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In this next episode of the proposed Japanese tank tech tree series, we look at the heavy tanks that could be included in a Japanese tank tech tree.  Tanks in this episode⬇️ Introduction: 00:00 Type 91 heavy tank: 00:42 Type 95 heavy tank (added in update 1.67 “Assault”): 03:05 100 ton heavy tank: 06:09 O-I 120 ton: 10:49 Conclusion: 13:26  Proposed Japanese Tank Tech Tree⬇️ Japanese Light Tanks: https://youtu.be/a4La6cIj3U8 Japanese Medium Tanks (Part 1): https://youtu.be/6ZT_JiN0lFY Japanese Medium Tanks (Part 2): https://youtu.be/EQn_A3aWh8I Japanese Heavy Tanks: https://youtu.be/QhMx05tIZC4 Japanese Amphibious Tanks: https://youtu.be/4_paUh-5U30 Japanese Tank Destroyers & Assault Guns: https://youtu.be/w0Xxw9F-xyk Japanese SPAA: https://youtu.be/Oo0tpdRt9_k Japanese Premium Tanks: https://youtu.be/OxPzgNZo1wI   Information and picture citations/sources⬇️ New Vanguard. Japanese tanks: 1939-45 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_95_Heavy_Tank www.weaponsofwwii.com/forum/isotopic.php?t=31730  For The Record article⬇️ http://ftr.wot-news.com/2013/11/19/superheavy-japanese-tanks/  Social Media ⬇️ Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/toreno.bsky.social Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/Toreno4 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/toreno170 Mastodon: Toreno17@mastodon.social Threads: https://www.threads.net/@toreno170 Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/Toreno17 Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/toreno5/videos   Game: War Thunder  ⬅️  #warthunder #japan #japanesenavy #tank #ija #heavytank #tanks #toreno

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00:00Hello everybody, and welcome back to my proposed future Japanese tank tech tree series.

00:05Now in today's episode we're actually looking at the heavy tanks, something Japan didn't

00:09actually have an awful lot of.

00:12They did build a few heavy tanks as prototypes and experiments, but they generally didn't

00:16deal with heavy tanks.

00:17And as you can see, two of them are underlined and bolded, which means basically I'm not

00:21sure if they could be added, if there's enough documents, that sort of stuff.

00:27But I'll try and give a good description of the various tanks as best I can, hopefully

00:33they will be added into the game if Gaijin can find enough information, but just a short

00:39intro today, so let's get straight into the episode.

00:42Now the first tank we're looking at is the Type 91 Heavy Tank.

00:46Now this is a continuation of the design from the Experimental Tank No. 1, which was Japan's

00:50first tank design, and was a very successful one, considering it was a first design.

00:56The only problem was it was a bit too heavy, coming in at about 18 tonnes.

01:01The decision was taken to continue this design, and they came up with the Type 91 Heavy Tank.

01:07Now it was armed with one Type 90 57mm tank gun, the same one used on the Type 89.

01:13It also had a 6.5mm machine gun in the turret, but also two 6.5mm machine guns in their own

01:19separate turrets, so a multi-turret tank, although only one tank gun.

01:24The armour was actually quite thin for its design for a heavy tank, 20mm on the turret

01:31front, a superstructure front and suspension front, and only 17mm on the side, and you

01:37know, you can see it's not very sloped on the side, so you know, it wasn't particularly

01:42great armour-wise.

01:45Its top speed on the roads was about 16mph, 15mph, so not the slowest tank in the world,

01:51but it was pretty slow.

01:53Lastly, it had a crew of five.

01:55Now I don't know where the crew went, but I guess I'd say the driver, the two machine

01:59gunners for the separate turrets, and then probably two people in the actual main gun

02:05turret, the commander and the gunner, or commander and the loader, possibly, it was possible

02:10the fifth person is a radio operator or something, couldn't really find many details on that

02:15unfortunately.

02:17Now for its place on the tech tree, I've put the Type 91 quite low down in tier 1.

02:22For one very simple reason, it has very thin armour, it has an okay gun, if you use HEAT,

02:29the Type 90 has a penetration of about 55mm, but it has a low velocity gun, so you're going

02:35to have to get pretty damn close to your target, and you know, it's 20mm of armour, it's quite

02:41bad, I mean, I think the T26 is 15mm of armour, and that's a light tank, the light tank almost

02:48has as much armour as the heavy tank, so personally I think it should be very low down

02:53in tier 1, not too low with the reserve tanks, but it shouldn't be facing much past tier

02:592, about rating 2.3 or so, otherwise it's just going to get slaughtered by everything

03:04it meets.

03:05Now the next tank after the Type 91 heavy tank is the Type 95 heavy tank.

03:10Basically the decision was taken to continue the design even further after the Type 91,

03:15and the Type 95 is a massive improvement.

03:19For one it has a Type 94 70mm tank gun.

03:23Now again the sources seem to disagree on how good this gun was, some say it had ridiculously

03:29low penetration even at close range, others are saying 25mm at 1000m with AP, or 90mm

03:37if it gets the HEAT round, so you know, with the HEAT round it would be very effective.

03:42It was also armed with the Type 94 37mm gun, you can probably see it in the front of the

03:47tank.

03:48Now this, if reading my book by Zaloga is correct, should have a penetration of about

03:5440mm at 500m, so again, a pretty effective gun.

03:59It also had a 6.5mm machine gun in the main turret, presumably coaxial, but it also had

04:04another machine gun in the turret on the back of the turret.

04:08The armour of the Type 95 was also much improved, between 12 and 13mm of armour, mostly focused

04:14on the turret front and superstructure front, but the sides and rears also had about 25mm,

04:19so quite thick armour for this, compared to the last tank.

04:24Unfortunately this came at a bit of a price, speed was reduced to about 13mph down from

04:30about 14-15, so not too much slower, but still, in the lower tiers, when you're surrounded

04:36by lots of very fast tanks, that could be a bit of a problem getting to the objectives,

04:41you know, being outflanked, that sort of thing.

04:44Again the crew seems to have been about 5, again I don't know where the crew were, but

04:49I'm going to assume driver, the person for the 37mm turret, maybe a loader for the 37mm

04:57turret, and then presumably something similar with the main turret, commander plus loader

05:02or commander plus gunner, something like that.

05:05Now I've been a bit conflicted where to put this tank on the tech tree and battle rating

05:09wise, on the one hand it has a very good gun, possibly 90mm penetration with high explosive

05:16anti-tank, on the downside, despite much better armour, it's still pretty thin compared to

05:22pretty much every other tank, and it's ridiculously slow, so it's hard to know where to put it

05:29battle rating wise, definitely tier 1, but possibly tier 2, or a bit lower than that,

05:41it's really hard to know where to put it, but it needs to be in tier 1, and pretty low

05:45in tier 1, but not, a bit higher than the Type 91 obviously, maybe even 2.7 or something,

05:52you know, the same as the Grant, so it'd be able to use it's gun to good effect, but then

05:57it'd be easily destroyed, maybe battle rating of 2, that's where I'd put it for the moment,

06:03but again, you know, it really does depend on how you look at it I suppose, where it

06:07should go.

06:09Now the next tanks, the 100 tonne and 120 tonne OI heavy tanks, I can't actually show

06:14you any pictures of, because there basically are no pictures, so you'll have to just sort

06:19of ignore the repeating pictures unfortunately, but basically after the Type 95 the Japanese

06:26stopped building heavy tanks, they were just too cumbersome, too expensive, they just didn't

06:30need them, they had light and medium tanks that could do the job just as well, if not

06:35better and, you know, for half the cost.

06:38But this was in 1934, 5 years later in 1939 the Japanese got involved in border disputes

06:44with the Soviet Union.

06:46Now the Japanese tanks didn't do particularly well in this fighting, from what I can understand

06:50reading Saloga's book, and basically this spurred Japan to sort of up their game with

06:55regards to tank development.

06:58One of their developments was the 47mm gun, which we've looked at before, but another

07:02one was looking again at heavy tanks, such as the 100 tonne heavy tank.

07:08Now other than this there isn't actually much information about the 100 tonne tank.

07:11The only website that seemed to deal with any information on it was the For the Record

07:16blog, which was a blog affiliated with World of Tanks, you know, the author was quite connected

07:24to some of the people there, I'll link to the blog, but they basically collected lots

07:29of all the sources to do with the 100 tonne tank, and long story short it was a pretty

07:35damn heavy tank, a pretty big tank, and it failed mobility testing, it was sort of left

07:40to rot, it was scrapped, basically it just didn't pass any of the testing.

07:46But like I say it was massive, I mean it had internal corridors inside the tank, there's

07:52a few disagreements on what it looked like exactly, and like I say there's nothing left

07:56of it, there's a tank track that was apparently from the 100 tonne tank, I'll leave a link

08:03to that as well, but other than that we don't really know any information about it.

08:09We know it had a 105mm cannon, which this is in 1940 so that's a pretty big cannon.

08:15Now looking on various websites I couldn't find any penetration characteristics for the

08:19gun, there was only one website that mentioned it, and it mentioned 150mm of penetration

08:26at 100m, which puts it about on par with the M26 Pershing, the SU-100 and the Panther D.

08:35Now there's some disagreements on the armour, some sources say it was 75mm on the front,

08:4135mm on the side, the For The Record blog mentions it being 150mm on the front and 70mm

08:46on the side.

08:48If we go with the larger armour thickness, this puts it about on par with the Tiger II,

08:53the T-44 and the Sherman Jumbo, all 1944 designs, remember this was 1940, this Japanese tank.

09:02If we go with the smaller armour thickness, this puts it about on par with the KV-1, the

09:06Sherman Jumbo again, or the Panzer IV G.

09:10Now speed was apparently about the same as the Type 91, so about 15-16mph, which for

09:16a 100 tonne tank is pretty good if you ask me.

09:21Now apparently the crew numbered about 11, which kind of surprised me because apparently

09:25it only had the 105mm gun and one machine gun, so I don't know what they were all doing,

09:32you know, a gunner, loader, commander, driver, I don't know, machine gunner, and the rest

09:38must be radio operator or looking at the engine?

09:42Apparently it was actually easy to get around the interior of the tank and there were even

09:45paths throughout the vehicle, quoting from For the Record, and the driver's compartment,

09:49central fighting compartment and engine room were separated by 16mm thick walls, so you

09:55know, pretty good interior armour as well.

09:58So where would this go on the tech tree, if it was even included in the tech tree, because

10:02remember there isn't that much information about it, I've put it about tier 3 on the

10:07account of its massive gun and potentially thick armour, it depends really on what armour

10:12it uses, if it has the thicker armour, definitely tier 3, or actually even with the thinner

10:16armour tier 3, depending on how thick the armour is, it could be high tier 3 or low

10:22tier 3, battle rating wise, probably, I don't know, the same as the M6A1, maybe a bit higher,

10:31so probably the same as the Jumbo Sherman, about 5.3, maybe 5.7, it's a bit hard to really

10:38guess where it could go really, but I think it would be a good addition, if Gaijin find

10:44the documents on it, I think it would be an interesting tank to say the least.

10:49Now if there isn't much information about the 100 ton tank, there's even less about

10:53the O-I 120 ton heavy tank, again quoting from For the Record, who's in turn quoting

10:59from various Japanese sources, Japan had apparently caught wind of Germany's development of super

11:04heavy tanks, such as the Maus, and decided they would like to have a go, or one last

11:09go at building a super heavy tank themselves, not sure what they would have done with it,

11:13where they would have used it, looks too impractical to mass produce, but they decided to start

11:19developing one anyway.

11:21It was supposed to again be equipped with a 105mm gun, in the main turret, but it also

11:27had two turrets, one with a Type 147mm tank gun, and the other with a Type 97 7.7mm machine

11:35gun, and in the rear of the tank there was a machine gun turret with two 7.7mm machine

11:41guns.

11:42Apparently it was also meant to have 200mm heavy armour, although it doesn't say where

11:46the armour would have been.

11:48Again speed would have been about 15-16mph, considering it's 20 tons heavier, I don't

11:53know how they managed that.

11:55Then there was apparently 11 crew, but again I'm not really sure where they would all go

11:59on the tank, I know the basics like driver, gunner, loader, stuff like that, but I think

12:04again there's a few that I'm not sure where they would be.

12:08Ultimately the OI 120 ton tank was never used, there's confusion about how far along in development

12:16it got, some say it was completed and sent to Manchuria, some say it was scrapped, I

12:23really can't see why it would be sent to Manchuria, they were keeping all their good

12:26tanks behind in Japan by this point of the war, I don't know why they'd then send it

12:31off to Manchuria, surely they'd just scrap it or keep it with the Chiri as a one off

12:36tank to use in the final defence, I don't know.

12:41If it gets added into War Thunder it would have to be tier 4, because it's got a good

12:46gun, it's got very thick armour, battle rating probably the same as the Jumbo 76 or something,

12:545.7 possibly 6, something around there, not too high but again not too low.

13:01But really I doubt Gaijin will even add this tank, I mean information is so hard to find

13:05in it, and you know there's not many records left about it, so I mean I've added it in

13:09just in case, but honestly I don't think this would get into the game, but like I said battle

13:14rating of 6 if it did, I think it would be a very fun tank, but you know a nice little

13:20counterpart for the Maus, but I'm not holding out too many hopes for it to be added into

13:25the game.

13:26So anyway I hope you enjoyed the episode, like I said I'll link any of the websites

13:31I used in the description, but like I said I'm not sure if some of these will be added,

13:37the 100 ton and 120 ton especially do seem rather hit and miss if they could be added,

13:43the 100 ton possibly could, the 120 ton I seriously have doubts, but you know I included

13:48it just in case, Type 95 and Type 91 should definitely be included, I think they'd be

13:53very good additions, even if they were just added in as premium tanks or in one of the

13:58other lines, I think they'd be very good additions for the Japanese tank tech tree, but anyway

14:03I hope you enjoyed today's episode, leave a like if you liked it, subscribe if you like

14:07these sorts of videos, leave feedback, could always do with more feedback, thanks for watching,

14:12I'll see you next time.

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