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"Heated Exchange Between Ali Amin and Faisal Karim Kundi..." Muhammad Malick's Analysis
Kurram Mamla Akhir Hai Kya? - Aimal Wali Khan Told Everything
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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, you are watching Khabar Lahariya, I am Mohd Malik.
00:14The whole of Pakistan is discussing what will happen tomorrow, the negotiation committee
00:18battery.
00:19Nothing is going to happen, but let's go, the arrangement for the proof will start tomorrow.
00:24The PTA has said that if tomorrow they do not agree with our commission, then you should
00:30consider it over.
00:31But it will continue on its own, then the second view is that on Friday, when the punishment
00:36will be given, now there is no talk of a decision, everyone is saying that the punishment will
00:40be announced, the £190 million case of Imran Khan on Friday, what difference will it make
00:44in politics, what will happen, what will not.
00:46Then in the coming days, on 20th, Donald Trump is also taking up his office.
00:51On 26th, the term of the Chief Election Commissioner will end.
00:54Letters have also been written on it, for the election commissioner, the chairman of the
00:59senate and the speaker of the National Assembly, the PTA has also said that the process of
01:04the committee should be started.
01:07But the interesting thing is that yesterday there was a very important meeting on law
01:11and order and security in Peshawar.
01:14There were army chiefs, governors, KPK chief ministers, the main political parties, all
01:20of them were their top leaders, and there were some ministers as well.
01:25And it was a meeting of 3-4 hours plus.
01:28And instead of positive things coming out of it, we also got this news, we also shared
01:32it with you yesterday, that on one occasion there was such a quarrel between Governor
01:36Kundi and Ameen Ghandapur that he got up and left.
01:40And he said that it is better than this, I should go out and smoke a cigarette.
01:44Then maybe after going out, someone must have said that it is better, you come back.
01:48The army chief is also sitting inside.
01:50Long-term losses are made by getting angry like this.
01:53So after a while he himself came back and everything happened.
01:56I thought that in this meeting, the matter of Kurram must have been discussed in detail,
02:00exhaustively discussed.
02:02Because right now it is a flashpoint.
02:05You know from November that the highway is still closed.
02:08The road to Parachinar is closed.
02:10Around 137 people have been killed in direct conflict.
02:14There are reports that around 130 children have died due to the use of non-medical medicines.
02:20Apart from this, people were saying that tomatoes are being sold for Rs. 700-800 per kilo.
02:26Sugarcane is being sold for Rs. 250 per kilo, if it is available somewhere.
02:30Or someone can give it.
02:32It is a bad situation.
02:34Today it is being said that a great job has been done.
02:37Two convoys of 25-26 trucks have gone.
02:40It is at a standstill.
02:42But it seems that we do not have a priority.
02:44So today we want to discuss this only.
02:47What is this issue?
02:49Is it a Shia-Sunni issue?
02:51Is it a land dispute?
02:53This is a 130-year-old land dispute.
02:57Because I had published newspapers on this in 2008, 2011, 2024 and 2025.
03:04When you read the newspapers of 2008 at that time,
03:07it seems that today's publication is the same.
03:11But in 2011, it was underwritten by Haqqani's.
03:22What is the impact of that promise?
03:26Someone says that you call it a local dispute.
03:29Is it really a local dispute?
03:31If Afghan groups are also involved, then how is it a local dispute?
03:34Is it a simple land dispute?
03:36No one speaks completely.
03:39Maulana Fazlur Rahman said today in Lahore that
03:42this is not a Shia-Sunni issue.
03:45This is a local issue.
03:47But Shia-Sunni are involved in it.
03:49Brother, such issues are there.
03:51So what is the issue?
03:53So today we want to talk about this only.
03:55Very intelligent people have joined us.
03:58Imran Wali Khan is with us.
04:00President of Awami National Party.
04:02Thank you very much.
04:04Iftikhar Fardaws is an analyst and journalist.
04:06He has worked a lot on this issue.
04:08Let's talk about political suicide today.
04:10What happened and what didn't happen.
04:12But can you tell me, is the news about the fight okay?
04:14Those who got angry and left.
04:16Unfortunately,
04:18unluckily,
04:20these childhoods were happening.
04:24Khurram was not exhaustively discussed?
04:26No, sorry to say.
04:28More than Khurram,
04:30Pakistan and Afghanistan
04:32and TTP
04:34and TTA were discussed.
04:38What do you think is the issue of Khurram?
04:40Is it really a simple land dispute?
04:42A land dispute?
04:44130 years ago,
04:46there were joint lands
04:48in the time of the white people.
04:50Then came the tribal area.
04:52Then when there was a conflict,
04:54the issues remained unresolved.
04:56Or is it Shia-Sunni?
04:58Let me tell you,
05:00Parachinar is Upper Parachinar,
05:02then Khurram is Upper,
05:04then Central and then Lower.
05:06The majority population is Shia population.
05:08Then in the middle,
05:10there are Sunnis.
05:12In the lower, there is a majority of Sunnis
05:14and a few Shias.
05:16But the interesting thing about Parachinar
05:18is that it is
05:20in the center of Afghanistan.
05:22Afghanistan is on all three sides of Parachinar.
05:24And this was a very
05:26favorite crossing point.
05:28Earlier it was the Taliban,
05:30now it is called Mujahideen.
05:32Taliban came later,
05:34so there are many factors.
05:38You have made it very easy for us.
05:40Now tell me, what is the problem?
05:42You have solved half of the problem.
05:44If you look at it from a different perspective,
05:46then half of the problem
05:48is the last part
05:50of your question.
05:54But let's come to this later.
05:58These are land disputes.
06:00We accept it.
06:04And then these disputes
06:06unfortunately
06:08Shia and Sunnis are living
06:10in the whole of Pakistan
06:12like brothers.
06:14And our Pashtun traditions
06:16have such a good history
06:18that we
06:20Shia and Sunni
06:22used to live
06:24like brothers.
06:26We still remember
06:28and it is in our history
06:30and culture that
06:32we used to drink
06:34on the 10th of Muharram.
06:36We were children
06:38and our mother used to tell us
06:40and this is a very beautiful
06:42environment of Shia and Sunni.
06:44In fact, I will say that
06:46I have studied in that institution
06:48that we were all Shia and Sunni
06:50and we didn't have any problem.
06:52He has God, I have God
06:54and we have to leave some things to God.
06:56Historically,
06:58this problem has been created here.
07:02And this problem is not so small
07:04that we say that
07:06it has been created in a month
07:08like you said
07:10that I will say in 2008
07:12and if you pick up the newspaper
07:14even before that,
07:16this problem is very old.
07:18And this problem
07:20erupts every year,
07:22two years, three years later.
07:24And people go
07:26in the middle
07:28and there are disputes
07:30and as a result of the ceasefire
07:32there is peace for some time
07:34and then there are some disputes.
07:36I mean,
07:38it is like a sprinter
07:40that is always on fire.
07:42And when it is on fire,
07:44like you said,
07:46Shia and Sunni
07:48and then historically
07:50there are two international
07:52states
07:54that have a very big
07:56investment.
07:58Saudi Arabia has an investment
08:00in Sunnis
08:02and Iran has an investment
08:04in Shias.
08:06You will be surprised
08:08what bunkers are there.
08:10There are about 2,500 bunkers.
08:12And what weapons are there,
08:14what guns are there,
08:16rocket launchers,
08:18where did they come from?
08:20Sir,
08:22actually
08:24from time to time
08:26our perspective
08:28changes.
08:30Our character does not change.
08:32We
08:34in this country
08:36to increase
08:38the culture
08:40of guns,
08:42in fact
08:44I would say
08:46to create,
08:48this was not the culture
08:50of guns,
08:53but it was created
08:55and then it was increased.
08:57And to increase that,
08:59there is history,
09:01I will not go into details,
09:03but this erstwhile fatah
09:05was used completely.
09:07It was not
09:09legalized, black law,
09:11till now.
09:13So if there are international influences,
09:15then these efforts are only temporary?
09:17I will tell you,
09:19it will be temporary.
09:21This is a very complicated issue.
09:23And I still think
09:25that it will be temporary
09:27until there is a
09:29Pakhtun traditional
09:31which will solve
09:33the issue of these lands once and for all.
09:37See, where I was coming from,
09:39when the fatah
09:41ended and Pakhtunkhwa
09:43was formed,
09:45since the last 12 years
09:47this is a part of Pakhtunkhwa,
09:49if I am not mistaken,
09:51it is a part of Pakhtunkhwa
09:53since 7 or 8 years.
09:55In Pakhtunkhwa,
09:57there is only one party government.
09:59They have taken this historical issue,
10:01which you say is 130 years old,
10:03we all understand that
10:05it is a very old issue,
10:07to solve its land revenue record,
10:09what steps have they taken?
10:11Zero.
10:13Sir, number three,
10:15and the main reason
10:17that this whole game
10:19from a historical point of view,
10:21today,
10:23tomorrow,
10:25what you said,
10:27that it has a very
10:29good approach with Afghanistan.
10:33Sir, this place has been asked for
10:35as a historical site.
10:37This was also taken by the Taliban,
10:39they asked for it.
10:41If I am not wrong,
10:43I have an analyst with me,
10:45I have a scientist
10:47with me,
10:49I have already told you.
10:51But this is the same area
10:53which was being asked for
10:55by the Americans.
10:57I have heard that
10:59it is a very good platform.
11:01A leader of the People's Party
11:03spoke about it first,
11:05but he did not give any evidence
11:07for it.
11:09Where do you get evidence
11:11for such things?
11:13Do you get evidence
11:15from the scientists?
11:19Sir, this is the truth.
11:21This issue started
11:23with the speech
11:25of a leader of the People's Party.
11:27Secondly,
11:29is this a Shia-Sunni issue?
11:31Is this a land dispute?
11:33What is this fight?
11:35Sir, to be very quick,
11:37there are five factors
11:39that determine
11:41the situation
11:43security-wise.
11:45First of all,
11:47who rules in Afghanistan?
11:49I still remember
11:51there was an agreement
11:53in 2011
11:55and Khalilur Rahman Haqqani
11:57was the guarantor
11:59of Daesh's suicide attack
12:01in Kabul.
12:03Obviously,
12:05Afghanistan had stakes
12:07and you said that
12:09this was the route
12:11that the Mujahideen
12:13needed at that time
12:15because the route
12:17of 60 miles
12:19was the closest route
12:21to Kabul from this area.
12:23Osama bin Laden was also
12:25here in Tora Bora.
12:27He built his camp
12:29with the Jajis.
12:31After that, Haqqani
12:33used this route.
12:35These are known facts
12:38and the second factor
12:40is that
12:42this was an international
12:44proxy war zone.
12:46This trend has been going
12:48since the 1980s.
12:50After 2013,
12:52in the Syrian war,
12:54manpower and resources
12:56were used in this area.
12:58Hayat Tehrir al-Sham
13:00is now in Syria.
13:02Zainab Yun's people
13:04went to fight
13:06in this area.
13:08These are the statistics
13:10of the official government
13:12of Pakistan.
13:14Approximately 6,900 people
13:16came back to this area
13:18in 2017.
13:20Did the people who came back
13:22come from Sunni
13:24or Ahle Tashheed?
13:26The majority are from
13:28the Shia faction.
13:30The chief instigators
13:32who are called
13:34the Iranian
13:36Revolutionary Guards
13:38created a special cell
13:40for Zainab Yun.
13:42The Mehdi Brigade?
13:44Yes.
13:46Pakistan raised
13:48concerns about this.
13:50In March 2022,
13:52Pakistan was officially told
13:54after the death of Qasim Soleimani
13:56that they have disbanded
13:58this project.
14:00Zainab Yun is a
14:02sex phenomenon
14:04which is not limited
14:06to Padachanar.
14:08Is the number or the support
14:10more?
14:12It's a matter of opinion.
14:14If the issue was in Padachanar,
14:16then why were
14:18the blockages in Karachi?
14:20Pakistan's sectarian fault line
14:22starts from Gilgit
14:24to Karachi
14:26and then from D.I. Khan
14:28to Taftan.
14:30Padachanar is a centre
14:32but it is very scattered
14:34and if someone
14:36tries to disturb it,
14:38it affects the whole country.
14:40The second point is
14:42the proxy warfare.
14:44The third point
14:46is that
14:48this time what happened
14:50in Quram,
14:52the conflict has been going on
14:54for 130, 150, 200 years
14:56since 1890
14:58and women have never been kidnapped.
15:00This time, the special report
15:02written by the Deputy Commissioner
15:04and its conclusion is that
15:06we have lost the right
15:08to ask for the army
15:10because for the first time
15:12women have been kidnapped.
15:14And it has a reason.
15:16Our expectation
15:18from Quram
15:20is that it is a part of KP
15:22but they still want
15:24to treat it like FATA.
15:26The traditional stakeholders
15:28like Anjuman Hussainia
15:30and the six Sunni
15:32tribes formed in the name
15:34of Islam Zuna
15:36do not have the authority
15:38to implement
15:40because the political agents
15:42and tribes had separate powers
15:44and now they have merged
15:46in KP.
15:48The fourth phenomenon
15:50is the local militant
15:52terrorist organizations
15:54like Haidri Taliban,
15:56TTP, ISKP
15:58have started
16:00coming to KP again.
16:02There are two divisions
16:04in the south of KP
16:06Khayber Pakhtunkhwa's
16:08southern district,
16:10D.I. Khan's division
16:12and Banu's division.
16:14In the third division,
16:16Kohat was better
16:18comparatively.
16:20After this situation,
16:22you yourself said
16:24that the road is closed
16:26and it will be completed in 100 days.
16:28They could not open it.
16:30The fifth point is the land dispute.
16:32The land dispute
16:34was separate in the beginning
16:36and then there was a displacement
16:38and the Shias who lived in Sunni areas
16:40were also displaced
16:42and the Sunnis who lived in Shia areas
16:44were also displaced.
16:46The government without demarcation
16:48decided to send them back
16:51and they will stay here
16:53for almost 3500, 4000, 5000 people
16:55after their death
16:57from both sides.
16:59The quorum is known as
17:01Jang-e-Maghlooba locally.
17:03In Jang-e-Maghlooba,
17:05there are sectarian clashes
17:07and if 10,000 people die
17:09and there is an agreement,
17:11then you will have to call
17:13both sides.
17:15Then they wait for the next time
17:17to take their revenge.
17:19That is why they want
17:21compensation
17:23and the state apparatus
17:25in the quorum
17:27is non-functional at this time.
17:29First of all, the court said
17:31that our people are in danger
17:33and we need to get our judges out.
17:35The police did not have the capacity
17:37to control it.
17:39You can put 400 or 4000 people
17:41and the problem will not be solved
17:43so soon.
17:45The KP government
17:47created 8 clash points
17:49in the Shia-Sunni area
17:51to solve the land dispute
17:53which is an immediate concern.
17:55They wrote
17:572 of them
17:59in the registry
18:01and wrote
18:03that the distribution
18:05should be like this.
18:07After 16 months,
18:09the implementation
18:11was not possible.
18:13The Apex committee
18:15cannot implement
18:17their decisions
18:19then who are you looking at
18:21to implement them?
18:23I want to take a break
18:25after 5 minutes.
18:27When the convoy was attacked
18:29on 21st November,
18:31there were women and children.
18:33On that day,
18:35there was a red flag
18:37and we could not see
18:39women and children
18:41attacking each other.
18:43There were questions
18:45on that day
18:47as a common citizen.
18:49We live in a state
18:51where we have to
18:53keep our questions to ourselves.
18:55These convoys
18:57used to go
18:59in the security
19:01of the institutions.
19:03Even before
19:05all these clashes?
19:07The clashes started in September.
19:09On that day,
19:11Where was
19:13the security
19:15at that time?
19:17There were injuries.
19:19If you look at
19:21the actual list,
19:23there were armed
19:25personnel,
19:27army personnel,
19:29police personnel,
19:31and the convoy.
19:33The new trend
19:35in this conflict
19:37is that there were
19:39women and children.
19:41This is a terrorist element.
19:43Yes, exactly.
19:45Till now,
19:47we know
19:49what was the reason
19:51for the attack on 21st November.
19:53Let's take a break.
19:55We will come back
19:57after the break.
19:59Stay with us.
20:05Welcome back to the show.
20:07Before the break,
20:09I recorded a piece
20:11with Barista Saif.
20:13I asked him
20:15about his viewpoint
20:17on this issue.
20:19Let's listen to him
20:21and get his opinion.
20:23Assalam-o-Alaikum, Barista Saif.
20:25What is the latest situation?
20:27You were in Jargaon today.
20:29What is the latest situation?
20:33The latest situation
20:36is that
20:38both parties have signed
20:40a peace treaty.
20:42The process of
20:44implementing the treaty
20:46has begun.
20:48Unfortunately,
20:50there was a firing
20:52on Deputy Commissioner Kurum
20:54on 4th January.
20:56The issue
20:58has been settled.
21:00The protesters
21:02who had blocked
21:04the way
21:06and were attacked
21:08have also been
21:10talked to.
21:12The issue
21:14has been settled.
21:16The convoy
21:18is being prepared
21:20for the 3rd convoy.
21:22The regular
21:24convoy will start
21:26on this road
21:28for Parachinar.
21:30The bunkers
21:32have been destroyed.
21:34Some of them
21:36were destroyed today
21:38and some were destroyed yesterday.
21:40We are seeing
21:42that 6 bunkers have been destroyed.
21:44Approximately 2,500 bunkers
21:46have been built.
21:48When the bunkers were being built,
21:50where were the government
21:52and the security agencies?
21:54Didn't we find out
21:56when the 2,500 bunkers
21:58were being built?
22:00Both the groups
22:02have their own areas
22:04and their own communities.
22:06There are many villages
22:08where both the groups
22:10live in one village.
22:12When there is a fight,
22:14they build bunkers
22:16in their houses
22:18and attack
22:20each other.
22:22The bunkers
22:24have become
22:26a communal issue.
22:28You know that
22:30entire communities
22:32are involved in this issue.
22:34This issue has been going on
22:36for many years.
22:38The bunkers
22:40that have been built
22:42have been built
22:44in accordance
22:46with the agreement
22:48that both the groups
22:50will demolish
22:52the bunkers
22:54and surrender
22:56the bunkers.
22:58The agreement
23:00for 2008
23:02is in front of me
23:04and it looks like
23:06I am reading the news
23:08of 2025.
23:10The agreement
23:12has been signed
23:14and the bunkers
23:16will be demolished
23:18and the weapons
23:20will be returned.
23:22In 2011,
23:24there was a massacre
23:26in front of you
23:28and now in 2025,
23:30what will be the difference?
23:32This is what
23:34is being discussed.
23:36There is no Shia-Sunni issue
23:38there.
23:40It is a tribal war.
23:42Some people say
23:44that it is more of
23:46terrorism than Shia-Sunni
23:48because Taliban
23:50is very active in this area.
23:52It is a tribal war
23:54but it is Shia-Sunni
23:56and that is why
23:58there is a difference.
24:00What is this disorder?
24:02Is it the disorder of the land
24:04or Shia-Sunni?
24:06It is a
24:08130 year old
24:10issue
24:12and this issue
24:14has been coming up
24:16from 130 years.
24:18It is a multi-dimensional
24:21issue.
24:23It is not just
24:25a sectarian issue.
24:27It is a tribal issue
24:29and
24:31it is also
24:33a terrorist issue
24:35in Afghanistan.
24:37In this area
24:39because it was a
24:41tribal area in the past,
24:43there is a
24:45element of terrorism
24:47and extremism.
24:49It is a
24:51multi-dimensional issue
24:53and
24:55it is a
24:57tribal issue
24:59but
25:01it is also
25:03a terrorist issue
25:05and
25:07it is
25:09a tribal issue
25:11and
25:13it is also
25:15a terrorist issue
25:17We are not trying to do that.
25:19We are trying to find a long-term permanent solution, a sustainable solution.
25:23And we have done that this time as well.
25:26In this peace agreement, instead of the government setting the conditions,
25:30we have given the authority to both the parties to discuss,
25:34to discuss among themselves, to propose,
25:37and to bring forward such a peace agreement,
25:40which you can own, which you can own.
25:43And this is what happened.
25:44Both the parties have signed an agreement
25:48in which they have taken the responsibility
25:50to implement these measures for peace in the future.
25:53And what I am telling you about the bunkers,
25:55what I am telling you about the return of the political system,
25:57and the other issues,
25:59to identify extremists and extremists from within,
26:03to hand over the law,
26:04and to support those who implement the law,
26:07all these issues have been given by the communities themselves.
26:11And that is why we think that...
26:12When we talk to them, we have spoken to many of your followers,
26:15they say, how can we give them weapons?
26:18The Taliban and all these groups are very active there.
26:21Let's make peace among ourselves.
26:23When the Taliban come and hit everyone,
26:25the government cannot save us.
26:27Who will save us from them?
26:28We will not give them weapons.
26:30We will give them token weapons so that everyone is happy
26:33that so many weapons have come.
26:34But we cannot leave the real big weapons.
26:37Look, I will disagree with this logic
26:42because there are other agencies as well.
26:44They were also tribal areas in the past.
26:46People had weapons there as well,
26:48but they surrendered their weapons.
26:50And the Taliban sometimes attack there as well.
26:53North Waziristan, South Waziristan are in front of you.
26:55But there, the people have so much...
26:57But like Parachinar,
26:59that agency has not fallen into Afghanistan from all three sides, has it?
27:03I think it is not an issue to fall into Afghanistan.
27:06It is not an issue to enter Pakistan every day from Afghanistan.
27:09It is not like that.
27:10Certainly, there is a factor of terrorism.
27:14No one can deny that.
27:16But its magnitude is not so big
27:18that you have to keep missiles and anti-aircraft guns for it.
27:22The second thing is that this fight
27:24and the people who flee from both sides,
27:27there are very few Taliban people
27:30who come from there and fight
27:32and come inside and get killed in your area.
27:34Most of them are local people.
27:36They are local tribes.
27:38So for how long do you think
27:41all the roads will be opened
27:43and the gunship helicopters
27:45will not have to fly over the converse daily?
27:48For how long do you think
27:50there will be an acceptable level of normalcy in this?
27:54Look, the first thing is that people want peace.
27:58And one proof of that is that
28:00I have met almost three different people today.
28:03I have met Ahle Tashiq and Ahle Sunnah.
28:05And even now, Ahle Tashiq has a delegation sitting in my office.
28:08I am talking to them.
28:10And everyone is ready to say that we want peace.
28:13The only thing is that
28:15it is taking time to implement the peace agreements.
28:20We are moving slowly so that
28:22while gaining the trust of both communities,
28:24we can repair the bunkers
28:26and return the gunships.
28:271st February is our deadline.
28:29By 1st February, the gunships will be returned
28:31and the bunkers will be repaired.
28:33And I am sure that before that,
28:35we will take these things to normalcy.
28:37And if this does not happen by 1st February,
28:39then what option does the government have?
28:41The government has the same option.
28:43The tribes themselves have said that
28:45the responsibility will be taken by the tribes.
28:47And then the tribes,
28:49if there is any criminal in their area,
28:51or if there is any weapon,
28:53or if there is any other illegal thing
28:55that is in the form of violation of the agreement,
28:57then it will be their responsibility
28:59to implement the peace agreements.
29:01If the law enforcers have to use force,
29:03then we will definitely take action.
29:05And according to the law,
29:07we will take action.
29:09Now that you have raised your hand,
29:11I would like to ask you
29:13a few political questions.
29:15Tell me,
29:17the high-powered meeting
29:19in which the army chief was present,
29:21the chief minister was present,
29:23and the rest of the people were present.
29:25Was Barrister Gauhar also present?
29:27No, I don't think Barrister Gauhar
29:29was present in that meeting.
29:31This meeting was in Peshawar.
29:33As per Faisal Kareem Kundi,
29:35we did not see him in the video.
29:37That is why I am asking you,
29:39was he present in that meeting?
29:41Well, I do not have
29:43any direct information.
29:45But as per my information,
29:47he was not present.
29:49This was basically an official meeting.
29:51Has there been a separate meeting
29:53of Gauhar in Peshawar
29:55with the chief minister?
29:57As per my information,
29:59there is no such meeting.
30:01But only Barrister Gauhar
30:03can verify this.
30:05Only he can verify this.
30:07As per my information,
30:09there is no such meeting.
30:11Tell me one thing,
30:13you are very close to the chief minister
30:15and the entire PTI leadership.
30:17The perception that is being formed
30:19that there are some differences
30:21between the chief minister
30:23and the chief minister
30:25in Peshawar,
30:27on her own.
30:29Do you have any information
30:31about this?
30:33Look, Mr. Malik,
30:35you know that people
30:37call it,
30:39flying without wings.
30:41This is a common tradition
30:43in our politics.
30:45Look, there can be no basis
30:47for the differences
30:49between Bushra Bibi and
30:51the chief minister of Peshawar.
30:53He is the chief minister.
30:55He has his own jurisdiction
30:57and mandate.
30:59Bushra Bibi is the wife
31:01of Mr. Khan.
31:03She has a relationship
31:05with the entire party.
31:07There can be no basis
31:09for the differences
31:11between the two.
31:13There is always a meeting.
31:15Even today,
31:17I think that they are
31:19not comfortable
31:21in the chief minister's house.
31:23She does not like to stay there.
31:25As far as meetings are concerned,
31:27Bushra Bibi does not
31:29hold such meetings.
31:31Yes, she met with the staff
31:33and party leaders
31:35in November
31:37and gave a message
31:39to Mr. Khan.
31:41But since then,
31:43she has not met
31:45on record.
31:47She met with the government
31:49and formed committees.
31:51You are saying that Bushra Bibi
31:53has nothing to do with this matter.
31:55She has never tried
31:57to get involved in this matter.
31:59I have never seen her
32:01sitting in a meeting
32:03or delivering a message.
32:05No doubt,
32:07she lives in KP.
32:09Her political involvement
32:11ended at the D-Chowk Jalsa
32:13in 1925.
32:15She is completely apolitical
32:17in Peshawar.
32:19I will say the same.
32:21You are right.
32:23As far as I know,
32:25she has not taken part
32:27in any political campaign.
32:29Thank you very much
32:31for giving us your time.
32:33I hope you get
32:35a positive result.
32:37You were smiling
32:39when you were listening to him.
32:41Was he not telling the truth?
32:43Was Gauhar Khan
32:45present at the meeting?
32:47Why did he lie?
32:49I don't know
32:51why he is being kept
32:53hidden.
32:55He is the
32:57Governor-General
32:59of the same party
33:01whose Barrister Gauhar
33:03is the Chairman.
33:05He is lying
33:07that he has no knowledge
33:09about politics.
33:11Did he
33:13have any meetings
33:15with the military leadership?
33:17I have heard that
33:19he had meetings
33:21with the military leadership.
33:23Mr. Ahmad was
33:25present at the meeting.
33:27He told me
33:29the story of his
33:31operation in Bunehr.
33:33Everything is fine.
33:35Everything will be fine.
33:37The government will
33:39bring the government
33:41into power.
33:43Only the military can
33:45bring the government into power.
33:47Sir,
33:49I think
33:51that everyone will
33:53speak well
33:55when the lives
33:57of the people are at stake.
33:59This topic
34:01does not
34:03have any stakes.
34:05What do you mean
34:07by that?
34:09It does have stakes.
34:11You and I both know the history.
34:13The political history is different.
34:15I am talking about the political
34:17history as well as the
34:19historical history.
34:21Mosuf has himself said
34:23that he was a student.
34:25Mosuf has himself said
34:27that he was a student.
34:29He was a Mujahid.
34:31He was a student.
34:33He has himself said
34:35that he was a student.
34:37He is not translating
34:39what the Taliban
34:41have said.
34:43I do not think
34:45that he should
34:47listen to
34:49what Mosuf has said.
34:51Mosuf has said
34:53what Mosuf has said.
34:55Okay.
34:57His seriousness
34:59is that when he
35:01goes to the office
35:03people will come to his office and tell him that we want an amendment.
35:06He is responsible and he should tell us how many days he has spent in this mess.
35:12Sir, when he was talking, I said that there is a reason that things have elevated this time.
35:20I think there are two reasons.
35:23And he himself said that we are moving at a slow speed.
35:27Reason number one is that the political stakeholders of Pakhtunkhwa
35:34or the democratic or popular forces of Pakhtunkhwa
35:40have been badly placed in their homes by the state in this election.
35:48And a plastic government, which has been in our province for the past 12 years
35:54in the form of Parvez Ghatak, Mahmood Khan or Ali Amin Gandapur.
36:00Sir, this is your anger. You have lost the election. You don't agree.
36:03Well, we can talk about it. We can vent our anger.
36:06If we have anger, we come to these programs so that we can vent our anger.
36:11So, the public's trust is not in this government.
36:15Number two, they don't even have priorities.
36:20When there is a fire on the 21st,
36:26then in a few days, or on the same day, I think, they have the drama of Islamabad.
36:33What are the priorities?
36:36Today, I said this in the Senate as well.
36:39The priorities of the government are that they leave the fight there
36:45and say that the peace treaty has been signed and there is peace.
36:50And they come to Islamabad and there is a fire there.
36:53Forget about them.
36:55Why did Maulana Sahib say that we should not look at this from a Shia-Sunni angle?
37:00He said that we should not look at it. This is also not the reality.
37:04I told you that we will have to look at it from this angle.
37:09I told you that we will have to look at it from 50 different angles.
37:18This has happened every time.
37:21Why didn't they go so far?
37:23Every time, the government of the time went ahead and neutralized the issue.
37:32This time, that didn't happen.
37:37On the contrary, they closed the way immediately.
37:40So when they closed the way, then people like us, who in the past,
37:45my brother is a witness that whenever there were such issues,
37:48we have sent our delegations as political parties.
37:52And there are so many traditions there that they have accepted us and brought peace.
37:58Those ways are also closed.
38:01Sir, in 2008, you said that we should look at the situation.
38:09In 2008, there was terrorism.
38:13There were terrorists.
38:15There were Taliban.
38:17There were Mujahid.
38:19There were Khawarij.
38:21There were Fitna Khawarij.
38:23But when they were fighting against the state, it was 2008.
38:27And at that time, their first targets were these soft targets.
38:31And we all understand that it is a target to be maintained very easily.
38:36Today, the situation is the same.
38:39I have to take a break.
38:41After the break, there will be some time.
38:43We will try to find a solution for this.
38:47We know what the problem is.
38:49And I completely agree with Mr. Mahesh Rao that there were other agencies as well.
38:55The physical location of this agency is a very big difference.
39:00When you are surrounded by the arrows of Afghanistan,
39:03and you make a passage of terrorists,
39:05then you are meeting it with another agency.
39:08I think you are really taking your eyes off.
39:12Anyway, let's take a break.
39:13And let's see what the solution is.
39:15This will happen again and again after a few years.
39:18Welcome back to the show.
39:20Iftikhar Pehle, I was listening to you.
39:22You were saying that there is no big problem.
39:24How many people come from Afghanistan?
39:26You tell us that every other day, groups have come.
39:28Destruction has spread.
39:30You say that there are no people.
39:32You are killing each other.
39:34What is the possible solution?
39:36The first solution is de-weaponization, which will not happen.
39:40In my culture, there is a saying that
39:44it will not happen.
39:46It has been 17 years in my culture.
39:49This is the fourth time I am hearing about de-weaponization.
39:51Military operation?
39:53It will not happen.
39:55It is not visible from far.
39:57Military operation.
39:59I am also coming to you.
40:01There is a political solution for this.
40:03You know the political parties here.
40:05They will find a solution for you.
40:07Because this is a people's problem.
40:09But Mr. Malik, before we end this,
40:11it is important that
40:13the Syrian war is expanding.
40:15And now we can see the targets of the war in Pakistan.
40:20The Qorum has been used for water testing.
40:25What the future holds in 6 to 18 months.
40:27A lot of people will be free.
40:29Resources will also be free.
40:31It seems that it is going to cause a lot of problems.
40:33And this is only for water testing.
40:35How can our arteries choke on sectarian lines.
40:37Particularly with reference.
40:39We should be very scared in relation to Qorum.
40:41What will be the impact of this on Balochistan?
40:45What is the solution in your opinion?
40:47I think that this problem is.
40:49I think that this problem is.
40:51I think that this problem is.
40:53He is right.
40:55If we politicians go.
40:57Then we can bring peace in the world.
40:59We can agree on some things.
41:01But if we want to find a solution.
41:03But if we want to find a solution.
41:05Then we are the small people.
41:07Then we are the small people.
41:09There is no domestic issue here.
41:11There is no domestic issue here.
41:13This is not a matter of Pakistan.
41:15I say that the problem in Qorum if we decide
41:17I say that the problem in Qorum if we decide
41:19we have to deal with it.
41:21We need peace in Qorum.
41:23That is the ultimate motive.
41:25So Pakistan and the core of Pakistan.
41:27So Pakistan and the core of Pakistan.
41:29I wont say that Shahbaz Sharif.
41:31or Ali Amin should sit in it.
41:33Iran, Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan.
41:35Iran, Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan.
41:37We have to find a way out of these four elements.
41:44We have to get rid of our proxies.
41:46Because all of this is involved here.
41:49Therefore, until that involvement is over, this problem can never be solved.
41:56The issue is so serious that we cannot handle it in one program.
42:01But two things are very clear.
42:03The issue of Khurram is just the beginning.
42:08This is not just a domestic issue.
42:10There are proxies in Saudi Arabia, Iran and Afghanistan.
42:15And we have to look at it from this perspective.
42:18It will not work by sending three brigades of forces here.
42:21I totally agree with Mr. Iftikhar when he says to give space to the political party.
42:26As Mr. Ahmal is saying, you can set up temporary things at the local level.
42:30Structural reforms are very important.
42:32These problems can be solved.
42:34There is no such problem that can't be solved with a 132-year-old problem.
42:38But this is an international issue.
42:40All the forces are involved in this.
42:42This is the time for big decisions.
42:44It requires a lot of courage and a lot of vision.
42:47I think this is way above the paycheck of Khali Ali Meen Gandapur,
42:52or Baichar Saheb, or two or three local MPs.
42:55This is a problem above everyone's paycheck.
42:58But we should all understand.
43:00This is not a local issue.
43:02This is an international issue.
43:04I take your leave. Allah Hafiz.