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00:00Brandon Ingram, I'd be shocked.
00:02Okay, put a percentage on it.
00:04Five.
00:05Five out of 100.
00:06Sure.
00:07Five percent chance they land B.I.
00:09I think Brandon Ingram is going to be moved.
00:12I think the Warriors, in that particular case, it's kind of being used as something else.
00:17I think Brandon Ingram probably ends up in Atlanta or something like that.
00:21The Jimmy Butler thing, I give a much higher percentage to because, not because that's
00:28what the Warriors want and not because it's what Jimmy Butler wants.
00:33But I think that there's a high likelihood that that whole situation just ends up left
00:38at the altar.
00:39Sounds like an arranged marriage to me.
00:40Yeah.
00:41I don't think the Sons and Butler can get together.
00:45They are Ross and Rachel.
00:46I think they want to get together, but there's just too many factors preventing it.
00:52And so we're going to need to do seven seasons before you finally end up together.
00:57And our show somehow just got whiter.
01:00And older.
01:01What percentage would you put on Jimmy Butler as we're putting numbers on it?
01:04To the Warriors?
01:0530.
01:06Whoa.
01:07Whoa.
01:08By the way, this is coming from a dude who's just sitting here.
01:12Like I'm not.
01:13A dude who apparently watches a lot of Friends.
01:15The kids do, unfortunately.
01:16Yeah.
01:17They got that stupid thing on HBO Max.
01:19I get it.
01:20I get it.
01:21It's just rolling on the background all day.
01:22Constantly.
01:23Jimmy, can I have the remote, please?
01:27Probably not.
01:28I feel like 30 is a little bit too spicy for me.
01:30I would put it more at about 12.5, 1 in 8.
01:35My thought on it is Jimmy's got to end up somewhere.
01:38Does he?
01:39I think he does.
01:40See, normally I would agree with you, but when it comes to Pat Riley in Miami, I do
01:43think that Pat Riley might just say, you're going to stick and stay, Jimmy B.
01:47He could.
01:48Because we're the same team without you.
01:50I'm not going to put it past him.
01:54And then Nikola Vucevic, 65.
01:59I like that.
02:00Yeah.
02:01So 2 in 3 chance.
02:02Yeah.
02:03Because he's cheap and because he's something.
02:05There's a pound of meat that they're going to feed the fans with.
02:09Because if they don't, holy hell.
02:11Holy hell.
02:12My God.
02:13Mike, the press conference tomorrow?
02:16Yeah.
02:18We just wanted to be responsible and they're just, gosh, trades are hard.
02:22Nothing came together.
02:23Oh God.
02:24Oh God.
02:26I would feel for you because everyone will be livid and it will look embarrassing.
02:32If you don't make a move, do you have to hold a press conference?
02:36I guess not.
02:38You never have to hold a press conference.
02:40Right.
02:41But when you acquire somebody, you want to stand up there and go, you know what?
02:43We're really happy to have acquired fill in the blank.
02:48Something we worked really hard on and we're going to hate to see fill in the blank, leave
02:52our team, but we're happy to have fill in the blank.
02:54If you do nothing, you're better off holding nothing, in my opinion.
02:59You might be right.
03:01You might be right.
03:02The other small piece of this for me before we go back to the phones and something that
03:06somebody pointed out on Twitter, I think a while back, the Andre Iguodala jersey retirement
03:10is February 23rd.
03:12If you make no move, the fan base may reprise the Chris Mullen retirement ceremony from
03:2015 years ago.
03:21I don't think it will quite sound like that, but I feel you.
03:24I feel you.
03:25And that's what I mean.
03:27When I said a half hour ago, the warriors have to make a move.
03:31That is not me telling you that unequivocally that like the right thing to do is make a
03:37move.
03:38I'm just sitting here reading the PR for you.
03:40They have to make a move.
03:42This has gotten way too far gone.
03:47I don't know how many people all watch every show or whatever.
03:51This has been the loudest run up to a trade deadline I think I've ever heard for a team
03:57that has yet to make a trade.
04:00Don't give me Schroeder in December.
04:01That's different.
04:02Trades are hard.
04:03This has been going on since last summer.
04:06And every show, every day, ESPN, TNT, Bleacher Report, Mark Stein, here we go.
04:14The athletic constant.
04:17Warriors desperate to make a deal.
04:19You get all the way to the deadline, you have Luca, you have AD, you got De'Aaron Fox,
04:26you got Zach Levine, Chris Middleton, Jonas Valanciunas, all these people changing addresses
04:32and the Warriors are like, we got nothing.
04:36Oh my God, and here comes the all-star game?
04:41It's just not a look that I think the Warriors are willing to do.
04:44I agree with you, but I don't think that they're going to make a swing out of desperation.
04:48I do believe what Steve Kerr and Steph and all of them have said all along about making
04:52a big swing out of desperation or mortgaging the future for a big swing.
04:58I don't think that that's going to happen.
05:00I also believe that in light of everything that's happened, the Warriors are feeling
05:04the pressure to do something.
05:06You got to do something.
05:08And if Cam Johnson's going to cost you a first and you don't want to do that.
05:12His name got silent, didn't it?
05:13Well, that might be a good thing, right?
05:15Maybe.
05:16Because as you've mentioned before, nobody saw the Luca and AD trade coming, nobody.
05:21But now we're at the 11th hour.
05:23I mean, it's about 1045.
05:24I mean, yeah, where are we here, 21 hours?
05:2920 hours and 50 minutes.
05:31I mean, we're getting late because we got to sleep to like no one's going to do this
05:36at three in the morning.
05:37Well, I mean, that that AD thing crossed about 930 at night, 1230 Eastern.
05:42Yeah, that's fine.
05:43So the NBA people still awake at 1230.
05:45And these people like Mike Dunleavy will be awake at 1230 tonight.
05:49Possibly.
05:50Possibly.
05:51888-957-9570.
05:52So Kevin Durant does not want to be a warrior.
05:55The Warriors are moving on.
05:57I think it's a complete gut punch.
05:59It's a realization, sensation that this is not the destination that the Warriors think
06:07it to be.
06:08And my other real concern here, and this is me just projecting and it's very, very early,
06:14but this is if I'm the Warriors, this is what I'm worried about with regard to Steph Curry.
06:19I'm worried that this is step one toward him feeling like, hey, I can still do some things
06:26in the NBA, but not here.
06:29Not here.
06:30I think people want to join me, but I don't think people want to do it here.
06:34Whether it's Draymond, Joe Lacob, Steve Kerr, or just general age, lack of assets, whatever
06:42it is, if Steph gets to that point, does he does he reevaluate what he wants to do with
06:48his individual future?
06:50It's a concern.
06:51It becomes more concerning in 20 hours and 48 minutes.
06:55If you come back with the same squad.
06:57I'm kind of already there.
06:58Yeah, I'm not there.
06:59Because Nikola Vujovic is not what Steph has in mind.
07:02No, but it's the first move of, you know, the Steph Curry era is not between now and
07:06noon tomorrow.
07:07It's going to be this year and two more.
07:09So if you get a little bit better and you get to the offseason and you get a little
07:12bit better and maybe Kaminga is here and he improves, there is a path to where you can
07:17get closer to where Steph wants you to be.
07:20Breaking news, Donovan Mitchell has been ruled out tonight.
07:22So maybe he's going to be a Warrior.
07:25Right, right.
07:26He's out with hurt feelings after getting motorboated by Boston.
07:29Yeah, they came back.
07:30They lost a closey in the end, but yeah, they're in Detroit tonight.
07:34And so Donovan.
07:35Well, there you go.
07:36Second half of a back to back.
07:37Second half of a back to back.
07:38Yeah.
07:39Yeah.
07:40Those of us who think Darius Garland is going to score a lot of points tonight are feeling
07:42a little better at this moment.
07:43But anyway, thank you.
07:45On we go to Koran Walnut Creek.
07:49Hi Koran.
07:50Thanks for the call.
07:51Hey guys.
07:52Hey guys.
07:53I just want to say a few things.
07:55The reason why we can't get any big names to come to the Warriors is because everybody
08:01wants what Steph has already accomplished with the Warriors, which is bring a team that
08:07was pretty much at the bottom and brought them all the way to the top and all all stars.
08:14I think that's the main goal for every superstar in the NBA.
08:19You know what I mean?
08:21That's the kind of a turnoff when it looks like we're desperate trying to get anything
08:28and everything to join our team for us to win, and it seems like that's a big turnoff
08:36for everybody.
08:37Well, another thing is, oh yeah, can I respond to that real quick and then we'll come right
08:42back to you?
08:43I agree and disagree.
08:44And here's what I mean by that.
08:46I think you're right.
08:47The players start out that way.
08:49Evidence?
08:50Dame Lillard.
08:51He's like, nope, we're doing this in Portland, but then they turn 30 and if it's not working
08:56and they become veteran players, then they want to team up.
09:00So I think you're right.
09:01If we're talking about a De'Aaron Fox type, he wants to build up.
09:04But if you are talking about a Durant or a Jimmy Butler, I don't, you know what I mean?
09:08Like then, then I think you're free to ring chase a little bit.
09:12Yeah, that, that's true.
09:15I agree with that because of what they're trying to accomplish with their career.
09:22But at the same time, I feel like that, like, like you said, with the Dame thing, he could
09:27have came here and he didn't.
09:29And I feel like that's a big part of why we can't get somebody.
09:34But this whole Jimmy thing, it's kind of weird.
09:38It's like he's trying to hold out to maybe possibly get a little bit more out of us.
09:44I don't think that's going to happen.
09:46I think he's just making a sweat, but I feel like everybody can put the over on Jimmy coming
09:51here.
09:52Brandon Ingram, I don't think he's going anywhere, but I would love to get Vujovic.
09:57And that's all I got to say, guys.
09:59Okay.
10:00Yeah.
10:01Coron, thanks.
10:02I mean, on some level, if we do want to like get into the weeds a little bit, it's unfortunate
10:08that the Vujovic thing now, if it happens, is going to feel like a total settle because
10:13you started dancing with Durant and then you're like Vujovic.
10:17But yeah, Vujovic on its own.
10:19It's a good move.
10:20It's a good move.
10:21It's a really good move.
10:22Especially player.
10:23In theory, you would keep Draymond Wiggins and Kaminga.
10:25Sure.
10:26You would only part with an expiring Schroeder and expiring GP two or Kavon, whichever one
10:32and probably a second round pick.
10:34Maybe two seconds.
10:35I don't even know.
10:36Second round picks are like Halloween candy where you usually wind up with more than you
10:40can.
10:42Although the Warriors have done pretty well, TJD was a second round pick.
10:45Yeah.
10:46But you don't mind moving them.
10:47You don't mind it.
10:48No.
10:49And as far as assets you can give and get back, the second round pick is that.
10:52No doubt.
10:53Like I can loan you five bucks and you'll give it to me tomorrow and it's like, cool.
10:56Five and five or ten and ten, whatever.
10:58It's very transferable, but it would feel a little bit like a letdown, which is kind
11:03of too bad.
11:04And it's the kind of move that I've been thinking they would make all along.
11:08I didn't think that they would make a big move.
11:10Now, they still might.
11:12And you know, Butler could happen.
11:14Heck, KD could still happen, even though the reports are he has no desire to come here.
11:19They still can make that work.
11:21It's well, I don't know that they can still make it work.
11:24Well, they're allowed to.
11:26Yes.
11:27But his desire could change.
11:28I mean, Steph could make a phone call or all I'm saying is stranger.
11:32Things have happened.
11:33Sure.
11:34But there's just for me, there's too many voices who I really, really trust all on the
11:38same page.
11:39Shams, Windhorse, Mark Spears, and then Anthony Slater, when they all come together and like
11:44the other Warriors are moving on.
11:46And again, if you didn't hear Mark Spears on ESPN earlier today, check it out.
11:50I was there that last year is in Golden State, saw a lot of those games and saw this unhappiness
11:55no matter what their success was.
11:57Was it Draymond?
11:58Was it Joe Laker behind the scenes?
12:00Was it Kerr?
12:01There were a lot of things there.
12:02And I was told that a couple of days ago and Kevin heard about this Warriors rumbling.
12:06It was like, what?
12:09I don't want to go back there.
12:11I was pretty adamant.
12:12And I think he approached the Suns to get some clarity on it.
12:15And can you work with me to find a place somewhere else?
12:18And, you know, from what I hear right now, I've just got a text that is dead.
12:23I mean, two things.
12:24The Warriors deal is dead.
12:25Yeah.
12:26For Kevin Durant.
12:27Like they're moving on.
12:28This is a very, very damning statement on so many levels.
12:31Mark Spears is literally saying Kevin Durant went to the Suns like, no, send me anywhere
12:35else but there.
12:36Well, the fact that he said, can you work with me on something else, tells me that they're
12:40letting Kevin know, yeah, we're trying to trade you.
12:43Where do you want to go?
12:44But that's if they're trying to get Butler.
12:46And if they can't and there's nowhere else that can fit KD, that's how Butler could end
12:50up in Golden State.
12:52I get it.
12:53But, you know, another observation that comes from listening to that again, I think a couple
12:57times when he listed the things that it could be that Kevin doesn't want about the Warriors.
13:02Is it Draymond?
13:03Is it Joe Laker?
13:04Is it Steve Kerr?
13:05And listening to that again, I don't think that that's what he was saying.
13:10He's saying that all of those things were a problem last time.
13:16Listen to it again.
13:18He literally is saying when Kevin was here before, all of these things were negative
13:27factors in Kevin's mind.
13:29Listen again.
13:30I was there that last year is in Golden State.
13:32Saw a lot of those games and saw this unhappiness no matter what their success was.
13:37Was it Draymond?
13:38Was it Joe Laker behind the scenes?
13:39Was it Kerr?
13:40There were a lot of things there.
13:41And I was told that a couple of days ago when Kevin heard about this Warriors rumbling,
13:46he was like, what?
13:48No, I don't want to go back there.
13:50I was pretty adamant.
13:51And I think he approached the Suns to get some clarity on it.
13:55And can you work with me to find a place somewhere else?
13:58And you know, from what I hear right now, I just got a text that it's dead.
14:02I mean, two things.
14:03The Warriors deal is dead.
14:04Yeah.
14:05For Kevin Durant.
14:06Like they're moving on.
14:07I mean, it does sound to me like he's saying those could be the reasons now.
14:10He's saying they were the reasons then.
14:12Yeah.
14:13And that's a big deal.
14:15It is.
14:16But it's no great surprise.
14:17The Laker piece might be a bit of a surprise, but we know that he didn't necessarily always
14:22see eye to eye with Steve Kerr.
14:24And the way Kevin Durant plays is not the way that the Warriors play generally with
14:28passing and moving.
14:30Katie's much more of an isolation player, maybe the best in the game.
14:33And, you know, the Draymond thing is well known and well traveled.
14:37So yeah, all those reasons were true.
14:40Doesn't mean that it can't work better a second time around.
14:43But Mark Spears, a guy who is well connected, and when he says at the end, I just got a
14:48text that says it's dead.
14:50They're moving on.
14:52Well, that's all you need to know about that.
14:55So if Butler wants to get to Phoenix and KD wants to find a destination outside of Golden
15:01State, I don't know how the Warriors factor in on any of that.
15:05Yeah.
15:06I mean, even if it's KD to Miami and then Jimmy Butler to Golden State, what would the
15:12Warriors give to Phoenix that they would want?
15:15It would have to be Wiggins and Schroeder and Kaminga and more.
15:19I got to think that, and for me, we heard so much leading up to this that Jonathan Kaminga,
15:25the Warriors do not want to trade him.
15:27And the only reason I think that he suddenly was on the table was because we were talking
15:32about Kevin Durant, period.
15:35I don't think there's any other player in this particular situation that we know to
15:40be available that I would give up Jonathan Kaminga for.
15:44For Durant, I'm open to that.
15:47Butler or any of these other cats, no.
15:48No.
15:49Well, then I don't know how you get involved in this sweepstakes, because I don't think
15:53Phoenix would give up Durant, not get Butler, and settle for Wiggins and your detritus.
16:00I agree with you.
16:01No.
16:02To me, this is now between Golden State and Miami Direct.
16:04This doesn't have to do with Phoenix anymore.
16:06This is about whether or not—
16:07But Jimmy said he's not going to sign an extension here.
16:09Fine.
16:10So you bring him in anyway for two months?
16:11Sure.
16:12Yes.
16:13That, to me, is a losing proposition.
16:14The only reason the Warriors may like that, just me spitballing here, you're not giving
16:19up Kaminga in the deal.
16:21You're not giving up first-round draft picks in the deal.
16:24You would be giving up something like Wiggins and a couple of expiring contracts.
16:30That's what you'd be doing.
16:31Miami then turns half of Butler's salary into an expiring deal, and then, oh, by the way,
16:36so do you.
16:37You get Jimmy Butler for a couple of months, and if a mind changes, you could stick with
16:44him.
16:45If not, he becomes an expiring contract, and you try to do something else with it in
16:48the offseason.
16:49Too risky for me.
16:50What's the risk?
16:51The risk is Jimmy Butler is very volatile, and he comes in, and he wants an extension,
16:57or he doesn't want an extension, and then he says, you know what?
17:00I'm opting in, guys.
17:01I'm going to stick it out for another year for $50 million.
17:03I don't think he would do that.
17:05Well, if the market out there is not good enough for Jimmy Butler to get more, he might
17:09just opt in and stay.
17:11Someone's going to give him more.
17:12I mean, maybe not per year, but someone's going to up that ante.
17:17You're bringing in a guy who has already blown up multiple spots.
17:22He's forced his way out of now three different teams.
17:25He's got knee issues, and you don't know if he and Draymond Green are going to get along.
17:30They're cut from the same cloth.
17:31As long as you know that the option is there to move on from Jimmy at the end of the year,
17:35I don't see what the risk is.
17:37You don't know that you have an option.
17:38He might decide that he wants to stay here.
17:40I think there are ways to talk that out ahead of time.
17:44In fact, we already have a report that he does not want to stay here.
17:48As long as you're not giving up major assets, what do you have to lose?
17:52You're 25-24, and you're the 11th seed.
17:54If you're just looking at where you are this year, you have very little to lose.
18:00You have very little to gain, in my opinion.
18:01Oh, that's fine.
18:02For a guy who is...
18:03I think some people think Jimmy Butler is a hell of a player.
18:07Is he better than Andrew Wiggins?
18:10The fact that you had to pause tells me all I need to know about...
18:13Because Jimmy is a much better player than Andrew Wiggins.
18:15He is.
18:16He is.
18:17But you're talking about in this tiny little sample, and I haven't seen him play more than
18:22one game in the last six weeks.
18:26Because of what?
18:28Because they're fighting.
18:29Because of his behavior.
18:30Well, or he thinks it's because of their behavior, though.
18:33There you go.
18:34Two sides to every story.
18:35Correct.
18:36But when there's a pattern of you forcing your way out of locations, that's a player
18:40I want no part of.
18:41He's a lot, and I'm with you.
18:43I agree with you.
18:44I'm just saying that if you get down to the end, and there's nowhere for him to go, and
18:50you can get your hands on Jimmy Butler for essentially nothing, and all you're risking
18:54is the next two months, I could see the Warriors doing that because they're kind of like shrugged
18:59shoulders, what do we got to lose?
19:00Well, I would rather stick with what I have and be 41 and 41 than part with anything to
19:08bring in that player.
19:10But I don't know that, again, they feel like they got to do something.
19:14I think.
19:15And I wonder if they do feel that way.
19:16In the next 20 hours and 36 minutes, we'll determine a lot about how they feel.
19:21T.I. in Oakland, next up, Willard and Dibbs.
19:23Hi, T.I., thanks for calling.
19:24Hey, afternoon, guys.
19:25How you doing?
19:26Good, man.
19:27Good.
19:28So, a couple things, man.
19:29First of all, I'm a Warrior fan, but I still need to say this.
19:30We're spoiled as Warrior fans.
19:31We're only three years removed from the championship.
19:32And we're just basically, we want another championship, but I'm not trying to mortgage
19:46the future in order to get that.
19:48I'm out on Butler and I'm out on KD.
19:52First of all, both of those guys are kind of similar in the sense they do want the success
19:57to be focused on them.
19:59The only star that comes here has to understand is Steph's team, and they're not going to
20:04get to shine like Steph gets to shine.
20:07I believe we can move forward with the team that we have.
20:10Maybe Butchovich would help us, but I believe that we just need to be patient, go in and
20:15ride the season out, see what happens in the offseason, but don't mortgage the future just
20:21to do something, just to be part of, you know, the trade, hoopla or whatever.
20:26I think, you know, the championships that we did get, we just need to accept that for
20:31now, that's what we got.
20:33Thanks for letting me call.
20:34Yep.
20:35Yep.
20:36T.I., thanks for calling.
20:37And I think it's an opinion shared by many.
20:38I'd kind of, I'd kind of split it into two.
20:40I agree with that take when it comes to Jimmy Butler, not as much with regard to Durant,
20:45but it sounds like everybody's moved on from Kevin Durant.
20:48He's moved on.
20:49He doesn't want to come.
20:50Warriors don't want to try to acquire a disgruntled player.
20:53Again, I'm with you, Dibbs.
20:54I'm out on Butler personally, but you and I aren't making that call.
20:59And if it gets down to the last minute and Miami literally is like, I've got to get this
21:03guy out of here and therefore the ask is for very little in return.
21:08I could see the Warriors taking a bite of the apple.
21:12Like I don't think it's impossible still.
21:14I don't think it's impossible, but I would strongly advise against it.
21:18Even if you wind up sending only expiring contracts and Wiggins, because Wiggins would
21:24probably be the big salary piece and he's not expiring.
21:28If it was Wiggins and you're expiring for Jimmy Butler, no picks, I still would say
21:33don't do it because of the volatility that Jimmy brings.
21:37And you could tell me you don't, you want to opt out and you don't want an extension,
21:41but he might get here and think, you know what?
21:43I like it here.
21:44I'm going to stay.
21:45Yeah, I don't think.
21:46I mean, you never know.
21:47I think there are, there are ways to, there are ways to sort of guarantee that if you
21:51will.
21:52But for him, the only way is I'm opting in.
21:53Well, and there you have it.