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00:00Okay, it is just before 10 o'clock on Monday night.
00:16Patriots are back from Chicago with a big win.
00:19I am back from Chicago with a big L, picking the Bears to win running away.
00:24And what you have here on Monday night, Tuesday, Wednesday, whenever you listen to this, is
00:28another jam-packed Monday night episode.
00:30So we have film notes from the Patriots 19-3 win.
00:33We have a Drake May breakdown.
00:34We have mailback answers for you.
00:36We have travel tales held to the very end of this episode, so you can skip if you like.
00:40Oh, and a little bit more on the Kendrick Bourne situation, which is not like a situation
00:45that demands a room, okay?
00:47But it's a little tidbit, question mark, things that were left in Chicago, which probably
00:51would have been a bigger deal had they lost.
00:52Instead, the Patriots have their most resounding win of the season.
00:56And I want to start right there, because as I was coming back home, actually, in Logan,
01:02going up an escalator with our guy Doug Kide, someone behind me says, hey, how do you think
01:06Pat's nation feels about that?
01:08And I look at this guy, very nice guy, chatted with him for like another minute, going, well,
01:12I hope you're happy.
01:13And I hope you at home are happy, because what are we here for, again, if not the actual
01:18football being played?
01:19This is not about the draft.
01:21It's not about free agency.
01:22It's not how you treat 2K or Madden, or you sin the season if you're sucking and you're
01:27figuring out how to rebuild.
01:28No, this is for the football.
01:29And the Patriots, again, just had their biggest win of the season, 16 points, not in any kind
01:34of doubt in the second half.
01:35And I get that Chicago sucks.
01:37That is not lost in me, how much the Bears blow, they're poorly coached, their offensive
01:41line makes the Patriots look like all their guys should go to the Pro Bowl.
01:45And no one watching that Bears team for the first time on Sunday would have ever, ever
01:49guessed that they were four and four going into that game.
01:53More often than not, and this is the reason I picked the Bears to win last week, talent
01:57wins in the NFL.
01:59More often than not, desperation wins in the NFL.
02:02The Bears have more talent, and they had more desperation going into kickoff because they
02:06had just lost two straight.
02:08They're about to head into the second half, the hardest part of their schedule, all their
02:12division games still left to play.
02:13They were at home where they had not lost in more than a year, and yet the Patriots
02:17beat them.
02:18Not only beat them, but beat them badly.
02:20Again, 19 to three, and never really in doubt in that second half.
02:24And as I wrote after the game, in doing so, they showed us something new.
02:29Because in my opinion, I couldn't say yet that the Patriots could simply just show up,
02:35wrestle a better team to the ground, and choke them out, okay?
02:38And what happened Sunday is exactly that.
02:40This was not a one possession game.
02:43This was not a win in week one, the least telling time of the season.
02:47This was, can you, mid-season, when everyone knows who everyone else is, and how good they
02:51are, how bad they are, beat a better team?
02:53And the Patriots did.
02:56They were tougher, they were smarter, okay?
02:58They were more resilient, they were better coached, okay?
03:00And we'll get into some of these numbers, but the smarter point starts with their only
03:04touchdown of the game, which was Jalen Polk's delayed release into the flat.
03:07Bad eyes by Tyreek Stevenson, Bears corner, who's just famous for making the worst mistakes
03:12at the worst possible time, see the Hail Mary the Bears gave up a couple of weeks ago.
03:16And they scored on that, something midweek, paid off on Sunday, not to mention the 144
03:21rushing yards, the 71% of snaps played a man coverage.
03:24This was tougher, better, smarter football.
03:27But a couple more stats for you, because I tweeted them out already.
03:31Kayla Williams finished with 69 net passing yards.
03:34Yes, not so nice, 69 net passing yards.
03:37The Bears had zero explosive plays, and the Pats missed two tackles, and basically nothing
03:43else.
03:44The crazy part is, again, sticking big picture here, were it not for a lost overtime period
03:49in Tennessee, we are talking about a three game winning streak for the Patriots, yes.
03:54Now, there's no question, obviously, playing the Jets, and then the Titans, and the Bears,
03:59their level of competition is completely cratered, right?
04:02All of those teams might join them in the top 10 of the draft come April, okay?
04:06Right now, the Jets and Titans are in there with Patriots.
04:08But it's no accident the Patriots are playing their best when they play this style.
04:12And that style is what they rediscovered in Chicago, running the ball, more play action,
04:18and a shit ton of man-to-man coverage, man-up type of football.
04:23This is progress.
04:24And for a football team that was one in six, as we're talking here in this podcast, having
04:28bigger issues in culture, and this runs deeper, and the losses are just the symptoms because
04:31they have bigger problems elsewhere, this is important.
04:34That's to be celebrated.
04:35So to the guy behind me in the escalator, Logan, and to you right now, I hope very much
04:39you are happy.
04:40Three and seven record.
04:41Totally a sigh.
04:42All right, time to talk Drake May, and after that, offense, defense, game balls, what would
04:46NFL film say, mailbag, and as I said, travel tales, after that.
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06:00Now it's Drake May time.
06:01So Drake May goes 15 to 25, 184 yards, touchdown and a pick.
06:05He was throwing an accurate pass about 71% of the time.
06:09Not very good under pressure here against the Bears, three of 10, 21 yards and a sack.
06:15He did like, he only took one sack, despite facing, get this, almost identical pressure
06:21rate that Kayla Williams had.
06:23Kayla Williams, you know, took nine sacks.
06:25Drake May had one, handled the blitz well.
06:28This game to me though, was not as much about the numbers and the pressure and this and
06:31that.
06:32It was about Drake May testing his own limits and this cut both ways for the Patriots, right?
06:37You saw the ridiculous 28 yard completion on the corner out to Austin Hooper and the
06:43first play of their second drive going, how the, did he fit that in there?
06:46Okay, well he did.
06:48Then you saw the near touchdown to KJ Osborne, who if he had not stepped out of bound first
06:53and then committed an illegal touching penalty, would have had a touchdown that you would
06:57have seen on every Drake May highlight reel for the rest of his career.
07:00That's wasn't a touchdown.
07:01It was a penalty.
07:02People forget.
07:03So on the heels of those throws, he makes a stupid interception and he called it, oh,
07:09I'm just trying to throw the ball away.
07:11Look he's a, he's a good kid.
07:13Uh, you watching that tape today, I think you can very clearly see him try to make a
07:18last second look over to Austin Hooper and fit this ball in there because why not?
07:22He's a 22 year old kid at the peak of his physical powers right now as he learns the
07:26rest of the game and tries to find those limits.
07:28It goes instead to TJ Edwards in the easiest interception he'll have in a while.
07:32And that's why I say he's trying to find his limits.
07:34Not to mention deep throws to Keishon Booty, one rolling left, throwing back all the way
07:39across the field to his right.
07:41Okay.
07:42With basically a flick of the wrist and it's a little under thrown, but still goes 40 yards.
07:46Then you had another where he takes a huge hit at the rolling out stopping and that's
07:49a little under thrown, but he's going to find out, can I make those throws going to my left
07:54and back across the body?
07:55Because he found out by trying with those first two completions, one to Hooper and then
07:59the near completion to Osborne.
08:01So I think a better defense would have made him pay for some of those plays.
08:05And you're looking at a turnover where the play rate of almost 10%, you can't have that
08:09long term.
08:10Again, one out of every 10 dropbacks cannot be risking the ball going to the other team.
08:14Drake may has to protect the ball better period, but on the positive side, you had also throws
08:21like the 23 yarder on the dig route to Keishon Booty right before the end of the half.
08:26Again, pinpoint throw beating man coverage need to have it kind of situation and he delivers.
08:32Like I do not think all of the starting quarterbacks in the NFL could have made that throw and granted
08:38they had a good call.
08:39It's a credit to AVP who we'll get to later.
08:41Drake may have made that throw, make it up, spike the ball, one second left, three points.
08:46That was the field goal that Joey slight drilled after the play, but really was only possible
08:50because of the 23 yarder that Drake may delivered on that pass play.
08:54Last thing here, I mentioned he only took the one sack.
08:57He was under pressure about 35% of the time.
08:59Caleb Williams is actually 36 to 37.
09:02This is all part of my charting.
09:03You'll get different numbers of PFF and next gen stats.
09:05I have it.
09:06I can tell you why.
09:07If you ever want to argue the right here, that's why I do it on my own.
09:11Drake may sense pressure better pre snap and post snap than Caleb Williams did.
09:17He beat two blitzes on quick little curl routes outside the caisson booty, recognizing
09:22it pre snap, post snap, 9% of his pressure went from a hurry or a hit to a sack.
09:29We talk about pressure to sack ratio.
09:31We did this during the draft process.
09:32Very key for quarterbacks.
09:33How often are you taking a bad situation and making it worse?
09:36Caleb Williams only had worse situations.
09:38Again, nine sacks on what amounted to, I think it was around 14, 15 pressures.
09:43Drake may took one sack under the same amount of pressure, 9.1%.
09:48When you consider that, it's kind of the more unseen, but that was the biggest difference
09:51between the two.
09:52Drake may felt this much pressure, but you didn't see it at home because he either got
09:56rid of the ball, beat it pre snap, or occasionally was making stupid throws that he didn't have
10:02to pay for, but largely was the better quarterback making the smarter decisions before and after.
10:07I said one last thing.
10:08I got to get this number out.
10:09Five of seven for 78 yards and a touchdown, plus a pick, awful play action.
10:14Alex Van Pelt said he wanted to see his ball handling, giggle here if you're 13 years old,
10:20on play action improve a little bit, right?
10:22Drake may has been under center.
10:23That foot works down.
10:24He's getting used to some reads, but the difference is those play facts have to be so exact.
10:29How many times did you see Tom Brady or Peyton Manning watching a primetime game and they
10:33do the side by side shot of this is what a run play looks like.
10:37This is what the run fake looks like, and they're almost identical.
10:41Drake may is closing that gap with the handoffs, and you saw that payoff, not only because
10:46he's making the throws like we talked about the Austin Hooper downfield, but he's making
10:50the defense have to respect it, even though up until this game, the Patriots really hardly
10:53had been running the ball.
10:54Well, obviously 144 yards against the Bears changes that, but some of these play action
10:58completions were before they said, Oh no, no, we're running the ball today and you need
11:03to respect this.
11:04And I think the difference was tightening of the footwork, better play fakes, and just
11:08more reps for a kid against fifth straight in the NFL overall offensively, this is how
11:13they want to play.
11:14Okay.
11:15It's a run first planned 68% run rate on first down a 70% success rate when they were running
11:21the ball in the first down.
11:22So let's say that again, basically two out of every three first downplays, they're running
11:27the ball.
11:28And then a higher percentage of that it was successful, meaning they're gaining at least
11:32four yards on those carries.
11:34That puts you ahead of the chains, which we know is how the Patriots want to play.
11:38But beyond that, the plays that they were running, you had some outside zone at the
11:42start of the first half, end of the second and counters off of that net actually counterplay,
11:47but a pin and pull inside zone stuff you need to be good at.
11:51If you want to major in outside zone, otherwise teams load up against that.
11:55Well, what's your plan B okay.
11:57They hit on their plan Bs and I tweeted out some clips of this where pin and pull is,
12:01is basically outside zone, but it takes an offensive lineman pulling ahead of the running
12:06back as their lead blocker to get extra blockers out on the edge, as opposed to everyone moving
12:11in one direction.
12:12You get a little bit of that, but a little bit more help numbers wise on the front side
12:17of the play, that's pin and pull to work off of outside zone.
12:19So the fact they're hitting these different schemes matters because again, it gives them
12:23different answers.
12:24Now the other part about this was, you know, we know Alex van Pelt wants to play through
12:28a multi tight end sets.
12:30You saw this in crunch time at Tennessee, their last three plays at the end of regulation.
12:34Now again, you want a bigger body types.
12:36We talked about this last week, but that's when you find out who you are and what you're
12:40about and what you want to do and how you want to play.
12:43That's how Alex van Pelt wants to run offense.
12:45And the split between 11 personnel, three receivers and one tight end versus 12 personnel,
12:50two receivers and two tight ends was pretty close.
12:53But when you look at the production from those two different groupings, the success rate
12:57in 12 personnel has been higher virtually every single game.
13:01And this was no exception because they were running the ball with a 64% success rate from
13:07multiple, multiple tight ends.
13:09Again, the bottom line is if you don't like all these numbers, the bigger they are, the
13:13better they are.
13:14Okay.
13:15And it's not just because of that 64% success rate when they were running for multiple tight
13:19ends, but also the play action passes.
13:22Austin Hooper's 28 yarder, we just talked about the 24 yarder, which is another coverage
13:27of us.
13:28Thank you, Tyree Stevenson.
13:30Also from 12 personnel, again, this is how they want to play.
13:33Alex van Pelt's offense led the league in intended air yards last year, bulking up,
13:39running the ball, diversified run game off of that.
13:42We're going deep and that's it.
13:44That's what you saw here.
13:45Drake May didn't always pull the trigger and hasn't.
13:48And that's smart.
13:49That's some of the discipline you haven't seen from guys like Caleb Williams, frankly.
13:52But this was a reminder.
13:54This is how they want to play.
13:56Not just because they're ahead of the chains, not just because they're running the ball,
13:59but because they have the complements to their main stuff outside zone with inside zone and
14:04pin and pull as well as the play action shots off of that, which really it's cool that you
14:09can establish run and dominate the line scrimmage teams that get explosive plays, win games
14:14and ask the bears because they had zero and they lost big.
14:20We get deeper into the offense here.
14:22Not a great game for the skill position players.
14:24Here are the broken tackles broken down.
14:26Three for Mandre Stevenson, two for Antonio Gibson, two for Michael Hastie.
14:32That's it.
14:33None for the tight ends.
14:34None for the receivers.
14:35Everything that was there was by design and there was nothing really outside of structure
14:40except for Drake May.
14:41So his scrambles are limited and that's fine up front.
14:45Offensive tackles.
14:46Very good run blocking.
14:48Not as good in pass protection.
14:50Three pressures allowed for Baderian low.
14:52Three for Demontre Jacobs, Mike on when it also had a couple of hurries.
14:55One for Michael Jordan, the left guard, uh, none for Ben Brown, who was like, okay, but
14:59all told the biggest story for that offensive line.
15:02Not only was a continuity to half of a spent stories being like, Oh look, Mike on one is
15:06a left guard in practice.
15:07Uh, he wasn't during the game.
15:09It was that together they had some of their finest run blocking.
15:12That's what this game was about offensively because it was only 19 points, just one touchdown,
15:17but this was progress a million percent.
15:20And a lot of that progress, as we know, and if you've been listening is because they love
15:23to run behind Mike on when in key situations, they averaged 4.9 yards per carry going behind
15:29on when you directly on Sunday, they also went behind them on that fourth down and some
15:33of their pet plays when, okay, we'll load up the tight ends to one side, the left side
15:38away from on a window, and then we'll just go behind him because that gives him a one
15:41on one or him and Jacobs on one on one or two on two.
15:44Um, those aren't working as well, but when the chips are down, they're going behind 71.
15:48Okay.
15:49And that worked well enough.
15:50Now, again, the offensive tackles helped out a little bit, not so much in past protection.
15:54And it was really just the fact that they couldn't sync up the drives when they were
15:57running the ball effectively, which was really to start both of the halves with the drive
16:01where they were past protecting.
16:03Well, cause again, Drake may was under pressure about 35, 36% of the time.
16:07Not great.
16:08Okay.
16:09But what made up for that was a better field position, the explosive plays to Austin Hooper
16:13that we talked about and a couple of the case on booty who, again, you know, I've said you
16:19gotta show me more.
16:20You gotta show me more.
16:21The kid's doing it.
16:22Okay.
16:23The only people that played more snaps, the case on booty on Sunday, we're all five offensive
16:26linemen and Drake may that's it now, Hunter Henry, not reminder Stevenson, not Jalen Polk,
16:31not anybody.
16:32So he had the 23 yard catch.
16:35He's only two incompletions on six targets more than anybody else where these deep throws
16:38that we talked about a little bit risky for Drake may he's producing in a way that he's
16:43earning that opportunity, not only with the targets, but his total playing time.
16:48Other notes among the receivers, Mario Douglas got down to 42% of the offensive share in
16:55terms of playing time.
16:56Don't love that his lowest for the season and games that he's finished.
16:59We all understand why he's only in there in three receiver sets.
17:03Something that I've objected to, but despite that Alex Van Pelt is feeding him in a way.
17:08Thank God.
17:09And finally on screens, some trick plays that we've seen where it's just designer plays.
17:14We need to get our best yards after catch player in space with the ball.
17:16They're doing that.
17:17I am curious to see though, where his playing time goes from here because 42% is just too
17:22low.
17:23Now, why was that so low?
17:24Well, they rotated a lot at receiver.
17:26And when they were in 12 personnel, which was just under half the time, it was typically
17:30Jalen Polk in case on booty.
17:32When they go to 11 personnel with the three receivers, they often pulled Polk and it was
17:37booty.
17:38It was KJ Osborne and Mario Douglas.
17:41Now the next question is, okay, where's Kendrick born?
17:43And I tweeted about this.
17:44We will get to that at the end of the episode.
17:46I promise.
17:47Uh, speaking of the last receiver, the Javon Baker four snaps, I, I guess the point is
17:54to just get his feet wet and then say, you got his feet wet.
17:57He was not targeted.
17:58They're doing very little for him.
17:59It might just be a carrot to keep him involved and get his attention.
18:03I think him not playing basically at all on offense as a super explosive guy, 10 games
18:08into his career for a rebuilding team that is prioritizing playing time for the young
18:12players.
18:13And he still can't get me says everything you need to know about what's probably happening
18:16behind the scenes.
18:18This is nothing egregious or malicious.
18:20It's just to say that they're doing their best to hand him snaps and he just won't take
18:25it for whatever reason.
18:26So that's it.
18:27Uh, that was the offense.
18:2819 points.
18:29Not great.
18:30Running the ball.
18:31Better.
18:32Good.
18:33Drake may up and down.
18:34Uh, we'll have a little bit more.
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19:59The defense obviously ran the game in Chicago.
20:02Nine sacks.
20:03That was the headline, right?
20:04Well, here are some numbers on top of that.
20:06One yard.
20:08That is the total number of net passing yards that the Bears gained when the Patriots blitz,
20:14which they did 13 times.
20:16Meaning how many yards did you pass for?
20:18How many yards did you lose on sacks?
20:20When you do that very complicated math, the equation spits out the number one.
20:26That is the number of yards the Bears gained when the Patriots blitz.
20:30And again, 13 out of 41 dropbacks.
20:33Higher than normal.
20:34Somewhere in 30%.
20:36But it's not crazy amount.
20:39What was crazy was the coverage backing that.
20:41And when you go down the nine sacks, you go, okay, Keone White won pretty handily on his
20:45really quickly.
20:46Jelani Tavai won his one-on-one.
20:48Jeremiah Farms did initially, and then had to kind of clean up on the back end.
20:51Everything else was the coverage sack.
20:53It was cleaning up someone else's pressure.
20:55Whereas Caleb Williams, holding onto the ball way too freaking long.
20:59And not in the sense that like, oh, everyone's covered.
21:02I should force a throw.
21:03No, no, no.
21:04I'm not advocating that.
21:05Just throw the ball away.
21:07Do what Drake May did.
21:08Extend it a little bit.
21:09Granted, he only had two throwaways.
21:11But he had the same pressure rate, almost identical pressure rate to Caleb Williams.
21:15And Caleb Williams, because he just can't take off the Superman cape, was far worse
21:19than Drake May.
21:20Now, again, Chicago's a mess.
21:22It's terrible.
21:24The reason he also didn't have anyone open, and should have just checked it down and thrown
21:28it away, is because the Patriots played the stickiest man-to-man coverage.
21:31The highest rate of man-to-man coverage I think I've ever seen covering this team now,
21:35going toward the end of my seventh season.
21:3871% of their passing snaps, the Patriots were man-to-man coverage.
21:44This is first and 10.
21:45This is second and six.
21:46This is third and 12.
21:48They're saying, we're not afraid of Roma dudes.
21:51We don't really care about DJ Moore.
21:53Go nuts.
21:54Here's Del Pettis.
21:55Here's Marte Mappu.
21:56John Hawkins is going to be back there, but you're not really bothered by that.
21:59You just have to beat our guys one-on-one, and they could not.
22:04So that's where it starts.
22:06Because again, three of the nine sacks, when you go back and review them, are really, this
22:10guy won instantaneously.
22:11Oh, I forgot one.
22:12There was a scheme sack where Del Pettis came off the edge unblocked.
22:15So four out of the nine, fewer than half.
22:17Everything else, though, was really about coverage and quarterback play.
22:21And Christian Gonzalez didn't even shadow DJ Moore.
22:24He got help on one double from Jonathan Jones when the Bears were in plus territory.
22:28That was it.
22:29He stuck in the boundary, parked himself in the short side of the field.
22:32So the Bears can move their receivers.
22:33Gonzalez was there.
22:34And that basically forced the Bears to throw elsewhere.
22:37And you would think, well, yeah, Marcus Jones and Jonathan Jones, I like them, but the Bears
22:40should feel good about those matchups.
22:42Oh, no.
22:43They allowed a combined three catches in man-to-man coverage.
22:46Marcus Jones and Jonathan Jones did.
22:48Mind you, Jonathan Jones was also playing free safety with Jalen Hawkins.
22:52So this defense that said, we're just going to man up and you have to beat us, stood tall
22:57and again held not only Caleb Williams to three points and 69 net passing yards, fewer
23:04yards than the Bears got on the ground, okay, but held them to one yard.
23:09When they said, we're going to play man-to-man coverage and we're going to rush at least
23:12five at you.
23:13And let's see what you can do.
23:14And the answer was nothing.
23:16So a hat tip to DeMarcus Covington, a hat tip to Brendan Schooler, only played five
23:20snaps, but this cool quarter package, meaning they played seven defensive backs and they
23:26call it Longhorn, where he's the spy.
23:27He also got a sack.
23:28He did an excellent job balancing, okay, pressure versus am I just going to hang around, make
23:32sure he doesn't escape.
23:33You got two pressures, okay?
23:35That's more than most of the guys in the front seven had, even on the night where they had
23:39nine sacks.
23:40He had a sack and a quarterback hit.
23:41So good job by Brendan Schooler.
23:44Here's a pressure breakdown.
23:45Anthony Jennings, they had down for four pressures.
23:47Keon White had three.
23:48Dietrich Weiss had two.
23:49Bull Sacks.
23:50Schooler had two.
23:51Jelani Tabai, one.
23:52Jeremiah Farms, who balled out, had one.
23:54Pettis had a sack.
23:55Joe Giles Harris with a quarterback hit.
23:57And again, that's what this was about.
23:59It was saying, we're going to play man-to-man coverage.
24:01And up front, whether we're in base defense or in dime or in three-quarter nickel or quarter,
24:07whatever it is, we're going to play man and you have to beat us.
24:10And they couldn't do it.
24:11So that starts in the back.
24:13But again, Farms, who I mentioned, balled out.
24:15He had the sack.
24:16He had two run stuffs.
24:17And against the run, you know, again, the Bears got some decent gains in that first
24:21half.
24:22It wasn't like they went away from it.
24:23What happened was the only runs they really got were they would try this late motion with
24:27the tight end to create an extra gap on the outside, where teams are really trying to
24:31hammer the Patriots on the outside, right?
24:32Get Marco Wilson, get Jonathan Jones, get Marcus Jones involved in the run game.
24:37It's been successful.
24:38Tennessee ran for a lot of yards doing exactly that.
24:40But the only runs that Chicago really got were when they brought the tight end over
24:45and snapped it almost immediately to create an extra gap, and the Patriots just didn't
24:48shift over or adjust.
24:50Very fixable problem.
24:51And they did.
24:53And they stopped and held the Bears, 204 yards to carry, while they ran it up for 144 themselves.
24:58That said basically everything you need to know.
25:01But it was just a great, dominant overall game.
25:05And one last hat tip, because not only was a new father on Friday, I don't know if this
25:08is new dad strength, okay?
25:11Jelani Tavai, a sack, a pass deflection, playing off ball on the end, played 100% of the snaps.
25:18The only other guy to do that was Christian Gonzalez.
25:21So great job by him.
25:22Now, does he get a game ball?
25:23Because that's where we're at here in the episode.
25:24No, he does not.
25:27Maybe it's just because the guy went to Friends University and we don't talk about him at
25:30all.
25:31Jeremiah Farms Jr. gets a game ball from me.
25:33Again, you have to watch the tape.
25:34Not only is he destroying a double team to get under for one of his two run stuffs, and
25:39then getting a sack, and these effort plays, and holding up sometimes this very boring
25:43two gap, and his other snaps on Sunday.
25:47The guy's doing this down after down after down in different packages, and in a way that's
25:53completely overlooked.
25:54So for today, he gets a spotlight, first game ball to Jeremiah Farms Jr., the other one
25:57goes to the secondary.
25:58Again, it's hard to highlight one player, like you talk about the nine sacks.
26:03The guy's up front.
26:04Who gets more if you were a pass rusher?
26:07I can't pick one of the secondary.
26:09Christian Gonzalez gave up one catch, right at the start of the second half, 18 yarder,
26:13fine, whatever.
26:14Again, Jonathan Jones and Marcus Jones give up three combined in man to man coverage.
26:17Couple more aside from that, but the sifting the blame on zone coverage gets very messy
26:21very quickly.
26:22Anyway, they were outstanding.
26:24You would have bet a lot that the Bears receivers, we haven't even brought up Keenan Allen.
26:30That's because you know how Keenan Allen played.
26:31We hardly heard from him.
26:33Would have had an advantage on the Patriots corners, not named Christian Gonzalez.
26:36Well, they didn't.
26:37They all balled out.
26:38Awesome job by them.
26:39So what would NFL film say?
26:41Well, Patriots coming up that loss to Tennessee, Drake May making a name for himself.
26:46Well, what he's got to do is obviously step up to the plate in Chicago and go head to
26:51head with Cable Williams.
26:52The number one overall pick.
26:53I bet this segment, this part of our fictitious documentary documented Patriots 24 season,
26:59all in NFL films starts with a midweek press conference from Drake May, and he's talking
27:04about I've known Caleb Williams since high school, and we used to go to camps and this
27:07and that.
27:08You always get a little extra juice.
27:09This is the quote.
27:10When you go against a fellow rookie like that, well, boom, here we go.
27:15And I think they start with the big throw to Hooper, right?
27:19Because if you're going to talk about the quarterbacks and lead up to this game, you
27:21got to start some highlights.
27:22But then you get to the first Caleb Williams sack, which I think was on the second play
27:25of the game.
27:26If I have it in my notes correctly, then you get another Caleb Williams sack.
27:29Then you go to Drake May throwing that touchdown pass to Jalen Polk, and the pass are pulling
27:33ahead.
27:34And at some point, there's a line about the defense or the veterans, older players crashing
27:39the freshman's party.
27:40Because of course, we all know this game was about Patriots defense, and it sacks and it's
27:44a pass breakups.
27:45All the celebration on the sideline, you fast forward 19 to three, maybe like a Monsters
27:49of the Midway reference.
27:51But that's how NFL films documents this game.
27:53Heavy on the quarterbacks, then we pivot to the defense and a big celebration in the locker
27:57room.
27:58Because the Patriots are three and seven and an overtime away from being on a three game
28:02win streak.
28:03All right.
28:04Bail back.
28:05You got to start with our...
28:06I was going to say our guy, just go with our frog.
28:11Ice Frog says, quote, Hi, Andrew, winning two out of three now.
28:14Do you think a team identity is forming?
28:17Will Pats fans come out of the season feeling optimistic about Mayo and the trajectory?
28:20First of all, I need to stop you there.
28:24Maybe it's just from spending too much time on Twitter.
28:27I don't know what it would take for Pats fans to feel optimistic about Mayo.
28:30Granted, if they run the table and finish, would that be 10-7?
28:34Yes, everyone's on board.
28:35Nine and eight, eight and nine, seven and ten, probably, but they're in a bad place
28:40about their first year coach, who's made a lot of PR blunders, which we talked about
28:43way too much.
28:44So I have no idea how Pats fans are going to feel about Mayo.
28:47But the trajectory of the team's young talent, first of all, yes, an identity is forming.
28:52This is the diversified run game, heavy deep play action offense, paired with a defense
28:58that wants to play man-to-man, and will get a little bit creative with their pressures,
29:02and that's how they want to play.
29:04Man-on-man football.
29:05They don't have the talent to knock people back, but we can play a little bit tougher.
29:08We can play a little bit smarter.
29:09Oh, and I mentioned this earlier, didn't really get into the details on this.
29:13Jalen Polk's touchdown, another pass, by the way, play action pass from 12th personnel.
29:19When they're bigger, they're better.
29:22They have the run fake.
29:23He initially blocks down on a linebacker, okay, holds that for a good one to two seconds.
29:30The corner across from him, Tyreek Stevenson, again, basically gave up the Hail Mary, was
29:33taunting fans, all that.
29:35Looks at him, he goes, oh, okay, he's blocking.
29:37Then looks to where Reminder Stevenson went in the line.
29:41In that time, Polk leaks out into the flag.
29:43This was something he told me postgame.
29:45They circled and said, this is a weakness for them.
29:47Yeah, they get the third ranked red zone defense.
29:49That's cool.
29:50We know they're susceptible to this.
29:52Maybe it was just him.
29:53Okay, I don't know.
29:54But they cracked that defense in a key spot to give themselves a lead in that film study.
29:59That's being a smarter team.
30:01That's what they did to score there.
30:02So yes, I think that's our identity.
30:04How often can you live up to that?
30:06I mean, consistency is the hardest part of life, right?
30:09Not everyone wants to roll out of bed every single time at 6 a.m. if you're a runner,
30:12you do whatever, right?
30:14But that defines who you are.
30:15The Patriots surprised us on Sunday.
30:18They do it again.
30:21That's more consistency.
30:22That's closer to identity.
30:23That's when they can tell us who they are, as opposed to us telling them who they are,
30:27because so far we've been right, but a lot of season to go.
30:29All right.
30:30That took too long.
30:31Pat, quote, did the offensive performance versus the Bears provide positive indicators
30:36of development?
30:37Or is the whole team, quote, ass?
30:40Look, the Bears are ass.
30:44But again, when you set a season high for yards, you reestablish the run, you're hitting
30:52off a play action, getting close to things that I was telling you in the spring, this
30:55is how they want to play.
30:56This is what it's going to look like.
30:57We don't see that for two months, and it finally pops up.
30:59That has to be positive, right?
31:01Not just because you've won two out of three.
31:03The young quarterback's getting more experience.
31:05You finally settled on an offensive line.
31:07There are underlying things here driving the results that I think are sound enough that
31:11you can say that there are indicators of development.
31:15It doesn't mean that development is always going to be linear because growth is not.
31:19We all have our ups and downs, but if they're trending in the right direction, which they
31:22certainly have been the last three weeks, that is progress.
31:25And that's what we've seen here so far.
31:26With no promise of what comes tomorrow, but so far, yes, Pat.
31:28The answer is yes.
31:29Carlos.
31:30Hey, Andrew, what would you say Drake May did really well yesterday?
31:33He of course had eye-opening plays, but it didn't feel like an impressive day for the
31:37offense.
31:38The defense definitely impressed more.
31:40Thank you for your plight, Carlos.
31:43What would I say he did well?
31:44I've said this already, I'll reiterate it again.
31:47His pressure to sack ratio was 9.1%, okay?
31:50How often in life do you let bad situations get worse, Drake May?
31:53His answer is very rarely, which is great for a team that's dealing with a lot of bad
31:57situations.
31:58The other part, again, was the ball handling and the fakes on play action, which no one
32:03wants to go back and rewatch and study, but some of us do that for a living.
32:06So I will tell you, if you feel so inclined to watch the way that he's faking not only
32:10the handoff, but hiding the ball as he turns around, then identifies where he needs to
32:15go with the ball, this is all much better than it was a few weeks ago.
32:18It's a hell of a lot better than it was back in the summer, when again, I will remind folks,
32:23he was definitively, statistically, I test worse than Jacoby Brissett for the first three
32:29weeks of training camp.
32:30Not a huge knock on him, but was it killing him for it in training camp?
32:33Because training camp was training camp, but that's a real thing that happened.
32:36And it underscores how much growth he's made over the last few months.
32:38So anyway, those two answers, his response to pressure and the play action, we'll say
32:42it one more time, ball handling.
32:44Lawrence, hey Andrew, on the near interception of the end zone, was May playing the wind
32:50or did he just throw behind Henry?
32:52I feel like if I was a golf person, this is where I would say, oh, I'm always playing
32:56the wind on those shots that I hit into the woods, huh?
32:58I'm not, but he was not playing the woods.
33:00He just missed it.
33:01It was behind Henry.
33:03That was a, I don't want to say reckless throw because it was there and he just missed it,
33:07but you understand the situation.
33:08Hey, if we get a field goal here and they did, 16 to three is a big, because now it's
33:13a two touchdown game versus a two possession game.
33:15Had they turned the ball over, whether you believe in momentum or not, can't turn the
33:19ball over there.
33:20Need some points.
33:21They almost came up empty because of that near pick.
33:25He was not playing the wind.
33:26They were playing within wind.
33:27I think you can factor that, how much, I don't know, but no, he just missed it.
33:32That's what happened.
33:33Ed, quote, what are you liking about Pat's games these days?
33:36That is, you know, I prepared this list of questions to read and Ed, I did not prepare
33:42a great answer for you.
33:43I will tell you, I love that.
33:45I like that there's football.
33:46I like that there's a young quarterback that we all get to study and learn about together
33:50and not just us on the outside, right?
33:52Like the biggest story aside from the defense and the nine sacks to come out of Sunday was
33:58the speech he gave after Wednesday's practice and just stood up in front of the offense
34:01after asking Alex Van Pelt, can I stand up in front of the offense and saying that wasn't
34:05good enough?
34:06We got to be better.
34:07None of his teammates knew he was going to do that.
34:10He hadn't done that yet.
34:11I didn't know he had done that until Sunday when all the teammates are talking about it.
34:14Now granted, if they had more penalties and lost or it was a close game where they won
34:19just like 10 to nine, is as big of a story.
34:21No, probably not.
34:23But I love learning about that kid because the more that I learned, the more that I love
34:27and said in a very professional sense, but you get what I mean?
34:29Like this is may is the story.
34:31He's the reason for hope.
34:32He is the season right now and slowly he's taking over the team.
34:35So there are more fun stuff and you know, charting the Patriots are in one cross or
34:39they're playing one robber and this is how much they're blitzing and playing man coverage.
34:42Like I still enjoy that.
34:43But Drake may, I think is the answer for everybody, whether you go big picture or granular.
34:47So that's my answer to a few more just here for Patriots updates.
34:54My man says for your ramps preview, this man loves to get into the details.
34:57What is your run slash pass percentage verse and Fisk for the Rams are explosive, but they
35:03do look like they struggle and run defense to very good pass rushers.
35:06It's going to be a short week for the Rams.
35:07I'm interested to see if the patch try and out physical the Rams for a low score win.
35:11So they're still playing as I record right now.
35:14And again, I was hate watching that game was watching for work to be clear.
35:18Like these are the Patriots next to opponents.
35:19It's good.
35:20We should all watch.
35:21We should all watch games like that on a Monday in May.
35:25But I do think your point about trying to wear in the Rams physically, okay, it will
35:30be week 11.
35:32They'll be coming off of a short week.
35:33The cross country flight are all really important.
35:37Now, you can't wear on the Rams.
35:39If you give up control of the game and let's say have a pick six or you muff up a punt
35:43and they recover and you're down to nothing, right?
35:45Because then they control, they dictate to you how they're going to play, run, play action,
35:50drop back, pass, whatever it is.
35:52So the Patriots still need to start fast in a way that they did against Chicago.
35:56Then you can lean on them, right?
35:58So that first part is key.
35:59I wouldn't just jump into, Oh, we want to have the 60, 40 run split.
36:02I don't know what it will be, but I will tell you, you know, the first down percentage,
36:06first down run rate that I mentioned, I think they would love to get to that 68% again,
36:10and especially have the success rate again, how often on first down 40% of the yards gained
36:16or more, are you getting above that?
36:17We'll keep it short.
36:18Is it four yards or more?
36:19They did that almost three quarters of the time.
36:22Yes.
36:23They would love those percentages as far as Sunday against the Rams.
36:26We'll see.
36:27Gary, Gary, Gary getting funny on a scale of one to Alanis Morissette.
36:33How ironic is it that Bill Belichick may have actually found not one, but two NFL wide receivers
36:37in the draft on his way out the door.
36:39So Keyshawn Booty and DeMar Douglas, I, first of all, I love the question.
36:44Second of all, it's, it's, I think his name is Jeff.
36:48I think Jeff is going to kill me for saying it's still too early about Keyshawn Booty.
36:51And I get that he's playing 97% of the snaps and he's got a team high in targets and yada
36:56yada.
36:57I am just curious where he would fit into like a normal receiving core of the NFL.
37:00That being said, uh, I will sign off on pop Douglas being a legit NFL receiver.
37:04As far as the irony, I'm trying to think of a, an Alanis album name.
37:10That's not, um, I mean like, you know, greatest hits, but it's up there.
37:15It's closer to Alanis than it is to one, a man who struggled to do this.
37:18Most of his legendary hall of fame, all time, best coach ever career finally does it.
37:23And now he can't get to watch it and enjoy them.
37:26Dave, will you start posting on blue sky?
37:28Uh, yes, Dave, that is on my list for this week.
37:31And uh, you know, folks who are very loyal to Twitter or Facebook or this, I would just
37:34say look, really, we could all be in a bunch of places, not leaving X, not leaving Twitter.
37:39I am going to try to grow more of a following there and different platforms.
37:43I've not done a great job of that.
37:44My personal YouTube channel, but subscribe anyway, because all these episodes are up
37:48there.
37:49I will be on blue sky.
37:50How quickly?
37:51I don't know.
37:52But, uh, I will post elsewhere so that you know when that happens.
37:55Kenny V quote, what was the logic behind sidelining Kendrick Bourne in favor of KG Osborne statistically
38:01Bourne has caught more balls thrown his way and has fewer drops and is under contract
38:04beyond 2025.
38:05It would seem to make sense that he gets the veteran steps.
38:08So Kenny, I will answer your question by starting right here in this office at 6am
38:16on Saturday, because this is the start of travel tales and, um, you'll see why this
38:20makes sense in a second.
38:21So travel tales, this is where away games, I take you a little bit behind the scenes.
38:24I did this as a one-off overwhelmingly positive feedback.
38:28And so we're going to keep doing it even when it's like a fairly tame weekend, which was
38:31this weekend.
38:32So I wake up at, uh, five, like I dug, Kai picks me up very kindly drives us both to
38:38Logan flight at seven, go out to Chicago, land Uber to the hotel.
38:42I had not been to Chicago, uh, since 2018 Patriots played the bears 38 to 24, uh, any
38:48game they won in their last Superbowl season, Cordo Patterson had a kick return, touchdown
38:53Adrian Claiborne ran behind the quarterback a million times because Mr. Biscay shredded
38:56the Patriots for a while.
38:58Anyway, I'm looking forward to Chicago because we are staying right downtown.
39:02It's a river North area.
39:04And because we got into early, the room's not ready yet.
39:06So Doug and I get a workout in about an hour at the room room at that point for us is ready
39:11change.
39:12Good to go.
39:13We're going to go to a beef sandwich.
39:14We're going to walk around, see the beam, Millennium park, Navy pier, meet up with some
39:18other beat guys.
39:19We're landing around three to 4.
39:20PM.
39:21And then I get a text from someone asking me why Kendrick's not playing this weekend.
39:27And this person is close with Kendrick and I'm going, well, that's information to me.
39:33So I call and learn from them that Kendrick, that I tweeted this out Sunday, uh, had recently
39:39been told, Hey, you are not going to play in all likelihood on Sunday.
39:46And there was a chance he was even going to be inactive.
39:49And obviously everyone knows the Patriots are trying to play more.
39:52Jalen Polk, DeMario Douglas, Keyshawn Booty, Jamon Baker receivers in their first or second
39:56season board also was coming off of a game in which he ran to come back routes.
40:00As we talked about on this podcast, short of the sticks, including one on third down
40:04that forced the Patriots to punt details, you just can't have the week before he had
40:08two drops.
40:09That being said, the same guy and Kenny, you just rattled off some stats.
40:14Here's a stat Kendrick had played 78% of the snaps at Tennessee.
40:18He played 78% of the snaps against the jets and he was the second leading receiver against
40:22the Titans.
40:23So it does feel like it came out of left field, but he was told right up front by the staff.
40:27This is our plan.
40:28This is what we feel like.
40:29And it was part performance in part that they're just trying to develop the young kids.
40:33And so I obviously with this tip, start writing a story, draft a tweet.
40:37And Doug and I are sitting in the hotel room like, okay, see if you can confirm this to
40:41get it from somebody else because you're not just going to run with one person.
40:45Stuff can get lost in translation.
40:46Stuff is just rumor.
40:47Okay.
40:48You got to nail it down.
40:49So we sit there with plans to go see Chicago and do all these things for 30 minutes and
40:53then 60 minutes and then 90 minutes.
40:56And at that point he goes, Doug does to go meet a friend, not hearing back from anyone
41:00else.
41:01Follow up with the first person.
41:02They don't have much more.
41:03And so I had this story written, put it on my phone and say, okay, it's about three o'clock
41:06now.
41:07We've door dashed our beef sandwich that we were supposed to go out and get and watching
41:10the end of Miami Georgia tech and nothing happens.
41:13And so fast forward to the game, a couple more details going around town here in a second.
41:18Kendrick is not playing follow up with my original source and say, Hey, this is, this
41:25is going out.
41:26Like this is what he was told.
41:28Can you confirm that this person has been very reliable for me, uh, over the years known
41:32Kendrick a long time.
41:33And so I told you what I knew and what I could say for certain at that point with a little
41:38bit more confirmation from that person.
41:40So that's what went out.
41:41He did not play.
41:43And this is the editorial part for me is to say that, look, everyone understands what's
41:48going on in that building.
41:50They're rebuilding.
41:51You're going to play with the young kids and KJ Osborne was someone that they shopped.
41:54Couldn't deal.
41:56Tennessee does not play us now.
41:57And that's someone that Alex Van Pelt has told us he appreciates most as being a professional
42:02in that room.
42:03And as much as they're going to play the kids, they need the kids that grow up at the same
42:06time.
42:07So they value the staff does guys like Osborne being professional on a day-to-day basis,
42:12but at some point lose buy-in from veterans who are not playing, who are not here, who
42:17are losing a lot of games if they don't get a little reward.
42:20So my bet, my editorial, my opinion here is that they said, okay, the way Kendrick's
42:27come down with the route details and recent drops, KJ will kind of throw you a bone here.
42:33If it's close, Ty will go to KJ.
42:34He just said, Kendrick, we know you're bought in.
42:37We know you're under contract.
42:38We know you're going to be cheerleader number one on the sidelines, even if you think this
42:41sucks because that's the kind of guy you are.
42:43You will sit this week and you'll be receiver number six.
42:46And again, there was a period where I thought he might be inactive on Sunday.
42:49He was not.
42:50They kept them on the active roster, but for all intents and purposes, he was inactive
42:53on game day.
42:54Cause he didn't play a single step moving forward.
42:57I would not be surprised just guessing that they might choose to alternate born and Osborne
43:03because we know tomorrow, Douglas is going to play Cajun booty is going to play.
43:06Jalen Polk is going to play and they're really trying to get snaps on Baker, but this is
43:11an offense that still wants to play mostly with two receivers and two tight ends.
43:14So there are only so many snaps that can go around and take one Thornton's walking around
43:17somewhere.
43:18So that's not a whole lot of room for one veteran.
43:21Who's not asserting himself to say these snaps are mine.
43:24I deserve them.
43:25You're playing better with me.
43:26Neither of those guys born or Osborne has done that.
43:28So that's my thought on them moving forward.
43:30We'll see.
43:31I would not have made the switch for the record going from born to Osborne.
43:37But I think if the guys put in the work and they think they'll get similar production,
43:40that's where you start to play games a little bit more because their most important part
43:44is to give more snaps to Polk, booty and Douglas.
43:46All guys who were younger than 25 and in their first or second year in the league.
43:50All right, so I leave.
43:51I got the story on my phone in case somebody gets back to me, ready to hit publish, ready
43:55to tweak at the graphic, all those things doesn't happen.
43:58Instead, leave the hotel, go out closer towards the bean in Millennium Park plan is later
44:05see a friend from from home or not from home from a small newspaper I used to work on Pennsylvania
44:1112 years ago and his uncle, the late Doug Buffon, is like a Bears legend.
44:15Basically, they're souped up version of zone that he played and had the franchise record
44:21for interceptions for guys who played linebacker then did radio and becomes this kind of like
44:25local legend in that way is more part of the media is more of the very loose analogy that
44:29we just had there anyway.
44:32He's in town.
44:33I want to see him.
44:34Haven't seen him for years.
44:35Stop it.
44:36Chicago Brewhouse.
44:37Shout out my guy who came over to say hello.
44:38I'm sitting with someone in the UConn shirt.
44:39Appreciate you saying hello, watching into Miami Georgia Tech there and still checking
44:43the phone.
44:44See if anyone's gonna hit me up.
44:45Doesn't happen.
44:46See the bean.
44:47Love being around the river, by the way.
44:49I don't know what it is about the city.
44:51Maybe he's living in Boston.
44:52The thing that struck me most was probably the stupidest thing that I'll say in this
44:56podcast.
44:57Damn, Chicago's tall like the architecture along the river is all very different.
45:01The details in the buildings is cool.
45:03And this is, again, person who's not been to Chicago in seven years, only been three
45:06times in their life.
45:08Not really getting into the weeds here, but just a very, very different look and vibe
45:14and atmosphere to kind of like the heart of a city.
45:16So love money and park bounce around beer to hear their zip all the way out back close
45:21to O'Hare to meet my friend at the Murray Brothers Caddyshack in Rosemont.
45:26It's attached to a crown plaza.
45:27It's basically like a hotel restaurant, but great to see him.
45:30We were back.
45:31Meet up with Doug, the guys from MassLive, Mark Daniels and Chris Mason headquarters
45:35beercade.
45:37If you are going to Chicago and like me and have not been there in multiple years, go
45:40to headquarters, beercade, play NFL Blitz 99.
45:44Have one hell of a time.
45:45Do not play darts with Chris Mason, who is a dart shark.
45:50He just blew everyone out of the water.
45:53Anyway, we're out there till like midnight, 1230.
45:56Get up early.
45:57Uber to Soldier Field, for my money, the weirdest stadium, not just because of the look.
46:01And we talked about this last week.
46:02Alien ship just descended and dropped on a Roman temple.
46:05Turns out there's hardly any parking.
46:08People don't really tarragate around there.
46:09Our Uber dropped us off at the downslope of an off ramp.
46:13You have to get out and walk here.
46:15Oh, OK.
46:16Did enjoy the atmosphere in there.
46:18Met and saw my friend again, who's basically connected to kind of bears royalty and good
46:23to catch up with him.
46:24And the Patriots won.
46:25So that was it.
46:26I've been watching films since in Chicago, back home.
46:30This is the end of the podcast.
46:31Hope that gave you some more information.
46:32We will be back as always later this week with a guest.
46:35This is TBD.
46:36In the meantime, if you're still listening this long, drop us a review, man.
46:39We're collecting dust over there in Apple.
46:41OK.
46:42Five stars.
46:43A little bit of feedback or email me a call.
46:44I had a Boston Herald.
46:45But really, we want the ratings, the reviews.
46:46Thank you for listening.
46:47We'll be back later this week.
46:48And I hope you enjoyed your victory.