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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, you are watching Khabar Lahariya, I am Muhammad Malik.
00:17A lot is happening today.
00:18First of all, Maulana Fazl-ur-Rehman has given a very interesting speech, I will read the
00:25excerpts from it.
00:26He has given a very interesting speech, I will read the excerpts from it.
00:31He has given a very interesting speech, I will read the excerpts from it.
00:36He has given a very interesting speech, I will read the excerpts from it.
00:41He has given a very interesting speech, I will read the excerpts from it.
00:46He has given a very interesting speech, I will read the excerpts from it.
00:51He has given a very interesting speech, I will read the excerpts from it.
00:56He has given a very interesting speech, I will read the excerpts from it.
01:01He has given a very interesting speech, I will read the excerpts from it.
01:06He has given a very interesting speech, I will read the excerpts from it.
01:11He has given a very interesting speech, I will read the excerpts from it.
01:16He has given a very interesting speech, I will read the excerpts from it.
01:21He has given a very interesting speech, I will read the excerpts from it.
01:26He has given a very interesting speech, I will read the excerpts from it.
01:31He has given a very interesting speech, I will read the excerpts from it.
01:36He has given a very interesting speech, I will read the excerpts from it.
01:41He has given a very interesting speech, I will read the excerpts from it.
01:46He has given a very interesting speech, I will read the excerpts from it.
01:51He has given a very interesting speech, I will read the excerpts from it.
01:56He has given a very interesting speech, I will read the excerpts from it.
02:01He has given a very interesting speech, I will read the excerpts from it.
02:06He has given a very interesting speech, I will read the excerpts from it.
02:11He has given a very interesting speech, I will read the excerpts from it.
02:16He has given a very interesting speech, I will read the excerpts from it.
02:21He has given a very interesting speech, I will read the excerpts from it.
02:26He has given a very interesting speech, I will read the excerpts from it.
02:31He has given a very interesting speech, I will read the excerpts from it.
02:36He has given a very interesting speech, I will read the excerpts from it.
02:41He has given a very interesting speech, I will read the excerpts from it.
02:46He has given a very interesting speech, I will read the excerpts from it.
02:51He has given a very interesting speech, I will read the excerpts from it.
02:56He has given a very interesting speech, I will read the excerpts from it.
03:01He has given a very interesting speech, I will read the excerpts from it.
03:06He has given a very interesting speech, I will read the excerpts from it.
03:11He has given a very interesting speech, I will read the excerpts from it.
03:16He has given a very interesting speech, I will read the excerpts from it.
03:21He has given a very interesting speech, I will read the excerpts from it.
03:26He has given a very interesting speech, I will read the excerpts from it.
03:31He has given a very interesting speech, I will read the excerpts from it.
03:36He has given a very interesting speech, I will read the excerpts from it.
03:41He has given a very interesting speech, I will read the excerpts from it.
03:46He has given a very interesting speech, I will read the excerpts from it.
03:51He has given a very interesting speech, I will read the excerpts from it.
03:56He has given a very interesting speech, I will read the excerpts from it.
04:01He has given a very interesting speech, I will read the excerpts from it.
04:06He has given a very interesting speech, I will read the excerpts from it.
04:11He has given a very interesting speech, I will read the excerpts from it.
04:16He has given a very interesting speech, I will read the excerpts from it.
04:21He has given a very interesting speech, I will read the excerpts from it.
04:26He has given a very interesting speech, I will read the excerpts from it.
04:31He has given a very interesting speech, I will read the excerpts from it.
04:36The law will be passed, all the country will be safe.
04:41The whole country will be safe if it will be in your hands.
04:44You are making a law, for whom you are making it?
04:48If you see, why you are so worried?
04:52Take the example of Balochistan.
04:54In Balochistan, the situation is really bad.
04:57There, separatists have also become active.
05:00Smugglers have also become active.
05:02But what is happening there?
05:04Karohi sahib, who is also a minister in that cabinet,
05:07he got a hint from Karachi.
05:09His close people claim that they have a lot of support from Zardari sahib.
05:13He is in the process of becoming the Chief Minister.
05:15His wife is also a Senator.
05:17His sister has also become a Senator.
05:19I don't know at what level these Senators become whatever.
05:23But this war is going on there.
05:25We should be thankful to Sir Faraz Bukhti sahib that he has a lot of support
05:29from the military institutions, Islamabad, that's why it is going on there.
05:33There is also a power tussle going on there.
05:35If you look at the situation in Sindh,
05:37the late Jamil-ul-Zaman sahib,
05:39he is from a die-hard People's Party.
05:41He is also a MNA.
05:43His entire family is from the People's Party.
05:45Today he was appealing to the Army Chief
05:47to come here and end our decades because the situation is not good.
05:51And the situation is bad.
05:53If you enter Punjab,
05:55there are no dacoits there.
05:57When 11 police officers were killed,
05:59we saw a lot of drama.
06:01There are a lot of cars coming.
06:03Even today that no-go area is being built.
06:05In Kurram,
06:07today again a caravan returned.
06:09There was a firing.
06:11A driver was injured.
06:13It was a caravan of 65-70 trucks.
06:15It returned.
06:17Many months have passed in Kurram.
06:19Even that is a no-go area.
06:21In Azad Kashmir,
06:23there is a Public Citizen Committee.
06:25Whatever they want,
06:27they close the road.
06:29Even in GB,
06:31the situation is bad.
06:33All this is happening.
06:35And what are we stuck in?
06:37I will start with you.
06:39In fact,
06:41one thing that he did not run,
06:43he said that
06:45all these decisions
06:47and policies
06:49are made by someone else
06:51and only the government
06:53puts a thumbprint on it.
06:55Will the country be able to run like this?
06:57Thank you very much.
06:59But first of all,
07:01I will start with your question.
07:03Today, Mr. Hamid Mir asked me a question.
07:05He said that he will not take the names
07:07of the ministers.
07:09He said that we do not know anything.
07:11Because we were also present in the Senate.
07:13I was also present in the Senate.
07:15And what you said that
07:17there are many other places.
07:19This is very unlawful.
07:21The unlawful thing is that
07:23the government should own
07:25the operation.
07:27We do not know anything.
07:29We did it. Everyone knows everything.
07:31Everyone is a part of it.
07:33Everyone consults.
07:35Everyone meets lawyers.
07:37Everyone meets reporters.
07:39Decisions are made.
07:41It is passed in the committee.
07:43Our brother's party also endorses it in the committee.
07:45And everything works.
07:47Then we will say later that
07:49this is done by the establishment.
07:51It is done in closed rooms.
07:53And if we do not pick up,
07:55then we cannot move forward with this impression.
07:57I am talking very categorically and bluntly.
07:59That's why people feel bad.
08:01Now I am going to tell you
08:03something in this way
08:05that I have never mentioned anywhere.
08:07Because this issue is increasing
08:09that if there is a fight with the wife,
08:11then the establishment did it.
08:13When the coffee was cold,
08:15then the establishment did it.
08:17This nonsense should stop now.
08:19If you want to own the government,
08:21then you should stand up.
08:23This is not the impression that
08:25we do not know.
08:27The minister calls and says
08:29that this happened with this person.
08:31We do not know.
08:33We do not know.
08:35If we do not know,
08:37then close the parliament.
08:39What is the issue?
08:41When this regime was changing,
08:43the army,
08:45listen to this very categorically,
08:47it is very important for you.
08:49The plan of complete martial law
08:51has been put in place.
08:53General Bajwa and company.
08:55And with the divine help,
08:57with the help of Allah,
08:59we have tried to stop
09:01the chief of army,
09:03General Asim Ali,
09:05in every way possible.
09:07He came with the help of Allah.
09:09When he came,
09:11you say that he is against PTI.
09:13When he came,
09:15there was a plate of martial law
09:17lying with him.
09:19Because he made it.
09:21Allah made him sit on the chair.
09:23He had martial law in the plate.
09:25If he had any hatred
09:27or anything
09:29that political people
09:31show,
09:33then he would have taken
09:35the martial law
09:37that he got in the plate
09:39and tolerated it and
09:41no one's father would have done anything.
09:43The same person,
09:45General Asim Ali,
09:47the honest Hafiz-e-Quran,
09:49gave priority to democracy.
09:51He let democracy
09:53move forward.
09:55Otherwise, it was very easy for him.
09:57If he wanted to take revenge,
09:59he would have given a better chance.
10:01He was not taking martial law himself.
10:03When I came,
10:05the coffee was ready for me.
10:07I sat on this chair.
10:09He said,
10:11this coffee is ours.
10:13It is very unlawful
10:15that you give sacrifices to the army,
10:17go to the closed rooms of the army
10:19and ask for forgiveness,
10:21go out and abuse,
10:23compromise,
10:25conspire to break the country,
10:27conspire to sell the country,
10:29play the game of democracy
10:31in the democratic system of the country,
10:33give sacrifices and blood
10:35and abuse the army.
10:37Tell me two things.
10:39One is that this is the reality
10:41and why are you giving sacrifices?
10:43We don't know.
10:45Secondly,
10:47if Mr. Bajwa was ready to take martial law,
10:49why didn't he?
10:51No one takes martial law for anyone.
10:53If you have a plate for yourself,
10:55you will eat on your own.
10:57Listen to me.
10:59One thing is divine.
11:01Man proposes, God fulfills.
11:03It didn't happen by chance.
11:05Do you think that
11:07Faiz Ameed,
11:09didn't he benefit
11:11from all this chaos?
11:13Imran Khan was shot.
11:15All this drama happened.
11:17Was this happening for the democracy of Pakistan?
11:19To stop the chief.
11:21This was the last step to take martial law.
11:23Hold on.
11:25You are saying that
11:27Faiz Ameed shot Imran Khan.
11:29I am not saying anything.
11:31When the time comes, I will tell you everything.
11:33What I understand from what you are saying
11:35is that he shot Imran Khan
11:37so that he intervenes.
11:39So that he gets a share.
11:41I won't leave your intellect.
11:43I will only talk about
11:45what I have done for Pakistan.
11:47One man has shown Pakistan's symbol.
11:49Chief of Army.
11:51Pakistan first, politics later.
11:53Government is irrelevant for me.
11:55A is irrelevant, B, C is also irrelevant.
11:57Government is irrelevant
11:59when you say that you are working for Pakistan.
12:01When you are working for Pakistan,
12:03you are giving the benefit of billions.
12:05Government is not like that.
12:07I don't have any love loss with Noon League.
12:09But if I am working so much for my opportunity
12:11and it goes to waste,
12:13then I don't think it is PMI government.
12:15I think it is for Pakistan.
12:17Because the chief gave direction to Pakistan first.
12:19When you are talking about this regime,
12:21I won't talk to you before time
12:23because all these things are yet to be revealed.
12:25It is not like that.
12:27Why is the army allowing this?
12:29It is not allowing.
12:31What is the biggest drawback of the army?
12:33It is behind the curtain.
12:35It doesn't come to the tables like us politicians.
12:37It doesn't come to the talk shows.
12:39We take advantage of that.
12:41These political parties,
12:43politically,
12:45give political impression.
12:47Sir, I am not saying what I am saying.
12:49I got the message.
12:51Someone stopped me outside.
12:53They took me at gunpoint.
12:55They took my child.
12:57They tortured me.
12:59All these compromised people,
13:01who are great leaders,
13:03the dead bodies you have been dragging
13:05for the past 75 years,
13:07they have not given anything to Pakistan.
13:09Let's get Taimur Jagda in it also.
13:11Taimur sir,
13:13you people are talking weird.
13:15They are saying that
13:17they are worried about democracy
13:19and you people are sitting as individuals
13:21just like Imran Khan and
13:23Aamir Chief.
13:25By the way, Faisal has mentioned 75 years.
13:27In 75 years,
13:29no, 34 or 35 years,
13:31fortunately, that is directly of the government.
13:33Rest,
13:3510 years of a party or 5 years of a party.
13:37I think,
13:39the responsibility of 34 or 35 years
13:41should be taken directly.
13:43That's the first thing.
13:45The second thing,
13:47which I found
13:49interesting,
13:51is this and
13:53I agree with this.
13:55You and I both know that
13:57if you meet a person of PMLN,
13:59he will say behind the curtain
14:01that we have nothing in our hands.
14:03The candidate of PMLN
14:05against me was standing in Peshawar
14:07and he said that we don't even know
14:09who he is in Peshawar.
14:11We were told to give him the ticket.
14:13We gave him.
14:15These are the mainstream leaders of PMLN.
14:17That was not the case for you also.
14:19At that time, Khan sir used to say that
14:21I have all the power.
14:23When he left, he said that
14:25I have all the power.
14:27Did you also genuinely
14:29put allegations
14:31or were you also helpless?
14:33Khan sir has himself
14:35admitted some things.
14:37I have not seen so much interference in KP.
14:39To be very honest,
14:41in those 5 years,
14:43there was a role of the army in the matter of FATA.
14:45I was there.
14:47What can I deny you?
14:49The role of the intelligence agencies
14:51in Imran Khan's government,
14:53they themselves admitted
14:55that this is not something we do again.
14:57But what you have said,
14:59this is not the time
15:01to move ahead.
15:03Do you remember one thing?
15:05Nawaz Sharif used to say
15:07that I will not take a dictation.
15:09Cut it now.
15:11No, he said that I will not take a dictation.
15:13He did not say that I will not take a deal.
15:15Now you have taken a deal
15:17and a dictation.
15:19But tell me,
15:21let me go to Aqeel Malik.
15:23Tell me,
15:25you have given a call for a new investigation.
15:27We have seen calls before
15:29and after 25th November,
15:31we have seen
15:33that your back is broken.
15:35The condition of your party is
15:37that they are hugging each other.
15:39They are saying that they have removed him.
15:41The Secretary General is laundering money.
15:43They are saying that
15:45under animal instinct,
15:47Fawad Chaudhry reacts.
15:49I mean,
15:51it seems that the party is in a disarray.
15:53There are more than one group.
15:55Ameen Gandapur is the Chief Minister.
15:57Khan sir has made him his arch rival.
15:59He is the party president.
16:01Everyone knows about his group.
16:03You are also a part of this group.
16:05Everything is going on.
16:07In these circumstances,
16:09how will you move ahead?
16:11Your party is not united.
16:13How will you unite the rest of the alliance?
16:15There are problems.
16:17In spite of these problems,
16:19if the public opinion is not shaken by 1%,
16:21and if you take the PICA Act
16:23and its actions,
16:25for example,
16:27in the whole of Punjab,
16:29in one day,
16:31144 people are affected
16:33and 5 people are not united.
16:35This proves
16:37that the public mood
16:39is not changing.
16:41I go to the airport.
16:43There is support in the public
16:45There are two different things.
16:47I think this is the implication.
16:49If there was a way to go to court,
16:51the court would have gone.
16:53Unfortunately, after the 26th amendment,
16:55it is not my confidence
16:57in the courts.
16:59If the election commission
17:01would have gone,
17:03the PPP Governor of Punjab himself
17:05is saying that the entire assembly
17:07is of Form 47.
17:09Although it is said that
17:11in the next 2-4 years,
17:13there will be no elections.
17:15Maybe they are giving incentives
17:17that everyone is saying
17:19what we have to do in the election.
17:21But this is actually
17:23the fight of the Pakistan regime.
17:25I would like to ask you
17:27that running agitations
17:29is a very organized work.
17:31Your party is not organized.
17:33You have put all the blame
17:35on the people.
17:37In every movement,
17:39there are points of confusion
17:41and there is no way
17:43to find a solution.
17:45This is my prediction.
17:47These opposition parties
17:49will get together.
17:51Because no one has
17:53a way to go.
17:55Can we fight against the Peacock?
17:57Do we have a way?
17:59Will the Constitutional Bench
18:01give us justice?
18:03Let's take Aqeel Malik.
18:05Mr. Aqeel,
18:07you heard what Mr. Maulana said.
18:09He said,
18:11you can make a law
18:13when you don't have a way.
18:15How will you implement
18:17the Constitution?
18:19There is a lot of truth in it.
18:21It seems that you have
18:23fitted every room.
18:25You have also put pressure
18:27on the media
18:29that it is becoming impossible
18:31to think and speak in this country.
18:33But if you don't have a way
18:35and you are missing
18:37a way,
18:39how will you
18:41implement the Constitution?
19:07He has been in power
19:09for the past 12 years.
19:11In his last tenure,
19:13Mr. Taimur Jagda was in the Cabinet.
19:15He is my brother.
19:17He will feel bad
19:19that he is sitting
19:21on the higher echelon
19:23of democracy.
19:25He has crossed the river of fire
19:27and fought.
19:29He has not stolen a mandate.
19:31He is in power.
19:33He is accusing us
19:35of stealing a mandate.
19:37Taimur Jagda's mandate has been stolen.
19:39Leave the rest.
19:41I am saying the same thing.
19:43One year is about to be completed.
19:45My brother Faisal Baba
19:47is also sitting here.
19:49The work that has been done
19:51in Punjab and Wafaaq
19:53will take one year.
19:55But Faisal Baba also says
19:57that your government
19:59has made a fashion.
20:01You are involved in everything.
20:03You are involved in Pekha.
20:05You are involved in Judiciary.
20:07You are doing things
20:09and you put it on the establishment.
20:11You don't own up.
20:13Either you tell me
20:15or you own up
20:17and tell me two things.
20:19You say that the decision
20:21that Pekha made
20:23Akhil, I will ask you two
20:25specific questions.
20:27I will ask you two specific questions.
20:29The laws that Pekha has made.
20:31Are these 100%
20:33made by your government's
20:35wish and will?
20:37Was it their intellectual
20:39invention? Number one.
20:41The first question is this.
20:43Secondly, the changes in Judiciary
20:45and all the transfers,
20:47was it purely your wish
20:49and faith?
20:51Or were you told
20:53about these two things
20:55or did you get advice
20:57from the establishment?
20:59I will give you a clear cut
21:01and in so many words
21:03I will tell you.
21:05When you talk about Pekha,
21:07I can tell you that
21:09this was going on for 2.5-3 years.
21:11Everything was going on.
21:13This is not an overnight thing.
21:15I have a specific question.
21:17Is this a civilian child
21:19or a hybrid child?
21:21Tell me this much.
21:23Is this a democratic move
21:25or a quasi-democratic move?
21:27No, no, this is a democratic move.
21:29Of course, we all want to curb
21:31fake information, disinformation.
21:33You will not say tomorrow.
21:35Like Khan said, you will not say
21:37that this was not ours, it was theirs.
21:39This happened first.
21:41Now let's talk about Judiciary.
21:43We don't need to say anything.
21:45We say that it can get better.
21:47This is why we keep on inviting
21:49your joint task force.
21:51Secondly,
21:53Judicial, everything that happened,
21:55everything that you controlled,
21:57this is your purely civilian democratic
21:59control of Judiciary.
22:03Yes, absolutely.
22:05I can tell you clearly that
22:07the votes that were required
22:09were watered down.
22:11The bench concept
22:13was a new concept.
22:15The brainchild was yours.
22:17This was a civilian brainchild.
22:19Totally.
22:21Yes, absolutely.
22:23Okay, Mr. Faisal.
22:25Aqeel, I will come back to you.
22:27Now tell me, what did you get
22:29from the ownership publicly?
22:31I appreciate it.
22:33That is why I requested you
22:35to tell Aqeel that
22:37we will do it, but this is
22:39an internal impression.
22:41An anchor like you, or an
22:43anchor like Hamid Mir,
22:45cannot lie publicly that
22:47the judges called us and said
22:49that we don't even know,
22:51this is an internal impression.
22:53Number one. Number two is that
22:55they also had a misunderstanding
22:57that if you want to be enemies with them,
22:59you have to play to martial law.
23:01They did not take up martial law
23:03and did not take revenge.
23:05Number two. Now you are saying
23:07protests, then after Eid, Bakra Eid.
23:09Now you write today's date,
23:1117th February, 2025.
23:13No protest, no death,
23:15no D-Chalk, no trump card
23:17to play card, no protest,
23:19all this is a spice,
23:21to the extent of social media
23:23and to the extent of mainstream media,
23:25there is nothing beyond this.
23:27Look, my and Mr. Jagra's
23:29paths are separate.
23:31Have I ever called you a traitor,
23:33a thief, for Ali Muhammad Khan?
23:35No, the one who is sincere is sincere.
23:37The politics that I am doing today,
23:39I have been taught by Mr. Khan,
23:41he forgot, I remember.
23:43Everything was in the cabinet,
23:45we sat together in many meetings,
23:47but today if you ask me
23:49who is the guarantor of this government?
23:51Tariq-e-Insaaf.
23:53What did Imran Khan get in two and a half years?
23:55Zero. The people of PTI got power.
23:57The people of Islamabad, Karachi, Punjab
23:59of PTI are all sitting in KPK.
24:01They will remain in KPK.
24:03The alert that has come on Maulana
24:05today, security alert,
24:07that is a threat.
24:09No abuses have been written in it,
24:11everyone else has written it.
24:13Who did that? I asked.
24:15The police said that the police is under the CM.
24:17So the CM himself has given a statement
24:19for Maulana. I will tell you this
24:21with clarity, Maulana can do anything
24:23for his own reasons, he is a free man.
24:25But he will not
24:27run any movement for him.
24:29And because I have a very loving
24:31and respectful relationship with him,
24:33and I have never gone to him for profit.
24:35Like the rest, when I needed it at night,
24:37people came to his feet at 3 o'clock,
24:394 o'clock, 6 o'clock too.
24:41And I have maintained that friendship
24:43But if I need to go to him,
24:45then I will not return empty-handed.
24:47I can tell you this with clarity.
24:49I can tell you this with faith,
24:51because there is credibility,
24:53there are credentials that you learn and carry on.
24:55I appreciate Aqeel sir,
24:57he will have a lot of problems in the future.
24:59But he accepted because
25:01he had such a big spotlight on him
25:03that he had no choice.
25:05And I think Aqeel has a good face.
25:07There are many other people in his party,
25:09good people have come.
25:11Let me ask Aqeel a question.
25:13Aqeel, just make me understand.
25:15If 100% is the same as you are,
25:17then we have a very good friend,
25:19Mr. Farooq Naseem.
25:21He was the Minister of Law
25:23during his time.
25:25After which MQM did not open up,
25:27then it opened up.
25:29If everything is the same,
25:31then why is Mr. Mohsin Naqvi your Interior Minister?
25:33He was not from your party,
25:35neither did Mr. Rana Sinhaullah own him,
25:37nor does anyone else own him.
25:39So please make me understand.
25:41In such a 100% democratic setup,
25:43where there is no question from anyone,
25:45everything is your brainchild,
25:47Mr. Mohsin Naqvi's presence,
25:49please make me understand.
25:53What can I comment on this?
25:55I think this question is not from me,
25:57it is from the leadership of the party.
25:59Of course, you should definitely
26:01ask questions from them.
26:03Of course, I think the main
26:05from my point of view,
26:07or my perspective on this,
26:09that the matters of the Interior,
26:11because obviously,
26:13security, terrorism,
26:15the internal matters,
26:17those are all matters.
26:19Of course, you know,
26:21if he has served as a Caretaker CM
26:23at some point,
26:25he has seen all the matters.
26:27He is handling all the matters
26:29very well.
26:31You are saying
26:33that he is the most capable
26:35minister in your cabinet,
26:37Mr. Mohsin Naqvi.
26:39No, I am not saying this.
26:41Everyone has their own
26:43forte in their work.
26:45So I think his forte,
26:47I think,
26:49I should not argue more on that.
26:51Ask the rest.
26:53Mr. Aurangzeb too.
26:55Let's take a break.
26:57After the break, there are more questions.
26:59Let's take a little break.
27:05Welcome back.
27:35Mr. Taimur, do you agree?
27:45No, look,
27:47let me say three things.
27:49Number one,
27:51if we call a spade a spade,
27:53PMLN and
27:55Sharif Family Establishment
27:57are using it.
27:59Using it,
28:01which is bad,
28:03Aqeel Malik has owned it.
28:05Nawaz Sharif
28:07has said it.
28:09Owning anything.
28:11Nawaz Sharif
28:13publicly said it last time.
28:15He is the leader of the party.
28:17Imran Khan's statements
28:19are heard every day.
28:21Where is Nawaz Sharif?
28:23He must be in Jati Umrah.
28:25Has he said a single thing?
28:27He is owning it.
28:29Because it is a sweet deal.
28:31I don't think the next decision
28:33will be on development.
28:35Look at the history.
28:37Ayub Khan had a decade of development.
28:39In a year, the regime was over.
28:41The party was over.
28:43Zia ul Haq's 10 year
28:45economic growth
28:47was unparalleled
28:49with Ayub Khan.
28:51When the elections were held,
28:53who won? Benazir Bhutto.
28:55Despite making the IJI,
28:57Musharraf
28:59in the 2007-08 elections,
29:01what was the result?
29:03Again,
29:05Musharraf's economic
29:07and development performance
29:09cannot be disagreed with.
29:11What was the state of PML Kaif in 2008?
29:13What does history tell us?
29:15Faisal, do you agree?
29:17Because Army Chief
29:19has put his weight on it.
29:21When he was asked
29:23to send his letter,
29:25he said,
29:27Pakistan is doing well.
29:29Pakistan is progressing.
29:31Obviously, the government
29:33and the establishment
29:35are in this phase.
29:37First of all,
29:39we don't see any counter-Bihani.
29:41There is no counter-Bihani.
29:43Bihani is the champion.
29:45We can make a narrative,
29:47but we can't counter it.
29:49When our regime was in power,
29:51there was an army
29:53under it.
29:55My three or four things
29:57are very relevant and important.
29:59Mr. Gandapur is publicly saying
30:01that he has spent 75 crores.
30:03He has spent 75 crores
30:05on Jalsa Jaloos.
30:07And he says that he has sold land.
30:09How many times has he sold land?
30:11It is an acid-beyond-means case.
30:13The government has come down
30:15to save him.
30:17There is a market for corruption.
30:19My brother will not speak in front of me.
30:21I respect him a lot.
30:23I am speaking wrongly.
30:25He is speaking wrongly.
30:27Mr. Imran Khan is speaking wrongly.
30:29Ms. Aleema's chats are telling
30:31that there is a market for corruption.
30:3375 crores on acid-beyond-means.
30:35How long is this case?
30:37It is a three-day case.
30:39He says that he has taken a loan.
30:41Ask the people who took the loan
30:43where he got 75 crores from.
30:45Mr. Imran Khan,
30:47has the PTI Parliamentary Committee
30:49given any endorsement
30:51that he owns the letter?
30:55The whole party is disconnected
30:57from Mr. Imran Khan.
30:59The party is its own.
31:01Whether he is in jail or not,
31:03it will continue.
31:05You said in your introduction
31:07that there is a person from Sindh
31:09who has said that the problem
31:11of dacoits should be solved by the army.
31:13In Punjab, there is a no-go area
31:15for dacoits.
31:17There is a no-go area in Punjab
31:19for dacoits.
31:21The army is everywhere.
31:23Democratic people are asking for the army.
31:25You are telling them to be killed
31:27or to be bombed.
31:29You run one ticker,
31:31and that's it.
31:33Some politicians did this.
31:35Some of his children did this.
31:37You need to understand that
31:39when something is going well,
31:41you should not be ashamed of giving credit to that person.
31:43In the olden days,
31:45the army used to bring loans.
31:47Even today,
31:49when something is going well,
31:51a team member,
31:53a player,
31:55the chief should appreciate it.
31:57He should ask for it.
31:59He should say it.
32:01He should do it at the border.
32:03Then you say that you should
32:05take credit for their statements.
32:07There was a train from Patli to Pakistan.
32:09It came to Patli.
32:11It didn't take speed.
32:13It didn't run like a bullet.
32:15It is their credit.
32:17It is irrelevant to me.
32:19It is irrelevant to the people
32:21who are working hard in Pakistan.
32:23Maulana is right.
32:25They are not doing anything.
32:27Maulana is saying something else.
32:29The government is making up stories
32:31that we don't even know
32:33what the bill is.
32:35We are sent to do it.
32:37I remembered something
32:39when you were doing a great job.
32:41You had a great chief minister
32:43named Usman Buzdar.
32:45I don't know where he is.
32:47He doesn't come to any Jalsa.
32:49Maybe he will come again
32:51if you form a government.
32:53I heard that he has some mutual friends
32:55who are saying
32:57that they are listening to you
32:59and are preparing to become
33:01a sultan's witness.
33:03If they become a sultan's witness,
33:05they will hit Khansab's family.
33:07How will they hit Khansab?
33:09Have you heard anything about this?
33:11No, I haven't heard anything.
33:13We haven't met him anywhere.
33:15We have tried to ask him.
33:17No one knows where he is.
33:19I haven't heard anything about Usman Buzdar.
33:21My honest reaction is that
33:23both Imran Khan's cases
33:25have been delayed
33:27for 10 days.
33:29Why?
33:31There is no reason.
33:33Last time,
33:35Imran Khan's meetings were closed.
33:37Yesterday, when he met his family,
33:39it was a litmus test.
33:41In such a situation,
33:43even a blind man can say
33:45that the system of justice
33:47is not giving justice.
33:49It doesn't matter.
33:51In such a situation,
33:53whatever decision the court gives,
33:55like Imran Khan's three decisions
33:57were passed.
33:59So you are saying that
34:01whatever decision will be made
34:03will be on the streets.
34:05Yes, whatever decision will be made
34:07will be on the streets.
34:09I remember your speeches.
34:11Usman Buzdar was robbed.
34:13His brothers did this and that.
34:15We have never heard
34:17that you opened an inquiry
34:19or prepared a prosecution
34:21against him.
34:23Was it all a lie
34:25that you were waiting
34:27for a deal?
34:29Usman Buzdar
34:31was a pawn.
34:33The real gang
34:35was of Bushra Bibi
34:37and Farah Gogi.
34:39Farah Gogi is a fugitive.
34:41He was not a pawn.
34:43He was the Chief Minister of Punjab.
34:45He was not an ordinary man.
34:47He was not a Deputy Secretary.
34:49He used him.
34:51He took money from all the
34:53postings and transfers.
34:55Faisal Wadaw will tell you
34:57that he is a fugitive from the country.
34:59You have no intention
35:01to open an inquiry
35:03against him?
35:05No, absolutely not.
35:07The law-abiding institutions
35:09are investigating him.
35:11I think there is already
35:13an ongoing investigation.
35:15They are investigating him.
35:17If anyone wants to become
35:19a Sultani or an approver...
35:21I don't understand.
35:23In Punjabi, we say,
35:25don't understand.
35:27I will say one thing.
35:29I don't think
35:31the government should own up.
35:33It is not like that.
35:35They have praised the government.
35:37Be it the Punjab government
35:39or the central government
35:41or the federation.
35:43You must have seen
35:45in the media
35:47that Mariam Sahiba is doing
35:49a very good job.
35:51She is providing relief to the people
35:53and introducing new projects.
35:55Similarly, because of
35:57Mr. Shabaz's hard work...
35:59She will only make big decisions
36:01on the basis of development.
36:03She will not discuss the entire
36:05democracy narrative.
36:07This is irrelevant to you.
36:09I think it is too early
36:11to state anything right now.
36:13Because obviously,
36:15you know that it has been four years.
36:17After those four years,
36:19when we, God willing,
36:21on the basis of our development,
36:23our infrastructure,
36:25our projects...
36:27Okay.
36:29Your point is taken.
36:31I am down to my last minute.
36:33If there is a protest,
36:35listen to me.
36:37Listen to my question.
36:39Answer me in 30 seconds.
36:41I will insist.
36:43If there is a protest,
36:45will it happen again on 25th November?
36:47It will not happen.
36:49It will not happen.
36:51It will not happen.
36:53It will happen.
36:55Now let's ask the third person.
36:57He says it will not happen.
36:59Taimoor says it will happen.
37:01Aqeel says if it happens,
37:03will it happen again on 25th or 26th November?
37:05You can only ask and tell.
37:07I think we should forget about the protest.
37:09I don't see a protest happening.
37:11The people on whose shoulders
37:13they want to hold the gun
37:15of the protest,
37:17they don't have those shoulders.
37:19They don't have street power.
37:21They want to use Maulana's street power.
37:23They want to use Marang Baloch's street power.
37:25It should be out in the open
37:27for everybody to see
37:29that there is no street power.
37:31Thank you very much.
37:33We have run out of time.
37:35We will take a break.
37:37We will be back after the break.
37:41Welcome back to the show.
37:43This is a million dollar question
37:45whether there will be a protest or not.
37:47If there is a protest,
37:49on what scale?
37:51Let's talk about Marang Baloch.
37:53I think Balochistan is a very serious issue.
37:55Let me share something with you.
37:57A former chief minister,
37:59I will not mention his name,
38:01I had invited him for a program.
38:03He said he can't come tomorrow.
38:05I said it's okay.
38:07He said I have to go to Balochistan.
38:09I have a meeting with Marang Baloch.
38:11I said you are so old.
38:13Marang is a young woman.
38:15He said you have no idea
38:17how much Balochistan's politics
38:19has changed.
38:21If we talk about Marang,
38:23thousands of people go there.
38:25We are becoming irrelevant.
38:27It's a big political family.
38:29It's a big political party.
38:31I have told you this story
38:33because Balochistan is a very
38:35very critical issue.
38:37Both the government
38:39and the establishment
38:41will have to make decisions
38:43in a larger picture.
38:45Not on domestic politics.
38:47Allah Hafiz.