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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, you are watching Khabar Lahariya, I am Muhammad Malik.
00:18Once again, a decision has been made, a £190 million case, which is also known as the Qadir
00:23University case of Imran Khan.
00:25The date given for the second time has been postponed.
00:29It has been said that the judge is on leave.
00:31The date has been given on 13th January.
00:34The case of Toshakhana 2 has been postponed to 8th January.
00:38But this punishment is very interesting.
00:40Imran Khan Sahib has given a statement from his official site.
00:45He has said that he knows that he is being put under pressure.
00:49In fact, he has demanded that the decision be made immediately.
00:52The government has to face embarrassment in the first case.
00:56Once again, there will be embarrassment.
00:58But a lot of questions are being raised.
01:00Why is it being postponed again and again?
01:02On the other hand, the talks were going on.
01:04But today, the PTI team was complaining that they were not allowed to meet Imran Khan Sahib.
01:09They had gone today as well.
01:11They did not meet.
01:13Now, there is hope that they will meet tomorrow.
01:15And they have already said that the return that they will demand,
01:18that will be our second meeting.
01:20If the government is so serious on the talks,
01:22then why are these strictness coming?
01:24Why are these decisions being delayed?
01:27There are all kinds of questions.
01:29But there is another interesting debate going on.
01:31When the news came out that Busha Bibi had met some people,
01:34and there were undeclared meetings,
01:36then there was a very strong reaction from the government,
01:38from various circles,
01:40and most of all from the party.
01:42Is this really such an unusual thing?
01:44When Zulfiqar-e-Bhutto Sahib's case was going on,
01:48did Nusrat Bhutto Sahib not meet?
01:50Did he not try?
01:52When Nawaz Sharif Sahib's case was going on,
01:55did Begum Kulsoom Nawaz not try for her release?
01:58This is a very natural thing.
02:00And the impression given in the talks
02:02that maybe Busha Bibi is meeting for a deal,
02:05this is not the case.
02:06In reality, in any negotiations,
02:08the matter is that the person who is talking is so powerful,
02:12and the person for whom he is talking,
02:14how much trust he enjoys.
02:16Is there anyone who is closer to Imran Khan than Busha Bibi?
02:20I don't think so.
02:22It is said that he has more trust in Imran Khan
02:26than his sisters.
02:28Does anyone enjoy such confidence?
02:30I don't think so.
02:32So if this is the case,
02:34then there is nothing unusual in this.
02:36The reaction that I got from the party insiders,
02:40they say that there is a reaction,
02:42who obviously don't talk on the record,
02:44that Ali Ameen Gandapur's level is less in this.
02:48Busha Bibi's and Ali Ameen Gandapur's differences
02:51have come out very openly in the last two days.
02:54And they have a cover,
02:56he is the Chief Minister,
02:58if he meets anyone,
03:00then the official duties are covered.
03:02But if Busha Bibi leads something,
03:04and has good results in the future,
03:06then what will happen to them?
03:08But the problem is that after Busha Bibi,
03:10the strongest personality in the party
03:12is Ali Ameen Gandapur.
03:14And no leader of the party
03:16can afford not to defend him publicly.
03:18And maybe that is why
03:20there is so much debate on this.
03:22But again, these things come out later.
03:24I was listening to Ijaz-ul-Haq yesterday,
03:26he is now a member of the negotiating committee,
03:28by the way.
03:30He said that before 2024,
03:32some people came and met Khan in jail.
03:34Officially, neither the party
03:36nor the establishment
03:38nor the government said anything.
03:40People met,
03:42the matter came out.
03:44These things will also be found out.
03:46But there is nothing wrong in it.
03:48But today, the future is looking
03:50very tough.
03:52Because after many days,
03:54Imran Khan has spoken
03:56in a very harsh tone today.
03:58A while ago, the statement
04:00was released from his ex-handle.
04:02In that, after a long time,
04:04he has again named the army chief
04:06and put it on his target.
04:08While speaking, he says that
04:10Zia-ul-Haq and Zia-ul-Khan
04:12were the worst
04:14martial laws of Pakistan's history.
04:16In which democracy was given a role.
04:18Musharraf was a liberal
04:20in this regard.
04:22But what is happening today can only be
04:24compared with the era of Zia-ul-Haq.
04:26What kind of a democracy is this
04:28in which the name of Pakistan's
04:30most acclaimed and big party chairman
04:32is banned on the media?
04:34But then he becomes even harsher.
04:36And he says,
04:38Shahbaz Sharif is only
04:40a puppet of General Asim Munir.
04:42More powerful than this,
04:44the Prime Minister was Shaukat Aziz
04:46in the Musharraf era.
04:48Because at least then,
04:50this level was not considered
04:52in the elections.
04:54Then there are other things.
04:56We have the same two demands.
04:58And this too, Al-Qadir said
05:00that this decision should be issued
05:02immediately.
05:04Then the rest is the same
05:06that we will do this, we will do that.
05:08But we saw a break in the middle.
05:10In which the personalities were removed.
05:12And in the negotiations
05:14and the contacts of the people
05:16there was one demand
05:18that you do not personalize
05:20this with the institutions.
05:22You do it with generalized criticism
05:24so that things can move forward.
05:26And we saw that the office of PTI
05:28also opened in Islamabad.
05:30Then we saw that people were also pardoned.
05:32Then some promises have been made
05:34that we will gradually leave people.
05:36We have seen progress in things there too.
05:38But now this hard statement
05:40has come.
05:42What does it mean that all the
05:44official or unofficial contacts
05:46have been terminated?
05:48Let's ask Sheikh Waqas Akram.
05:50He is with us.
05:52Peace be upon you, Sheikh Sahib.
05:54Peace be upon you too.
05:56Sheikh Sahib, have you stopped talking
05:58before it started?
06:00Yes, I have started.
06:02The committee was formed
06:04after the massacre of 26.
06:06Which happened due to
06:08article 245 of the Prime Minister.
06:10And we provided an opportunity
06:12for all stakeholders
06:14and concerned quarters
06:16that whoever wants to talk
06:18whether it is the government
06:20or the establishment approval
06:22or with the establishment
06:24whoever wants to talk
06:26should start talking.
06:28So, you saw the first meeting
06:30and saw the second one.
06:32What was to be kept
06:34was only that
06:36we thought there was no need
06:38to return anything.
06:40But other friends think
06:42that we need a return.
06:44So we said that we cannot go ahead
06:46without meeting Mr. Khan.
06:48On which they agreed.
06:50But unfortunately as we speak
06:52because the Speaker's office
06:54still facilitates
06:56discussions with the government
06:58regarding this discussion committee.
07:00So as we speak,
07:02we do not have any intimation
07:04from the Speaker's office
07:06regarding the meeting.
07:08Other than that,
07:10things are fine.
07:12I think what is meant is that
07:14the assessment will be done
07:16when the time
07:18for proper discussion
07:20will start.
07:22There will be discussion,
07:24points will be made
07:26and the discussion will continue.
07:28We will see after that.
07:30So, till now,
07:32I think that
07:34the day the negotiations started
07:36things were where they were.
07:38I do not see any change in that.
07:40No, I am asking you
07:42because the days matter
07:44because if there were open-ended negotiations
07:46then it would not have mattered
07:48for a week or two.
07:50January 31st is the deadline
07:52and what Aleema Bibi has said
07:54it is clear that the deadline
07:56is in place.
07:58The third week is still going on
08:00and you have not been able
08:02to formally present your demands.
08:04The meetings of the party
08:06and the negotiating committee
08:08are not happening.
08:10Is the government non-serious?
08:12What is the complicated issue?
08:14They could have met today or the day before.
08:16Do you have any intention?
08:18This is what I think.
08:20As you are saying
08:22that there is a need to assess the government's attitude.
08:24The reason for that is
08:26that our chief minister
08:28is sitting in the meeting
08:30of the negotiations.
08:32All the members of the committee
08:34are present.
08:36No one has time
08:38or need to
08:40go to a meeting
08:42just to click pictures or have tea.
08:44You know that our party's worker
08:46is also very charged
08:48so the party cannot afford
08:50to do this.
08:52I think that the seriousness of the party
08:54is present in its place
08:56and why not?
08:58If Imran Khan has made a committee
09:00and given this opportunity
09:02then that means he is serious.
09:04You can see how much
09:06he wants to take advantage
09:08of this opportunity.
09:10We asked him to meet
09:12and there is no issue
09:14but it is not possible without meeting.
09:16This is also our right.
09:18Last time we had a small, recorded meeting
09:20in a small room.
09:22This time if you have a detailed meeting
09:24then it does not matter.
09:26He agreed to it.
09:28If you can open a jail at 7 in the morning
09:30to delay a Jalsa
09:32then the day we request
09:34you can cancel the meeting.
09:36We will call you on the third day.
09:38We are seeing what he is doing.
09:42You have also used the word
09:44over and over again.
09:46Today, Aleema Bibi has also said
09:48that Imran Khan has said that
09:50people are still unaware.
09:52Why is he not raising his voice
09:54on this issue?
09:56He was quite unhappy about it.
09:58Then we saw that everyone remembered it.
10:00Salman Akhran Wajahat came out
10:02and said that the real issue is this
10:04and the rest are secondary issues.
10:06Suddenly that issue has been raised.
10:08This is the criticism of leadership.
10:10As far as I am concerned
10:12I get to interact
10:14with my brothers
10:16on a daily basis.
10:18If you see
10:20that for the past 10-12 days
10:22I have not raised this issue
10:24as a party.
10:26Obviously, that matters
10:28because I have the responsibility.
10:30I regularly say
10:32that as a party
10:34we need to
10:36work together
10:38and we need justice
10:40for the martyrs.
10:42We need justice for the prisoners.
10:44We need justice for the prisoners
10:46of 9th May.
10:48You have not been scolded.
10:50Those who have been scolded
10:52know that.
10:54I am not saying that you have been scolded.
10:56You have been forgiven.
10:58Sir, when I am saying
11:00the whole party is saying it.
11:02Tell me something.
11:04After a long time
11:06the issues are cooling down.
11:08On the other hand,
11:10CBMI has been punished.
11:12The party's office has been opened.
11:14There are indications
11:16that people should be given
11:18some bail.
11:20Dr. Yasmeen Rajchand
11:22has said
11:24and then Yaya Khan
11:26has said
11:28that the Prime Minister
11:30is their puppet.
11:32If such high pitched
11:34negotiations are going to happen
11:36which are not visible yet
11:38but if they are going to happen
11:40then the atmosphere will be bad.
11:42I think it is a clear message
11:44that Mr. Khan is convinced
11:46that the government is not trusted.
11:48Sir, the first thing is
11:50that the office was opened
11:523-4 months ago through a court order
11:54and our people also started going
11:56but it was not opened.
11:58Secondly, the issue of bail
12:00has been left open.
12:02If there is a court order
12:04then people are caught from outside
12:06and are picked up from there.
12:08You know about the pardons
12:10who were punished for almost 2 years.
12:12Those who have been punished for 2 years
12:14have been pardoned.
12:16If you want to build a case
12:18for the international media
12:20or international partners
12:22to respond to when the time comes
12:24and if the time comes
12:26that is your own strategy.
12:28But the thing is
12:30that Mr. Khan
12:32has been serious about the negotiations.
12:34The reason for that is
12:36that this committee was made by Mr. Khan.
12:38You know we were so strict outside
12:40that we used to say
12:42that we don't want to sit with the thieves
12:44and
12:46this is Form 47.
12:48It was such a strict matter
12:50and after the 26th strike
12:52we were not ready to listen to anything.
12:54But Mr. Khan was very generous
12:56and he himself made this committee
12:58and hand-picked the people
13:00in which he chose the people.
13:02I think this is Mr. Khan's seriousness.
13:04Even last week
13:06he mentioned
13:08that there is some kind of
13:10martial law type government
13:12and a dictatorial regime
13:14which is from this government.
13:16But what you are saying
13:18is absolutely right.
13:20I think that
13:22Mr. Imran Khan tolerated
13:24that he has been present
13:26for such a long time
13:28and today he was expecting
13:30that the decision will be made
13:32because we think that this is a case of freedom
13:34and there will be freedom in it.
13:36Though they have actually tried to make
13:38as funny as that Iddat case was
13:40but basically it is a case of freedom
13:42and the case has nothing to do with it.
13:44If it doesn't happen here,
13:46then it will go to the next court
13:48and the world will make a scene
13:50within Pakistan and out of Pakistan.
13:52No, no. Mr. Khan himself
13:54Sir, it is possible
13:56that Mr. Khan
13:58because Mr. Khan
14:00was expecting
14:02and Busha Bibi was also present
14:04from Peshawar
14:06so he was expecting that
14:08the decision will be made
14:10and when it didn't happen
14:12then the person
14:14is suffering
14:16from so many problems
14:18and you don't even make a decision
14:20and you delayed it last time
14:22and when a person gives a statement
14:24that's how he feels
14:26and he has always been feeling like that
14:28and you know that.
14:30No, no. Mr. Khan is a painfully blunt person
14:32and there is no doubt about that
14:34but there was a pattern
14:36and we saw that many weeks passed
14:38and Mr. Khan didn't personalize
14:40the establishment, the government
14:42and the other authorities
14:44and he used derogatory language
14:46after many weeks
14:48and he did it at a critical time
14:50I am just asking
14:52if you think that
14:54this is a temporary reaction
14:56or is it a clear indication
14:58that all these committees are playing
15:00and nobody expects anything
15:02No, no, sir. I don't think so
15:04because Mr. Khan
15:06along with Raja
15:08the progress of the committee
15:10and the things that have been going on
15:12Raja told us, then Ali Ameen
15:14and Bibi
15:16so all the things
15:18not as a committee
15:20but as a member of the committee
15:22like Salman Akram Rai
15:24so he tells us
15:26I don't think that
15:28the committee is playing
15:30I think that
15:32whatever you said
15:34about derogatory language
15:36he told the Prime Minister
15:38that
15:40whatever you said
15:42about PM
15:44that's how he feels about him
15:46so in this case
15:48whatever the Prime Minister has done
15:50with our people
15:52what does he expect from a man
15:54whose 13 party members
15:56have been martyred
15:58and you are not telling
16:00I think he should not be
16:02and no one needs to be there
16:04Tell me this
16:06what you people did last week
16:08I will say that you wasted it
16:10what was your interest in this
16:12what are the demands of the government
16:14you asked for a negotiation
16:16that you are ready to negotiate
16:18with us
16:20these are our demands
16:22you have been making the same demands
16:24for the last two weeks
16:26even Mr. Khan has made statements
16:28that these are our demands
16:30Ali Ma Khan has also said
16:32why don't you make demands
16:34why don't you make demands
16:36you feel that you are waiting
16:38for something else
16:40this is a very weak excuse
16:42this is a very weak excuse
16:44we were of the view
16:46that these are two simple things
16:48why are they even asking
16:50for a written challenge
16:52they said to formally submit
16:54which is the way of negotiation
16:56the way of negotiation is
16:58when the first two meetings
17:00have been conducted
17:02there has been a preliminary discussion
17:04you increase the minutes
17:06you decide the parties
17:08this is the way
17:10this is a very simple thing
17:12access is very important
17:14tomorrow these things will be written
17:16and tomorrow Mr. Khan
17:18will be angry with the committee
17:20that I didn't allow you to write
17:22you should have said something else
17:24it is not better to write it
17:26it is not better
17:28that we ask you or someone else
17:30or we ask
17:32BB or Ali Ma Khan
17:34because listen to the package
17:36all the big decisions
17:38that Gaur Khan
17:40or the other party chairman
17:42announced
17:44they are not the family
17:46when we say that they are involved
17:48in the party, you say it is wrong
17:50listen to the key decisions
17:52who is telling the people
17:54on 24th Imran Khan
17:56called for Islamabad
17:58he called his ticket holders
18:00he called each and every worker
18:02then he said
18:04I am telling the Pakistanis
18:06that this is one chance
18:08for you
18:10Khan has always said
18:12that I have never thought of taking revenge
18:14and I will never take revenge
18:16you people have to promise
18:18until Khan will not come
18:20between us
18:22you will not leave D-chowk
18:24and I promise you
18:26that I will not leave D-chowk
18:28without taking Khan
18:30Imran Khan has said
18:32that he has no intention
18:34Imran Khan has two demands
18:36one is to release the people
18:38who are in illegal detention
18:40and the second demand
18:42is to make a judicial commission
18:44and investigate on 9th May
18:46and 26th November
18:48he says that there is no indication
18:50that these demands
18:52want to talk about it
18:54that is why on Sunday
18:56the method of not sending
18:58remittances to Pakistan
19:00will be started
19:02there is no hindrance
19:04they will not go to the house arrest
19:06they will face their cases
19:08here and in the high court
19:10and they will be in jail
19:1224th November
19:14Ali Ma Khan
19:16Civil disobedience call
19:18Ali Ma Khan
19:20D-chowk decision
19:22Bushra Bibi
19:24to make the establishment believe
19:26that there will be no vengeance
19:28and if you say
19:30if you got the message
19:32wrong or not
19:34I am talking to you
19:36all the important decisions
19:38that Ali Ma Khan is announcing
19:40Bushra Bibi is announcing
19:42there is nothing wrong
19:44I genuinely feel
19:46that announcements should be made
19:48by those who enjoy trust
19:50there is a very general reason for it
19:52the general reason is that
19:54in the last three and a half months
19:56all political entities
19:58political leaders
20:00party officials
20:02are not allowed to meet
20:04despite the court orders
20:06their sisters have been
20:08accessed regularly
20:10on a daily basis
20:12on the day of meeting
20:14there are court proceedings
20:16Bushra Bibi is co-accused
20:18she goes for court proceedings
20:20then family
20:22on the day of meeting
20:24she has access
20:26and if Khan
20:28is not able to send a message
20:30through her
20:32then through whom?
20:34with all due respect
20:36your chairman Gaur Khan
20:38your secretary general
20:40Salman Akram Raja
20:42both as lawyers
20:44meet him regularly
20:46if not as a delegation
20:48but as lawyers
20:50if he had to give a message
20:52or if he thought that
20:54maybe that is why they come
20:56you are saying that
20:58you are not allowed to meet
21:00many others are not allowed
21:02but Gaur Khan, chairman
21:04and secretary general
21:06both are lawyers, both meet regularly
21:08so this does not hold water
21:10it is possible that
21:12Gaur Khan is not able to
21:14give a soft message
21:16maybe that is why
21:18they have kept him
21:20Tiffin tell me
21:22who will you send to
21:24whom you do not take seriously
21:26or whom you trust
21:28let me ask one more question
21:30in your opinion
21:32is Imran Khan more confident
21:34than Bushra Bibi?
21:36in your opinion
21:38I think that
21:40Imran Khan
21:42gave a very clear statement last week
21:44he presented his MRAs and MPAs
21:46and he said
21:48my workers are my pride
21:50and I have complete confidence
21:52in my leadership and my responsibilities
21:54and obviously our leader
21:56his words mean a lot to us
21:58Bushra Bibi is his wife
22:00and the kind of relationship they have
22:02she is co-accused
22:04she was in jail with him
22:06and husband and wife
22:08have a bond
22:10I do not think
22:12that the relationship
22:14and the confidence of a husband and wife
22:16cannot be like that
22:18as far as the party is concerned
22:20they have repeatedly
22:22expressed confidence in their party
22:24although
22:26they have repeatedly tried
22:28to undermine the leadership
22:30which is present outside
22:32but Imran Khan
22:34has always said
22:36do not do anything
22:38there is no second question
22:40between Imran Khan and his workers
22:42that your worker is a great worker
22:44he is standing even after being beaten
22:46but the question is
22:48how much confidence
22:50does your party have in them
22:52for example
22:54on 24th
22:56there was a meeting
22:58in Peshawar
23:00did you hear
23:02what Salman Akram said
23:04in that meeting
23:06did you hear what he said
23:08in that meeting
23:10in that meeting
23:12when Bushra Bibi
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26:30When we take a break, we remember what happened.
26:32That's all
26:34Thank you so much Sheikh Bakaar
26:36for giving us a chance
26:38Hope it goes well
26:40and I have to look out
26:42what is going on
26:44It can be easily seen
26:46that Khan Qazi spoke very piercingly
26:48and that has enlightened
26:50everyone about what is to come
26:52So let's take a break
26:54and later talk about politics
27:00Welcome back to the show, I am Fawad Chaudhary and I am joined by Javed Lateef.
27:09Fawad sir, thank you very much for joining us.
27:12You always talk about negotiations, everything should be done.
27:16Today, Khan sir has blown it again.
27:19He has said that General Asim Muneer is a puppet and a traitor.
27:26He has also said that Yaya Khan is the worst martial lawyer in the country.
27:31He has also said that the same thing is happening in the country.
27:34He has again equated it.
27:35After many weeks, he has taken the name and has been directed.
27:38Now, there are two scenarios.
27:41One is that he has no hope that the negotiations will fail.
27:47The second is that he may not be able to keep me in jail.
27:52On a high note, what is the need for me to talk to him?
27:56Which possibility is more?
27:58The anger of frustration or the confidence that he can't keep me in jail?
28:03Khawaja has said in a show that he may not be interested from 20th to 30th January.
28:09Whether the negotiations will work or not.
28:11Khawaja has said that he is not interested from 20th to 30th January.
28:15He will see what Trump does.
28:17After that, he will see if there is a need for negotiations or not.
28:20Richard Grenell has also become quiet.
28:22Earlier, he used to talk a lot.
28:23Now, he has become quiet.
28:25I think Richard Grenell has been told not to talk till 20th January.
28:29Now, let's see what happens after 20th January.
28:34But, let me tell you that Imran Khan is also on a very tight leash.
28:38The issue with him is that when a deal is made, he does not afford it.
28:43And he will never become Shahbaz Sharif.
28:46But, you also know him.
28:47The word deal has become a bad name.
28:49Negotiations are also a deal.
28:51You are also sitting at the table and making a deal.
28:53I am saying that engagement is also a deal.
28:56But, here it has become negative.
28:57Politicians will not climb mountains with guns.
29:00They will not talk.
29:01Ultimately, what will they do?
29:03So, the first thing is that I have said in your program that
29:08first of all, why are the negotiations taking place?
29:11Negotiations are taking place because for two years,
29:14the government and the establishment have been trying to
29:19bring down Imran Khan.
29:21Both the wrestlers have been tired of fighting.
29:24Now, this is a strategic retreat or a serious effort.
29:29We have to find out what it is.
29:31But, the situation at the moment is that
29:34without Imran Khan, there is no political stability in Pakistan.
29:39Secondly, the situation in Pakistan is internal and external.
29:45We talk about it every day.
29:47So, on the other hand, international pressure is also there.
29:52On one hand, the PTI that happened on 26th or the first one,
29:57you could not make Bangladesh like that.
30:01On the other hand, the problem of the government is that
30:04the international pressure is increasing.
30:07In my opinion, the second conviction from the military court
30:11is that the government and the establishment
30:15did not think about it.
30:18When there is a reaction on the first one,
30:21there will be a reaction on the second one.
30:23So, they did not think about it and went ahead with it.
30:26They say that the military trials are within the ambit of law.
30:35So, we do not care.
30:37And if the PTI ruled in their favor,
30:40then the problem will be solved.
30:42The international pressure will be solved.
30:44But, there is no international status of the PTI in Pakistan.
30:48People take it as a joke after the 26th amendment.
30:53I think that the international has a fig leaf.
30:57No, I do not think so.
30:59Otherwise, there would not be a reaction on the military court
31:02if there were such things in the courts.
31:04The caucus of Pakistan in the United States
31:08has 12 congressmen.
31:12But, the resolution for Imran Khan has come from a two-third majority.
31:16So, the pressure of the Pakistani diaspora on the Congress
31:21and the pressure of the Congress on the administration
31:24and when Trump comes, the situation changes.
31:27The British government has already said this.
31:30The European Union has already said this.
31:32So, there is a fig leaf on which they are walking.
31:35So, the government must have been thinking about this.
31:38Apparently, they are hoping that the Arab bloc
31:42will go against Imran Khan so much
31:45that they will tell Trump not to help him.
31:48The Prime Minister has met with Mohammed bin Salman five times.
31:52See, this is the effort.
31:54On the face of it, the Arab bloc has not yet given a statement
31:57in support of Imran Khan.
31:59But, to be fair with him, they have not given a statement against him.
32:01So, we do not know where the world politics vis-à-vis Pakistan
32:05will be balanced.
32:07And, I think, more than Mr. Khawaja Asif's statement today,
32:12the government does not know where this balance will be.
32:15So, the government is afraid that…
32:18See, it is a matter of time.
32:20We took a stand on the Atomic Programme.
32:22We took out some time.
32:24This is a different matter.
32:25Six months later, we will be done.
32:27But, at this time, the problem of Pakistan is that
32:30we are not in a position to take any pressure.
32:33Even if our IMF programme is delayed…
32:36Well, the government will find out.
32:38They will say, we will take it, we will do this, we will do that.
32:41I am saying, at such a delicate point,
32:44after a long time, when Mr. Khan directly takes the name
32:47and does it again, upping the ante, as we say in English,
32:50why is that at this time?
32:52I had asked you this question in the beginning.
32:54So, you have spoken.
32:55There is weight in this.
32:56I think, there is a possibility that
32:58when I met Mr. Khan 2-3 weeks ago,
33:02his confidence level is completely different.
33:05And he doesn't seem to be down at all.
33:10He doesn't seem to be worried at all.
33:14So, the issue is that, what you have said,
33:17in all likelihood, he understands.
33:20Because, a person makes decisions based on his own estimates,
33:23based on his own assessment.
33:25Mr. Khan's assessment is that you cannot keep me in jail.
33:29And I agree with you that this could be a reason.
33:32But, apart from negotiations, is there any other way?
33:36I mean, let's say, other people will come,
33:38they will come out of the jails.
33:40If they come, the power equation will not be upside down.
33:43If Yasmin Rashid Sahiba comes out,
33:45if the rest of the people come out,
33:47it will make a difference in their lives,
33:49it will not make a difference in the government's lives.
33:51How do you allow Mr. Khan to come out?
33:54There are only two ways for him to come out.
33:56Either he can win all the legal cases,
33:58or he can stop them.
34:00Now, the decision of this case is also hanging.
34:02Now, it has gone to 13.
34:03I don't know if there is a decision on 13,
34:04of 190 million pounds.
34:05Well, that is also fine.
34:06Then, we are hearing about the military trial.
34:08And that too, has to be done seriously,
34:10as far as the information is concerned.
34:12So, we will be stuck in the legal process.
34:14But, the reaction that has come on the military trial,
34:18the youngsters who were there,
34:21the reaction that has come on them,
34:23if Imran Khan has a military trial after that,
34:25it will be a blessing in disguise.
34:28But, it will happen only when the INA Bench
34:30will try to do it.
34:32Sir, don't give any importance to the INA Bench.
34:34There is no status of the decisions of the INA Bench.
34:37You see, there is credibility,
34:39there is the credibility of the courts,
34:41on their trust.
34:42I spoke to two of my European ambassadors,
34:45and I asked them the same question.
34:47I said, if this is the Constitutional Bench,
34:50they don't know who the judges are,
34:52you and I know who the judges are.
34:54This is your misunderstanding,
34:55that's why they don't know.
34:56Then, they don't know as much as we do.
34:58We don't know who the judge's father-in-law is,
35:01where his brother-in-law is,
35:02we know everything.
35:03So, I asked them a question.
35:04I said, if the Supreme Court's INA Bench
35:06tries to do it,
35:08they said, then it's a different story altogether.
35:11These are the lines that have come.
35:13They see it as a plus or minus.
35:15So, I think Imran Khan will get a trial decision
35:18only when the INA Bench decides.
35:20I don't know.
35:21Frankly, Supreme Court had given a decision
35:23on Akhil Bhushan Jadhav as well.
35:25In our country, this was the case
35:27with all the courts.
35:28And, no one touched him.
35:30But, the International Court
35:32declared him as a black sheep.
35:34Now, the problem is that
35:35Imran Khan's military trial
35:37means that we don't care
35:39about the international opinion.
35:41It will be a headline
35:42from the New York Times
35:43to Telegraph and Guardian.
35:46So, in Pakistan,
35:49So, if the choice is that
35:51Imran Khan comes out
35:53and the whole system is reversed
35:55and the future of the guarantors
35:57is also in danger.
35:59They keep saying that
36:01there will be no revenge.
36:03But, no one is satisfied.
36:06So, will I make a big decision
36:08based on my survival
36:10or will I make a big decision
36:12based on what the world thinks about me?
36:14But, if survival is in danger
36:15on both sides,
36:16then what will happen?
36:17The real failure of the government
36:21is that in two years,
36:23you couldn't give a political answer
36:26to Imran Khan's question.
36:28If you could give a political answer,
36:30they would have shut down the internet
36:32and everything.
36:33Otherwise, what is this?
36:34We can't say this,
36:35you also don't say this.
36:36This is what we say.
36:38So, either there would have been a solution.
36:41There is no solution.
36:43Now, the problem is that
36:45Imran Khan's politics in Pakistan
36:49is not able to settle down.
36:51So, after the election,
36:53it is not able to settle down.
36:55So, the question is that
36:56you have to find a middle way.
36:58You also have to think
36:59about what to give and what to do.
37:01One thing is that,
37:02as Reema Bibi has said,
37:03first she said,
37:04go for two years,
37:05then she said,
37:06go for six months.
37:08Now, what is the dilemma of Imran Khan?
37:10Imran Khan has been imprisoned
37:12for 16-17 months.
37:13He is in jail.
37:14He doesn't want to give any impression
37:16that he is coming out after a deal.
37:18But his problem is that
37:20this impression is that
37:21Imran Khan is coming out after a deal.
37:23And Imran Khan's dilemma is that
37:25he can't give this impression
37:26that he is coming out after a deal.
37:28I think someone has to agree
37:29that Imran Khan is coming out after a deal.
37:30Anyway, let's take a break.
37:31After the break,
37:32I want to ask you something.
37:33What are these negotiations?
37:35Is this a cap drama
37:37or is there any merit in this?
37:38Is there any possibility?
37:39After the break.
37:45Welcome back to the show.
37:48These negotiations that are going on,
37:50what are your expectations?
37:53See, the thing is that
37:56the negotiations are…
37:59First of all,
38:00obviously,
38:01they say that
38:02nothing is happening in the background
38:03and this is not happening.
38:04But obviously,
38:05even if it is happening in the background,
38:06the media will not tell
38:08whether it is happening in the background
38:09or not.
38:10But the question is…
38:11Sir, if something happens in the background,
38:12the foreground meeting starts, right?
38:14I mean, basically…
38:15It is not happening all of a sudden.
38:16All of a sudden,
38:17there is a tap.
38:18Come on, let's sit down and talk.
38:19The background talks reach here.
38:20Basically,
38:21you see,
38:22the statements of Irfan Siddiqui
38:23after 1926
38:24or the statements of
38:25Maryam Nawaz Sahiba
38:26of PMLN
38:27that this is corruption,
38:28we should not sit with them,
38:29we should not do this,
38:30we should not do that.
38:31And from here,
38:32they were also saying
38:33that with the government,
38:34they are free,
38:35why should we sit with them?
38:36So, after all,
38:37those who are sitting,
38:38they are also not
38:39as a result of any negotiation.
38:40They are sitting
38:41as it is.
38:42So,
38:43in my opinion,
38:44this meeting
38:45which has not happened yet,
38:46let's see
38:47that the meeting
38:48happens tomorrow.
38:49On one hand,
38:50the positives are
38:51that
38:52this decision
38:53is not coming.
38:54This means
38:55that
38:56it is being used
38:57for political bargaining.
38:58Look,
38:59Khan sir has said
39:00that
39:01he is hanging a sword
39:02like this,
39:03listen to the decision.
39:04Khan sir
39:05has also said that.
39:06But anyway,
39:07that is one thing.
39:08Then,
39:09there have been
39:102-3 incidents.
39:11In Islamabad,
39:12the secretariat
39:13of PTI has opened.
39:14After that,
39:15300-400 people
39:16have been released.
39:17The worker
39:18who was arrested.
39:19After that,
39:20this overall
39:21activity
39:22which PTI
39:23has done
39:24this week.
39:25As a party,
39:26the hand has been
39:27lightened.
39:28As a party,
39:29the hand has been
39:30lightened.
39:31And from that,
39:32the temperature
39:33has definitely
39:34come down.
39:35Now,
39:36tomorrow,
39:37the government
39:38will give permission
39:39and the team
39:40will meet.
39:41And after that,
39:42they will sit
39:43with the government
39:44and the temperature
39:45will come down.
39:46Now,
39:47let's see
39:48that,
39:49the demands
39:50of Khan sir
39:51are not very big.
39:52His demands are
39:53to release
39:54our political
39:55prisoners
39:56and make
39:57a judicial
39:58commission.
39:59So,
40:00I don't think
40:01the government
40:02has any problem
40:03with this.
40:04Why is the government
40:05adjusting
40:06to this
40:07situation?
40:08Because,
40:09if Vursa
40:10comes there
40:11and all the
40:12stories
40:13come there
40:14which will
40:15come in
40:16the public
40:17record,
40:18then there
40:19will be a
40:20problem.
40:21Although,
40:22things are not
40:23open.
40:24Tell me one
40:25thing,
40:26I asked
40:27this question
40:28to Sheikh
40:29Waqas,
40:30then it
40:31was left
40:32out.
40:33PTI
40:34has not
40:35come
40:36yet.
40:37So,
40:38I
40:39don't
40:40think
40:41the
40:42government
40:43has any
40:44problem
40:45with this.
40:46I
40:47don't
40:48think
40:49the
40:50government
40:51has any
40:52problem
40:53with this.
40:54I
40:55don't
40:56think
40:57the
40:58government
40:59has any
41:00problem
41:01with this.
41:02I
41:03don't
41:04think
41:05the
41:06government
41:07has any
41:08problem
41:09with this.
41:10I
41:11don't
41:12think
41:13the
41:14government
41:15has any
41:16problem
41:17with this.
41:18I
41:19don't
41:20think
41:21the
41:22government
41:23has any
41:24problem
41:25with this.
41:26I
41:27don't
41:28think
41:29the
41:30government
41:31has any
41:32problem
41:33with
41:34this.
42:04I
42:05don't
42:06think
42:07the
42:08government
42:09has any
42:10problem
42:11with this.
42:12I
42:13don't
42:14think
42:15the
42:16government
42:17has any
42:18problem
42:19with this.
42:20I
42:21don't
42:22think
42:23the
42:24government
42:25has any
42:26problem
42:27with this.
42:28I
42:29don't
42:30think
42:31the
42:32government
42:33has any
42:34problem
42:35with this.
42:36I
42:37don't
42:38think
42:39the
42:40government
42:41has any
42:42problem
42:43with this.
42:44I
42:45don't
42:46think
42:47the
42:48government
42:49has any
42:50problem
42:51with this.
42:52I
42:53don't
42:54think
42:55the
42:56government
42:57has any
42:58problem
42:59with this.
43:00I
43:01don't
43:02think
43:03the
43:04government
43:05has any
43:06problem
43:07with this.
43:08I
43:09don't
43:10think
43:11the
43:12government
43:13has any
43:14problem
43:15with this.
43:16I
43:17don't
43:18think
43:19the
43:20government
43:21has any
43:22problem
43:23with this.
43:24I
43:25don't
43:26think
43:27the
43:28government
43:29has any
43:30problem
43:31with this.
44:01I
44:02don't
44:03think
44:04the
44:05government
44:06has any
44:07problem
44:08with this.
44:31I
44:32don't
44:33think
44:34the
44:35government
44:36has any
44:37problem
44:38with this.
44:39I
44:40don't
44:41think
44:42the
44:43government
44:44has any
44:45problem
44:46with this.
44:47I
44:48don't
44:49think
44:50the
44:51government
44:52has any
44:53problem
44:54with this.
44:55I
44:56don't
44:57think
44:58the
45:00government
45:01has any
45:02problem
45:03with this.
45:04I
45:05don't
45:06think
45:07the
45:08government
45:09has any
45:10problem
45:11with this.
45:12I
45:13don't
45:14think
45:15the
45:16government
45:17has any
45:18problem
45:19with this.
45:20I
45:21don't
45:22think
45:23the
45:24government
45:25has any
45:26problem
45:27with this.
45:28I
45:29don't
45:30think
45:31the
45:32government
45:33has any
45:34problem
45:35with this.
45:36I
45:37don't
45:38think
45:39the
45:40government
45:41has any
45:42problem
45:43with this.
45:44I
45:45don't
45:46think
45:47the
45:48government
45:49has any
45:50problem
45:51with this.
45:52I
45:53don't
45:54think
45:55the
45:56government
45:57has any
45:58problem
45:59with this.
46:28I
46:29don't
46:30think
46:31the
46:32government
46:33has any
46:34problem
46:35with this.
46:36I
46:37don't
46:38think
46:39the
46:40government
46:41has any
46:42problem
46:43with this.
46:44I
46:45don't
46:46think
46:47the
46:48government
46:49has any
46:50problem
46:51with this.
46:52I
46:53don't
46:54think
46:55the
46:57government
46:58has any
46:59problem
47:00with this.
47:01I
47:02don't
47:03think
47:04the
47:05government
47:06has any
47:07problem
47:08with this.
47:09I
47:10don't
47:11think
47:12the
47:13government
47:14has any
47:15problem
47:16with this.
47:17I
47:18don't
47:19think
47:20the
47:21government
47:22has any
47:23problem
47:24with this.