goes,
00:42:56okay.
00:42:57They were trading.
00:42:59And he said now.
00:43:00Right there.
00:43:01There's an out.
00:43:02Well,
00:43:03that's why I think Drake may need to play this year to show the
00:43:04quarterbacks a little.
00:43:06I,
00:43:07you could be a little different because like,
00:43:09he wouldn't sign exe extension.
00:43:10Devante's already signed.
00:43:11Well,
00:43:12like he could hold out.
00:43:15As Mike said,
00:43:16but he's so he's already been paid.
00:43:18It's not even like,
00:43:20he's going to come here and they're going to be like,
00:43:21Oh,
00:43:22we're going to give you new money.
00:43:23Yeah.
00:43:24another bad situation.
00:43:25So Devante is signed, but according to,
00:43:31over the cap, there's very little guaranteed money
00:43:33in the contract.
00:43:34And there is an out after this season.
00:43:36Now, I would go after him in free agency,
00:43:39especially if you can go out and get like a DK Metcalf,
00:43:42pay Adams too, you have the money.
00:43:45That's wishful thinking.
00:43:46Imagine I got the both of them.
00:43:47Yeah.
00:43:49All right, one more.
00:43:50Let's take this question.
00:43:50Is the DK stand for drop?
00:43:52Just saying.
00:43:53I mean,
00:43:54Brandon Iuke.
00:43:55Brandon Iuke.
00:43:56Is the DK stand for drops?
00:43:58Have you seen Brandon Iuke lately?
00:44:01No, I actually have this year.
00:44:01I'm doing the same thing.
00:44:02Yeah, he's had bad drops.
00:44:05Any chance Drake May plays this week?
00:44:07We did the whole Drake May thing
00:44:09and we didn't really talk about this week.
00:44:11We kind of blew by it.
00:44:12We got to week five.
00:44:13I don't think there's a chance
00:44:14cause the line's going to be a disaster.
00:44:17I, if they're not going to have a Darian Loback,
00:44:19we'll see where Kane Wall sat.
00:44:20He had a pretty big brace on his knee today.
00:44:22He was participating, but it was a very light practice.
00:44:25I would be very surprised if Drake May starts this week.
00:44:27Maybe he plays a little bit at the end.
00:44:29I'd be shocked if he starts this week.
00:44:31He's not starting.
00:44:32Everyone has said otherwise,
00:44:35but with the offensive line,
00:44:37like maybe Jacoby's taking a beating, right?
00:44:40Like you have to account that Jacoby could get hurt
00:44:42in any of these games,
00:44:43even though like you're not rooting for that,
00:44:45but it's a real possibility.
00:44:46And then if they get blown out,
00:44:48do we see another mop-up drive or two
00:44:50at the end of the game?
00:44:52So I think there could be a small possibility
00:44:53he comes into the game,
00:44:55but he's not going to start this week.
00:44:57I would be shocked.
00:44:58Can you imagine they blow out the 49ers
00:45:00and Drake May comes in because it's like,
00:45:03oh, we're fine.
00:45:04They would get blown out.
00:45:06I'm not saying you're saying that,
00:45:07but that would be-
00:45:08They are not doing the blowout.
00:45:10That would be something.
00:45:11I'll bring this up too.
00:45:12You're right.
00:45:13Adams isn't coming here cause he hates Josh McDaniels.
00:45:15True.
00:45:16He's still in the state.
00:45:18He's around the facility sometimes.
00:45:20Yeah.
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00:47:02All right.
00:47:03Two things, two quick things.
00:47:04Yeah.
00:47:05One, the bet,
00:47:07Christian Gonzalez still has not given up
00:47:09on explosive reception.
00:47:10He, Marlon Humphrey are the only cornerbacks
00:47:12in the NFL with 15 or more targets
00:47:13who have not given up an explosive catch.
00:47:15I thought that was fun
00:47:16because of the opponent receiver thing.
00:47:20Also, I think you'll like this, Alex.
00:47:22Julian Pearl was with the Patriots today for a workout.
00:47:25He was somebody that we were talking about
00:47:26in the pre-draft process
00:47:27as like a late round possible fit.
00:47:29So, I don't know if you have any thoughts on that.
00:47:31I just saw a list.
00:47:33I didn't see that.
00:47:34I do remember Julian Pearl.
00:47:36I just had to look it up real quick,
00:47:38but yeah, I'm all for more.
00:47:40He played left, right?
00:47:41He played left at Illinois.
00:47:43He's like long,
00:47:44really light is I think was his profile.
00:47:46I'm all for more left tackles.
00:47:48And that's why I'm going to bring this up
00:47:49because this has been talked about this week quite a bit.
00:47:52And I just want to say my piece on it.
00:47:54And Taylor, I know you have a piece on this too.
00:47:56Who are the left tackles the Patriots could have added?
00:47:58Cause you've heard me bemoan quite a bit
00:48:00that they had nobody who's played left tackle.
00:48:02Step back and watch this.
00:48:04I'm just going to give you some names
00:48:06of guys who can't-
00:48:07This might not be the last question
00:48:08because it's going to go long.
00:48:10I'll leave one more after this.
00:48:12All left tackles that are still on their team,
00:48:14still in the league,
00:48:16experienced playing left tackle
00:48:17that signed for less money
00:48:19than Juke's core and free agency.
00:48:21Cam Fleming, Cornelius Lucas,
00:48:22Andrus Pete, Josh Jones, Chuma Ndoga.
00:48:27Here's the point.
00:48:27Are any of those guys good?
00:48:29Not particularly,
00:48:31but they've played over there.
00:48:33They have experience.
00:48:34And that's more the issue.
00:48:36The issue is not that they didn't sign a good left tackle
00:48:40cause I don't think they were going to be able to do that.
00:48:44The issue is they didn't sign a backup plan.
00:48:48They both-
00:48:48Their top two options at left tackle were right tackles.
00:48:52Any of those guys have at least played the position
00:48:55and that's the difference.
00:48:56They don't have to throw Caden Wallace over there.
00:48:58That brings me to my other point.
00:49:01And this-
00:49:02There's some revisionist history here.
00:49:06I would almost rather they had not signed Jukes
00:49:10knowing what their plan was for him.
00:49:12And the reason I said that, I say that,
00:49:14it's nothing against him personally,
00:49:16but okay, so part of it was developing Caden Wallace
00:49:19at left tackle.
00:49:20That was part of the plan.
00:49:21Vidarian Lowe was also in the play.
00:49:22Like there were young guys
00:49:24that could have used the reps in camp that he didn't get.
00:49:27And those reps were ultimately going nowhere.
00:49:29And I don't mean that by him leaving the team.
00:49:32I mean that by there was very little development.
00:49:34He's a player that wasn't engaged.
00:49:37I wish that if the plan was to just draft and develop
00:49:40and work with the young guys and bet on Scott Peters,
00:49:44they would have done that.
00:49:46And instead of signing Jukes,
00:49:48just signing a guy who would have been lower
00:49:50on the depth chart, who would have been a body,
00:49:53but maybe not taken up developmental reps.
00:49:55So that's the list of left tackles.
00:49:57If you're gonna tell me you wouldn't have wanted
00:49:58any of those guys over Jukes, that's fine.
00:50:01I would have just ridden with the kids 100% then.
00:50:04Can you give me that list one more time?
00:50:06I'm going to search and see
00:50:07what all of their path protection stats are.
00:50:10I'm just gonna go with the grades.
00:50:11And if they played a snap yet.
00:50:13It's probably not great.
00:50:15It's probably, they're probably not great.
00:50:17I'll say that.
00:50:17Real quick, let me even see if they played yet.
00:50:19Cam Fleming.
00:50:22He just had a workout today, didn't he?
00:50:24Cornelius Lucas.
00:50:26I put this list together last week.
00:50:27They were all on rosters last week.
00:50:29Cornelius Lucas has actually been good
00:50:31for the commanders.
00:50:3357 stats with the 10th best pass pro grade.
00:50:36Okay, so I'll give you that one.
00:50:37I'll give you that one.
00:50:38I think Andrews Pete's playing guard at this point.
00:50:40I literally typed in like free agents
00:50:41who had played left tackle.
00:50:42Andrews Pete's a guard.
00:50:44Yeah, he's done.
00:50:45He's cooked, that's fine.
00:50:46I think Josh Jones has been decent.
00:50:48Pete is Riley Reeve.
00:50:50Yeah, Pete's a, I am literally just naming guys
00:50:53who played left tackle who were free agents.
00:50:55That's the point of the take.
00:50:56I'm not saying any of them have been good.
00:50:59And I understand, like we talked about this in the chat
00:51:02and it was after the game and I was so mad in the car.
00:51:05I think it was the most angry I've ever been at you,
00:51:07which is how you know I was just like
00:51:09two o'clock in the morning and I was so done.
00:51:11That's why I wanted to bring it up.
00:51:12My thing is that sure,
00:51:14like Chooks had not played on the left side as a pro,
00:51:17but he is the only one of those people
00:51:19who has been a legitimate starter in the NFL
00:51:22for multiple seasons.
00:51:23And he did have left tackle experience in college.
00:51:26Now, of course, he said to my face
00:51:29that he did not feel comfortable playing left tackle.
00:51:30I get that.
00:51:31It makes it very weird when like,
00:51:34I doubt that Ellie Wolf didn't tell him
00:51:36that there was a chance he was gonna play left tackle.
00:51:38There's absolutely no way.
00:51:39Because if he looked at the depth chart,
00:51:40he would have been like,
00:51:41didn't anyone play tackle last year?
00:51:42So where do I fit in?
00:51:44There's no way he didn't know that, right?
00:51:46Chooks is also 26 years old,
00:51:48has legitimately good physical tools.
00:51:50And he's like a pretty smart player.
00:51:51The issue was that he didn't know
00:51:53how to play on the left side.
00:51:55And I would still stand firm
00:51:56that if he were on the right side,
00:51:58I would feel much more comfortable putting Mac Jones in
00:52:00and I'd feel better about the line.
00:52:02So I feel like that's a hindsight thing.
00:52:04I really do.
00:52:05Because at the time I was adamant,
00:52:07the only other player,
00:52:08realistic player I would have liked was Jonah Williams.
00:52:10But Jonah Williams also has
00:52:12his own little injury history as well.
00:52:13Chooks has a pretty clean injury history.
00:52:18I understand the frustration
00:52:19and it's like, why can't they find someone?
00:52:21It's just like the reality is it's very hard.
00:52:23And just because a guy has experience at left tackle
00:52:25doesn't mean he's good.
00:52:26Would we feel better
00:52:27if a guy was allowing a 30% pressure rate?
00:52:29And it's like, oh, well,
00:52:30at least he played left tackle two years ago.
00:52:32Like, no one cares and he sucks still.
00:52:34That's what I'm saying.
00:52:35Chooks is a serviceable, starting caliber lineman,
00:52:39was playing on the wrong side,
00:52:40but he's a starting caliber lineman.
00:52:41Those other guys are all spot starters at best.
00:52:44Well, but, all right.
00:52:45So here's what I'd say about Chooks.
00:52:47If the plan was to play him at right tackle
00:52:49and you made that sign and he keep on winning with guard,
00:52:51then I don't have a problem with it.
00:52:53And it's hindsight for us,
00:52:54but it's not hindsight for them.
00:52:56But he was also right tackle until injuries hit.
00:52:59Like, they did want him back on the right side.
00:53:01And we all liked that offensive line combination
00:53:03before Lowe went down.
00:53:05That wasn't their initial plan.
00:53:06And we know that because Elliott Wolfe
00:53:08told us going into the draft
00:53:09that the plan was for him to play at left tackle.
00:53:11It didn't work.
00:53:12They'd have moved him to the right and camp.
00:53:14Then they moved him back to left because of injuries.
00:53:16But they also started,
00:53:17they also said, Elliott Wolfe,
00:53:19that they thought Vardarian Lowe
00:53:21could be a starting caliber player
00:53:22if he learned to use his length.
00:53:23Obviously, I think a full-on starter is a bit much.
00:53:27I said so at the time.
00:53:28As much as I like Vardarian,
00:53:29I think he's a spot starter.
00:53:31But even still, if they thought that he could be someone
00:53:33that they could throw in there,
00:53:34then it's like, okay, we'll try Chooks.
00:53:36If he doesn't work out,
00:53:37Vardarian Lowe is gonna be a left tackle.
00:53:39That's what happened very quickly in the spring.
00:53:41It's not like they didn't decide this until the last week.
00:53:44They wanted Chooks on the right.
00:53:45And at left, they were like,
00:53:46okay, Vardarian's probably our best bet.
00:53:48And he didn't look that bad.
00:53:49For the situation they're in, he's fine.
00:53:52He's fine.
00:53:53He's gonna give up his pressures,
00:53:54but he's not gonna get beat inside,
00:53:55which was like the thing last year where I was like,
00:53:57dude, this is the one thing that you cannot do.
00:54:00So I don't think it was purely Chooks or Bust.
00:54:03It was Chooks, then maybe Vardarian, and maybe Kanan.
00:54:06And we've seen all of those-
00:54:07We've seen those permutations.
00:54:09But given how hard it is to find a left tackle,
00:54:12I hesitate to sit here and say that they didn't have a plan
00:54:15or that they just completely botched it.
00:54:17I think they genuinely did the best
00:54:19with what they could as an organization
00:54:20that nobody wants to come to.
00:54:23I just think, I think those other options you gave
00:54:27kind of are Bust.
00:54:29That's the difference.
00:54:30And we're just gonna have to agree to disagree here.
00:54:31But to me, give me the subpar left tackle
00:54:37who's played there over the average right tackle
00:54:41who hasn't played the left on it.
00:54:43And I also-
00:54:44He doesn't have a subpar left tackle.
00:54:44His name is Vardarian Lowe.
00:54:45What are we talking about?
00:54:46But I-
00:54:47No, but Taylor, then I go back to the point
00:54:50where I say, fine,
00:54:51then I would have just made Vardarian Lowe the plan
00:54:53and not signed Shooks of Cor for,
00:54:55and given more reps to the kids to develop.
00:54:57But again, they, in the summer, like early in the summer,
00:55:00we saw Vardarian on the left and Shooks on the right,
00:55:03and no one was complaining.
00:55:05So like, this is why it feels revisionist to me
00:55:07because you sign a half-assed guy who you expect.
00:55:10It would have been worse
00:55:11if they had signed Cam Fleming to start a left tackle.
00:55:13That would have looked terrible.
00:55:14Cause it's like, you're gonna take, like,
00:55:16well, I don't think he would have been starting.
00:55:17We're taking guys that were more spot starters
00:55:20and signing them a right tackle to see who's stuck.
00:55:22I don't think he would have been starting, though.
00:55:23With a multi-year starter.
00:55:25I don't think Fleming would have been starting.
00:55:26I think Lowe would have been starting,
00:55:27and Fleming would have been a body
00:55:29to just fill out the depth chart.
00:55:30And for the record, this summer,
00:55:31I wanted Caden Wallace playing more.
00:55:34I wanted Caden Wallace playing more.
00:55:35Caden Fleming is literally not on a team.
00:55:37If he was that good, they could sign him right now.
00:55:39Like, what are we doing here?
00:55:40I'm talking about guys who are literally
00:55:42fragents right now.
00:55:44What?
00:55:45Brian, Mike, you wanna weigh in?
00:55:46All I was gonna say was,
00:55:49I think two things can be true at once,
00:55:51where it's very hard to find good left tackles
00:55:53in the league,
00:55:54and the Patriots could have tried
00:55:56a little bit harder to acquire one.
00:55:57And I think-
00:55:58Like trading for Tyler Guyton,
00:55:59which they reportedly did.
00:56:00Right tackle Tyler Guyton,
00:56:02now left tackle for the Cowboys.
00:56:04Okay, my rebuttal to that is try a little harder.
00:56:07Add another pick.
00:56:08Try and trade.
00:56:10No, I mean, seriously.
00:56:11Like, yeah, they tried to trade for him,
00:56:12but they clearly didn't want him bad enough
00:56:14if they didn't make it happen.
00:56:15That's not true.
00:56:16We literally heard a story
00:56:18from Cameron Wolfe himself
00:56:19about how they tried to trade
00:56:21for Leggett or Keon Coleman or whatever.
00:56:25And the Bills went out of their way
00:56:26to be like, ha ha, stupid.
00:56:28We're not trading.
00:56:29What did we do?
00:56:30First of all, by the way,
00:56:31the Bills yelling, ha ha, stupid
00:56:33for what their draft was is hilarious.
00:56:35Yeah, right.
00:56:36Brian, real quick,
00:56:37because I want to get into one more thing.
00:56:40I would just, my big thing is like,
00:56:42they should have, you just said it, Bart,
00:56:44but they should have just played
00:56:44the kids more in the summer.
00:56:46Like, get Caden Wallace as much experience
00:56:48as possible out there in the summer,
00:56:50because he was with that second unit so much.
00:56:53So I agree, like, with Taylor,
00:56:55it's tough to find these guys
00:56:57at any point of the year,
00:56:58especially last offseason.
00:57:00But I think they could have just handled
00:57:01the guys they had a little bit better
00:57:03in the summer.
00:57:04Taylor, that was-
00:57:05Which, to be fair,
00:57:06like, with the Leighton Robinson situation
00:57:07makes me wonder, like,
00:57:08because Caden was out there.
00:57:09We remember, he was, like,
00:57:11repping with the starters,
00:57:12and then it stopped.
00:57:13And we've seen, like, in practice,
00:57:15in games, losing as a pass protector
00:57:18had been his issue.
00:57:19So it feels like, at least with Lowe,
00:57:21they're like, okay,
00:57:21he gives us more stability
00:57:23than what we get with Caden.
00:57:24Even with more reps,
00:57:24they're probably like,
00:57:25well, we're gambling with Caden.
00:57:27At least Vidarian is a veteran
00:57:28who's shown us something.
00:57:30Like, Brian, I'm trying,
00:57:31I really am considering that,
00:57:33but I feel like with Caden,
00:57:34the way that went,
00:57:35they felt a certain way behind the scenes
00:57:38and thought that he wasn't really ready to start,
00:57:40especially left tackle.
00:57:41Fair enough.
00:57:42I would have liked to see,
00:57:43I think if he'd had more reps in the summer,
00:57:44maybe he'd be more ready.
00:57:46But again, we'll never know.
00:57:47We'll never know.
00:57:48Laden didn't, and he made it.
00:57:49Laden Robinson, Lowe key,
00:57:51might be like the most impressive player
00:57:52on this team, pound for pound,
00:57:53so far this year.
00:57:54Like, considering-
00:57:55Bryce Berenger.
00:57:56Bryce Berenger.
00:57:57But we know Bryce Berenger's a stud.
00:58:00True.
00:58:01We know what he's all about.
00:58:02Vidarian, Lowe,
00:58:03most people left him off the roster projection
00:58:05when we started camp.
00:58:06And now, we're all sitting here saying,
00:58:09you didn't, Taylor, good call.
00:58:10And like, the rest of us idiots did.
00:58:12And now we're all sitting here saying-
00:58:14Get healthy.
00:58:16The organization cannot continue
00:58:16without Vidarian Lowe.
00:58:18So would you look at that?
00:58:19But that-
00:58:20That just shows you how bad of a position
00:58:21they're in.
00:58:22I like to do my victory laps.
00:58:23I had no idea Vidarian was going to start.
00:58:25I just want to,
00:58:25I want to be modest as well.
00:58:27Like, that was,
00:58:28that blew my mind.
00:58:29But then after like a week of practice,
00:58:31I'm like, I haven't noticed him.
00:58:33That's good.
00:58:34Although you were,
00:58:35you were hammering the point that,
00:58:36as rough as it got for him last year at times,
00:58:39that was really on the right side.
00:58:40Once he was on the left,
00:58:41it was, honestly,
00:58:42you opened my eyes on that one.
00:58:44So that, that was a great take by you
00:58:45to pick up on that.
00:58:46But that brings,
00:58:47and good,
00:58:48good game.
00:58:49That was a good,
00:58:49good back and forth.
00:58:50Well played.
00:58:51Oh God.
00:58:52I hope nobody clicks that.
00:58:53Oh my God.
00:58:54All right, I'll bail you out.
00:58:56We'll go to the last question.
00:58:57That all brings us to,
00:58:59through four weeks,
00:59:01who do you got?
00:59:02Will Campbell or Kelvin Banks?
00:59:04Because, well,
00:59:05we're all impressed with Vidarian Lowe.
00:59:06He's not a long-term answer.
00:59:07One of these guys probably is.
00:59:10Who do you got?
00:59:11I know we all,
00:59:12we all have been watching a ton of them,
00:59:14but people want the answers.
00:59:15Michael Campbell?
00:59:16Yeah.
00:59:17I think I'm team Kelvin Banks.
00:59:19I'm leaning Banks to Will Campbell.
00:59:21It's close.
00:59:23Will Campbell might have a little bit
00:59:24of a penalty problem.
00:59:26And when it's this close,
00:59:28that could be a tiebreaker.
00:59:29Trevor Penning penalty problem?
00:59:31No, he just false starts a lot.
00:59:33Oh.
00:59:34And by a lot,
00:59:35I mean like four times.
00:59:35I was just gonna say he just falls a lot.
00:59:37No.
00:59:38He false starts,
00:59:39and by a lot,
00:59:39it's like three or four times,
00:59:41but Kelvin Banks hasn't.
00:59:43And it kind of feels neck and neck.
00:59:45I haven't watched Kelvin Banks.
00:59:47I've only seen Will Campbell's
00:59:49Jaden Daniels, you know?
00:59:51Yeah.
00:59:51I liked it.
00:59:52I remember last year being like,
00:59:54this guy must be bad
00:59:55because he's basically standing up straight
00:59:58and he never gave up any pressures.
00:59:59And I'm like,
01:00:00who the hell is this guy?
01:00:01So right now I'm going with Will Campbell,
01:00:03but that's also because I don't think
01:00:04I've watched any of Kelvin Banks enough to notice.
01:00:07Or they could take the LSU right tackle
01:00:08and switch them to left tackle.
01:00:10Yeah.
01:00:11Let's do another year.
01:00:12Let's do another year of that.
01:00:15They should just draft Travis Hunter.
01:00:17He's good.
01:00:18Their right tackle is good,
01:00:19but no left tackle.
01:00:20I'm so done.
01:00:21I'm so done.
01:00:22No more.
01:00:22It was the one time you were in your fan base
01:00:25and just get the GD left tackle
01:00:27and be done with it.
01:00:28Draft Travis Hunter
01:00:29and start Vardarian Lowe at tackle again.
01:00:32Hey, Travis Hunter's a multi,
01:00:33he can play multiple positions.
01:00:34Yeah, play him everywhere, baby.
01:00:36I'm gonna say,
01:00:37if they were wanting to draft Travis Hunter,
01:00:39I would draft Will Johnson.
01:00:41I think he's a better corner.
01:00:43And I think Travis Hunter's a corner.
01:00:43Will Johnson's good.
01:00:44I don't know if you saw him.
01:00:45No, he's nasty.
01:00:46He read, who'd they play again?
01:00:50USC.
01:00:51Oh, he read Miller Moss, like a book on that.
01:00:55Oh, was it?
01:00:56He picked six of them, didn't he?
01:00:57Yeah.
01:00:58He's also just bigger.
01:00:58And they're like, they have good corners,
01:01:00but like they need more size at that position.
01:01:03Yeah.
01:01:04And Will Johnson.
01:01:05Yeah, I was gonna say,
01:01:05Travis Hunter, as great as he is,
01:01:07his body type,
01:01:08like I haven't watched a ton of him
01:01:10to know what it really is.
01:01:12I feel like he's gonna be getting hurt in the NFL.
01:01:14Like maybe not serious,
01:01:15but I feel like soft tissue,
01:01:16like every week.
01:01:17It just, that's the vibe I get from him.
01:01:19And I'm like,
01:01:20I would not want to invest like a top 10 pick
01:01:22in someone who might not be on the field consistently.
01:01:24Well, that's also why I think he's a corner.
01:01:26Because that body type going over the middle,
01:01:29like he's kind of built like Taekwon Thornton.
01:01:31He might be a little bit bigger,
01:01:32but like that kind of body type
01:01:34for the kind of receiver he is scares me a little bit.
01:01:36I guess it'd be more like Xavier Worthy,
01:01:39but he's like that kind of guy.
01:01:40And you're still gonna be taking hits playing corner,
01:01:43but you're giving the hits.
01:01:45You're not receiving them.
01:01:46So it's a little bit easier.
01:01:46I don't want them to actually take them.
01:01:49Oh, sorry, my bad.
01:01:50No, I was just gonna say,
01:01:51I don't want them to actually take them.
01:01:52They have more needs,
01:01:53but he is just so good.
01:01:54And he's so good on both sides of the ball.
01:01:56It's an incredible watch.
01:01:57Like there's no complaining
01:01:59about anything he does as a player.
01:02:00But as far as the fit and you're right, Alex,
01:02:02you're not gonna,
01:02:03you're probably not gonna be able to play him on both sides.
01:02:04They might try and use gadgets on him a little bit,
01:02:06but he's not gonna be able to play every down in the league.
01:02:09But he is a filthy, filthy player.
01:02:12In a good way.
01:02:13Bigger Marcus Jones vibes.
01:02:14Bigger Marcus Jones vibes.
01:02:16That's not a bad take.
01:02:18I haven't even watched these guys yet.
01:02:21God damn.
01:02:22Anybody want to talk Ted McMillan?
01:02:23Anybody want to talk Luther Burden?
01:02:26Or we've moved on.
01:02:27Let's talk BC.
01:02:28Let's talk BC football.
01:02:30BC football, Bill O'Brien's building a monster.
01:02:32We'll have to get back to that another time though.
01:02:33Cause we've all had a long day.
01:02:35We got to wrap it up.
01:02:36I still got more to go.
01:02:37I'll be on the sports.
01:02:38I'll be on Sunday 20 with Joe Murray.
01:02:39Patriots mailbag coming tomorrow
01:02:40on 98 five, the sports hub.com.
01:02:42Taylor and Mike,
01:02:43you guys have a film breakdown coming tomorrow, right?
01:02:45Patriots daily.
01:02:47Yeah.
01:02:47We're going to be talking.
01:02:48A lot of it is going to be trying to explain to people
01:02:50why Van Pelt is actually showing some exciting things
01:02:54as a play caller.
01:02:55So if you, I understand people outside.
01:02:57Take a guess whose idea that one was.
01:02:59But yeah, that would be fun.
01:03:03We're going to do something on the defense too.
01:03:04So make sure you subscribe to the channel.
01:03:06We'll, we'll have it.
01:03:08Brian, you got anything coming?
01:03:11Nothing too exciting.
01:03:12Just Pat's beat.
01:03:13What?
01:03:14There's a way to convince people to check it out.
01:03:16Yeah.
01:03:17Nothing too good.
01:03:20Just the usual, you know,
01:03:23you can find you out here for the vibes.
01:03:24He's like, you need to keep the money.
01:03:25You can find 3000 words on Bryce Beringer's performance
01:03:28and all of Brian's other work on Pat's pulpit.com.
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