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In this episode of the proposed future Japanese tank tech tree series I take a look at some of the potential Japanese Self Propelled Anti Aircraft (SPAA) vehicles that could feature on a future Japanese tank tech tree for War Thunder.  Vehicles in this episode: Introduction:  M42 Duster (Added in Update 1.65 "Way of the Samurai") No 1 Ki-To Type 1 Ta-Ha Type 2 Ka-Mi (20mm) Type 94 truck (20mm) (Added in Update 1.65 "Way of the Samurai") Type 95 (20mm) Type 98 Ki-Ho (20mm) Type 98 So-Ki (20mm) (Added in Update 1.65 "Way of the Samurai") Type 98 Ta-Se (20mm) (Added in Update 1.65 "Way of the Samurai") Conclusion:   Proposed Japanese Tank Tech Tree Japanese Light Tanks: https://youtu.be/a4La6cIj3U8 Japanese Medium Tanks (Part 1): https://youtu.be/6ZT_JiN0lFY Japanese Medium Tanks (Part 2): https://youtu.be/EQn_A3aWh8I Japanese Heavy Tanks: https://youtu.be/QhMx05tIZC4 Japanese Amphibious Tanks: https://youtu.be/4_paUh-5U30 Japanese Tank Destroyers & Assault Guns: https://youtu.be/w0Xxw9F-xyk Japanese SPAA: https://youtu.be/Oo0tpdRt9_k Japanese Premium Tanks: https://youtu.be/OxPzgNZo1wI  Link to picture of Type 94 SPAA: http://www.geocities.jp/grypf276/unit/00621.jpg  Link to Type 2 Ka-Mi with 20mm AA gun: http://sakurasakujapan.web.fc2.com/main02/palaukoror/pic119002.jpg http://i624.photobucket.com/albums/tt324/tanks_09/Peleliu%20and%20Palau/Vehicles/Untitled-1.jpg  Information/picture citations: New Vanguard. Japanese tanks: 1939-45 http://www.weaponsofwwii.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=3130&sid=55f981c6b914815120df08efa8e606be&start=15 Hoggs, I.V. and Weeks, J. (1980) The Illustrated Encyclopaedia of Military Vehicles. London, Quarto Publishing Limited, Page 149 http://www3.plala.or.jp/takihome/ Felton, M (2005) Yanagi: The Secret Underwater Trade Between Germany and Japan 1942-1945. Barnsley, Pen and Sword Maritime, pages 58-60  Type 1 Ki-To SPAA http://gunsight.jp/c/english/tank-e-3D%20aat-02.htm  Type 98 Half-track SPAA http://www.weaponsofwwii.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=3130&start=30  Type 98 So-Ki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_98_20_mm_AAG_Tank  Social Media ⬇️ Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/toreno.bsky.social Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/Toreno4 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/toreno170 Mastodon: Toreno17@mastodon.social Threads: https://www.threads.net/@toreno170 Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/Toreno17 Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/toreno5/videos   Game: War Thunder  ⬅️  #warthunder #japan #japanese #spaa #toreno

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00:00Hello everybody and welcome back to another episode of my proposed future Japanese Tank

00:04Tech Tree series.

00:05Now in today's episode as you can see we're going to be dealing with the Self-Propelled

00:08Anti-Aircraft Vehicles or SPAA for short.

00:12Basically they're vehicles that have been outfitted with anti-aircraft guns and are

00:16basically designed to deal with enemy aircraft.

00:20Now as you can see here they are going all along the tiers despite mainly having the

00:25same armament.

00:26Now the reason I've done this is because if you try to research say a tier 4 tank and

00:30you're using a tier 1 anti-aircraft vehicle that will give you a negative RP modifier.

00:36Basically you only get something like 70% of what you should get or 50% I can't remember

00:40the exact number.

00:43So this is to avoid that.

00:45They can be different battle ratings and I have done them much lower battle ratings than

00:49you know their contemporaries would normally be so that should help to avoid the problem.

00:54You can see here I've actually added a lot more than I had originally.

00:57Originally I only had 2 but before I did this episode I went and researched a bit more and

01:02found quite a few.

01:03We've got 9 in total, 6 probable, 3 not sure about but yeah it seems like a decent self-propelled

01:11anti-aircraft lineup.

01:14As usual I'll list down the sources I've used in the description below, book sources, internet

01:19sources as well.

01:20One of the ones I'd definitely recommend is by Akira Takizawa.

01:24I've mentioned it before, he goes by the name Taki online and he's got his own website.

01:31If I can't show pictures or you know for whatever reason or there are no pictures I will mention

01:35it or you know link to where you can find pictures but yeah enough of that let's get

01:41straight into the episode.

01:43Now first of all this isn't the first SPAA we're looking at.

01:46The first one we're looking at is the Type 94 with a 20mm cannon on it.

01:50This is a Type 98 with a 20mm cannon on it but I haven't been able to find many pictures

01:56of the Type 94 with a 20mm cannon so I'll link you to any pictures that seem relevant

02:02so you can look at the truck itself.

02:04From what I understand it was actually a 6 wheeler truck which is kind of unusual, usually

02:08there are only 4 wheels I think.

02:10But basically there isn't really much to say about this tank it's a truck with a 20mm cannon

02:15on it much like the German Flak Panzers which are basically tanks with 20mm cannons on them.

02:23So where should it go on the tech tree?

02:24I've put it at tier 1 because obviously it's a starter truck with a not very good cannon.

02:30Battle rating wise the German Flak Panzer starts at 1.3 that's also a 20mm so probably

02:371.3 as well so you know it's not going to be a particularly high ranking, high tier,

02:42high battle rating vehicle so you know it's going to be quite low but I think that would

02:47be a good place for it to be and a good starter self propelled anti-aircraft vehicle.

02:52Now the next vehicle on the tech tree is the prototype anti-aircraft tank number 1 Kaito.

02:59Basically this is a Type 97 Tiki which has been modified as a gun platform for the 20mm

03:06Flak gun.

03:07Now presumably this is going to be quite similar to the Type 97 Tiki normal stats so presumably

03:14around 4-16mm of armour, 26mph top speeds, similar in most ways but of course you're

03:23probably going to have more crew I assume you're going to have a gunner, loader and

03:26a driver rather than just the driver and commander.

03:30Now one of the problems with this, it's got more armour to protect the driver but the

03:35gun platform is just completely exposed there's nothing to block any shots like with a truck

03:39we've got the cabin which isn't particularly great but better than nothing this is just

03:43out in the open a machine gun could deal with them.

03:47So this is probably going to be Japan's version of the Gephardt in a way although you could

03:52probably swap its place with the Type 94 if you wanted to you know it comes down to personal

03:57preference at the moment I think.

04:00Personally I'd put it about the same battle rating as the Gephardt you know 2.0 tier 1

04:06I think it'd be a nice little starter SPAA tank you know proper tank not a truck but

04:11again it's not going to be particularly great compared to some of the other nations self

04:15propelled anti-aircraft vehicles.

04:17Now the next vehicle is one we've already looked at the Type 98 half track also known

04:23as the Kiho with basically a 20mm Flak cannon put on it again there isn't really much to

04:28say about it possibly or probably a slightly higher battle rating than the Tyco again it's

04:35not particularly armored it's quite open but again better than the Tyco which is just completely

04:42in the open I think it would be an okay self propelled anti-aircraft vehicle I would probably

04:48give it a battle rating of 2.3 which is about the same as the Russian self propelled anti-aircraft

04:53gun the GAZ I believe it's called that has a 25mm cannon so you know they're quite similar

04:58but this should theoretically be better off road due to the tracks at the back of the

05:03vehicle.

05:05Now just before we go on to the next vehicle I just want to show you a picture I took in

05:08War Thunder I may have shown you it before but two Type 97s but also two half tracks

05:14the one on the left I believe is the Type 1 Hokie armored personnel carrier but the

05:17one on the right I don't know if it's a Japanese one or a German one.

05:22It does appear to be carrying a 20mm quad flak gun I think a German one which isn't

05:28actually in the game at the moment I don't know if Japan used these during the war I

05:31know the submarine the I-30 tried to bring about 200 back or 220mm anti-aircraft guns

05:37back from France well occupied France it was sunk outside Singapore but apparently they

05:44recovered most of the flak guns so maybe that's going to be used on some of the Japanese self

05:50propelled anti-aircraft guns I'm not entirely sure but I thought I'd you know show the picture

05:54and at least raise the possibility of course it could just also be a placeholder as Japan

05:59doesn't really have any self-propelled anti-aircraft gun in game at the moment and they needed

06:03something to represent the anti-aircraft guns for the Japanese ground forces and arcade

06:09battles.

06:11Now I wasn't sure whether to include this next vehicle because there's only one reference

06:14to it in my illustrated encyclopedia of military vehicles by Ian V Hogg and John Weeks.

06:22Now there isn't a picture of the vehicle but it was based on the Type 95 chassis so there's

06:26a picture of the Type 95 for reference quoting from the book an anti-aircraft vehicle was

06:31made by lengthening the chassis and inserting another set of bogies on top of this longer

06:36hull a twin 20mm mounting was placed and it made a reasonably successful arrangement very

06:41few were built unquote.

06:44That is basically the only information I could find about it any other search has just

06:48brought up the Type 95 self-propelled anti-aircraft vehicle currently in Chinese army service.

06:54I have no idea what the armour would be like I assume 12mm at the front and sides and rear

07:00it also has 9mm at the top and bottom but I don't know if it keeps the turret or loses

07:05the turret I don't know how the speed would be or what the crew would be like I would

07:11like this to be added but I don't think there's going to be that much data which is why I've

07:14bolded it and underlined it the fact there's only one reference to it you know just decreases

07:20the chances of it being added quite badly.

07:23If it was to be added I've put it at tier 2 which is above the tier 1 normal Type 95

07:30simply because you know armour isn't going to be mattering too much because it's a self-propelled

07:33anti-aircraft gun and again I'm trying to spread them all across the tier so you don't

07:38get the negative research bonus but I think it should probably be kind of low tier 2 not

07:46really sure what battle rating probably about battle rating 2.6 because it doesn't it's

07:51not that much of an improvement it's only got slightly better armour but yeah it would

07:55be nice for it to be added but like I say I don't think there's much chance due to the

07:59lack of sources on it.

08:01Now the next vehicle we have a similar problem there is actually picture evidence of this

08:05vehicle and I'll link you to where you can find the pictures or picture but there's no

08:10actual other sources about it but basically it's a Type 2 Kami which seems to have had

08:15a twin 20mm mount input in the back of the rear pontoon I don't know if this was an ad

08:21hoc conversion I believe it was at Pallaloo this was found so I assume it was just a defensive

08:26measure you know put on a tank that wasn't going to be in much use once the invasion

08:31had started not really sure what else to say about it presumably it would still have

08:37the same armour 6-13mm same speed about 23mph whether it would still be amphibious afterwards

08:43or the rest of the armament could be used I have no idea battle rating wise I've put

08:50it tier 3 again because armour and all that doesn't really matter with self-propelled

08:55anti-aircraft guns and to spread the self-propelled anti-aircraft guns across all the tiers again

09:00to avoid the research bonus but again very low battle rating I wouldn't give it more

09:05than 3 really 2.6 around there it would be nice to have it added but I'm not really thinking

09:15there's going to be much of a chance of it being added now the next two vehicles are

09:19quite similar both based on the Type 98 Kini light tank the only difference is that one

09:24seems to have a single mounting for a 20mm gun and the other has a double 20mm mounting

09:30now I believe this is a picture of the double mounting one but again I will link to where

09:33you can find a picture of the single mounting one but basically they took the Type 98 light

09:39tank Kini removed the usual turret and replaced it with a cylindrical open topped one with

09:45a 20mm cannon in it for anti-aircraft work as far as I'm aware it was only a one man

09:51turret so I don't know if he had to do the loading as well I think there was information

09:55about an external loader if they needed it but apparently this wasn't particularly a

10:00good tank and it's kind of easy to see why it's only a single 20mm cannon you know they're

10:07not exactly the most powerful guns in the world presumably it would be quite similar

10:12to the Type 98 Kini 6-16mm of armour 31mph I've put this at higher tier 3 but battle

10:20rating wise I'd suggest it would be better at 3.3-3.7 I believe it goes 3.3-7 for some

10:26reason again it's not going to be a particularly useful tank or self propelled anti-aircraft

10:32vehicle but you know to fill out the tiers and to avoid that negative RP research effect

10:39I think that's a pretty appropriate place to put it but again it's not going to be the

10:43greatest vehicle in the world now after this they started a new project with a twin 20mm

10:49turret mounting but there seems to be a bit of confusion Wikipedia says it was based on

10:54the chassis of the Type 1 Hoki Armoured Personnel Carrier other sources say it was still based

10:59on the Type 98 Kini you know a continuation of that project but names it as the Number

11:043 Soki I believe that kind of makes more sense carrying on with the Type 98 Kini because

11:12I don't know why they've then swapped to an Armoured Personnel Carrier the other source

11:17actually mentions the Armoured Personnel Carrier project being a separate project so

11:21I assume Wikipedia has just got its facts wrong which is why I tend to avoid using it

11:26where possible but basically they completely remodelled the Type 98 Kini they got rid of

11:33the superstructure and the turret and added this platform for the gun and part of the

11:38new superstructure actually covered the lower bit of it to provide some sort of additional

11:41armour protection again it wasn't particularly great you know it was improved because it

11:48has better guns it was actually more of a purpose built anti-aircraft vehicle but still

11:53using 20mm cannons which again weren't all that great even though they'd added an extra

11:57barrel or an extra gun again I've put this about tier 4 very low tier 4 I think this

12:04shouldn't be higher than a battle rating of 4 really again I've put them very low battle

12:10ratings because I don't think the battle ratings matter too much tier wise you know you could

12:15put something tier 5 and give it a really low battle rating maybe some people would

12:20disagree but that's the only way I could see these self-propelled anti-aircraft vehicles

12:24being competitive as far as I'm aware all the stats are the same as the last vehicle

12:30and the Type 98 in general now the next vehicle like with the Type 95 self-propelled anti-aircraft

12:37vehicle I've only seen one reference to and that was on a Wikipedia article and like I

12:41said I do try to avoid using that but I thought I'd mention it just on the off chance there

12:46is some truth to it but basically apparently there was a variant called the Type 1 Tahar

12:53which was apparently a prototype version with a twin 37mm anti-aircraft gun mounted now

12:59apparently this was a prototype and didn't go into production presumably it would be

13:03similar to the Type 1 Chaihee in general 8x50mm of armour 27mph top speed again I

13:12don't think there's much chance of it being added because there doesn't seem to be much

13:15information on it if it was added probably a battle rating of about 4.7 tier 4 but again

13:23I don't I've put it in just in case it did exist but I you know the lack of information

13:28suggests to me that perhaps it didn't but you know just for completeness I thought it

13:32would be best to at least mention it now for my last vehicle we've got the M42 Duster

13:38as far as I'm aware Japan used some of these so seems fitting for a tier 5 self-propelled

13:43anti-aircraft vehicle not good armour the thickest it gets is 25mm but effective 40mm

13:50with sloping but you know it's going to be penetrated you know it doesn't get much thicker

13:55than 30 effective thickness really or 40 if you count that front bit so not particularly

14:03great armour penetration again is not particularly good 63 seems to be best with the armour piercing

14:12so you know it's not going to be penetrating many enemy vehicles how many crew does it

14:17have it has 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 6 crew where's the top speed max speed of 45 miles an hour

14:26you know it's got a decent weapon finally 40mm Bofors cannons I believe it's a battle

14:34rating of 6.7 so a bit of a jump up but I think this would be a very good tier 5 self-propelled

14:39anti-aircraft vehicle for the Japanese tech tree so that's it for today's episode I think

14:46I've come out with a decent self-propelled anti-aircraft tech tree was a bit worried

14:50how it would turn out when I first started it but yeah I think it's come out decently

14:55well like I say they're going to be quite well they look over tiered but you know down

15:00to because of the battle rating I think they should end up you know being somewhat competitive

15:04they're not going to be as good as other nation's self-propelled anti-aircraft vehicles but

15:08you know I think they should be good enough for the job but anyway I hope you've enjoyed

15:12this episode next episode we'll be dealing with the premium tanks so if you've liked

15:18the video leave a like subscribe if you like these sorts of videos leave feedback can always

15:22do with more feedback and yeah hope you've enjoyed the video thanks for watching I'll

15:26see you next time

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