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In a solo episode, Andrew goes inside the locker room after the Patriots loss at Miami and breaks down all of his Pats-Dolphins film notes. Later, he answers your mailbag questions on the Patriots' offseason plans, how to divide blame for the coaching staff and more, plus What Would NFL Films Say.

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00:00:00Okay, so for those of you who remember about six weeks ago, maybe seven, eight, the line
00:00:20that I used to mutely argue against Drake May starting behind this offensive line was
00:00:25just, can we do better?
00:00:27Can the Patriots do better than the worst pass protection in the NFL?
00:00:32First of all, the answer was no.
00:00:34Second of all, the answer was Callahan, you're crazy.
00:00:36This kid's even better than you think.
00:00:38And thank God for Drake May because I don't know what else we would be talking about this
00:00:42season.
00:00:43But when I think about what the Patriots are doing and what they've done, specifically
00:00:47Sunday, 34 to 15 in Miami, another just complete meltdown against the Dolphins in South Florida.
00:00:52Like just, this should just be angry quit and Sim to the end of all these Patriots games
00:00:57when they play down there is, can they do better than 13 penalties?
00:01:02Can they do better than a 31 to nothing deficit?
00:01:05Can they do better than being a bottom five team on offense and on defense by DV away?
00:01:12And that was before kickoff because there were five games left.
00:01:15And I get that they're rebuilding.
00:01:16We've talked about this for months and months and months and months and months and months
00:01:19and months.
00:01:20And I get that the roster stinks and I get that the coaching is new and you get a rookie,
00:01:23a quarterback and a head coach and defensive coordinator.
00:01:25And really, if we're being honest, offensive coordinator, but can we do better than what
00:01:29we saw on Sunday?
00:01:31Because for all the progress they had shown in the near misses against the Titans and
00:01:34the Rams and the wins that we've had in between here and there to kind of uplift them, right?
00:01:38Chicago is great.
00:01:39The Jets was good.
00:01:40Cincinnati.
00:01:41Oh my God.
00:01:42How long ago does that feel?
00:01:43This was a bigger step in any direction than any one of those, because this is the game
00:01:48the Patriots should have been competitive in.
00:01:50And it took all of, I don't know, 20 minutes to realize, oh, this is over.
00:01:55Like this isn't, this isn't even close.
00:01:57This isn't just talent.
00:01:58This isn't even just coaching.
00:01:59It's organization of just your defense and then your offense knowing when to move backwards
00:02:04at the snap or when not to, because they couldn't get that down six pre-snap penalties in the
00:02:09first half.
00:02:10Now, you've probably heard a lot of pitching along those lines since that game ended.
00:02:14And if you finished watching, God bless what we're going to do here today is what we do
00:02:18every single Monday night.
00:02:19And it's break down the game, whether it was 13 penalties or not.
00:02:23Also going to have for you, we need to talk in place of the game balls.
00:02:26They lost Patriots win.
00:02:27We give game balls.
00:02:28We don't.
00:02:29We sit them down like we're about to break up with them and say, Hey, get your shit together.
00:02:33Then what would NFL film say?
00:02:35Mailbag and travel tales.
00:02:37But the reason I start asking, can they just do better is for the same reason I wrote my
00:02:42column after the game going, okay, what matters here?
00:02:46What's what's, what's the takeaway here, right?
00:02:49I'm just, to be completely honest, tired of doing the Patriots got out coach column.
00:02:56You could have very easily done one of those down in Miami.
00:02:58It was waiting there.
00:02:59Just grab me, write me.
00:03:01Here's the pen.
00:03:02Here's the paper.
00:03:03There it is.
00:03:04Didn't want to do that anymore.
00:03:05What's important now are the next five games, because as dried mayo said today on a conference
00:03:09call with reporters, I wasn't on his flying.
00:03:13We're all being evaluated.
00:03:15And it's hard to think if the Patriots continue to lay eggs, like they did in Miami and finished
00:03:19three and 14 with games like that, that when Gerard Mayo says, we, we're all being evaluated.
00:03:26That doesn't include him because who else would you blame for a lack of discipline being
00:03:31top 10 penalties and has had bottom five and offense and defense, but the head coach, cause
00:03:36no one's playing with the rookie quarterback, even though he had a game and we'll get to
00:03:39him in a second, but they need to show progress.
00:03:42These next five games, they don't need to win a certain amount of games.
00:03:45It needs to be better.
00:03:47And every single one of those games when we saw Miami, because this should be rock bottom.
00:03:51I don't know if it is, but man, it felt like that.
00:03:54And not because it was 34 to 15, but because it was 31 to nothing early in the fourth quarter.
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00:05:37We're going to start here.
00:05:39Not his best game.
00:05:41Not certainly a game anyone is going to crush him for, especially when he gets them on the
00:05:45board throwing a 38 yard touchdown pass on an extended play on fourth and 15 and gets
00:05:52absolutely demolished.
00:05:53I think this is the part that people have been missing about this play.
00:05:55Yeah.
00:05:56It's cool.
00:05:57He was scrambled to his right.
00:05:58Yeah.
00:05:59That's awesome.
00:06:00He threw across his body, standing at 50 yard line, found Austin Hooper and a sea of nothingness
00:06:02because no one was around him.
00:06:04He got killed at the end of that and knew he was going to on fourth and 15 and still
00:06:09converted, still scored, had tip to Drake may overall though, uh, 22 or 37, 222 yards
00:06:17touchdown, a pick his adjusted completion percentage.
00:06:20So this is courtesy of PFF basically just says how accurate were you, right?
00:06:24Okay.
00:06:25In May's case, it was 64.7%.
00:06:27Forget the spikes, forget the throwaways.
00:06:30He was accurate 64.7% of the time.
00:06:33Extra pressure, four of 10, 66 yards, touchdown, a pick four sacks.
00:06:39Believe me, we are going to get to the offensive line against the blitz.
00:06:43Didn't see a ton of this two or five for 19 yards a sack and for rushing guards and scramble.
00:06:48He scrambled to other times, not against the blitz.
00:06:51The number that I want to bring up though, and I'm going to hit it and then we're going
00:06:54to go backwards and you'll, you'll see why in a second is one completion longer than
00:06:5920 yards downfield.
00:07:00It was that exact play.
00:07:01Okay.
00:07:03Extended play.
00:07:04Awesome.
00:07:05Hooper, please catch this.
00:07:06I'm throwing this with my entire body.
00:07:07That was one of two deep completions Drake may has had in the last five weeks.
00:07:13That's why I'm, I'm not concerned.
00:07:15I'm not worried.
00:07:16I'm not like looking over my shoulder, but it's something I want to keep an eye on.
00:07:19And we've talked about this before.
00:07:21This is the part where we now go backwards is we, however you felt about Drake Mays game.
00:07:27It was great.
00:07:28It was bad.
00:07:29It was somewhere in between.
00:07:31It's just a matter of fact that it is difficult to evaluate any player, any quarterback under
00:07:35circumstances like those.
00:07:37Let's review.
00:07:38Okay.
00:07:39His teammates put him behind the chains again with seven offensive penalties in the first
00:07:43half.
00:07:44Okay.
00:07:45Five were pre-snap.
00:07:46They had six completions in the first half.
00:07:47Again, that's six completions to seven first half penalties.
00:07:51Couple were declined.
00:07:52Lucky for them.
00:07:53Okay.
00:07:54You cannot play offense like that, especially considering the margin of error that the Patriots
00:07:58did.
00:07:59Drake May had to.
00:08:00He had to get him 80 yards on that second drive.
00:08:02That leads to a field goal.
00:08:03Tim Joey's line misses, whatever.
00:08:04Then they go three and out to the end of the half, kneel it down and that's it.
00:08:08As that's all going on, he's feeling pressure on more than a third of his drop backs.
00:08:11Okay.
00:08:12And then by the time you get to the second half, you get a chance to breathe and go,
00:08:15what are we going to do on the scoreboard says 24 to nothing.
00:08:18So what your plan is, is to basically throw against the defense that knows you're not
00:08:21going to run.
00:08:22You're not going to run play action.
00:08:23If you do, we don't care because we know it's a fake.
00:08:25We know it's play action.
00:08:26And so, yes, he was less accurate than the previous two starts.
00:08:30And he had a on target pass fewer than 65% of the time and two bad turnovers, which the
00:08:35guy leads the league in turnover worthy play percentage.
00:08:38So whether the picks are caught or the fumbles are recovered or not, he's having more of
00:08:42those plays than anybody else.
00:08:45The concern for me is not that number.
00:08:48And it's not just because he's a rookie.
00:08:49It's because some of those are just, I don't think he's going to replicate many of those
00:08:52picks that we saw in Chicago where he claims he was trying to throw it away.
00:08:56I have my doubts.
00:08:57But either way, that's you touching the stove and go, oh, that's hot.
00:09:01I won't touch it again.
00:09:02That's not going to happen again.
00:09:03Plays like that in Chicago.
00:09:04What could happen though, to go back to the concern here is Drake May playing hero ball.
00:09:11Because we talked a lot about his footwork as a prospect when he gets drafted, talk about
00:09:16a training camp.
00:09:17All of that, frankly, was a lot of hot air and a lot of wasted breath.
00:09:21What was not though, was the discipline he showed at times in the preseason, early on
00:09:26this year, and really the last three, four starts when the Patriots needed more from
00:09:30him.
00:09:31But he continued to take instead of not just, let me run as far as possible, let me throw
00:09:35this as far as possible.
00:09:36Let me fit it in that tight window, even though this is likely to be a pick, or at the very
00:09:40least is a tiny low percentage throw.
00:09:42He took a profit.
00:09:44You started to see less and less of that in Miami, and especially as the game went on.
00:09:48Which granted, Patriots didn't need to flip a profit very small.
00:09:53They needed lottery tickets to hit as soon as possible.
00:09:56If you needed to make money gambling all in one day, let's say $10,000, you are not just
00:10:01doing the plus 100 bets all the way to the money that you need.
00:10:05No, you're probably filing some ridiculous parlays, or you're playing prize picks.
00:10:09Ideally, you're playing prize picks.
00:10:11But the point is, I don't want to see games like Sunday, where the Patriots fall behind,
00:10:16where the Patriots can't protect him, where the Patriots are taking penalties, and May
00:10:21says, okay, here we go again.
00:10:22This is college all over again.
00:10:23I need to be the hero, because that's how he gets dragged back into bad habits.
00:10:27I'm not saying it's happening yet, but I'm saying we've had a couple of games now where
00:10:31you and I both watch and go, he's the best player in the field.
00:10:33If we can see that, me and the press box, and you on your couch at home, or wherever
00:10:38the hell you're watching these games, or at the end, hopefully not, he absolutely feels
00:10:43that and feels emboldened to try bolder things.
00:10:46Which again, the game's grip might warrant, but over time, he's building habits, and those
00:10:51habits are either going to make or break him as an NFL quarterback, and that's what
00:10:55the Patriots are trying to do now, with their quarterback, with their culture, with all
00:11:00of their young players.
00:11:01These games are important, as much for the winning now, as it is to build for the future.
00:11:05If what he's learning now, in efforts to win, are unhealthy habits, risking the deeper throws,
00:11:12not taking the profits in front of him, okay, then that's a problem, because the best quarterbacks
00:11:17are not just the ones that can make the big, crazy highlight plays.
00:11:20The 38-yard touchdown across the body from the 50-yard line, all the way to Austin Hooper.
00:11:25It's the one skit that can make the precise throws that Tua was making all day long.
00:11:31Just keep an eye on that.
00:11:32I don't want Drake May leading the NFL in turnover-worthy plays for much longer.
00:11:36I do not want Drake May looking like the last quarterback we saw in bad spurts in North
00:11:40Carolina.
00:11:41I want the Drake May we saw for the six starts before this one, and go, yeah, the kid's got
00:11:47it.
00:11:48He's all right.
00:11:49Number two, going back to the number, about concerns about what this game was, one completion,
00:11:53one deep completion, the Hooper touchdown, we've mentioned it like 10 times already.
00:11:58That's one of two deep completions he has in his last five starts.
00:12:00When you look at his first two starts, okay, so first two starts, 84 dropbacks.
00:12:06He had four deep completions in those two starts and 84 dropbacks.
00:12:09He's had 184 since then, and half as many deep completions.
00:12:13What does this say?
00:12:14Number one, it's defenses are adjusting, and it's not just that they're playing more zone
00:12:19against him, which is something Mike McDaniel, the Dolphins head coach, hit on after the
00:12:21game, saying, hey, it really helps when you're a quarterback, and you can run around because
00:12:26you can punish defenses playing man coverage or two-man, which is just two deep safeties,
00:12:31man underneath, okay, because that's where they're vulnerable, right?
00:12:34Everyone else is worried about their receiver, their man, whomever they're covering.
00:12:37No one's watching the quarterback.
00:12:38He takes off.
00:12:39So defenses are playing more zone coverage against the Patriots to prevent Drake May
00:12:44from scrambling because all eyes are on him.
00:12:46I'm in zone.
00:12:47I'm where I need to be.
00:12:49Where's the quarterback?
00:12:50In case he throws it to me, I'll be ready.
00:12:51If he doesn't, I can at least drift in that direction.
00:12:53Number two, they're playing more zone to protect against these deep passes, and what this does
00:12:58in the way that you saw the Dolphins sit back and play a ton of zone, I think it was over
00:13:0275% on Sunday, which is also sometimes just how they want to play defense, is when you
00:13:07short circuit Drake May's ability to throw deep and you short circuit his ability to
00:13:14scramble.
00:13:17That's not only short circuiting all the ways he has to generate explosive plays, it's stopping
00:13:23every avenue for the Patriots to have any explosive plays.
00:13:26This is not an explosive run game, okay?
00:13:28This is three, four, five, if we're lucky, yards in a cloud of dust run game.
00:13:32This is not an explosive receiving core, yards after catch offense like you saw in Miami.
00:13:37This is we need the kid to come through, and when they're playing more defense, they're
00:13:41playing more zone, they're playing more too deep zone, and still stopping the run.
00:13:45There's really not much more he can do except to extend plays and take the risks that sometimes
00:13:51pay off in a big touchdown in the fourth quarter that makes all of us go, wow.
00:13:54In other instances, leads to his strip sack, where he's got five fumbles down, that's more
00:13:58than anyone else on the team, and more than most people in football, and throwing that
00:14:02lollipop interception, which was a great play by that Dolphins defensive lineman whose name
00:14:06is completely escaping me right now, but you watch and go, oh no, oh no, no, no, no, oh,
00:14:10and that's why he can't make that throw, because it lost the game, and the game was probably
00:14:14lost, but you can't have any more of those plays, and we've seen plenty of them in the
00:14:18fourth quarter from Drake May, so not totally worried, getting a little bit closer, Patriots
00:14:24need to do better around him, and he won't feel the compulsion to do this over and over
00:14:28again in the fourth quarter and build him out.
00:14:30All right, enough about Drake.
00:14:32Critical areas, if you read my film reviews, please do with the Boston Herald, we would
00:14:35love for you to read our content, the Boston Herald.
00:14:38You know, I break down five critical areas that pretty much determine every single football
00:14:43game.
00:14:44They're as follows.
00:14:45Turnovers, Patriots lost this 2-1.
00:14:47Explosive play rate, Patriots 8.2%, Dolphins 7.5, and people have differing definitions
00:14:54of explosive plays.
00:14:55Is it just every play beyond 15 yards?
00:14:58Is it passes that are 20 yards or more, runs that are 12?
00:15:01That second definition is mine, so the Patriots are close there.
00:15:04They were behind in success rate, 36%.
00:15:07Dolphins are 46%.
00:15:08How often are you just staying on schedule ahead of the chains?
00:15:10Red zone efficiency, Patriots didn't get to the red zone once, okay?
00:15:15That's a problem.
00:15:16The Dolphins, meanwhile, three or four.
00:15:19Pressure rate, this is the last one of the five critical areas, Patriots 14.2%, Dolphins
00:15:2434.7, okay?
00:15:28So not overwhelming, not the worst that Drake May has seen, but bad enough, and almost triple
00:15:33what the Patriots were providing.
00:15:35Those were the differences.
00:15:36How are you affecting the other quarterback?
00:15:38How often are you getting inside the 20, and what are you doing?
00:15:41That's how you get to 34 and 15, but staying with the offense.
00:15:44So Alex Van Pelt comes out with this script in the first two drives, and I went, oh, oh.
00:15:52Alex is reaching deep into his bag of trips here.
00:15:56Patriots' first 13 plays, which again, second drive is 10 plays, 80 yards, no points because
00:16:01Joey Slade missed a field goal.
00:16:02In these 13 plays, Alex Van Pelt had five different personnel groupings, and I'm not
00:16:06just talking, oh, they swept out a receiver, that's a different personnel grouping.
00:16:10I'm talking about 11 personnel with three receivers, I'm talking about 21 personnel
00:16:13with two backs and one tight end, 12 personnel, one back, two tight ends.
00:16:17You got 13 personnel in there for a second, one back, three tight ends, and then an unbalanced
00:16:24set with six offensive linemen.
00:16:25Alex Van Pelt was going, I want to see what you, Miami, do with all this different stuff,
00:16:30and he kind of got an answer, and he kind of didn't, because in the process of those
00:16:3313 plays, his players are going, you don't want to be fun, let's take four penalties
00:16:39real quick, let's go backwards, let's do the, I can do this the hard way challenge.
00:16:45So the Patriots threw the kitchen sink at Miami, they dodged it, and the Patriots had
00:16:49nothing else left.
00:16:50And so Van Pelt wanted to play this game with multiple tight ends and multiple backs, which
00:16:54again, was 10 of their first 13 plays, all those different groupings, most of them had
00:16:58multiple tight ends and multiple backs.
00:17:00But it didn't matter, because after that, they go three now.
00:17:03And after that, Drake May is getting sacked and strip sacked, because Vannarian Lowe and
00:17:07DeMondre Jacobs, for the third week in a row, maybe fourth, I have to double check, are
00:17:11each giving up at least three pressures, and in Lowe's case, taking four penalties, which
00:17:15again, I promise, I promise, I promise, we're getting to the offensive line.
00:17:20And because they fall behind, Van Pelt has to lean into more three receiver sets.
00:17:24Now granted, he eventually goes, as we've talked about before, in critical situations,
00:17:28this is how the man wants to play offense.
00:17:30You look at that fourth and 15 snap, Patriots were not in 11 personnel, three receivers,
00:17:35they were in 12 with two tight ends.
00:17:37Lo and behold, one catches that pass from Greg May for a touchdown, as we've documented
00:17:41now, 11 billion times.
00:17:43But the point is, because they were behind, because they needed to throw, Van Pelt goes
00:17:47to more 11 personnel.
00:17:49And in that situation, the receivers cannot separate, and didn't, and their offensive
00:17:54line cannot pass protect.
00:17:55And you start to see Van Pelt try to work around one of those problems, being the pass
00:17:59protection.
00:18:00You saw it on the third and 16 run in the first half, at the end of that second drive.
00:18:04You saw it again on that gross double pass, from Kendrick Bourne to the feet of Romandre
00:18:09Stephenson, actually the grass in front of the feet of Romandre Stephenson, okay, in
00:18:13the second, when they're facing third and 17.
00:18:15And granted, okay, the odds of converting third and 17 are six, nine, nice, 13%.
00:18:23I don't know.
00:18:24They're not great.
00:18:25Some people were insanely upset, as they tend to be on social media about that pass.
00:18:29I didn't mind it.
00:18:30But what that play call said is less about Kendrick Bourne throwing, or we think we can
00:18:35trick you.
00:18:36It's that we know for a fact, being the Patriots, we cannot pass protect for our quarterback
00:18:39in third and long.
00:18:41And they couldn't.
00:18:43And this is a day where Miami didn't even really blitz.
00:18:46They blitzed Drake May 14% of the time.
00:18:48The problem was they got home on more than half of them, where final critiques of the
00:18:52kind of Alex Van Pelt game plan that wasn't, because again, he just had to pivot.
00:18:55They were in 11 personnel.
00:18:57Their least efficient personnel grouping, let's see what it was, 69% of the time.
00:19:04Their success rate in that group, 26, not good.
00:19:10By comparison, 30% of their snaps are in 12 personnel, two tight ends, how they want
00:19:14to play, how they best play.
00:19:17Their success rate in those snaps, 61.
00:19:20But the critiques, look, the Miami defensive play caller, Anthony Weber, as some play callers
00:19:26had earlier in the season, seemed to have a beat on.
00:19:29We know when the Patriots are going to slide their line in one particular direction, and
00:19:32in this direction, most often, it was towards the boundary or towards the left.
00:19:36Because it left DeMondreu Jacobs all alone, four offensive linemen go to the left, he's
00:19:40the one on the right, blocking one on one.
00:19:43And what that allowed them to do, Miami, is to send blitzers through the B gap, who got
00:19:47through three times on Drake May.
00:19:49So I don't know if this was luck.
00:19:51I don't know if this was good advanced scouting.
00:19:53I don't know what it was.
00:19:55But if you're Alex Van Pelt, you need better answers, because that's just not your players
00:19:59failing you.
00:20:00That's you calling a protection, that invited pressure that Miami sees done, and obviously
00:20:04led to a sack, and more pressure, and even a pick in the very end.
00:20:08Last thing I'll say is this, as far as Van Pelt goes, look, it sucked being a play caller
00:20:13in second and 13, third and 16, third and 17, whatever.
00:20:17The isolation of these routes, downfield, where it's Keishon Booty just has to win.
00:20:22Kendrick Bourne, you gotta win on this route, facing Jalen Ramsey.
00:20:25Good luck.
00:20:26It's not good enough.
00:20:27You watch Miami, and it's not just the shifts.
00:20:31It's not just the motions.
00:20:32It's not just the fakes.
00:20:34It's all of it, making life a lot easier on Tua, Jonu Smith even, and Jalen Waddell, and
00:20:40Tyree Killer, who could win on their own, but they don't have to, because of those shifts
00:20:44and motions.
00:20:45And it's not a guarantee of points.
00:20:46Last time they played, I told you, oh, everyone's getting on Van Pelt about lack of motion,
00:20:5031st in motion in the snap of the whole league.
00:20:52Well, you know who's number one?
00:20:53Miami, who at that point was the only team below the Patriots, 32, where it matters most,
00:20:58and that was scoring.
00:20:59So motion, more of a media thing than football mattering.
00:21:04But coaches have to help the Patriots receivers out more, because the Patriots receivers are
00:21:08doing themselves no favors, and neither are the offensive line.
00:21:12But they need help schematically, and they didn't get it.
00:21:15Broken tackles.
00:21:16Let's get to some player stats, and we'll get to defense.
00:21:19DeMario Douglas forced four missed tackles, okay?
00:21:21He had their explosive plays outside of that Hooper touchdown in the second half.
00:21:24Lo and behold, when you throw it to your best receiver, and only yards have to catch strut,
00:21:28the man does stuff with the football.
00:21:30Drake May, right behind him with three.
00:21:32Missed tackles forced.
00:21:33Reminder, Stevenson had one.
00:21:34All of one.
00:21:35The rest were Kendrick Bourne, Jalen Poole, to Michael Hastie.
00:21:37Stevenson, I'm going to hit on here for a second, because we said this last week, and
00:21:42it's like a step above the concern or whatever I tried to articulate about Drake May and
00:21:46watch this for now, and I'm not worried, but I got my eye on it.
00:21:49Like the kid in the corner of the playground who's like, not got a wood chip in his mouth,
00:21:55but he's holding at it, looking at it, being like, do I really want to join this?
00:21:58Reminder of Stevenson over the last four games, man's averaging just two forced missed
00:22:03tackles per game, and it's not just the make or miss ability, which we know was entirely
00:22:08sustaining this rushing attack, as it did a year ago, because the offensive line stinks.
00:22:14His details are just, it's not good.
00:22:17That same second drive, Patriots go 80 yards, right before the third and 16 handoff.
00:22:22He's running a little hit route, second to 15 on the outside.
00:22:25He's got plenty of space.
00:22:26You call this a free access throw.
00:22:27The defender is so far off, you just get five yards.
00:22:30That's a free access, free access, free yards.
00:22:32So May gets to his drop, his back foot hits.
00:22:36He cocks his arm to throw, and Reminder Stevenson is doing this like shake and bake at the top
00:22:41of the route.
00:22:42What are you doing?
00:22:43Just stop.
00:22:44This is a little hitch route.
00:22:47That's what you're there for.
00:22:48You're not doing anything crazy, and he then breaks inside, and lo and behold, the throw
00:22:51goes behind Reminder Stevenson.
00:22:52So when you look at these instances where receiver and quarterback are not on the same
00:22:56page, yeah, sometimes it's on the quarterback.
00:22:58It's a bad throw.
00:22:59Drake had a couple of bunnies.
00:23:00He just missed.
00:23:01Mario Douglas, later in the game, third down, big blitz, throws behind him.
00:23:05That was on Drake.
00:23:06Said so himself.
00:23:07It wasn't a miscommunication, which is really code for not my fault.
00:23:11This was from Reminder Stevenson's fault.
00:23:13He trips on a screen.
00:23:14He's a non-factor for the rest of the game.
00:23:16When you are one of the 12 highest, I think it's actually 10, highest paid running backs
00:23:20in the entire league, you need to be more of a factor than a guy who makes two tacklers
00:23:24miss per game, and that's it, and especially when you're a non-factor as a pass catcher
00:23:29because just behind Mario Douglas, you're probably the most dangerous guy in space for
00:23:32this team.
00:23:33All right.
00:23:34Here it is.
00:23:35Offensive line.
00:23:36Montree Jacobs, four pressures allowed, sack, two QB hits in a hurry.
00:23:40Michael Jordan, left guard, sneakily just as bad, sack, QB hit, two hurries.
00:23:45Vidarian low, sack, two hurries, four penalties as well.
00:23:48Drake May invited two hurries by my charting.
00:23:50Ben Brown, the center, got tossed around like a ragdoll a couple of times, but only
00:23:55give up one run stop.
00:23:56A couple of other bad reps, which left Mike Conway all by his lonesome as the only offensive
00:24:01lineman with a clean sheet.
00:24:03There's your offensive line talk, and we've talked about the penalties, seven times in
00:24:06the first half, and five were pre-snap, 13 total for the team.
00:24:11Can't have it.
00:24:12Drodd Mayo, though, sticking with the offensive line, said he's open to lineup changes, and
00:24:18if I'm Jacobs, who got benched in the fourth quarter for City Show, or if I'm Vidarian
00:24:22Low, of course you're on alert, right?
00:24:26Because these two guys, not just on Sunday, but against the Rams, even the Bears before
00:24:32that, are the problems up front, and it's not just the Patriots are making it work because
00:24:37it's easier sometimes to help a guard than a tackle.
00:24:40They're just getting beat, and they're not starting caliber offensive tackles.
00:24:44The issue is, well, who did the Patriots bench them for, City Show?
00:24:49People forget.
00:24:50Started at left guard, basically every snap at training camp, gets injured, then comes
00:24:54back, stinks, because maybe he's not fully healthy, or he's rusty, or whatever, hasn't
00:24:58been seen from since.
00:24:59Oh, and now you want to play him a tackle, but the Patriots tried him as a rookie, and
00:25:02he wasn't very good because he hadn't done it in five years.
00:25:05So I don't know what the plan is up front, but I know it's probably going to involve
00:25:08a change at offensive tackle, and it probably should.
00:25:11We talked about Stevenson, Antonio Gibson, good game for him.
00:25:15Patriots are bringing the fight to Miami's defense early on, and he was a big part of
00:25:18that 14-yard run.
00:25:19Then he had a 14-yard check down, catch from Drake May in third down.
00:25:23Really nice progression read from Drake May.
00:25:25Good yards after the catch from Antonio Gibson.
00:25:27Here's the problem.
00:25:28Those two plays, 14 yards, their longest plays of the first half, that was it.
00:25:35Not as big of a problem, though, as Jalen Polk and Jalen Baker, and look, if they were
00:25:40not playing for a rebuilding team in year one, it would be very difficult to argue why
00:25:45either of these guys should play meaningful snaps in any of the Patriots' last five games,
00:25:51barring some catastrophe health-wise at this position, because Polk's only catch Sunday
00:25:56was a designed touch on a screen pass where he came one yard short of moving the sticks
00:26:00and the Patriots pawned their opening drive.
00:26:02His other target got batted away because he couldn't separate, and he's among the worst
00:26:07separators in the entire NFL, according to Next Gen Stats and Pro Football Focus, not
00:26:12just me, Patriots writer with the podcast.
00:26:15Javon Baker, meanwhile, played 11 snaps, and you probably remember two of them.
00:26:19One, because he started somehow.
00:26:21Number two, because he had one target in the left sideline, and I tweeted this clip out,
00:26:25and I don't know this for a fact, but it aligns, in my mind, with a quote that AVP gave reporters
00:26:30last month.
00:26:31Hey, why isn't Javon Baker playing anymore?
00:26:35He needs to line up correctly, and he needs to run the right routes, enter and truss from
00:26:40the coaching's tab.
00:26:41Oh, is that all?
00:26:43Because when you look at that play where he runs a deep comeback on the left sidelines
00:26:47in the second half, and Drake May throws the ball five yards behind him, it looks like
00:26:52a very basic four-verticals concept, where you got two receivers on either side.
00:26:57The slot receivers run these benders up the seam, start out a little bit with an outside
00:27:02release, and then kind of bend back in towards the middle, and the outside receivers can
00:27:06just go vertical route, straight downfield, or if they're not getting enough separation,
00:27:11it depends on the coaching point here.
00:27:12This is why I say I don't know.
00:27:13Do I tell you stuff on the podcast?
00:27:15It's research.
00:27:16It's proof.
00:27:17I know what I'm talking about.
00:27:18In this case, I don't know what the point was, but either if you can't get separation,
00:27:21some coaches say you snap it off at 15 yards.
00:27:24Others say it depends on the safety structure, one high or two high.
00:27:28In either case, on the right side, opposite Javon Baker, Kendrick Bourne snaps his off
00:27:34at 12 yards.
00:27:35At that same point, Drake May is unwinding to throw at Javon Baker, who's also at 12
00:27:40yards, but he's not stopping.
00:27:42He's going all the way upfield to 17, 18 yards, which was at the sticks, generally a good
00:27:47idea, but this is second down.
00:27:48You didn't need it all in one play.
00:27:49Then he turns around, and by the time Javon Baker did turn around, he saw the ball bouncing
00:27:54where he probably should have been, which to me said, because he played 11 snaps, still
00:27:58doesn't have a catch, despite playing seven games, that he's still not getting those details.
00:28:03He's not running the right routes.
00:28:04He's not lining up correctly.
00:28:06Well, maybe Sunday he did, but he didn't play much more after that, and so to me, we all
00:28:12had high hopes, but the evidence is what it is.
00:28:16The tape is what it is.
00:28:17The stats are what they are.
00:28:19It's not good.
00:28:20Keishon Booty, by the way, those deep targets have gone from a fun new feature of the offense
00:28:24to an annoying bug.
00:28:26He's not separating.
00:28:27That needs to be a pinpoint perfect throw.
00:28:28That shouldn't be the case for a guy who doesn't have blazing speed and he's a decent contestant
00:28:33catch.
00:28:34He still does good work on slants and breaking routes.
00:28:36I think that's where he has to live, which says, okay, who's your deep threat?
00:28:39Well, hopefully the guy who can line up and run the right routes, which right now is in
00:28:43Javon Baker, but honestly, those vertical routes is what he majored in in college at
00:28:47Central Florida and was really good at, but maybe give Pop Douglas a shot.
00:28:50I don't know.
00:28:51All right, that's enough offense.
00:28:52We're going to get to the defense, which was just as bad as we all know, but at first I'm
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00:30:35Uh, defense.
00:30:36Woo.
00:30:37So last week I, I'm going to say killed, killed is strong.
00:30:43This is just, this is football.
00:30:44This is a podcast.
00:30:45This is me talking alone in my office late into Monday night.
00:30:48I was critical of Demarcus Covington for an inability or refusal to adjust.
00:30:54Hey, Christian Gonzalez, we're going to park you in the boundary.
00:30:56Sean McVay is going to kill us on the other side, but you know what?
00:30:58Do your thing where we told you to, because this is working out just fine.
00:31:03Demarcus Covington, I think actually crazy as it is, had a decent plan for Miami.
00:31:09And I'll tell you what that is in a second.
00:31:10The problem was the coaching that led to the plan wasn't good enough because there were
00:31:15basic breakdowns galore.
00:31:18Now let's talk about the plan first.
00:31:20Patriots basically lived out of three safety nickel personnel, which talking with Chad
00:31:24Johnson last week, he loved this idea.
00:31:26Smart man.
00:31:27Uh, the Patriots did because in that personnel grouping is a team who's struggled to stop
00:31:31the run.
00:31:33You get an extra safety or two in the box where there's enough speed to play zone, cover
00:31:37those tight ends and running backs and trust your receivers on the outside to do what they
00:31:40need to do.
00:31:41Um, and that combination of speed and beef as opposed to three, four base personnel,
00:31:47which they played on 1.5% of their stamps, I think it was just one snap of base defense
00:31:52the week before, by the way, 43%, so it's a big leap.
00:31:55You have enough speed for Miami.
00:31:56If they do throw another downs, they've got enough guys in the box, heavy hitters to stop
00:32:00the run.
00:32:01This is where they lived 62% of the time.
00:32:03The Patriots were in this personnel package, three safety nickel personnel.
00:32:07Within that it was close to a 50 50 split between man and zone.
00:32:10They blitzed 16% of the time.
00:32:12This was really not about a third down or matchups.
00:32:16It was just geography.
00:32:17Anytime the dolphins got close to the red zone, anytime they were just inside the red
00:32:22zone, that's when DeMarcus Covington started to bring some heat.
00:32:25Because at that point, Tyree kill and Jalen while are not going to kill you with your
00:32:29long speed.
00:32:30And that's the fear of the blitz, right?
00:32:32We saw with Cooper cup, if we don't get home and the quarterback throws over the top and
00:32:36he singled up with Jonathan Jones or Marcus Jones or someone who's not Christian Gonzalez,
00:32:41that dude can take it to the house as Cooper cup did for 61 or 69 yards or whatever it
00:32:45was.
00:32:46So Patriots didn't blitz a whole lot when they did.
00:32:47It was around the red zone.
00:32:48Miami had a 57% success rate though when they blitz.
00:32:52It's probably lower than you would have thought an average, just 4.3 yards per play.
00:32:56And overall Patriots didn't like spin the dial as dry mail suggested they would before
00:33:01the game.
00:33:03It's got a little lag, but they live primarily at a cover one man to man, single high safety
00:33:08cover to, you know, two deep safety zone defense and cover three, which is another single high
00:33:13safety structure.
00:33:14And the corners typically, but not always are running and covering deep down the sidelines
00:33:18with that one deep safety in the middle of the versions cover three, we're going to keep
00:33:22the simple so we can keep it moving.
00:33:25Patriots did this from their three safety nickel package because it got numbers in the
00:33:30box and gave you enough people in the middle of the field where Miami loves to throw in
00:33:36breaking routes off of play action on yards after catch concepts, sometimes on screens
00:33:41just to get their guys moving waddle Hill.
00:33:44We saw a Devon HN, right?
00:33:47Johnny Smith, uh, even though Beckham's still written around somehow.
00:33:51And so I liked that they mixed her cover.
00:33:53It was pretty even between one, two, and three plus a little zone blitz stuff, which actually
00:33:57worked.
00:33:58It was the only thing that worked.
00:33:59But Miami didn't care.
00:34:00They killed everything.
00:34:02Multiple first down conversions against cover one, two, and three, at least three completions
00:34:07of 10 yards or more against cover one, cover two and cover three.
00:34:11And at least though, in the red zone, the Patriots use some double teams.
00:34:16How about this?
00:34:17And in one instance, actually a few instances, they double team, both Tyree kill in jail
00:34:21and while smart, Christian can dial Zenodo Beckham, we'll double the other two guys.
00:34:26Where's two are going to go with the ball.
00:34:27Miami being the team that's tortured the Patriots since I don't know, Tom Brady left or his
00:34:33last game, uh, in the regular season in July 2019 with Brian Flores said, we know you're
00:34:39going to double.
00:34:40This is kind of what you do is make teams play left-handed, even though we don't, unfortunately,
00:34:44uh, they haven't done that a whole lot this year.
00:34:46So Johnny Smith gets that first touchdown.
00:34:49Kyle Duggars eyes are in the wrong place.
00:34:51Tells me, I thought he was chipping.
00:34:53He did chip a little bit, stay in a protection, Kyle, you got to cover your man because everyone
00:34:56else was covered.
00:34:57The next two touchdowns go to HN who, again, whether this was a screen or a clear out or
00:35:04everyone on the right side of the field, this is the second touchdown runs an in-breaking
00:35:07route, just a ton of traffic from the right side, all over the middle and HN from the
00:35:12backfield swings out to the right.
00:35:14Cause that is vacated.
00:35:16Miami took advantage of these doubles and this plan.
00:35:19And honestly, I don't have a better option than to take away their best players because
00:35:25to me, these issues were player breakdowns.
00:35:28And I'll say this for coming to him before you get to exactly what happened to the breakdowns.
00:35:32They were slow to adjust because Hill wasn't killing him.
00:35:36John Smith had a good game.
00:35:37Wasn't really totally killing him.
00:35:38The player that killed them was Jalen model.
00:35:39He had 118 receiving yards at halftime, but it was too little too late when Covington
00:35:44finally adjusted to double teaming him instead of Ty Rico and put Christian Gonzalez on Ty
00:35:49Rico.
00:35:50They also played less band demand and it worked mostly because while I had less than 30 yards
00:35:54after halftime, but he also scored Miami's last touchdown.
00:35:58So player stats can't wait.
00:36:00Only man with multiple pressures.
00:36:01He had two hurries.
00:36:02Christian bar more sack, Brendan school or sack Yannick and got way.
00:36:06This is borderline.
00:36:07I gave him a QB hit.
00:36:08Well, it got you out of hurry.
00:36:10Seven run stuffs.
00:36:11Impressive.
00:36:12A lot of past breakups because they were getting picked on Marcus Jones led the way with three
00:36:16missed tackles.
00:36:17The only talkie talkie got hurt also had two missed tackles.
00:36:21Not great, but overall nothing too bad there.
00:36:22So the basic breakdowns were this Miami's use of motion and shifts before the snap and
00:36:30their use of tempo, especially early in the game was designed to test the Patriots ability
00:36:35a to line up in the right place, be to communicate changes.
00:36:38If you're in zone coverage, someone goes in motion.
00:36:41Typically that means you bump over.
00:36:43Everyone shifts over a little bit.
00:36:45It's not always you got spinning safety.
00:36:47Sometimes this is again, blanket, simple stuff.
00:36:51We're in man because we know they use that cheap motion, right?
00:36:53Tyree kills zips across the formation ball, get snapped and he's boom, go straight upfield.
00:36:57You can't have the guy who's chasing him across, be able to chase him upfield.
00:37:01He's already behind.
00:37:02Okay.
00:37:03So they'll switch man to man assignments.
00:37:05Sometimes in that case, Patriots have done this.
00:37:07They played Miami twice a year.
00:37:08They played them less than two months ago and they played a very similar offense, probably
00:37:12the most similar offense to what the dolphins run a week earlier.
00:37:17And yet still they had bad eyes meeting, watching the ball as Kyle Duggar did, instead
00:37:22of covering John Smith.
00:37:24They had instances where you had receivers that were just completely uncovered before
00:37:28the snap.
00:37:29And Jelani is looking over like, Oh, that's not right.
00:37:31Let me go over there.
00:37:32Even though that's a receiver and I'm a hulking 245 pound dude.
00:37:36Okay.
00:37:37And you had constant pointing and efforts to communicate, but just all of it broke down
00:37:42and you don't need me to go into further detail.
00:37:43You watch it.
00:37:44Touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, field goal.
00:37:47That was the first half.
00:37:48Okay.
00:37:49And Jonathan Jones, after the game tells our guy, Doug guy, we're not locked in.
00:37:52It's a lack of focus.
00:37:53And that is a black mark on the coaches.
00:37:55It's a black marker.
00:37:56The players, again, they all prepared for this offense, a divisional opponent two months
00:38:01ago, less than two months ago.
00:38:04And they saw something very similar a week ago against the Rams and the Rams use the
00:38:07stuff Miami did.
00:38:08Miami did the same stuff with some of these motions to create little hitch routes against
00:38:12zone and just widen it out.
00:38:14We talked about this last week.
00:38:15I do want to hit on Duggar again, though, because we've talked about Jono Smith touchdown.
00:38:19He was also involved in the bus that allowed a chance to go for that walk-in score on the
00:38:23right side.
00:38:24This one, he called it miscommunication with him and Christian Ellis, which to me says
00:38:27it might've been Ellis's fault.
00:38:29But with both guys traveling with one running back or Miami, again, you talk about they're
00:38:34in the red zone.
00:38:35We know they're going to double Hill.
00:38:36They brought Tyree killer into the backfield, which creates all kinds of issues for their
00:38:40defensive roles.
00:38:42Because some of it's predicated obviously on the matchup, right?
00:38:46And they go one double 10.
00:38:48That means cover one.
00:38:49And we're going to double number 10, the entire kill.
00:38:52Well, the guys covered the running backs for like, well, what am I doing?
00:38:54Cause now he's in the backfield, but you can't have Devon HN just going free to the right
00:39:01side as he did.
00:39:03Duggar also had a delayed reaction to the swing screen for HN on his first touchdown
00:39:08Miami second overall and Jalen Hawkins is pointing and pointing, bumping like, Hey,
00:39:12there's motion.
00:39:13We got to move.
00:39:14Got to get over.
00:39:15This is it.
00:39:16He really had a two-way go.
00:39:17He could have gone straight to the pylon and scored instead.
00:39:18Patriots over pursue.
00:39:20He cuts inside, boom, touchdown there on the board, 14, nothing.
00:39:23And later in the last touchdown, Kyle Duggar play action, throw Jalen while gets us up
00:39:27the scene.
00:39:29He's a deep half safety and cover too.
00:39:31And he's just got flat footed and I don't blame a lot of guys for not winning a foot
00:39:35race or tackling Jalen while, um, be at all that up.
00:39:39This was a disastrous game for Kyle Duggar, one of the worst, if not the worst I've ever
00:39:43seen him play.
00:39:45Of course, not all blame lies with him.
00:39:46Marcus Jones got picked on like the kid, I don't know, the recess playground, whatever.
00:39:52Like he's earned it though, in a way that you're like, everyone else is standing back
00:39:55and being like, yeah, okay, this is fine.
00:39:57What he said was gross.
00:39:58Like you get a couple more punches and give up four catches.
00:40:01Now that kid fought back and Marcus Jones has been on the pot.
00:40:05Good guy.
00:40:06Um, had fought back and had three past breakups in the second half hat tip to him.
00:40:10But there's a reason Miami went after him.
00:40:12Same reason Miami went after Jonathan Jones a week before, and it might be a reason that
00:40:15Jonathan Jones for the second time in three weeks played more safety than he did corner.
00:40:20Is this portending a full-time move down the road?
00:40:23I don't know.
00:40:24What I do know is Christian Gonzalez, even with a hip injury when he was a game time
00:40:28decision allowed just one catch to Tyree kill and Jalen Waddle and added a past breakup
00:40:32because for some reason too, I thought it was a good idea to throw to Odell Beckham
00:40:36jr.
00:40:37Um, which on this past breakup, by the way, you talk about again, manipulating Patriot's
00:40:42defense scheme.
00:40:43Hey, we get in the red zone.
00:40:44They're going to double Hill.
00:40:45You watch that play when Christian Gonzalez gets the past breakup and there was one other
00:40:49one too.
00:40:50I had an incompletion.
00:40:51They have, he'll go in motion and then just kind of like take a hike to the back right
00:40:56corner of the pilot.
00:40:57He's really hardly running around.
00:40:59They just know by having him, that one guy run off into the corner, he's going to drive
00:41:03two players with him and that creates space in the middle and that's where two went is
00:41:07incomplete, but that's more of their plan.
00:41:09Um, which again, this isn't all about the secondary Patriots did a good job up front
00:41:15with the run defense and for the life of me, couldn't find a tape with debunk.
00:41:18Gotcha.
00:41:19I was talking about with, Oh, we have these adjustments and it was personnel.
00:41:22The real adjustment again was double Jalen Waddle play less man to man.
00:41:25That was it.
00:41:26Personnel was still a lot of nickel and they played three defensive tackles before the
00:41:30second half they did in the first half.
00:41:32One of them was Christian Barmore who right now might be their only hopes being the Patriots
00:41:38for a renewed pass rush because they posted a season low 14% pressure rate.
00:41:44They had below 23% a week ago.
00:41:47These are not great offensive lines in Miami and for the Rams, a banged up Rams offensive
00:41:51line by the way.
00:41:52And they had one pressure, all of one in 27 dropbacks in the first half, at which point
00:41:58I'm in the press box going to Doug, like, did they get one?
00:42:00Well, they did, but only one.
00:42:02And that was it.
00:42:03And Barmore dig at the sack and like anything this season.
00:42:06And I don't know, maybe for the rest of his career, you celebrate those.
00:42:09Cause that guy had a huge health scare with the blood class and he's back and they're
00:42:13slowly ramping him up.
00:42:14And I'll say, I think he's got a really sweet deal.
00:42:17Now you practice once and you go play.
00:42:19I know he wants to practice more.
00:42:21We talked about it after the game, but the point is they need more pass rush.
00:42:26Like this is a classic defensive, not borderline, but kind of vivid defensive coach cliche.
00:42:34You got to cut off the head of the snake right now with Miami.
00:42:37That's two.
00:42:38And they didn't get close to him.
00:42:3914% pressure rate.
00:42:41Not good enough.
00:42:42Keon White, who actually flushed to up the middle of the pocket.
00:42:44So Christian Barmore could get that sack only guy with multiple pressures, John to buy solid
00:42:48unspectacular Patriots, any more playmaking from them, Breton schooler, or just put him
00:42:54on the edge.
00:42:55So he had one sack again, playing two defensive snaps.
00:42:58Just like in Chicago guys, a stud, um, it's done strong, but the speed, the violence,
00:43:04the pursuit, it's all there.
00:43:06We'll say in the other snap, Patriots are playing cover to his job, hanging out in no
00:43:12man's land was to jam Jalen Waddle and then play the flat.
00:43:14He did.
00:43:15Jalen while still got 14 yards on a catch.
00:43:18Cause Marcus Jones was in deep half coverage and anyway, that's just how it went Sunday.
00:43:24We need to talk.
00:43:25It's been very low.
00:43:26Okay.
00:43:27Pivoting here from defense.
00:43:28We need to talk three false starts, holding penalty, multiple pressures allowed.
00:43:30He had a shoulder injury.
00:43:31I tweeted about it before the game said, watch this, the inside shoulder.
00:43:34They're going to attack that two man stunts opposite Michael Jordan.
00:43:38Not good.
00:43:39Michael Jordan again, still allowing pressure and sacks and quarterback hits.
00:43:43Anytime the tackle across from him goes to the left and the end on that side loops around
00:43:49inside because Jordan is just occupied with the tackle.
00:43:52These TV stunts, they got to get it cleaned up, but we need to talk as reserve for daring
00:43:56low cause this was gross.
00:43:57I mean, DeMontre Jacobs got benched.
00:43:59He played worse.
00:44:00Um, what would NFL film say nothing is fictitious hour long documentary celebrating the Patriots
00:44:09somehow at three nine and they'll bounce back.
00:44:10They'll play better.
00:44:11I think they're going to win one more game.
00:44:12Crazy as it sounds, um, but they mentioned Miami is a house of whores.
00:44:18Can they turn it around?
00:44:19No more scary sites.
00:44:21And it's the John Smith touchdown strike may getting sacked.
00:44:24It's the HN touchdown.
00:44:25It's the big lead.
00:44:27Maybe the, I think they do cap on the May touchdown at the end.
00:44:30They didn't even show the Christian Gonzalez touchdown and the run back and which was really
00:44:33not even Martin.
00:44:34I've got a forceful.
00:44:35I'm all Martin.
00:44:36I've actually played pretty well, but that was a botched handoff is what it was.
00:44:41And Patriots got the exact guy you wouldn't want returning that the fastest man on defense
00:44:46wins a sprint to the end zone and that's 30, 40, 15, but NFL films is not going to spend
00:44:50much time on this.
00:44:51Uh, NFL films also is not going to spend much time on my tweet after the game, which got
00:44:56a lot of attention as did reports from Mark Daniels and Greg Bedard.
00:44:59Uh, I won't say one or two other folks that said, Hey, this locker room was, you know
00:45:05what, actually I'm going to read you exactly what I wrote because I spent just too much
00:45:11time trying to put this exactly the way that I wanted to put it, knowing that this might
00:45:14happen the way that it blows up.
00:45:15But this is what I experienced, what I saw, what I heard, quote, that was one of the lighter
00:45:20Patriots locker rooms after a bad loss.
00:45:22I can remember not a happy locker room, but more players smiling and joking than normal
00:45:27to say at least felt accepting of the blowout and their reality at three and nine.
00:45:32This was not players hooting and hollering.
00:45:34This is not feel like a winning locker room.
00:45:36Again, not a happy locker room.
00:45:38Accepting was the word I landed on unbothered.
00:45:40I think Greg said, who came up to me and said that in the press box after, cause he felt
00:45:43the same.
00:45:44We never talked about it, but, um, Mark Daniels wrote about it too.
00:45:49I want to stress two things.
00:45:50Number one, obviously, if you couldn't tell by looking at me, I've never played in the
00:45:54NFL, so I'm not here to say that guys can't grieve or get over a loss in a way, because
00:46:00I don't know what that feels like.
00:46:01Gronk got happy drunk after losing a super bowl to the giants in 2011, 2012, technically
00:46:07whatever.
00:46:08Number two.
00:46:09Okay.
00:46:10I think the fact that the Patriots were down 24 to nothing and a half, and then almost
00:46:14immediately 31 to nothing in the third quarter allowed that process of, Oh, holy shit.
00:46:20We just got asked to sink in and to process that before it was officially over.
00:46:24It didn't mean they quit.
00:46:25We'll watch it.
00:46:26They didn't quit, but you'll understand where this movie's going, right?
00:46:30You know what the destination is on this ride.
00:46:32Okay.
00:46:33You can see it on the GPS.
00:46:35So I'm going to start to think about what it's going to feel like once we get there.
00:46:39I think they did that.
00:46:40They experienced it.
00:46:41They got in the locker room, Mayo breaks them down and guys were upset.
00:46:44You can read the quotes, but offensive side of the locker room is as Mark wrote receivers
00:46:49certainly stuck out to me.
00:46:51Some guys on defense stuck out to me is yeah, it's, it's, it's pretty smiley.
00:46:56It's different in my experience, which there's been a lot more losing since the days of Brady
00:47:00and Belichick, as we know, and it was 29 and 39 once Brady left and it was still bill.
00:47:04So the losing isn't new.
00:47:07I'm not here to crush any of them.
00:47:09It was curious to me.
00:47:10That's why I tweeted.
00:47:11It said it was lighter on a happy locker room.
00:47:13This isn't a back away from any of that wouldn't have tweeted it if I didn't mention it.
00:47:17But there's also a reason I didn't write a whole story about it, because the point to
00:47:19me after this game was the Patriots need to show progress because no one is going to be
00:47:24laughing and joking.
00:47:25If games like that continue to pile up because guys will be out of a job at the end of the
00:47:29season.
00:47:30And maybe not just the players.
00:47:32Okay.
00:47:33It is time for your time to shine mailbag a lot of responses.
00:47:37Appreciate everyone on Twitter.
00:47:38I did not get this out to blue sky.
00:47:39Do follow me.
00:47:40I'm blue sky though.
00:47:41We're having a blast.
00:47:42And I don't say that as like a blue sky.
00:47:43I just, it's a fresh start.
00:47:45It reminds people, Oh, Twitter, fewer bots.
00:47:49I haven't seen one bot.
00:47:50It's really not like porn reels that just pop up as soon as you watch one video.
00:47:54And then it's just stuff you didn't ask for, or certainly not going to see in public.
00:47:59So follow me on blue sky.
00:48:00That's my pitch.
00:48:01Anyway, here are the questions that I got to from Twitter, a lot of good ones.
00:48:06And if you didn't get yours answered, follow me up next week.
00:48:10Oh, and speaking of following up, uh, I've not reached out to Nick Roy and Kevin Walsh.
00:48:14They will be on the show.
00:48:15I'm going to reach out to them tomorrow, a lot going on flu in early from Lauderdale
00:48:18been filmed in this sense, anyway, angry Drake may who, I mean, you might as well hide in
00:48:24plain sight.
00:48:25If you're going to have a burner, if people are still having burners in 2024, first of
00:48:28all, don't, this is pathetic habit.
00:48:30Don't do it.
00:48:31But if you were put your name on it, no one would suspect.
00:48:36Is it realistic to think we'll actually be competitive in next season?
00:48:39I'm sure he's talking about the Patriots because he's Drake may he plays for the Patriots.
00:48:43Look, I want everyone to take a second and think about how you would answer this question.
00:48:48And however you feel, if someone with a different answer than you shares that, and that different
00:48:55answer upsets you, that's a, you problem.
00:48:59It's not that, you know, it's not that they're an idiot because if I say yes, and I'm about
00:49:04to that, I think they can be competitive next season.
00:49:07All that is your anger is used to you seeking to be angry.
00:49:09And I get there are reasons to be upset about this team.
00:49:12We set it off the top.
00:49:13Can they just do better than 13 penalties and 31 to nothing in the third quarter?
00:49:17Okay.
00:49:18But yes, I think they can actually be competitive next season.
00:49:20I wouldn't even tell you like, Oh, cat's face and top five pick.
00:49:23I'll give you names.
00:49:24Tee Higgins, Chris Godwin, David Holland, Travis Ward, Ronnie Stanley, good players,
00:49:32good linebacking for, and for agency, which Patriots needed Drake green loss on that list.
00:49:37You can sign several of those players.
00:49:40If you offer enough money, Drake may is going to make a year to leave.
00:49:43Christian Gonzalez is going to make a year 2.5 lead because he played four games last
00:49:47year.
00:49:48Three and a half, three and a third.
00:49:50Okay.
00:49:51Those are premium players at premium positions.
00:49:53You need a pass rusher.
00:49:54You need a receiver.
00:49:55You need an offensive tackle.
00:49:56That's a lot.
00:49:57It's a long list, but the Patriots have the resources to do it.
00:49:59The players are out there.
00:50:01Even if there's not a big shiny blue chip offensive tackle in the top five, they're
00:50:05going to pick in the top 10.
00:50:06Okay.
00:50:07Yes.
00:50:08They can be competitive next season.
00:50:09Teams have done this before.
00:50:10Yes.
00:50:11It's realistic.
00:50:12If you disagree, take a breath, John, simple question.
00:50:17It's actually to John.
00:50:18Now that I read this more closely, what's the plan and how the Patriots actually hit
00:50:22rock bottom.
00:50:24Number one, Patriots plan, which I've said all along is not to pour every single effort
00:50:32into winning football.
00:50:33This games, football games, this season, it is to both win games and develop players at
00:50:38the same time.
00:50:39It's why Jayvon Baker sees 11 snaps on Sunday.
00:50:41It's why Jaheim Bell, believe it or not, saw eight.
00:50:43It's why Del Pettis is rotating and playing safety and Del Pettis has been fine.
00:50:48But that's the plan.
00:50:49That's the Packer way.
00:50:50That's how teams rebuild.
00:50:52We are going to take our lumps and our growing pains now, and we're going to give snaps to
00:50:55kids who maybe, maybe not have earned it.
00:50:57Jayvon Baker certainly didn't earn that start against the Dolphins.
00:51:01He got it anyway.
00:51:02They need to find out who they can count on and who they can't, because if you don't play
00:51:06them, then you don't really know.
00:51:07So that's the plan.
00:51:09Have they hit rock bottom?
00:51:10No, they have not hit rock bottom.
00:51:12I was asking that question after the Dallas loss last year in week four, 38 to three.
00:51:18Saints had something in store, 34 to nothing.
00:51:20First home loss in Patriots history the very next week, and then we still had the Chargers
00:51:24shut out six to nothing.
00:51:25We had the Giants loss with Chad Reilly and Mesut Ozil.
00:51:27We had a lot of bad football.
00:51:29There's less time left this season, but I'm not really going to be out.
00:51:32Speaking of Dallas, Dallas is asking, willing to cut Mayo as a first-year head coach, but
00:51:37why is DeMarcus Covington not getting any blame for the defense being a disaster?
00:51:41If any coaching change is to be made, it's Covington, in my opinion.
00:51:45Well, Dallas, I think you got a fair point.
00:51:48A couple problems with the Covington case, though.
00:51:52Number one, he and Gerrard are close.
00:51:53They actually share an agent.
00:51:56Covington, like Gerrard, is a first-year defense coordinator.
00:51:59He's young.
00:52:01And I was sold on things that I heard from people I trusted in and around the league,
00:52:06even those who were made aware of his interviews after they happened with the Cardinals and
00:52:10with the Chargers for their defensive coordinator jobs last year.
00:52:13But the numbers are what they are.
00:52:15They're a bottom five versus the run in the past.
00:52:18They have been slow to adjust.
00:52:20And I can tell you how.
00:52:21This is not just like people complaining about coaching on the radio and not being able to
00:52:24tell you exactly how it happened.
00:52:25We've got the numbers.
00:52:27We've got the stats, the breakdowns, everything, and it's not to pick on people on the radio
00:52:30calling in or hosting shows.
00:52:31It's just to say that DeMarcus Covington's credit that I've given him is sometimes using
00:52:37Christian Gonzalez in week one against Jamar Chase that didn't tip off Manor Zone.
00:52:40Good stuff.
00:52:41But his best plans since then have just been to play a ton of man coverage.
00:52:45And it doesn't take a lot of creativity.
00:52:46And the work on fundamentals, whether it's penalties or busted coverages, is not good
00:52:53enough to overcome that lack of creativity.
00:52:56So yeah, he absolutely deserves blame.
00:52:59I think people are coming around to that.
00:53:01I think also there's something to be said for when it's this bad.
00:53:04A, blame belongs to everybody, but also B, it's hard to know where to start.
00:53:08And being a head coach, especially a defensive-minded head coach, the default is to go to him.
00:53:13But you're right.
00:53:14DeMarcus Covington absolutely deserves a ton of blame for what's gone wrong with this defense.
00:53:19Kenny, really good question.
00:53:22Long question, too.
00:53:23Quote, the Pats are six in total penalty flags against 81.
00:53:26They're eighth in total pre-snap penalties against 33.
00:53:30And they are 28th in turnover differential minus seven.
00:53:33In my opinion, those stats have a correlation with good and bad coaching.
00:53:36Granted, players also share culpability.
00:53:38Doug Kine mentioned on the Pats Chats podcast, listen if you aren't, he's looking for quantifiable
00:53:43reasons as to why Mayo should be let go.
00:53:45So his question is, Kenny's question, are there data points that you can point to at
00:53:49the end of the season which either speak to how bad Mayo's first year has been or possibly
00:53:54how average slash expected his performance has been compared to other first-year head
00:53:58coaches?
00:54:00So let's all take a breath.
00:54:05I would say when you look at Mayo compared to other first-year coaches, I do not have
00:54:09a great answer for you here going into week 13.
00:54:13Still without a bye week, but believe me, I've been thinking about it.
00:54:17That is an off-season project and it's a really good one because, or maybe it's something
00:54:21that we'll get to even before the season ends, maybe week 17, 18, because I think there's
00:54:24a really, really good question.
00:54:26How has Mayo done relative to coaches in his circumstances as best you can compare, let's
00:54:30say rookie quarterback, however you might measure roster talent or coming off of a certain
00:54:35record the year before?
00:54:37No question in my mind, Mayo has disappointed in my opinion in his performance and his comments
00:54:42and his messaging, but what you're asking for is how to quantify this.
00:54:45And so what I would say in the meantime, before that project gets done late in the season
00:54:49or in the off-season, here are the areas that you can quantify.
00:54:52Penalties you already mentioned, that's number one.
00:54:54Number two, tackling.
00:54:55Patriots still good at tackling, but for defensive coaches, like that's the most fundamental
00:54:58part of the game.
00:54:59Can you get that right?
00:55:01Patriots have enough.
00:55:03Fourth down aggressiveness though, relative to the models, okay?
00:55:06Chargers and Ravens are playing right now.
00:55:08The Ravens just went for it inside their own 25 yard line around the two minute warning.
00:55:12They got it because it was one yard and they realized more often than not, you're going
00:55:16to get three feet if you want it in the NFL.
00:55:18Jarrod Mayo doesn't get that.
00:55:20He is among the most conservative coaches on fourth down in a way that you should not
00:55:24be when you properly weigh the risk and reward, okay?
00:55:27And you can take in all the factors and the weather and the opponent, yada, yada, okay?
00:55:31People who don't like analytics, which is just such a broad term.
00:55:34Let's be specific.
00:55:35Models, okay?
00:55:36Built on historical data in these situations.
00:55:39Don't take into account.
00:55:40Some do, others don't.
00:55:41None are perfect.
00:55:42The bottom line is he's too conservative and you can see that with the fourth down aggression.
00:55:45Number four, how good is he at challenging plays?
00:55:48He's all for two.
00:55:50He had the worst challenge of the season on Sunday, okay?
00:55:52It's what it is.
00:55:53It's a small thing, but it counts.
00:55:55And then I would go to this first quarter scoring differential because what that says
00:56:00is not only how good are your game plans, right?
00:56:03Are you mining an edge?
00:56:05And that's the job of a coach.
00:56:06What edges are you giving your team that an average coach couldn't do on their own?
00:56:12And it's your ability to have your team focused and motivated and ready to go.
00:56:17And we saw that's not been the case in a few games this season, okay?
00:56:20And you don't need guys talking about going out in London or eating this and eating that
00:56:23to know it.
00:56:24You can see it.
00:56:25You can watch it.
00:56:26The energy level, how it picks up, the body language, how they are on the sideline or
00:56:29first quarter scoring differential.
00:56:30And they've been starting, the Patriots have.
00:56:33Much faster in offense than people have given them credit for.
00:56:35I wrote about it last week.
00:56:36Top 10 by EPA the last six weeks.
00:56:39Running in passing in the first quarter, it's great.
00:56:42Not anymore, actually, probably after Miami, but defensively, they've been slow.
00:56:46So how good is your staff at preparing the team?
00:56:48Patriots have been bad there.
00:56:49They've been bad with challenges.
00:56:50They've been bad on fourth down, good at tackling, sucky at penalties.
00:56:53So yeah, wherever that project ends up, if it gets done, Mayo does not look good.
00:57:00Kurt, cool.
00:57:01I'm not giving up on this season.
00:57:02That being said, I am starting to look ahead.
00:57:04Hey, man, do what you got to do at this point.
00:57:08Is it in the Patriots' best interest to sign a top free agent receiver, Tee Higgins or
00:57:12Chris Godwin, and draft their next starting tackle?
00:57:14Drafting a receiver seems to be hard for them.
00:57:16Yes, you are correct, sir.
00:57:17What would your approach be?
00:57:19Kurt, I am not taking any option off the table.
00:57:23And you listed some free agents, you mentioned the draft.
00:57:25I'm going to make some calls about trades, and I'm not going to give you those names
00:57:27just yet because I have future episodes to do with this podcast, and I need stuff to
00:57:31talk about.
00:57:32But what I'm saying is they cannot come up with a plan and be so rigid that if part of
00:57:39the plan fails, they just kind of give up.
00:57:42Because to me, that has been their plan at offensive tackle, where they just throw numbers
00:57:46and a bunch of guys, and one of them will work out, and they don't.
00:57:50And even when they get hurt, it's not that they're hurt that's the problem.
00:57:54It's that even when they come back, they're not good enough to hold down the job.
00:57:57They need to have all options on the table, signing Godwin, signing Higgins, still drafting
00:58:02a receiver, signing Ronnie Stanley, drafting another offensive tackle, training for a receiver,
00:58:07whatever it might be.
00:58:08You need talent.
00:58:09You need talent at those positions.
00:58:10However you can do it, that's my approach, and have a plan A, B, C, D, E, F, and G, and
00:58:16go all the way to Z for all I care.
00:58:18Just get it done.
00:58:20No more excuses.
00:58:21Get the money, get the draft resources, get extra picks.
00:58:24Go get those players.
00:58:26Last one, and then Travel Tales, which is going to be, spoiler, low-key Miami, as far
00:58:31as Travel Tales go.
00:58:32Yap, what has Mayo done to avoid being scrutinized more by the media?
00:58:37This team looks significantly worse year over year, and it's fallen off down the stretch
00:58:40as well.
00:58:41Why does the poor coaching get excused by a bad roster when they are not seemingly coaching
00:58:45anyone up, May excluded?
00:58:48So May excluded is the big one, right?
00:58:50That's the highest pick of the draft.
00:58:53It's a guy playing the most important position.
00:58:55That's one of the best players in your team already, and I'm not saying your phrasing
00:59:01isn't correct, and that outside of May, it's probably Keisha and Booty.
00:59:05Up until Sunday, you might say Vidarian Lowe, and our guy Doug tweeted a story about this
00:59:08and took a really good, hard look at it.
00:59:10Lowe, by the way, last year was unplayable last year, so at least that guy's on the field,
00:59:14and believe it or not, you guys were clamoring for him to come back when he was hurt, and
00:59:20I hoped he would come back, A, because you want a guy to be healthy, but B, he's still
00:59:24their best left tackle.
00:59:25Anyway, I do not at all agree with the premise that May has avoided being scrutinized by
00:59:31the media.
00:59:32I have written at least four post-game columns, so game is over, go down, ask questions in
00:59:38the press comments, go in the locker room, ask more questions, and then explain to you
00:59:41how he got outcoached and why this wasn't good enough, okay?
00:59:45So it's not me, and I'll say it again, there's no pride, there's no hair being put on your
00:59:51chest, there's no extra inch here or there, wherever you might want.
00:59:54By being negative, being negative is not the point, being fair is the goal, okay?
01:00:00And yes, it's been bad, so I will be critical when I think it's appropriate, I'll give praise
01:00:05when I think so too, that's the job I have as the columnist in addition to reporting.
01:00:09So I would say if you're upset with the media for not giving enough scrutiny to Mayo, I
01:00:14would start being more specific about that, because I just can't help you here, and it's
01:00:19not because I've grown tired of writing those columns, I've grown tired of a lot of stuff
01:00:22about this team, and I told you that, that was the lead in my last column, going, can
01:00:26they just do better, they need to show progress.
01:00:30But it is a bad roster, it's not a great coaching staff, I think there will be changes to the
01:00:34coaching staff and more changes to the roster.
01:00:36So I don't know how well that answers your question, we made mention of a couple of players
01:00:40who did get better, but they were left in a bad spot, they've been worse than we expected,
01:00:45and I have let you know how and why Mayo has failed several times already.
01:00:50So he's certainly not avoided it for me.
01:00:53Travel tales.
01:00:54Okay, like I said, pretty tame trip to Miami.
01:00:56I love going to Miami, I love to get in early, get a rental car, drive around the city, Dunn
01:01:02South Beach, Dunn-Winwood, shout out Jay Wakefield, Sister Brewery of Vitamin C, which has gotten
01:01:06plenty of shout outs here, go see Vitamin C in Plymouth, go see them in Weymouth.
01:01:12Anyway, I enjoy going back to Miami.
01:01:15This though was a family trip, this was not going to South Beach, this was not going on
01:01:19Marlins game, this wasn't anything.
01:01:204 a.m. wake up on Saturday, I got a 6 a.m. flight out of Logan, I got a rental, instead
01:01:25of driving down towards the city, I drove to Miami Gardens, where the stadium is, it's
01:01:29about like 30 minutes north of Miami and 20 minutes southwest of Fort Lauderdale.
01:01:35And it's because I was going to see my cousin, who is a senior at the University of Miami,
01:01:39and they played their last home game against Wake Forest.
01:01:41So parked there, walked to meet him, used to get that familiar pang of jealousy, which
01:01:46still happens on the road.
01:01:48Honestly, sometimes it's a lot of just walking through the tailgates in the crowd, like you
01:01:53all are just going to drink beer, and you're going to eat burgers, and you're going to
01:01:56have dogs.
01:01:57And I love my job, I wouldn't trade my job in for almost anything.
01:02:00I'm going to cover my 100th regular season or postseason Patriots game in person on Sunday,
01:02:06and it blows my freaking mind.
01:02:08But would I turn down a beer or a hot dog in the press box?
01:02:13No.
01:02:14Anyway, I get the same pang of like, oh, all these people are going to go watch this Miami
01:02:18Wake Forest game.
01:02:19I just, I'm going to get to drink, and wait a minute, I get to drink and hang out today.
01:02:22So I meet my cousin, a great kid, and I made a point to hang out with him the last few
01:02:27years when he's been in school, because that side of the family is one of these, you really
01:02:32just kind of see him at funerals the last 10, 15 years, and they're in upstate New York.
01:02:37And anyway, we got good tickets, we're about 25 rows up from behind the Miami sideline,
01:02:42and the shaded side, by the way, you talk about home field advantage, that place is
01:02:46nothing to do with crowd noise.
01:02:47It's all about the fact that the way the roof is oriented, and the sun shines through, it
01:02:52sets, not actually, but it heats up the away bench in a way that is completely different,
01:02:59like five to 10 degrees, sometimes more from the shade on the home bench.
01:03:02Anyway, so we're on the home bench, good tickets, guy in front of us is just apoplectic with
01:03:06every UM mistake next to his sons or somehow high school, college, and you just are like,
01:03:11this is who you're probably going to be in 20 years.
01:03:13Anyway, UM never gets their arms around the game, they gave him an open-ended drive touchdown
01:03:17to Wake Forge, it was not good, can't throw, kickoff return touchdown, and some turnover,
01:03:21so it's 20 to 14 early in the fourth quarter, but then they blow them out, because that's
01:03:25what you do when you're just that much more talented.
01:03:28Elliot Wolfe and Alonzo Highsmith were both there, by the way, courtesy of Mike Reece,
01:03:32so I think he tweeted out the next day, both of them are Miami grads, take my cousin to
01:03:37world of beer up in Miramar, shout out, Flanagan's, which I'd never been to before, it is a local
01:03:43South Florida chain of technically seafood, but there's, it's like one of those diner
01:03:49menus that we have everything, there's no way they're good at everything, but they're
01:03:53good enough, tons of TVs, lots of drinks, lots of fun, really cheap too, by the way,
01:04:00I had a prime rib for $21, which I will underscore what I just said, it's good enough, okay,
01:04:07but like, you're not turning down prime rib for $21, I don't think anywhere that you might
01:04:12be.
01:04:13We then meet up with Doug, the MassLive guys, Mark Daniels and Chris Mason at Topgolf, I
01:04:16booked this a few weeks ago, my cousin puts one over the side of the net, okay, none of
01:04:22us are pro golfers, so Mason absolutely clobbered the ball down the middle, and we're playing
01:04:26games, I don't know, for like two hours, but that drew the biggest cheer of the night when
01:04:29he put one outside the net, obviously a huge shank, pole, whatever, I don't play golf regularly,
01:04:34so good fun, drove back to campus, get back at 11, 1130, I've been up for 20 hours, so
01:04:39we go to the game, cover it, Patriots lose, Doug and I briefly drive around Hurd Rock
01:04:43Stadium afterward on the F1 track, because yes, we were lost, but we just felt like we
01:04:49deserved it after watching that game, because it was a tough one, and I don't know anything
01:04:52about F1, but I will absolutely mention that story to all of my in-laws when I see them
01:04:57for Thanksgiving this weekend down in Connecticut, and it was 9 a.m. flight back out of Lauderdale,
01:05:03and I've been doing film since then, so this podcast, as always, goes longer than I would
01:05:07have thought, if you are still hanging around, please let us know, God, it's been over an
01:05:12hour, yeah, please give us a rating, five stars on Apple, that would be something I
01:05:16will be very thankful for, I might even tell my in-laws about it, as well as the F1 story,
01:05:19Spotify, Apple, we will always appreciate the feedback, you can email me, akalian at
01:05:23bostonherald.com, this game was not good, I hope you enjoyed what we had here today,
01:05:28the Patriots get the Colts on Sunday, we are actually gonna have a different week, too,
01:05:32by the time you hear this, Drake May is speaking Tuesday, DeRod Mayo is speaking Tuesday, normally
01:05:36those both happen on Wednesday, the Patriots are practicing Tuesday and Wednesday, and
01:05:41then they're gonna be off Thursday with the rest of us before coming back on Friday, so
01:05:43a little bit of a different schedule, they'll come back, kick off Sunday at 1, and then
01:05:48the bye week, so we'll see if they bounce back, until then, I will have another episode,
01:05:52not sure when, we'll have a guest, and I hope you have a fantastic Thanksgiving, wherever
01:05:57you might be, be well.

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