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00:00All right, everyone, welcome back into another live edition of the Patriots Beat podcast
00:07here on the CLNS Media Network presented by our wonderful friends over at PrizePix and
00:13GameTime.
00:14It is Brian Hines back with Alex Barth again.
00:17Hope everyone had a wonderful long weekend, 4th of July weekend, but we're back because
00:21we are about two weeks away from the start of training camp here and we don't have a
00:27contract extension to break down this show.
00:30So while we're two weeks away, while we don't have any, you know, immediate Patriot news,
00:35we're going to kind of take a step back from the Patriots, look around the AFC East a little
00:40bit, look around the rest of the NFL and kind of get caught up in that sense, maybe see
00:46where the Patriots sit on, you know, as a whole, as a landscape.
00:49So Barth's favorite show because he gets to rip on the bills a lot, I'm sure, during this.
00:55So and we also, if we want to start in the AFC East, we have some pressure because I
01:00think I said during this show last year that Aaron Rodgers is going to get hurt and the
01:05Jets are going to tank and that happened.
01:08So we have to have some type of really good call or prediction in this show, but we can
01:13start with the AFC East as a whole.
01:17Do you want to start with the bills or do you want to save the bills or what are you
01:20thinking?
01:21Well, I guess let's just do it this way.
01:24What would you, uh, what would you, who is your favorite to win the division?
01:32Like who, if you would have picked it, cause we did this on, on catch 22 last week and
01:35Evan said that it's the bills division to lose.
01:38And I disagree with that.
01:40Not even in the sense that I don't think the bills can win it.
01:44I think between those three teams at the top and, and really the bills and the, and the
01:48Jets, I think it's pretty wide open.
01:51I mean, they're all going to win 10 or 11 games.
01:55I wouldn't be surprised if the division comes down with tiebreaker.
01:57Like I, as a whole, the Patriots are clearly the fourth team.
02:01Maybe they make some noise, but I think the Patriots are clearly the fourth, fourth team
02:05above them though.
02:06Yes, I guess it's the bills division in the sense that they've won it.
02:10What three years in a row now, four years in a row.
02:13But I, I, I, I, I'm picking the Jets assuming Roger stays healthy.
02:20But if you told me you were picking the bills, you told me you were picking the dolphins.
02:23Like, I think there's a strong case to be made for any of them.
02:27And I, I think there's gonna be great parody in the division this year.
02:30Yeah.
02:31It feels like they're all in that, like a step below the chiefs obviously, but then
02:36like they're all just kind of in that, that muddied range.
02:38Like I would even say a step below that a step below the chiefs.
02:41You have the Ravens, you have the bangles, you have, that might be it.
02:48And then I'd go.
02:49Houston, Houston, maybe in that Houston, maybe.
02:53And that next year would be like Buffalo, Miami, Jacksonville, maybe Cleveland, like
03:00that group.
03:01Yeah.
03:02Yeah.
03:03I probably still, if I had a pick today, I'd probably say the bills would win the division.
03:09But like, like you said, it's not a guarantee.
03:12Like they tore the roster kind of apart.
03:14They're doing this, you know, it's kind of like, you know, the Patriots did it a few
03:18times where when Brady was here, they, they kind of had a rebuild, but on the, on the
03:22fly, cause you still had Tom Brady and you were still, you know, wanting to compete for
03:27Superbowls every year and a little different with Josh Allen and the bills, they haven't
03:31even got to a Superbowl there, but like they're in Josh Allen's kind of prime here.
03:35So they still have to compete year in year out and you can't just completely tear down
03:41the roster, but you get rid of Stefan digs, you get rid of Jordan Poyer.
03:44I mean, their receiver room, would you say the, like the Patriots have a better wide
03:48receiver room?
03:49They have, you know, Khalil Khalil Shakir comes back, but then it's Keon Coleman who
03:54they drafted, you know, first pick of the second round there, Curtis Samuel, they signed
03:58in free agency, Mack Hollins.
03:59They signed a free agency, chase Claypool, Marquez Valdez, Scantling, they signed in
04:03free agency.
04:04I'm a big Dalton Kincaid fan at the tight end spot, but it's not a great group of pass
04:09catchers there.
04:10Like you could probably make a fair argument that the Patriots are working with a better
04:15supporting cast there.
04:16So I probably still lean Buffalo.
04:19Like I don't believe in Miami until they prove they can win late in the year and actually
04:26be a contender, a contending team.
04:29The jets just still with Rogers.
04:31There's so much question marks there.
04:33So I probably still lean Buffalo, but they have a lot of questions too.
04:37And they, they all, all three of those teams seem really tight there up top.
04:42Yeah.
04:43I, to, to your point about the wide receiver room, I think it's very valid and some of
04:46it might come down to, you know, what rookies emerged just across the division.
04:51I think Keon Coleman could make a big difference, right?
04:57In Miami I'm blanking on, hang on, I got to pull up the draft now.
05:01But like, yeah, I, I think it's close.
05:04I think, again, I just go with Rogers cause of the veteran, um, uh, and by the Miami drafted,
05:11well, my stupid camera, um, yeah, the, like it's, I've had this camera for years now and
05:17the plug just like, doesn't hold on anymore.
05:19So I just bump it even a little bit and that's it.
05:22There we go.
05:23Um, yeah, I, yeah, I, I, again, I just think it's close.
05:28I'm going with the jets cause of Rogers.
05:30I think he has the, the veteran element.
05:33Now the thing with Rogers is they're going to lose in the first round of the playoffs,
05:37but I think they'll make it as your point with Miami, the, the one stat I can't get
05:40over to really buy in on the dolphins and look, I think I, I don't think two is great.
05:45I think the MVP talk last year was a bit much, but I don't think he's bad either.
05:50Like I think he's for what they want to do.
05:54He's a really good option for what they want to do in Miami.
05:56Obviously they have a ton of speed on offense, which I like that defense continues to get
06:00better.
06:02It's the coach.
06:03It's the coaches.
06:04Why I can't buy in the, the under McDaniel over the last two years, the dolphins are
06:11five and 10 against teams over 500.
06:14And you're not going to win a division only beating the bad teams, especially this year.
06:17When you look at the AFC East schedule as a whole and how many competitive teams there
06:21are on it.
06:22So I can't buy in on Miami because I still can't buy in on Mike McDaniel.
06:27They had a minus 110 point differential against playoff teams last year, which was like the
06:32second worst in NFL history.
06:34And it's always, it always feels like the same type of story with them.
06:38Probably even like before McDaniel, kind of like they get off to a really good start and
06:42then it's always late in the year.
06:43They just kind of falter.
06:45And then, I mean, if they have to go to a cold weather game in the playoffs, it's just
06:49like it's good night.
06:50But what do you think of to, uh, are you giving him like a 55 AAV million dollar a year extension?
07:00If you're Miami right now, cause he's up, like he's in a contract year and that's the
07:04going rate for these guys.
07:06That's where that number is at now, like 54 or 55 million on the AAV.
07:11So are you, are you giving that to Tua if you're Miami?
07:14I mean, I honestly, I wonder what the franchise tag is.
07:19If it comes down from there, but I, I ultimately, yeah, probably just because what's the alternative.
07:29We just went through this as Patriots fans.
07:30Do you really want to go back into that quarterback carousel and try to find the next guy and
07:36you know, who knows how long that can take?
07:39Yeah.
07:40Yeah.
07:41I probably, now I'm going to try to get the tenure down.
07:42I'm going to try to do it on a shorter term deal.
07:45So if he starts having more injury problems, there's a light at the end of the tunnel.
07:49And they might try to do it.
07:50The Eagles did right where they drafted Jalen hurts, try to take a day to quarterback and
07:54see if I can find, you know, a really high level backup, but I don't love it.
08:00But one, those contracts never end up being as bad as they look because the cap goes up
08:04so exponentially.
08:05I think Patrick Holmes, like a 10th highest paid quarterback in football right now in
08:09two year, it's better than the alternative.
08:13It's better than the, the unknown at the quarterback position.
08:17It's the, uh, the family guy, it's the boat or the mystery box.
08:21You never know what that, but, uh, yeah, someone said it like in the chat, the concussions
08:26also are, could be a scary thing.
08:29Like if you're giving them a lot of term, uh, he, he played every game last year, but
08:33you know, is that a guy you want to commit a lot of term to?
08:37Um, cause he's probably like, he's not one of the top elite quarterbacks.
08:40He has the concussion issues.
08:42So that'll be kind of interesting to see what happens with that.
08:46And you know, you'd imagine a guy with concussion issues coming off a healthy year, like he
08:50probably wants to get that taken care of before the season starts.
08:54And if that lingers into the season, like, is that going to affect him kind of mentally
08:58when he's out on the field, like having that in the back of his mind.
09:02So that's kind of something like off the field.
09:05One of the interesting storylines I think, uh, in this division, but, um, you're on the
09:11jets.
09:12Do you believe Rogers is going to be healthy?
09:14Like the roster, if he's healthy is probably the best in the division, but you're, you're
09:18a believer, you're a believer in, in Rogers down there in New York.
09:22Yeah.
09:23I think last time he played meaningful football, uh, he, he was pretty good and at least in
09:29the regular season.
09:30And when I say meaningful football that last year in green Bay, he was, he was checked
09:36out.
09:37It reminds me of Brady in 19, where like we were, you know, and some people thought, and
09:41I understand why they thought, Oh, you know, Tom Brady took a dip and it wasn't the same
09:46at the end of new England there.
09:47And, and as he fall on off and he just needed to go somewhere else and get revigorated and
09:51that, then you add the injury in again, Rogers.
09:53So his second to last year in green Bay when 13 and three completed 69% of his passes for
09:594,100 yards, 37 touchdowns, four picks.
10:02He led the NFL with a pass rating of 11.9, a QBR of 74.1.
10:06He won his second MVP in a row.
10:09Granted that was three years ago, to be fair, but I still think he can play in a torn Achilles
10:14ago.
10:16I still think he can look if, if, if he can be 80% of that, he's the best quarterback
10:20in the division with potentially the best roster in the division.
10:24You believe in their offensive line?
10:27That's I mean, they signed Tyron Smith.
10:30They signed Morgan Moses.
10:32They drafted Olufesanu.
10:35I believe that was it upfront, but like, that's, didn't they add one more tackle?
10:41Maybe I'm imagining that, um, you said out of the guard to maybe a guard, but they definitely
10:47put a lot of resources into that and you know, 40 year old Rogers coming off the Achilles.
10:52Like they need that, they need that line to hold up.
10:57Maybe it's just because I'm so I've become so jaded by looking at the Patriots line that
11:03I'm like, that's fine.
11:04It'll hold up.
11:05This is a pretty good line actually, right?
11:09Maybe that's what's going on here, but it's fine.
11:12It's not, you're not gonna, it's not gonna be the best in the league.
11:14He's going to have to, you know, be elusive and he's going to take some hits and that'll
11:17certainly be a part of it, but I don't think it will be a disaster.
11:22Yep.
11:23It's Hassan Redick playing for them.
11:25Do you know?
11:26Cause he just like, what do you mean?
11:29Like he got traded there.
11:30Yeah.
11:31But then he just like, didn't show up at all for anything.
11:36Did I just like totally miss this?
11:38He didn't show up for OTAs and I don't think he showed up for mandatory minicamp because
11:44they traded for him, but they didn't touch his contract, which was like the whole reason
11:49he wanted to get traded to a team and get a contract adjustment.
11:52So the Jets traded for him, like fine, good move.
11:56You needed pass rushers.
11:57You lost, um, uh, who was their secondary edge rusher last year?
12:02I think he signed with the Texans.
12:04I'm blanking on his name, but they lost some of their pass rushers.
12:07So they need a pass rusher, like good move, get Hassan Redick, but then they just didn't
12:10adjust his contract and then he just didn't show up.
12:13So that's another kind of contract situation here in the division that might have to get
12:17well.
12:18Quinn Williams apparently is talking about him winning defensive player of the year.
12:21So Hassan Redick winning defense player.
12:24Yeah.
12:25Yeah.
12:26Interesting.
12:27Said this yesterday.
12:28So they sounds like they plan on a being there.
12:33That would just be so Jets if they trade for a player and he just, he's like, no, I'm good.
12:39I'm not, I'm not showing up.
12:40That would be funny.
12:41That would be very chat.
12:43Yeah.
12:44What bills?
12:45Hey, give us some bills.
12:46Hate.
12:47We didn't, we didn't.
12:48It's not hate.
12:49It's logic, Brian.
12:50Look, they, first of all, what was Josh Allen before Stefan digs?
12:55What was Josh Allen before Stefan digs?
12:57Digs is now gone.
12:58They didn't adequately replace him.
13:01I Keon Coleman's fine.
13:04You know, I, at times during the draft, he reminded me of, of, of Nikhil Harry.
13:08I think he has a higher ceiling, but the reality of it is he's more of a, and actually I think
13:14this is a really good comp form, more like his ceiling.
13:19He's more of a Gabe Davis type, just the way he plays.
13:22He will have three or four games a year where he'll catch like four passes for a hundred
13:26yards and two touchdowns.
13:28And we won't see him the rest of the year.
13:30That's just the kind of player he is.
13:32That's not a replacement.
13:33You look at it, their team, KJ Hamler, good depth receiver, Mac Collins, good depth receiver,
13:40Curtis Samuel gadget player, Khalil Shakir will maybe give them something they brought
13:44in chase Claypool.
13:45That's how desperate they are.
13:46And I know they're going to try to play Dawson knocks at receiver, but he's a tight end.
13:49That's what he is.
13:50They put this entire thing on Josh Allen.
13:52Last time he had to do that, he wasn't good.
13:54Now it's a few years later, but I think you're kidding yourself.
13:57If you don't think he's going to take a step back and the team as a whole is going to take
13:59a step back.
14:00They lost key players on the defensive side of the ball as well.
14:03They lost both of their safeties.
14:04They, I mean, they haven't had Tredavis white for a few years, but they lost him officially.
14:09Jordan Phillips is gone.
14:10He was an important leader for that team.
14:12Um, Leonard Floyd, Leonard Floyd.
14:15They've just lost a lot of talent.
14:18They've lost a lot of talent on a team that was purely talent driven.
14:22They weren't winning games because they were doing anything super creative, right?
14:28Because of the coaching or even that, what was the game against?
14:31Was it Denver?
14:32Were they like messed up the, uh, field goal?
14:35Yes.
14:36Yes.
14:37Yeah.
14:38And just gave them, give them the win.
14:39And then the fake punt to DeMar Hamlin and the playoffs like, Oh, Oh my gosh.
14:43It's brutal.
14:44I don't think there's a coach in the league with a hotter seat than Sean McDermott.
14:47Now he'll throw everybody and his mother under the bus to save his own job.
14:51We saw him do that last year.
14:52The only ones left are him and bean.
14:54So one of those two guys, I both should have both should be on the hot seat, but they're
14:58in trouble.
14:59They don't have a ton of help on the way.
15:01Even in the next few years, they don't have any money.
15:02They're like, yeah, cap space.
15:04They don't have cash on hand.
15:05They're building the stadium.
15:07They're in trouble.
15:08They are in trouble, plain and simple period.
15:10And it's, we talked a lot about the step on digs loss.
15:14I think that's a big loss.
15:16Mitch Morris to another important player on that offense.
15:19So we're going to find out if Josh Allen's the way I think he's regarded too highly.
15:23If he can get them to 12 wins with this roster, maybe I'm wrong.
15:27Okay.
15:28Big year, big year for Barth in the Josh Allen narrative.
15:32So does McDermott make it out of the season?
15:35The regular season in your eyes?
15:37I'd imagine yes, still, because they'll probably win 10 or 11 games, but once they lose to
15:43the bangles or the chiefs again in the playoffs, I'll probably say, think that's the end of
15:47the road for Sean McDermott.
15:48It's gotta be, they can't, they can't run it back again if they just lose in the second
15:52round of the playoffs with Sean McDermott.
15:54But here's the problem.
15:55He just signed a contract.
15:58Was it last year?
15:59He signed a contract extension.
16:01Going into last year.
16:02Yeah.
16:03Before last season started.
16:04Yeah.
16:05So he, he recently, whatever it was recently signed a, yeah, February, June, 2023.
16:11So about a year ago, he signed a contract extension.
16:14So did bean through 2027.
16:16That's a lot of money.
16:18Can the bills afford to buy him out and pay a second coach?
16:24Like that's going to be a question he may get by just, you know, the way Marv Lewis
16:27got by for years and years and years.
16:30That being said, if I don't know about during the season, if Brian day ball gets let go
16:36in New York, I don't know how, if you're the bills, you don't make that move.
16:40Because he is the only one who truly figured out Josh Allen.
16:43And if you can get him back in the building, I think you have to do it.
16:47If you're not going to fire McDermott and make him the head coach, then you give, uh,
16:55you give day ball the bag.
16:56You make him the highest paid offensive coordinator in football and you bring him in.
17:01But that's really the only way I can see it happening.
17:03Cause I just don't know how, I don't know if they have the money to do it.
17:06Yep.
17:07So day ball will be the, uh, what year did McDaniels come back?
17:11He got fired and then he came back for like the playoffs was that 11, 12, somewhere in
17:17their early 20 tens.
17:22It would have been 12, right?
17:2412, 20, no, 20, end of the 2011 season, 2011.
17:27Okay.
17:28Cause that was when Billy O left for Penn state and he got fired by the, by the battle.
17:35This could be our money prediction of the show, the giant stink.
17:40They fired a ball and then the bills go all out and try to get day ball back in the building.
17:45Cause that was when Josh Allen was at his best.
17:47They were really good together.
17:49So, uh, and then day balls there for the playoffs probably still doesn't work.
17:53Maybe he becomes our next head coach.
17:55Who knows?
17:56But, uh, yeah, McDermott seat is, is very, very hot.
17:59So, um, and they can still win the division, just to be clear, still win the division.
18:05I just, it's, they're not going to be the team they were the last few years.
18:08And I think the jets with Rogers healthy, healthy, close the gap, Miami, it's just a
18:14consistency problem.
18:15Miami's had a ton of talent.
18:16Miami is still very talented.
18:19Coaching is an issue, but when you get McDermott verse, uh, uh, McDaniel, I mean, all bets
18:24are off.
18:25That's just, you know, who, who, who will screw up the least?
18:29Yeah.
18:30Which I think that was kind of our stance last year.
18:33I think about the bills, like the roster kind of took a step back, but they're probably
18:36still going to win 10, 11 games when the division, which is kind of exactly what they did, but
18:41the roster took another step back this year.
18:43So they still have Josh Allen.
18:45They still have a good, you know, front seven defensively, some playmakers on the backend,
18:49like there'd still be in contention, uh, for this thing, but like, it's on Josh Allen.
18:54Now, if he is going to like kind of cement his flag as a top three quarterback in this
18:59league, which like, I'm more on the side that he has the talent to do so, like this
19:03is his time to, to kind of prove that.
19:05So, um, Patriots they're they're fourth, they're fourth in this division based off roster.
19:12What would have to happen?
19:13Do you think for them to finish third or second, like Aaron Rogers getting hurt or, but let's
19:21say like third and being in contention for one of those wildcard, like the last wildcard
19:26spot.
19:28I mean, so aside from injuries, obviously, right?
19:32Like if Josh Allen gets hurt, the bills are in massive, massive, massive trouble, right?
19:36Or if Aaron Rogers gets hurt, the jets are in, in major trouble.
19:39But I do like Andrew Peasley.
19:40Who's there, I think fourth string quarterback right now.
19:42Um, actually I like Tyrod Taylor too.
19:45So for whatever that's worth, but like outside of that, I think the best chance Patriots
19:50have to not finish in the last is it all just compounds on Miami two in a contract
19:58year Tyree kill getting older.
20:01It starts getting in their head.
20:02They can't beat these good teams and they just have a meltdown and it just, it doesn't
20:07work.
20:08It doesn't click.
20:09They just, they ha they have just a bad season.
20:13Nobody's on the same page because I think they might be susceptible to that for a few
20:16reasons.
20:17I just named some of them.
20:18Right.
20:20And that gets them down on like seven or eight wins.
20:22And then Drake may steps in right away and it's just the real deal.
20:25Drake may steps in and is winning them football games and now maybe they get to seven or eight.
20:31Those are two big yes.
20:32The may one probably being bigger, but those are two big yes.
20:37If it were to happen, that's how I think it would happen is Miami just melts down.
20:42Yeah.
20:43And that's not to say like the Jetson bills could melt down too.
20:48I just don't think their floor is quite that low.
20:51Yeah.
20:52They're for ending injuries.
20:53Injury.
20:54Yes.
20:55Yeah.
20:56Miami's floor is a little lower just because two is injury history in, I mean the, the
21:01bills coaches in that case too, who's there, Daniel just has not proven to do anything.
21:05They still have my boys.
21:08I think they signed a two year deal.
21:09Let me see.
21:10Um, pull this up here.
21:13My internet is going like very slow.
21:15I'll try to pull it up.
21:17Their backup is yeah, it's still Mike White and they still have Skylar Thompson and just
21:22for the sake of completing the conversation, the bills, Oh, isn't Nathan Bitterman back
21:27in Buffalo?
21:28Oh, Mitchell Trubisky is back in Buffalo.
21:30I mean, Trubisky, yes.
21:32And they have Shane Bushell SMU legend.
21:35Wow.
21:36Um, yeah, but I mean, even if one of those teams kind of melts down the, the big, if
21:41like it comes back to Drake may like, that's how the Patriots ceiling kind of gets raised.
21:46Like Drake may starts more games than we imagine.
21:49And like, just is awesome.
21:51Like if he's kind of, I don't want to say CJ Stroud, cause that team like one, a lot
21:55of games went to the playoffs, but if he's just kind of on that level where he raises
21:59the whole ceiling of the team and, and, you know, one of the other teams kind of falls
22:02off and they can catch them, but, um, still, you know, they're going to be most likely
22:07fourth unless, you know, things get really crazy there, but, uh, so you have the jets
22:12just last ACS question.
22:14How many teams in the division make the playoffs?
22:17Are you just going jets and bills too?
22:20Or does a third Miami team sneak in there and we can kind of do the whole playoff picture.
22:25We'll get into the whole, you know, around the NFL and a little bit here, but just AFC
22:30East, like how many playoff teams would you take?
22:32I think there's a chance.
22:33There's three.
22:34I think there's a good chance.
22:35There's three just because the West only has the chiefs, right?
22:42Maybe so Jacksonville or Houston, whoever doesn't win the division, maybe one of them
22:47sneaks in and then you have like, can the dolphins be better than so many teams is you
22:55have the Browns, Bengals, Ravens, Texans, Jaguars, that's five potential playoff teams.
23:02Two of them are going to win their division.
23:04So can the dolphins be better than two of Cincinnati, Cleveland, Jacksonville, Houston?
23:13You get what I'm trying to say?
23:14Like I can't, you get what I'm like, I think that's doable.
23:18I don't know that it's a lock, but I certainly think it's doable.
23:21Yeah, I agree with you there.
23:24Probably two, but you know, maybe one of those teams sneaks in and like, we'll always have
23:30injuries play such a big part of this, right?
23:33Like last year we probably were sitting here saying the Bengals are, I think I had them
23:36going to like Superbowl.
23:38Then Joe Burrow's wrist is in the same, you know, isn't functioning all year and they
23:41don't even make the playoffs.
23:42So one of those teams you always imagine, like we'll fall out and open the door for
23:47someone else.
23:48So it'll be an interesting division.
23:51There's not maybe a clear cut favorite, but there's three teams that are kind of all in
23:55that same boat who could be contending for that AFC title all throughout the year.
24:02And then Patriots are just kind of sitting there.
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25:27So where do you want to go?
25:28Rest of the NFL stay in the AFC, I guess for yeah, I guess I think the big question is
25:34do the chiefs have any real competition in the AFC?
25:37And I think the answer is no.
25:38I think the answer is no, no, nobody has risen to that tier definitively, definitively.
25:47If I had to pick one team to challenge the chiefs, it's the Baltimore Ravens because
25:53the Baltimore Ravens, actually this is fair.
25:57Okay.
25:58So these two kind of have the same thing, Cincinnati too, but the Ravens specifically
26:03remind me a lot of the Boston Celtics.
26:06And what I mean by that is how many times the last few years did the Celtics get to
26:13the conference championship or the championship, but it took so much out of them to get there.
26:18And Tatum was dealing with his wrist.
26:20Jalen Brown was dealing with his knee and it was like, man, if they were just healthy,
26:24they'd really be able to do it.
26:26And a lot of people have talked about how Lamar Jackson really hasn't won big games
26:29in his career.
26:30And that is true to this point.
26:32He doesn't strike me as like a choker though, as a guy that can't win the big game, the
26:37style he plays, he's just always banged up late in the year.
26:41I would love to see him get there healthy because I think he can do it.
26:47He's just got to get there.
26:48So like the addition of a guy like Derrick Henry who can just wear the workload all season,
26:52I think could be massive, massive.
26:55So I like the Ravens and, and good point in the chat to the Bengals again, assuming health,
27:00they improved their offensive line, but Joe Burrow's got to stay healthy.
27:05And he's now the, the injury prone thing, you know, the Andrew luck ish comparison is
27:11starting to creep up on him a little bit.
27:13We're not there quite yet, but he's been hurt, you know, a good amount, Jamar chase has dealt
27:18with injuries.
27:19Who knows where T Higgins is at mentally.
27:21If they can lock in like that's the next tier to me is, is the Ravens in the, in the Bengals.
27:27I won't put the Texans there just yet because it was just one year.
27:33I need to see a little more of them see it again.
27:36Right.
27:37But to me it's, it's the Ravens and the Bengals, but the question for both those teams is health.
27:41And those are two teams that have not done a good job of staying healthy the last few
27:45years.
27:46Yep.
27:47The Joe Burrow thing is going to be really interesting.
27:49Like if that risks kind of lingers, like, I don't know, throughout his career or just
27:54even into this year, like how that is, yeah, I was, he was on a part of my take to today
28:04it.
28:05And I only listened, I was only able to listen to like the first 20 minutes, but he's like,
28:07he still wasn't like doing pushups and he still wasn't doing like certain exercises
28:12because of his wrist.
28:13He's like, I just haven't been able to do that.
28:16So I don't know if that's going to, I mean the risk, like not an ideal injury for a quarterback
28:21there.
28:22You're, you're throwing risks that to have any, like to have issues, keep re reoccurring
28:27issues, keep popping up there.
28:28So that'll be interesting to see how that kind of responds, how he looks, but maybe
28:33that's your Celtics, right?
28:35They get to the championship a few years ago and now your star has a wrist injury and now
28:39they get over the hump.
28:40So but yeah, I, I agree with you.
28:43I'd go Ravens.
28:44I mean, they were as a flowers fumble away from beating the chiefs last year.
28:49Right.
28:50And then assuming everything checks out with Joe Burrow, like he's beat the chief.
28:54So you put him in that department and they did show up their offensive line beyond signing
29:00Trent Brown.
29:01They Marius Mims, right?
29:04That was the first jump pick.
29:05So they'll have some, they'll have some reinforcements up there as well.
29:10So those, those two are probably the two under the chiefs.
29:13And then I agree with you, like Houston showed a lot more than anyone was really expecting
29:18last year.
29:19CJ Stroud was awesome, got Steph on digs, but like, let's just see you do it again.
29:24And if you can do it again, like they're probably right in that category with the Ravens in
29:27the bangles.
29:28We just kind of got to wait and wait and see it.
29:30I have to see it.
29:31Like they have the potential to be, they certainly have that next group.
29:34And that next group is Houston, Jacksonville, Buffalo, Miami, Cleveland.
29:41We'll get to the charges, the charges are their own thing, but like, that's that next
29:44group.
29:46Houston probably is the best chance to break out of that group.
29:48But again, I think you got to see it because they, it is just such a young team and the,
29:52you know, they make a big addition in Steph on digs.
29:55Let's see what that looks like.
29:56The Jaguars, or do you just want to kind of go through division, touch on some of these
30:00teams?
30:01I guess we can finish up the AFC North.
30:03The Browns, I think will be fine.
30:05They punched a bit above their weight last year.
30:07I think there'll be okay.
30:08I think that's just all, how's like, what is the Sean Watson going to do?
30:12Like, right.
30:13That is eight, nine, 10 win team.
30:16The defense is good.
30:17Nick Chubb will be back, but yeah, I was going to, is he, is he good for week one or like
30:22camp?
30:23Nick Chubb.
30:24I don't know about camp.
30:25I believe I saw a week.
30:26One was the plan.
30:27Probably should be.
30:28Yeah.
30:29But yeah, when I say, I don't know about camp, I literally don't know.
30:34I haven't seen anything like their defense though.
30:37Their defense will keep them in games, but like the Sean Watson was not very good last
30:42year.
30:43So Joe Flacco ain't walking through that door this year.
30:46So how's, how's the Sean Watson going to look that that's big for them.
30:49And Pittsburgh is Justin Fields versus Russell Wilson.
30:52So, so who knows how that's going to end?
30:55We did this.
30:56I did this conversation the other day on the radio with Mark Dindero on, on 98 five sports
31:00up before, after I could do over, under, cause it gets, it gets confusing, but before or
31:08later Patriots pick four and a half in the draft, um, I'd go higher or lower.
31:19Lower being like five, six, seven.
31:21Oh, later.
31:22Yeah.
31:23Later, later.
31:24Yeah.
31:25Later.
31:26So I think so too.
31:27And the reason I said that is it doesn't even have a lot to do with the Patriots.
31:31I don't think people realize how many bad teams there's going to be in the NFL this
31:34year.
31:35Yeah.
31:36I know the Steelers have the whole thing with Tomlin and they never finished under 500 and
31:41it's been like 15 years, whatever.
31:43They could be really bad this year.
31:45They, they, it really feels like they are a TJ watt or make a Fitzpatrick injury away
31:50from being a really bad football team.
31:53So just to round out the AFC North, that's my, do you have any faith in the Steelers?
31:57Like I clearly don't, but no, not really.
32:01I was trying to pull up there cause they traded like Deontay Johnson too.
32:06Yeah.
32:07Did they draft a receiver?
32:08I was trying to pull up their depth chart quickly.
32:10They did, but not high.
32:13They drafted Roman Wilson, right?
32:16So their top three receivers is George Pickens, who you never know what you're going to get
32:20with George Pickens, Van Jefferson, and then Roman Wilson.
32:24So it's not great, not a great cast while you're trying to either have to give him credit.
32:29They do a Pat Fryer.
32:30Ruth will give him credit for that, but that's true, but uh, not a great kind of cast there
32:35when you're trying to resurrect Russell Wilson and Justin Fields at the same time there,
32:40they might lead the league in rushing attempts this year, but so neither one of us super
32:45high on the Steelers.
32:46Um, we kind of talked about the Texans.
32:48Here's an interesting one.
32:50How are you feeling about the Jacksonville Jaguars?
32:55I can't that that's, that's the right answer.
32:57That exhales the right answer.
32:59It's tough to get a read on them because I mean, they were so good two years ago.
33:05Then they started hot last year.
33:06Then the, like the floor just kind of caved in.
33:09The AFC South could be like sneaky fun this year.
33:12Like, Oh yeah, Anthony Richardson and like Shane Steichen was awesome for them.
33:17The Colts last year, but you know, he didn't have Anthony Richardson for most of the year.
33:22I don't know how you feel about the Titans, but like they kind of sneaky put Will Levis
33:26in a good situation.
33:28It just, they did.
33:29Yeah.
33:30Hang on.
33:31Let's, let's do the Colts first.
33:32Cause real quick thought on the Colts.
33:34Then there's an argument brewing here.
33:35I think the Colts could be a playoff team.
33:38Like they're going to be in the mix for a while.
33:40One of those wildcard spots, maybe the division, depending on like if the Texans don't take
33:46that jump, like they could probably, they only lost the division by a game last year.
33:52And that was without Anthony Richardson for 12, 13 games.
33:55So I'm pretty high on the Colts this year.
33:57I think they are the sleeper team in the AFC.
34:01Like, cause we don't, we don't know.
34:02And the original only played four games.
34:03I sure got hurt.
34:04We just don't know.
34:06It could be an eight or nine win team.
34:08It could essentially be what they were last year.
34:10And maybe Anthony Richardson isn't much of an upgrade over Gardner Minshew, or maybe Anthony
34:15Richardson's a stud and we just never got to see it.
34:17And the one thing they've done, you talk about putting the quarterback in a position to succeed.
34:21You look at the wide receivers there, they add 80 Mitchell to what was already a great
34:24group.
34:25Michael Pittman, Josh Downs, Alec Pierce, they're in great shape.
34:29So it all hinges on Anthony Richardson.
34:32He was an unknown in the draft.
34:33He was as much of a wild card as you see in the NFL draft at the quarterback position,
34:38go that high.
34:39So he's the big unknown here's from out Titans.
34:43Did they?
34:44So, so you say they put Will Levis in better position?
34:50Yeah, that is your belief.
34:54How, how exactly did they do that?
34:59They offensive minded head coach, even though I was worse head coach.
35:05Yeah.
35:06I was a fan of worse head coach, Mike Frabel, but offensive minded head coach.
35:11They got worse head coach.
35:14Okay.
35:15Like, like Adam Gase, offensive minded head coach, not I mean, he's a question mark.
35:21He's not Adam Gase.
35:22Like that's, that's unfair.
35:24But Rabel, I thought for Abel's one of the best coaches in the NFL.
35:27I thought they were crazy.
35:28They fired him.
35:29I wanted to be, uh, their top three receivers, they, they kind of remodeled it and I think
35:33they work well together.
35:34Like DeAndre Hopkins isn't prime DeAndre Hopkins, but he looked good last year.
35:39They add Calvin Ridley and Tyler Boyd to that mix.
35:42So I think that's old.
35:44They're old.
35:45Like those are three really steady, consistent guys who can make some big plays when you
35:51need it on, on the receiver position.
35:56They drafted the tackle.
36:00All the draft guys just escaped my brain.
36:02I know it's crazy.
36:03It happens.
36:04They did draft JC Latham.
36:05JC Latham.
36:06They signed, I believe it was Lloyd Cushenberry as a center and then Bill Callahan as their
36:11offensive line coach.
36:12So the offensive line should take a much, should take a big step forward.
36:16So I know they lost Derrick Henry.
36:19He's kind of declining and he's going to do good on Baltimore because it's Baltimore probably.
36:24Right.
36:25Um, I know they lost him, but I think their offensive line got better.
36:29The receivers got better with Calvin Ridley and Tyler Boyd, even though they're on the
36:34older side.
36:35So I think, you know, that's a pretty, it's not the greatest situation, but I think it's
36:40a better situation than Will Levis was in last year.
36:43I just, I think Will Levis is a guy that needs a lot more than that.
36:48And I don't think he's going to have a long leash, not the, not the front office that
36:52picked them right.
36:53New coach.
36:54That's true.
36:55Sorry.
36:56Not his same front office.
36:57Rand Cawthorn is still there, but, or, uh, yeah, yeah.
37:00New coaching staff, new offense, all of that.
37:03I think he's going to have a short leash.
37:04I think you get ugly in Tennessee this year.
37:06I think you get really ugly in Tennessee.
37:07I agree.
37:08I think like, I think they're pretty volatile.
37:11Like it could, they could surprise some people or they could just like be picking second
37:16or third in the draft.
37:17But uh, I was, I wasn't like a huge Will Levis guy in the draft.
37:24I liked Will Levis.
37:25I like, I like his arm talent.
37:26I thought he had some good flashes last year.
37:28So a lot is on him.
37:30Like, can he kind of take that next step to that, that, that year to jump in?
37:35You know, like, I think the big thing was him, like more of the mental side of the game.
37:38Like he's got the physical tools, like, can he do some of the things on, on the mental
37:42side?
37:43So a lot of it is on him, but I, I thought the situation around him, uh, kind of took,
37:48took a small step forward.
37:49I'd say.
37:50Yeah.
37:51I, I may be small.
37:52I just didn't think it was great last year to begin with.
37:55They went six and 11 and I, I think it could get frustrating there.
37:59Um, in the West, you know, just, I don't know what they did defensively though.
38:04Oh, they got a legeria Sneed.
38:06They did get legeria Sneed, but I feel like they lost some front seven guys.
38:09I want to say that sounds right.
38:11And their defense wasn't very good last year either.
38:13Right.
38:14Um, hang on.
38:15I don't think it was outside of the, that random Miami game late in the year, which
38:24was just Miami again.
38:25Um, they did draft of Andre sweat who we both like.
38:29There you go.
38:30You might be back on the Titans now.
38:31Uh, yeah, that might have to be, um, it doesn't say who they lost.
38:36Weird.
38:37Okay.
38:38Whatever.
38:39I'm not that high on the Titans.
38:40All right.
38:42And in the West, same thing, like we'll see what Antonio Pierce can do.
38:46I do like Antonio Pierce, but they don't have a quarterback.
38:51They don't have a quarterback.
38:52Devante Adams still kind of checked out.
38:55It sounds like, um, they've lost some players on defense.
38:59So I'll know about the Raiders.
39:01I don't know what the hell the Broncos were thinking.
39:04That never made any sense.
39:05And then they traded Jerry Judy and they got worse.
39:08And I'll say I'm out on the chargers.
39:10I'm out.
39:11Really?
39:12I think, I think there was a way to salvage that when they moved, because they were never
39:18winning anything with Brandon Staley.
39:19Brandon Staley is the worst coach in the league.
39:21Was terrible.
39:22Absolutely.
39:23Did he get a job?
39:24I'll look that up.
39:25All you keep.
39:26He's like, I think he's an advisor somewhere.
39:27Look it up.
39:28I hopefully not.
39:29But, um, he should go the Adam case route.
39:31Um, and I thought there was a way to salvage it.
39:35You have Justin Herbert.
39:36You have some talent on both sides of the ball to use it.
39:41Instead they go out and add Jim Harbaugh, who's going to run the ball 35 times a game
39:45and completely disregard Justin Herbert.
39:48They draft Joe Alt, the best left tackle and draft moving to the right side, complete waste
39:53trade down, trade down or draft a real right tackle or something.
39:58So many better options than what they did.
40:01And you know, they law and they had to make some of these moves for the cap, but they
40:04lost Keenan Allen.
40:05They lost Mike Williams.
40:06I would have tried to hold on to one of those guys and move somebody on the defensive side
40:10of the ball and say, I believe they kept Cleo Mack.
40:12Right.
40:13And obviously they still have Bosa.
40:14Yeah.
40:15So I, I would have tried to move one of those, one of those defensive guys instead, but they're
40:19going to try to win every game, 10 to three and run the ball.
40:21And it's going to be the same thing they did in Michigan.
40:24That's not going to work.
40:25And we've seen with the Patriots just tried to do this.
40:27They're going to try to do what the Patriots try and do for the last three or four years.
40:30Now they have a better quarterback, but the whole point of the system is negating the
40:33quarterback.
40:34So no, I don't believe in the chargers.
40:36I think they hired the wrong coach and it, it sucks that they're going to waste more
40:40years.
40:41Justin Herbert.
40:42Yep.
40:43Um, yeah.
40:44Quentin Johnson being your number one receiver isn't great, or I guess maybe Josh, it's him
40:49or Joshua Palmer.
40:50Unless I might take Josh Palmer.
40:52Yeah, I probably would too.
40:54I mean, they drafted somebody, right?
40:56Drafted McConkie, but like, he's going to be your more inside guy.
41:00Yeah.
41:01It could be McConkie.
41:02Oh great.
41:03Yeah.
41:05We'll get to Staley.
41:06I just saw what his job is.
41:07We'll get to Staley.
41:08But, um, yeah, I mean, volume wise, it's probably going to be McConkie in, in that offense.
41:13He'll just take the Roman Wilson, Michigan role, uh, and Gus, Gus Edwards and, uh, they
41:19just took the Baltimore backfield, Gus Edwards and JK Dobbins, who those two are both going
41:23to be hurt by week six with the amount of time.
41:25And you know who their OC is, right?
41:27Um, Greg Roman.
41:29Yeah.
41:30Greg Roman.
41:31So they're going to be running the ball.
41:32They're going to try to run the Lamar Jackson offense with Justin Herbert.
41:36Makes no sense.
41:37No.
41:38Justin Herbert.
41:39Oh, they're fullbacks.
41:40Ben Mason though.
41:41That's fun.
41:42Former Raven and former Wolverine.
41:45That's true.
41:46So, and I'm sure Donovan Edwards will be their first round pick next year.
41:49Yep.
41:50That's about as much of a Harbaugh team.
41:52I mean, their tight ends are Will Disley, Donald Parham, Hayden Hearst.
41:57Yep.
41:58That, that's a Harbaugh team.
41:59The chiefs definitely took a bit of a hit this off season.
42:02Like I think their roster is worse than it was last year.
42:05I don't think that's a hot take.
42:06Maybe it is.
42:07It doesn't mean it's not good, but it's worse than it was last year.
42:09They might win more games because that division could be stinky.
42:13Yeah.
42:15You could have, I don't, are you going to have outside of the chiefs, you're going to
42:18have a seven win team in that division.
42:20Raiders and Broncos both won eight last year.
42:22Charters won five.
42:23You're going to have a six win team in that division besides the chiefs.
42:27I don't think so.
42:28You really might not.
42:30Yeah.
42:31Unless like Harbaugh catches fire or something, like I'd probably lean the chargers out of
42:36any of those just because they have Justin Herbert.
42:38But like, as we just said, like that, the rosters and like great offensively, it doesn't
42:44make sense.
42:45Just none of it makes sense.
42:46Yeah.
42:47It's weird.
42:48All right.
42:49You want to talk a little NFC football before we wrap this up?
42:52Yeah.
42:53Um, Brandon Staley is a assistant coach slash defense on the Kyle Shanahan staff with the
43:00San Francisco, which is why to go back to the point and we'll start out West here.
43:04Well, so he's going to be the defensive coordinator at some point, right?
43:07Cause they fired, didn't they fire Steve Wilkes after the Superbowl, they, they made an example
43:12of Steve Wilkes.
43:13Yeah.
43:14Let's, let's put it that way.
43:15They made an example and Steve Wilkes did not have a great Superbowl, but he did excellent
43:20up to that point and he was not the biggest reason they lost that game.
43:25Also they hired a Nick Sorenson as their DC.
43:28Okay.
43:30So he's kind of in that.
43:31I'm talking about Staley's kind of in that Joe judge role.
43:36Um, here's the thing, so to go back to the point, do the chiefs have any real competition
43:42standing in the way of a three feet?
43:43They should, they should because the Niners have the best roster in football and I don't
43:48think it's close Niners have a great roster.
43:52They play a really exciting style of football.
43:56They're hard to defend.
43:57They've got depth.
43:58They're not a team.
44:00I mean, injuries can obviously catch up to any NFL team, but they can afford to lose
44:04a few guys and they'll still be in very good shape.
44:06It's part of the reason I think they're not trading Brandon to keep those redundancies.
44:11Good team.
44:14But as long as Shanahan is the coach, I can't consider them a serious Superbowl threat because
44:20we are past the point.
44:22He did it in the Superbowl when he was the OC in Atlanta.
44:25He did it.
44:26He's done it in two Superbowls with the Niners and in a conference championship game, up
44:30two scores, fourth quarter with a average quarterback.
44:35And he's trying to call four verts.
44:37He's like a drunk kid playing Madden.
44:39Just wants to pile up the numbers in the Superbowl.
44:42I don't know why he does it.
44:43I don't know if it's math.
44:44I don't know if it's arrogance.
44:45I don't know if it's ego.
44:47I don't know what I don't know if it's just plain stupidity.
44:50Can't get a feel for the game.
44:51We are past the point where, Oh, he'll figure it out.
44:55He's young.
44:56He's inexperienced.
44:57Right?
44:58He hasn't been there.
44:59No, he's been there plenty.
45:00He's been in this league a long time.
45:03It's happened to him multiple times.
45:06I hope he proves me wrong because I like a lot of the guys on that roster.
45:09I'd like to see him be champions.
45:10Even if it means Evan will take the biggest victory lap ever on me, I'll put up for it
45:14because it'd be cool to see that team win and it'd be great for the chiefs to not win.
45:19But I can't consider that team legitimate Superbowl contender as long as he's the head
45:22coach.
45:23I can't do it.
45:25I'm a, I'm a Shanahan guy.
45:27So I hope he gets it done.
45:30I will say I was looking at my like fantasy, one of my fantasy leagues got like automatically
45:37renewed today.
45:38So I was just going through stuff and the Brock Purdy, like the latest news on Brock
45:43Purdy was just Niners plan to be more pass heavy in 2024 is the belief.
45:48So no, what are you doing?
45:51How do you defend this guy?
45:52Great.
45:53Great play designer, excellent offensive coordinator, excellent offensive coordinator.
45:59That's where it ends.
46:00I don't know how you can still defend the guy's head coach.
46:03Yeah, I don't, it was, so it's the athletics map borrows believes Niners will be more pass
46:08heavy.
46:09They called 109 pass plays and only 77 runs over three games in the playoffs, which was
46:16a drastic departure from their run forward ratio of the past.
46:20In the investment at wide receiver, you know, they drafted Ricky Pearsall in the first round
46:25and Kyle Shanahan's Kyle Shanahan's trust in Brock Purdy.
46:29The belief is there'll be more pass heavy this year.
46:32So all right.
46:33So she's her three feeding chiefs.
46:37No one else in the NFC.
46:38You don't believe in a Detroit or Jordan Love is Detroit's good, but I don't think they're
46:43that good.
46:45And their coach has, and I liked Dan Campbell, but their coach has some issues in terms of
46:49game management.
46:50Um, the Cowboys, the Cowboys are going to win 13 games in one and doesn't playoffs.
46:56Yeah.
46:57They're, they're not gone.
46:58Phil.
46:59I Philly has the ability to do it, but it just, that feels like such a shaky operation
47:04right now.
47:05If everything goes right, Philly has a chance, but I just don't think everything's going
47:11to go right for Philly.
47:12Um, Jordan Love, I need it kind of like the Texans.
47:17I need to see another year or two.
47:19Like I think they will get there.
47:21I think they are on the path to being the best team in the NFC.
47:25They're not there just yet.
47:27They're still a little young.
47:29There's still a couple holes in that roster.
47:32Not quite.
47:33Um, and then the South is the South.
47:35I mean, it's, it's the wildest, most boring division in football probably is the most
47:39fun division in football.
47:41You can't boring, fun, boring, fun, winter.
47:44The winter is going to be seven and nine and it's going to come down to the final game
47:48and it's going to be awesome.
47:49And it's just going to be terrible football the whole way through.
47:52It's going to be great.
47:53Uh, if, well, they have two quarterbacks, maybe the Falcons, they could finish nine
47:58and eight or nine and eight.
48:01It'll be Atlanta and Tampa.
48:02Like they'll both be like nine, 10 win teams.
48:04And, and you know, we'll see where Kirk cousins at coming off the Achilles.
48:08If Michael Penix gets any play this year, but those are nine, 10 win teams right now.
48:13The top of the NFC is the Cowboys, but they're not a playoff threat.
48:16The lions or the second tier, I say, cause the, the Niners are the top Cowboys Eagles,
48:22but they both have big asterisks lions, Packers, nobody else in the West scares again, to go
48:29back to my other point about the Patriot traffic too.
48:32You look in the NFC and the teams that could be the bad teams, Cardinals could be bad.
48:37Carolina could be bad.
48:40Minnesota could be bad.
48:42Giants could be bad.
48:44Commanders could be bad.
48:45I think those are all teams that could be four or five win teams.
48:48No JJ McCarthy.
48:50I said Minnesota.
48:51I know you don't believe in JJ.
48:53Well, we know you don't believe in JJ McCarthy, but I thought we had like, we agreed he could
48:58be good.
48:59Like if there was a spot for him, that's probably a little harsh.
49:02That's probably a little harsh.
49:03Like that's the spot for me.
49:05It's going to come down.
49:06Justin Jefferson.
49:07It's going to go as far as Justin Jefferson.
49:09So I, I take that back.
49:11I said that was an emotional, I'll take that off the list, but like I can see giants winning
49:17three games.
49:19Absolutely see that.
49:20The commanders like it, it's Jayden Daniels, right?
49:23Like, let's see what Jayden Daniels will play.
49:24Well, they do not have a good offensive line, so you could also be hurt.
49:27They could be like what the Colts were last year, but without Garner Mintry to bail them
49:31out.
49:32The Saints are due for a blow up.
49:34Like, yeah, the Saints could be bad.
49:39The Panthers, did the Panthers really get any better?
49:43Well they, they beefed up the interior of their offensive line.
49:47Remember they signed like two guards to big contracts.
49:50They traded for Deontay Johnson.
49:52They drafted Xavier Leguette.
49:54So their receivers should theoretically be better, but it's nothing like a major step
50:00forward.
50:02It's Bryce Young, like it's still on Bryce Young.
50:06Top five pick.
50:07I look, if you're, if you win five games or fewer, you're probably in a, in, in the range
50:13for top five pick.
50:14Panthers won two games last year.
50:15Are they more than three games better?
50:17No, definitely not.
50:19So they could be bad.
50:20And I still don't believe in Kyler Murray.
50:22I know they got Marvin Harrison Jr. and, and you know, they had a good, good draft and
50:26they did well in free agency, but Kyler's going to get hurt.
50:29They have no backup quarterback.
50:30I still think Arizona could be a four or five point team.
50:33Okay.
50:34What do you think about the bears?
50:37Could that be like a sneaky wildcard team?
50:40Cause I mean the rocks are like, it's another rookie quarterback.
50:43So big question Mark, but I mean Roma Dunes, a Keenan Allen and I'm forgetting their other
50:52third receiver.
50:53Who's their third receiver?
50:55I'll pull it up.
50:56But no, they, I think everybody's going to call them this year's Texans.
50:59I think that's going to be the popular, like that's going to be the expectation.
51:02Um, the third receiver is DJ more.
51:05DJ more that that's right.
51:07And then Cole commit had a good year and they had a good defense already.
51:11Like they, yeah.
51:12You know, they're in a tougher division than the Texans were last year.
51:14I think that's the big difference.
51:15They got Detroit green Bay, Minnesota.
51:19Um, they, they, they could be like a nine, 10 win team.
51:23You know, it's like you said, it's going to come down to Caleb Williams, a lot of rookies
51:27actually they're, they're counting on.
51:29But they'll be, I don't think they're gonna be back picking in the top five yet.
51:32Look, they did ninth pick last year.
51:34Right.
51:35They picked first overall, but that was because the Panthers screwed up.
51:38They had the ninth pick last year.
51:40So, you know, Matt Eberflew is on a hot seat.
51:41He's got to get off to a good start, but they, they should be in the mix for wildcard spot.
51:47Yeah.
51:48Matt, Matt Eberflew is like, he screams more defensive coordinator to me than head coach.
51:54So I mean, he got the defense plane, you know, really good at the end of last season.
51:59Uh, I think Shane Waldron will be kind of big for them there.
52:02You know, he's a lot of pressure on him.
52:04He's as the OC.
52:05So, uh, there'll be kind of an interesting, interesting team to watch there, but yeah,
52:09it's San Fran and the NFC it's, uh, Kansas city and the AFC and then kind of everyone
52:17else there.
52:17So, um, I mean, hopefully we just don't have a super bowl rematch rematch.
52:22That'll, that'll kind of be not as fun, but I think like from a Patriot standpoint,
52:28my big thing that, that you kind of, you know, harped on a few times there was, and I got
52:33asked in my, my mailbag, uh, two weeks ago, it's like, are the Patriots just a lock for
52:38the top five again?
52:39And like, they might not be, you know, a playoff contender, but there's a lot of bad teams.
52:46It looks like in the league and you, like, it was so hard for the Patriots last year
52:52and they still won four games and they were a player two away from winning, you know,
52:56another one or two games.
52:58So with their improvements, like even if they get five, six wins, like they're, I would
53:04be surprised, uh, just with the rest of the teams in the league, if they're kind of picking
53:08back in the top five again, they're right.
53:12That's kind of my take too.
53:13Yep.
53:14So, uh, any other takes around the league, any other predictions you want to, you want
53:19to fire off or that's about it.
53:23All right.
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54:49So before we log off quick, I mean, what a weekend for this Red Sox, right?
54:55Like awesome.
54:56Come from behind, uh, when it was Friday night, I believe the Yankees, and then wasn't a great
55:04Saturday, but awesome game last night.
55:06Cutter Crawford shoved Devers just owns that team.
55:09So awesome week, uh, for the Red Sox.
55:13They are 18 and nine since John Henry's said teams have a one in 20 or one in 30 shot of,
55:19of winning the world series.
55:21So they're fighting back from what he had to say.
55:23And I mean, they're by they're just by, by, by at the deadline right now.
55:27So awesome week for the Sox.
55:29Did you have any, any thoughts on that?
55:31Well, I don't know.
55:32We saw John Henry's comments today, but it's a good thing.
55:34We're talking about the Red Sox because he can't, he can't.
55:37So we have to do it because we own the team.
55:40Um, encouraging weekend.
55:43And it sucks to come out of that.
55:46And here's the owner basically reminding us he doesn't care and knowing that they're not
55:51going to do anything about it at the deadline.
55:53And it's going to be the same thing.
55:54They're going to get discouraged and they're going to slow down.
55:57And in August, you're going to lose one of the best managers in baseball.
56:01Cause he's sick of this, which I don't blame him.
56:03It's a shame.
56:04We should be unilaterally celebrating the Red Sox today.
56:07And I'm not saying that we can't celebrate them, especially Raphael Devers who had a
56:11great weekend, but man, I just don't know how it's frustrating.
56:17It's like, I am so ready to have a baseball season in September and invest in this team.
56:24They don't need to make that many moves unless they have to go out and get Garrett
56:27crochet and Andrew Vaughn from the white Sox.
56:29Like that's going to be an exorbitant price.
56:31No, thank you.
56:32Good on that.
56:33Can you go get a starter?
56:35And I don't even need a first baseman because cost is coming back, but I don't want to hear
56:38causes is the position so obvious.
56:41That's what it's going to be.
56:43Go get a real shortstop or real middle infielder, like, but they're not going to do it.
56:47They're not going to do it.
56:48And it sucks.
56:49And it's frustrating.
56:50You worried about the Bruins and swimming?
56:53No, the fact that neither side filed for arbitration.
56:57Like I'm pretty confident that that's going to get done.
57:01He was, I mean, he was at development camp.
57:03He was skating today.
57:04Someone posted a picture.
57:05So he's been around.
57:06I think no worries with that.
57:09I think that'll just get hammered out whenever.
57:12So no worries.
57:14But yeah, the Red Sox is just frustrating that they'll probably not going to do anything.
57:20And again, it's a fun team.
57:21It's an exciting team.
57:22It's a young team.
57:25So I wish they would do something.
57:26But the core point is good, too, because he's did you hear him last night?
57:31He's yeah, he's probably already gone.
57:34And if this team just like sits on their hands again at the deadline, like you can't blame
57:40him for leaving.
57:40And it's too bad because he's awesome.
57:42He's one of the best managers in the sport, but he would have he would have the right
57:46to kind of kind of leave at that point.
57:48So, but we'll see.
57:51Awesome.
57:52Geron Duran was an all-star.
57:53They robbed my boy, Connor Wan, though.
57:55But yeah, I was weird.
57:56He should have been, but they got three.
57:58I mean, you can't complain.
57:59That's a good number for what this team is.
58:01Devers, Hauk and Duran.
58:03That's a good that's a good trio to send.
58:05So what's that next?
58:06Next week and the next week, I think, is the all-star game and then the trade deadline.
58:10So we will wait and see, but we will wrap it up for tonight.
58:15We'll be back either Wednesday or Thursday to talk whatever, probably do another live
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58:23And then next week, it's training camp preview time.
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59:01Bye.