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Alex Barth and Brian Hines go LIVE to recap the Patriots Week 10 win vs the Bears. They discuss Drake Maye vs Caleb Williams, the Patriots stout defense and encouraging offensive playcalling.
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00:00What's going on everyone, welcome back into another live edition of the Patriots Beat
00:29Podcast here on the CLNS Media Network, presented by our wonderful friends over at Game Time
00:36Prize Picks and PXG.
00:38It is Brian Hines, back as always with Alex Barth, I think we're in the wrong boxes here,
00:43but it is Brian Hines.
00:44Oh, I can get that.
00:45There we go.
00:46There we go.
00:47We flipped it around, but a victory Monday again, Patriots are winners out of two out
00:51of three, breaking news, huge news as they beat the Chicago Bears.
00:57Is that momentum, Brian?
00:59Momentum?
01:00Could it be?
01:01Dare we use that word?
01:02Could it be a little bit of momentum?
01:04The tank-a-thon people are hurting out of these last few weeks, but 19 to three win
01:10over the Bears in the Windy City.
01:12The Bears, woof, we can talk about them too.
01:15But I did want to start, you know, we started last week's show when they lost the Titans
01:21about the coaching staff, because we felt like there were a few key parts of that game
01:26that the coaching staff really fumbled and may have lost them, you know, that close game
01:31that went into overtime.
01:32But I thought it was a bounce back performance from the coaching staff, Gerard Mayo, the
01:38coordinators that he even singled out after the game that had good game plans, good weeks
01:42of practice going in, and it was a step in the right direction for those guys.
01:47So did you feel the same about that, or how do you feel, you know, a week after what we
01:51thought they lost them the game, do you feel a little bit better about the staff after
01:55this week?
01:56I mean, I, they definitely, like, it was a better performance from the staff.
02:01And I think having to wrinkle with Brennan Schooler is something we haven't seen from
02:05them in a while.
02:06I thought being able to win the game without having to lean on Drake May so extremely was
02:12encouraging.
02:14I also think you feel better about them just because, like, you see what the other alternatives
02:19are.
02:20The Bears were supposed to be this unbelievable landing spot, and that was, and it starts
02:25with the coaching, a brutal, brutal experience and just interacting with Bears fans.
02:30I don't think that that was the, I don't think that was an exception.
02:35So, you know, for as much as his coaching staff has been maligned, don't get me wrong,
02:40they have been far from perfect.
02:43I was pretty brutal to see what the Bears are bringing to the table too.
02:46Yeah.
02:47The body language for those guys.
02:49I mean, there was the clips of like them not picking up Caleb Williams, DJ Moore, DJ Moore
02:54has been like a yearly thing, like his poor body language.
02:57Yeah.
02:58And, you know, you go back to the London game was the big one for the Pats where they fall
03:03to one in seven.
03:05You know that the whole soft comments come out of Gerard and that could have been easily
03:10the turning point where the Patriots players are just kind of like, all right, let's pack
03:13this thing in.
03:14We could start to look like the Bears, but you've seen now again, two out of three games
03:19they won the other one, they went to overtime.
03:21Like they're still playing hard for, you know, Mayo and his staff.
03:26And that's big when you are a young team and you are trying to establish this culture,
03:31you know, this is the foundational year that they've, uh, they've talked about so much
03:35because, you know, playoffs are, were a lofty goal going into the year.
03:39So you knew you were going to lose some games, but the fact that they're still playing hard
03:43for Mayo, I think is a really encouraging sign because yeah, like they're, we talked
03:49even before that the Bears might be quitting on Matt Eberfluss and his staff and it was
03:54ugly for, for Chicago there on Sunday.
03:57So I do think that is encouraging for the Pats perspective.
04:00And you said, you know, the Brendan Schooler package, some of those other things they did
04:05in the game, some schematic changes again, it wasn't perfect, but I thought that was
04:09kind of a step forward and some good progress there from the coaches, especially after that
04:14Titans game.
04:15Yeah.
04:16Now, now it's about building on it because, I mean, we'll talk about this as we go on.
04:21There are certain things you look at from that game.
04:22We just talked about how piss poor the bears were coached and, and you know, some of the
04:27issues that they had and that they've had this year and it's all right, well, did the
04:31Patriots improve or, you know, it's, it's the old, did the Patriots win that game or
04:35did the bears lose it to the Patriots get better or the bears just that bad.
04:40I don't think you can make a blanket statement on that.
04:42I think it's different in different facets of the game.
04:46And the next step for the coaching staff is, so I'll give you one, for instance, like the
04:50pass rush nine, nine sacks is great, awesome against what, what is a pretty bad offensive
04:58line to begin with.
05:00And then they're down both starting tackles coming into the game.
05:02They were down a guard as well.
05:04They lost Tevin Jenkins during the game.
05:07You should embarrass that group.
05:09You should make that group look like a bunch of scrubs because they had a bunch of guys
05:12off the street in there and you can only play who you play.
05:16So that was who they were playing and they embarrassed them as they should have.
05:20It's going to get tougher.
05:22And can the coaching staff use this as a long point?
05:26They're not going to get nine sacks next week.
05:28And it's not necessarily a step back if they don't get nine sacks next week.
05:33If they looked like they did against Tennessee, it is absolutely a step back.
05:36So even if the production isn't going to be the same, like, can you use the results?
05:41Can you use these results to build some sort of momentum?
05:44Use it as a foundation moving forward.
05:46Yeah.
05:47Yeah.
05:48I mean, we mentioned going into the game, like the Cardinals who played the bears last
05:51week set a record for, they had 16 different players, individual players record at least
05:56one pressure.
05:57They had Caleb under pressure like 45% of the time, which was right around the number
06:02of the paths got to yesterday.
06:03So that, that, that production is kind of an outlier again, the situation with the bears
06:08offensive line that you just kind of laid out there, but don't go back to the Titans
06:13game or the Jaguars game where, you know, what'd you say?
06:15They could send Trevor Lawrence's Jersey to the pro shop and no one would even know it's
06:19game worn or something like find that.
06:21I mean, you look at what happened with the Jags yesterday and it's, yeah, I, it's hard
06:27to believe that's the same group.
06:28Yeah.
06:29If they could find that middle ground that can be a little bit more consistent of a performing
06:34unit and some of those spots that that's what you're looking for.
06:39So that was kind of the thing Gerard Mayo hinted at this morning, right?
06:44Sustainability.
06:45He said, this is how they have to win.
06:47He compared it to the week one win against Cincinnati, which if you remember a few weeks
06:52after that, when he said that was unsustainable.
06:56So he said he always has the right to change his mind and based off where they are now
07:02in the schedule with the team, do you think this is the sustainable path for them?
07:08Like this, he said, you know, play good defense, you know, able to run the football finally
07:13a special teams was up and down, but you know, probably a win for most of the day with Joey
07:18sly.
07:19So is this path kind of sustainable and can lead them to victories to close this year
07:24out?
07:25Well, this is where you got to sort through, you know, what you're on Mayo saying, because
07:30remember he talked after the bangles game and said, that's what we want to do, right?
07:33This is our identity.
07:34And then didn't a couple of weeks ago, he said something like, yeah, we knew the bangles
07:37game wasn't sustainable.
07:38Yeah.
07:39Remember that?
07:40And now he comes out today and he's like, this reminds me of the bangles game.
07:43This is how we want to play.
07:44So the difference obviously is you have Drake may, that's, that's a big difference.
07:49You also played a worse team, but winning at the line of scrimmage is never going to
07:54be a bad thing.
07:56And that's what yesterday was about.
07:57They were getting their ass beat at the line of scrimmage, both sides of the ball up and
07:59down the field for essentially three weeks.
08:01They could do nothing about it.
08:02And yesterday they were the team that was getting the initial push every time.
08:06Now it's probably going to be somewhere in the middle, like when it all evens out, sometimes
08:10you're going to get the push.
08:11Sometimes you're going to get pushed back.
08:12Like that's competitive football.
08:13It's the NFL.
08:14The gap between the best team and the worst team is much smaller than people realize.
08:19But yeah, if, if by, you know, winning at the line of scrimmage, then yeah, then this
08:24is the way they need to play.
08:25They're not good enough to have, to, to put everything on second level players, which
08:32is receivers linebackers, right?
08:35They're not built like that.
08:36So few teams are, but especially them.
08:39So yeah, in that sense, it's sustainable, but it's not, you're not, you're not guaranteed
08:44to have that push every week.
08:45You got to keep building on it.
08:46Yep.
08:47I just pulled up the quote and he did say the last thing he said was the physicality
08:51part is what he wanted to focus on there.
08:54Exactly.
08:55So you're not, you're not going to win games, score in 19 points every week.
08:58As we just said, you're not going to get nine sacks every game and hold teams to three points.
09:02But if you can win the line of scrimmages in particular, as they did last week, as they
09:07did against Cincinnati, that's the best path forward pretty much for every team, right?
09:12Across the league, winning the, winning the line of scrimmage is the best way to translate
09:16into wins.
09:17So that, that, that's what they need to do going forward.
09:22Be the more physical team when the line of scrimmage, and that's what he is kind of harping
09:25on for being the sustainable part from those two wins.
09:29So that was kind of some of the coaching points I wanted to hit on.
09:34We can talk Drake versus Caleb, number one pick versus number three overall pick.
09:41Caleb was rough.
09:42That was a tough game for him.
09:44He looks kind of like he's playing scared and a lot of that is Shane Waldron.
09:47That offense is not doing him any favors.
09:51Drake probably outplayed him, but I also might've been Drake's worst starts.
09:56I would say, um, you know, he had another bad turnover.
09:59I don't, didn't think he was seeing the field as well as, as he has been.
10:03So what'd you think of Drake and Caleb too, if you had any points of watching him kind
10:09of live for the first time?
10:10So I would just say big picture.
10:14I think a lot of the issues we've had with how the Patriots have handled Drake may schematically.
10:20And I'm not saying those issues don't still exist.
10:22They do, but you look at what the bears are doing with Caleb Williams and it's like an
10:27extreme version, right?
10:29Why aren't they putting Drake in pistol?
10:31You know, should they be doing more play action?
10:34Like it's around the edges type of stuff.
10:36And it seems big when it's the only team you're focusing on and look, Caleb Williams was not
10:40good yesterday.
10:41He got incredibly sped up.
10:43Fell apart.
10:44But a lot of what they're asking him to do is fighting who he is as a player and he was
10:51never going to be able to play the way he did in college and fully out of structure.
10:54But it seems like there's an emphasis on having him standing in the pocket, making reads and
11:00delivering the ball and not using his legs.
11:02And that's, it's bizarre.
11:03So he wasn't good.
11:05Waldron wasn't good.
11:08May was better.
11:09Like there, and there's still some things they need to do it with Drake May.
11:13It was Drake May's least productive game by far.
11:16And I, in a way, I actually think that's encouraging because look, they were able, and this is
11:23goes to coach Steph.
11:24They were able to win without having to lean on Drake May, 25 pass attempts, fewest in
11:28a full game this year.
11:29Like I'd say start, but you know, throughout the Jets game, he had one big run late, but
11:33wasn't really a factor in the run game.
11:34They didn't need him to be cause they got the run game going.
11:37He was kind of long for the ride.
11:39He threw that one atrocious pick.
11:42And I think that came down to indecision.
11:44If you go, I know, I know he said he was trying to throw it away.
11:47I he's, he's strong enough to get that ball to the boundary.
11:51Maybe he was trying to, you know, turf it.
11:53But if you go back and look like he starts rolling out and okay.
11:58So is there a throw there?
12:00Maybe you have it over the linebacker or maybe he's trying to throw it away.
12:02But if you watch his feet, it'd be tough to feather it.
12:06It's a tough throw.
12:07If you watch his feet, like, so, but you're either like, you got to throw that on the
12:11run and use the mechanics of throwing it on the run and use your momentum to get more
12:15on the ball or you set your feet and throw.
12:18And instead he like half sets his feet.
12:21And I think he had time.
12:22He had the option to do either.
12:24I think if he sets his feet, he might get it, but it's going to be after the ball comes
12:27out.
12:29So he like half sets his feet.
12:31It looks like kind of sees a defender in his periphery.
12:34Who's not close, but he's there.
12:36And then goes into like this little skip is jump passes.
12:41So that was just a rookie moment to me.
12:44That was him getting overwhelmed.
12:45And that's the kind of thing where we've talked about the turnovers are going to go down.
12:49They're never going to go away.
12:50They're going to go down and it's about limiting them.
12:53That's when you just can't do it yet.
12:54That's one where it's like, you know, mistake repeater at that point.
12:58But besides that, I thought he was clean.
13:01He made a couple of big throws when they needed him to, but he was kind of along for the ride
13:05and they were able to win with him doing that.
13:07And I think that's encouraging.
13:08Yeah, that was such a big thing because, you know, we talked so much against after the
13:13Titans game, he did everything like he had to do the whole offense.
13:17He had more yards, you know, if you count in like the sacks, like the net yards, like
13:21he out gained the whole team.
13:23So the fact that he didn't have all of the load on his shoulder and he got some help
13:28with the run game, you know, he mentioned, especially on first down, they averaged almost
13:32five yards per carry on first down, which just makes everyone's life easier.
13:37You know, that was a big thing because it was a good bears.
13:40You know, we talked about the bears.
13:41Their past defense is still a good town to pass defense.
13:46So you didn't expect them, you know, put 300 yards, three touchdowns up.
13:49You knew this was going to be a little bit more of a challenge.
13:51They seemed like they wanted to keep him more in the pocket too.
13:54So there was going to be some struggles you would expect.
13:57But the fact that he got some help was big and you mentioned the interception can't have
14:01it, but the way he bounced back to, you know, he throws a horrible interception, comes back
14:06to the next drive, goes five for five, 54 yards, a touchdown, the only touchdown drive
14:10of the game.
14:11And then, and we can talk about this big moment.
14:14They get the ball back to the next drive and a half, they get down in field goal range.
14:19You know, he makes maybe his best throw of the day to cash on booty over the middle of
14:23the big chunk gain there to, you know, steal kind of three points at the end of the half.
14:27They're a great play by booty to get the ball to the ref.
14:30And he's been doing all year, they get the spike down, get the field goal.
14:34I didn't love, you know, we have to be fair and honest, you know, I complained about it
14:38last week.
14:39So I'll complain about the third and one run call again on that two minute or really it
14:45was like a 30 second drive.
14:46It wasn't a two minute drive.
14:48They only had like 35 seconds, but maybe they didn't maximize the full clock there, but
14:53they scored points.
14:54So you can't yell at them.
14:56You unfortunately can't do your rant, uh, against them at the end of half situation.
15:00So maybe a little bit of sign of progress there too.
15:04Yeah.
15:05Yeah.
15:06They can't figure out the two minute drill, but 35 seconds, no problem.
15:08Maybe they should start taking a knee when they get the ball back late in the first half.
15:12Um, again, like use that build on it.
15:15Are there things you did there?
15:16And they still do the third one gun run, which it worked and it made more sense there than
15:21it did last week.
15:23But is it, can you learn from that to improve your two minute drill?
15:28Can you learn from the 35 seconds to improve the two minute drill?
15:31That's what I would, you know, if I'm the coaching staff, that's what I'm looking at
15:34this week.
15:35Yeah.
15:36I get, it wasn't as bad as a run play than last week.
15:39It, like it might've cost you one shot to the end zone considering you hit a big play
15:44on the third and one and you called your time out and then maybe you take one shot to the
15:48end zone and then kick your field goal.
15:50But I don't know, maybe just, they didn't fully maximize the clock or the yardage there.
15:55But again, they hit the big play right after that, the booty great throw a good catch,
16:00good awareness after, and they still get the three points.
16:02So progress.
16:03Uh, now you got to build off of it.
16:05So, uh, anything else from the Drake or Caleb, I mean, bears have to fire Shane Waldron or
16:12at least make a play call or change, which is anything else from those two quarterbacks
16:16to change your opinion.
16:19Maybe about the draft.
16:20I know it's so early, but, uh, hindsight's 2020, like I, it doesn't change my opinion
16:26about the draft.
16:27It's more about the bears maybe weren't as good of a landing spot as we thought they
16:32were.
16:33And maybe it's the approach in that, you know, the Patriots had dedicated quarterbacks coach
16:37and he may not, or like a true quarterbacks coach and, and Alex van Pelton, maybe he doesn't
16:42end up being the play caller they need him to be, but there's still value in the development.
16:46Um, I mean, I offensive line is adjacent right to the quarterback.
16:51I guess I would just say, Hey, look, those five guys that have gotten used to playing
16:55together actually pretty good when they play together, stop, stop tweaking it.
17:00Like just leave those five in.
17:02I'm sorry that Lane Robinson is not a part of it.
17:05I know they want to develop them, do it on the practice field, do it next summer.
17:09Not right now.
17:10That group works.
17:11Don't touch it.
17:12Yeah.
17:13No, I was going to go with the, uh, O-line next.
17:15I mean, we talked a lot.
17:17I think when we did our preview show, it was still looking like Michael, when he was going
17:21to play left guard.
17:22Um, but we get out to practice on Friday and now he's flipped back to right guard.
17:27And then they, they stuck with it on, uh, to start the game, finished the game, uh,
17:32the line that started the jets game, finished the Titans game with Mike at right guard,
17:37uh, trade Jacobs at right tackle Ben Brown at center, Michael Jordan at left guard and
17:42the Darien low at left tackle.
17:44Was it perfect?
17:45Again?
17:46No, the pressure rate was just under 40%.
17:48Drake got hit seven times, but it, it was an improvement and you saw better play from
17:54Michael Jordan and Ben Brown.
17:56It wasn't a complete kind of dumpster fire.
17:58Like it was when the Titans game started and they shook that up.
18:02Now the bears, you know, they don't have a Jeffrey Simmons, but they still have a pretty
18:06good front up there and to stick with some continuity.
18:10And you saw a better play like Michael went to might've been their worst lineman and you
18:15could say, sure.
18:16Like he was playing left guard, two practices, and now he's playing at right guard.
18:20Just those movements again, probably not helping the cause, but you stick with the same lineup.
18:24This is the third time they've started together and you're starting to see that kind of pay
18:28off with the protection again, not perfect.
18:32And then a little bit more room on the ground game finally to help take some of the pressure
18:35off your quarterback, rookie quarterback.
18:38Yeah.
18:39So again, I think you just, you got to stay with that group.
18:42Like it's working.
18:43You got to stay with them.
18:44Yup.
18:45Got out of there healthy too, so they can, they can stick with them if they want to.
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19:59A bit of a curve ball to the wide receiver room on Sunday.
20:04We had, um, it was reported after a couple series, Andrew Callahan and Boston Herald
20:11said Kendrick Bourne was told Saturday night that he might not be playing much in order
20:15to play some of the young guys.
20:18But that young guy was 27 year old KJ Osborne, who's on a one year deal because he played
20:23the second most amount of their snaps, 29 snaps, Keyshawn booty, as he kind of has been
20:28led the room was 62.
20:30And then it was popped Douglas at 27, a little bit of an increase for Jalen Polk, 26 J Vaughn
20:35Baker stayed at four and Kendrick Bourne zero.
20:37So they did play a lot of the game out of their two tight end sets, right?
20:43So KJ Osborne as a run blocker, uh, and Polk, they were in there a lot.
20:48If you look at the splits, Douglas played more past, past Osborne did, even though Osborne
20:54played more snaps total, which makes sense.
20:56Well, yeah, but it's still just felt like a weird move.
21:01And I, and I know Bourne, you know, he didn't practice in the offense all summer.
21:05You could see, you know, last week he had a couple errors with his route depth and some
21:10of the mental stuff.
21:11But if you want to play the kids, like put J Vaughn Baker in jail and Polk out there
21:17more, not KJ Osborne.
21:19That just felt like a weird switch to me.
21:22I don't know how you felt about it.
21:23Yeah.
21:24I didn't like it.
21:25Well, let me start with what I did.
21:26Like Drake may and in case Sean booty have chemistry and booties coming along and he's
21:31been a nice player and him being the most used wide receiver makes sense at this point.
21:35Good for him for working his way up to that.
21:37Like he's earned that.
21:38I like that.
21:40Pop Douglas going to stay involved makes like he's good player.
21:43Makes sense.
21:45But he does have those limitations on like run situations.
21:47Like we just talked about, which is where like Jalen Polk, you saw, he sets a block
21:51on the goal line on second down and they're able to use that.
21:54They turn into a check and release to get them open on third down for the touchdown.
21:58But again, so Callahan reports during the game that that Bourne's not playing cause
22:02they want to get the kids on the field more, which like fine.
22:06I, and everybody knows how I feel about Kendrick Bourne.
22:08I think Kendrick Bourne should be out there as much as anybody, but if you want to tell
22:12me it's play the kids, you know, we're going to put Polk out there.
22:15Baker's actually going to play.
22:16He's going to run routes.
22:17He's going to get targets like fine.
22:19Do they not like KJ Osborne?
22:20He's technically younger than Bourne, 27 Bourne's 29, but 27 year old and expiring contract.
22:27I don't know if they're trying to placate him cause they couldn't trade him and they
22:30want to make sure he doesn't become a problem.
22:32I don't know if they wanted to like showcase him so that, you know, do him a favor.
22:37Like, Hey, play this week.
22:38We'll showcase you.
22:39Then we'll cut you.
22:40Maybe it's that, uh, there's really no football reason to play KJ Osborne over Kendrick Bourne.
22:46And they're really, they're really, you know, putting a lot behind this guy in terms of
22:54the snaps this week, you heard Alex van Pelt talk about him as a leader the week after
22:58he kind of messaged that he wanted to trade.
23:02Um, it makes me wonder if they think he's part of the plan moving forward, even though
23:07he's not an expiring contract.
23:08They gave him a lot of money, relatively speaking, like you got a $4 million contract in free
23:13agency this year, 3 million of it was guaranteed a little over 3 million.
23:17That's a lot for that situation.
23:19So they clearly like him even though he really hasn't shown anything.
23:23And yeah, I, I, it wasn't cause they were playing the kids.
23:27Like I'm not saying Andrew was lying.
23:29I believe he was told that cause he's good at his job and he's not going to make stuff
23:33up.
23:34But I think that was just a line they put out there because D didn't play the kids.
23:40Like I, we saw it, right.
23:41The kids sound like it sounds like a good reason to bench Kendrick Bourne.
23:44Right.
23:45Like I think everyone could get behind if it was Jayvon Baker out there for 20 snaps,
23:49he was, but he was out there for four and it was for run plays, right?
23:53So like that's not playing the kids.
23:55You saw a little bit more Polk, but you know, that was just built in.
23:59It seemed like that was trending.
24:01So you didn't just see more of the kids you saw KJ Osborne, right?
24:05So I, I don't know if they look at him and they're like, he's only 27 and he's had a
24:09down year so we can resign them easily and you know, next year he's going to be a big
24:13part of it.
24:14But like, I don't know, I'd rather have the better receiver out there for my rookie quarterback.
24:19Yeah.
24:20The, the only thing that really made sense to me was just the kind of the mental errors
24:25for KB last week and you know, Osborne has spent the whole summer in the offense.
24:31He kind of played in a similar offense in Minnesota, right?
24:34He probably has these things down, but I add a rather just play the kids or B work through
24:41those mental errors with Kendrick Bourne because he gives you more as an actual receiver, right?
24:45Like his separation skills are better.
24:48He's better with the ball in his hands after the catch.
24:50So it was a weird decision.
24:52Again, like if you want to put Kendrick Bourne on the bench to play Jayvon Baker, I think
24:57we all want to see a little bit more Jayvon Baker at this point.
25:00They keep telling us how explosive he is, which you know, you watch it.
25:03If you go back in college and watch them, they say they want to get him more involved
25:07and they're not getting him more involved.
25:09So it was kind of a weird choice.
25:12I don't know if it's just going to be a week by week thing or how, how things just kind
25:17of keep going.
25:18But weird choice just to put KJ in there, uh, overborne shout out to Kendrick Bourne
25:24for seemingly handling it great.
25:26Like there was a video that they posted to all the guys running off the field after,
25:30and you would not know Kendrick Bourne played zero snaps, like still had all of his energy.
25:35You know, he's wanted to be a bigger leader in the locker room and he definitely is.
25:39So credit to him to handling it, but just kind of a weird change, uh, there.
25:44So we'll, we'll see if that sticks or how the room looks, uh, next week, but it was
25:49good to see Jalen Polk find the end zone.
25:52It was his only catch of the game, but I'm sure that kind of felt like a monkey off the
25:56back for him with all the struggles he's been going through, uh, to make a play and get
26:00in, get in the end zone there.
26:02So that, that was good to see from him, but, um, maybe that's the one that gets him going.
26:06Right.
26:07We've talked about just a confidence booster.
26:08Can you, can you start turning the page and I mean, we'll see if that's it, but with these
26:13mental things, like it can be a little thing like that can be a little thing that gets
26:16you in it.
26:17It can be a little thing that gets you out of it.
26:18Yup.
26:19So hopefully that flips a switch for him.
26:21Big second half would be big.
26:23So, um, anything else for the offense for you?
26:28Uh, I mean, Austin Hooper had a good game, uh, in the tight end spot, a couple of big
26:33catches.
26:34Um, but anything else in your offensive notes before we move on?
26:39Yeah.
26:40I mean, the run blocking was better.
26:41That's one.
26:42I'm more chalk up to the, the bears not being great at it.
26:44Like the one thing that the bears have a good pass rush.
26:47So I, I give the line a ton of credit there.
26:51Um, uh, I did think reminder, Stevenson ran well.
26:54I thought you saw him finishing runs, right?
26:58Falling forward, not letting the first defender bring him down.
27:00That stuff he was doing early in the year.
27:02He hadn't done it the last few weeks.
27:03He was coming back from that foot injury.
27:05This was the first game in a while.
27:06It felt like he really ran angry and you see what a difference it makes.
27:08So I, I thought he was good in this game and I liked that Antonio Gibson got some
27:12run late one because he should be playing more and it was an opportunity for him to
27:16show the coaches.
27:17He should be playing more and just in that moment, you know, like I just said, physical
27:20game for Monterey Stevenson, take a little bit off his plate, manage his workload a little
27:24bit.
27:25Yeah.
27:26I'd love to see more of him.
27:27I might be an injury.
27:28He's been on the injury report.
27:30So maybe that's why he's been limited, but I think he should get, uh, some more, some
27:34more touches there.
27:35You can see the explosiveness and they need explosive plate makers.
27:39Ramon Dre definitely ran hard.
27:41I will say, I thought there were one or two, like he had one-on-ones with defensive backs
27:46and he couldn't make a miss.
27:47So, um, but he did run hard and even like the pass protection, some big plays as a physical
27:54pass protector.
27:55So, um, good, good game from him.
27:59Besides some of those misses, I would have liked to see him make, you know, if you're,
28:02if you're paying your running back, your top paid running back, you'd like to see maybe
28:05break one of those too.
28:06But, um, yeah, I definitely agree on Antonio Gibson, more of him.
28:10So, uh, let's flip over to the defense.
28:15I mean, the big thing was the lawn horn package.
28:17That was a really good design by Covington and Mayo to use Brendan schooler and those
28:22obvious third down passing situations, right?
28:25Schooler even said the stat after the game, Williams had Caleb Williams had like 34 plays
28:29where you held the ball for six seconds or longer, which is absurd.
28:33And you see that as a lot of the game, Caleb Williams wants to play.
28:36So that was a really creative package and it worked, right?
28:40He had the pressure or the, he had the quarterback hit and then he had the sack, like really
28:45interesting wrinkle from that group.
28:47Maybe you might even see it more.
28:48I think Devon Godchild just said in the locker room, like we need that more because we play
28:52some athletic quarterbacks in the second half of the year.
28:55So a credit where credits do that.
28:57That was an awesome wrinkle and it worked with school or playing, playing some defense
29:01there.
29:02Yeah.
29:03Yeah.
29:04It's been a while since they did something like that.
29:05And it, it makes sense.
29:06They're struggling to, to find athletic off ball linebackers, lose Mack Wilson, free agency,
29:11Rayquan McMillan obviously didn't have it this year.
29:13He was just cut.
29:14And unfortunately like the next few weeks probably don't need it, right?
29:18You shouldn't need Brennan schooler to spy Matthew Stafford or, you know, probably Joe
29:23Flacco in a couple of weeks, but they still have Josh Allen twice.
29:26They've Kyler Murray.
29:27They've Justin Herbert.
29:28They have more athletic quarterbacks and you can see like, there is a little bit of
29:33that special teams.
29:34Just close the distance, just pick the right angle and close the distance.
29:37And school was doing that.
29:39And it's not like he's totally alien to it.
29:41He played, he was a starting safety as a freshman in college played, uh, you know, with the
29:47defensive unit a lot in camp in the preseason, not saying he needs to be on the field a ton.
29:51That was probably about as much as he needed to be.
29:54It's very situational, but it's a good wrinkle to have.
29:58We've been waiting for the defensive coaching staff to kind of put something like that in
30:03and they finally did.
30:04Yeah.
30:05Just those obvious passing downs, third downs, like perfect time to, to call that it was,
30:10you know, similar to, they did something against Lamar Jackson that was kind of similar with
30:14John Jones.
30:15So, you know, it was, it was buried there somewhere in Gillette stadium and they went
30:19and found it.
30:20So credit to them.
30:21And, you know, schooler was a perfect guy to do that again, as you said, with that skillset,
30:25that special team skillset kind of translating there.
30:27So good wrinkle part of the game plan.
30:29What'd you think of the rest of the game plan?
30:32It was a ton of man to man.
30:34I think they played man to man at like the third highest rate of any team this season.
30:38It was over 60%, which we've been kind of clamoring for them just to play more man in
30:43general.
30:44So I thought that was good.
30:45You saw the success, good, good coverage plan.
30:47We saw John Jones more at free safety in some of those situations.
30:51So did you like the plan and then the execution on other parts of that besides the Brendan
30:58schooler package?
30:59All right.
31:00Yeah, I did.
31:01I did.
31:02I thought they, the big thing for me was, and this goes back to the bears.
31:09They had that one drive where they kept throwing Keenan Allen and, and they were putting multiple
31:14guys on it.
31:15They tried Marcus Jones.
31:16They tried John Jones.
31:17I think Marco Wilson got a couple snaps there and they couldn't cover him.
31:21It's a longstanding trend this year.
31:23We've talked about it.
31:24They can't, they struggled these bigger physical receivers.
31:27The bears never went back to it.
31:29So I don't know why they went away from that, but the coverage plan as a whole, I liked,
31:35I thought there were maybe more plays for the bears to make that they just didn't make.
31:39Like you said, the increased man coverage, things like that.
31:41I thought that was a good sign.
31:43Yeah.
31:44Yeah.
31:45There were definitely a couple of plays left on the field.
31:48You know, like Christian Gonzalez had a good game, but there was one, I think, I think
31:52it was, I forget.
31:53It was more or doomsday.
31:54I think it was DJ more.
31:55He kind of got him on, on a deep ball, but you know, Kayla Williams just doesn't pull
31:59the trigger.
32:00So they were few and far between, but there were a couple of plays there to be had.
32:05And I do think, you know, Gerard said it after the game, they had nine sacks, but I think
32:10the coverage played a big part in a lot of those sacks coverage sacks that there was
32:15some good coverage for most of the game with Gonzalez, you know, Marcus Jones, even though
32:20he was giving up some size on, on some of those plays, had some good reps.
32:24And then the John Jones at free safety, I really liked that role for him, you know,
32:28kind of second phase of his career, if you want to call it, if he wants to keep playing
32:32that.
32:33But I think that was a good wrinkle to kind of throw in there as well.
32:38But nine sacks, tons of guys getting involved on the defensive line.
32:43Doesn't stand out on that level, uh, to you in that sack party there.
32:48Yeah.
32:49I mean, how could they not?
32:51I think Keon white finally breaking through and he's been better than the numbers suggest
32:56that production just has been there, has been getting home.
32:59So he finally got home, Anthony Jennings, if he can play more of a three down roll,
33:03that's significant.
33:04And he had a couple sacks.
33:05He had seven pressures yesterday and two sacks.
33:08Like that would be great if he can be that kind of guy.
33:11In addition to stopping to run the way he has Brennan school or Del Pettis each getting
33:15their first career sack is cool.
33:16But again, this is when I go back to where it's like, it was, it was, it probably felt
33:22good for them to get that.
33:24And it's never easy in the NFL, but you're not going to be able to do that every week.
33:30That bears line was atrocious.
33:31And it's like, all right, the numbers were great, but let's see that you could put out
33:38the same effort and maybe only end up with like three sacks.
33:42But if you can get turned to heat up, get to the quarterback, all that, we'll see what
33:46happens this week.
33:47Like Yannick and Gawkway, how he factors into that.
33:50And I don't think it's entirely coincidence that they signed Yannick and Gawkway and suddenly
33:54everybody steps up as a pass rusher because new player, you don't want to come off the
33:58field, but let's see who builds on it.
34:02Let's see who uses that momentum.
34:03Let's see who took that opportunity to figure something out.
34:05It continues because there's going to be some guys, I think in three or four weeks, we've
34:09point to this game and say, yeah, it was good in the bears game, but that was it.
34:12Like he never followed it up.
34:14And then there's going to be some guys we point in and say that was kind of a launching
34:19pad for him.
34:20And, you know, he, maybe he was so dominant in that game and, you know, he took a step
34:24back a little bit, but that's what it's more about to me.
34:28Like who's going to build on it and who would be the best guys to build on.
34:30And I think a guy like Anthony Jennings, um, Keon White, Jeremiah farms, if he can be more
34:36that interior rusher that they're severely missing without Christian Palmer, isn't he's
34:40not going to be Christian born farmer.
34:41He's never going to be Christian bar more, but you can give them something like that.
34:44Like those are the guys I think you look at and it's like, okay, can they use this?
34:49I feel like a building block launching pad foundation.
34:53Like I've just been the same words over and over and over for the last 24 hours, but that's
34:59what this game was to me.
35:00That's how you have to look at it.
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44:15I it's it.
44:16The playoff ads is going to add something to the draft.
44:21Like we sort of saw it with Michael Penix last year.
44:23We had that big game and everybody's like, is he actually the first overall pick?
44:27And then he had the game against Michigan.
44:29Everybody's like, is he even a first round pick?
44:31Now you have four of these games and you know, there's gonna be more teams and more chances
44:35to face good defenses.
44:38Everybody's down on this quarterback class and I get why I understand why.
44:42You have, should there's going to be a first round pick cam or it's going to be a first
44:45round pick when we were the other, it's about where, but I think you're going to have a
44:48guy or guys quarterbacks that go on a run in the playoffs and suddenly become a part
44:56of this conversation.
44:57So it'll be interesting to see what happens with Miami.
44:59Yeah.
45:00I think we're out of that Carson Beck territory on that one.
45:03I still think Colorado might find their way into the playoffs somehow, but it's possible.
45:09Yeah.
45:10And, you know, Shador, I think Shador will, could be the first quarterback off the board
45:15at this moment anyway.
45:16And, you know, if he has a big playoff game or two, that would certainly help his cause.
45:20So yeah, I mean the Patriots kind of slid down the draft board with the wind, you know,
45:25you take it to get the win at this point, but those, those quarterbacks will be big.
45:29Cause you know, even if they're getting, even if it's not for a trade down, if they're going
45:33ahead of you, then, you know, that's pushing someone else down the board.
45:37So as many quarterbacks that are, you're going higher up in the draft will be good
45:41for the Patriots now that they have their guy in Drake may.
45:45So a little shakeup in the college college aspect there.
45:47So we'll see what happens, but we'll wrap it up there again.
45:52Rams at Patriots Thursday, we'll be back.
45:54Most likely to preview that.
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