Aiteraz Hai | Aniqa Nisar | Sher Afzal Marwat | Ishratul Ibad | ARY News | 18th August 2024
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00:00Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf has been accused of being an enemy of the country for a long time,
00:27and he has been accused of directly toeing the Indian agenda.
00:32When some messages were received from Raoul Hassan's mobile,
00:36which seemed to be a zoom-in conversation,
00:39especially some messages came, which were also called zoom-in,
00:46and it was also said that they are walking on the Indian agenda, toeing this line.
00:50In particular, the Information Minister, Atta Tarar, tweeted,
00:54in which he says that the country's enemy has exceeded the enemy of Pakistan by joining its foreign leaders.
00:59Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf has been accused of being an enemy of the country
01:03by trying to return the sedition through the Indian media and the western border.
01:09Foreign funding has been accused of affecting the national interests and security of Pakistan by following the Indian agenda.
01:18We will never let this happen.
01:21After this, the situation has reached the point that on the one hand, it was a matter of foreign funding,
01:25and then it was a matter of bringing back the GDP,
01:28and now these messages will be an important question
01:32whether Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf will be able to put a stamp on being an enemy of the country or not.
01:38Along with this, Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf has broken within itself,
01:42and now the whole story has come out in front of the whole world.
01:47There was a press briefing of Mr. Shakeel Khan.
01:49In the press briefing, he said that corruption was taking place.
01:51A three-pillar committee was formed on the matter of corruption.
01:54The three-pillar committee gave a report against Mr. Shakeel Khan.
01:57The report was there, and as a result of it, or in its rebuttal, Mr. Shakeel Khan also put allegations.
02:03On CMKPK Ali Ameen Gandapur, of corruption.
02:07Now these allegations of corruption were going on,
02:10that the matter had reached the point that when the denotification was done,
02:14when Mr. Shakeel Khan, who was the focal person to CM,
02:18to MNAs of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf to KPK,
02:21then after that, Atif Khan and Junaid Akbar came in front of him in his defence.
02:27Now Mr. Khan has also supported them.
02:29The RSSF has given this news that it is their support.
02:33Listen to this.
02:35Before the Governor's signature on the summary, he himself resigned.
02:40And the matter should end here.
02:42Yesterday, I had a meeting with Imran Khan.
02:44Mr. Khan expressed his displeasure on this matter.
02:46He told me to clarify that it is completely wrong to object to the decision of this committee.
02:50As far as Atif Khan is concerned, as far as Asad Kaisar is concerned,
02:54Mr. Khan himself said that inform these two that they should come and meet me.
02:58Mr. Khan has a complaint that the negative campaign that is going on regarding this decision,
03:04these people are doing it.
03:06Junaid Akbar, who was denotified as the focal person to CM,
03:10Shahid Ahmed was replaced by him.
03:13Before this, there were differences with the leadership of Sher Afzal Marwat.
03:17And Sher Afzal Marwat is present with us.
03:19He has also met Mr. Khan.
03:21And before this, in my program, Sher Afzal Marwat had also said that
03:24if his dealings with Mr. Khan do not go well in the party,
03:28then he will leave Pakistan.
03:31He will leave Pakistan for politics.
03:33And there will be no point in staying here.
03:36Sher Afzal Marwat, thank you very much for joining me in the program.
03:39Now tell me, are the matters still on the same path that you are still bent on leaving Pakistan?
03:43Or has there been a patch-up?
03:45Did you meet Mr. Khan? What did you talk about?
03:47Did the situation improve?
03:50Yes, I did thank Mr. Khan.
03:52And I discussed all the matters with Mr. Khan.
03:58I complained to him.
04:00And I said to Mr. Khan in polite language,
04:03I said that if these things are on your side,
04:06then I bow down to them.
04:09And I vacate this seat as well.
04:14I just want to hear this from you.
04:16Although I did not tell him that I intend to vacate this seat.
04:21But when I said this in your program,
04:24I was basically mentally ready.
04:27Whether it is here or there.
04:31But my wish was that I want to stay with Mr. Khan.
04:36And at this time, I can be of use to Mr. Khan and the party.
04:42Because I know that the protests and the mass protests,
04:47after 9th May, the PTI got in my name.
04:51Because by the grace of God, the public accepted it.
04:56And the way in which these people are gathered,
05:00the way they are taken out,
05:02I understood this in a way.
05:04We will come to this later.
05:05What you have to do on 22nd,
05:06and how you have to do it,
05:07and whether you have to do it without NOC,
05:09we will come to that later.
05:10One allegation that I heard,
05:12that within Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaaf,
05:14this was circulating,
05:15that you have used some words against Imran Khan and Bushra Bibi Sahiba,
05:21which Mr. Khan did not like.
05:23So on this matter, generally,
05:25Bani Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaaf are very strict.
05:27Did you talk about this?
05:28Did you get any clarity on this?
05:30I was also told that there is a gentleman in front of Mr. Khan.
05:36I do not take his name.
05:38And then two other ladies confirmed this,
05:41that I said these words against Imran Khan and Bushra Bibi Sahiba in London.
05:48When I went to jail that day,
05:51before Mr. Khan,
05:52Mr. Khan was not present at that time,
05:54he was with the court,
05:55so I went to Bushra Bibi Sahiba.
05:58I sat in front of her.
06:00And first of all I put this issue in front of her,
06:04that have you been told
06:06that I have used some words against you?
06:10So Bushra Bibi Sahiba refused,
06:14that I do not know anything about this.
06:17It is possible that she said this deliberately,
06:22but whatever it was,
06:23when Mr. Khan came,
06:24I also put this issue in front of Mr. Khan.
06:27So I said,
06:28if politics comes to this level,
06:30I said,
06:31does your mind believe that I can do this?
06:34It is possible that I have criticized your father.
06:37But to call you a Mughal or to abuse you and your wife,
06:42and if politics comes to this level,
06:45that the opponents are dragged like this.
06:48Anyway, my style of speech was a little loud and emotional.
06:56And Mr. Khan listened to me very patiently.
06:59And it was my right that Mr. Khan would listen to me.
07:02So you complained in a loud voice.
07:05Yes.
07:06You were not calm and composed.
07:10You were emotional.
07:11It was not my fault.
07:13I did something wrong.
07:15And whatever I did,
07:17instead of getting the reward for it,
07:19the way it was happening,
07:22it was my right.
07:24And the second thing is that,
07:26I have no stakes in politics.
07:30Neither do I have a business.
07:33Nor do I have any compulsion.
07:36That's why I was a man of honor and dignity.
07:40But if someone has said this about you to Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf,
07:44do you know his name?
07:45Do you know the name of the person who confirmed it?
07:49How will he forgive you?
07:50Will your mind be clear about him?
07:54Or the same thing that is happening in Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf,
07:57Mr. Shakeel is supporting Atif Khan,
08:00Junaid Akbar is supporting him,
08:02and the CM is on the other side.
08:04Will the same situation continue with you?
08:06The Chief Minister, Ali Amin Khan,
08:10is a senior in PTI.
08:13And just like Atif Khan, he is also a senior.
08:17And they have a strong bond.
08:20They are friends.
08:22Shakeel Khan has also become a minister for the third time.
08:24Shakeel Khan is also from PTI.
08:26Why is there so much rivalry?
08:28Rivalry means that there are groups within the party.
08:31That is, they support each other.
08:34That is, there are allies and allies.
08:36Unfortunately, I did not have such a group with anyone.
08:40I was for everyone.
08:42Everyone is my friend.
08:43I have fought for everyone.
08:44I have campaigned for everyone.
08:46But maybe the reason for my weakness was that
08:49I had not become a part of any group.
08:53Now when this happened,
08:56four or five people raised their voices.
08:58And in which all these people came together.
09:01For example, Mr. Mirza Gohar,
09:03with the courage with which he gave his opinion in my reference,
09:06Mr. Ali Muhammad Khan,
09:08I did not expect that,
09:10because now I have understood politics a little, a lot.
09:13That is, those who are in the party,
09:15who are in some good seats,
09:17so people are preferring silence instead of taking advantage of their anger.
09:24There are some people with whom I had a thought in my mind
09:27that maybe they should speak up.
09:29They did not speak up.
09:30Okay.
09:31Who did you expect?
09:32Anyway, whoever they are.
09:33Okay, you are not badmouthing anyone.
09:35No, no.
09:36But your expectations are attached to someone, right?
09:37Who did you expect from?
09:38Who did not raise their voice?
09:39I mean, I expected from those for whom I did that,
09:42that their own brothers could not do for them.
09:44For whom?
09:45No, no.
09:46I mean, there are many.
09:47A long time has passed.
09:48I have been close to many.
09:50But Nisar Jat,
09:52I will definitely take their name.
09:54Okay.
09:55Who spoke the truth in the voice of their conscience.
09:58Nisar Jat is our Minister from Faisalabad.
10:00Changez Khan Kakade.
10:02Apart from Mr. Ali Muhammad Khan and Mr. Mirza Gohar,
10:05Shandana Gulzar.
10:07So, you think that they heard the voice of their conscience.
10:10Duniad Akbar Khan.
10:12Okay.
10:14And apart from this,
10:16Umair Niazi,
10:18Jamal Hassan Khan,
10:20our Nawshera's MNA.
10:22These were the people who,
10:26a few of them called me.
10:28A few of them called me.
10:307-8 people.
10:32And they called me and assured me of their trust and their friendship.
10:37Okay.
10:38But anyway, whether someone does good or not with me,
10:41those who have done it,
10:43I will never forget it.
10:45Okay. Let's move ahead.
10:46What is going on in KPK right now,
10:48is a matter of corruption.
10:49It is not a small matter.
10:50It is a matter on which Mr. Shakeel raised his voice,
10:53that corruption is taking place and a committee will be formed.
10:55After that, he was put aside,
10:57with the allegation that they are doing corruption.
10:59A community that says that we have risen against corruption,
11:02corruption is taking place in that.
11:03At least one group is doing corruption.
11:05At least one will be there.
11:07Which group is doing corruption?
11:09I think that no one is doing corruption.
11:13This is my personal opinion.
11:15Because I am an MNA from KP.
11:18And I know almost all the ministers of KP.
11:23I talk to Ali Amin Khan almost every other day.
11:27Atif Khan and Ali Amin Khan,
11:31Atif Khan is a senior person in the party.
11:33And Ali Amin Khan,
11:36even before the election,
11:39there was a little bit of corruption.
11:41Okay.
11:42And I think even after the election,
11:45because what happened was that
11:47these people were not able to fight the election seriously,
11:50except for the assembly.
11:52So, these things,
11:55there was already a grudge.
11:57Okay.
11:58It is not like that suddenly...
12:01So, sending 20 crore rupees to the CM,
12:05this allegation, is not a small allegation.
12:07No, this is an old video.
12:09This 20 crore video,
12:11this was when Mahmood Khan was the minister in the KP government.
12:14No, but the allegations that they are putting of corruption,
12:17they are talking about the current officials.
12:19They are not putting allegations of the previous corruption.
12:21They are putting allegations of the current corruption.
12:23Look, when the allegation was put on Shakeel Khan,
12:27that the committee has given this recommendation,
12:30so, Shakeel Khan also put an answerable allegation.
12:34These allegations are of this nature.
12:37Basically, these are political differences,
12:40and by giving the colour of corruption,
12:43I think the party is being harmed.
12:48When I met Mr. Khan yesterday,
12:51this matter was discussed.
12:53Okay, what did he say?
12:55Mr. Sughur was sitting there,
12:57and he said,
12:59he sent a message to Mr. Atif Khan,
13:01that Mr. Atif Khan has met me.
13:03For Junaid Khan as well.
13:05But at the same time,
13:07he also said to Mr. Sughur,
13:09that if someone will bring down the government of Ali Amin Khan,
13:11then I can dissolve the assembly and end the government,
13:15but I cannot take away the authority of Ali Amin under his feet.
13:23Right.
13:24This is what he said in very clear words.
13:26One more thing that was discussed,
13:28on the 22nd, the assembly that has to be held,
13:30was discussed,
13:31and you have been given the responsibility for it.
13:33Earlier, we were hearing that Mr. Khan has said
13:35that without the NOC,
13:36we will not hold any assembly.
13:38Now, you are saying that we do not even need the NOC.
13:40Has Imran Khan changed his mind?
13:44That we should go without the NOC?
13:46No.
13:47These NOC things,
13:48when I got separated,
13:50after that,
13:51the NOC was followed.
13:53And Mr. Khan says,
13:55that there should not be any conflict.
13:57So, I was the only one who used to protest like this.
14:00Only me.
14:01And from 9th May,
14:02I did this on the platform of the party,
14:04in the whole country.
14:05Mr. Khan never told me to protest with the NOC.
14:08Mr. Khan never said that...
14:10Were the party leaders lying,
14:12that Mr. Khan said that we need the NOC?
14:14That we will not do it without the NOC?
14:15Let me request you,
14:16Mr. Khan is in jail,
14:18and he has limited access to information.
14:21And he meets the people of Ginti,
14:23they are the same faces.
14:24So, whatever is suggested,
14:26Mr. Khan,
14:27by seeing that,
14:28he decides to exercise an option.
14:30When I used to meet,
14:32we never talked about the NOC.
14:34Mr. Khan was aware,
14:35that the pages get torn.
14:37But later,
14:39after 8th February,
14:40I did a few rallies here in Islamabad.
14:43But when I got separated,
14:45after that,
14:46the wish of the party was,
14:49so that people do not come in fear,
14:50and come in protest,
14:51behind the NOC.
14:53But when I met Mr. Khan yesterday,
14:56and I still believe in this,
14:59that our protest,
15:00our movement,
15:01our struggle,
15:02for the freedom of Khan,
15:03for the recovery of the mandate,
15:05no NOC is required.
15:08But Mr. Marfat,
15:09one more thing you have said,
15:10that is very worrisome.
15:12You have said,
15:13tomorrow,
15:14if something like 9th February happens again,
15:15then it will be my responsibility,
15:17not on Mr. Khan,
15:18not on PTI,
15:19not on the rest.
15:20Do you have any intention,
15:22that something like that happens again?
15:24Because that was a dark day
15:25in the history of Pakistan.
15:26There should not be
15:27an attack on institutions like this.
15:29Are you looking for something like this?
15:31Or do you intend to do something like this?
15:32Or should this be taken as a threat?
15:36I am a person connected to the law.
15:38Every word that I utter,
15:41I know,
15:42what its legal consequences can be.
15:46I have said,
15:48that the struggle,
15:50and the political protest,
15:56we have to do it,
15:58and we will do it.
16:00Now the institutions in Pakistan,
16:02especially in Punjab,
16:04are not protesting,
16:06which is your fundamental right
16:08under Article 16.
16:10Now tomorrow,
16:11I will hold a meeting
16:12with 1000, 5000 or 100000 people
16:14in Lahore.
16:15They will say,
16:16we will not allow it.
16:17This is their way,
16:18and the whole country knows it.
16:20So what will happen?
16:22They will tear gaze us.
16:23I just want to ask,
16:24that at this time,
16:26do you want something like 9th May,
16:28or are you threatening?
16:29I want this,
16:31and in clear words,
16:35this life is worse than death,
16:37that we are living in this country.
16:40If someone has a feeling,
16:42that there is no freedom,
16:44no fundamental rights,
16:46there is no freedom of government,
16:48and we have to get rid of it.
16:50And how do we get rid of it?
16:52By dealing with issues,
16:54like they have been doing.
16:57I think,
16:59that the Bangladesh model,
17:01there were 400,000 people,
17:04this was the situation.
17:06Election Commission was hijacked,
17:08mandate was stolen,
17:10all opposition was in jails,
17:12fundamental rights were taken away,
17:14there were 400,000 people,
17:1617 crore people.
17:18So you want Bangladesh model in Pakistan?
17:20In Bangladesh,
17:22when the government killed 300 people,
17:24Haseena Wajid's government,
17:26I want that,
17:28if any Pakistani does not want this,
17:30then maybe,
17:32he will not be loyal to this country.
17:34Do you want to instigate,
17:36that any government should react,
17:38where there are martyrs,
17:40and then Bangladesh model can come?
17:42Let me finish.
17:44Our struggle,
17:46our demonstration,
17:48our protest,
17:50it will be peaceful,
17:52like I did more than 80 demonstrations,
17:54one pot did not break.
17:56But if we are not allowed to do this,
17:58then what are the options?
18:00The options are that,
18:02they can protest against 5000, 10,000 people,
18:04they cannot protest against 100,000 people.
18:06Interesting point.
18:08Now let's see Bangladesh model.
18:10Listen,
18:12I am saying that,
18:14if they do this,
18:16then I will not show my back,
18:18nor will I bow my head
18:20in front of Ansar Gas,
18:22T.R. Gas and Dande.
18:24We will do the same,
18:26as per law and order,
18:28we will protest,
18:30we will block the roads.
18:32Now, like Maryam Bibi said,
18:34I will prove to be very merciless,
18:36if anyone does this in Punjab.
18:38You are saying that,
18:40we should not expect anything good from them.
18:42I am saying that,
18:44show mercy.
18:46You want that?
18:48No, what do I want?
18:50If they are so merciless,
18:52and want to show that they have the power,
18:54then we have to see that,
18:56their mercilessness,
18:58the people who are supported by Jihad,
19:00or the people of Pakistan,
19:02and the constitution of Pakistan,
19:04flourish.
19:06You have given a reference,
19:08and you have still given it.
19:10In Bangladesh model,
19:12one more thing has been proved,
19:14that if any ruler,
19:16or any party leader,
19:18or any party,
19:20does anything against the will of any other country,
19:22then they will be put aside.
19:24This happened with Haseena Wajid.
19:26She was with India,
19:28but people put her aside.
19:30Now, Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf,
19:32is also facing the same accusation,
19:34which was given by Musadeq-e-Azhar.
19:36Mr. Tarar is quoting it.
19:38He is telling it.
19:40With which country,
19:42are we facing the same accusation?
19:44With India.
19:46Kajrala and Jindal,
19:48are their relatives.
19:50They have business relations.
19:52Modi went to his house.
19:54In his life,
19:56did Imran Khan,
19:58say anything about India?
20:00Thank you very much,
20:02for joining the program.
20:04We will continue the show.
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24:16If we take out a list, then the decisions can be taken in a political way.
24:21But if we delay and there will be inactivity in that too, then time gives, but very little time gives.
24:31Then time is making the decisions and people are following it.
24:36Then nothing is known what will happen.
24:38Let me add to this with a conspiracy theory.
24:41I am not saying this.
24:43When your old Jamaat used to be in its old form,
24:46at that time it was said that you are very close to the establishment.
24:52Now people can say this or it can be interpreted that when the old Jamaat used to be in its old form,
24:58they said this and now the government is saying that it is in a delicate situation.
25:03From there PTI is saying that something can happen in December.
25:06And now you are making a Jamaat.
25:08So can it be said that you have been given a go-ahead from somewhere to make a Jamaat and things can change?
25:14No, it is not like that.
25:16See, when we talk about the old Jamaat,
25:19its major theories or whatever perception was built up,
25:28it was more on conspiracy theories.
25:31That is why today that Jamaat is facing this problem.
25:37As far as PTI is concerned, it is obvious that it is an opposition political party.
25:42And it will mount pressure and say the same.
25:46I am talking on the basis of the logical factors which are visible.
25:52And if you debate this,
25:56I think that every person who is a political aspirant,
26:01and understands the matters of governance and statecraft,
26:06will conclude that there is no need to tell anything to anyone.
26:10So we can safely say that you have not got a go-ahead from the establishment to make a Jamaat or to form one?
26:17No, I don't need it.
26:20And what is the need of an establishment go-ahead?
26:25Interesting.
26:26On one hand, you are announcing to form a new Jamaat.
26:30On the other hand, there are so many Jamaats that have been formed.
26:32Pakistan Party was formed before the elections.
26:34Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf, Parliamentarians, PTIP, they were formed separately.
26:38And recently, Mifta Ismail, Shahid Khan Abbas, their people formed the Pakistan Party.
26:44So what new will your Jamaat bring, Mr. Irshad Ullabad,
26:47which these Jamaats are not able to give or will not be able to give in the future?
26:53The context of the pre-elections of the other Jamaats is completely different.
27:00There are different reasons for their failures.
27:03And the context of the post-election Jamaats or the political activities is completely different.
27:09Mr. Shahid Khan, Mr. Ismail, they are experienced people.
27:13When they met me, we discussed the situation of the country and what needs to be done.
27:21Now they have found a way to launch a political party and they want to do their thing.
27:27I am in the process now. I am testing the water first.
27:31And I am gathering people. I have changed the model a little.
27:35I have done reverse engineering.
27:37That first I look at the ground a little and start delivering something on it.
27:45Interesting.
27:46Interesting.
27:47You met Mr. Wipta and Mr. Shahid Khan in April 2024.
27:53In that meeting, he must have also said that you come and join our Jamaat.
27:58What was the reason for not joining Awaam Pakistan, Mr. Irshad Ullabad?
28:01And the new Jamaat…
28:03Yes.
28:04Yes. Sorry.
28:05At that time, the party was in the process of thinking, but the firm was probably not.
28:14But when we directed this to each other, the result was that we get a lot of ideas.
28:22And in any way, whether they are making their own Jamaat or I am making it or not, we can work together.
28:30So even today, didn't it come to your mind that let's join Awaam Pakistan instead of making a new Jamaat?
28:37Instead of dividing it, let's unite it.
28:41No. If you think about it politically, then it is obvious that it is a process.
28:49Then the people who have joined me also have their advice.
28:52All things have to be kept in mind.
28:55And they are also doing their job.
28:59And I pray that they do a very good job.
29:02Because there is space.
29:04There is a lot of disappointment from all political parties.
29:07There is a problem of deliverance.
29:09There is a problem of governance.
29:11There are problems of moral standing.
29:14There are a lot of problems.
29:15Interesting.
29:16So there is a space.
29:17Right. There is space.
29:19But who is standing with you to fill that space, Mr. Ishrat?
29:23There are a lot of people and they are very good people.
29:27I will be able to tell you when the time comes.
29:29Tell us the names of some good people, Mr. Ishrat.
29:32So that we know who are among the good people.
29:35Who are the good people?
29:36They are good people.
29:38They understand the situation.
29:40They understand the different subjects.
29:41The crisis that is happening right now.
29:42Are the good people present in Pakistan or outside Pakistan?
29:46They are in Pakistan or outside Pakistan.
29:49Do they have a political relationship or not?
29:51Look, whether they have a political relationship or a state relationship,
29:57they all have a political relationship.
29:59But the people who are with me are mostly political and professional.
30:03They are experts in different fields.
30:07And do they only have a relationship with Sindh or overall with Pakistan?
30:11No. Overall with Pakistan.
30:14So your Jamaat will not be specialised in Karachi or Sindh?
30:17No, no, no.
30:19Look, the problem is the country.
30:21The whole country.
30:22I mean, today there was news about Faisalabad
30:24that there is pressure on industries and they are closing down.
30:28I don't know if this is right or wrong.
30:30Right.
30:31But this is the news.
30:33This is the news in the whole country.
30:35That businesses are being affected.
30:38There is an electricity crisis.
30:40There is inflation.
30:42This is an IPP issue.
30:43Which the Jamaat has not discussed yet.
30:45Yes.
30:46So are you bringing a solution to this issue?
30:49Any solution?
30:50Because S. N. Iqbal has said that whoever has a solution,
30:53they should come to us and discuss.
30:55Let's solve this issue.
30:58Look, this is the job of the government to find a solution.
31:01And ask everyone for a solution.
31:03And whatever solution I am telling you,
31:04money goes to the water.
31:06I have a solution.
31:08And I am very fast.
31:10There is no need to make a committee.
31:12This is an open and shut case.
31:14How so?
31:15And this is a fraud.
31:17And if it is in my hands to resolve,
31:23then it can be resolved very swiftly and quickly.
31:29And if it is resolved in detail,
31:32then many more things will open up behind this fraud.
31:35What things will open up?
31:36Money laundering.
31:37Whose money laundering?
31:38Who did the money laundering?
31:40Who did the fraud?
31:42Look, you are opening all the files now.
31:48This is an open and shut case.
31:50Let's open and shut it.
31:53We have just started talking.
31:55So let's open it and shut it.
31:57No, look, all the owners,
31:59now you see that it is a foreign investment.
32:03So you go and check.
32:0693% is a local investment.
32:087% is a foreign investment.
32:10And the 7% investment,
32:13its category is a little different.
32:16It is not of that type.
32:17It is a matter of sovereign guarantee.
32:19But the basic issue is that there is no performance audit.
32:24And in any contract,
32:26both the parties are under obligation
32:29under certain conditions.
32:31So where is this,
32:34in which law is it that the government
32:38keeps taking out money from the National Exchequer
32:41and giving it to the IPPs.
32:43And what they have to do, they are not doing.
32:45So the capacity you are giving,
32:49the capacity charges you are giving,
32:51why are you giving it to the plants that are shut?
32:54Where is that performance audit?
32:56So there are a lot of things.
32:58And it can be resolved very quickly.
33:00According to me, this committee,
33:02and those who are delaying it,
33:04they are not doing it.
33:06Yes, yes, resolve it and it can be done.
33:09Okay, Mr. Aishwar, when are you coming back to Pakistan?
33:13Inshallah, I am in the process.
33:15We are doing everything very quickly.
33:17And I want to do it.
33:19Okay, tell me, give me a month.
33:21Are you coming this year or next year?
33:23This year, this year.
33:25So what month will you be back this year?
33:30There are only a few months left,
33:32so I will be back in a few months.
33:34Right.
33:35Okay, you understand, Mr. Aishwar,
33:37that you have come back to Pakistan.
33:39You are talking about negotiations.
33:41You also said to Mr. Marwat
33:43that there is a need to reduce the political temperature.
33:45Will you be able to make them sit
33:48and you will be able to become the intermediary
33:51that is needed for negotiations?
33:54Look, if we talk about today,
33:57I think you are talking about political stability.
34:01And a lot of problems are a by-product
34:04of political instability.
34:06So when you want to achieve political stability,
34:11so in that, according to me,
34:14in today's situation,
34:16it is only being handled administratively,
34:20administrative and policing is being handled.
34:23There is no political component in it.
34:26There is a need for smart management in it,
34:28in which there is more political component
34:31and then according to the need,
34:34you can also do administrative and policing component,
34:38but primarily there is a need for political component in it,
34:42which is the need to resolve it
34:45with the initiative of grand national dialogues
34:48and political people.
34:50Right, last question is sure.
34:52Now you said,
34:53there are only a few months left for you to return.
34:55So I can safely presume that
34:57at least 2-3 months will be there.
34:59September, October, November are gone.
35:01Approximately, if I do my calculation,
35:04then around December, November-December will come.
35:07Will there be a government by then?
35:09Inshallah, this year,
35:12as I told you, these are the things,
35:16and we talked about sustainability and vulnerability,
35:20so this can take some time,
35:23if the government becomes proactive
35:26and starts working on war footing,
35:29it will take some more time.
35:31But in today's situation,
35:33this is a long time.
35:36Alright.
35:37Thank you very much for joining me in the program.
35:39It was a pleasure having you.
35:40We will talk after the break.
35:41Your and my internet access is slow at this time.
35:45Why is it slow?
35:46If we try to ask the government,
35:48there is no answer.
35:49We will try to find the answer after the break.
35:57Welcome back after the break.
35:58Viewers, our neighbor India,
36:00started its IT revolution in 1950,
36:02then made IITs,
36:03and today,
36:04India is one of the top countries in the world
36:07to provide IT services to the world.
36:10Pakistan is trying to tap the IT sector,
36:14and it has a lot of potential.
36:16It has a lot of potential because
36:18people sitting at home
36:20can earn their daily bread
36:22through the internet.
36:23Keep this in mind,
36:24this government did this,
36:27and those people who were earning,
36:29already appreciated them.
36:32In July, there was a national IT seminar.
36:36It was appreciated by those people
36:39who are bringing IT to Pakistan.
36:43This is a country which is already
36:45facing a lot of problems in terms of IT.
36:47If someone brings IT to Pakistan,
36:49no one feels bad,
36:50they feel good.
36:51But, the situation is that
36:53for some time now,
36:54where any kind of propaganda
36:57or lie spreading campaign
36:59should be stopped,
37:00should be curbed,
37:01and action should be taken.
37:03How that should be done,
37:06is a different matter.
37:08Shaza Fatima Sahiba was asked
37:10whether there is a firewall or not.
37:12The firewall was asked on 15th August.
37:15What did she say?
37:17Let's listen to that first,
37:18and then we will talk.
37:19Firewall is a cyber security measure
37:22that every government in the world takes.
37:24Earlier, there was a web management system,
37:26which was run by the government.
37:27Now, it is upgraded.
37:29It is the right of the government.
37:30Look at the cyber security attacks on this country.
37:32The way cyber security threats are evolving,
37:35states need to have better capability
37:37to ensure that they can respond
37:39to those cyber security threats.
37:41China and Russia have also put up
37:43a lot of firewalls.
37:44In China, the social media apps
37:46that we use are not used.
37:48But, there are many other ways
37:50to generate their economy.
37:51Do we have any other alternative
37:53or not?
37:54This is a very important question.
37:55But, today when Shaza Fatima Sahiba was asked
37:57whether there is a firewall or not,
37:58she neither used the word,
38:00nor did she talk about it,
38:02nor did she give any explanation.
38:03In fact, she ignored the questions
38:05and moved on to other questions.
38:07Let's listen to what she said today.
38:09There was a rumor that the government
38:11may have throttled the internet
38:13for some reason.
38:15There was no absolute truth in that.
38:17A few services of some apps,
38:19because they were not downloading there,
38:21the population of Pakistan
38:23started operating on VPNs.
38:25There are CDNs in every country.
38:27When you turn on the VPN,
38:29the CDN, the local cache
38:31from which the internet
38:33and all your services are coming,
38:35you bypass it and go to the live internet
38:37and go to the live server.
38:39When a lot of people
38:41stop using caches
38:43and go to the live internet,
38:45there is a pressure on the entire live internet
38:47and generally the internet
38:49slows down.
38:51It was a natural traffic pressure
38:53that slowed down the internet
38:55in a couple of days.
38:57The sad thing is that
38:59there are around 5 lakh freelancers
39:01who come to Pakistan from abroad.
39:03According to PTA's annual report
39:05for 2022-2023,
39:07there are 18 crore,
39:09almost 19 crore
39:11internet mobile users,
39:13while the number of other
39:15broadband subscribers is
39:17around 12.5 crore.
39:19Freelancers in Pakistan
39:21earned around $350 million
39:23from March to July
39:25through Pakistan's
39:27non-governmental
39:29exchange fund.
39:31According to the
39:33Economic Survey for
39:352023-2024,
39:37the IT revenue
39:39was $3.2 billion
39:41during the financial year
39:43ending in June.
39:45At one place we are begging
39:47IMF for 2-3 billion
39:49and if it doesn't happen,
39:51then what is happening?
39:53Let's take some clarity.
39:55Ali Ehsan is with us.
39:57He is the senior vice chairman
39:59of APASHA,
40:01an IT software association.
40:03Thank you very much for joining us.
40:05It's a pleasure having you in the program.
40:07Let's first clarify
40:09whether the internet slows down
40:11due to VPN.
40:13A lot of people are using VPN
40:15on social media sites,
40:17so can it slow down
40:19the rest of the internet or not?
40:21Thank you for inviting me to the show.
40:23We will also discuss
40:25the explanation given by him
40:27regarding CDN.
40:29The definition given
40:31regarding VPN is
40:33to a certain extent correct.
40:35Yes, there can be a 10-15%
40:37difference in your speed
40:39if you are using
40:4130% population VPN of your country.
40:43Now,
40:45if you are using
40:4730% population VPN,
40:49I would be surprised
40:51if the data is correct.
40:53I think
40:55there are flaws
40:57in the installation
40:59and software choice.
41:01Due to this,
41:03we are facing
41:05a lot of losses
41:07in the IT industry.
41:09It is also affecting
41:11the country's economy.
41:13We are not satisfied
41:15with this.
41:17To solve this problem,
41:19we need to discuss
41:21with each other.
41:23Our IT companies
41:25can consult
41:27and improve
41:29the situation.
41:31We cannot accept
41:33that there is a problem.
41:35Mr. Ali, it is clear that
41:37if there is a spread,
41:39it should be curbed
41:41If there is a fake news
41:43or propaganda, it should also be curbed.
41:45But overall,
41:47the government
41:49did not put any restrictions
41:51on the internet.
41:53Do you believe that
41:55there is no restriction?
41:57I think
41:59it is a matter of national security.
42:01It is a matter of national security.
42:03It is a matter of national security.
42:05It is a matter of national security.
42:07You are right.
42:09If there is a spread
42:11of fake news
42:13on the issue of
42:15digital terrorism,
42:17it can be said
42:19that it should be stopped.
42:21But whenever
42:23you come to a solution,
42:25you see that
42:27it is affecting
42:29the country's economy.
42:31Common websites and applications
42:33are not being used.
42:35WhatsApp is down.
42:37Where will
42:39such problems be solved?
42:41Who is responsible
42:43for the damage to the economy?
42:45Absolutely.
42:47A lot of companies
42:49have declared
42:51our freelancers
42:53as unavailable
42:55so that their ratings
42:57are not affected.
42:59How long
43:01can we sustain
43:03this total loss?
43:05They are earning in dollars.
43:07This is a big service to Pakistan.
43:09Absolutely.
43:11The information that has come out
43:13so far is that the freelancers
43:15have been affected.
43:17There are some issues in the platform.
43:19They have made profiles unavailable in Fiverr.
43:21The information that we have now
43:23is of the top IT companies
43:25of Pakistan.
43:27We know that the top healthcare companies
43:29that are providing services in the US
43:31have 200 lines
43:33which were down for a week.
43:35This company is the only one
43:37that earns $50 million a year in Pakistan.
43:39We know that the companies
43:41that are providing BPO services
43:43have a degradation of
43:4530-40%.
43:47They can request
43:49so few services.
43:51These numbers