War Thunder - Proposed Italian Tank Tech Tree - Tank Destroyers/Self Propelled Anti Air (SPAA) - video Dailymotion

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In this episode I continue looking at Italian ground forces for my proposed Italian tanks tech tree , concentrating on the tank destroyers (or Semovente), assault guns and self propelled anti-aircraft (SPAA) units.  Don't forget to check out the brilliantly done Italian aviation tech tree, links below.  Social Media ⬇️ Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/toreno.bsky.social Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/Toreno4 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/toreno170 Mastodon: Toreno17@mastodon.social Threads: https://www.threads.net/@toreno170 Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/Toreno17 Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/toreno5/videos  Italian aviation tech tree website and forum thread: http://italiantechtreewtint.weebly.com/ http://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/73287-wt-italian-tech-tree-fan-made/  Vehicles in this episode: Introduction: 00:00 Semovente 47/32 (Added in Update 1.85 "Supersonic"): 00:37 Semovente 75/18 (Added in Update 1.85 "Supersonic"): 02:03 Semovente 75/34 (Added in Update 1.85 "Supersonic"): 03:23 Semovente 75/46 (Added in Update 1.85 "Supersonic"): 04:19 Semovente 105/25 (Added in Update 1.85 "Supersonic"): 05:13 Semovente 90/53 (Added in Update 1.85 "Supersonic"): 06:14 SPA-35 (Breda 20mm): 09:00 102/35 (mounted on FIAT 634N) (Added in Cannone da 90/53 (truck mounted): 11:01 76/40 mod (truck mounted): 12:40 Conclusion: 14:24  Proposed Italian Tank Tech Tree Armoured Cars and Tanks: https://youtu.be/bX9FmkabR-4 Italian armoured cars and tanks: https://youtu.be/bX9FmkabR-4 Italian Premium tanks: https://youtu.be/uly_POMcsls  Information/picture citations:  WWII: The Directory of Weapons. Author: Chris Bishop. Tanks: compared and contrasted. Weapons of World War II. http://www.miniatures.de/shells-italian.html http://www.wwiivehicles.com/italy/penetration-tables.asp http://www.warwheels.net/AB42protoINDEX.html   Game: War Thunder  ⬅️  #warthunder #toreno #italy #italian #tank #worldwar2 #spaa #tankdestroyer

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00:00Hello everybody and welcome back to the second episode of my proposed Italian tank tech tree series.

00:06Last episode we looked at the tankettes, armoured cars, light tanks and medium tanks.

00:10Today we'll look at the self-propelled guns, assault guns and self-propelled anti-aircraft guns.

00:15I'm probably going to do the premiums as a separate episode because there's quite a few vehicles here and it's going to take a while to get through them all.

00:22Now the self-propelled guns are probably the main strength of the Italians from the looks of it.

00:28They've also got quite a few good self-propelled anti-aircraft guns.

00:32Let's look at them in more in-depth and get straight into it.

00:36The first tank destroyer we're looking at is the Sempervente L40 Dar 47-32.

00:42This was based on the chassis of the L6-40 which only had a 20mm or sometimes 37mm gun.

00:50As we talked about before, these guns weren't up to scratch in North Africa against the British tanks.

00:56They practically weren't able to penetrate the British tanks at almost point-blank range.

01:02So they decided to make a tank destroyer out of it.

01:05They've added the 47mm gun that was used in the M13 tank.

01:11It was quite a good gun.

01:13The secondary armament was one machine gun.

01:16It could do speeds of up to 26.3mph.

01:22It had frontal armour of 30mm.

01:25Not quite as good as the Fiat L6 40mm of armour but still reasonably well armoured.

01:31Because it hasn't got a turret, it has a lower silhouette so should be harder to hit.

01:38I've put this in tier 1 because at the end of the day it only has a 47mm gun.

01:44I think it would do quite well at that tier.

01:47It's the same gun as the M13.

01:49It probably could be in tier 1, either low or high.

01:55I think it would be a good addition for the Italian tech tree.

01:59Not the greatest of tank destroyers but I think it would be a good place to start from.

02:03The next tank we're looking at, the Semavente 75-18, isn't actually listed in any of my books.

02:09I'm somewhat having to rely on internet sources unfortunately.

02:13It was armed with a 75mm howitzer.

02:1618 is the length of the gun.

02:19You can see it's quite a bit shorter than some of the other guns.

02:23It's kind of like the Panzer IV or Stug.

02:27The original Stug, so it sounds a bit like.

02:31The armour piercing wasn't all that great at 100m 59mm of penetration.

02:36But with heat it could do 120.

02:39I think that's actually better than the Stugs we've got in the game at the moment.

02:42At least the early variants.

02:44It had frontal armour of 50mm.

02:47A secondary armament of an 8mm or 6.5mm machine gun.

02:52And could do about 20mph.

02:54Built on the chassis of the M13 and later the M14.

02:59Seems like a pretty good tank.

03:01It's got good decent armour.

03:03A bit on the slow side perhaps but seems fast enough.

03:07I think it would be a good tank.

03:09I've put it in early tier 2.

03:12It could possibly be high tier 1.

03:14Depends how Gaijin decide to go about with it.

03:17But I think it would be a very good tank to have in the game.

03:20Or tank destroyer to have in the game.

03:22Now unfortunately the next tank destroyer.

03:25The Semivente 75-34 was also not mentioned in my books.

03:29But from looking at other sources.

03:32You can apparently use the same 75mm gun as on the P40.

03:37And at 100m had 90mm penetration.

03:40With armour piercing.

03:41Or 120 with HEAT.

03:43High Explosive Anti-Tank.

03:45Speed of 24mph.

03:48Frontal armour of 50mm.

03:51And secondary armament of the 8mm machine gun.

03:55Seems like a decent tank.

03:57I've put it in tier 2 just below the P26.

04:01Because the tank destroyers tend to be a bit more powerful than their contemporary tanks.

04:05In the same tier.

04:08So I've put it high tier 2.

04:10It could possibly go low tier 3.

04:12But there is another tank that is quite similar to it.

04:16That we will look at next.

04:18And that tank is the Semivente 75-46.

04:23This actually had a better gun.

04:25115mm of penetration.

04:28With armour piercing at 100m.

04:30Or again 120 with HEAT.

04:34Only a few of these are built.

04:37And I think these were again used quite a lot by the Germans.

04:40As with many of the later Italian tanks and tank destroyers.

04:44Frontal armour of 15-80mm.

04:47Had a secondary armament of 8mm machine gun again.

04:51And 24mph.

04:53So a bit of an improvement over the 75-34 in armour.

04:57About the same in speed.

04:59Better gun.

05:01I've put this at low tier 3.

05:06I can't really see it being too much lower than that.

05:08I think it would be a good tank destroyer for the Italians to have.

05:12Now I've actually gone a little bit out of chronological order with the next tank.

05:16I actually moved it recently.

05:18In the last episode.

05:20After the last episode.

05:22The Semivente 105-25.

05:25The reason I've gone out of chronological order is.

05:27Because it's quite a bit worse gun wise than its predecessors.

05:32That chronological wise.

05:35It only has 76mm penetration with armour piercing at 100m.

05:39Or 120 with heat.

05:41Well it's actually got 121.

05:43But only 1mm difference.

05:45It has 75mm of armour.

05:48Which is quite a bit better than its predecessors.

05:50Chronological wise.

05:52But this is a gun that's going to be important.

05:54It could also do 22mph.

05:56So it seems like an ok tank.

05:59I don't like really going out of chronological order.

06:02But I really felt I had to with this tank.

06:04Because it's just not going to work otherwise.

06:07But yeah.

06:09It would be a good tank for the Italians to have.

06:11In their tank tech tree.

06:13Now the next vehicle is the one I've been looking forward to the most.

06:16The Semivente M41M DA 90-53.

06:20This was armed with a 90mm cannon.

06:24I believe it was actually an anti-aircraft cannon.

06:26So kind of similar to the German 88mm flak guns.

06:31As you can see it's a bit exposed.

06:33The crew actually had to stand behind the gun to fire it and load it.

06:37My books actually disagree on how much ammo was carried.

06:41One says no ammo was carried.

06:43And it had to be carried in a specially armoured vehicle.

06:46That accompanied the tank.

06:49Another one says that 6 rounds could be carried.

06:52But again mostly in the armoured vehicle.

06:54So I don't know how Gaijin is going to deal with that.

06:58Basically it was meant to be a stand-off tank.

07:01Shooting from long distances.

07:04So the lack of crew protection wasn't supposed to be much of a problem.

07:09Now the 90mm gun was very powerful.

07:12I'm reading here from about 1000 metres.

07:16It was supposed to be able to penetrate 101mm of armour.

07:20While from 100 metres it could penetrate about 206mm of armour.

07:26So this is a very powerful gun.

07:29But like I said you will have to use it as a bit of a stand-off vehicle.

07:32Because it's very exposed.

07:35The actual armour on it is 30mm.

07:37So quite a bit less than the other tanks.

07:40I don't know if it refers to the gun shield or the actual tank itself.

07:45It's 6-30mm.

07:47So it could refer to maybe the tank being 30mm and the gun shield 6mm.

07:54I'm not entirely sure.

07:56It had a speed of about 22mph on maximum road speed.

08:02So decently fast as well.

08:05I'm looking forward to this tank immensely.

08:08Or tank destroyer immensely.

08:10It's one of my favourite Italian vehicles of the war.

08:13And I definitely would be very excited to see it in the game.

08:16Where it could actually be used really well.

08:20Now I've put it about tier 4.

08:23So it could be tier 3.

08:26Higher tier 3.

08:28Because it has got the very big gun.

08:30It is going to be used for long distance shooting.

08:32It could go a little bit lower perhaps.

08:34But we'll have to wait and see really.

08:36How Gaijin decides to implement it.

08:39So as we can see Italy did have some very good tank destroyers.

08:43I do think that is probably going to be one of their main strengths in the game.

08:48Because their tank destroyers are better than their tanks in most regards.

08:54I think they would be a very good addition for the Italian tech tree.

08:57And the thing to look out for the most.

08:59Now moving away from tank destroyers.

09:01We go to the self-propelled anti-aircraft guns.

09:04And the first one we start off with is the 20mm Breda.

09:07On the SPA Dovaniuk Q35.

09:11I apologise for the mispronunciation.

09:16Now basically it is just a 20mm Breda anti-aircraft gun put on a truck.

09:22I haven't been able to find much information on the truck unfortunately.

09:25So I don't know the speeds and stuff.

09:27Although it is a self-propelled anti-aircraft gun.

09:29It is not like it is going to need massive speed.

09:31It is not going to be well armoured exactly.

09:33The gun itself can fire about 200-220 rounds per minute.

09:37Which seems like an okay amount I suppose.

09:40Maybe a little bit on the slow side.

09:42Compared to the .50 caliber machine guns and stuff the Americans have.

09:46It should be able to do quite a decent amount of damage.

09:50It could also potentially be used in the anti-armour role.

09:55Although it probably wouldn't do that well.

09:57I think it could do about 36mm penetration at 100m.

10:02So not particularly good as an anti-tank weapon.

10:07But it could be used in that role potentially.

10:10I have put it in tier 2.

10:12Because if you put it too low you are going to have a gap between tier 1 and 3.

10:18So I have put it in low tier 2.

10:21Where it could do some good against the slower flying aircraft.

10:25Which it should have more chance of hitting hopefully.

10:28Now after the 20mm Breda.

10:31It kind of jumps up quite a bit in caliber on my tech tree.

10:36One because I thought this would be more unique for the Italian tech tree.

10:41Because the anti-aircraft guns can provide some sort of anti-tank capability.

10:46But also because I don't think Italy particularly had many smaller caliber self-propelled anti-aircraft guns.

10:53I don't think they had anything particularly in between that was used as self-propelled anti-aircraft.

10:58That I know of.

11:01Now it was a bit hard to find information on some of these self-propelled anti-aircraft mounts.

11:06Mainly because my books don't particularly list many of them.

11:09And because there is not much English information on the internet or any other sources.

11:14So I've happened to be trawling through Italian sites.

11:17But the first large caliber self-propelled anti-aircraft gun we are looking at is the 102-35.

11:23The ones you are seeing in the picture are mounted on SPA 9000s.

11:28That's what the mount was called, I'm not entirely sure.

11:31Like I said, I'm not having to google translate a lot of this.

11:35But they were fortunately put on 634N Fiat trucks in World War 2.

11:40So we should have a more up-to-date vehicle that it's mounted to.

11:46Now it can only fire about 7 rounds a minute apparently.

11:50But it could penetrate up to 157mm of armor.

11:56With armor-piercing rounds from about 100m away.

12:00So I've put this about higher tier 2.

12:06Because I don't want the armor penetration to make it too unfair.

12:09But also the low fire rate will be useless in higher tiers with the faster aircraft.

12:15Higher tier 2 is really the limit aircraft speed where it would be able to handle itself probably.

12:22It has an effective ceiling of about 11,700m.

12:26So it should be able to reach most aircraft.

12:28Although they are firing a lot lower.

12:32But unfortunately they are going to be quite fast.

12:35Which could be a bit of a problem for it.

12:37But hopefully it will be able to deal with those problems.

12:39Now the next anti-aircraft gun is the 76-40.

12:43Which from what I understand was actually a naval weapon.

12:46But apparently some were eventually put on trucks.

12:50Fiat 634N's I believe again.

12:53Or maybe some other trucks as well.

12:55Now this has a better fire rate of about 12-15 shots a minute.

12:59Can reach up to about 6,000m.

13:03Not sure penetration values.

13:05But this should hopefully be a bit better for dealing with faster flying aircraft.

13:11Which is why I've put it low tier 3.

13:14Hopefully it will have ok armor penetration as well if you want to use it against enemy tanks.

13:19Where it should hopefully be able to do ok in that role.

13:22Though I'm not really sure.

13:24Like I say I'm not sure on the penetration values.

13:26But hopefully it will do ok.

13:28Now the next gun the 90-53.

13:31Which we've actually already looked at.

13:33This was the gun that was mounted on the Semivente tank destroyer.

13:37So we already know the penetration is 206mm at 100m.

13:42Can also reach up to about 12,000m.

13:47What's the word? Effective ceiling.

13:50Fire rate I think is about 19 rounds a minute.

13:56So fast firing we know it will do ok in the anti-tank role.

14:00Should hopefully do well in an anti-aircraft role as well.

14:04Not sure on information on the trucks unfortunately.

14:07I think it's on a Lancia 3RO heavy truck.

14:12I don't know any information on that unfortunately.

14:15But I doubt it's going to be that fast or well armoured.

14:18Especially with the huge gun on the back.

14:20But I think it would be a good addition for the self-propelled anti-aircraft line.

14:23Now I'll probably leave the video about here.

14:26In the next episode we'll look at the self-propelled anti-aircraft guns.

14:31And the premium tanks.

14:33But in this episode hopefully you've got a good outline of the gun tanks.

14:38And tankettes, armoured cars, light tanks that could be in the Italian tech tree.

14:43These aren't necessarily Italy's strongest sides.

14:47The armoured cars are actually quite powerful.

14:49In some cases more powerful than some of the tanks.

14:52Light tanks are reasonably ok.

14:55Medium tanks can suffer a little bit.

14:58But I think if they're tiered appropriately they could do quite well.

15:02I think Italy definitely does deserve some form of tank tech tree.

15:09And I hope it will be introduced sometime in the future.

15:12And hopefully this raises awareness about the Italian tech trees.

15:16Don't forget to visit the links I showed at the beginning of the video.

15:20I hope you enjoyed the video.

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15:26And leave feedback. I can always do with more feedback.

15:28Thank you for watching and I'll see you next time.

War Thunder - Proposed Italian Tank Tech Tree - Tank Destroyers/Self Propelled Anti Air (SPAA)

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