Off The Record | Kashif Abbasi | Sahibzada Hamid Raza | Rana Sanaullah | ARY News | 16th Jan 2025
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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, dear viewers, you are watching the program with Kashif Abbasi.
00:22Today's episode is going to be very interesting and surprising.
00:26There are two stories of meetings that have dominated today's political atmosphere.
00:38One of the meetings took place in Islamabad between the government and the committees of justice.
00:45And the other meeting took place in Peshawar, where the army chief, barrister Gauhar and Ali Ameen Gandapur met separately.
00:57One meeting took place in which all the political prisoners were present.
01:01But there was a meeting in which Imran Khan confirmed that such a meeting had taken place in Peshawar.
01:09And when Barrister Gauhar was asked, he repeatedly said that Imran Khan is verifying this meeting.
01:16Whatever meetings I had, I did it with the consent of Imran Khan.
01:20We will talk about both of them.
01:23But the twist of the situation came when after today's government meeting,
01:32after the meeting of the negotiating committees, there was a very smoky press conference in Islamabad.
01:37Imran Khan and Irfan Siddiqui held a press conference in which it was said that it would not be wrong to throw out the notes of the demands of justice.
01:50In no uncertain words, they said that there is no value in this.
01:54Nothing will happen.
01:56You are liars. You do propaganda. You work to show people.
02:00You defamed the state. You defamed the government.
02:04Nothing will happen. But we will see.
02:07In response, Hamid Raza Sahab held a press conference.
02:11And he said that the lists that he mentioned should be shown.
02:17In his press conference, the numbers given by the people who give the method of justice,
02:25that the firing took place here.
02:27Hamid Raza Sahab is present with us.
02:29He is the translator of the Sunni Taj Council.
02:31When I heard about the government's press conference,
02:34I was worried because I have been covering politics for a long time.
02:38I have been looking at politics for a long time.
02:42I have been following politics at home for the last 25, 30, 35, 40 years.
02:48I thought that the government needed time.
02:52It was a very surprising thing for me that the government spent so much on your press conference.
02:58Because it suits them to keep you engaged.
03:02Now, there can be two, three, four things because of which this happened.
03:05Either they were given a signal to fire you.
03:10Either they have become comfortable with the US and told them that nothing will happen.
03:15Or the news of Peshawar's Mubina meeting came.
03:18Because of that, the government panicked.
03:20They said that if you want to talk to them, we will not do it.
03:25Or they are clearly desperate.
03:28First of all, the press conference came.
03:31After that, there is nothing left to talk about.
03:33In the name of Allah, I thank you very much, Mr. Kashyap.
03:35Let's start with the discussions.
03:36Tell us about the meeting in Peshawar.
03:37These discussions will become relevant if you confirm the meeting in Peshawar.
03:43Sir, we have met there.
03:46And the CM's personal secretary has clarified that we have met.
03:51How long did it take?
03:53I think it was about an hour and a half.
03:54The same meeting in which all the political parties were present.
03:59Tell us about the other meetings.
04:01Sir, I don't know about that.
04:02Do you know about it or you don't want to tell us?
04:04No, sir, I think because Mr. Gauhar is involved in it.
04:08So, Mr. Gauhar…
04:09When Mr. Khan said that it happened, then why are you hiding it?
04:11No, I didn't say that it didn't happen.
04:12I said that it happened.
04:13So, you are asking about the meeting in Walaida.
04:15Mr. Gauhar, tell us about the meeting in Walaida.
04:17What happened?
04:18Sir, you are saying that the meeting took place, but ask Mr. Gauhar what happened.
04:21Yes.
04:22I am saying that the meeting took place.
04:24Mr. Khan said it himself today.
04:26I am in no position to deny that.
04:29So, Mr. Gauhar can tell us about the other things that have been discussed there.
04:33I can't tell you.
04:35Sir, let's call it a security threat.
04:40I don't want to pass a comment on that.
04:42Let's call it a security threat.
04:47So, you won't deny it?
04:48So, you won't deny it?
04:49You won't deny the security threat?
04:50Will you refute it?
04:51Or will you confirm it?
04:54The way I have seen two or three of his stickers, I will refute that.
04:59It is not the way he tried to give an impression.
05:02Impression?
05:03Which sticker are you refuting?
05:04Remove the sticker.
05:05I said that when Mr. Gauhar tried to talk politically, he was told to go and talk to politicians or political parties.
05:15I don't think such a thing has happened.
05:17So, Mr. Gauhar didn't talk politically?
05:19Mr. Gauhar will tell you.
05:21Or he talked politically and this kind of answer was not given?
05:24I think so.
05:26That's my guess.
05:28Because when I checked, he said that in the meeting, all these things were discussed.
05:34It was a matter of dignity, it was a situation of law and order, everything else was there.
05:38Was it a political matter?
05:40I think so.
05:42Again, I am being very cautious.
05:44I think so.
05:45Did you talk to Mr. Imran Khan about this?
05:49What is there to talk about Mr. Imran Khan?
05:52The narrative about Mr. Imran Khan is very clear and Mr. Khan is also very clear.
05:56He is repeating the same thing in the jail, which we are doing in front of you.
05:59Talk about Mr. Imran Khan only if he wants to take an executive order or a NRO.
06:04When he doesn't want to take it, he wants to face his cases in the courts, then what is there to talk about?
06:09It has also been said from a security point of view that it is regrettable to give political color to security matters.
06:16I think the KPK gave it first and then the head of ANP gave it.
06:21So I think he is talking about him.
06:23You people also gave it.
06:25No, when he came out and said that the meeting was held, then only after that we said that the meeting was held.
06:30But he was saying that the meeting was held and you are saying that it was political.
06:34No, I am saying that the first meeting was related to national security, in which all the people were present.
06:40Since I was not there in the second meeting, so what should I comment on it now?
06:46Okay, and there is nothing in it that you should fix your matters, be straight, what is the way, let's move on.
06:53Sir, only Mr. Gauhar can tell, I am not in a position.
06:55Then deny it, there is no such thing.
06:57No sir, why should I deny it?
07:00Okay, so you are saying that whatever you want to ask, ask Mr. Gauhar.
07:04Sir, because he was present in it, or CM KPK, I mean Mr. Gandapur was present.
07:08So when you met him, you did not ask him anything?
07:12No, I will tell you today, because I have had surgery and for the past 5 days, you can see my swelling.
07:18I was completely out of the media.
07:20Today I came back to the direct session before the meeting with his treatment.
07:25So today I called Peshawar and asked, what should I do with him?
07:28Who?
07:29The one whom Peshawar called and asked, what happened?
07:32I don't know.
07:34I want to pass a comment on that.
07:36I couldn't meet Mr. Gauhar.
07:39You didn't ask Mr. Gauhar, when did I ask him?
07:42I am talking about someone else, you were asking him.
07:44Mr. Gauhar was in Adyala.
07:45When the National Assembly session was held, I think when you came, we protested and boycotted and left.
07:51So a year, a year and a half, a year and a half?
07:54Sir, ask those who did the press conference, who are in trouble right now.
07:59I will show you the government press conference.
08:01The government did not come, no talks, no matters, Mr. Irfan Siddiqui said, listen.
08:06They are giving reference to the meeting, that security of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, there is a meeting called on it.
08:13I am saying on the basis of full authority, that in that meeting,
08:17Barrister Ali Gauhar Sahab, Gandapur Sahab, tried to present their political demands,
08:25and have a discussion on them, but they have been made clear that this is a meeting on security.
08:31It has nothing to do with any politics.
08:33The problem of honesty.
08:35Is this press conference because of that meeting?
08:39I think there were two meetings.
08:42Does it make sense that the government does press conference?
08:45Yes sir.
08:46There are two meetings.
08:47One may be the return of that meeting.
08:49More than that.
08:51We had information, and we were also considering many things in writing.
08:57I spent seven days on this draft.
09:00We realized that when it came to political prisoners, the government was assuming that
09:05Mr. Imran Khan's name would be written here.
09:07And then that draft would be waved across the entire media that, look, NRO is being asked.
09:12Those expectations could not be fulfilled.
09:15Those statements of NRO could not be made.
09:18Because of which there was an aggression.
09:20Now, after the aggression, the press conference that was held,
09:22in that, for example, Mr. Rana said, I have been named as one of the 13 martyrs in the press conference.
09:28He said, there is no injury.
09:31I have given the entire list of bullet wounded in the press conference.
09:35We are not going to give this to Mr. Rana.
09:37We are going to give this to the Judicial Commission, sir.
09:39Because Mr. Rana and his government are among those who shoot bullets.
09:43He should not play the role of a murderer and a judge himself.
09:46What we are talking about the Judicial Commission, these things should be kept in front of the Judicial Commission.
09:51It should not be kept there.
09:53They threw your demands out.
09:56Every demand.
09:57Shick by shick.
09:59They did not leave a single shick.
10:01There are two shicks.
10:02How many more did they have to leave?
10:03They had to leave one shick.
10:04Part of one shick.
10:05It was like this.
10:061, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7.
10:10Check the legality of this in the first commission to be made.
10:13Check the legality of this.
10:14Check the harassment on the media.
10:17The government's internet shutdown.
10:19So, you put 7.
10:20Then you put up to the H of the second commission.
10:221, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8.
10:25And then there was also a B part of it.
10:27They did it one by one.
10:30They did all your work one by one.
10:32They did all your work one by one.
10:34Tell me one thing.
10:36It is so well drafted.
10:39That they can't do anything against us.
10:43Look at it politically.
10:44If you had a meeting in Peshawar.
10:46And whatever you talked about it.
10:48It has an effect.
10:49Or as you are saying.
10:50It is possible that they did it for some other reason.
10:53I am on oath.
10:54Today they threw out your negotiations and your demands.
10:58That means.
10:59Listen to me.
11:00As I am on oath.
11:02And I never violate this.
11:04I don't discuss minutes of the meeting.
11:08Ask Rana sir.
11:09And Irfan Siddiqui sir.
11:12That the press conference that you did.
11:14What were you saying inside?
11:17What were you saying?
11:18Sir, I am not saying that I am on oath.
11:20I am expressing my duty.
11:21I am obeying my oath.
11:23Ask them what they were saying inside.
11:26Give me a hint.
11:27Give me a hint.
11:28I will ask Rana sir.
11:29I will ask him.
11:30Ask them.
11:31That you didn't say that you gave us a total charge sheet.
11:33His tongue could have been soft.
11:36This kind of things.
11:39This has hurt sir.
11:41Kashif sir.
11:42Absolutely right.
11:43We were saying.
11:44That verbally we are making two demands.
11:46You accept it.
11:48You accept it.
11:49Don't accept it.
11:50Now the writers have come.
11:51Now the writers are hurting us.
11:53So you are saying that.
11:54They thought that you gave them a charge sheet.
11:56They thought that.
11:57Today the negotiations will not be effective.
12:01It is over.
12:02Tell me.
12:03How will you negotiate after this?
12:04The press conference.
12:05The atmosphere inside the negotiations.
12:07That was very positive.
12:09And it was said that.
12:10We will give you the answer in seven days.
12:12And.
12:13Then the next meeting.
12:14There will be a call.
12:15All these things will happen.
12:16There was a lot inside.
12:17But the press conference that took place.
12:18And then obviously.
12:19In response to that.
12:20My press conference took place.
12:22So that.
12:23In hindsight.
12:24Now when so much hard hitting happens.
12:26And bashing happens.
12:27So after that.
12:28Climbing back on the track.
12:30It is not so easy.
12:32But why was this done?
12:33I know.
12:34You came out.
12:35All this.
12:36Okay.
12:37I can say one thing with responsibility.
12:38After coming out.
12:39All these things have been said.
12:40In which.
12:41Not a single thing has been said.
12:42Among them.
12:43Not even a single thing.
12:44Has been pointed out.
12:45Meeting.
12:46In the committee meeting.
12:47These things have been said only after coming out.
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