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00:00What is going on, everyone?
00:15Mike Kadlik here.
00:16Taylor Kyle's there back with another episode of Patriots postgame as the Patriots just
00:21played a competitive football game for the first time in what feels like a long time.
00:25They lose 24-21 to the still AFC East leading Buffalo Bills.
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00:34We will talk about them in a little while, but first, Taylor, let's just get it off our
00:39chest about the game, right?
00:41They finally play competitive.
00:42I think until there was some iffiness about the punting at midfield with eight minutes
00:49left, I thought that they really bounced back from the nightmare that was last week's game
00:53against Arizona.
00:54I thought Gerard Mayo had this team ready to play once again a little bit, right?
01:01It felt like that early, and then everything kind of crumbled down them on the stretch,
01:06down the stretch, excuse me, yet they still only lose the game by three.
01:08So it's like they were right there, even with some coaching decisions and some execution
01:14nonsense.
01:15But overall, again, early on, 14-0 lead.
01:18It felt like after the Jacksonville game, where they said that they were softer, and
01:23they came back and fought instead.
01:24And then there was the nonsense a couple weeks ago, and they did the same thing.
01:27They came back and fought after the Jets game, it was, the first one, in New York, they came
01:32back and won.
01:33And then this one, same thing, last week, he puts his foot in his mouth, Gerard, blaming
01:38Alex Van Pelt.
01:39Then AVP comes out, calls a pretty good first quarter and a half or whatever.
01:42They go up 14, and then after that, the offense was pretty much a disaster.
01:46They still keep it close down the stretch and then lose 24-21.
01:49So we're going to go through it all.
01:51We'll go back and forth.
01:52We're going to have a conversation.
01:53I have some notes, but I just kind of want to rip it up and talk about the game like
01:56we normally do here, Taylor.
01:57So I'll hand it over to you, your initial thoughts on the game as the Patriots now sit
02:02here 3-12 with, which we'll talk about now, the number two overall pick in the 2024 NFL
02:07Draft.
02:08We cannot undersell how competitive this game was, because I've been talking about it all
02:12week.
02:13You've been talking about it all week, how we did not see.
02:15We were hoping that there would be reverse jinx, and it kind of worked.
02:18Didn't work fully, but it just felt like one of those games where it's like, it feels like
02:21they're going to get blown out, but there are like some specks of hope that maybe they
02:25keep it competitive, but it's just, we hadn't seen it, especially coming off the buy.
02:29So there was just so little faith.
02:30And I think, you know, with my game keys, a lot of the things that I wanted to see,
02:34we saw in the lead success, you unleashed Drake May for the most part, do a solid job
02:38keeping Josh Allen in the pocket.
02:39And even when he broke it, most of the time, the coverage was great on the backend.
02:44And one of the most glaring things that I also mentioned was you've got to contain the
02:47backfield for the bills outside of just Josh Allen.
02:50And they couldn't do that.
02:51Now I will say of the reasons they lost this game, poorest run defense, honestly, man,
02:56I'm at the point where I just don't, I think the run defense is what it is.
02:59I felt this way for a while, especially with no bar more, like you're just asking a lot
03:04of Eric Johnson, Jeremiah farms, Daniel equality guys who at best are lower tier rotational
03:11players who can make something happen here and there if they are fresh throughout the
03:14game.
03:15But it's a lot to ask them to consistently hold up.
03:17And then obviously at the second level, like Sione talkie talkie still isn't really the
03:20player you expect him to be because he missed so much time this summer and the season.
03:24And then obviously also got Christian Ellis who has played admirably in coverage.
03:29I think next season you resign him and you try to make him just a coverage specialist
03:33and special teamer because I don't think he's great against the run.
03:36But the run defense, I can only get so upset with because I really just don't think they
03:39have the guys to be competitive consistently.
03:41Now it sucks when you see like Kyle Duggar missing a tackle, obviously.
03:45But then when I'm also saying like, all right, surprise, surprise, it's like Daniel equality
03:49or Jeremiah farms getting uprooted.
03:51Devon gotcha.
03:52I would have liked to see him be more competitive, maybe close off the back end of that.
03:55So the lane wasn't quite as big, but like, I just don't think this is a good run defense.
03:59I don't know exactly how you fix it because it's a lot of the time it's the same people.
04:03So I touched on that, not going to harp on it too much.
04:06Now the turnovers were the difference maker in this game.
04:10And it's the thing is, it's not even like this random, Oh my gosh, they turn it over.
04:15What happened?
04:16The fumbles have been an issue for weeks.
04:18I'm talking like before the buy, I'm talking before, before the buy.
04:22It's been like, they put the ball on the ground almost every single week.
04:25Like I tweeted, they've been flirting with disaster.
04:27They've recovered pretty much every fumble they've had.
04:30They've had at least one in every game of, I think in the past, like six or seven weeks,
04:35it's been a constant problem, but it hadn't been since the strip sack of Drake may in
04:38Miami that we actually saw them lose it.
04:41Now like all the chickens came home to roost where obviously you had a couple of fumbles
04:45that didn't go the other way where Antonio Gibson fumbled one.
04:48I think was it a Hooper's maybe Antonio Gibson up the middle Gibson.
04:54I think maybe it was may also at some point fumbled.
04:57I think there were four that they got pinned with, but then obviously remanded Ray Stevenson
05:02puts it on the ground and loses it.
05:03Then there's the past where I will say I'm more open to criticizing the play because
05:08you are throwing behind the line of scrimmage when you're backed up, I get it.
05:11But also when you have Drake Jacobs missing the key block that would have gotten reminder
05:17Stevenson blown up and then Stevenson doesn't even catch the ball.
05:20It bounces off his hands, which is actually something we saw happen in one of Drake's
05:24first starts, but the ball I think fell out of bounds and it did.
05:28But it's just like, these are things we've seen happen before that all came and just
05:32flooded back.
05:33And van Pelt has said every week, we're focusing on turnovers.
05:36We're trying to protect the ball.
05:37He was saying that even in the games where they weren't turning the ball over, I think
05:40it was like one to be fair.
05:42But they were still or when they were fluky turnovers, he was still saying, we want to
05:46be better.
05:47And I think the interception with Austin Hooper, I'd like to hear if Kendrick Bourne takes
05:51any responsibility because they seemed like they were in the same area and Hooper's rep
05:55was affected by where Bourne was.
05:57I don't even think there was anything wrong with the throw from Drake.
05:59At first, it looked like a very rare bad decision, but then on replay, I'm like, ah, this looked
06:04funky.
06:05I think he was trying to throw with anticipation because he was under pressure.
06:07So the interceptions, it feels like every week are just some random bullshit or less
06:13so in the other times.
06:14It's always like a little thing that somebody does up in a literal disaster scenario.
06:19But it's the turnovers for me that really cost in this one.
06:21And then some of the decisions like we talked about it.
06:24When you're not yet, when you're at your own like area around midfield, and you're playing
06:29the bills and you're the Patriots, I really care if you go for it.
06:33To be honest, I would appreciate a little more aggression.
06:35We've talked about this.
06:36We saw it at times like with the punt, for example, the fake punt with Del Pettis.
06:40Yeah, I think that was a response to the look they got from the bills.
06:43I don't even think that was actually a call they made.
06:45I think it was just in the game.
06:46Thanks a lot of the time.
06:47That's what happens where sometimes you'll see teams fake it in a situation that doesn't
06:51make any sense.
06:52And you're like, what the hell were they thinking?
06:54And usually that happens because someone didn't kill the fake that they had run in preparation
06:58that week.
06:59But you saw like some flashes of aggressiveness.
07:02But then there's so many fourth and ones that they don't go for or fourth downs near midfield
07:06where it's like you're playing with house money.
07:08Go for it.
07:09I don't understand.
07:10Again, the screen from Alex Van Pelt, the runs on the end of the drive when they needed
07:15to score.
07:16And you're like, why are you running?
07:17You don't have time to do this because it took you too long to actually punch in the
07:20end zone when you were in scoring territory.
07:21So I think the questionable calls are a significant factor because I think it could have put the
07:26team in more positions to be successful.
07:29But the turnovers were obviously the killer in this one.
07:31And then obviously the explosive run to James Cook.
07:33Let's say if you take that one out, you know, whatever.
07:37But it just it's and also I can't even make this out to be some quality potential win
07:43for the Patriots.
07:44Because again, I don't want to undermine what they did today.
07:47Because again, we thought they were going to get blown out, but the Bulls ran the ball
07:50three times with the running backs in the first half after the James Cook explosive
07:54touchdown run.
07:55Like, or I'm sorry in total, but even after you have that big run, you don't lean on the
07:59ground game.
08:00Even when Josh Allen got hurt and then they have 13 penalties, the bills like, I'm sorry,
08:06it's really hard for me to look at this game and be like, oh, this would have been a convincing
08:09Patriots win.
08:10Now, if they'd won, you really can't complain about it either way.
08:13I would have had that small caveat.
08:14But when you lose and you lose because you made some really bad mistakes and couldn't
08:19capitalize on the bills, basically trying to hand you a win.
08:22I don't feel as good about this as I did in the first half where I'm like, okay, this
08:27is a this is huge for Gerard Mayo.
08:29This is one where I think you're still saying, like, fundamentally, it seems like there are
08:33too many issues with this team and like the coaching staff lacks awareness in certain
08:37situations or doesn't make the right calls in certain situations.
08:40So for me, when I walk away from this, the run defense is obviously a huge part of it
08:44because you couldn't get off the field as quickly as you needed to at times, but really
08:47the turnovers and the coaching decisions I look at and say, man, that cost you, it would
08:51have been the best win of the Gerard Mayo era, which is obviously extremely disappointed.
08:55A hundred percent.
08:56Charles Davis shared that on the broadcast.
08:58They talked to Mayo and he was mentioning just how important this would be, and it would
09:01kind of turn the tide for the remainder of their season.
09:04Now, as far as his job security goes and things of that nature, there was some report and
09:09you know, Gerard had had it in BSJ and Greg and all those guys sort of said that he's
09:14safe until he's not where if it turns into disaster these next three weeks, then things
09:20might change.
09:22Even though there were so many mistakes, you still only lost the bills by three here and
09:26you played competitive for most of the first half.
09:28And so I think he's still going to be fine right now, and I don't necessarily disagree
09:32with that.
09:33I think, um, you know, like I said earlier, he had them ready to play in this game, at
09:38least early on.
09:39Now the mistakes I, you talk about it, you look at it and I, I tabbed it out and I didn't
09:44include anything after the Ramond Ray Stevenson's fumble for a touchdown for the bills.
09:49But between taking a 14, nothing lead and that return touchdown, these are their offensive
09:54drives.
09:55Three plays, nine yards punt, 10 plays, 33 yards punt, three plays, 56 yards end of
10:00half.
10:02Then the second half is two plays, nine yards fumble, eight plays, 54 yards interception,
10:07two plays, negative 10 yards fumble return for a touchdown.
10:10So after some promising stuff, it turns into, you know, a nightmare and may has now thrown
10:15seven interceptions in each of the, or an interception in each of the last seven weeks.
10:20And you know, a lot of them aren't his fault.
10:22Even today, it looks like there was just some sort of miscommunication and it's not
10:25like he just threw it right into somebody's chest.
10:26He kind of put it out to nobody and you know, it's around Johnson comes under it.
10:30And then you have this reminder of Stevenson staff from Andrew Callahan.
10:33He's the only NFL running back with seven fumbles in a season since 2020 and he's the
10:37fourth since 2010.
10:40How did Andrew find that stat?
10:41That's a good one.
10:42That was like something we used to pull up when I was an NFL network, very, uh, an impressive
10:47stat poll from Andrew Callahan and a very bad stat for reminder of Stevenson, where
10:53he has the two, essentially two costly turnovers, sort of his fault on the second one.
10:58Obviously the fumble is, is its own thing.
11:00He has 60 rushing or 60 rushing yards on 12 carries.
11:03He has the touchdown loses the fumble, uh, and yeah, you know, you go from there.
11:08And so not great, but I think, uh, they, I thought they ran the ball hard.
11:14You look at their stats.
11:15I mean, reminder, I did have 12 yards to carry, or I'm sorry, five yards to carry on
11:19his 12 carry.
11:20So there's just, it's, it's the two steps forward, one step or one step forward, two
11:26steps back kind of thing that just keeps killing them.
11:28And now here you are at three and 12.
11:30So, and I, I want to give them credit.
11:33I wouldn't even say they took two steps back.
11:35I would say this was like one, because I think, you know, again, like the interception in
11:40the red zone is really tough.
11:41Yeah.
11:42And then the plate calling, it was really just like three or four decisions.
11:46I feel like really made the difference because early on, like when they did, so there was
11:49a fourth and five when they were like, I think at their 35, they don't go for it.
11:53I didn't love that because I'm like, Hey, just be aggressive, like come out full force,
11:57but it's like, all right, it's whatever.
11:58Then, you know, go for it on fourth and one on the, on your side of the field still, but
12:02that was after the fake punt.
12:03But I'm thinking, okay, if that was a call made because it was a default, yeah.
12:08I tried to tweet it.
12:09Like, I don't know why you're doing this, but I'm like, all right, I get it.
12:11I just don't like it.
12:13They also, the fake punt, the play before the fake punt, they had third and one, and
12:18it was just like a nonsense gun handoff running up the middle that they got stuff.
12:22And I was like, it was so bad, the immediate penetration.
12:26I know it's the play call bad, the execution bad.
12:30Right.
12:31And so then I'm like, what are we doing?
12:32And then they get the four, they, they fake punts.
12:34I'm like, oh, okay.
12:35That was a little ballsy.
12:36They probably they're, they're talking it out on the sideline.
12:39So van Pelt knows that they're going to at least try a fake punt here so he can be a
12:43little bit more conservative and not try and do something extravagant out of the ordinary.
12:47So that happens there.
12:49But then this, and this is the one where I go two steps back from the one step forward
12:54because it's, I want to pull out my tweet on it because I, frankly, I you know, I put
13:03it out there a little bit more than I can or better than I can think of right now.
13:06But like, he never gets away from anything.
13:08Scott free, Gerard Mayo, where he has a good day, right?
13:12You know, they fight, things are going well.
13:14And then like he did at that press conference a couple months ago, he goes, oh yeah, Stacey
13:18told me to say all this stuff.
13:19Or he's, you know, last week was a nightmare and then he throws ABP out of the bus.
13:23It's like, you're playing so competitive and this is the big one here.
13:27You're playing so competitive and then there's eight minutes left.
13:32You're down two scores and you punt the football on what was fourth and six.
13:38And it's like, oh, was that the one late?
13:40Wasn't that fourth?
13:41And let me see.
13:42I got to go back and play.
13:43I want to say it was fourth and six cause it was right after may missed Henry on the
13:47out on the out.
13:48Yeah, no, you're right.
13:49It was fourth and five, fourth and five.
13:51And so it's, and it's like, you're down two scores.
13:53You can't stop a nosebleed defensively through the run game.
13:55Like you said, James Cook's going for five plus yards of pop or 10 yards of carry for
13:59the game.
14:00So you got to factor in those numbers up, but you got to factor in that.
14:02I also just realized I had, you know, ESPN will flip the way that they do their play
14:06by play.
14:07Yeah.
14:08During and after the game.
14:09I had it backwards cause I didn't realize they flipped it.
14:11So I'm sorry if I said something earlier that was supposed to be backwards.
14:14My bad.
14:15That's so wrong.
14:16Yeah, I know what you mean.
14:17It, when it's, when the game finishes, it goes from beginning to end instead of as,
14:20as it's going.
14:21But yeah, so no, but fourth and six, eight minutes left.
14:25And it's like, at that point in the game, you playing so well, you're everyone in, you
14:31know, across the league is talking about, wow, the Patriots are playing the bills competitive
14:34and they're keeping it tight.
14:35And could the bills lose here, blah, blah, blah.
14:37And then you surrender, you look at the surrender index that, you know, you tweeted, you have
14:41to go for that.
14:42That was a soft call.
14:43In my opinion, that this one, this was the one thing where it was like, he never gets
14:47away.
14:48Scott free.
14:49You play hard.
14:50You play tough.
14:51Things are turning your way.
14:52And then you punt at midfield and it was just so soft.
14:55And I was like, why, like, why not just go for it?
14:58This one really upset me.
14:59And I think this is, I saw someone tweet it.
15:01I don't know if I would go this far with it, but these are the decisions that are going
15:04to sit in the back of craft's head when they have to ultimately make a decision at the
15:08end of the season.
15:09Like I just, I hated it, Taylor.
15:11I thought it was awful.
15:12I thought it was soft.
15:13He talks about soft football players.
15:14I thought this was a soft coaching decision.
15:17And you know, I'm usually, I like to acknowledge that there are different philosophical approaches.
15:22Like as much as we want to get on Gerard Mayo and everyone else does.
15:25Bill Belichick was extremely conservative after Tom Brady left.
15:30We saw year after year after year.
15:32And I feel like people forgot that they were complaining about it all the time.
15:35We talked about like, why is the bill being aggressive?
15:37Does he not trust Mac?
15:38Does not trust the offense.
15:39What's going on?
15:40So I just want to acknowledge everyone says this is like a fireball offense.
15:44It's not anything they did today was so bad that you're saying, Oh God, you got to get
15:48them out of here.
15:49These are things where you can maybe add consultants, like, you know, whoever, if it's a different
15:54person than Evan Rothstein or whatever, like you can get advice and talk to other coaches
15:59and like change your philosophy, those things.
16:01I'm not going to bury them on a year one, but that said, I thought the decision to punt,
16:06I said, I think it was the worst punt decision they've made this season.
16:10And it turns out it was one of like the historically worst punting decisions made in like the past
16:14decade or two.
16:15That one I'm like, hell yeah.
16:17This doesn't make any sense because what's your justification?
16:19Oh, we're going to stop them.
16:20You know, maybe three and I'll get the ball back.
16:22You can't stop the run.
16:24If Buffalo, if Joe Brady called the game, I think the way they should have frankly,
16:28and just dare the Patriots to stop the run and just have no regard or respect for their
16:32defense in that area, the Patriots don't get the ball back with any time I think to double
16:37score.
16:38So right.
16:39We didn't get the logic there.
16:40It's like, you didn't show you could stop the run if they don't throw, what do you think
16:44is going to happen?
16:45And they're still going to milk time off the clock.
16:47So yeah, I agree.
16:48That was one of the worst coaching decisions I've seen from them in the game this season.
16:52Like I think by far, and then I think it was exacerbated by the fact that Alex had felt
16:56decided to run on the drive when they needed the score.
16:59Like sometimes I get it.
17:01If you literally just need like a third in one and you're trying to drive and you've
17:03got time, I don't really care.
17:05I think those are times where people get a little too upset about the run where sometimes
17:07you really can just catch a defense off guard.
17:09If they're playing like rushing really far up field and they're dropping, that's where
17:14I don't mind to draw a player or something to kind of get a chunk that you might not
17:17get as easily on a pass, but yeah, I did not like the way they handled the end of
17:21this game.
17:22The red zone stuff is kind of different because I think they were trying to punch it in and
17:25just like pop drops it.
17:27Like there's just things that kind of get in the way, but yeah, I did not like that
17:30end of half game management at all.
17:31Like Alex Van Pelt again, the bubble screen, some of the other stuff he can get better
17:35and they were bad, but I don't think they cost the game.
17:38I think not punting was one of the direct decisions that ultimately cost them and they
17:43got to get better with that.
17:44I really hope that this off season, Gerard Mayo takes a long, hard look in the mirror
17:48and fixes this because you say, oh, you want to make repeat mistakes.
17:52You don't want to, you want to learn what happens in other games.
17:56That's what Gerard said.
17:57Hey, we lost.
17:58We're going to learn from this game.
17:59Well, bro, like how are, maybe they haven't had this exact situation, but right.
18:03If it ever comes up again and they punt, then it's going to be doubly worse and maybe not
18:08fireable.
18:09Like I don't think single in game decisions outside of the playoffs or the playoff race
18:13should be the reason that you fire a coach necessarily.
18:16But if it does happen again, you're like, oof, my dude, you sound like a hypocrite making
18:20these same, same critical mistakes.
18:22And we've seen ones that were kind of similar that did cost them points.
18:26But again, this just feels like the most egregious, yeah, definitely egregious and something there
18:30again, it's not fireable.
18:32I don't mean it that way.
18:33And I know, you know, I, I know I more mean like from what I've seen in comments, that's
18:38kind of, that's what, and I know, I know that, you know, that I'm not saying that blah, blah,
18:41blah, blah, blah.
18:43It's like, it's, I don't think it's that, but I do think it's the ones where, when you
18:46bring everything together and all of the stuff that's happened, it's like not fire, but Hey,
18:53we need to fix this.
18:54How are you going to fix this for next season type of thing?
18:56So we have post game comments trickling in on Twitter.
18:59We'll get to some of those, uh, Drake may actually sit, this is, uh, transcribed from
19:04Brian Heinz from Drake Bay conversation about our coaching staff.
19:06I think it's some BS to be quite honest, coach Mayo.
19:09We got his back.
19:10He coaches us hard.
19:11He wants to win.
19:12We all want to win.
19:13So continues to say the right thing, better players than a couple more coaching staff
19:18additions.
19:19And I think they could be in good shape for next.
19:20Exactly.
19:21May continues to say the right things, continues to make the right place for the most part
19:25falls off a little bit in the second half.
19:26I think I'm going to get to some of my Drake may nitpicks.
19:29We'll talk about the defense.
19:30We'll talk about some of the clock management, game management, things of that nature, uh,
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21:10All right.
21:11Let's talk about Drake may a little bit more.
21:12We'll go a little bit more in depth.
21:13He comes out flying 22 or 26, 260 passing yards, the 31 Russian touchdowns.
21:19They start running the ball with them a little bit more zone reads, uh, QB sneaks, things
21:24of that nature.
21:25Uh, the interception a seventh in his last seven games, uh, maybe more, but he's thrown
21:31one in seven straight games.
21:33Uh, and I thought, again, he started really hot.
21:35The throw to case Sean booty down the sideline for the touchdown was awesome.
21:39Probably his best throw second best throw of his career.
21:41He's had a couple of those.
21:42Now he had the long one to booty in his first start.
21:45He had the one to Kendrick Warren last week, then he follows it up this week.
21:48Same thing.
21:49Booty touchdown.
21:50And he's got a real feel for that right sideline, man, throwing those, throwing those, uh, ones
21:54in the bucket down that sideline.
21:56So good stuff.
21:57He gets the Jags too, down the left sideline.
21:59It was from like a tighter.
22:00There was that one too.
22:01Yep.
22:02So he, he's got that feel he's, uh, clearly can, you know, throw in the snow or something.
22:08I don't, or the, at least the cold, something I don't think Mack Jones was really able to
22:11do.
22:12I thought that was one of my big knocks.
22:13That's me.
22:14Yeah.
22:15Sorry.
22:16No, they lost today.
22:17They lost.
22:18No, the Jaguar, the Raiders won and helped out the Patriots.
22:23So thank you, Mack Jones.
22:24Um, but again, may it looks good, but again, I thought Taylor, and this is me being super
22:30nitpicky.
22:31I'll just say my thoughts on may, and then I'll kick it to you to kind of go on your,
22:34your, uh, diatribe about them.
22:36But if he's second half, like I thought that he was up and down the clock management delay
22:42a game.
22:43Um, there was the other one where it was almost a delay game on that same drive down the stretch
22:47and they ended up getting the encroachment from the bill's defensive lineman, which worked
22:51out in their favor, but the play before they decided to punt on the, uh, the, with eight
22:5633 left, he sailed Hunter Henry out of the, out on the sideline.
23:01He just missed him.
23:02Thought that was a throw.
23:03He could have made.
23:04There was the one across the middle to booty where booty was open and may read it right.
23:07Put it in the right spot, but just threw it a little bit too short.
23:09He had the drop snap on that last drive, which again, they end up scoring.
23:14So it's okay, but it still takes another play off the drive, some more time off the clock.
23:18So I just thought there was some place to be made from Drake may in the second half.
23:22And my caveat on that is he's a rookie.
23:25So we already are starting to hold him to higher standards.
23:29At least I am because of how well he's played.
23:32So like, these are things I would nitpick from a five-year pro and guys, miss throws,
23:37guys, misplays, things like that.
23:38So overall I thought it was a great game for him, but also if he was a little bit more
23:42consistent in the second half, made a couple more plays.
23:44I think they would, might've, might've been even in a better spot than losing by three
23:48points.
23:49I don't think you're wrong.
23:50And I'm going to hold off like aggressive criticism of may until tomorrow where I can
23:53kind of see.
23:54He thought he scrambled too much early on.
23:56Didn't seem like that to me.
23:57But again, I was only seeing the broadcast angle.
23:59It did seem like his most streaky game accuracy wise, maybe since his first start, to be honest,
24:06it was the first time where I'm like, whoa, you're making like, you're missing some throws
24:09you typically make now to be fair.
24:11And I think also this was with the fumbled snap.
24:13I think it was just the weather because he said that he's not really used to playing
24:16in the cold, cold.
24:17He said the coldest is like the twenties or maybe in the teens.
24:21And when you look at honestly, all the top quarterback picks, all of them are from places
24:24that typically have good weather, USC, LSU, USC.
24:28So it's not like any of these quarterbacks are necessarily well-versed in cold weather
24:32games.
24:33I know may said that like there have been times in North Carolina where it can get cold.
24:36Yeah.
24:37I don't think it's Buffalo cold and it's going to be new England.
24:39It's not going to be new England cold either.
24:41So that's not something I want to absolve because you got to play in Foxborough.
24:45My dog, like if you're going to be playing playoff football, you got to get used to throwing
24:48in cold weather, but it was his first long sleeve game.
24:51So really not holding that against him too much.
24:52Outside of that.
24:53I was impressed, man.
24:54Yeah.
24:55He was still with the anticipation.
24:56It was tight ends.
24:57He was making the downfield throws.
24:58You saw the increased aggressiveness felt like he continued to take what the defense
25:02gave him.
25:03Really decision-making wise.
25:04I don't think I had a ton of glaring issues, like even the Hooper interception.
25:08I thought that maybe he forced that, but then looking at it again, based on the rep distribution,
25:12I'm like, all right.
25:13If Bourne doesn't run into him, I think Hooper ends up bodying the safe, even though he did
25:17kind of stare at Hooper.
25:18I don't think it really would have mattered because again, that's a big body.
25:21If the ball and the play is going how it's designed.
25:24So I liked Drake Mays performance, only four incompletions.
25:27And I feel like all four of those, you can remember in your head, like there's the one
25:31to booty over the middle that you're disappointed in.
25:33One of the incompletions was the one to DeMario Douglas.
25:36Like this is not a game where I'm going to nitpick Drake May, like the throat or remandary
25:40Stevenson.
25:41I saw somebody say it hit him in the head.
25:42It bounced off his hands, literally bounced off his hands.
25:45So that's not on Drake May.
25:47I think maybe he did fumble after a sec maybe, because I know he was credited with a fumble,
25:53but I didn't notice it live.
25:54But for the most part, I continue to be impressed with Drake May.
25:58I was hoping, and the reason you put this in prime time is because you want to see Drake
26:01May versus Josh Allen.
26:03What are two of the most big armed elusive quarterbacks in the NFL going to look like
26:06when they're going head to head?
26:08Obviously the turnover streak was damn brutal, but you still had Drake May going toe to toe
26:12with Josh Allen, obviously gets out to the strong start early.
26:15But then even when everything goes bad, you have the red zone drive that takes 13, 16
26:20plays or something like that.
26:21And he punches it in against all odds.
26:24Like that was what you wanted to see from this matchup.
26:26That was really cool, but it'll be a lot more fun when these games come up, if the Patriots
26:31are able to add some more talent.
26:32Because at the end of the day, with the run defense, I think that's the problem with the
26:36receivers.
26:37It's just like, get some more explosive players so you don't have to put together these 10
26:40play drives every single time you need a score.
26:43But yeah, overall, I was really impressed with what Drake May did today.
26:46I know he wasn't perfect, but there wasn't a whole lot that I'm saying.
26:49You know, at times I've been like, even for a rookie, like the sealer strip sack, I'm
26:52like my dog.
26:53No, no, no, no, no, no.
26:54That's not acceptable.
26:55I don't care how long you've been in the league, you can't be doing that.
26:58But everything else, I was like, yeah, no, this is another really good step for Drake
27:01May.
27:02So question on something we started to talk about before we even went live, and that was?
27:07Oh, actually, I'm sorry.
27:08One more thing about May.
27:09He did take a bad side on a scramble.
27:10He only lost a yard and converted on the next play, but that was probably the only
27:13other play where I was like, that was bad IQ.
27:15I'm sorry.
27:16No, you're good.
27:17I'm glad you said it.
27:18But as far as the fumble by Ramondre Stevenson that you mentioned, it hits him in the hands.
27:25Not the fumble.
27:26The one where it goes off his hands and into the end zone for a touchdown, where, May,
27:31you said somebody thought it hit him in the helmet.
27:33It didn't.
27:34It did hit him in the hands.
27:35I think you mentioned before the show about being a quarterback coaching point where make
27:40sure you're throwing the ball forward.
27:42Now I don't know if that's something in the Patriots system, but there could be something
27:47to be said where, yes, you, you call the playback there, which probably isn't smart in case
27:52the ball hits the ground.
27:54But also it's a swing pass.
27:56Either take your drop right to make sure Ramondre is going forward.
27:59So you don't even put yourself in that situation.
28:01Like, do you think that's a thing?
28:02Do you think I'm thinking too much into that?
28:04I feel like there should be something there where, yes, we're trying to get the ball to
28:08you in space really fast.
28:09So there, there's a chance it's a lateral, but at the end of the day, you still want
28:13to try and get that guy going forward.
28:14So if it does hit the ground, it is an incomplete pass and not a fumble.
28:18I don't think you're crazy for that, to be honest.
28:20I know coach chaos mentioned that may maybe could have just thrown it in the dirt once
28:25he saw that.
28:26I still think that would have been a very split second decision for him to make.
28:29So I don't want to put too much on them there, but we can definitely ask this week.
28:32I think that's a fair question.
28:33Was it supposed to be further in front so you don't risk the possibility of a fumble?
28:37Even though again, we had glaring mistakes from the blocking and from remandre, that
28:41obviously is the reason that the play didn't work.
28:43But yeah, I don't think that's a crazy point.
28:45And I would be very curious to hear what Drake, remandre or Alex, I felt that to say.
28:50I'm curious too, because I want to know if, again, if it's depending on the, the down
28:54and distance and where you are, like you, it could have been like putting blame more
29:00so on the play call where you don't want to do that because you're backed up, putting
29:04it on the execution from Drake, because don't throw the football there.
29:07Try and make sure you're throwing the ball forward or from remandre from just straight
29:11up dropping the football, knowing that it's a critical situation because it's going backwards
29:15and it could be a fumble in that situation.
29:17But again, overall stuff from Drake may it's nitpicky.
29:20But I do want to talk about that final drive you just mentioned, actually.
29:23And I do have the, the stats up here from Alex Barth tweeted it out where they go down
29:29there and they run nine plays and they finally get in the end zone, but they do so with a
29:34minute 13 left on the clock.
29:36They had the ball first and goal from the eight with two minutes and 26 seconds left.
29:44And they let an entire minute go by with nine plays and finally get in, in a minute 33 or
29:50with a minute 33 left.
29:51And so I do like your point that you just mentioned when we're talking about Drake may
29:56where there's fight, they don't give up backs against the wall type of deal where you miss
30:02a throw, pop drops, one pass interference.
30:06And it's like, you just keep going, you keep going and you finally get in.
30:08And it's like, okay, that's good stuff because some guys could wilter after that long and
30:13throw a pick turnover on downs, things of that nature, but no, they finally get themselves
30:17in the end zone.
30:18But whether it's coaching, whether it's a play calling, whether it's execution from
30:23your wide receivers, quarterback, offensive lineman, what have you, they took way too
30:28much time off the clock and didn't give them a chance to score, get the ball back and realistically
30:32give them a chance to win the game down the, at the end.
30:35And I'll say this, like, I'm looking at the plays.
30:38I was like, did they run?
30:39I couldn't, I felt like there was one mixed in and there was, it was a four yard loss
30:44where Gibson got, honestly, that was a crazy play from Jordan Phillips.
30:47First off, he shot himself out of a cannon and hit Antonio Gibson almost right as he
30:53got the ball.
30:54You can definitely debate the play call, but it was like first and goal from the four.
30:57They had run one in earlier.
30:59I don't despise it if you really think it's going to work, but every other play in the
31:03Reds only passed.
31:04So it's not like they were messing around and just not caring about the clock.
31:08I think a lot of it was just, they couldn't punch it in.
31:10And that's really the end of the day.
31:11Like you had the one, you had the pass interference calls.
31:14You have, it felt like there were a couple of times where they came really close to scoring
31:17a touchdown and didn't.
31:19So again, I'll go back and watch, but I just think that one was like, the bills were playing
31:23pretty good red zone defense and they made it really tough.
31:25And again, I think the time started inside the 10 yard line.
31:29It was their first play after the encroachment was inside the five.
31:33That's just insane.
31:34You never expect that you're going to waste an entire minute trying to punch it in from
31:38that one.
31:39So for now, I don't want to be too, you know, backing off the coaching staff, but that's
31:44one where I'm just like, Hey, they couldn't punch it in.
31:46And that's what happens.
31:47So, and I think they were all in completions too, complete and complete and complete.
31:51Yeah.
31:52They were just the only completion before the touchdown was the one to DeMario Douglas
31:56and that one was obviously overturned.
31:57So yeah, I'm not, I'm not terribly upset with that.
32:00I'm more upset with them deciding to punt and putting themselves in a position where
32:04they had to score faster.
32:05Yep.
32:06All right.
32:07We'll finish up Drake May with this.
32:08I want to pull up Drake's answer when I mentioned that with him calling the calls for his coaching
32:15staff BS.
32:16I want to pull that up from Twitter.
32:17So I want to kind of actually listen to it.
32:19Everybody has to say, so let's take a listen.
32:21Okay.
32:22If it'll work.
32:23Stuff like that.
32:24I think it's, you know, some BS to be quite honest, you know, coach Mayo, those guys,
32:28coach Mayo's, you know, we got, like I said, we got his back and this coach is hard.
32:31He wants to win.
32:32We all want to win.
32:33You know, we're all frustrated.
32:34Maybe he's been, you know, like I've been calling great past, past weeks or just plays
32:39away.
32:40And it's just been me turning the ball over.
32:42I think it's just a testament to these guys that keep fighting, we'll keep fighting.
32:45We're not going to make the playoffs for, we're out of the race and these guys are coming
32:48in and I'm the frustrated when we don't score and they're, they got energy of practice and
32:52they got energy coming to the game and we want to win.
32:54There's guys not even playing that are yelling on the sidelines and wanting to win.
32:58So it's, I think we're building something good, building something that's, that feels
33:02right here.
33:03And you know, I'm proud to be proud to be Patriot.
33:08So I like the answer and it feels genuine to me.
33:13I feel like he's actually behind them where there are times where guys are, you know,
33:18quarterback speak, we'll say the right thing and they have to stand behind their coach
33:21and yada, yada, yada.
33:22But that feels like this whole losing the locker room aspect of this entire job security
33:28situation that we've talked about.
33:30He still has yet to lose the locker room.
33:32I think his answer proves it, but I also think the way they came out today proves it in general.
33:35So I like the answer.
33:36And again, I don't, I don't see them moving on right now.
33:39I agree.
33:40I don't think so either.
33:41I certainly do believe that everyone's behind Gerard Mayo, but I just actually tweeted it
33:44from a quitting Brian's a quote of it saying he thinks it's BS.
33:49Understand that Drake may was known for his loyalty coming out of college.
33:52He stayed at UNC, had a ton of offers coming out.
33:55He could have gone anywhere.
33:56His NIL offers were like through the roof.
33:59I know that there was a story about how when he got his NIL deal at UNC, he said he wouldn't
34:04accept it unless his offensive lineman could also benefit.
34:07You are never going to hear Drake may throw anybody under the bus.
34:11I just want to make that very clear when he said BS, like, I think he was actually pissed
34:14off.
34:15I really, I don't think that was him just saying it.
34:16I think he really is annoyed by the fact that Gerard Mayo and Alex Van Pelt, we can have
34:21our perceptions on the outside.
34:22I think they do a very good job of handling the players on a person to person level.
34:27The actual coaching obviously needs to improve and that is the most important part.
34:30But I don't think we're going to see anybody in this locker room, start talking shit about
34:33their coaches.
34:34Cause I really do think they have a lot of respect and reverence for them.
34:36Hunter Henry said so many times, I think he said today as well.
34:39I love playing for Gerard.
34:40I love playing for AVP.
34:41So that's what that is.
34:42Again, I don't think they're being disingenuous.
34:44I think this locker room was fully behind them, but like, you ain't going to hear Drake
34:47may be like, yeah, you know, Mayo's fine, blah, blah, blah.
34:50Like, no, he is going to defend that man unless he steps away out of line, which, you know,
34:55Mayo can put his foot in his mouth, but I think person to person level, he does very
34:58well.
34:59Yep.
35:00I'm with you.
35:01All right.
35:02We're going to talk about the defense.
35:03We'll talk about, or we'll wrap up some of these other coaching questions.
35:04We will also talk about the Patriots having the number two overall pick as things stand
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36:35All right.
36:36It's also time to talk about the Patriots defense.
36:37We focus a lot on the offense, rightfully so.
36:40You got Drake May.
36:41You got some, uh, coaching issues, some coaching questions, some coaching decision questions,
36:44but the defense is another thing, uh, here with the Patriots.
36:48So, uh, I just want to put the score up.
36:51There we go.
36:52Good news.
36:53They hold the bills under 30 points for the first time since October.
36:56They only scored 24 points, which I didn't think was possible.
36:59Again, I was going through to find that number prediction.
37:02What was it?
37:0338 to 20, 38 to 17, 38, 20.
37:08I thought they were going to get past 20 points.
37:09I thought they were going to get, I thought they were going to score like two touchdowns
37:12and kick a bunch of field goals.
37:13I think I had 20.
37:14So I was close.
37:15Okay.
37:16Not bad.
37:17But, uh, yeah, the bill score under 30.
37:18Um, Marte Mapu looks pretty good running around now.
37:21We had that crazy gaff in the end zone where it's like, dude, just go down.
37:24That was tough stuff, but, uh, they run the long one.
37:27It was such an on-brand Marte Mapu game.
37:29We'll talk about it more, but it was so on brand.
37:31It was tough.
37:32Yeah.
37:33It really was.
37:34Uh, they put out the long horn package there.
37:36Brendan schoolers playing a little spy there.
37:38Jonathan Jones looks pretty good in the end zone.
37:40Christian Gonzalez does his thing.
37:41There was no, you didn't hear about Christian Gonzalez at all today.
37:43And that's always a good thing for the top cornerbacks, but they get gashed on the ground.
37:48Patriots run defense still cannot keep up.
37:51Here are the numbers as, uh, as they were, the bills ran for 172 yards on 28 carries
37:59a Russian touchdown from James cook 6.1 average yards per attempt from the four rushers, James
38:05cook, the long one, a hundred yards, 11 carries 9.1 yards per attempt.
38:11And he had the long of 46 that went for a score.
38:13So wrap it all up, putting a bow on it.
38:16What's up with the defense.
38:17What happened?
38:18What are your thoughts on that side of the football from today?
38:20I was so impressed with the coverage, man.
38:22So impressed.
38:23I didn't feel like we talked about, you're probably not keeping Josh Allen in the pocket
38:26the whole game.
38:27I feel like there's too much to ask of really any defensive front, but especially one that's
38:30this under man.
38:31Um, and when he did get out, I thought, you know, we have like one scramble.
38:35If he had one throw for a conversion where Mop who looked like he may have come off his
38:39receiver when he probably shouldn't have just stayed in coverage and said he tried to get
38:42after Josh Allen.
38:43What coverage?
38:44Like you talked about it, Marty Mop.
38:45It was frustrating when he brought it out, obviously, because it feels like sometimes
38:49in then again, with the scramble conversion, sometimes it feels like his awareness just
38:53is not there.
38:54But then I've been talking about it.
38:55I think he's a playmaker and he makes some mistakes, but I'm like, yeah, but you still
38:58see him get his hand on a ball at least once a game.
39:00It feels like there's some play where you're like, damn, see what Marty Mop we just did.
39:05And we got it.
39:06We got a pass.
39:07We got, I think two pass breakups because one was a drop pick.
39:09You have the interception, which again, more of an arm punt.
39:12I got to see again how bad of a decision it was from Josh Allen, but he still gets it.
39:16He forces a fumble that doesn't get recovered.
39:17Yeah.
39:18Jonathan Jones also forces a fumble has that pass breakup in the end zone.
39:22Like Marty, our Christian Ellis even showed really good discipline, not just running into
39:26the running back when Josh Allen tried to throw in his helmet, same thing that Drake
39:29tried to do earlier and it worked.
39:30Ellis, you could see him kind of pull up and put his hands up so he didn't just run into
39:34the guy.
39:35I thought that was really impressive.
39:36So I want to give those guys their flowers.
39:38That was something I knew would be difficult.
39:40I thought the Patriots had the edge in terms of receiving core versus coverage.
39:43Like I talked about Marty Mop, who I thought he could cover Dawson Knox and I always get
39:48them confused.
39:49I thought he could cover both because last season he did pretty well and I thought we
39:55saw that again today.
39:57Now the pass rush, I don't even want to give them a lot of crap.
40:00I thought Jeremiah Farms actually did flash today.
40:03Quiet day for Keon White.
40:04I think that may have had something to do with them giving them extra attention.
40:06We'll have to check.
40:07He did get out of the pocket though at times Josh Allen didn't love that, but my beef was
40:12with the run defense and I kind of already went into it so I don't want to beat a dead
40:15horse or anything.
40:16Nah, do it.
40:18I mean, on the long run, the defensive line gets pushed back.
40:20Both the linebackers get blocked.
40:22Kyle Duggar is the only one who's free to make the tackle.
40:24He has a chance to bring James Cook down.
40:27Doesn't do it.
40:28Cooks off to the races.
40:29Literally what we talked about pregame, right?
40:30I said, if you leave a big hole, he's going to house that thing for 60 yards and how long
40:35was the wrong?
40:36Was it 50 something?
40:37Forty something.
40:38Forty six.
40:39I think.
40:40Yeah.
40:41So I'm sorry.
40:42I overshot it by 14 yards, but that was literally because he did it against Detroit and I'm like,
40:45oh my God, I can completely see that happening against the Patriots.
40:47I think it was on almost the exact same play.
40:50So that's disappointing, but I just.
40:53It feels like Devon Dachau and Anthony Jennings have to do a lot of run defense on their own.
40:59So it feels like when they mess up, it just ends up being a catastrophe.
41:02Now, I don't think Jennings was bad in this game.
41:04I think he may have given up the edge a couple of times, but I don't think he was really
41:07someone they necessarily have like a target on his back, but it just is hard to watch
41:11a Patriots run defense get run on like this.
41:13And I will also say, I know people always want to go to coaching and part of it is because
41:17it looks like poor fundamentals, but I also think back to 2019.
41:22That was the last time the run defense really sucked.
41:25They weren't great in 2020.
41:26It was like 2021.
41:27They really started to get better when they got gotcha on all that.
41:29But I remember 2019, I think it was because Bentley and I think Hightower, I think both
41:35got hurt.
41:36So Terrace Hall had to play a ton and they couldn't stop the run.
41:39And it was just like, you're not used to seeing this.
41:40But at some point when you have so many injuries, like Peppers didn't play today, that's another
41:45impact player against the run.
41:46Like Duggar, as we know, is basically on one ankle, like this is not easy.
41:51You need a team effort for run defense because it literally takes one person screwing up
41:55for everything to collapse or for one person to look like they did their job even worse.
42:00So again, that was the big reason I think this defense had trouble because I think the
42:04pass coverage for the most part was excellent.
42:06Josh Allen is an MVP candidate.
42:08He had a 67.3 passer rating, obviously got hurt, he got sacked and looked like he landed
42:12on his hand.
42:13Even before the injury, they were doing a really good job on the back end for the vast
42:17majority of the game.
42:18So kudos to the coverage, but that run defense man is tough to watch.
42:22I don't see how it gets better against the Chargers because they have an even better
42:25offensive line.
42:26I think in a lot of spots, they're not going to give you that free pass.
42:30If they can get three yards of pop on you, they're damn well going to do it.
42:34Unless the Patriots get out to a fast lead and force the Chargers to throw on them.
42:38Even today, you saw the Bills could have run the ball more.
42:40They were down 14-0.
42:41They should have run the ball more, like you said.
42:44They could have made the run.
42:45It was a bizarre kind of tactic they used, but it was what it was.
42:48So that's very discouraging, but at least you know the back end is going to do what
42:51they have to do and you didn't have any big breakdowns, I think, in the coverage.
42:56So that was a plus that you got to give them credit for.
42:58Yeah.
42:59All right.
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45:06But let's talk about the silver lining of this game, Taylor.
45:10You mentioned it.
45:11You tweeted it after I tweeted out the tankathon standings.
45:13The Patriots own the second overall pick in the NFL draft if the season ended right now.
45:18So I know that you don't want to wish for losing.
45:22You don't want to wish for tanking.
45:23But I think the way today's game went is exactly how you want it to happen the rest
45:28of the season where we come on this show.
45:30We tell Drake May there's a couple of mistakes.
45:33Mayo wasn't throwing anyone under the bus, at least not yet.
45:37And it's just kind of like, you know what, we're right there.
45:39We just need a little bit more coaching help that we can get this offseason and we can
45:42get a little bit more talent this offseason and having the second overall pick helps that
45:47cause.
45:48So thoughts here.
45:49And I guess I'll ask you to, this is more of a mailbag question and not really a Patriots
45:53postgame center question, but if they do have the second overall pick, that's also
45:56going to help them out with a potential trade back where if you're sitting at number three,
46:00in my opinion, I want Travis Hunter, but if you can get a lot more with the number two
46:05pick, because then there's other quarterback needy teams that are going to want to jump
46:08up and kind of get in there.
46:10You talk about the Raiders who won today might be looking for a guy like Shadur Sanders or
46:13Cam Ward.
46:14So you might put yourself in a decent position if you can stay at the number two overall
46:17pick.
46:20I want the trade down.
46:21I think the number one overall pick would be the best because then that gives you the
46:24most capital, obviously to move around.
46:27I go back and forth on what I want them to pick every day.
46:29I swear.
46:30Cause especially I was listening to bootleg football podcasts with Brett Coleman and EJ
46:35Snyder, two very good friends of the show.
46:38They do excellent work.
46:39And when they say something, I listen for one, they pointed out something that we kind
46:43of like touched around, but didn't directly hit on this where Travis Hunter were to get
46:47hurt.
46:48You essentially lose two players because you lose your big play offensive threat and then
46:52you lose your starting corner and his size is a concern.
46:56Like the frame is a concern.
46:57You cannot deny that a corner under 190 pounds is not worrisome, a receiver or a corner,
47:02but especially I think I'm a cornerback.
47:04So that kind of concerns me.
47:07Also it talks about Kelvin Banks, Jr.
47:10Brett Coleman said that last year he would have been the best tackle, not named Joel.
47:15So I'm saying, man, and I liked Ted, but I've been watching Ted and I think he still got
47:19some areas he needs to improve in his game.
47:20I think he'd be a starter, but I think he would have some like pretty significant growing
47:23pain still, especially if you try to make him your guy against man coverage.
47:27Kelvin Banks is the kind of guy where I think one, you can get more capital.
47:30Obviously I don't think he's going to go in the top five, probably on the back end of
47:33the top 10, but that's the kind of guy where you plug him in.
47:36You can play him from day one.
47:38He's only 20 years old right now.
47:40I think he's got a fiance and like a kid on the way.
47:42Like he's super mature, very refined as a pass protector.
47:46His issue is more than he can't sustain run blocks consistently, but hopefully Scott Peters
47:50can help him with that.
47:51So I'm thinking if you can get that second pick, first pick, whatever, I'm praying that
47:55they can trade back, get some more capital, get your left tackle that you don't have to
48:00think about for the rest of Drake Mays tenure, ideally.
48:03That's kind of what I'm thinking.
48:05So that's my thoughts on that.
48:06But also one thing I just realized, we haven't even heard a peep about Gerard Mayo's press
48:09conference.
48:10No.
48:11We're learning.
48:12That's a step forward in my book.
48:16I'm not overlooking that.
48:17I'm giving him his credit because he shouldn't have been putting his foot in his mouth anyway,
48:20but that's sign of growth.
48:22That's a sign of learning from your mistakes.
48:24So I want to give Gerard a little bit of credit there.
48:27It is.
48:28I think the only thing, the only questionable one was the answer to the punt where he said
48:32it's a field position game, but it's not even a, it's not a questionable answer.
48:36That's just, that was his answer.
48:37It was a bad decision.
48:39That was why you did it.
48:40Sorry.
48:41I'm living with it.
48:42It's not like he brought up a past Superbowl run that he didn't coach him or throw his
48:48offensive coordinator completely under the bus for basically no reason.
48:51So I still, I still think that, I don't know why he said it, but I really don't think that
48:56was his intention just because it would be so out of left.
48:59I wouldn't say out of left field because he kind of did that last year with the offense.
49:03Damn.
49:04I still don't think, I still don't really think he meant to throw ABP under the bus.
49:10But I think what he said was still dumb.
49:12I think both can be true.
49:13He was not intentionally throwing ABP under the bus, but he said something stupid where
49:16it was very easy to misinterpret or whatever.
49:19I don't know if he was in intentionally or his intent was to throw him under the bus
49:25directly the way it came off.
49:27But I do think his answer was, yeah, I probably would have ran, you know, snuck it with him
49:32to where, and then it just comes off as you said it.
49:35I didn't like, but I don't think he was like aiming towards, again, this is a week old
49:40that we don't need to hash this out now that, but I get what you're saying.
49:44And what was the deciding factor where Drake now has like three or four design runs after
49:49game just said he didn't want him to get hurt.
49:51Like I'm just curious, like, all right, then what was the, I would, I would have been cool
49:54if he'd never done a design run all season.
49:56If that was your mentality.
49:57I'm like, yeah, I said the same thing when people got mad that if he gets hurt on a freak
50:00accident because of a design run, people are going to be pissed and they have every reason
50:04to be pissed.
50:05And there's no way of explaining it away because it was a relatively meaningless game because
50:08you're not going to go to the playoffs and you may have gotten him hurt.
50:10And obviously that would carry into maybe the next season.
50:13But he did it today multiple times.
50:15So I don't, I'm very curious on it.
50:18Reverse psychology.
50:19AVP knows they're listening to press conferences up there.
50:22We're never running Drake.
50:23We're not running Drake.
50:24So then when it does come down to the third, fourth down fourth and one, you do sneak them,
50:28you sneak them out of the end zone and you get pinned down by the, the, the dumb play
50:32by Mapo in the end zone.
50:34I don't think they would have ran a play like that last week, but they did it with May today.
50:39And then like you said, a couple of zone reads here and there, short yardage down on the
50:42goal line.
50:43They're not expecting it because literally three days ago, you just went up on a press
50:46conference and said, yeah, I'm not running him for the rest of the season basically.
50:50So maybe a little verse psychology from AVP, maybe he just, uh, is in too deep in the press
50:55conferences, like I said, coach as well, but regardless, so I apologize, Alex, I was not
51:00familiar with your game.
51:01Exactly.
51:02So, all right.
51:03I think that's it here for Patriots post game.
51:06Do you have any other wrap up thoughts before we get out of here again, they lose 24, 21,
51:11they compete against the best team in the AFC East after a disaster last week where
51:16post by they come out absolute nightmare fuel in Arizona, and then they go on a second game
51:22on the road and they actually compete.
51:23So that's the long and short of it.
51:25There's obviously things to nitpick, Drake made ups and downs and things of that nature,
51:29some bad decisions.
51:30My, my thought is overall drawed Mayo did took a step forward, I think in keeping his
51:36job because he actually had them ready to play in a game.
51:39Yeah.
51:40I'll go the same way.
51:41I think maybe my last thought would be on Jalen Polk and Jayvon Baker.
51:44I saw their names in the chat.
51:45It kind of reminded me of the tweet I sent off earlier today.
51:48I understand.
51:49And we've talked about this, I'd be like every week, but it was kind of another example where
51:52Drake throws a Jayvon Baker.
51:53They look like they're not on the same page at all.
51:56I know we want to see these young guys out there and obviously learning and live bullets
52:00is the only way you can gain like actual experience.
52:02I get that.
52:03But you also need to consider the fact you have other mouths to feed who have earned
52:06the opportunities to be targeted.
52:09And you also want your quarterback to throw to people he's comfortable with.
52:12He has not looked comfortable to throwing to Jalen Polk or Jayvon Baker, like at all
52:17during the regular season.
52:19So just for anybody who's like, Oh, why don't they play the kids more?
52:21Da da da da.
52:22Why just Jayvon Baker?
52:23Screw it.
52:24Let him play.
52:25You can say that, but then it turns, then you basically are giving up a play because
52:29it's two players that aren't on the same page.
52:31And I would be very curious to know what goes on in practice because it sounds like they're
52:34doing well and it just doesn't translate to games.
52:37But when we talk about incorporating these young players, like there has to be some,
52:42like you got to pull the plug at some point if it's just hurting the rest of your team,
52:45because it's not fair to the guys that are out there.
52:47Every player, most plays who are doing their job for you to take them off the field for
52:50somebody who can't do theirs when they're out there.
52:53So that's maybe like my last thing.
52:55I can't think of anything else that we didn't cover.
52:57All right.
52:58I want to throw this up.
52:59Do you agree with this?
53:00Our friend John Zanis just tweeted this.
53:02Drake May was the reason they lost today.
53:04No.
53:05How was he the reason they lost?
53:07I don't know.
53:08I'm curious.
53:09I wish John was on postgame.
53:10I want to know why he thinks this, but.
53:11I'm glad he's not because I think I would end up having a headache again from getting
53:15too loud.
53:16We love John.
53:17We love John.
53:18So let me think.
53:19I don't know how you throw four incompletions and you're the reason the team lost.
53:22I'm sorry.
53:23So I guess like from the nitpicks I had of Drake May.
53:26I'm sorry.
53:28Yeah, I'm sorry.
53:29I still don't think the nitpicks that I gave of May's game today, which was the drop snap,
53:34the sale to Hunter Henry on third and six, the interception and some clock management
53:38stuff that I was worried about.
53:40I still don't think those are the reasons they lost the game.
53:43And even the third down to Hunter, I think he got contacted at the top and there was
53:47pressure from the right.
53:48So I think he was just trying to like get the ball out and be like, Hey, either he's
53:51going to catch it or no one will.
53:53That one didn't felt a little like it was not because usually they're automatic on those.
53:57And I think that had a part to do with it.
53:58Yeah.
53:59I don't see how there's three turnovers one.
54:01You could maybe kind of put on Drake, but that was still an inexcusable screw up from
54:05two other players.
54:07And then the defense not being able to get the bills off the ball towards the end coaching
54:11decisions.
54:12Like, I'm sorry.
54:13I don't know what Drake may could have possibly done that takes, puts him over like Ramondre
54:17Stevenson.
54:18Right.
54:19I think Ramondre, if you're going to put it on one player, if you really want to concentrate
54:21it, how was it not Ramondre?
54:23Unfortunately.
54:24I don't know.
54:26I don't know.
54:27We'll have to ask John about it.
54:28We'll text him once we get off the show and tell him, explain yourself, state your source.
54:31We'll, we'll see what happens there, but all right, well, that's it for us here on Patriots
54:34post game.
54:35It was a, in the end, disappointing to lose by three, but they helped their draft status
54:42with a loss and a, a Raiders win today.
54:46Drake may looks pretty good.
54:47Some stuff to improve on draw Mayo makes couple interesting coaching decisions, but at the
54:52end of the day, it doesn't put his foot in his mouth and add the guys ready to play.
54:56And in the end, you're still three and 12.
54:57You're still building towards something.
54:58You still have a quarterback and you get one day closer to getting your defense back, healthy
55:03Christian Barmore back, healthy, Jawan Bentley back, hopefully with Christian Barmore, Jawan
55:08Bentley, Jabril peppers, all those guys next season and kind of can go into that.
55:12So three and 12, not a ton good to pull out of it, but not the nightmare that was last
55:17week.
55:18So we will continue on in the 2024 season here on paps, daily paps, post game and Patriots
55:22press pass and see where Drake and company continue to take us.
55:26So we will be back tomorrow with another episode of Patriots daily.
55:30So make sure you rate review, subscribe to this channel where we will break it down even
55:33further.
55:34Taylor's going to dive into the film and we will take a look at what actually happened
55:38in this Patriots loss to the bill.
55:40So Taylor, any last thoughts before we get out of here one more time, hopefully they
55:45keep growing, just good answer, competitive game against LA.
55:49Let's do it.
55:50Love it.
55:52We'll see you tomorrow.
55:53Thanks for watching.
55:54Take care of yourselves.
55:55Take care of each other and we will see you all next time.
55:56Again, thanks for watching.
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55:58Peace out.
55:59Everyone will see you soon.