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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, you keep the news, I am Mohammad Malik, first of all, let's talk about
00:18the negotiations.
00:19It seems that the negotiations are now just a formal action.
00:23The PTI chairman, Gaur Khan, has clearly said that if we are not given the assurance that
00:33the government is ready to make a commission, then we will not sit in the fourth sitting.
00:38The government has started reacting.
00:39Ahsan Iqbal said that it cannot be done by putting a gun on the gun barrel.
00:44Negotiations cannot be held by putting a gun barrel on the gun barrel.
00:48The PTI chairman said that the dialogue is a dialogue, not a deadlock or a threat.
00:53This is very clear.
00:54It is in the sub-committee.
00:55It is clear that we will answer first in the next sitting.
00:58We have made a point-to-point response.
01:00After that, we will talk.
01:01So, it seems that there is no evidence at all.
01:04Now, two questions arise.
01:06What is the B plan of the PTI?
01:08You know that Imran Khan had already given the deadline for the 31st of January.
01:13If the total process of the 31st of January is not completed, then according to his civil
01:19disobedience, there will be other things to be stopped.
01:22There was an outer deadline.
01:24Then this deadline was made.
01:25In the last meeting, when the PTI said that there are seven days, then they end on Friday
01:30night, but if they take out a day off, then Friday maximum, then that deadline will also
01:35end.
01:36So, now what will be the options left with the PTI?
01:39Will the PTI reheat the roads after the 31st of January?
01:42Or will there be only noise in the assembly?
01:44There will be press conferences.
01:46There will be fights in the talk shows.
01:48And this thing will continue to run like this.
01:50We will talk about this too.
01:51But a very serious fight is also going on in the Supreme Court.
01:55Yesterday, we also told you in great detail that Mansoor Ali Shah's bench was listening
02:00to a case.
02:01There were some points in it that in addition to the rest of the merits of the case, this
02:06was also a matter of legal and constitutional interpretation.
02:09The ongoing case was taken back and they put an insult to justice on it.
02:16On the digital registrar.
02:18In fact, they have also been suspended today.
02:20They have become OSD.
02:21And they said that how can the ongoing case be taken back from a bench?
02:25The court hearing was held today.
02:27And in the meantime, the Islamabad High Court Bar Association, Lahore High Court Bar Association,
02:33Karachi Lahore High Court Bar Association, have also come in support of Mansoor Ali Shah
02:37and the bench.
02:38They said that if the cases are returned, then what will happen?
02:42Today, there was an exchange of very harsh words.
02:46I will share that with you now.
02:48But I want you to listen to the court hearing tomorrow so that you can understand in the
02:53same context.
02:54Because we were told that when the 26th amendment was passed, we have done it in such a way
02:59that the group games of the judges should end.
03:02But it seems exactly the same.
03:04As there were group games in the time of Umar Iqbal Zia, there were group games in the
03:09time of Saqib Nisar Khan.
03:11Now the group games are of the same intensity.
03:13And this very bench wrote a letter yesterday, a very harsh worded letter to the Chief Justice
03:18as well.
03:19And they said very serious things in it.
03:21And they said that what you are doing, you cannot do it.
03:25And this practice of taking the case back from the bench, this is a total attack on the
03:31independence of the media.
03:34And today night, now this hearing was held again by this bench.
03:38At night, it was also reported that this case has now been delisted.
03:42So this bench does not have this case tomorrow.
03:45It is such a serious thing.
03:46First listen to what happened yesterday so that I can give you today's update.
03:52I want to read the report that was exchanged today.
03:55The scene was that there was a tax related matter on which a bench of the Supreme Court
04:00was listening.
04:01And they said on 16th that the case should be filed in front of us on 20th.
04:05Today, when it happened on 20th, the case was not filed in front of them.
04:09Then they called the Deputy Registrar.
04:11They said, how is it possible that our orders should not be filed in front of the General?
04:14So the Deputy Registrar said that because there was a legal matter in it, there was an
04:18investigation.
04:19So our research officer said that this case should not be filed there.
04:23So the judges were shocked.
04:24He said that a research officer will tell us what will happen.
04:27But by listening to a few sentences, you will get an idea of ​​what this temperament
04:30was.
04:31Justice Mansoor Ali Shah said that call the Additional Registrar immediately.
04:35If you find out, then what will not happen?
04:37And he said that the Judges Committee will also ask for details as to what happened that
04:40day.
04:41But they will tell you later why the cause list was changed.
04:43The Deputy Registrar came to court.
04:44He said that the condition of the Additional Registrar is not good.
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28:00We will answer them in the same way they have answered us in the Charter of Demand.
28:06After that, if they have a question or if they have a Charter of Demand and we have an answer,
28:12then they will sit down and see what can be done and what cannot be done.
28:18This is how negotiations are conducted.
28:20Negotiations do not have an order.
28:23This is not the way that I hold a piece of paper in your hand and give you an order.
28:27If they want to do it, then it is fine, otherwise they can leave.
28:31This is not the way of negotiations.
28:35They should engage us and have a dialogue with us.
28:41In politics and democracy, there should be a political and democratic government.
28:49That is fine by you, but Mr. Rana, the chairman...
28:52This is done through dialogue, not through deadlock.
28:56But today, Chairman Gauhar has said that we have a special order.
29:00If they agree to the commission, then they should sit down with us.
29:03Otherwise, there will not be a fourth session.
29:06And at least they have said that you have been given a margin,
29:09at least we will give a signal that yes, we will make it and then we will talk about the details.
29:13They have given a categorical position.
29:15That is why I was asking you.
29:18If you give them a signal, then they can have a fourth session with us.
29:23And then they can sit down and talk to us.
29:26All the signals are not working.
29:29No, if the signal of the eyes can work, then I will give the signal of the eyes.
29:39They can have a fourth session with us.
29:42Because there was a lot of suspense when we met in Peshawar.
29:47We met with Gauhar's Army Chief.
29:50Everyone was very enthusiastic.
29:53Then there was a report from there that they heard the conversation and said,
29:57no, you should talk to the politician.
30:00So, are the expectations broken because of that too, that the result was not achieved from there?
30:04I spoke to a senior leader of PTI.
30:07I said, you have been given a chill pill program from there.
30:11He said, no, no, it is not like that.
30:14The responsibilities of the meeting were given to him.
30:19So, is it true that someone was given the responsibility to talk to PTI?
30:24That it was a one-time meeting and it was over.
30:27No, look, we have to talk based on our information and assessment.
30:36No one knows the rest.
30:41Our information, whether it is 9th May or later,
30:51they want to talk to the establishment.
30:55But they have only one message from that side,
30:59that the political thing should be done by political parties and people sitting together.
31:05We have no objection.
31:07In fact, the DGISPR also said that we are very happy if you sit down and resolve your political issues.
31:13But they have their own opinion that we do not have a mandate for political dialogue.
31:22So, we have this thing.
31:25If there is something separate from this, then you can ask them about what they say.
31:32But in our opinion, there is no backdoor dialogue.
31:37The front door that is happening with us is happening.
31:40And they should do it seriously.
31:43And take our answer and then sit with us and discuss it.
31:49So, Mr. Rana, tell me, if there is such a straightforward stance,
31:54there is a 4-4.5 hour meeting first.
31:57The Chief Minister of KPK is there.
31:59All the parties and people related to KPK are there.
32:03If it was so black and white, then why did the Army Chief meet Gauhar separately?
32:08He knew that a message would be sent.
32:11So, should this meeting have been held?
32:16See, as per our information, the Chief Minister of KPK was also there.
32:23Yes, he was there.
32:24So, security-related talks have taken place.
32:27And when he said this, he said this according to our information,
32:33that you should sit and talk to each other about political issues.
32:38Mr. Rana, that meeting took place 4 hours ago.
32:41They would also know that if Gauhar Khan wants to meet me,
32:45then it cannot be a security-related thing.
32:47It was a 4-hour meeting.
32:50So, if they meet separately, they will obviously talk about Gauhar Khan or the party.
32:54I am asking because was this an ill-advised move?
32:58Should the Army Chief have avoided this?
33:04No, see, if a participant says that he wants to talk separately in a meeting,
33:10then it is not appropriate for a person to say that he does not want to listen to you.
33:19So, I think that if he has requested and listened to you,
33:23and after listening to you, he has advised you to talk about security-related things with us,
33:29and if you want to talk about political issues, then you can talk about political parties.
33:32So, you are saying that he could not have said no morally?
33:35I think there is no harm in that.
33:36He could not have said no morally?
33:39See, according to what we know, there is no backdoor diplomacy.
34:00This is our understanding.
34:04The case of Adil Bazaie, and the Supreme Court's decision on it,
34:11a lot of people think that it could be very dangerous,
34:15because they said that the affidavit that was submitted on 16th February,
34:19by the Prime Minister, the party president of the Election Commission,
34:24found to be neither genuine nor valid.
34:28And then they said that the case that Bazaie has filed in the Quetta Civil Court,
34:33they should also decide on its authenticity.
34:36Don't you think that this case could be very dangerous?
34:39If it is decided yesterday that it was invalid, and it was not genuine,
34:44then it will go to the seat of the Prime Minister on 16th February.
34:49Are you not taking it lightly?
34:51No.
34:52If I submit an affidavit to you,
34:59and if I make a mistake on it,
35:05then what is your fault in that?
35:09This person has made a genuine statement,
35:12and he himself came and presented it,
35:15and announced that he will be a part of the party,
35:18and that affidavit was submitted to the Election Commission.
35:22If that affidavit was so genuine,
35:25that we have made a fake statement,
35:37then you tell me,
35:39didn't he think for 9 months that my statement has been made fake?
35:45When the case was going on in the Supreme Court,
35:48and the Supreme Court called everyone,
35:51the people who were included in the Sunni Atheism,
35:56and the people who were considered free,
35:59and were declared members of the PTI,
36:02did he sleep at that time?
36:04Why didn't he go to the Supreme Court at that time,
36:07and say that I am a member of the Sunni Atheism Council,
36:11or that I am a member of the PTI?
36:15He has included me in the PMLN by making a mistake.
36:22Mr. Rana, he has made a mistake,
36:25that I had submitted my statement,
36:28and I didn't know that he had submitted his statement,
36:31but I will read you two things from the Supreme Court in the decision.
36:34He has said that we have seen the official website of the National Assembly,
36:38and the record from there,
36:40till 27th September 2024,
36:42this has been shown as an independent member,
36:45in the National Assembly record.
36:48Then he says that the inquiry report was prepared on 5th November,
36:52by the SHOPS Civil Alliance Quetta,
36:54who said that the affidavit is fake and fabricated.
36:58Syed Ahmed Uth Commissioner,
37:00who notified that he has been notarized,
37:03has stated that he has not done this test,
37:07and his license was not working at that time.
37:10Today, in an interview,
37:12Mr. Bazaie has also claimed that the SHO,
37:15who had given the report that the affidavit is fake,
37:18has been fired from his job in another case,
37:21because he was against the government.
37:24My question to you is that,
37:26these things have been written by the Supreme Court,
37:29and the Supreme Court has also written,
37:32however, this finding of this court,
37:35this genuineness of validity of the concerned affidavit dated 16th,
37:39subject to determination by the Civil Court,
37:42that when the Civil Court makes a decision,
37:44then it will base it on that.
37:46If the Supreme Court fabricates a paper,
37:51then the matter is over.
37:53Can the Civil Court give a verdict on this?
37:55The matter is over.
37:57The matter is over.
38:00When the Supreme Court has not fabricated this,
38:05and has said that the Civil Court will make a decision on this,
38:10then how will this be proven dangerous?
38:13No, no, I am asking you, you are a lawyer,
38:16you have a long history.
38:17First the High Court will make a decision,
38:18then the Supreme Court will make a decision.
38:20He says, he has said earlier,
38:22the consent affidavit dated 16th February 2024,
38:25attributed to the applicant,
38:27is found to be neither genuine nor valid.
38:30After making this decision,
38:32he has removed his seat.
38:34No, no, it is found to be.
38:36No, no, he has not made the decision.
38:38No, no, found by the court, no.
38:40He has said that it seems.
38:42No, no, the court has determined it.
38:44Now I am just asking,
38:46that in the last paragraph he says that he will do it.
38:48No, no, no, no determination.
38:50No determination.
38:52When the matter is submitted in the Civil Court,
38:54the Civil Court has power to decide
38:56whether that is genuine or ingenuine.
38:58And let me tell you,
39:00this man has his own signature,
39:02his own thumbprint is on it.
39:04He has given his own statement.
39:06If he had not given his statement,
39:08then what was the need for him
39:10to sit at home for 7-8 months.
39:12He would have come and said at that time.
39:14So you are saying that
39:16it is not a matter of concern.
39:18No, no, it is not such a thing.
39:20So this is not a matter of concern.
39:22This is not a matter of concern.
39:24So the oath commissioner
39:26has also given a statement against you.
39:28The inspector has been fired from his job.
39:30The oath commissioner must have given
39:32a wrong statement.
39:34The oath commissioner must have
39:36given a wrong statement.
39:38The reason for that is that
39:40the oath commissioner
39:42has his own thumbprint
39:44and his signature is on it.
39:46The forensic will tell
39:48whether his signature is there or not.
39:50If he has signed and
39:52he has done a fraud
39:54and he has said that
39:56his signature is not there,
39:58then he has done something wrong.
40:00Yes, it is time for a short break.
40:06Welcome back to the program.
40:08This war that you have started
40:10in the Supreme Court,
40:12when you brought back
40:14Yaya Fareedi,
40:16you said that it will be very good.
40:18These old group fights will end.
40:20The fight that is going on
40:22between the judges of the
40:24Mansoor Ali Shah's bench
40:26and they have filed a case
40:28and the case has been taken back.
40:30This has never happened before.
40:32They have taken back the
40:34ongoing case.
40:36They have put yesterday's date
40:38and it has been delisted.
40:40Islamabad High Court Bar,
40:42Karachi High Court Bar,
40:44Lahore High Court Bar Associations
40:46have also put their weight behind them.
40:48All three judges have said
40:50to the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court
40:52that what you are doing is
40:54a complete denial of justice.
40:56Today, they said in a comment
40:58that if a decision can be made
41:00against the government,
41:02then the bench will be broken
41:04and the case will be taken back.
41:06The same old days have come
41:08like the days of Omar Tayyab
41:10and Saqib Nisar,
41:12when there were two camps of judges.
41:14This is the same thing
41:16Look, why are they so interested
41:18in deciding this case?
41:20How do they know that
41:22a decision can be made against the government?
41:24Look,
41:26these kinds of adventures
41:28should not happen.
41:30The case related to justice
41:32has no solution.
41:34If it is stretched
41:36further,
41:38then there will be no good results.
41:40The value of justice,
41:42the respect for justice,
41:44if there is a solution,
41:46then the Chief Justice
41:48should sit with them
41:50and solve this case
41:52instead of making
41:54the media a joke.
41:56Who has to listen?
41:58Who has not to listen?
42:00It can be withdrawn or not.
42:02If there is a decision
42:04of a bench
42:06and the Chief Justice
42:08has to act in accordance
42:10with the law and constitution,
42:12then why can't he
42:14sit with them?
42:16He can.
42:18He has the administrative authority.
42:20But if a respected judge
42:22has an objection,
42:24then he should sit with them
42:26and resolve this case.
42:28So, you and I both know
42:30that Mansoor Ali Shah
42:32is a senior judge.
42:34This is obvious.
42:36So, Mansoor Ali Shah
42:38is still angry
42:40that the Chief Justice
42:42has not acted in accordance
42:44with the law and constitution.
42:46The point you have made
42:48is that
42:50he is angry
42:52and because of that
42:54he has not
42:56acted in accordance
42:58with the law and constitution.
43:00I think that
43:02Mansoor Ali Shah
43:04is a respected
43:06judge
43:08and he should not
43:10listen to the cases
43:12against the government.
43:18Thank you very much
43:20for giving us time.
43:22We are grateful to you for that.
43:24We have heard that the split
43:26between the judges is very serious.
43:28As Mr. Rana said,
43:30they may be angry
43:32but there are
43:34legal issues as well.
43:36I think that
43:38the government should not
43:40take this case lightly
43:42because the findings
43:44in this case
43:46are very serious.
43:48If this legal battle
43:50is taken lightly,
43:52then in the coming days
43:54there may be
43:56serious problems
43:58for Mr. Rana.
44:00We will see.
44:02May Allah protect you.